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Jahnu
2017-10-29 10:23:30 UTC
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According to the Vedic Version, countless universes, as numerous as
mustard seeds in a sack, are generated from the breathing of
Maha-vishnu. It is said that universes emanate from Maha-vishnu's skin
pores in seed form as He exhales, then expand and contract again as
they are sucked back into God when He inhales.

Thus universes are created and and destroyed within one breath of God.
The life-time of the universe, which is one breath of God, has been
calculated to last 311 trillion solar years.

So in my mind this is where the Big Bang theory comes from. The
singularity, the point from which our universe, according to the Big
Bang theory, was generated, is actually one of the skinpores of God.
I guess, that's where Muslims get the idea that God is great. Where as
in Islam it is described that God is great, in the Vedic Version it is
described how God is great.

That's the first thing to learn about God - how great He is. But
that's only a preliminary understanding of God. Higher than worshiping
God in awe and reverence as the great one, is to relate to Him as a
friend or a child or even one's lover. This becomes possible when, by
the mercy of the spiritual master, one is allowed entrance into
Krishna's personal life in Vrindavan.

The soul can have 5 basic relationships with Krishna -

1. Shanta rasa is a neutral relationship with God. God is regarded as
the original creator and cause of all causes, and the maintainer of
everything.

2. Dasya rasa means that you see God as your Lord and master. You are
willing to serve Him with your life and soul. Krishna is the most
perfect and munificent lord one can have.

3. Sakhya rasa is the stage, where you see Krishna as your best and
most intimate friend. Here the soul forgets that Krishna is God. He
only regards Krishna as his best and most beloved friend.

4. Vatsalya rasa is the parental relationship. Here the soul is
Krishna's father or mother. You are God's parent. Krishna is your
little kid.

5. In Madhurya rasa the soul only sees Krishna as her most intimate
lover. You are God's wife or girlfriend.

In fact, all the relationships we enjoy in the material world to
partner, children, family, friends, and society are nothing but
distorted imitations of the soul's original relationship with God.

Krishna says:

By human calculation, a thousand ages taken together form the duration
of Brahma's one day (4,32 billion years). And such also is the
duration of his night. (Bg. 8.17)

At the beginning of Brahma's day, all living entities become manifest
from the unmanifest state, and thereafter, when the night falls, they
are merged into the unmanifest again. (Bg. 8.18)

Again and again, when Brahma's day arrives, all living entities come
into being, and with the arrival of Brahma's night they are helplessly
annihilated. (Bg. 8.19)

Yet there is another unmanifest nature, which is eternal and is
transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is
supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is
annihilated, that part remains as it is. (Bg. 8.20)

That which the Vedantists describe as unmanifest and infallible, that
which is known as the supreme destination, that place from which,
having attained it, one never returns-that is My supreme abode. (Bg.
8.21)
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Jeanne Douglas
2017-10-29 23:48:01 UTC
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According to the Vedic Version,
Why are you proselytizing when you know it's forbidden here?
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2017-10-30 19:34:33 UTC
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According to the Vedic Version,
Why are you proselytizing when you know it's forbidden here?
JD, it does not realize just how stupid it is. Just because some guy
is an ancient asylum wrote something that had the words god or vedic
or whatever only means that janet is truly insane
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2017-10-30 22:04:44 UTC
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According to the Vedic Version,
Why are you proselytizing when you know it's forbidden here?
Who forbids it. And why is it p-wording?

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Cloud Hobbit
2017-10-30 00:44:11 UTC
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Big Bang?

Do have one, won't you?

Just make it a place where you won't be a troll.
Andrew
2017-10-30 05:02:30 UTC
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Big Bang?
What appears to have happened is a Creation
rather than a BB, simply because there is no
mechanism that would allow the Universe to
begin in an arbitrary state and then evolve into
the highly ordered state that there is today.

On account of this orderliness, we can precisely
predict the path of celestial bodies and eclipses
thousands of years into the future.

Which would not be possible if the origin of
the Universe were the result of an explosion.
Mitchell Holman
2017-10-30 12:44:05 UTC
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Big Bang?
What appears to have happened is a Creation
rather than a BB, simply because there is no
mechanism that would allow the Universe to
begin in an arbitrary state and then evolve into
the highly ordered state that there is today.
You need to read more. The existencs of
other universes is become more plain. How does
your "creator" account for that?


https://futurism.com/new-evidence-about-cold-spot-in-space-could-support-
case-for-a-multiverse/


https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/10/12/the-multiverse-is-
inevitable-and-were-living-in-it/#4e0db6fd16c9
Post by Andrew
On account of this orderliness, we can precisely
predict the path of celestial bodies and eclipses
thousands of years into the future.
Wrong. The universe is full of barely
restrained chaos. Did you know the current
position of planets is temporary, that they
move around and even change orbits?

https://www.space.com/4755-trading-cosmic-places-neptune-uranus-swapped-
spots.html
Smiler
2017-10-30 19:26:25 UTC
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Big Bang?
What appears to have happened is a Creation rather than a BB,
Merely your unevidenced belief.
simply
because there is no mechanism that would allow the Universe to begin in
an arbitrary state and then evolve into the highly ordered state that
there is today.
Does the surface of the moon look 'highly ordered' to you?
On account of this orderliness, we can precisely predict the path of
celestial bodies and eclipses thousands of years into the future.
Except meteorites, comets and asteroids.
Which would not be possible if the origin of the Universe were the
result of an explosion.
It wasn't an explosion. It was an expansion.
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b***@m.nu
2017-10-30 22:36:50 UTC
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Big Bang?
What appears to have happened is a Creation rather than a BB,
Merely your unevidenced belief.
simply
because there is no mechanism that would allow the Universe to begin in
an arbitrary state and then evolve into the highly ordered state that
there is today.
Does the surface of the moon look 'highly ordered' to you?
I wonder if andrew ever heard of entropy..... I guess he does not
understand that the universe has become less ordered every second
since the second after there was matter in the universe, Wow he is
really an idiot.
Post by Smiler
On account of this orderliness, we can precisely predict the path of
celestial bodies and eclipses thousands of years into the future.
Except meteorites, comets and asteroids.
I wonder if andrew understands that being able to predict when an
event will happen is not signs that a system is ordered. He would need
to fully understand what an ordered system is defined as and be able
to comprehend the meaning behind the definition. To be frank andrew is
too fucking stupid to understand that fairies are not real, so how can
it understand anything?
Post by Smiler
Which would not be possible if the origin of the Universe were the
result of an explosion.
andrew you do realize that you have been lied to your entire life and
now you are just making yourself look more of an ass by talking about
thing of which you have no idea at all

here ya go andrew. can you understand this?
the terms order and disorder designate the presence or absence of some
symmetry or correlation in a many-particle system. In condensed matter
physics, systems typically are ordered at low temperatures; upon
heating, they undergo one or several phase transitions into less
ordered states.

there is nothing there about eclipses, sorry. You are trying to bring
magic into the real world, You need to maybe play with more tarot
cards or read more horoscopes or something so that perhaps you can
find balance with the force and perhaps better understand your chi.
when this is achieved maybe then you will realize that your ENTIRE
FUCKING LIFE HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST WASTE OF TIME...

have a nice day
Post by Smiler
It wasn't an explosion. It was an expansion.
it doesn't understand how that could happen because magic was not
used.
Andrew
2017-11-01 07:43:27 UTC
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You need to maybe play with more tarot cards or read more
horoscopes or something so that perhaps you can find balance
with the force and perhaps better understand your chi.
Do you attribute your enlightenment to these factors?

You guys are so funny!
b***@m.nu
2017-11-01 19:43:41 UTC
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You need to maybe play with more tarot cards or read more
horoscopes or something so that perhaps you can find balance
with the force and perhaps better understand your chi.
Do you attribute your enlightenment to these factors?
You guys are so funny!
Moron, you are the one that thinks the hocus pocus is a real living
breathing thing
Jahnu
2017-10-31 02:49:41 UTC
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Merely your unevidenced belief.
It wasn't an explosion. It was an expansion.
Whatever...


"The probability that life arose by a coincidence can be likened to
the probability that a voluminous encyclopedia be the result of an
explosion in a print shop." - Biologist Edwin Conklin

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Jeanne Douglas
2017-10-31 07:51:29 UTC
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Merely your unevidenced belief.
It wasn't an explosion. It was an expansion.
Whatever...
"The probability that life arose by a coincidence can be likened to
the probability that a voluminous encyclopedia be the result of an
explosion in a print shop." - Biologist Edwin Conklin
Yet another completely moronic metaphor.
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2017-10-31 20:08:06 UTC
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Merely your unevidenced belief.
It wasn't an explosion. It was an expansion.
Whatever...
"The probability that life arose by a coincidence can be likened to
the probability that a voluminous encyclopedia be the result of an
explosion in a print shop." - Biologist Edwin Conklin
Yet another completely moronic metaphor.
Saying life arose by coincidence is equivalent to stating that water flows
downhill by coincidence.
Jahnu
2017-11-01 03:07:06 UTC
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Saying life arose by coincidence is equivalent to stating that water flows
downhill by coincidence.
hahaha :) I mean, seriously, how stupid can you get? You are obviously
not an educated person, Teddyboy.


"The probability that life arose by a coincidence can be likened to
the probability that a voluminous encyclopedia be the result of an
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2017-11-01 22:33:23 UTC
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Saying life arose by coincidence is equivalent to stating that water flows
downhill by coincidence.
hahaha :) I mean, seriously, how stupid can you get? You are obviously
not an educated person, Teddyboy.
"The probability that life arose by a coincidence can be likened to
the probability that a voluminous encyclopedia be the result of an
explosion in a print shop." - Biologist Edwin Conklin
You've been shown the evidence that this is a dishonest quote-mine so why are you repeating it?
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2017-11-02 00:19:57 UTC
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Saying life arose by coincidence is equivalent to stating that water flows
downhill by coincidence.
hahaha :) I mean, seriously, how stupid can you get? You are obviously
not an educated person, Teddyboy.
"The probability that life arose by a coincidence can be likened to
the probability that a voluminous encyclopedia be the result of an
explosion in a print shop." - Biologist Edwin Conklin
You've been shown the evidence that this is a dishonest quote-mine so why
are you repeating it?
Because Jesper has a low IQ. When you and I were young and inquisitive, we
decided to devote ourselves to the truth. Jesper, at the same stage of
growth, decided to devote himself to Hare Krishna.
Andrew
2017-11-02 08:43:45 UTC
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"The probability that life arose by a coincidence can be likened to
the probability that a voluminous encyclopedia be the result of an
explosion in a print shop." - Biologist Edwin Conklin
The probability is --> zero.
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2017-11-04 12:09:26 UTC
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"The probability that life arose by a coincidence can be likened to
the probability that a voluminous encyclopedia be the result of an
explosion in a print shop." - Biologist Edwin Conklin
The probability is --> zero.
The probability that a voluminous encyclopedia be the result of an
explosion in a print shop is infinitesimal and zero for any purpose.
But that probability isn't analogous to the probability of life
arising, which occurs as a result of natural processes, which
themselves are the result of entropy increase.
Andrew
2017-11-04 14:49:39 UTC
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"The probability that life arose by a coincidence can be likened to
the probability that a voluminous encyclopedia be the result of an
explosion in a print shop." - Biologist Edwin Conklin
The probability is --> zero.
The probability that a voluminous encyclopedia be the result of an
explosion in a print shop is infinitesimal and zero for any purpose.
Yes.
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But that probability isn't analogous to the probability of life
arising, which occurs as a result of natural processes, which
themselves are the result of entropy increase.
No.
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2017-11-04 12:07:33 UTC
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Saying life arose by coincidence is equivalent to stating that water flows
downhill by coincidence.
hahaha :) I mean, seriously, how stupid can you get? You are obviously
not an educated person, Teddyboy.
It's the same principle, Jahnu. Water flows downhill, molecules
interact, etc. The arrow of time points in the same direction as
entropy increase.
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"The probability that life arose by a coincidence can be likened to
the probability that a voluminous encyclopedia be the result of an
explosion in a print shop." - Biologist Edwin Conklin
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2017-10-31 17:06:52 UTC
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Edwin Conklin
He was president of the American Society of Naturalists in 1912 and
president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science
in 1936.

