Totalitarian proggies

[james g. keegan jr.]

Actually, I could have just written "Proggies", as it is established
beyond dispute that proggies are totalitarian.

"Video: UC-Berkeley Protesters Built a Human Wall to Violently Stop
White Students from Crossing Bridge"

Student protesters at the University of California-Berkeley gathered in
front of a bridge on campus and forcibly prevented white people from
crossing it. Students of color [sic] were allowed to pass.

The massive human wall was conceived as a pro-safe space demonstration.
Activists wanted the university administration to designate additional
safe spaces for trans students, gay students, and students of color.
They were apparently incensed that one of their official safe spaces had
been moved from the fifth floor of a building to the basement.

Rest of story at:
http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/26/video-uc-berkeley-protesters-built-a-hum


The cops, of course, did nothing. What they ought to have done is gassed
the protesters and peppered them with rubber bullets.

This "safe space" bullshit must stop - violently if needed.

[John Baker]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 08:40:00 -0700, "james g. keegan jr."
<***@gmaîl.com> wrote:


Once an idiot, always an idiot...






AA #1898
Giver of No Fucks
Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

[raven1]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 08:40:00 -0700, "james g. keegan jr."

Post by james g. keegan jr.
The cops, of course, did nothing. What they ought to have done is gassed
the protesters and peppered them with rubber bullets.
This "safe space" bullshit must stop - violently if needed.

Spoken like a true Totalitarian.

[Jeanne Douglas]

Post by John Baker
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 08:40:00 -0700, "james g. keegan jr."

Post by james g. keegan jr.
The cops, of course, did nothing. What they ought to have done is gassed
the protesters and peppered them with rubber bullets.
This "safe space" bullshit must stop - violently if needed.

Spoken like a true Totalitarian.

What protestors is he talking about?

[jdyoung]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 12:25:13 -0700, Jeanne Douglas

Post by Jeanne Douglas

Post by John Baker
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 08:40:00 -0700, "james g. keegan jr."

Post by james g. keegan jr.
The cops, of course, did nothing. What they ought to have done is gassed
the protesters and peppered them with rubber bullets.
This "safe space" bullshit must stop - violently if needed.

Spoken like a true Totalitarian.

What protestors is he talking about?

That's not the real Keegan.


J Young
***@ymail.com

http://www.jill2016.com/

[Jeanne Douglas]

Post by jdyoung
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 12:25:13 -0700, Jeanne Douglas

Post by Jeanne Douglas

Post by John Baker
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 08:40:00 -0700, "james g. keegan jr."

Post by james g. keegan jr.
The cops, of course, did nothing. What they ought to have done is gassed
the protesters and peppered them with rubber bullets.
This "safe space" bullshit must stop - violently if needed.

Spoken like a true Totalitarian.

What protestors is he talking about?

That's not the real Keegan.

Who cares?

I want to know what protestors whoever he is is talking about.

[Byker]

Post by james g. keegan jr.
Actually, I could have just written "Proggies", as it is established
beyond dispute that proggies are totalitarian.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/26/video-uc-berkeley-protesters-built-a-hum

Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to exist. Socialism, as a
system, is based upon using force against your fellow citizen that it also
so happens the worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist governments. It is a matter
of, as Milton Friedman said, being true to the values socialism encourages
in those living under that system. Here is a list of the largest killings
in the 20th century of citizens by their own governments:

40-70 million killed. China under Chairman Mao. Single Party Socialism.
1958-61 “The Great Leap Forward”.

20 million killed. USSR under Joseph “socialism in one country” Stalin.
1936-52 “The Great Purge”.

40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.

4 million killed. Cambodia under Pol Pot. Communist. 1975-79.

1.6 million murdered; 4 million killed in hard labor. North Korea under Kim
Il Sung. Independent socialist State.

1.15 million killed. Yugoslavia under Josip ” socialist federation
President” Tito. 1945-65.

1 million total killed. Ethiopia under Menghistu. Communist. 1975-1978
“The Red Terror.”

1 million killed. Indonesia under Suharto. Communist. 1966.

1 million killed from genocide; this does not include war casualties.
Afghanistan under Brezhnev. Communist. 1979 – 1981.

800,000 killed. Rwanda under Jean Kambanda. 1994. Socialist.

The old expression was that “Socialism Breeds Mediocrity, Capitalism Breeds
Exceptionalism.” As the numbers above show you socialism breeds a lot more
than mediocrity.

BTW, Hitler and the Nazis only killed 150,000 of their own German citizens
in the Holocaust. What brings a government to kill its own citizens?
Something so evil even the Nazis didn’t do much of it. Why is it that
powerful central governments have caused so many evils while the freer
countries with smaller governments were spared? The results have arisen
because each system has been true to the values it encourages, supports and
develops in the people who live under that system.

Are you listening, Millennials?

[Siri Cruise]

Post by Byker
Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to exist. Socialism, as a

Uh, bright stuff, force is necessary component of any government. That's the
whole point of government: to coerce people to obey by force if necessary. A
government that cannot compell its will ceases to be a government and is
subsumed by an organisation that can compell its will.

[james g. keegan jr.]

