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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed

http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm

(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence

Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus, Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho, Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD 200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus, Moses had founded cities, established a temple and religious cult, and issued laws:
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE), portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court. According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old, "tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he describes various stages in its development: from the first stage, including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image. His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76] Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses, advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the Covenant was first moved into the newly built temple:
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which God spake to Moses in Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage, temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king, Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria, wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life of Jesus . . . "[79]:194 He describes his background:
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet. Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165 AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts. Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."


(6)Chris Lee tells another lie

Here is what he said

" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
Here is what the 14th amendment says:

14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES

There is Nothing there about religion or politics.

Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.

(7)Lee lies about British history

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ

(8)Lee Lies about evolution

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE

(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Ted
2017-10-22 15:31:07 UTC
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus, Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho, Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD 200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE), portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court. According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old, "tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he describes various stages in its development: from the first stage, including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image. His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76] Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses, advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage, temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king, Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet. Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165 AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts. Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
Size: 3 KB
Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
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Lies By cHRISTOPHER lEE
(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
The proven serial liar has twisted what I said - that there is no
evidence outside Christian tradition, therefore no reason to assume he
did.
Post by Ted
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http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
None of which stands up to the slightest scrutiny.

There is a standard list which originated with one or more dishonest
apologists, none of which (even if genuine, which is itself doubtful)
mention Jesus per se - just Christians as followers of Christ.

Which would have been Paul's spirit Christ because the Gospels hadn't
yet been written.

The _only_ "early" mention of Jesus would be in Josephus (again, if it
were genuine) but this is clearly a later Christian alteration. The
second minor mention of Jesus as the brother of James who was
executed, is also doubtful because Christian historians describe a
different death.

But in any case, the obvious larger forgery is enough to cast doubt on
this, anyway.

I have never seen him or any other Christian address the obvious
problems.

But then they don't do that with objections to their first cause
arguments, nor to their attacks on research into abiogenesis

They seem to imagine just saying something is evidence, makes it so -
when it actually has to be defended as such.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek
influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE...
No need to read any more.

This is at least a thousand years after the claimed events.

And he imagines this somehow "proves" that I and others were lying
when we cited Israeli archaeologists and their reasons for saying
there were no Moses and Exodus.
Post by Ted
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
He seems to have a hard-on for people who don't let him get away with
his bullshit.
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2017-10-22 23:05:28 UTC
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Lies By cHRISTOPHER lEE
(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
The proven serial liar has twisted what I said - that there is no
evidence outside Christian tradition, therefore no reason to assume he
did.
Post by Ted
Post by v***@gmail.com
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
None of which stands up to the slightest scrutiny.
There is a standard list which originated with one or more dishonest
apologists, none of which (even if genuine, which is itself doubtful)
mention Jesus per se - just Christians as followers of Christ.
Which would have been Paul's spirit Christ because the Gospels hadn't
yet been written.
The _only_ "early" mention of Jesus would be in Josephus (again, if it
were genuine) but this is clearly a later Christian alteration. The
second minor mention of Jesus as the brother of James who was
executed, is also doubtful because Christian historians describe a
different death.
But in any case, the obvious larger forgery is enough to cast doubt on
this, anyway.
I have never seen him or any other Christian address the obvious
problems.
But then they don't do that with objections to their first cause
arguments, nor to their attacks on research into abiogenesis
They seem to imagine just saying something is evidence, makes it so -
when it actually has to be defended as such.
Post by Ted
Post by v***@gmail.com
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek
influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE...
No need to read any more.
This is at least a thousand years after the claimed events.
And he imagines this somehow "proves" that I and others were lying
when we cited Israeli archaeologists and their reasons for saying
there were no Moses and Exodus.
Post by Ted
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
He seems to have a hard-on for people who don't let him get away with
his bullshit.
https://tinyurl.com/y8qj2z9t
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2017-10-22 23:52:46 UTC
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Art posts another link to someone not lying.

Another instance of him lying about lying since even though he has posted the definition of what lying is, he seems not to understand what a lie actually is.

This would indicate that he did not understand the definition or he just doesn't give a damn as long as he thinks the people he calls liar are his enemies.
IOW anyone who disagrees with HIS lies.
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Art posts another link to someone not lying.
Another instance of him lying about lying since even though he has posted the definition of what lying is, he seems not to understand what a lie actually is.
This would indicate that he did not understand the definition or he just doesn't give a damn as long as he thinks the people he calls liar are his enemies.
IOW anyone who disagrees with HIS lies.
https://tinyurl.com/kw9jvq6
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2017-10-22 23:34:11 UTC
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Lies By cHRISTOPHER lEE
(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
The proven serial liar has twisted what I said - that there is no
evidence outside Christian tradition, therefore no reason to assume he
did.
Post by Ted
Post by v***@gmail.com
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
None of which stands up to the slightest scrutiny.
There is a standard list which originated with one or more dishonest
apologists, none of which (even if genuine, which is itself doubtful)
mention Jesus per se - just Christians as followers of Christ.
Which would have been Paul's spirit Christ because the Gospels hadn't
yet been written.
The _only_ "early" mention of Jesus would be in Josephus (again, if it
were genuine) but this is clearly a later Christian alteration. The
second minor mention of Jesus as the brother of James who was
executed, is also doubtful because Christian historians describe a
different death.
But in any case, the obvious larger forgery is enough to cast doubt on
this, anyway.
I have never seen him or any other Christian address the obvious
problems.
But then they don't do that with objections to their first cause
arguments, nor to their attacks on research into abiogenesis
They seem to imagine just saying something is evidence, makes it so -
when it actually has to be defended as such.
Post by Ted
Post by v***@gmail.com
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek
influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE...
No need to read any more.
This is at least a thousand years after the claimed events.
And he imagines this somehow "proves" that I and others were lying
when we cited Israeli archaeologists and their reasons for saying
there were no Moses and Exodus.
Post by Ted
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
He seems to have a hard-on for people who don't let him get away with
his bullshit.
I think you're right. He resents your level of knowledge and accuracy of
recollection and so insists you're lying when everything you explain is
precisely and entirely true.
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Lies By cHRISTOPHER lEE
(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
The proven serial liar has twisted what I said - that there is no
evidence outside Christian tradition, therefore no reason to assume he
did.
Post by Ted
Post by v***@gmail.com
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
None of which stands up to the slightest scrutiny.
There is a standard list which originated with one or more dishonest
apologists, none of which (even if genuine, which is itself doubtful)
mention Jesus per se - just Christians as followers of Christ.
Which would have been Paul's spirit Christ because the Gospels hadn't
yet been written.
The _only_ "early" mention of Jesus would be in Josephus (again, if it
were genuine) but this is clearly a later Christian alteration. The
second minor mention of Jesus as the brother of James who was
executed, is also doubtful because Christian historians describe a
different death.
But in any case, the obvious larger forgery is enough to cast doubt on
this, anyway.
I have never seen him or any other Christian address the obvious
problems.
But then they don't do that with objections to their first cause
arguments, nor to their attacks on research into abiogenesis
They seem to imagine just saying something is evidence, makes it so -
when it actually has to be defended as such.
Post by Ted
Post by v***@gmail.com
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek
influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE...
No need to read any more.
This is at least a thousand years after the claimed events.
And he imagines this somehow "proves" that I and others were lying
when we cited Israeli archaeologists and their reasons for saying
there were no Moses and Exodus.
Post by Ted
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
He seems to have a hard-on for people who don't let him get away with
his bullshit.
https://tinyurl.com/y8x4xpcu
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2017-10-22 17:06:21 UTC
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus, Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho, Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD 200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE), portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court. According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old, "tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he describes various stages in its development: from the first stage, including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image. His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76] Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses, advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage, temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king, Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet. Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165 AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts. Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
I didn't post any recipe, you lying piece of shit.
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus, Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho, Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD 200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE), portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court. According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old, "tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he describes various stages in its development: from the first stage, including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image. His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76] Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses, advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage, temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king, Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet. Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165 AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts. Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
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(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
I didn't post any recipe, you lying piece of shit.
Liar. You must have been too drunk to remember, and that makes sense,
considering that you admitted to eating shit. You probably wouldn't
have been so careless if you were sober.