Wow janet I guess you like being made to look very stupid. Yup you are
a masochist.
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2017-10-31 20:06:02 UTC
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Edwin Conklin
He was president of the American Society of Naturalists in 1912 and
president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science
in 1936.
Wow janet I guess you like being made to look very stupid. Yup you are
a masochist.
JesperRamalamadingdong and Asteroid77SunsetStrip must have studied
science together from the same decades out of date books. They both
keep trying to disprove anything scientific with disproved informa-
tion from the first half of the 20th century. They'll never catch
up with the rest of the world.
Jahnu
2017-11-01 03:04:32 UTC
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Wow janet I guess you like being made to look very stupid. Yup you are
a masochist.
I'm glad. Who wants to be regarded as intelligent by a bunch of
anti-intellectual retards? :)

Is there any need for a Creator?

All creations require a creator. When you see a Mercedes or a
sky-scraper, you know immediately that someone created these things.
Similarly, nature is a machine that clearly required a creator and the
most brilliant and prominent scientists agree.

ID - Intelligent Design - is a direct, observable fact in nature, so
logic and reason tell us there is a creator. Logic and reason,
however, cannot tell us who the creator is. For that, revelation from
the creator Himself is required.

"From my earliest training as a scientist I was very strongly
brainwashed to believe that science cannot be consistent with any kind
of deliberate creation. That notion has had to be painfully shed. I am
quite uncomfortable in this situation, the state of mind I now find
myself in. But there is no logical way out of it. I now find myself
driven to this position by logic. There is no other way in which we
can understand the precise ordering of the chemicals of life except to
invoke the creations on a cosmic scale. . . We were hoping as
scientists that there would be a way round our conclusion, but there
isn't."

--Sir Frederick Hoyle and Chandra Wickramsinghe, There Must Be A God,
Daily Express, Aug. 14, 1981. & Hoyle On Evolution. Nature, Nov. 12,
1981, 105

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a
superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry
and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about
in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so
overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." - Fred
Hoyle, astrophysicist

"I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not
acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the
existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who
would deny the advances of science." - Wernher von Braun
"The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we
concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great
power." - Nikola Tesla

So science concludes there is a creator. The Vedic version, however,
is the only religion on the planet that tells us who and what the
creator is. Bhagavad Gita is the user-manual on how to operate the
universe issued to mankind by the creator Himself.

Krishna says:

I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything
emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My
devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts. -Bg 10.8

Srila Prabhupada explains:

A learned scholar who has studied the Vedas perfectly and has
information from authorities like Lord Chaitanya and who knows how to
apply these teachings can understand that Krsna is the origin of
everything in both the material and spiritual worlds, and because he
knows this perfectly he becomes firmly fixed in the devotional service
of the Supreme Lord.

He can never be deviated by any amount of nonsensical commentaries or
by fools. All Vedic literature agrees that Krsna is the source of
Brahma, Siva and all other demigods.

In the Atharva Veda (Gopala-tapani Upanisad 1.24) it is said:
"It was Krsna who in the beginning instructed Brahma in Vedic
knowledge and who disseminated Vedic knowledge in the past."
Then again the Narayana Upanisad (1) says:
"Then the Supreme Personality Narayana desired to create living
entities."

The Upanisad continues:

"From Narayana, Brahma is born, and from Narayana the patriarchs are
also born. From Narayana, Indra is born, from Narayana the eight Vasus
are born, from Narayana the eleven Rudras are born, from Narayana the
twelve Adityas are born."

This Narayana is an expansion of Krsna.

It is said in the same Vedas:

"The son of Devaki, Krsna, is the Supreme Personality."
(Narayana Upanisad 4)

Then it is said:

"In the beginning of the creation there was only the Supreme
Personality Narayana. There was no Brahma, no Siva, no water, no fire,
no moon, no stars in the sky, no sun." (Maha Upanisad 1)

In the Maha Upanisad it is also said that Lord Shiva was born from the
forehead of the Supreme Lord. Thus the Vedas say that it is the
Supreme Lord, the creator of Brahma and Shiva, who is to be worshiped.

In the Moksa-dharma Krsna also says:

"The patriarchs, Siva and others are created by Me, though they do not
know that they are created by Me because they are deluded by My
illusory energy."

In the Varaha Purana it is also said:

"Narayana is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and from Him Brahma
was born, from whom Siva was born."

Lord Krsna is the source of all generations, and He is called the most
efficient cause of everything.

He says, "Because everything is born of Me, I am the original source
of all. Everything is under Me; no one is above Me."

There is no supreme controller other than Krsna. One who understands
Krsna in such a way from a bona fide spiritual master, with references
from Vedic literature, engages all his energy in Krsna consciousness
and becomes a truly learned man.

In comparison to him, all others, who do not know Krsna properly, are
but fools. Only a fool would consider Krsna to be an ordinary man.
A Krsna conscious person should not be bewildered by fools; he should
avoid all unauthorized commentaries and interpretations on
Bhagavad-gita and proceed in Krsna consciousness with determination
and firmness.
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2017-11-01 19:45:54 UTC
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Wow janet I guess you like being made to look very stupid. Yup you are
a masochist.
I'm glad.
That is about as far as I far, and I am delighted you are satisfied
with your lack of intelligence.
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2017-11-02 01:39:11 UTC
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That is about as far as I far, and I am delighted you are satisfied
with your lack of intelligence.
Lack of intelligence? hahaha :) Aren't you the guy who feeds his kids
corpses? Next to you, dumbo, I'm like Einstein next to pre-schooler.


"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
-Albert Einstein

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2017-11-02 08:46:00 UTC
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"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
-Albert Einstein
A good vegetarian cook can put out fabulous, healthful and delicious
meals.
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2017-11-03 14:55:33 UTC
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A good vegetarian cook can put out fabulous, healthful and delicious
meals.
Absolutely, and no violence involved.

As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian.

-- Leo Tolstoy
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2017-11-04 02:45:44 UTC
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A good vegetarian cook can put out fabulous, healthful and delicious
meals.
Absolutely, and no violence involved.
As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian.
So why won't you answer the question on vat-grown meat, which would eliminate slaughter-houses and the violence?
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A good vegetarian cook can put out fabulous, healthful and delicious
meals.
Absolutely, and no violence involved.
As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian.
So why won't you answer the question on vat-grown meat, which would eliminate slaughter-houses and the violence?
I wonder if the moron knows that every time it eats or drinks anything
at all it is "murdering" millions of life forms. In fact every time it
takes a breath it murders millions of life forms. If it ever washes
its clothes it murders millions chances are it will be in the billions
though because you know that fucker is nasty. If (and this is a BIG
if) it bathes (and not in the Ganges) then it murders trillions. I
mean what the fuck does this thing think it is? Just because it has
some type of sanctimonious god trip does not mean that it doesn't
murder billions of life everyday. EVER FUCKING DAY!!! It makes me
wonder at the level of education that it has and that is given in its
back water country.
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2017-11-05 13:55:48 UTC
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Post by Andrew
A good vegetarian cook can put out fabulous, healthful and delicious
meals.
Absolutely, and no violence involved.
As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian.
So why won't you answer the question on vat-grown meat, which would eliminate slaughter-houses and the violence?
I wonder if the moron knows that every time it eats or drinks anything
at all it is "murdering" millions of life forms. In fact every time it
takes a breath it murders millions of life forms. If it ever washes
its clothes it murders millions chances are it will be in the billions
though because you know that fucker is nasty. If (and this is a BIG
if) it bathes (and not in the Ganges) then it murders trillions. I
mean what the fuck does this thing think it is? Just because it has
some type of sanctimonious god trip does not mean that it doesn't
murder billions of life everyday. EVER FUCKING DAY!!! It makes me
wonder at the level of education that it has and that is given in its
back water country.
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So why won't you answer the question on vat-grown meat, which would eliminate slaughter-houses and the violence?
I already answered that, Blondie.

Who wants to eat some chemical shit, grown in a laboratory, except a
complete idiot?

Discoveries Show Early Mankind Was Advanced
by Brian Thomas, M.S.

Evolution holds that mankind emerged from ³primitive² primates about
3.5 million years ago. Afterward, man continued to add habits and
features that distinguished him from his humble predecessors,
resulting fairly recently in what are considered modern humans.
However, new artifact finds have not corroborated this naturalistic
story.

Dr. Michael Petraglia of the University of Oxford led an investigation
into an ancient population site in India that had been buried under
volcanic debris. Beneath the ash, he discovered stone tools. A
university press release related that ³according to the team a
potentially ground-breaking implication of the new work is that the
species responsible for making the stone tools in India was Homo
sapiens.²1

This finding contradicts the evolutionary molecular clock date of
mankind¹s presence in India by ³about 15,000 years.² But this is to be
expected, since different molecules ³tick² at different rates, and
thus make poor clocks.2

In other news, unexpected evidence of symbolic thought, a uniquely
human attribute, was found in Western Cape, South Africa.
Cross-hatching patterns on bird eggs, decorated for use as carrying
baskets, were made during the middle Stone Age of that area, a
tradition that is now ³a widespread modern practice.² The results,
published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences,
revealed that whoever made these markings had ³social, cultural, and
cognitive underpinnings that overlap with those of modern people²
(emphasis added).3

And a discovery of ancient grain use has forced another detail of
³human evolution² to be refined. It was thought that cereals only
entered humans¹ diet after they evolved the abilities to roast,
grind, and cook grain, supposedly 20,000 years ago. But grain
grinding tools made of stone and estimated to be up to 100,000 years
old were found in Mozambique with ³ample starchy residue,²4 suggesting
that a uniquely human diet existed far earlier than evolutionists had
supposed.