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Byker

Post by james g. keegan jr.
Actually, I could have just written "Proggies", as it is established
beyond dispute that proggies are totalitarian.
"Video: UC-Berkeley Protesters Built a Human Wall to Violently Stop
White Students from Crossing Bridge"
Student protesters at the University of California-Berkeley gathered in
front of a bridge on campus and forcibly prevented white people from
crossing it. Students of color [sic] were allowed to pass.
The massive human wall was conceived as a pro-safe space demonstration.
Activists wanted the university administration to designate additional
safe spaces for trans students, gay students, and students of color.
They were apparently incensed that one of their official safe spaces had
been moved from the fifth floor of a building to the basement.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/26/video-uc-berkeley-protesters-built-a-hum
The cops, of course, did nothing. What they ought to have done is gassed
the protesters and peppered them with rubber bullets.
This "safe space" bullshit must stop - violently if needed.

Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to exist. Socialism, as a
system, is based upon using force against your fellow citizen that it also
so happens the worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist governments.

Uh, bright stuff, force is necessary component of any government. That's the
whole point of government: to coerce people to obey by force if necessary.

Legitimate governments don't have to do very much of that. The
knowledge that the force is available to be applied is usually
sufficient. Illegitimate governments, like what proggies want to foist
upon us, have to use massive force all the time.

Anyway, this isn't about the government - this is about the proggie mob,
your side using illegal force against their opponents.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by james g. keegan jr.

Post by Siri Cruise
Uh, bright stuff, force is necessary component of any government. That's the
whole point of government: to coerce people to obey by force if necessary.

Legitimate governments don't have to do very much of that. The

Pretty much any government doesn't need to use force because humans have evolve
to cooperate in collective activities. However a few people will refuse to
cooperate without compulsion, so every government can coerce.

Post by james g. keegan jr.
sufficient. Illegitimate governments, like what proggies want to foist
upon us, have to use massive force all the time.

What's an 'illegitimate' government? Any you don't like? Got an objective
definition?

Post by james g. keegan jr.
Anyway, this isn't about the government - this is about the proggie mob,
your side using illegal force against their opponents.

My side isn't in Alameda County and doesn't tell the Berkeley Police or Alameda
Sheriff what to do. I haven't heard of any universities in this county have this
kind of nonsense; they're too busy getting a degree to get the megabucks jobs so
they can afford to live here.

[abelard]

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by james g. keegan jr.

Post by Siri Cruise
Uh, bright stuff, force is necessary component of any government. That's the
whole point of government: to coerce people to obey by force if necessary.

Legitimate governments don't have to do very much of that. The

Pretty much any government doesn't need to use force because humans have evolve
to cooperate in collective activities. However a few people will refuse to
cooperate without compulsion, so every government can coerce.

Post by james g. keegan jr.
sufficient. Illegitimate governments, like what proggies want to foist
upon us, have to use massive force all the time.

What's an 'illegitimate' government? Any you don't like? Got an objective
definition?

to give you an entry:-

there is a hierarchy of legitimacy...

forcing a person not to intrude on others....
eg murder, burglary
forcing a person to do something to or for others...
eg pay taxes to allow others to buy their votes with
the dole...
forcing a person not to do something to or for themselves...
eg, thou shalt not ingest heroin or cigarettes...
forcing a person to do something to or for themselves...
eg, dress in public instead of go naked...

it isn't just the force that makes for illegitimacy...

the socialist government of syria is clearly illegitimate...
it's shelling and bombing its 'own' population....
as did the socialist government of libya...
as did the socialist government of irak...

forcing parents to get a child inoculated against deadly
contagious diseases is more complex

[Siri Cruise]

Post by abelard

Post by Siri Cruise
What's an 'illegitimate' government? Any you don't like? Got an objective
definition?

to give you an entry:-
there is a hierarchy of legitimacy...
it isn't just the force that makes for illegitimacy...

Every government is willing to use force. That's a defining characteristic of
government.

[abelard]

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by abelard

Post by Siri Cruise
What's an 'illegitimate' government? Any you don't like? Got an objective
definition?

to give you an entry:-
there is a hierarchy of legitimacy...
it isn't just the force that makes for illegitimacy...

Every government is willing to use force. That's a defining characteristic of
government.

obviously...but that doesn't advance any argument

[Siri Cruise]

Post by abelard

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by abelard

Post by Siri Cruise
What's an 'illegitimate' government? Any you don't like? Got an objective
definition?

to give you an entry:-
there is a hierarchy of legitimacy...
it isn't just the force that makes for illegitimacy...

Every government is willing to use force. That's a defining characteristic of
government.

obviously...but that doesn't advance any argument

Yes, I know.

There is nothing to argue over.

[abelard]

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by abelard

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by abelard

Post by Siri Cruise
What's an 'illegitimate' government? Any you don't like? Got an objective
definition?

to give you an entry:-
there is a hierarchy of legitimacy...
it isn't just the force that makes for illegitimacy...

Every government is willing to use force. That's a defining characteristic of
government.

obviously...but that doesn't advance any argument

Yes, I know.
There is nothing to argue over.

so do you make no distinction/s between legitimate and illegitimate
government??

[Wexford Eire]

Post by james g. keegan jr.