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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus, Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho, Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD 200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE), portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court. According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old, "tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he describes various stages in its development: from the first stage, including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image. His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76] Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses, advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage, temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king, Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet. Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165 AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts. Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
[text of amendment snipped.]
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There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
This has come up before:

[quote]

However, beginning in the 1920s, a series of United States Supreme
Court decisions interpreted the Fourteenth Amendment to "incorporate"
most portions of the Bill of Rights, making these portions, for the first
time, enforceable against the state governments.

]/quote] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights

see also this link to find links to precedents.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights#Amendment_I
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Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
....but I have, whenever you repeat this, and I bother to notice it.

Tandy s he attended law school, short of a degree. Did he never
take a ConLaw class? I never even applied to law school, but I
studied this in undergrad courses for both my political science
and history majors. One doesn't have to have had legal training
to know this. Anyone who studied the Civil Rights movement might
have learned about the incorporation doctrine.
Your pizza recipe .....
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the
high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and
some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus
of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by
Diodorus Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he
describes Moses as a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and
colonized Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by
Hecataeus, Moses had founded cities, established a temple and
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his
Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered
to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and
thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes,
for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form
of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the
established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a
large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and
taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous
sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild
beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in
making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he]
may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we
call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of
sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses'
personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature."
[68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing
of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and
courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to
an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect,
such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes
Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this
in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and
elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the
whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried
abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same
time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent
feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had
pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the
sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark
contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten
commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance
to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be
"more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek
philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states
according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of
persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right
to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and
Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced
in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to
the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an
executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the
Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection
or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies
thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House,
remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume
or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or
rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or
emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims
shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
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Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
I didn't post any recipe, you lying piece of shit.
Liar. You must have been too drunk to remember, and that makes sense,
considering that you admitted to eating shit. You probably wouldn't
have been so careless if you were sober.
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
Thanks for confirming my suspicion, ArtyJoe.
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus, Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho, Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD 200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE), portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court. According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old, "tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he describes various stages in its development: from the first stage, including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image. His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76] Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses, advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage, temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king, Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet. Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165 AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts. Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
I didn't post any recipe, you lying piece of shit.
You posted Christian recipe while claiming to be a Judaist....
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2017-10-23 21:02:27 UTC
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the
high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and
some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus
of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by
Diodorus Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he
describes Moses as a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and
colonized Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by
Hecataeus, Moses had founded cities, established a temple and
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his
Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered
to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and
thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes,
for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form
of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the
established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a
large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and
taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous
sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild
beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in
making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he]
may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we
call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of
sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses'
personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature."
[68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing
of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and
courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to
an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect,
such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes
Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this
in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and
elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the
whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried
abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same
time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent
feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had
pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the
sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark
contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten
commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance
to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be
"more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek
philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states
according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of
persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right
to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and
Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced
in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to
the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an
executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the
Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection
or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies
thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House,
remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume
or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or
rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or
emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims
shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
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(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
I didn't post any recipe, you lying piece of shit.
You posted Christian recipe while claiming to be a Judaist....
ArtyJoe is a liar.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?

How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
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ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
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ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
YOu were the one who got a ZERO on my quizzes. YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE.
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You truly are an asshole.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
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ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
YOu were the one who got a ZERO on my quizzes. YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE.
Liar.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
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ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
YOu were the one who got a ZERO on my quizzes. YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE.
What a fucking moron.
Liar.
He doesn't seem to understand that most people here ignored them or
treated them as a joke.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
Post by Ted
ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
YOu were the one who got a ZERO on my quizzes. YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE.
What a fucking moron.
Liar.
He doesn't seem to understand that most people here ignored them or
treated them as a joke.
Apparently, which means he's even more disconnected from reality than I'd
thought.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
Post by Ted
ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
YOu were the one who got a ZERO on my quizzes. YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE.
What a fucking moron.
Don't be so hard on yourself. All of the Nobel laureates in physics
and chemistry also scored zero.
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Liar.
He doesn't seem to understand that most people here ignored them or
treated them as a joke.
Oh, he knows.
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2017-10-24 09:52:29 UTC
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I have decided to be partially generous today and give Ted partial credit for the Pythagorean work on the the one question he answered
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I have decided to be partially generous today and give Ted partial credit
for the Pythagorean work on the the one question he answered
Nice of you.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
Post by Ted
ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
YOu were the one who got a ZERO on my quizzes. YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE.
What a fucking moron.
Liar.
He doesn't seem to understand that most people here ignored them or
treated them as a joke.
That does not matter. All you atheists failed to answer and everyone knows why-because you are abysmally IGNORANT.Nobody with any sense buys your transparent excuses.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
Post by Ted
ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
YOu were the one who got a ZERO on my quizzes. YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE.
What a fucking moron.
Liar.
He doesn't seem to understand that most people here ignored them or
treated them as a joke.
That does not matter. All you atheists failed to answer and everyone
knows why-because you are abysmally IGNORANT.Nobody with any sense buys
your transparent excuses.
We all saw your pizza recipe. Now nobody can take you seriously without
gagging.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
Post by Ted
ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
YOu were the one who got a ZERO on my quizzes. YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE.
What a fucking moron.
Liar.
He doesn't seem to understand that most people here ignored them or
treated them as a joke.
That does not matter. All you atheists failed to answer and everyone knows why-because you are abysmally IGNORANT.Nobody with any sense buys your transparent excuses.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
Post by Ted
ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
YOu were the one who got a ZERO on my quizzes. YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE.
You couldn't even get the number of questions in your idiotic quiz right, officer idiot.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
Exactly. That's dozens of generations. ArtyJoe has no sense.
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ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
And he's stupid, yes.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
In much the same way a fossilized finger bone can be used to hypothetically reconstruct a species of human from 2,000,000 years ago.