Anthropologist Julio Mercader found that ³a large assemblage of
starch granules has been retrieved from the surfaces of Middle Stone
Age stone tools from Mozambique, showing that early Homo sapiens
relied on grass seeds starting at least 105,000 years ago, including
those of sorghum grasses.²5

All three of these finds are consistent with the biblical account, in
which mankind was specially created and then, a few thousand years
later, dispersed throughout the world from a point in the Middle East.
These migrating families would have had a relatively primitive
existence to begin with, but their fully human behaviors and
abilities are clearly reflected in the artifacts they left behind.6
References 1.

New evidence shows populations survived the Toba super-eruption 74,000
years ago. University of Oxford press release, February 22, 2010.

2. Thomas, B. Frozen Penguin DNA Casts Doubt on DNA-Based Dates. ICR
News. Posted on icr.org November 25, 2009, accessed March 4, 2010.

3. Texier, P-J. et al. 2010. A Howiesons Poort tradition of engraving
ostrich eggshell containers dated to 60,000 years ago at Diepkloof
Rock Shelter, South Africa. Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences. Published online before print March 1, 2010.

4. Willyard, C. Pass the Sorghum, Caveman. Science Now. Posted on
sciencemag.org December 17, 2009, accessed March 4, 2010, reporting on
a study published in Mercader, J. 2009. Mozambican Grass Seed
Consumption During the Middle Stone Age. Science. 326 (5960):
1680-1683.

5. Mercader, J. Mozambican Grass Seed Consumption During the Middle
Stone Age. Science. 326 (5960): 1680.

6. Thomas, B. Boats and Jewelry: ŒStone Age¹ People Were Surprisingly
Modern. ICR News. Posted on icr.org January 25, 2010, accessed March
5, 2010.
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So why won't you answer the question on vat-grown meat, which would eliminate slaughter-houses and the violence?
I already answered that, Blondie.
Who wants to eat some chemical shit, grown in a laboratory, except a
complete idiot?
you drink it you bathe in it every day.... well you may not bathe it
in everyday. I am sure that would be much closer to once a month
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you drink it you bathe in it every day.... well you may not bathe it
in everyday. I am sure that would be much closer to once a month
Hehe, that guy sounds real intelligent :D

--but, but I'm atheist, it slowed down my mental evolution.

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Hehe, that guy sounds real intelligent :D
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So why won't you answer the question on vat-grown meat, which would eliminate slaughter-houses and the violence?
I already answered that, Blondie.
Who wants to eat some chemical shit,
Everything everybody eats are chemicals, you silly twit.


So youir only objection is aesthetic. Fuck that.

Given the choice between the current situation and all the problems it causes or eliminating all those things with vat-grown meat, you would choose the status quo. Really?


People are going to eat meat because people love meat. If they get the taste and mouth feel correct, then everybody can be happy. What's your objection to that. Surely, you're not crazy enough to think you can make people not love meat anymore. If you tried to take bacon away from people, you would be tarred and feathered and probably lynched. But if the vat-grown bacon is indistinguishable from what we have now, all those little piggies will mostly disappear and no longer suffer.

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So why won't you answer the question on vat-grown meat, which would
eliminate slaughter-houses and the violence?
I already answered that, Blondie.
Who wants to eat some chemical shit,
Everything everybody eats are chemicals, you silly twit.
So youir only objection is aesthetic. Fuck that.
Given the choice between the current situation and all the problems it
causes or eliminating all those things with vat-grown meat, you would
choose the status quo. Really?
People are going to eat meat because people love meat. If they get the
taste and mouth feel correct, then everybody can be happy. What's your
objection to that. Surely, you're not crazy enough to think you can make
people not love meat anymore. If you tried to take bacon away from
people, you would be tarred and feathered and probably lynched. But if
the vat-grown bacon is indistinguishable from what we have now, all those
little piggies will mostly disappear and no longer suffer.
You really need to make up your mind.
OMG. Jesper is against vat grown meat??
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OMG. Jesper is against vat grown meat??
OMG. That's just so enormously interesting.


--but, but I don't really have anything to offe rthe world. And I have
to say something, so I'm on usenet showing how brain-dead atheism
makes you.

I mean, seriously, what could be wrog with a philosophy that reduces
the significance of a man to that of a cock-roach, right?

Also, I can't understand why the world is going to hell right now with
publlic indoctrination geared towards such an understanding of the
world.


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OMG. Jesper is against vat grown meat??
OMG. That's just so enormously interesting.
--but, but I don't really have anything to offe rthe world. And I have
to say something, so I'm on usenet showing how brain-dead atheism
makes you.
I mean, seriously, what could be wrog with a philosophy that reduces
the significance of a man to that of a cock-roach, right?
What the FUCK are you babbling about now?

And why is man more significant than cockroaches?
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And why is man more significant than cockroaches?
Because in the human life, the soul gets a unique chance to know God.

Cock-roaches are only interested in eating, sleeping, mating and
defending... like mny people now aa days.


The experience of what is tangible and real in the world, is different
from person to person. For me, God is totally tangible and real,
whereas for others He is intangible and no more real than Santa Claus
or the Toothfairy.

But the joy that is experienced by adding Krishna to one's life is
completely real and tangible.. to one who does it, that is.

To add Krishna to one's life, to make Him a tangible reality, doesn't
require one to follow a lot of rules, shave one's head, dress in
sheets, and move into the temple. One doesn't have to think about
that, at all. All one has to think about, is to add Krishna to
whatever one is doing. But that is a difficult task for many. Very few
people want to spend even 10 minutes a day chanting the Hare Krishna
mantra.

So let it come to a test - a test anyone can do.

Just think of Krishna 3 times a day - morning, noon, and evening. Just
think of the name KRISH-NA. Pronounce it in your mind - KRISH-NA -
just remember this word three times a day, and see where it takes you.
I can guarantee that it will improve your life-performance.

My spiritual master used to tell us that material life (ie. life in a
material body) is like a string of zeros. No matter how many zeros you
add to it, it is still zero, it still comes out to nothing. But by
adding the ONE of Krishna, all the zeros suddenly increse their value.

So why not try it? Remember Krishna's name three times a day, and see
where it takes you. What have you got to lose? There is everything to
gain and nothing to lose.

Krishna says:

In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution, and a little
advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type
of fear. (Bg 2.40)



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And why is man more significant than cockroaches?
Because in the human life, the soul gets a unique chance to know God.
Ummm, still waiting for evidence that either the soul or any god exists. Until then, nobody here is interested in your fantasies about them.
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Cock-roaches are only interested in eating, sleeping, mating and
defending... like mny people now aa days.
They're the perfect organism. They could survive a nuclear holocaust that wiped out humans and most other life.

How does that make them less significant than humans? They very well could be our successors, which would make them inferior.

And if so many people are living exactly the same way as cockroaches, as you state above, there really is no difference, is there?
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So why won't you answer the question on vat-grown meat, which would
eliminate slaughter-houses and the violence?
I already answered that, Blondie.
Who wants to eat some chemical shit,
Everything everybody eats are chemicals, you silly twit.
So youir only objection is aesthetic. Fuck that.
Given the choice between the current situation and all the problems it
causes or eliminating all those things with vat-grown meat, you would
choose the status quo. Really?
People are going to eat meat because people love meat. If they get the
taste and mouth feel correct, then everybody can be happy. What's your
objection to that. Surely, you're not crazy enough to think you can make
people not love meat anymore. If you tried to take bacon away from
people, you would be tarred and feathered and probably lynched. But if
the vat-grown bacon is indistinguishable from what we have now, all those
little piggies will mostly disappear and no longer suffer.
You really need to make up your mind.
OMG. Jesper is against vat grown meat??
He calls it "chemical shit". Without knowing a single thing about it.
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So why won't you answer the question on vat-grown meat, which would
eliminate slaughter-houses and the violence?
I already answered that, Blondie.
Who wants to eat some chemical shit,
Everything everybody eats are chemicals, you silly twit.
So youir only objection is aesthetic. Fuck that.
Given the choice between the current situation and all the problems it
causes or eliminating all those things with vat-grown meat, you would
choose the status quo. Really?
People are going to eat meat because people love meat. If they get the
taste and mouth feel correct, then everybody can be happy. What's your
objection to that. Surely, you're not crazy enough to think you can make
people not love meat anymore. If you tried to take bacon away from
people, you would be tarred and feathered and probably lynched. But if
the vat-grown bacon is indistinguishable from what we have now, all those
little piggies will mostly disappear and no longer suffer.
You really need to make up your mind.
OMG. Jesper is against vat grown meat??
He calls it "chemical shit". Without knowing a single thing about it.
I wonder if it knows what the ganjes actually is. I wonder if it knows
that the ganjes can be literally described as chemical shit.

I am sure it bathes there at least once a month
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So why won't you answer the question on vat-grown meat, which would
eliminate slaughter-houses and the violence?
I already answered that, Blondie.
Who wants to eat some chemical shit,
Everything everybody eats are chemicals, you silly twit.
So youir only objection is aesthetic. Fuck that.
Given the choice between the current situation and all the problems it
causes or eliminating all those things with vat-grown meat, you would
choose the status quo. Really?
People are going to eat meat because people love meat. If they get the
taste and mouth feel correct, then everybody can be happy. What's your
objection to that. Surely, you're not crazy enough to think you can make
people not love meat anymore. If you tried to take bacon away from
people, you would be tarred and feathered and probably lynched. But if
the vat-grown bacon is indistinguishable from what we have now, all those
little piggies will mostly disappear and no longer suffer.
You really need to make up your mind.
OMG. Jesper is against vat grown meat??
He calls it "chemical shit". Without knowing a single thing about it.
I wonder if it knows what the ganjes actually is. I wonder if it knows
that the ganjes can be literally described as chemical shit.
I am sure it bathes there at least once a month
In the past, he has declared that the Ganges is the cleanest river ever.
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A good vegetarian cook can put out fabulous, healthful and delicious
meals.
Absolutely, and no violence involved.
As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian.
So why won't you answer the question on vat-grown meat, which would eliminate slaughter-houses and the violence?
Has Jesper been responding to you directly? I wonder if he has all women killfiled.
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"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
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-Albert Einstein
A good vegetarian cook can put out fabulous, healthful and delicious
meals.
Which can always be improved by topping them with bacon!

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meals.
Which can always be improved by topping them with bacon!
Kevin R
My wife makes a broccoli salad that has bacon in it. Yummy. It's the only time I ever eat salty fat. I know this makes me strange to bacon lovers but I much prefer ham. Or Prime Rib. Or maybe a burger from Tommy's or Carney's, hold that half-inch thick piece of tomato. Keep the paper towels coming and give me a spoon to get all the chili.
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"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
-Albert Einstein
A good vegetarian cook can put out fabulous, healthful and delicious
meals.
Which can always be improved by topping them with bacon!
Kevin R
My wife makes a broccoli salad that has bacon in it. Yummy. It's the only time I ever eat salty fat. I know this makes me strange to bacon lovers but I much prefer ham. Or Prime Rib. Or maybe a burger from Tommy's or Carney's, hold that half-inch thick piece of tomato. Keep the paper towels coming and give me a spoon to get all the chili.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm bacon!!