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Byker

Post by james g. keegan jr.
Actually, I could have just written "Proggies", as it is established
beyond dispute that proggies are totalitarian.
"Video: UC-Berkeley Protesters Built a Human Wall to Violently Stop
White Students from Crossing Bridge"
Student protesters at the University of California-Berkeley gathered in
front of a bridge on campus and forcibly prevented white people from
crossing it. Students of color [sic] were allowed to pass.
The massive human wall was conceived as a pro-safe space demonstration.
Activists wanted the university administration to designate additional
safe spaces for trans students, gay students, and students of color.
They were apparently incensed that one of their official safe spaces had
been moved from the fifth floor of a building to the basement.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/26/video-uc-berkeley-protesters-built-a-hum
The cops, of course, did nothing. What they ought to have done is gassed
the protesters and peppered them with rubber bullets.
This "safe space" bullshit must stop - violently if needed.

Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to exist. Socialism, as a
system, is based upon using force against your fellow citizen that it also
so happens the worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist governments.

Uh, bright stuff, force is necessary component of any government. That's the
whole point of government: to coerce people to obey by force if necessary.

Legitimate governments don't have to do very much of that. The
knowledge that the force is available to be applied is usually
sufficient. Illegitimate governments, like what proggies want to foist
upon us, have to use massive force all the time.

What's an illegitimate government? Is someone planning a coup? The only people I see calling for violent overthrow of the government are right wing freaks and more and more Trump deplorables. None of this bothers me very much, but none of these people would have the guts or the talent to organize a proper revolt. Instead, they talk about it, vent and make themselves feel important.

Post by james g. keegan jr.
Anyway, this isn't about the government - this is about the proggie mob,
your side using illegal force against their opponents.

What illegal force?

[Don Kresch]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 16:54:42 -0700, "james g. keegan jr."

Post by james g. keegan jr.

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Byker

Post by james g. keegan jr.
Actually, I could have just written "Proggies", as it is established
beyond dispute that proggies are totalitarian.
"Video: UC-Berkeley Protesters Built a Human Wall to Violently Stop
White Students from Crossing Bridge"
Student protesters at the University of California-Berkeley gathered in
front of a bridge on campus and forcibly prevented white people from
crossing it. Students of color [sic] were allowed to pass.
The massive human wall was conceived as a pro-safe space demonstration.
Activists wanted the university administration to designate additional
safe spaces for trans students, gay students, and students of color.
They were apparently incensed that one of their official safe spaces had
been moved from the fifth floor of a building to the basement.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/26/video-uc-berkeley-protesters-built-a-hum
The cops, of course, did nothing. What they ought to have done is gassed
the protesters and peppered them with rubber bullets.
This "safe space" bullshit must stop - violently if needed.

Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to exist. Socialism, as a
system, is based upon using force against your fellow citizen that it also
so happens the worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist governments.

Uh, bright stuff, force is necessary component of any government. That's the
whole point of government: to coerce people to obey by force if necessary.

Legitimate governments don't have to do very much of that.

There's no such thing as a legitimate government.


Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by Don Kresch
There's no such thing as a legitimate government.

All a government has to do is pass a law declaring it to be the government. Then
it's a legitmate government by internal definition until the next government.

[Don Kresch]

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Don Kresch
There's no such thing as a legitimate government.

All a government has to do is pass a law declaring it to be the government.

That makes it legitimate how? Because unless you want to say
that passing a law which makes rape ok then makes rape ok--I don't
think you're going to be able to support your claim with any sort of
straight face.


Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by Don Kresch

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Don Kresch
There's no such thing as a legitimate government.

All a government has to do is pass a law declaring it to be the government.

That makes it legitimate how? Because unless you want to say
that passing a law which makes rape ok then makes rape ok--I don't
think you're going to be able to support your claim with any sort of
straight face.

legitimate
adjective
conforming to the law or to rules: his claims to legitimate authority.

When a government creates the laws and rules to declare it is legitimate, it is
legitimate. Until the next goverment creates the laws and rules to declare that
one is legitimate.

[Don Kresch]

Post by james g. keegan jr.

Post by Don Kresch

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Don Kresch
There's no such thing as a legitimate government.

All a government has to do is pass a law declaring it to be the government.

That makes it legitimate how? Because unless you want to say
that passing a law which makes rape ok then makes rape ok--I don't
think you're going to be able to support your claim with any sort of
straight face.

legitimate
adjective

So a law which makes rape ok would then make rape
ok--according to you. Great. That's just great. Tell women that.

Post by james g. keegan jr.
When a government creates the laws and rules to declare it is legitimate, it is
legitimate.

No, no it's not. That's like a book claiming that there is a
god, and we know that there is a god because the book says so.


Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by Don Kresch

Post by james g. keegan jr.

Post by Don Kresch

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Don Kresch
There's no such thing as a legitimate government.

All a government has to do is pass a law declaring it to be the government.

That makes it legitimate how? Because unless you want to say
that passing a law which makes rape ok then makes rape ok--I don't
think you're going to be able to support your claim with any sort of
straight face.

legitimate
adjective

So a law which makes rape ok would then make rape
ok--according to you. Great. That's just great. Tell women that.

There's a flag on the post--illegal substitution of a word. Ten yard penalty.

You really don't have a handle on this 'logic' thing.