CHRISTopher likes the results of science only when it confirms his dearly held biases.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
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https://tinyurl.com/y8x4xpcu
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
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ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
https://tinyurl.com/y8x4xpcu
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
Post by Ted
ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
https://tinyurl.com/y8x4xpcu
The above link which you have posted several times contains no lies according to the definition you yourself posted. Why keep posting it? Are you determined to let as many people as possible know what a dumbfuck you are? You can't demonstrate that any of the things you claim are lies are in fact lies because they don't fit your own definition. How stupid are you?
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
Post by Ted
ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
https://tinyurl.com/y8x4xpcu
The above link which you have posted several times contains no lies
according to the definition you yourself posted. Why keep posting it?
Are you determined to let as many people as possible know what a dumbfuck
you are? You can't demonstrate that any of the things you claim are lies
are in fact lies because they don't fit your own definition. How stupid are you?
We already know ArtyJoe is lying about what he claims are lies. And he even
claims Duke doesn't lie.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role
of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic
period, the zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world,
from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE.
See what I mean?
How the heck can something written a thousand years after the claimed
events, count as evidence?
Post by Ted
ArtyJoe is a liar.
And mindlessly stupid.
https://tinyurl.com/y8x4xpcu
What federal law did Maddow violate, Arty/Joe?




"Maddow violated Federal law when she disclosed
details of Pres Trump's tax return on her show.
The FBI has been notified."
Arty/Joe, Oct 13, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/yaz8v8em
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the
high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and
some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus
of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by
Diodorus Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he
describes Moses as a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and
colonized Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by
Hecataeus, Moses had founded cities, established a temple and
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his
Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered
to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and
thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes,
for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form
of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the
established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a
large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and
taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous
sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild
beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in
making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he]
may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we
call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of
sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses'
personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature."
[68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing
of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and
courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to
an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect,
such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes
Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this
in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and
elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the
whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried
abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same
time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent
feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had
pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the
sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark
contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten
commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance
to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be
"more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek
philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states
according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of
persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right
to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and
Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced
in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to
the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an
executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the
Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection
or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies
thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House,
remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume
or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or
rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or
emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims
shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
I didn't post any recipe, you lying piece of shit.
You posted Christian recipe while claiming to be a Judaist....
ArtyJoe is a liar.
evidence???????????????????????
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the
high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and
some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus
of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by
Diodorus Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he
describes Moses as a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and
colonized Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by
Hecataeus, Moses had founded cities, established a temple and
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his
Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered
to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and
thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes,
for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form
of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the
established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a
large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and
taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous
sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild
beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in
making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he]
may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we
call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of
sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses'
personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature."
[68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing
of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and
courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to
an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect,
such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes
Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this
in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and
elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the
whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried
abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same
time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent
feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had
pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the
sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark
contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten
commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance
to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be
"more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek
philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states
according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of
persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right
to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and
Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced
in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to
the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an
executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the
Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection
or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies
thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House,
remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume
or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or
rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or
emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims
shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
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There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
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(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
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(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
I didn't post any recipe, you lying piece of shit.
You posted Christian recipe while claiming to be a Judaist....
ArtyJoe is a liar.
evidence???????????????????????
Easy. You deny that you're a Russian troll trying to cause division among
Americans. But your game is obvious. You have Duke and Yost fooled, but
nobody else.
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the
high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and
some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus
of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by
Diodorus Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he
describes Moses as a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and
colonized Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by
Hecataeus, Moses had founded cities, established a temple and
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his
Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered
to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and
thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes,
for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form
of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the
established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a
large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and
taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous
sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild
beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in
making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he]
may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we
call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of
sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses'
personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature."
[68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing
of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and
courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to
an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect,
such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes
Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this
in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and
elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the
whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried
abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same
time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent
feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had
pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the
sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark
contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten
commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance
to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be
"more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek
philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states
according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of
persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right
to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and
Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced
in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to
the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an
executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the
Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection
or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies
thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House,
remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume
or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or
rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or
emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims
shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
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You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
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God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
I didn't post any recipe, you lying piece of shit.
You posted Christian recipe while claiming to be a Judaist....
ArtyJoe is a liar.
EVIDENCE?????????????????????????????????
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EVIDENCE?????????????????????????????????
"Maddow violated Federal law when she disclosed
details of Pres Trump's tax return on her show.
The FBI has been notified."
Arty/Joe, Oct 13, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/yaz8v8em

Arty/Joe still hasn't explained what law Maddow
broke by Trump releasing his own taxes to the
public.
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Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.

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Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
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Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
It's obvious that he can't.
duke
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Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.

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Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
sounding more and more like each other everyday. I guess that's due to
both of you being narcissists. But you can never work together. One of
you would have to admit that you're not as smart as the other.
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Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
sounding more and more like each other everyday. I guess that's due to
both of you being narcissists. But you can never work together. One of
you would have to admit that you're not as smart as the other.
I don't see a problem between us. We both see you as terribly wrong.

the dukester, American-American


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Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
sounding more and more like each other everyday. I guess that's due to
both of you being narcissists. But you can never work together. One of
you would have to admit that you're not as smart as the other.
I don't see a problem between us. We both see you as terribly wrong.
I think we agree on everything except religion.Catholics and Jews have worked together before.
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Post by Ted
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything
without support. That's the reason no one pay attention to you and
teddie the fairy is right there with you. It's hard to decide
which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
sounding more and more like each other everyday. I guess that's due
to both of you being narcissists. But you can never work together.
One of you would have to admit that you're not as smart as the
other.
I don't see a problem between us. We both see you as terribly wrong.
I think we agree on everything except religion.Catholics and Jews have
worked together before.
So have Muslims and Jews. Your point?
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Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
sounding more and more like each other everyday. I guess that's due to
both of you being narcissists. But you can never work together. One of
you would have to admit that you're not as smart as the other.
I don't see a problem between us. We both see you as terribly wrong.
I think we agree on everything except religion.Catholics and Jews have worked together before.
I know of one Catholic who put 6,000,000 Jews into ovens. I'd say you don't work very well together.
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Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
sounding more and more like each other everyday. I guess that's due to
both of you being narcissists. But you can never work together. One of
you would have to admit that you're not as smart as the other.
I don't see a problem between us. We both see you as terribly wrong.
I think we agree on everything except religion.Catholics and Jews have worked together before.
Of course. And your faith is part of my faith. Many of our "1st" readings at
Mass come from the OT.

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Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
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I don't see a problem between us. We both see you as terribly wrong.
I think we agree on everything except religion.
.> Catholics and Jews have worked together before.

And Muslims and Jews have fought side by side against Catholics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#Jews


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You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
sounding more and more like each other everyday. I guess that's due to
both of you being narcissists. But you can never work together. One of
you would have to admit that you're not as smart as the other.
I don't see a problem between us. We both see you as terribly wrong.
I think we agree on everything except religion.
.> Catholics and Jews have worked together before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#Jews
atlaxo
Sounds like you screwed the pooch on this one. The Muslims trying to take
Jerusalem if the problem.

Siege of Jerusalem (597 BC) by Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon

Siege of Jerusalem (AD 70) by Titus
The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 was the decisive event of the First
Jewish–Roman War.

Siege of Jerusalem (1187) by Saladin
resulting in the recapture of the city by the Muslims

Capture of Jerusalem (1218)
an attempt by Western Europeans to reacquire Jerusalem and the rest of the Holy
Land by first conquering the powerful Ayyubid state in Egypt.