Nothing beats a good barbeque smoked pulled pork though...
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Which can always be improved by topping them with bacon!
Can I have my nice crunchy bacon sans veggies?
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"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
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-Albert Einstein
A good vegetarian cook can put out fabulous, healthful and delicious
meals.
Which can always be improved by topping them with bacon!
Can I have my nice crunchy bacon sans veggies?
You may, but have you considered the following?

Do you have any understanding of the relation of
your greasy diet to your cardiovascular system?

Did you know that the leading cause of death for
our atheist friends is --> cardiovascular disease?

What will then happen to alt.atheism when all of
our atheist friends start dropping off to leave this
realm and go to meet their Maker?
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"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for
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vegetarian diet" -Albert Einstein
A good vegetarian cook can put out fabulous, healthful and
delicious meals.
Which can always be improved by topping them with bacon!
Can I have my nice crunchy bacon sans veggies?
You may, but have you considered the following?
Do you have any understanding of the relation of
your greasy diet to your cardiovascular system?
Did you know that the leading cause of death for
our atheist friends is --> cardiovascular disease?
What will then happen to alt.atheism when all of
our atheist friends start dropping off to leave this
realm and go to meet their Maker?
Why do you care what happens to atheists?
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"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for
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vegetarian diet" -Albert Einstein
A good vegetarian cook can put out fabulous, healthful and
delicious meals.
Which can always be improved by topping them with bacon!
Can I have my nice crunchy bacon sans veggies?
You may, but have you considered the following?
Do you have any understanding of the relation of
your greasy diet to your cardiovascular system?
Did you know that the leading cause of death for
our atheist friends is --> cardiovascular disease?
What will then happen to alt.atheism when all of
our atheist friends start dropping off to leave this
realm and go to meet their Maker?
Why do you care what happens to atheists?
Think about it. What would ever happen to alt.atheism
after all of our atheist friends drop dead? Many of them
have already departed and have now gone to meet..their
Maker. There're gonna be ~really~surprised! Wow. Lol!
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"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for
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vegetarian diet" -Albert Einstein
A good vegetarian cook can put out fabulous, healthful and
delicious meals.
Which can always be improved by topping them with bacon!
Can I have my nice crunchy bacon sans veggies?
You may, but have you considered the following?
Do you have any understanding of the relation of
your greasy diet to your cardiovascular system?
Did you know that the leading cause of death for
our atheist friends is --> cardiovascular disease?
What will then happen to alt.atheism when all of
our atheist friends start dropping off to leave this
realm and go to meet their Maker?
Why do you care what happens to atheists?
Think about it. What would ever happen to alt.atheism
after all of our atheist friends drop dead? Many of them
have already departed and have now gone to meet..their
Maker. There're gonna be ~really~surprised! Wow. Lol!
Repeating your statement doesn't answer
the question.

Why do you care what atheists think?

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with your lack of intelligence.
Lack of intelligence? hahaha :) Aren't you the guy who feeds his kids
corpses? Next to you, dumbo, I'm like Einstein next to pre-schooler.
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Wow janet I guess you like being made to look very stupid. Yup you are
a masochist.
I'm glad.
That is about as far as I got and I am delighted you are satisfied
with your lack of intelligence.
More evidence for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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Wow janet I guess you like being made to look very stupid. Yup you are
a masochist.
I'm glad.
That is about as far as I got and I am delighted you are satisfied
with your lack of intelligence.
More evidence for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
How does that statistic go? the bottom 10% think they are as
intelligent as the top 10 %
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2017-11-07 04:35:31 UTC
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Wow janet I guess you like being made to look very stupid. Yup you
are a masochist.
I'm glad.
That is about as far as I got and I am delighted you are satisfied
with your lack of intelligence.
More evidence for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
How does that statistic go? the bottom 10% think they are as intelligent
as the top 10 %
They are too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
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2017-11-07 05:24:46 UTC
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Wow janet I guess you like being made to look very stupid. Yup you
are a masochist.
I'm glad.
That is about as far as I got and I am delighted you are satisfied
with your lack of intelligence.
More evidence for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
How does that statistic go? the bottom 10% think they are as intelligent
as the top 10 %
They are too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
Ain't that called the Dunning–Kruger effect?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>
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2017-11-09 05:15:13 UTC
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Wow janet I guess you like being made to look very stupid. Yup
you are a masochist.
I'm glad.
That is about as far as I got and I am delighted you are satisfied
with your lack of intelligence.
More evidence for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
How does that statistic go? the bottom 10% think they are as
intelligent as the top 10 %
They are too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
Ain't that called the Dunning–Kruger effect?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>
Yep. See 10 lines above.
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Wow janet I guess you like being made to look very stupid. Yup
you are a masochist.
I'm glad.
That is about as far as I got and I am delighted you are satisfied
with your lack of intelligence.
More evidence for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
How does that statistic go? the bottom 10% think they are as
intelligent as the top 10 %
They are too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
Ain't that called the Dunning–Kruger effect?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>
Yep. See 10 lines above.
Missed it by... *"that much"*...
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2017-11-09 02:10:53 UTC
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They are too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
After a long time living in the material world, you begin to
understand that you don't belong here. As you become older in this
life you realize that without exception everything turns into misery,
sorrow and frustration. Even if you are enjoying to the max, disease,
old age and death always gets you in the end.

This would be a depressing realization if there were no positive
alternative. But there is. When you add Krishna to your life and begin
practicing devotion to Him, all this other stuff - family, friends,
society, all your loved ones become as significant as the autum leaves
rattling in the wind, for the security and bliss you discover in
Krishna's service makes everything else pale in comparison.

-- but, but, that's being defeatist and irresponsible, I hear someone
object.

On the contrary, it is defeatist and irresponsible to surrender to
disease, old age and death. To explain it away by saying, there is
nothing you can do about it anyway, when God Himself tells you, you
can get out of the ocean of birth and death - now THAT's defeatist and
irresponsible.

It is defeatist because you surrender to nature's powers, and it is
irresponsible, because the sole prerogative of the human life-form is
for the soul to get out of samsara - the endless cycle of birth and
death. To not take advantage of that rare opportunity is
irresponsible.

--but, but who will take care of the family, if everyone just goes
off, dresses in sheets and chants mantras?

Family? First of all, one doesn't exclude the other. To practice
devotion to Krishna does not mean you can't take care of your family.
Rather, you can take better care, it's just not the ultimate goal in
life anymore. And secondly, everyone in the material world takes care
of their family. Ants, cockroaches, cats and dogs and cows take care
of their families. Family is being taken care of in any life-form. In
the modern culture, it is being hailed as some noble, unassailable,
holy principle - the ultimate goal in life you must stick to, no
matter what. Family is God.

The fact is, though, that if humans are just another lifeform that
popped out of the evolutionary cycle, there is nothing more noble or
exquisite about a mother strolling her infant down 5th Avenue in a
pushchair, than an ant carrying an egg home to its nest.

Krishna says:

Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire
from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized
souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.
(Bg. 4.34)

Having obtained real knowledge from a self-realized soul, you will
never fall again into such illusion, for by this knowledge you will
see that all living beings are but part of the Supreme, or, in other
words, that they are Mine. (Bg.4.35)

Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when
you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge you will be
able to cross over the ocean of miseries. (Bg. 4.36)

As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire
of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities. (Bg.
4.37)

In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental
knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism. And
one who has become accomplished in the practice of devotional service
enjoys this knowledge within himself in due course of time. (Bg. 4.38)

A faithful man who is dedicated to transcendental knowledge and who
subdues his senses is eligible to achieve such knowledge, and having
achieved it he quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace. (Bg. 4.39)

But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures
do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting soul
there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next. (Bg. 4.40)
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2017-11-09 06:44:47 UTC
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They are too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
After a long time living in the material world, you begin to
understand that you don't belong here.
What level of self-hatred is required to wish for non-existence?

There's little evidence for any universe other than the physical.
There are cosmological theories allowing for a multiverse, of
course, but it's all math and speculation, so far.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

As things stand now, if one doesn't want to be here, one doesn't
want to BE.

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What level of self-hatred is required to wish for non-existence?
You are blathering like a drooling fool. Atheism is exactly the wish
for non-existence. The final goal of atheism is non-existence. What
kind of self-hatred is required to join a faith, where the final goal
is non-existence?

The final goal of theism, however, is eternal existence.

Get it?

Waking from the Dream


To wake up to reality, we must first understand that we're asleep. We
souls inhabiting the material world are under the influence of
Krishna's illusory potency, Maya Devi. Just as one forgets his life
during a dream at night, we who live in the material world live in
ignorance of our real identity and are considered to be asleep.


The "reality" to which we have become so accustomed is a dream. Our
spiritual existence, the one we have forgotten--our eternal existence
in the spiritual realm--is the reality. How can we distinguish between
reality and illusion? In a dream, everything seems quite real. We go
through the same register of emotions and impressions as when we are
awake. Dreams seem real enough. What, then, makes a dream unreal? When
do we know the dream is unreal? That's right, when we wake up.


In the Bhagavad-gita Lord Krishna has given the answer by pointing out
that reality is that which exists without cessation, that which
continues and is everlasting. A dream, therefore, since it has a
beginning and an end, cannot be real. Real existence is continuous.
Krishna says:


"Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the
nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the
eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by
studying the nature of both." (Bhagavad-gita2.16)


When Lord Krishna speaks of the material body as "nonexistent," He is
referring to its being temporary; its existence is not a permanent
fact.


"Nonexistent" does not mean that the material body and the material
world don't exist, or that they are "false," as some impersonalists
say. What it means is that it's temporary. In contrast to eternal
time, our current temporary existence is fleeting and insubstantial--a
short flash, like a dream. Even a long dreamlike life will come to an
end, and in the realm of eternity our lifespan of sixty or eighty
years is such a miniscule glimpse in the vastness of eternity that it
doesn't even register. The same is true of the computer I am writing
on. Even if I left it sitting alone on my desk and never touched it,
time would eventually destroy it, its identity or form would cease to
exist. However long that would take is immaterial.


To us a thousand or a million years may seem like a substantial amount
of time. But from the point of view of, say, Lord Brahma, the first
created living being in the universe (who lives for the unfathomable
time of 311.04 trillion solar years), surely my computer, the desk my
computer sits on, as well as the house that surrounds the desk, cannot
be said to exist. Before Lord Brahma even has time to finish his
morning ablutions, we would have died and been born millions of times.
Brahma's lifespan is the same as the lifespan of the universe. That
is, he lives as long as the universe continues. So in relation to Lord
Brahma's perception of time, our lives are so short and insignificant
that for all practical purposes they might as well never have been.


Similarly, in the eternal time of the spiritual realm, Lord Brahma and
the universe we live in are as insignificant and non-existent as we
are in relation to the universe.