The word we were using was 'legitimate', not 'okay'. Mohammed had a revelation
of convenience that raping wives of prisoners of wars was legal and not
adultery. So, yes, Daesh raping everyone is legitimate according to the laws of
the Koran.

And, yes, tell women that. Especially the english teenage morons who go husband
hunting in Syria.

Post by Don Kresch

Post by james g. keegan jr.
When a government creates the laws and rules to declare it is legitimate, it is
legitimate.

No, no it's not. That's like a book claiming that there is a
god, and we know that there is a god because the book says so.

No, idiot. The word 'legitimate' is defined relative to the laws of a
government. Anything its laws says is legal is legitimate in its jurisdiction.
At least until the next government lines everybody up against the wall.

A god is not defined by some book, any more than a person is defined by a
biography. Clockwork Orange is a biogray of Alex; does that mean Alex exists? Do
Woodward and Bernstein who appear in a different book exist?


alt.atheist idiots. You wouldn't know logic, mathematics, or experimental
science if it stood in front of you and kneed you in the groin.


Apply killfiles, piss out some face saving retorts, and run away as usual.

[Don Kresch]

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Don Kresch

Post by james g. keegan jr.

Post by Don Kresch

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Don Kresch
There's no such thing as a legitimate government.

All a government has to do is pass a law declaring it to be the government.

That makes it legitimate how? Because unless you want to say
that passing a law which makes rape ok then makes rape ok--I don't
think you're going to be able to support your claim with any sort of
straight face.

legitimate
adjective

So a law which makes rape ok would then make rape
ok--according to you. Great. That's just great. Tell women that.

There's a flag on the post--illegal substitution of a word.

No, no there isn't. It's YOUR reasoning. Anything a government
makes into law is legitimate, REMEMBER? "Conforming to the law or to
rules". Ergo: if it is law, it is legitimate. And legitimate is ok.
Because if it's not ok, then why support government?

You're not good at this, are you?

Post by Siri Cruise

Post by Don Kresch

Post by james g. keegan jr.
When a government creates the laws and rules to declare it is legitimate, it is
legitimate.

No, no it's not. That's like a book claiming that there is a
god, and we know that there is a god because the book says so.

No,

Yes, idiot. It's circular reasoning, idiot.

Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.

[frederick]

All those countries are dictatorships.

India has socialism, isn't a dictatorship, and seems to be doing fine.

Also communism != socialism.

[Rudy Canoza]

Post by frederick
All those countries are dictatorships.
India has socialism, isn't a dictatorship, and seems to be doing fine.

India is becoming less and less socialist all the time, and *that* is
the reason it is beginning - decades later than it should have taken -
to do fine.

[Don Kresch]

Post by frederick
All those countries are dictatorships.
India has socialism, isn't a dictatorship, and seems to be doing fine.
Also communism != socialism.

Marx and Engels used communism and socialism interchangeably.
And communism IS a form of socialism.

Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by Don Kresch

Post by frederick
All those countries are dictatorships.
India has socialism, isn't a dictatorship, and seems to be doing fine.
Also communism != socialism.

Marx and Engels used communism and socialism interchangeably.
And communism IS a form of socialism.
Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.

Bob is commie perversion of Eris.

[Dan S. MacAbre]

Post by Byker

Post by james g. keegan jr.
Actually, I could have just written "Proggies", as it is established
beyond dispute that proggies are totalitarian.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/26/video-uc-berkeley-protesters-built-a-hum

Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to exist. Socialism, as a
system, is based upon using force against your fellow citizen that it also
so happens the worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist governments. It is a matter
of, as Milton Friedman said, being true to the values socialism encourages
in those living under that system. Here is a list of the largest killings
40-70 million killed. China under Chairman Mao. Single Party Socialism.
1958-61 “The Great Leap Forward”.
20 million killed. USSR under Joseph “socialism in one country” Stalin.
1936-52 “The Great Purge”.
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.
4 million killed. Cambodia under Pol Pot. Communist. 1975-79.
1.6 million murdered; 4 million killed in hard labor. North Korea under Kim
Il Sung. Independent socialist State.
1.15 million killed. Yugoslavia under Josip ” socialist federation
President” Tito. 1945-65.
1 million total killed. Ethiopia under Menghistu. Communist. 1975-1978
“The Red Terror.”
1 million killed. Indonesia under Suharto. Communist. 1966.
1 million killed from genocide; this does not include war casualties.
Afghanistan under Brezhnev. Communist. 1979 – 1981.
800,000 killed. Rwanda under Jean Kambanda. 1994. Socialist.
The old expression was that “Socialism Breeds Mediocrity, Capitalism Breeds
Exceptionalism.” As the numbers above show you socialism breeds a lot more
than mediocrity.
BTW, Hitler and the Nazis only killed 150,000 of their own German citizens
in the Holocaust. What brings a government to kill its own citizens?
Something so evil even the Nazis didn’t do much of it. Why is it that
powerful central governments have caused so many evils while the freer
countries with smaller governments were spared? The results have arisen
because each system has been true to the values it encourages, supports and
develops in the people who live under that system.
Are you listening, Millennials?

I think the original idea was to kill off the Lumpenproletariat, but I'd
never have imagined there were so many.