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You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
sounding more and more like each other everyday. I guess that's due to
both of you being narcissists. But you can never work together. One of
you would have to admit that you're not as smart as the other.
I don't see a problem between us. We both see you as terribly wrong.
I think we agree on everything except religion.
.> Catholics and Jews have worked together before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#Jews
atlaxo
Sounds like you screwed the pooch on this one. The Muslims trying to take
Jerusalem if the problem.
Siege of Jerusalem (597 BC) by Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon
Siege of Jerusalem (AD 70) by Titus
The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 was the decisive event of the First
Jewish–Roman War.
Siege of Jerusalem (1187) by Saladin
resulting in the recapture of the city by the Muslims
Capture of Jerusalem (1218)
an attempt by Western Europeans to reacquire Jerusalem and the rest of the Holy
Land by first conquering the powerful Ayyubid state in Egypt.
I said that Jews and Muslims once fought side by side to
repeal the Catholic aggressors.

And that is in fact what happened. Did you read the link
I provided?

Tell us: why in the world do you think the Holy Land belonged
to Catholic Europeans, not the Arabs and Jews who have
lived there for millennia?

Really, do tell us:






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That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
sounding more and more like each other everyday. I guess that's due to
both of you being narcissists. But you can never work together. One of
you would have to admit that you're not as smart as the other.
I don't see a problem between us. We both see you as terribly wrong.
I think we agree on everything except religion.
.> Catholics and Jews have worked together before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#Jews
atlaxo
Sounds like you screwed the pooch on this one. The Muslims trying to take
Jerusalem if the problem.
Siege of Jerusalem (597 BC) by Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon
Siege of Jerusalem (AD 70) by Titus
The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 was the decisive event of the First
Jewish–Roman War.
Siege of Jerusalem (1187) by Saladin
resulting in the recapture of the city by the Muslims
Capture of Jerusalem (1218)
an attempt by Western Europeans to reacquire Jerusalem and the rest of the Holy
Land by first conquering the powerful Ayyubid state in Egypt.
I said that Jews and Muslims once fought side by side to
repeal the Catholic aggressors.
Why would the Jews fight with the muslims that where trying to capture
jerusalem. It' was the Crusaders that fought off the muslim hordes.
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And that is in fact what happened. Did you read the link
I provided?
Tell us: why in the world do you think the Holy Land belonged
to Catholic Europeans, not the Arabs and Jews who have
lived there for millennia?
It didn't "belong to the Catholic Europeans. They were the Christian Crusaders
trying to stop the muslim hordes from overrunning the Holy Land.

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That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
sounding more and more like each other everyday. I guess that's due to
both of you being narcissists. But you can never work together. One of
you would have to admit that you're not as smart as the other.
I don't see a problem between us. We both see you as terribly wrong.
I think we agree on everything except religion.
.> Catholics and Jews have worked together before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#Jews
atlaxo
Sounds like you screwed the pooch on this one. The Muslims trying to take
Jerusalem if the problem.
Siege of Jerusalem (597 BC) by Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon
Siege of Jerusalem (AD 70) by Titus
The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 was the decisive event of the First
Jewish–Roman War.
Siege of Jerusalem (1187) by Saladin
resulting in the recapture of the city by the Muslims
Capture of Jerusalem (1218)
an attempt by Western Europeans to reacquire Jerusalem and the rest of the Holy
Land by first conquering the powerful Ayyubid state in Egypt.
.> >I said that Jews and Muslims once fought side by side to
.> >repeal the Catholic aggressors.
.> Why would the Jews fight with the muslims that where trying to capture
.> jerusalem.

Muslims that "where" trying to capture Jerusalem"?

There were no Muslims "trying to capture Jerusalem".
Jerusalem at that time was part of the Fatimid Caliphate,
and had been so for 100 years.


.> It' was the Crusaders that fought off the muslim hordes.

You mean the Muslim "hordes" that were living there, and had
been living there for many years already?

You don't seem to get the idea that Arabs have been living
throughout the Middle East since there were Arabs. It's
their homeland every bit as much as it was the homeland
of the Hebrews.

If you're going to argue history, you really should learn some
history first.


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And that is in fact what happened. Did you read the link
I provided?
Tell us: why in the world do you think the Holy Land belonged
to Catholic Europeans, not the Arabs and Jews who have
lived there for millennia?
It didn't "belong to the Catholic Europeans. They were the Christian Crusaders
trying to stop the muslim hordes from overrunning the Holy Land.
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You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
sounding more and more like each other everyday. I guess that's due to
both of you being narcissists. But you can never work together. One of
you would have to admit that you're not as smart as the other.
I don't see a problem between us. We both see you as terribly wrong.
I think we agree on everything except religion.
.> Catholics and Jews have worked together before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#Jews
atlaxo
Sounds like you screwed the pooch on this one. The Muslims trying to take
Jerusalem if the problem.
Siege of Jerusalem (597 BC) by Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon
Siege of Jerusalem (AD 70) by Titus
The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 was the decisive event of the First
Jewish–Roman War.
Siege of Jerusalem (1187) by Saladin
resulting in the recapture of the city by the Muslims
Capture of Jerusalem (1218)
an attempt by Western Europeans to reacquire Jerusalem and the rest of the Holy
Land by first conquering the powerful Ayyubid state in Egypt.
.> >I said that Jews and Muslims once fought side by side to
.> >repeal the Catholic aggressors.
.> Why would the Jews fight with the muslims that where trying to capture
.> jerusalem.
Muslims that "where" trying to capture Jerusalem"?
There were no Muslims "trying to capture Jerusalem".
Jerusalem at that time was part of the Fatimid Caliphate,
and had been so for 100 years.
.> It' was the Crusaders that fought off the muslim hordes.
You mean the Muslim "hordes" that were living there, and had
been living there for many years already?
You don't seem to get the idea that Arabs have been living
throughout the Middle East since there were Arabs. It's
their homeland every bit as much as it was the homeland
of the Hebrews.
If you're going to argue history, you really should learn some
history first.
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Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
You mean people who don't agree with you, Earl. You and ArtieJoe are
sounding more and more like each other everyday. I guess that's due to
both of you being narcissists. But you can never work together. One of
you would have to admit that you're not as smart as the other.
I don't see a problem between us. We both see you as terribly wrong.
I think we agree on everything except religion.
.> Catholics and Jews have worked together before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)#Jews
atlaxo
Sounds like you screwed the pooch on this one. The Muslims trying to take
Jerusalem if the problem.
Siege of Jerusalem (597 BC) by Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon
Siege of Jerusalem (AD 70) by Titus
The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 was the decisive event of the First
Jewish–Roman War.
Siege of Jerusalem (1187) by Saladin
resulting in the recapture of the city by the Muslims
Capture of Jerusalem (1218)
an attempt by Western Europeans to reacquire Jerusalem and the rest of the Holy
Land by first conquering the powerful Ayyubid state in Egypt.
.> >I said that Jews and Muslims once fought side by side to
.> >repeal the Catholic aggressors.
.> Why would the Jews fight with the muslims that where trying to capture
.> jerusalem.
Muslims that "where" trying to capture Jerusalem"?
There were no Muslims "trying to capture Jerusalem".
Jerusalem at that time was part of the Fatimid Caliphate,
and had been so for 100 years.
.> It' was the Crusaders that fought off the muslim hordes.
You mean the Muslim "hordes" that were living there, and had
been living there for many years already?
You don't seem to get the idea that Arabs have been living
throughout the Middle East since there were Arabs. It's
their homeland every bit as much as it was the homeland
of the Hebrews.
If you're going to argue history, you really should learn some
history first.
Puke? Learn?
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.> Why would the Jews fight with the muslims that where trying to capture
.> jerusalem.
Muslims that "where" trying to capture Jerusalem"?
Yep, you understand.