Krishna explains this in the Bhagavad-gita:


By human calculation, a thousand ages taken together form the
duration of Brahma's one day. And such also is the duration of his
night.


At the beginning of Brahma's day, all living entities become manifest
from the unmanifest state, and thereafter, when the night falls, they
are merged into the unmanifest again.


Again and again, when Brahma's day arrives, all living entities come
into being, and with the arrival of Brahma's night they are helplessly
annihilated.


Yet there is another unmanifest nature, which is eternal and is
transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is
supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is
annihilated, that part remains as it is. (Bg. 8.17-20)

Another Plane


Krishna says that there is an eternal realm of existence beyond this
manifested, temporary world. Here on this plane all our experiences
and activities are dreamlike because they will be reduced to fleeting
memories; then they will evaporate in time as if they had never taken
place. And finally we will go to sleep at death. But on the spiritual
plane we will possess a continuous experience of eternity. We will
have woken up to our real life. That's why our present existence in a
body that changes from childhood to youth to old age is unreal and
dreamlike. Our life in this particular body has a beginning and an
end, and for that reason it is a dream. Our life is not unreal in the
sense that it does not take place.


Obviously it does. If I bash my head against a wall, it will hurt, and
that pain is real enough. So the unreal factor about life is that it
ends. And it can never fulfill its promise of the happiness we are
always hoping for. That's the real illusion of material life. One may
consider enjoyment in the material world substantial. What's wrong
with enjoying? What's wrong with seeking some happiness?
The answer is that the pleasures of the body and the mind always end.
That's what's wrong. Such pleasure can never satisfy the self, because
the self is eternal and therefore hungers for lasting pleasure.


Krishna says:


"An intelligent person does not take part in the sources of misery,
which are due to contact with the material senses. O son of Kunti,
such pleasures have a beginning and an end, and so the wise man does
not delight in them." (Bhagavad-gita 5.22)


As we can see from Krishna's words here, not only can we not find
satisfaction in temporary pleasures, but the same pleasures will also
cause us suffering. Misery always follows material happiness. Because
the soul is eternal by constitution, we cannot find satisfaction in
the temporary.


Life in the material world can never satisfy us, no matter how much
sense gratification we get. It is exactly like in a dream. We may
experience some sense of happiness as we engage in pleasurable
activities, but we always have to wake up to the reality of misery and
lamentation. In a dream we wake up to our daily life, and in life we
wake up to disease, old age, death, or some other calamity.


Fading Memories


In life the activities we engage in become memories, and these
memories are like dreams.


All the good and bad experiences we have been through in life are now
just memories--fleeting and without substance--like a dream we may
have had. We forget them as if they never happened. There is in
essence no difference between a dream we once had and an experience
that actually happened to us.

When an old man sits outside the mall wearily eyeing the young ladies
hurrying by, it is of little comfort to him to think about all the
pleasures he once had with women. Sometimes people say that they have
lived a full life, that they have nice memories to fall back on. But
the fact is that the memories of past pleasures are not enough to
satisfy us. The memories of enjoyment we had in the past or hope to
have in the future cannot satisfy the deep longings for fulfillment
that live in our hearts.


Our senses and mind can find some temporary relief in relationships,
or even in possessions, but then it is over. Even if we love the same
person faithfully throughout our whole life and that person loves us
back, the happiness cannot last--there is bound to be separation, and
then misery sets in. There is no way to avoid it: material life is
headed for lamentation.


Krishna says, "From the highest planet in the material world down to
the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death
take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kunti, never
takes birth again." (Bhagavad-gita 8.16)


Now, if there weren't any alternative to such a material life,
existence would be bleak indeed. Many people who have no knowledge of
the positive alternative of Krishna consciousness find the truth about
the material world a depressing message. But just as a dream denotes
something real, so our temporary material life is nothing but a
distorted reflection of our real, eternal life.


The screen of material perception now covers our consciousness and
mentality. That's why we think it is possible to find happiness in the
material world through the material body. The soul has stepped outside
its real environment of eternity and entered the temporary world of
matter. Srila Prabhupada compared this to a fish on dry land. Outside
its natural element, the fish cannot enjoy and soon withers and dies.


No matter how such pleasure the fish is offered, it will not be able
to enjoy it because it is out of its natural element. Similarly, we
have to wither and die again and again, pathetically flapping for a
few inconsequential moments on the shores of time. This cycle will
continue endlessly, until we wake up to our real existence. We have
come to the material world because we desired to imitate Krishna's
position as the supreme enjoyer and controller.


Since we can never usurp Krishna's position, He has kindly put us to
sleep in material life so that we can dream that we are the enjoyers
and controllers. The genuine spiritual process of Krishna
consciousness helps the soul sleeping in the lap of Maya to wake up to
reality--the reality of spiritual life. In reality, we are eternally
full of knowledge and bliss. But being asleep, we cannot see that.
Instead we try to find happiness in our dreams--be they the pursuit of
love, family, success, wealth, or any number of temporary solutions.


We seek happiness outside ourselves, when the happiness is there all
the time within. We are like a deer that neglects a nearby brook and
runs into the desert to find water. The sages tell us that the
solution to this pitiful condition, the means to get out of this
existential ignorance, is to chant the Hare Krishna mantra.


Therefore the members of the Hare Krishna movement are very eager to
get everyone to chant

Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare
Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.


The Kali-santarana Upanisad says of the maha-mantra, "It is the only
means by which to counteract the evils of Kali-yuga. After having
searched through all the Vedas,one will find no more sublime form of
religion."

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What level of self-hatred is required to wish for non-existence?
You are blathering like a drooling fool. Atheism is exactly the wish
for non-existence. The final goal of atheism is non-existence.
In other words--reality.

Why do you have such a problem with reality?
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To wake up to reality, we must first understand that we're asleep. We
souls
See, here's where you go completely round the bend. You have yet to provide any evidence that such a thing as a soul exists and, until you do, there's nothing to talk about.
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What level of self-hatred is required to wish for non-existence?
You are blathering like a drooling fool. Atheism is exactly the wish
for non-existence. The final goal of atheism is non-existence. What
kind of self-hatred is required to join a faith, where the final goal
is non-existence?

The final goal of theism, however, is eternal existence.

Get it?

Waking from the Dream


To wake up to reality, we must first understand that we're asleep. We
souls inhabiting the material world are under the influence of
Krishna's illusory potency, Maya Devi. Just as one forgets his life
during a dream at night, we who live in the material world live in
ignorance of our real identity and are considered to be asleep.


The "reality" to which we have become so accustomed is a dream. Our
spiritual existence, the one we have forgotten--our eternal existence
in the spiritual realm--is the reality. How can we distinguish between
reality and illusion? In a dream, everything seems quite real. We go
through the same register of emotions and impressions as when we are
awake. Dreams seem real enough. What, then, makes a dream unreal? When
do we know the dream is unreal? That's right, when we wake up.


In the Bhagavad-gita Lord Krishna has given the answer by pointing out
that reality is that which exists without cessation, that which
continues and is everlasting. A dream, therefore, since it has a
beginning and an end, cannot be real. Real existence is continuous.
Krishna says:


"Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the
nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the
eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by
studying the nature of both." (Bhagavad-gita2.16)


When Lord Krishna speaks of the material body as "nonexistent," He is
referring to its being temporary; its existence is not a permanent
fact.


"Nonexistent" does not mean that the material body and the material
world don't exist, or that they are "false," as some impersonalists
say. What it means is that it's temporary. In contrast to eternal
time, our current temporary existence is fleeting and insubstantial--a
short flash, like a dream. Even a long dreamlike life will come to an
end, and in the realm of eternity our lifespan of sixty or eighty
years is such a miniscule glimpse in the vastness of eternity that it
doesn't even register. The same is true of the computer I am writing
on. Even if I left it sitting alone on my desk and never touched it,
time would eventually destroy it, its identity or form would cease to
exist. However long that would take is immaterial.


To us a thousand or a million years may seem like a substantial amount
of time. But from the point of view of, say, Lord Brahma, the first
created living being in the universe (who lives for the unfathomable
time of 311.04 trillion solar years), surely my computer, the desk my
computer sits on, as well as the house that surrounds the desk, cannot
be said to exist. Before Lord Brahma even has time to finish his
morning ablutions, we would have died and been born millions of times.
Brahma's lifespan is the same as the lifespan of the universe. That
is, he lives as long as the universe continues. So in relation to Lord
Brahma's perception of time, our lives are so short and insignificant
that for all practical purposes they might as well never have been.


Similarly, in the eternal time of the spiritual realm, Lord Brahma and
the universe we live in are as insignificant and non-existent as we
are in relation to the universe.

Krishna explains this in the Bhagavad-gita:


By human calculation, a thousand ages taken together form the
duration of Brahma's one day. And such also is the duration of his
night.


At the beginning of Brahma's day, all living entities become manifest
from the unmanifest state, and thereafter, when the night falls, they
are merged into the unmanifest again.


Again and again, when Brahma's day arrives, all living entities come
into being, and with the arrival of Brahma's night they are helplessly
annihilated.


Yet there is another unmanifest nature, which is eternal and is
transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is
supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is
annihilated, that part remains as it is. (Bg. 8.17-20)

Another Plane


Krishna says that there is an eternal realm of existence beyond this
manifested, temporary world. Here on this plane all our experiences
and activities are dreamlike because they will be reduced to fleeting
memories; then they will evaporate in time as if they had never taken
place. And finally we will go to sleep at death. But on the spiritual
plane we will possess a continuous experience of eternity. We will
have woken up to our real life. That's why our present existence in a
body that changes from childhood to youth to old age is unreal and
dreamlike. Our life in this particular body has a beginning and an
end, and for that reason it is a dream. Our life is not unreal in the
sense that it does not take place.


Obviously it does. If I bash my head against a wall, it will hurt, and
that pain is real enough. So the unreal factor about life is that it
ends. And it can never fulfill its promise of the happiness we are
always hoping for. That's the real illusion of material life. One may
consider enjoyment in the material world substantial. What's wrong
with enjoying? What's wrong with seeking some happiness?
The answer is that the pleasures of the body and the mind always end.
That's what's wrong. Such pleasure can never satisfy the self, because
the self is eternal and therefore hungers for lasting pleasure.


Krishna says:


"An intelligent person does not take part in the sources of misery,
which are due to contact with the material senses. O son of Kunti,
such pleasures have a beginning and an end, and so the wise man does
not delight in them." (Bhagavad-gita 5.22)


As we can see from Krishna's words here, not only can we not find
satisfaction in temporary pleasures, but the same pleasures will also
cause us suffering. Misery always follows material happiness. Because
the soul is eternal by constitution, we cannot find satisfaction in
the temporary.


Life in the material world can never satisfy us, no matter how much
sense gratification we get. It is exactly like in a dream. We may
experience some sense of happiness as we engage in pleasurable
activities, but we always have to wake up to the reality of misery and
lamentation. In a dream we wake up to our daily life, and in life we
wake up to disease, old age, death, or some other calamity.