[Rudy Canoza]

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Byker

Post by james g. keegan jr.
Actually, I could have just written "Proggies", as it is established
beyond dispute that proggies are totalitarian.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/26/video-uc-berkeley-protesters-built-a-hum

Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to exist. Socialism, as a
system, is based upon using force against your fellow citizen that it also
so happens the worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist governments. It is a matter
of, as Milton Friedman said, being true to the values socialism encourages
in those living under that system. Here is a list of the largest killings
40-70 million killed. China under Chairman Mao. Single Party Socialism.
1958-61 “The Great Leap Forward”.
20 million killed. USSR under Joseph “socialism in one country” Stalin.
1936-52 “The Great Purge”.
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.
4 million killed. Cambodia under Pol Pot. Communist. 1975-79.
1.6 million murdered; 4 million killed in hard labor. North Korea under Kim
Il Sung. Independent socialist State.
1.15 million killed. Yugoslavia under Josip ” socialist federation
President” Tito. 1945-65.
1 million total killed. Ethiopia under Menghistu. Communist. 1975-1978
“The Red Terror.”
1 million killed. Indonesia under Suharto. Communist. 1966.
1 million killed from genocide; this does not include war casualties.
Afghanistan under Brezhnev. Communist. 1979 – 1981.
800,000 killed. Rwanda under Jean Kambanda. 1994. Socialist.
The old expression was that “Socialism Breeds Mediocrity, Capitalism Breeds
Exceptionalism.” As the numbers above show you socialism breeds a lot more
than mediocrity.
BTW, Hitler and the Nazis only killed 150,000 of their own German citizens
in the Holocaust. What brings a government to kill its own citizens?
Something so evil even the Nazis didn’t do much of it. Why is it that
powerful central governments have caused so many evils while the freer
countries with smaller governments were spared? The results have arisen
because each system has been true to the values it encourages, supports and
develops in the people who live under that system.
Are you listening, Millennials?

I think the original idea was to kill off the Lumpenproletariat, but I'd
never have imagined there were so many.

No, the idea was to slaughter the bourgeoisie, but the problem was
plenty of Lumpen thought they were bourgeois, too.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Byker
Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to
exist. Socialism, as a system, is based upon using force
against your fellow citizen that it also so happens the
worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist governments.
It is a matter of, as Milton Friedman said, being true to
the values socialism encourages in those living under
that system. Here is a list of the largest killings in
40-70 million killed. China under Chairman Mao. Single
Party Socialism. 1958-61 â?oThe Great Leap Forwardâ?.
20 million killed. USSR under Joseph â?osocialism in one
countryâ? Stalin. 1936-52 â?oThe Great Purgeâ?.

BS

Post by Byker
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.

BS

This commy porn is addled.

[Byker]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Byker
20 million killed. USSR under Joseph â?osocialism in one
countryâ? Stalin. 1936-52 â?oThe Great Purgeâ?.

BS

Post by Byker
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.

BS
This commy porn is addled.

"Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million 'unnatural
deaths' during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin.
In 'Europe A History,' British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million
killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties."
http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789

http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm#Stalin

http://historyofrussia.org/stalin-killed-how-many-people/

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/world/major-soviet-paper-says-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html

https://www.quora.com/We-know-that-Stalin-killed-60-million-are-the-27-million-people-who-died-in-WW2-counted-with-them-How-many-of-them-were-killed-in-the-civil-war

[Oleg Smirnov]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Byker
20 million killed. USSR under Joseph â?osocialism in one
countryâ? Stalin. 1936-52 â?oThe Great Purgeâ?.

BS

Post by Byker
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.

BS
This commy porn is addled.

"Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62
million 'unnatural deaths' during that period, with 34 to
49 million directly linked to Stalin. In 'Europe A
History,' British historian Norman Davies counted 50
million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime
casualties."
http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789
http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm#Stalin
http://historyofrussia.org/stalin-killed-how-many-people/
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/world/major-soviet-paper-says-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html
https://www.quora.com/We-know-that-Stalin-killed-60-million-are-the-27-million-people-who-died-in-WW2-counted-with-them-How-many-of-them-were-killed-in-the-civil-war

<http://archive.is/XzXY7>

[Rudy Canoza]

Post by Byker
Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to
exist. Socialism, as a system, is based upon using force
against your fellow citizen that it also so happens the
worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist governments.
It is a matter of, as Milton Friedman said, being true to
the values socialism encourages in those living under
that system. Here is a list of the largest killings in
40-70 million killed. China under Chairman Mao. Single
Party Socialism. 1958-61 �?oThe Great Leap Forward�?�.
20 million killed. USSR under Joseph �?osocialism in one
country�?� Stalin. 1936-52 �?oThe Great Purge�?�.

BS

No, it isn't.

Post by Byker
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.

BS

Possibly an exaggeration, but it still numbered into the many millions.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Rudy Canoza

Byker the Shithead,

Post by Byker
Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to
exist. Socialism, as a system, is based upon using force
against your fellow citizen that it also so happens the
worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist
governments. It is a matter of, as Milton Friedman
said, being true to the values socialism encourages in
those living under that system. Here is a list of the
largest killings in the 20th century of citizens by
their own governments: 40-70 million killed. China
under Chairman Mao. Single Party Socialism. 1958-61
â?oThe Great Leap Forwardâ?. 20 million killed. USSR under Joseph
â?osocialism in one
countryâ? Stalin. 1936-52 â?oThe Great Purgeâ?.