By the rules that Muslims claim for themselves, the Crusades were justified, and
the excesses (though beneath Christian standards) pale in comparison with the
historical treatment of conquered populations at the hands of Muslims.
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There were no Muslims "trying to capture Jerusalem".
Jerusalem at that time was part of the Fatimid Caliphate,
and had been so for 100 years.
The Crusades were expeditions undertaken, in fulfilment of a solemn vow, to
deliver the Holy Places from Mohammedan tyranny.
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.> It' was the Crusaders that fought off the muslim hordes.
You mean the Muslim "hordes" that were living there, and had
been living there for many years already?
And headed for SEurope to occupy those lands too.


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That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
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Wow! And you're going nuts with anger the same way ArtieJoe does, too.
If that were true, it's means that you have nothing of value to add to
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That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
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Wow! And you're going nuts with anger the same way ArtieJoe does, too.
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That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
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Wow! And you're going nuts with anger the same way ArtieJoe does, too.
If that were true, it's means that you have nothing of value to add to
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That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
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Wow! And you're going nuts with anger the same way ArtieJoe does, too.
If that were true, it's means that you have nothing of value to add to
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Oh yes you are. You're just another ineffectual theist troll.
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That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
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Wow! And you're going nuts with anger the same way ArtieJoe does, too.
If that were true, it's means that you have nothing of value to add to
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You sound like a failed bully in a school yard.
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Duke tries to deceive himself into believing he isn't a failure.
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That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
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Wow! And you're going nuts with anger the same way ArtieJoe does, too.
If that were true, it's means that you have nothing of value to add to
discussion. You're aligning with teddie the fairy and his ilk.
You sound like a failed bully in a school yard.
But I'm not failing.
Oh yes you are. You're just another ineffectual theist troll.
When was I ineffectual, triangle?

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You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
Wow! And you're going nuts with anger the same way ArtieJoe does, too.
If that were true, it's means that you have nothing of value to add to
discussion. You're aligning with teddie the fairy and his ilk.
You sound like a failed bully in a school yard.
But I'm not failing.
Oh yes you are. You're just another ineffectual theist troll.
When was I ineffectual, triangle?
When you lied and said I believe in quadratic triangles.

When you lied and said you provided evidence for your god and proof that other gods don't exist.

When you claimed that hell is a real place full of flames, and also claimed that hell is just a cold godless place.

When you claimed that a quadratic equation is two equations.

When you try to convert people to your religious hoopla.

...

You're always ineffectual; you're ineffectual earl.
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You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
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Wow! And you're going nuts with anger the same way ArtieJoe does, too.
If that were true, it's means that you have nothing of value to add to
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You sound like a failed bully in a school yard.
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Oh yes you are. You're just another ineffectual theist troll.
When was I ineffectual, triangle?
When you lied and said I believe in quadratic triangles.
I didn't say anything about "believe".
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When you lied and said you provided evidence for your god and proof that other gods don't exist.
There are no other Gods.
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When you claimed that hell is a real place full of flames, and also claimed that hell is just a cold godless place.
Jesus revealed the flames. I said I THOUGHT it was more a case of a very cold
place.
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When you claimed that a quadratic equation is two equations.
+/- makes it 2 equations.
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When you try to convert people to your religious hoopla.
I just offer sound advice.
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You're always ineffectual; you're ineffectual earl.
But I'm not a quadratic isosceles triangle.

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Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
Wow! And you're going nuts with anger the same way ArtieJoe does, too.
If that were true, it's means that you have nothing of value to add to
discussion. You're aligning with teddie the fairy and his ilk.
You sound like a failed bully in a school yard.
But I'm not failing.
Here's a suggestion for the benefit of your personal hygiene:After you finish
talking with Tim and Hypatiab, take a shower and scrub yourself thoroughly.
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Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
Wow! And you're going nuts with anger the same way ArtieJoe does, too.
If that were true, it's means that you have nothing of value to add to
discussion. You're aligning with teddie the fairy and his ilk.
You sound like a failed bully in a school yard.
But I'm not failing.
Here's a suggestion for the benefit of your personal hygiene:After you finish
talking with Tim and Hypatiab, take a shower and scrub yourself thoroughly.
Don't blame me for your hygiene problems, big nose. And don't blame me for your inability to prove you were in the navy, you lying sack of shit.
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Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you. It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
Wow! And you're going nuts with anger the same way ArtieJoe does, too.
If that were true, it's means that you have nothing of value to add to
discussion. You're aligning with teddie the fairy and his ilk.
You sound like a failed bully in a school yard.
But I'm not failing.
Here's a suggestion for the benefit of your personal hygiene:After you finish
talking with Tim and Hypatiab, take a shower and scrub yourself thoroughly.
Well, tim I agree. H7, with me, more mellow.