Fading Memories


In life the activities we engage in become memories, and these
memories are like dreams.


All the good and bad experiences we have been through in life are now
just memories--fleeting and without substance--like a dream we may
have had. We forget them as if they never happened. There is in
essence no difference between a dream we once had and an experience
that actually happened to us.

When an old man sits outside the mall wearily eyeing the young ladies
hurrying by, it is of little comfort to him to think about all the
pleasures he once had with women. Sometimes people say that they have
lived a full life, that they have nice memories to fall back on. But
the fact is that the memories of past pleasures are not enough to
satisfy us. The memories of enjoyment we had in the past or hope to
have in the future cannot satisfy the deep longings for fulfillment
that live in our hearts.


Our senses and mind can find some temporary relief in relationships,
or even in possessions, but then it is over. Even if we love the same
person faithfully throughout our whole life and that person loves us
back, the happiness cannot last--there is bound to be separation, and
then misery sets in. There is no way to avoid it: material life is
headed for lamentation.


Krishna says, "From the highest planet in the material world down to
the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death
take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kunti, never
takes birth again." (Bhagavad-gita 8.16)


Now, if there weren't any alternative to such a material life,
existence would be bleak indeed. Many people who have no knowledge of
the positive alternative of Krishna consciousness find the truth about
the material world a depressing message. But just as a dream denotes
something real, so our temporary material life is nothing but a
distorted reflection of our real, eternal life.


The screen of material perception now covers our consciousness and
mentality. That's why we think it is possible to find happiness in the
material world through the material body. The soul has stepped outside
its real environment of eternity and entered the temporary world of
matter. Srila Prabhupada compared this to a fish on dry land. Outside
its natural element, the fish cannot enjoy and soon withers and dies.


No matter how such pleasure the fish is offered, it will not be able
to enjoy it because it is out of its natural element. Similarly, we
have to wither and die again and again, pathetically flapping for a
few inconsequential moments on the shores of time. This cycle will
continue endlessly, until we wake up to our real existence. We have
come to the material world because we desired to imitate Krishna's
position as the supreme enjoyer and controller.


Since we can never usurp Krishna's position, He has kindly put us to
sleep in material life so that we can dream that we are the enjoyers
and controllers. The genuine spiritual process of Krishna
consciousness helps the soul sleeping in the lap of Maya to wake up to
reality--the reality of spiritual life. In reality, we are eternally
full of knowledge and bliss. But being asleep, we cannot see that.
Instead we try to find happiness in our dreams--be they the pursuit of
love, family, success, wealth, or any number of temporary solutions.


We seek happiness outside ourselves, when the happiness is there all
the time within. We are like a deer that neglects a nearby brook and
runs into the desert to find water. The sages tell us that the
solution to this pitiful condition, the means to get out of this
existential ignorance, is to chant the Hare Krishna mantra.

hare krsna hare krsna krsna krsna hare hare
hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare

"This mantra, consisting of 16 words and 32 syllables, is the only
means against evil in the age of Kali. After searching through all the
Vedic literature, one cannot find a method of religion more sublime
for this age than the chanting of Hare Krsna.

--- Kali-santarana Upanishad
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They are too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
After a long
yeah that was a very long post .. to bad I sure as hell did not read
it. I mean three words is plenty coming from someone that believes in
fairies.
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They are too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
After a long time living in the material world, you begin to
understand that you don't belong here.
Who are you talking to or about?

Since there is nothing BUT the material world, we'd better belong here or just kill ourselves.
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They are too stupid to realise how stupid they are.
After a long time living in the material world, you begin to
understand that you don't belong here. As you become older in this
life you realize that without exception everything turns into misery,
sorrow and frustration.
Nonsense. Utter nonsense. I'm real sorry your life sucks and sucked so badly for you. Me, I'm about 90% ecstatic.



Even if you are enjoying to the max, disease,
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old age and death always gets you in the end.
Which makes everything so much sweeter because one knows it will end. Get as much out of this too-short life as you can.

How tragic that you think the inevitable end makes all the joys of your life meaningless. I mean that; that's tragic.
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This would be a depressing realization
Why? It's reality. If you find reality depressing.no wonder you're so fucked up.
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if there were no positive
alternative. But there is. When you add Krishna to your life and begin
practicing devotion to Him, all this other stuff - family, friends,
society, all your loved ones become as significant as the autum leaves
rattling in the wind, for the security and bliss you discover in
Krishna's service makes everything else pale in comparison.
Hey, if Krishna makes your life bearable, then you stick with Krishna. But the rest of us here (not counting the trolls, of course) don't have your level of despair and depression, so we don't need your delusions.
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-- but, but, that's being defeatist and irresponsible, I hear someone
object.
No. If someone is buried alive in a slough of despair and depression, and Krishna makes him happy, then I won't say you're wrong. For yourself. The rest of us don't care.
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On the contrary, it is defeatist and irresponsible to surrender to
disease, old age and death. To explain it away by saying, there is
nothing you can do about it anyway, when God Himself tells you, you
can get out of the ocean of birth and death - now THAT's defeatist and
irresponsible.
Since you cannot provide ANY evidence that any god exists, I think I'll stick to the work scientists are doing to push those problems further into the future. I'd rather improve my quality of life in the real world than depend on an imaginary afterlife. But, hey, if it makes you happy, more power to you.



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The thing you most need to realize Jesper is that we are all in this alone.

Nobody feels your pain, your hunger, your joy or your love.
You have to decide for yourself what you value and why it should be valued in the first place.

If what you're doing is not bringing you not then you need to reexamine what you value.

Everybody has bad days but without them we can't know how valuable our joy is.

Focus on what is real and what you can do about it.

Your life is your own. Make it the best one you can.

That won't happen by you preaching your faith to people who don't care.

It won't happen by believing in things that are not real.

It will only happen by doing what makes sense in the reality you live in.

Seriously, I say with no malice, you might need professional help.
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More evidence for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
What makes a person great?

Actually, only God is great. Everyone else is small,

Krishna says:

The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal
fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very
hard with the six senses, which include the mind.

The living entity in the material world carries his different
conceptions of life from one body to another, as the air carries
aromas. Thus he takes one kind of body and again quits it to take
another.

The living entity, thus taking another gross body, obtains a certain
type of ear, eye, tongue, nose and sense of touch, which are grouped
about the mind. He thus enjoys a particular set of sense objects.

The foolish cannot understand how a living entity can quit his body,
nor can they understand what sort of body he enjoys under the spell of
the modes of nature. But one whose eyes are trained in knowledge can
see all this.

The endeavoring transcendentalists who are situated in
self-realization can see all this clearly. But those whose minds are
not developed and who are not situated in self-realization cannot see
what is taking place, though they may try.

The splendor of the sun, which dissipates the darkness of this whole
world, comes from Me. And the splendor of the moon and the splendor of
fire are also from Me.

I enter into each planet, and by My energy they stay in orbit. I
become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all
vegetables.

I am the fire of digestion in the bodies of all living entities, and I
join with the air of life, outgoing and incoming, to digest the four
kinds of foodstuff.

I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance,
knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas, I am to be known.
Indeed, I am the compiler of Vedanta, and I am the knower of the
Vedas.

There are two classes of beings, the fallible and the infallible. In
the material world every living entity is fallible, and in the
spiritual world every living entity is called infallible.

Besides these two, there is the greatest living personality, the
Supreme Soul, the imperishable Lord Himself, who has entered the three
worlds and is maintaining them.

Because I am transcendental, beyond both the fallible and the
infallible, and because I am the greatest, I am celebrated both in the
world and in the Vedas as that Supreme Person.

Whoever knows Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, without
doubting, is the knower of everything. He therefore engages himself in
full devotional service to Me, O son of Bharata.
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More evidence for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
What makes a person great?
Actually, only God is great.
How can a fictional character be "great"?
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More evidence for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
What makes a person great?
Their actions.
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Actually, only God is great. Everyone else is small,
God grates small minds.
<snip Krishna krap>
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God grates small minds.
Atheism is disease of the mind.

Atheism disproves evolution.

Atheism is the result of an unevolved mind and intelligence.

Nobody can exist without faith, Everyone believes in something and
that conviction determines our activities and way of life.
People in general have faith in the way they were brought up and in
the daily activities they perform. They have faith in their culture
and way of life.


So the question is not whether or not to have faith but rather what do
we choose to place our faith in. That's a basic choice everyone has to
make in life.

Some people reflect over their faith, and wonder why they think like
they do, but most people of the world today belong in the category of
the broad masses who accept what they are brought up to believe as
gospel truth.

Regardless of that, the faith or conviction of a person, whether
rational or not, will determine the course of his activities in life
and thus behavioral patterns will evolve. In other words, people act
in accordance with their faith and conviction.

So the bottom line is that everyone, whether they call themselves
Atheists, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Democrats or whatever,
subscribes to some kind of tenets or beliefs on which they base their
outlook in life.

In Atheism, for instance, there is a claim to have no faith, but
people with that outlook are strongly convinced that there is no
eternal soul; they believe the self is the body and that life is meant
to satisfy the bodily urges of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.
They have faith that awareness or consciousness is nothing more than
neuro-chemical reactions in the brain. Thus, to them there is no
higher meaning to life other than what the individual makes of it.

Other people have faith that there is a supreme intelligence guiding
and controlling everything, and which is the original cause of all
things.

Even persons who claim to have no faith will still have to concede,
that that very claim is based on faith.

The people who claim they only believe in facts, still believe in
material theories like Evolution and Big Bang.


Since we have to have faith in something, it makes more sense to place
our faith God or a Supreme Person rather than placing our faith in
blind natural laws or the big nothingness. The thing is, if everything
ultimately happens by chance, it leads to a bleak outlook in life.
This is also why, the more atheistic people become, the more depressed
and miserable they become. It's a statistical fact.

How can we ever hope to control our own destiny if everything happens
by chance? In that case we can't hope to control our own suffering and
enjoyment because if our suffering and enjoyment is random it means we
can't do anything about it. That means we are pawns in the hands of
nature with no real influence on the workings of matter, except
through politics and economics.


Contrary to that scenario, there is the holistic idea - we all are
part of the same whole. The religion of the Vedas is the original
belief-system in human society which holds that harmony will only
evolve when individuals give up their selfish pursuits, and come
together to serve the complete whole.

If we don't serve the complete whole we are bound to be serving our
own little spheres of interest.

But who can honestly say that he or she became satisfied by serving
the senses and the senses of loved ones? The path to true satisfaction
lies in giving up ego-centered pursuits and serving the complete whole
- Krishna. Only such a course of action will bring lasting
satisfaction to the self. The basic misunderstanding in the modern way
of life is to confuse the self with the body and mind.

That's why no one can find satisfaction in the material world and
frustration is widespread, because it is actually not possible to
satisfy the real self or the eternal soul by trying to satisfy the
body and mind.