BS

No, it isn't.

Post by Byker
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.

BS

Possibly an exaggeration, but it still numbered into the
many millions.

Anyone with a little specific knowledge in combination with elementary
demographic considerations could quickly figure out that such numbers are
absolutely unreliable.

The issue is not only about the fact that most of you are ignorant and
impenetrably stupid, the real issue is that the Soviet / commy topic for
you is in fact nothing but a sort of porn - ie a tool for masturbation, -
and so any references to the reality look like someone is trying to take
away your favorite masturbation toys, what you are greatly upset of.

[abelard]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Rudy Canoza

Byker the Shithead,

Post by Byker
Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to
exist. Socialism, as a system, is based upon using force
against your fellow citizen that it also so happens the
worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist
governments. It is a matter of, as Milton Friedman
said, being true to the values socialism encourages in
those living under that system. Here is a list of the
largest killings in the 20th century of citizens by
their own governments: 40-70 million killed. China
under Chairman Mao. Single Party Socialism. 1958-61
â?oThe Great Leap Forwardâ??. 20 million killed. USSR under Joseph
â?osocialism in one
countryâ?? Stalin. 1936-52 â?oThe Great Purgeâ??.

BS

No, it isn't.

Post by Byker
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.

BS

Possibly an exaggeration, but it still numbered into the
many millions.

Anyone with a little specific knowledge in combination with elementary
demographic considerations could quickly figure out that such numbers are
absolutely unreliable.
The issue is not only about the fact that most of you are ignorant and
impenetrably stupid, the real issue is that the Soviet / commy topic for
you is in fact nothing but a sort of porn - ie a tool for masturbation, -
and so any references to the reality look like someone is trying to take
away your favorite masturbation toys, what you are greatly upset of.

instead of kontinually claiming others are wrong...

why don't you post what you believe is correct...and why...

[Oleg Smirnov]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 09:34:49 -0000, "Oleg Smirnov"

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Rudy Canoza

Byker the Shithead,

Post by Byker
Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to
exist. Socialism, as a system, is based upon using
force
against your fellow citizen that it also so happens
the
worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist
governments. It is a matter of, as Milton Friedman
said, being true to the values socialism encourages in
those living under that system. Here is a list of the
largest killings in the 20th century of citizens by
their own governments: 40-70 million killed. China
under Chairman Mao. Single Party Socialism. 1958-61
â?oThe Great Leap Forwardâ??. 20 million killed. USSR
under Joseph â?osocialism in one
countryâ?? Stalin. 1936-52 â?oThe Great Purgeâ??.

BS

No, it isn't.

Post by Byker
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.

BS

Possibly an exaggeration, but it still numbered into the
many millions.

Anyone with a little specific knowledge in combination
with elementary demographic considerations could quickly
figure out that such numbers are absolutely unreliable.

".. absolutely unrealistic"

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The issue is not only about the fact that most of you
are ignorant and impenetrably stupid, the real issue is
that the Soviet / commy topic for you is in fact nothing
but a sort of porn - ie a tool for masturbation, - and
so any references to the reality look like someone is
trying to take away your favorite masturbation toys,
what you are greatly upset of.

instead of kontinually claiming others are wrong...
why don't you post what you believe is correct...and why...

Fuck off, grannie, I've given the link next message.

[abelard]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 09:34:49 -0000, "Oleg Smirnov"

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Rudy Canoza

Byker the Shithead,

Post by Byker
Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to
exist. Socialism, as a system, is based upon using
force
against your fellow citizen that it also so happens
the
worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist
governments. It is a matter of, as Milton Friedman
said, being true to the values socialism encourages in
those living under that system. Here is a list of the
largest killings in the 20th century of citizens by
their own governments: 40-70 million killed. China
under Chairman Mao. Single Party Socialism. 1958-61
â?oThe Great Leap Forwardâ??. 20 million killed. USSR
under Joseph â?osocialism in one
countryâ?? Stalin. 1936-52 â?oThe Great Purgeâ??.

BS

No, it isn't.

Post by Byker
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.

BS

Possibly an exaggeration, but it still numbered into the
many millions.

Anyone with a little specific knowledge in combination
with elementary demographic considerations could quickly
figure out that such numbers are absolutely unreliable.

".. absolutely unrealistic"

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The issue is not only about the fact that most of you
are ignorant and impenetrably stupid, the real issue is
that the Soviet / commy topic for you is in fact nothing
but a sort of porn - ie a tool for masturbation, - and
so any references to the reality look like someone is
trying to take away your favorite masturbation toys,
what you are greatly upset of.

instead of kontinually claiming others are wrong...
why don't you post what you believe is correct...and why...

Fuck off, grannie, I've given the link next message.

so, as usual...you can't

[Byker]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Anyone with a little specific knowledge in combination with elementary
demographic considerations could quickly figure out that such numbers are
absolutely unreliable.