It is like trying to satisfy a bird in a cage by polishing the cage.
The self is the soul, the eternal observer within the gross body and
subtle mind.

And because the self is unchanging and eternal it cannot find real
satisfaction in the non-permanent sphere of the body and mind.

The body and mind are constantly going through changes, but the self
is an eternal, atomic particle of consciousness for whom there is no
birth or death or old age. Therefore the conscious self cannot find
satisfaction in a world of repeated birth and death. How can we find
satisfaction when we know you are soon going to die, except by
forgetting about it?

Therefore a conditioned living entity is willing to completely forget
about the fact that he is headed for death and that in the face of
death, ultimately everyone's hopes and aspirations are rendered
meaningless.

Of course, we don't think like that. We just go on in life as if we
are never going to die and that this life is the only chance we will
ever get to obtain happiness. So, in the meantime, while we are
waiting for death, we try to find so many causes to believe in, but
since everything is transient in the material world, whatever we place
our faith in, changes, and becomes something else than we expected.


The only solution to the problems of finding our real identity is to
accept divinely inspired knowledge descending from Krishna, and which
furthermore has been recorded and transcribed in the Vedas, the most
comprehensive body of knowledge known to mankind.

The essence of Vedic knowledge has been delivered and made accessible
to the people of this fallen age by Srila Prabhupada, who comes in the
ancient disciplic succession from Krishna Himself. Anything else is
mental speculation. So there is faith based on speculation, and faith
based on fact.

The process of Krishna Consciousness or devotional service is faith
based on facts.


Krishna says:


My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)


This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)

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God grates small minds.
Atheism is disease of the mind.
Nope, that would be theism, an insane belief in the unevidenced.
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Atheism disproves evolution.
How so, liar?
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Theism is the result of an unevolved mind and lack of intelligence.
CIFY.
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Nobody can exist without faith
Merely your unevidenced belief.
Post by Jahnu
Everyone believes in something and that
conviction determines our activities and way of life.
I believe I'll have another cup of coffee.
Post by Jahnu
People in general have faith in the way they were brought up and in the
daily activities they perform. They have faith in their culture and way
of life.
All of which is evidenced, unlike your gods.

<snip more lies and Krishna krap>
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God grates small minds.
Atheism is disease of the mind.
What kind of "disease of the mind"?
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Atheism disproves evolution.
How does it do that? That's a serious question--how does atheism disprove evoluktion?
Post by Jahnu
Atheism is the result of an unevolved mind and intelligence.
Nobody can exist without faith, Everyone believes in something and
that conviction determines our activities and way of life.
People in general have faith in the way they were brought up and in
the daily activities they perform. They have faith in their culture
and way of life.
So the question is not whether or not to have faith but rather what do
we choose to place our faith in. That's a basic choice everyone has to
make in life.
We have faith in anything for which there is evidence.
Post by Jahnu
So the bottom line is that everyone, whether they call themselves
Atheists, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Democrats or whatever,
subscribes to some kind of tenets or beliefs on which they base their
outlook in life.
Mine is based on the commonality of all humanity. That every person is my brother. That anything that hurts another human being hurts me. It's called empathy.
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In Atheism, for instance, there is a claim to have no faith, but
people with that outlook are strongly convinced that there is no
eternal soul;
Because there is no EVIDENCE. What is your problem?
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they believe the self is the body and that life is meant
to satisfy the bodily urges of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.
They have faith that awareness or consciousness is nothing more than
neuro-chemical reactions in the brain.
Exactly. The laws of physics and chemistry, just like everything else in the universe.
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Thus, to them there is no
higher meaning to life other than what the individual makes of it.
Exactly. You finally figured it out.
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Other people have faith that there is a supreme intelligence guiding
and controlling everything, and which is the original cause of all
things.
And they have absolutely no rational reason for that faith.
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Even persons who claim to have no faith will still have to concede,
that that very claim is based on faith.
No, it's not. It's based on the FACT that there is no EVIDENCE.
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The people who claim they only believe in facts, still believe in
material theories like Evolution and Big Bang.
Yep. Because there is EVIDENCE.
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Since we have to have faith in something, it makes more sense to place
our faith God or a Supreme Person
Why?
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rather than placing our faith in
blind natural laws or the big nothingness. The thing is, if everything
ultimately happens by chance, i
Who said everything happens by chance?
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t leads to a bleak outlook in life.
This is also why, the more atheistic people become, the more depressed
and miserable they become. It's a statistical fact.
A statistical fact? Seriously?

If it's a statistical fact, you should be able to provide the EVIDENCE proving that it's a fact. Can you? I bet not.

I'm an atheist and I'm highly happy.. So your statement is incorrect.
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How can we ever hope to control our own destiny if everything happens
by chance?
Why do you think anybody can control their own destiny? How incredibly naive.
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In that case we can't hope to control our own suffering and
enjoyment because if our suffering and enjoyment is random it means we
can't do anything about it. That means we are pawns in the hands of
nature with no real influence on the workings of matter, except
through politics and economics.
What the fuck do you thnk science is? Sheesh!
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But who can honestly say that he or she became satisfied by serving
the senses and the senses of loved ones?
Since that's all there is, to want more is to reject reality.
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The path to true satisfaction
lies in giving up ego-centered pursuits
Sez who?



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More evidence for the Dunning-Kruger effect.
What makes a person great?
Actually, only God is great. Everyone else is small,
So, nobody is great, because you ascribe greatness only to
an unproven, fictional character.

Then you unload more off-charter proselytizing.

Troll.

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I'm glad. Who wants to be regarded as intelligent by a bunch of
anti-intellectual retards? :)
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Wow janet I guess you like being made to look very stupid. Yup you are
a masochist.
I'm glad. Who wants to be regarded as intelligent by a bunch of
anti-intellectual retards? :)
Jesper Milkmaid still seems to have me killfiled. He's still scared of me after all these years. I wonder if he killfiles all the women who respond to him.
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Wow janet I guess you like being made to look very stupid. Yup you are
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I'm glad. Who wants to be regarded as intelligent by a bunch of
anti-intellectual retards? :)
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Big Bang?
What appears to have happened is a Creation rather than a BB,
Merely your unevidenced belief.
Rather a belief based on --> solid evidence.
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simply because there is no mechanism that would allow the
Universe to begin in an arbitrary state and then evolve into
the highly ordered state that there is today.
Does the surface of the moon look 'highly ordered' to you?
The Moon serves its function exactly as it was created to do.

Human life would not be here on Earth if the moon was not
there.
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On account of this orderliness, we can precisely predict the path of
celestial bodies and eclipses thousands of years into the future.
Except meteorites, comets and asteroids.
Even some of them are predictable http://www.cometwatch.co.uk/
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Which would not be possible if the origin of the Universe
were the result of an explosion.
It wasn't an explosion. It was an expansion.
Evidence best points to it being a Creation.
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Andrew lied: What appears to have happened is a Creation
rather than a BB, simply because there is no
mechanism that would allow the Universe to
begin in an arbitrary state and then evolve into
the highly ordered state that there is today.
_____________________

Appears to whom?
The big bang happened. There is evidence for it No matter if you think it was the beginning of the universe or not.
___________________


On account of this orderliness, we can precisely
predict the path of celestial bodies and eclipses
thousands of years into the future.
______________________
Because theses things have been observed and tracked.
_________________

Which would not be possible if the origin of
the Universe were the result of an explosion.

______________________

Ignorance of what the big bang was noted.
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Appears to whom?
To thinking people.
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The big bang happened. There is evidence for it No matter if you think it was the beginning of the universe or not.
Because you say so? hahaha :) What evidence might that be, bozo?

--but, but this dude in a lab coat told me so himself. I saw it on
TV.

Atheists always moan and whine about proof and evidence. They seem to
forget that their own belief system, abiogenesis - ie. the funny idea
that matter creates life - is completely unfounded, blind belief. Why
don't atheists demand proof of that?

But this is the double-standard one is forced to accept as an atheist.
Stone-hard and cold facts are required to give credibility to the
opposition, but when it comes to one's own beliefs the same demands
are suddenly not required.

Anyhow, atheists always go on and on about scientific proof and
evidence. So then I offer the scientific proof - that if you maintain
an atheistic mentality, you will experience a lot more suffering and
frustration than if you accept to connect with Krishna. That is a test
anyone can perform and verify - Krishna conciousness brings greater
happiness in life and atheism brings greater misery and suffering in
life.

What people in general don't understand is that life in the material
world is basically one of suffering and frustration. It is so, because
Krishna has made it that way. The reason Krishna has designed it that
way, is because if things were perfect in the material world, the
fallen, lost souls would not want to go back to the spiritual world
and enjoy with Krishna. They would want to stay in the material world
and enjoy the body. Actually, this is what most people want, anyway -
stay in the material world and enjoy their senses. Krishna is even so
kind that a soul in the body of a worm in stool, thinks he is
enjoying. Even the souls living under the most hellish conditions
think they are enjoying. Apart from that, there are the heavenly
planets where the demigods enjoy bodily gratification to the max.
Anyone can go there by being pious, following the process devised by
God.

So the human form of life is a chance for the soul to get rid of all
suffering. A clever person will ask the question, why do I suffer? and
try to get rid of it. The human form of life is a chance for the soul
to get rid of all suffering. Atheism bars the human being from this
opportunity. Atheism just conditions the soul to more suffering.

Krishna says:

From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all
are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But
one who attains to My abode, O son of KuntI, never takes birth again.
(Bg. 8.16)

Humility; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity;
approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness; steadiness;
self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification;
absence of false ego; the perception of the evil of birth, death, old
age and disease; detachment; freedom from entanglement with children,
wife, home and the rest; even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant
events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me; aspiring to live in a
solitary place; detachment from the general mass of people; accepting
the importance of self-realization; and philosophical search for the
Absolute Truth—all these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this
whatever there may be is ignorance. (Bg.13. 8-12)

Note, that the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and
disease is one of the symptoms of knowledge. Most people are
intelligent enough to understand they are suffering. Only animals
don't understand they are suffering. In the human form of life the
soul is given sufficient intelligence by nature to understand he is
suffering. Whether he will admit it here, is another matter.

So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.

Krishna says:

O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.

--Srimad Bhagavatam 11.14.12
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2017-10-31 08:21:05 UTC
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The big bang happened. There is evidence for it No matter if you think it was the beginning of the universe or not.
Because you say so? hahaha :) What evidence might that be, bozo?
From <https://www.big-bang-theory.com/>:


First of all, we are reasonably certain that the universe had a beginning.
Second, galaxies appear to be moving away from us at speeds proportional to their distance. This is called "Hubble's Law," named after Edwin Hubble (1889-1953) who discovered this phenomenon in 1929. This observation supports the expansion of the universe and suggests that the universe was once compacted.
Third, if the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big Bang suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for. Penzias and Wilson shared in the 1978 Nobel Prize for Physics for their discovery.
Finally, the abundance of the "light elements" Hydrogen and Helium found in the observable universe are thought to support the Big Bang model of origins.

And from here: <http://www.schoolsobservatory.org.uk/learn/astro/cosmos/bigbang/bb_evid>

1. Redshift of Galaxies

2. Microwave Background

3. Mixture of Elements

4. Looking back in time


And here <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang#Observational_evidence>

"Observational evidence
5.1Hubble's law and the expansion of space
5.2Cosmic microwave background radiation
5.3Abundance of primordial elements
5.4Galactic evolution and distribution
5.5Primordial gas clouds
5.6Other lines of evidence
5.7
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2017-10-31 19:48:42 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:44:48 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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To thinking people.
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The big bang happened. There is evidence for it No matter if you think it was the beginning of the universe or not.
Because you say so? hahaha :) What evidence might that be, bozo?
--but, but this dude in a lab coat told me so himself. I saw it on
TV.
Atheists always moan and whine about proof and evidence. They seem to
forget that their own belief system, abiogenesis - ie. the funny idea
that matter creates life - is completely unfounded, blind belief. Why
don't atheists demand proof of that?
Showing that Jesper doesn't know beans about abiogenesis. He is so limited by the idea that something with self-awareness is needed to create life that
his 'mind' can't go beyond this. You could explain this to him in words of no more than two syllables, and he still wouldn't understand it - only partly
because he doesn't want to. It is simply beyond his mental capacity. All he
can do is repeat nonsense that makes him feel comfortable. He doesn't have
to understand. He just has to accept, like any religious fanatic.
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But this is the double-standard one is forced to accept as an atheist.
Stone-hard and cold facts are required to give credibility to the
opposition, but when it comes to one's own beliefs the same demands
are suddenly not required.
Anyhow, atheists always go on and on about scientific proof and
evidence. So then I offer the scientific proof - that if you maintain
an atheistic mentality, you will experience a lot more suffering and
frustration than if you accept to connect with Krishna. That is a test
anyone can perform and verify - Krishna conciousness brings greater
happiness in life and atheism brings greater misery and suffering in
life.
What people in general don't understand is that life in the material
world is basically one of suffering and frustration. It is so, because
Krishna has made it that way. The reason Krishna has designed it that
way, is because if things were perfect in the material world, the
fallen, lost souls would not want to go back to the spiritual world
and enjoy with Krishna. They would want to stay in the material world
and enjoy the body. Actually, this is what most people want, anyway -
stay in the material world and enjoy their senses. Krishna is even so
kind that a soul in the body of a worm in stool, thinks he is
enjoying. Even the souls living under the most hellish conditions
think they are enjoying. Apart from that, there are the heavenly
planets where the demigods enjoy bodily gratification to the max.
Anyone can go there by being pious, following the process devised by
God.
So the human form of life is a chance for the soul to get rid of all
suffering. A clever person will ask the question, why do I suffer? and
try to get rid of it. The human form of life is a chance for the soul
to get rid of all suffering. Atheism bars the human being from this
opportunity. Atheism just conditions the soul to more suffering.
From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all
are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But
one who attains to My abode, O son of KuntI, never takes birth again.
(Bg. 8.16)
Humility; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity;
approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness; steadiness;
self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification;
absence of false ego; the perception of the evil of birth, death, old
age and disease; detachment; freedom from entanglement with children,
wife, home and the rest; even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant
events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me; aspiring to live in a
solitary place; detachment from the general mass of people; accepting
the importance of self-realization; and philosophical search for the
Absolute Truth—all these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this
whatever there may be is ignorance. (Bg.13. 8-12)
Note, that the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and
disease is one of the symptoms of knowledge. Most people are
intelligent enough to understand they are suffering. Only animals
don't understand they are suffering. In the human form of life the
soul is given sufficient intelligence by nature to understand he is
suffering. Whether he will admit it here, is another matter.
So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
--Srimad Bhagavatam 11.14.12
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2017-11-01 06:57:01 UTC
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He is so limited by the idea that something with self-awareness is
needed to create life that his 'mind' can't go beyond this.
Whereas you have embraced the unscientific belief that life created
itself.
Mitchell Holman
2017-11-01 11:59:10 UTC
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He is so limited by the idea that something with self-awareness is
needed to create life that his 'mind' can't go beyond this.
Whereas you have embraced the unscientific belief that life created
itself.
Whereas you believe in a god who created himself.
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2017-11-01 13:00:06 UTC
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He is so limited by the idea that something with self-awareness is
needed to create life that his 'mind' can't go beyond this.
Whereas you have embraced the unscientific belief that life created
itself.
Has anybody ever seen this in-your-face liar actually tell the truth?
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Whereas you believe in a god who created himself.
If he said the sky was blue, I'd look out of the window to make sure.

"Life created itself" is a deliberately stupid distortion that is
meant for his fellow creationists - "Either my imaginary magical
superbeing created it, or it created itself".

It emerged naturally, as the result of chemical and physical processes
which broke no scientific laws.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-10-31 20:26:23 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:44:48 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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To thinking people.
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The big bang happened. There is evidence for it No matter if you think it was the beginning of the universe or not.
Because you say so? hahaha :) What evidence might that be, bozo?
Not because I say so, because the evidence gathered by perople who study these things say so, yoou astronomers, cosmologists, scientists, or don't they tell about this stuff in your cult?
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--but, but this dude in a lab coat told me so himself. I saw it on
TV.
Unless you are willfully avoiding such knowledge it is prfetty easy to obtain.
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Atheists always moan and whine about proof and evidence.
No, they ask for confirmation of things that theists say that they can't prove.

They seem to
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forget that their own belief system, abiogenesis - ie. the funny idea
that matter creates life - is completely unfounded, blind belief. Why
don't atheists demand proof of that?
Such evidence has been p[osted here many times. You aren't allowedd to use Google in the cult?
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But this is the double-standard one is forced to accept as an atheist.
Thewre is no double standard. If theists did not deny reality when it conflicts with their beleifs they would not be asked to procve things that most of the world rejrects as fiction.
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Stone-hard and cold facts are required to give credibility to the
opposition, but when it comes to one's own beliefs the same demands
are suddenly not required.
That's just a bald-faced lie. It is you who usually runs away from requests for evidence. It is you who claims somebody has proven something only to link to a person who is a quack or fraud.
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Anyhow, atheists always go on and on about scientific proof and
evidence. So then I offer the scientific proof - that if you maintain
an atheistic mentality, you will experience a lot more suffering and
frustration than if you accept to connect with Krishna. That is a test
anyone can perform and verify - Krishna consciousness brings greater
happiness in life and atheism brings greater misery and suffering in
life.
You have offered nothing close to scientific proof of such claims.
What people, in general, don't understand is that life in the material
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world is basically one of suffering and frustration.
They don't understand it because it is not true. Until you prove there is a non-material world you are making a baseless claim, again.

It is so, because
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Krishna has made it that way.
That's that blue fucker, right? Why couldn't it have Zeus or Jesus or God, or any of the other imaginary gods people believe in with just as much passion and just as little evidence?


Try googling abiogenesis evidence and big bang evidence.
Nobody sits around trying tot think up new ways to make the world believe something untrue, well outside of politics and the IRC anyway.
Andrew
2017-11-01 08:01:43 UTC
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The big bang happened. There is evidence for it
Yes there is evidence for it. But when you look
more closely, you see that the evidence tells you
that it was a Creation rather than a random event.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-11-01 10:00:55 UTC
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If you look up waste of time, there's a picture of Andrew.
Andrew
2017-11-01 12:06:54 UTC
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If you look up waste of time, there's a picture
of Andrew.
In other words you cannot refute what I posted,
which means that your atheistic origins myth is
a deception, and that you have been deceived.
Andrew
2017-11-01 12:22:20 UTC
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If you look up waste of time, there's a picture
of Andrew.
In other words you cannot refute what I posted,
which means that your atheistic origins myth is
a deception, and that you have been deceived.
I failed to mention that since you thus testify that
atheism is a deception, then conversely the truth
is that there really -is- a Creator. He is the most
awesome One.

Thank you.

~ Andrew
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2017-11-01 17:59:10 UTC
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If you look up waste of time, there's a picture
of Andrew.
In other words you cannot refute what I posted,
which means that your atheistic origins myth is
a deception, and that you have been deceived.
I failed to mention that since you thus testify that
atheism is a deception, then conversely the truth
is that there really -is- a Creator. He is the most
awesome One.
"Most awesome" - compared to what?
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2017-11-03 16:02:26 UTC
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He is the most awesome One.
"Most awesome" - compared to what?
It doesn't matter. to these theists, what is important is that
beings capable of rational though bow and scrape like slaves
before their (imaginary) supernatural superbeing, who is supposed
to be so much greater than they are.

That a truly superior being would have no interest in such adulation
never seems to occur to them.

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2017-10-30 19:53:00 UTC
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Big Bang?
What appears to have happened is a Creation
rather than a BB, simply because there is no
mechanism that would allow the Universe to
begin in an arbitrary state and then evolve into
the highly ordered state that there is today.
On account of this orderliness, we can precisely
predict the path of celestial bodies and eclipses
thousands of years into the future.
Which would not be possible if the origin of
the Universe were the result of an explosion.
Really, it ain't all that complex.

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2017-10-30 19:36:30 UTC
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Big Bang?
Do have one, won't you?
Just make it a place where you won't be a troll.
CH, janet only does this to get attention, thusly continuing the
lineage of trolldom in its genealogy, I am sure they were all bat shit
crazy...
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2017-10-30 19:58:50 UTC
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I'm sure Jesper is a loon.

Normally, I ignore it completely.

As I tend to do with Bob, Andrew, Kurt, and now Madjoe. There simply is no point in engaging with them. Their arguments amount to nothing more than the typical theist bullshit, lies, distortions, quote mining, outdated science, and denials.

I see no point in engaging with them. Madjoe is IMO simply a troll who can't be as wrong as he is without effort.

The same applies to the others.

They provoke in order to engage in a battle that can't be won.
You can't win against someone who
just ignores reality.

Being crazy wouldn't allow them to be as completely wrong as they are. Jesper is a true believer and a coward who just runs away when shit gets to real.
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2017-10-30 22:41:25 UTC
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I'm sure Jesper is a loon.
Normally, I ignore it completely.
As I tend to do with Bob, Andrew, Kurt, and now Madjoe. There simply is no point in engaging with them. Their arguments amount to nothing more than the typical theist bullshit, lies, distortions, quote mining, outdated science, and denials.
I see no point in engaging with them. Madjoe is IMO simply a troll who can't be as wrong as he is without effort.
The same applies to the others.
They provoke in order to engage in a battle that can't be won.
You can't win against someone who
just ignores reality.
Being crazy wouldn't allow them to be as completely wrong as they are. Jesper is a true believer and a coward who just runs away when shit gets to real.
They are all very very lonely not to mention they are all masochists.
They fully enjoy being made fun of and being embarrassed. They live
moment to moment hoping the next moment they will be insulted in some
way in order to fill their attention quota for the day
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