Yet the figures of 45-80 million dead under Mao generally go uncontested:
http://tinyurl.com/h6laluz

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2010/09/systematic-genocide/

https://www.quora.com/How-did-Mao-manage-to-kill-78-million-people

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/11/the-cultural-revolution-50-years-on-all-you-need-to-know-about-chinas-political-convulsion

Just as the Russians continue to venerate Stalin, the Chinese still revere
Mao...

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Byker

Post by Oleg Smirnov
Anyone with a little specific knowledge in combination
with elementary demographic considerations could quickly
figure out that such numbers are absolutely unreliable.

Yet the figures of 45-80 million dead under Mao generally
go uncontested: http://tinyurl.com/h6laluz
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2010/09/systematic-genocide/
https://www.quora.com/How-did-Mao-manage-to-kill-78-million-people
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/11/the-cultural-revolution-50-years-on-all-you-need-to-know-about-chinas-political-convulsion
Just as the Russians continue to venerate Stalin, the
Chinese still revere Mao...

The reasons a part of the Russians 'venerate'
Stalin are related to the WW2, so say thanks to
the Western (not 'German') Nazism.

[Siri Cruise]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The reasons a part of the Russians 'venerate'
Stalin are related to the WW2, so say thanks to

Dopey here doesn't know about Stalin becoming Hitler's ally in return for a part
of Poland and a free hand in Finland.

[Byker]

The reasons a part of the Russians 'venerate' Stalin are related to the
WW2, so say thanks to the Western (not 'German') Nazism.

Ostensibly they forgave him for the Holomodor (2.4 to 7.5 million dead)
1932-33

During 1937 and 1938, the NKVD detained 1,548,366 persons, of whom 681,692
were shot – an average of 1,000 executions a day (in comparison, the
Czarists executed 3,932 persons for political crimes from 1825 to 1910 – an
average of less than 1 execution per week)

And, of course, Katyn (1940)

All before they had to fight off the Nazis...

[Dan S. MacAbre]

Post by Byker

The reasons a part of the Russians 'venerate' Stalin are related to the
WW2, so say thanks to the Western (not 'German') Nazism.

Ostensibly they forgave him for the Holomodor (2.4 to 7.5 million dead)
1932-33
During 1937 and 1938, the NKVD detained 1,548,366 persons, of whom
681,692 were shot – an average of 1,000 executions a day (in comparison,
the Czarists executed 3,932 persons for political crimes from 1825 to
1910 – an average of less than 1 execution per week)
And, of course, Katyn (1940)
All before they had to fight off the Nazis...

I read somewhere that the NKVD were a few miles behind the front line
soldiers firing in the direction of any who weren't advancing quickly
enough.

[Byker]

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
I read somewhere that the NKVD were a few miles behind the front line
soldiers firing in the direction of any who weren't advancing quickly
enough.

Ah, yes, the Penal Battalions.

Defection was a serious problem in the Red Army, particularly in the first
year of the war, and the Soviets countered it with their own form of
military terrorism.

The penal units (not only battalions) were used widely and were not allowed
weapons until they entered the line. They often attacked through minefields
as "tramplers", whose bodies by the hundreds marked the passage of the Red
Army through a field.

Every Soviet attack on the Eastern Front was spearheaded by penal
battalions. Those battalions of the damned were the most expendable of the
Red Army. After the Red Army’s penal battalions were sprawled in ripped and
torn bloody heaps all over the battlefield, the Soviet regular infantry
advanced into the devastating fire of German MG-42s. Only when the field was
completely covered in Soviet corpses and a small breakthrough had been
achieved, did the Soviet Guards Divisions advance, wading and sloshing
through piles of corpses and great pools of blood.

Advance or be shot: http://ukrainianweek.com/History/33990

Forum: http://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12024

[Oleg Smirnov]

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message

The reasons a part of the Russians 'venerate' Stalin are
related to the WW2, so say thanks to the Western (not
'German') Nazism.

Ostensibly they forgave him for the Holomodor (2.4 to 7.5
million dead) 1932-33
During 1937 and 1938, the NKVD detained 1,548,366
persons, of whom 681,692 were shot - an average of 1,000
executions a day (in comparison, the Czarists executed
3,932 persons for political crimes from 1825 to 1910 - an
average of less than 1 execution per week)
And, of course, Katyn (1940)
All before they had to fight off the Nazis...

Regard to Stalin in Russia is a natural reaction to the Atlanticist
pressure since the US is a sort of Nazi <http://archive.is/wRmDa>, and
if the things go to war then such 'stongmen' are in demand.

[Rudy Canoza]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message

The reasons a part of the Russians 'venerate' Stalin are
related to the WW2, so say thanks to the Western (not
'German') Nazism.

Ostensibly they forgave him for the Holomodor (2.4 to 7.5
million dead) 1932-33
During 1937 and 1938, the NKVD detained 1,548,366
persons, of whom 681,692 were shot - an average of 1,000
executions a day (in comparison, the Czarists executed
3,932 persons for political crimes from 1825 to 1910 - an
average of less than 1 execution per week)
And, of course, Katyn (1940)
All before they had to fight off the Nazis...

Regard to Stalin in Russia is a natural reaction to the Atlanticist
pressure since the US is a sort of Nazi

Bullshit. Fuck off.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Byker
All before they had to fight off the Nazis...

Regard to Stalin in Russia is a natural reaction to the
Atlanticist pressure since the US is a sort of Nazi

Bullshit. Fuck off.

The US regime cultivates the supremacist doctrine of 'exceptionalism'
<http://archive.is/wRmDa> and under cover of jingoistic romance
('promotion of democracy', 'responsibility to protect' etc) it pursues
aggressive agenda in the foreign affairs, bringing profoundly
destructive results to the world <http://archive.is/diBUV>. This is
similar to the doctrine of supremacy and aggressive warmongering of
those 'classical' Nazi. Also, there are bold double standards,
Goebbels-style lies in the propaganda (especially under Obama years),
the populace is well-brainwashed while the policymakers and
ideologists are delusional, possessed maniacs. So it's reasonable to
consider the US regime a kind of [modified] Nazism.

[Wexford Eire]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Byker
All before they had to fight off the Nazis...

Regard to Stalin in Russia is a natural reaction to the
Atlanticist pressure since the US is a sort of Nazi

Bullshit. Fuck off.

The US regime cultivates the supremacist doctrine of 'exceptionalism'
<http://archive.is/wRmDa> and under cover of jingoistic romance
('promotion of democracy', 'responsibility to protect' etc) it pursues
aggressive agenda in the foreign affairs, bringing profoundly
destructive results to the world <http://archive.is/diBUV>. This is
similar to the doctrine of supremacy and aggressive warmongering of
those 'classical' Nazi. Also, there are bold double standards,
Goebbels-style lies in the propaganda (especially under Obama years),
the populace is well-brainwashed while the policymakers and
ideologists are delusional, possessed maniacs. So it's reasonable to
consider the US regime a kind of [modified] Nazism.

OK. You're out of your mind. Go see your doctor; tell him you're confused and need help.

[Oleg Smirnov]

Post by Wexford Eire

Post by Oleg Smirnov
The US regime cultivates the supremacist doctrine of 'exceptionalism'
<http://archive.is/wRmDa> and under cover of jingoistic romance ('promotion
of democracy', 'responsibility to protect' etc) it pursues aggressive
agenda in the foreign affairs, bringing profoundly destructive results to
the world <http://archive.is/diBUV>. This is similar to the doctrine of
supremacy and aggressive warmongering of those 'classical' Nazi. Also,
there are bold double standards, Goebbels-style lies in the propaganda
(especially under Obama years), the populace is well-brainwashed while the
policymakers and ideologists are delusional, possessed maniacs. So it's
reasonable to consider the US regime a kind of [modified] Nazism.

OK. You're out of your mind. Go see your doctor; tell him you're confused and need help.

It's a hard truth for you sheep while I'm pretty fine.

[Byker]

Goebbels-style lies in the propaganda (especially under Obama years), the
populace is well-brainwashed while the policymakers and ideologists are
delusional, possessed maniacs.

Sounds like Putin and his cronies...

[Siri Cruise]

Post by Oleg Smirnov
if the things go to war then such 'stongmen' are in demand.

Churchill was a 'strongman'?

Roosevelt who couldn't even walk was a 'strongman'?

[Joe Cooper]

Post by Byker
Yet the figures of 45-80 million dead under Mao generally go
uncontested: http://tinyurl.com/h6laluz

Most of whom vote Democratic Party these days...

[Siri Cruise]

Post by Oleg Smirnov

Post by Byker
Force is a necessary pre-requisite for socialism to
exist. Socialism, as a system, is based upon using force
against your fellow citizen that it also so happens the
worst atrocities visited upon citizens by their own
governments have been inflicted by socialist governments.
It is a matter of, as Milton Friedman said, being true to
the values socialism encourages in those living under
that system. Here is a list of the largest killings in
40-70 million killed. China under Chairman Mao. Single
Party Socialism. 1958-61 â?oThe Great Leap Forwardâ?.
20 million killed. USSR under Joseph â?osocialism in one
countryâ? Stalin. 1936-52 â?oThe Great Purgeâ?.

BS

Post by Byker
40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.

BS
This commy porn is addled.

You're right. I heard 60 million.

[Malcolm McMahon]

Post by james g. keegan jr.
Actually, I could have just written "Proggies", as it is established
beyond dispute that proggies are totalitarian.

Of course we're talking students here, not grown-ups. Young people will take whatever ideology is at hand and blow it out of proportion.

[Ministry of Vengeance and Vendettas]

Post by james g. keegan jr.
Actually, I could have just written "Proggies", as it is established
beyond dispute that proggies are totalitarian.
"Video: UC-Berkeley Protesters Built a Human Wall to Violently Stop
White Students from Crossing Bridge"
Student protesters at the University of California-Berkeley gathered in
front of a bridge on campus and forcibly prevented white people from
crossing it. Students of color [sic] were allowed to pass.
The massive human wall was conceived as a pro-safe space demonstration.
Activists wanted the university administration to designate additional
safe spaces for trans students, gay students, and students of color.
They were apparently incensed that one of their official safe spaces had
been moved from the fifth floor of a building to the basement.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/26/video-uc-berkeley-protesters-built-a-hum
The cops, of course, did nothing. What they ought to have done is gassed
the protesters and peppered them with rubber bullets.
This "safe space" bullshit must stop - violently if needed.

ff these cocksuckers want segregation back we should give it to them.