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Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
You're a fat illiterate pig.
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That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you.
You're a fat illiterate pig.
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It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
Oh the irony, you fat illiterate pig.
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Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Personally I don't think he finds you tasty.
You can't personally see your own two feet, you fat blimp.
You crazy fool, you are nut another kid that will say anything without support.
You're a fat illiterate pig.
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That's the reason no one pay attention to you and teddie the fairy is right
there with you.
You're a fat illiterate pig.
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It's hard to decide which one of you is worse at communication.
Oh the irony, you fat illiterate pig.
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(2)> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/alt.atheism/christopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/rZQmKIXFU38/dRppiqtl0EMJ
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus, Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho, Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD 200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE), portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court. According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old, "tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he describes various stages in its development: from the first stage, including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image. His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76] Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses, advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage, temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king, Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet. Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165 AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts. Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
yOUR MOTHER IS A FILTHY WHORE
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(2)> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/alt.atheism/christopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/rZQmKIXFU38/dRppiqtl0EMJ
(3)> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/alt.atheism/christopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/aL2Qqv__Rq0/vJk603V2DjUJ
(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus, Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho, Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD 200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE), portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court. According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old, "tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he describes various stages in its development: from the first stage, including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image. His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76] Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses, advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage, temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king, Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet. Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165 AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts. Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
yOUR MOTHER IS A FILTHY WHORE
If you were to speak to him in the face, I am sure you will become a meatball....
Ted
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the
high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and
some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus
of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by
Diodorus Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he
describes Moses as a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and
colonized Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by
Hecataeus, Moses had founded cities, established a temple and
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his
Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered
to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and
thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes,
for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form
of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the
established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a
large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and
taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous
sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild
beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in
making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he]
may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we
call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of
sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses'
personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature."
[68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing
of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and
courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to
an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect,
such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes
Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this
in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and
elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the
whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried
abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same
time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent
feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had
pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the
sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark
contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten
commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance
to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be
"more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek
philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states
according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of
persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right
to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and
Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced
in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to
the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an
executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the
Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection
or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies
thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House,
remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume
or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or
rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or
emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims
shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Addresses Block Sender
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
yOUR MOTHER IS A FILTHY WHORE
If you were to speak to him in the face, I am sure you will become a meatball....
I couldn't bring myself to say it back to him. I have nothing against his
mother.
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the
high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and
some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus
of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by
Diodorus Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he
describes Moses as a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and
colonized Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by
Hecataeus, Moses had founded cities, established a temple and
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his
Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered
to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and
thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes,
for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form
of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the
established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a
large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and
taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous
sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild
beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in
making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he]
may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we
call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of
sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses'
personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature."
[68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing
of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and
courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to
an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect,
such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes
Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this
in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and
elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the
whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried
abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same
time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent
feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had
pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the
sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark
contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten
commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance
to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be
"more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek
philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states
according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of
persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right
to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and
Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced
in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to
the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an
executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the
Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection
or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies
thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House,
remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume
or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or
rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or
emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims
shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Addresses Block Sender
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
yOUR MOTHER IS A FILTHY WHORE
If you were to speak to him in the face, I am sure you will become a meatball....
I couldn't bring myself to say it back to him. I have nothing against his
mother.
Yes, that is the vast difference between us and the theist who is so low in life.
Ted
2017-10-26 09:22:23 UTC
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of
Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the
zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about
146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the
high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and
some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus
of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by
Diodorus Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he
describes Moses as a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and
colonized Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by
Hecataeus, Moses had founded cities, established a temple and
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his
Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered
to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and
thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes,
for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form
of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the
established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a
large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and
taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous
sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild
beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in
making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he]
may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we
call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of
sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses'
personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature."
[68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing
of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and
courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to
an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect,
such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes
Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this
in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and
elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the
whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried
abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same
time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent
feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had
pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the
sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark
contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten
commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance
to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be
"more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek
philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law
which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any
person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states
according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of
persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right
to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and
Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced
in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to
the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or
military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having
previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of
the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an
executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the
Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection
or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies
thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House,
remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume
or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or
rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or
emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims
shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Addresses Block Sender
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
yOUR MOTHER IS A FILTHY WHORE
If you were to speak to him in the face, I am sure you will become a meatball....
I couldn't bring myself to say it back to him. I have nothing against his
mother.
Yes, that is the vast difference between us and the theist who is so low in life.
Yep.
Ted
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of
Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE.
Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high
honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some
specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of
Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus
Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as
a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized
Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus,
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography
(c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an
Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby
attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for
example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of
man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established
institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of
people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the
Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in
representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle
of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of
their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one
thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or
the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity."
Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality
is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His
portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus
who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an
oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such
as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's
Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in
the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders
of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole
body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad,
... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which
was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they
carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the
vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and
removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but
those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which
God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to
Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life of
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more
trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according
to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at
any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice
President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously
taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or
judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the
United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against
the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress
may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or
pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion
against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of
any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
I LIKE TO EAT SHIT
Eww!!! That's disgusting!!
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus, Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho, Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD 200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE), portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court. According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old, "tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography (c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he describes various stages in its development: from the first stage, including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image. His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76] Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses, advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad, ... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage, temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king, Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet. Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165 AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts. Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Show us where I posted a pizza recipe.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of
Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE.
Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high
honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some
specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of
Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus
Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as
a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized
Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus,
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography
(c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an
Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby
attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for
example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of
man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established
institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of
people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the
Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in
representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle
of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of
their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one
thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or
the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity."
Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality
is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His
portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus
who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an
oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such
as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's
Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in
the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders
of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole
body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad,
... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which
was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they
carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the
vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and
removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but
those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which
God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to
Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life of
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more
trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according
to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at
any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice
President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously
taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or
judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the
United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against
the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress
may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or
pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion
against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of
any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
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(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Show us where I posted a pizza recipe.
ArtyJoe's pizza recipe:

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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of
Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE.
Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high
honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some
specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of
Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus
Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as
a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized
Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus,
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography
(c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an
Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby
attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for
example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of
man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established
institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of
people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the
Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in
representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle
of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of
their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one
thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or
the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity."
Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality
is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His
portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus
who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an
oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such
as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's
Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in
the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders
of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole
body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad,
... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which
was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they
carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the
vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and
removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but
those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which
God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to
Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life of
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more
trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according
to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at
any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice
President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously
taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or
judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the
United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against
the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress
may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or
pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion
against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of
any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
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(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Show us where I posted a pizza recipe.
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
LYING SHIT BAG
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of
Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE.
Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high
honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some
specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of
Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus
Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as
a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized
Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus,
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography
(c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an
Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby
attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for
example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of
man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established
institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of
people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the
Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in
representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle
of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of
their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one
thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or
the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity."
Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality
is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His
portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus
who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an
oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such
as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's
Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in
the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders
of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole
body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad,
... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which
was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they
carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the
vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and
removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but
those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which
God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to
Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life of
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more
trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek
philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according
to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at
any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice
President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously
taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or
judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the
United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against
the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress
may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or
pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion
against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of
any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held
illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Addresses Block Sender
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Show us where I posted a pizza recipe.
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
LYING SHIT BAG
I showed you your post. Did you click on the url?
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of
Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE.
Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high
honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some
specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of
Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus
Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as
a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized
Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus,
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography
(c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an
Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby
attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for
example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of
man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established
institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of
people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the
Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in
representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle
of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of
their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one
thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or
the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity."
Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality
is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His
portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus
who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an
oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such
as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's
Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in
the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders
of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole
body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad,
... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which
was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they
carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the
vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and
removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but
those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which
God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to
Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life of
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more
trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according
to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at
any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice
President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously
taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or
judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the
United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against
the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress
may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or
pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion
against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of
any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Show us where I posted a pizza recipe.
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
LYING SHIT BAG
Show us that list, officer.
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of
Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE.
Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high
honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some
specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of
Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus
Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as
a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized
Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus,
Moses had founded cities, established a temple and religious cult,
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography
(c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an
Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby
attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for
example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of
man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established
institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of
people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the
Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in
representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle
of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of
their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one
thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or
the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity."
Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality
is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His
portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus
who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an
oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such
as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's
Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in
the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders
of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole
body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad,
... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which
was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they
carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the
vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and
removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but
those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which
God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to
Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life of
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more
trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the
Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according
to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at
any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice
President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously
taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or
judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the
United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against
the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress
may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or
pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion
against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of
any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held
illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Addresses Block Sender
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Show us where I posted a pizza recipe.
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
LYING SHIT BAG
Show us that list, officer.
Exactly. But we know he can't because he lied.
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of
Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE.
Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high
honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some
specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of
Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus
Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as
a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized
Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus,
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography
(c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an
Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby
attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for
example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of
man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established
institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of
people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the
Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in
representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle
of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of
their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one
thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or
the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity."
Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality
is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His
portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus
who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an
oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such
as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's
Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in
the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders
of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole
body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad,
... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which
was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they
carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the
vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and
removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but
those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which
God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to
Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life of
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more
trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according
to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at
any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice
President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously
taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or
judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the
United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against
the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress
may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or
pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion
against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of
any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Show us where I posted a pizza recipe.
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
LYING SHIT BAG
Show us that list, officer.
I don't take orders from chickenshit punks.
Tim
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of
Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE.
Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high
honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some
specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of
Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus
Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as
a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized
Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus,
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography
(c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an
Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby
attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for
example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of
man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established
institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of
people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the
Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in
representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle
of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of
their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one
thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or
the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity."
Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality
is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His
portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus
who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an
oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such
as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's
Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in
the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders
of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole
body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad,
... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which
was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they
carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the
vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and
removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but
those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which
God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to
Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life of
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more
trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according
to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at
any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice
President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously
taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or
judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the
United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against
the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress
may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or
pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion
against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of
any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
Size: 3 KB
Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Show us where I posted a pizza recipe.
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
LYING SHIT BAG
Show us that list, officer.
I don't take orders from chickenshit punks.
You never took orders in the navy because you weren't in it.
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http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of
Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE.
Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high
honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some
specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of
Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus
Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as
a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized
Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus,
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography
(c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an
Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby
attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for
example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of
man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established
institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of
people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the
Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in
representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle
of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of
their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one
thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or
the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity."
Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality
is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His
portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus
who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an
oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such
as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's
Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in
the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders
of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole
body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad,
... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which
was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they
carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the
vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and
removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but
those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which
God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to
Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life of
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more
trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according
to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at
any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice
President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously
taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or
judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the
United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against
the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress
may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or
pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion
against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of
any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
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(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
Date: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Jews for Jesus
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Show us where I posted a pizza recipe.
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
LYING SHIT BAG
Show us that list, officer.
I don't take orders from chickenshit punks.
You never took orders in the navy because you weren't in it.
Too bad. I supplied evidence to confirm that I was, but you were afraid to look at it. That's how chronic liars operate.
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of
Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE.
Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high
honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some
specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of
Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus
Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as
a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized
Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus,
Moses had founded cities, established a temple and religious
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography
(c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an
Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby
attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for
example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of
man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established
institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of
people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the
Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in
representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle
of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of
their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one
thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or
the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity."
Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality
is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His
portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus
who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an
oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such
as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's
Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in
the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders
of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole
body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad,
... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which
was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they
carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the
vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and
removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but
those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which
God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to
Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life of
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more
trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek
philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according
to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at
any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice
President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously
taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or
judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the
United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against
the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress
may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or
pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion
against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of
any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be
held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
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(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
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You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Show us where I posted a pizza recipe.
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
LYING SHIT BAG
Show us that list, officer.
I don't take orders from chickenshit punks.
You never took orders in the navy because you weren't in it.
Too bad. I supplied evidence to confirm that I was, but you were afraid
to look at it. That's how chronic liars operate.
What evidence?
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence
Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses,
first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, the zenith of
Greek influence in the ancient world, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE.
Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high
honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some
specific groups among these peoples."[68]:1102 In addition to the
Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus,
Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of
Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho,
Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make
reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on
earlier sources is unknown.[68]:1103 Moses also appears in other
religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 AD), Midrash (AD
200-1200),[69] and the Qur'an (c. 610--653).
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade
Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is
finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.
In Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in
the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BC). All that
remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus
Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, "he describes Moses as
a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized
Judaea."[70]:18 Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus,
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which
took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the
gods and heroes, the first . . . to persuade the multitudes to use
written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also
in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are
recorded.[70]:18
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to
statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[70]:18
In Artapanus
The Jewish historian Artapanus of Alexandria (2nd century BCE),
portrayed Moses as a cultural hero, alien to the Pharaonic court.
According to theologian John Barclay, the Moses of Artapanus "clearly
bears the destiny of the Jews, and in his personal, cultural and
military splendor, brings credit to the whole Jewish people."[71]
Jealousy of Moses' excellent qualities induced Chenephres to send him
with unskilled troops on a military expedition to Ethiopia, where he
won great victories. After having built the city of Hermopolis, he
taught the people the value of the ibis as a protection against the
serpents, making the bird the sacred guardian spirit of the city; then
he introduced circumcision. After his return to Memphis, Moses taught
the people the value of oxen for agriculture, and the consecration of
the same by Moses gave rise to the cult of Apis. Finally, after having
escaped another plot by killing the assailant sent by the king, Moses
fled to Arabia, where he married the daughter of Raguel [Jethro], the
ruler of the district." [72]
Artapanus goes on to relate how Moses returns to Egypt with Aaron, and
is imprisoned, but miraculously escapes through the name of YHWH in
order to lead the Exodus. This account further testifies that all
Egyptian temples of Isis thereafter contained a rod, in remembrance of
that used for Moses' miracles. He describes Moses as 80 years old,
"tall and ruddy, with long white hair, and dignified."
Some historians, however, point out the "apologetic nature of much of
Artapanus' work,"[73]:40 with his addition extra-biblical details, as
with references to Jethro: The non-Jewish Jethro expresses admiration
for Moses' gallantry in helping his daughters, and chooses to adopt
Moses as his son.[73]:133
In Strabo
Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geography
(c. AD 24), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an
Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby
attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for
example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of
man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which
encompassed everything - land and sea:[68]:1132
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the
country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established
institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of
people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the
Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in
representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle
of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of
their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one
thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or
the universe, or the nature of things. . . .
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded
persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands. . . . ''[74]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he
describes various stages in its development: from the first stage,
including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the
Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity."
Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality
is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature." [68]:1133 His
portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus
who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[68]:1133
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who
came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheism and as
a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being
whom no image can represent. . . [and] the only way to approach this
god is to live in virtue and in justice."[75]:38
In Tacitus
The Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56--120 AD) refers to Moses by noting
that the Jewish religion was monotheistic and without a clear image.
His primary work, wherein he describes Jewish philosophy, is his
Histories (ca. 100), where, according to Murphy, as a result of the
Jewish worship of one God, "pagan mythology fell into contempt."[76]
Tacitus states that, despite various opinions current in his day
regarding the Jews' ethnicity, most of his sources are in agreement
that there was an Exodus from Egypt. By his account, the Pharaoh
Bocchoris, suffering from a plague, banished the Jews in response to an
oracle of the god Zeus-Amun.
A motley crowd was thus collected and abandoned in the desert. While
all the other outcasts lay idly lamenting, one of them, named Moses,
advised them not to look for help to gods or men, since both had
deserted them, but to trust rather in themselves, and accept as divine
the guidance of the first being, by whose aid they should get out of
their present plight.[77]
In this version, Moses and the Jews wander through the desert for only
six days, capturing the Holy Land on the seventh.[77]
In Longinus
The Septuagint, the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible, influenced
Longinus, who may have been the author of the great book of literary
criticism, On the Sublime, although the true author is still unknown
for certain. However, most scholars agree that the author lived in the
time of Augustus or Tiberius, the first and second Roman Emperors.
The writer quotes Genesis in a "style which presents the nature of the
deity in a manner suitable to his pure and great being," however he
does not mention Moses by name, but instead calls him "the Lawgiver of
the Jews." Besides its mention of Cicero, Moses is the only non-Greek
writer quoted in the work, and he is described "with far more
admiration than even Greek writers who treated Moses with respect, such
as Hecataeus and Strabo.[68]:1140
In Josephus
In Josephus' (37 - c. 100 AD) Antiquities of the Jews, Moses is
mentioned throughout. For example Book VIII Ch. IV, describes Solomon's
Temple, also known as the First Temple, at the time the Ark of the
When King Solomon had finished these works, these large and beautiful
buildings, and had laid up his donations in the temple, and all this in
the interval of seven years, and had given a demonstration of his
riches and alacrity therein; ... he also wrote to the rulers and elders
of the Hebrews, and ordered all the people to gather themselves
together to Jerusalem, both to see the temple which he had built, and
to remove the ark of God into it; and when this invitation of the whole
body of the people to come to Jerusalem was everywhere carried abroad,
... The Feast of Tabernacles happened to fall at the same time, which
was kept by the Hebrews as a most holy and most eminent feast. So they
carried the ark and the tabernacle which Moses had pitched, and all the
vessels that were for ministration to the sacrifices of God, and
removed them to the temple... Now the ark contained nothing else but
those two tables of stone that preserved the ten commandments, which
God spake to Moses in
Mount Sinai, and which were engraved upon them...[78]
According to Feldman, Josephus also attaches particular significance to
Moses' possession of the "cardinal virtues of wisdom, courage,
temperance, and justice." He also includes piety as an added fifth
virtue. In addition, he "stresses Moses' willingness to undergo toil
and his careful avoidance of bribery. Like Plato's philosopher-king,
Moses excels as an educator."[73]:130
In Numenius
Numenius, a Greek philosopher who was a native of Apamea, in Syria,
wrote during the latter half of the 2nd century AD. Historian Kennieth
Guthrie writes that "Numenius is perhaps the only recognized Greek
philosopher who explicitly studied Moses, the prophets, and the life of
Numenius was a man of the world; he was not limited to Greek and
Egyptian mysteries, but talked familiarly of the myths of Brahmins and
Magi. It is however his knowledge and use of the Hebrew scriptures
which distinguished him from other Greek philosophers. He refers to
Moses simply as "the prophet", exactly as for him Homer is the poet.
Plato is described as a Greek Moses.[79]:101
In Justin Martyr
The Christian saint and religious philosopher Justin Martyr (103-165
AD) drew the same conclusion as Numenius, according to other experts.
Theologian Paul Blackham notes that Justin considered Moses to be "more
trustworthy, profound and truthful because he is older than the Greek philosophers."
(6)Chris Lee tells another lie
Here is what he said
" Unfortunately a lot of right wing and religious loonies ignore the
14th Amendment and subsequent Supreme Court rulings."
14TH AMENDMENT
AMENDMENT XIV
SECTION 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the
state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
SECTION 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according
to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at
any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice
President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the
executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the
legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such
state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United
States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion,
or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in
the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the
whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
SECTION 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military,
under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously
taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United
States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or
judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the
United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against
the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress
may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
SECTION 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for
services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be
questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or
pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion
against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of
any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation,
the provisions of this article.
WEX RESOURCES
There is Nothing there about religion or politics.
Note that, as usual, he provides NO evidence to support his claim.
(7)Lee lies about British history
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/alt.atheism/It$27s$20official$20in$20britain$3AChris$20Lee$2C$20liar/alt.atheism/5prF_yioLk8/iU3Hx5JgXAUJ
(8)Lee Lies about evolution
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.atheism/pCyHqHSuGWE
(9)Lee lies about Joe's beliefs
He's never given an honest reason why he doubts it, just repeated
creationist nonsense showing he has no idea what he's talking about.
Because it's based entirely on assumptions. Nobody has ever seen it happen.
Since most of it occurred millions of years ago, nobody ever will.
SHIT! CHRISSY HAS BEEN CAUGHT LYING AGAIN.
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Hello, Mr. Tandy,
You asked us to verify if you were on our mailing list with Jews for
Jesus. I do not find you in our database.
God Bless!
Susan Montroy
Jews for Jesus
Los Angeles
(11)Lee Lies About Scientists
This is Why Every Scientist Accepts Evolution
Obviously, that's another of your LIES. See this link?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t001981.html
(12)Lee lies About Tacitus
Someone remind the Liar For God that Tacitus only mentioned Christians
as "followers of Christ", not Jesus - and he never made that
connection.
That's a lie:This is from the Wikipedia article"Tacitus on Christ"
Scholars generally consider Tacitus's reference to the execution of
Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value
as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it
is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian
confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
(13)Lee Lies about Joe's Posting
Does he honestly imagine that repeating the same debunked nonsense
over and over again somehow defends it?
I never before today posted the Talmud passage or anything
on the trial of Jesus.YOU ARE LYING AGAIN.
So? That pales against the three or four thousand scientists with a
specific given name (can't remember, can someone help me?) who have
signed as publically supporting Darwinism. In spite of that not being
a voting matter.
Steve. Project Steve, to be precise. I think it has about 1400
signatories, at least last I checked. The last time Joe brought up this
stupidity. A couple of weeks ago, IIRC.
He takes no notice, pretends it was never posted and screams
"EVIDENCE???????????????"
LIAR. I never even saw Project Steve. let alone demand evidence of it.
(15)Lee Lies about Joe's View On Evolution
In standard fundie fashion, he never says what his objections to
evolution actually are.
Let me make one thing very clear since the subject under discussion
is evolution.
Your pizza recipe proves you eat shit, ArtyJoe.
Show us where I posted a pizza recipe.
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
LYING SHIT BAG
Show us that list, officer.
I don't take orders from chickenshit punks.
You never took orders in the navy because you weren't in it.
Too bad. I supplied evidence to confirm that I was, but you were afraid to look at it. That's how chronic liars operate.
No, you just tried to start a wild goose chase, as liars do.
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Because there's no evidence that he ever did.


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Because there isn't. But there is loads of evidence proving that it cannot have happened.
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed =20
Because there's no evidence that he ever did.
Which is pretty much all I say.

But Mad Joe, like far too many stupid theists, has no idea of basic
logic.

But, given that the only source describes miracles, historical and
other impossibilities, not to mention retelling themes from Greek
mythology which the Gentiles expected of _their_ hero figures,
"prophecies" from the Greek Septuagint not the Hebrew original
(complete with mistranslations), and post-dates Pauline Christianity
because the Gospels were written when Certainty was being transformed
from a Jewish cult into a religion for the Gentiles - the conclusion
is both obvious and falsifiable,

Which isn't a claim.

But, even though all this has been pointed out repeatedly to Mad Joe,
he continues to take no notice.

If he disagrees, he should discuss these points instead of deleting
them and screaming "liar".
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r_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm =20
Which simply repeats the same old debunked apologetic nonsense.

In fact, Mad Joe only posted this for the first time _after_ ignoring
my points twice.
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(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence =20
Because there isn't. But there is loads of evidence proving that it cannot have happened.
Which he has never discussed. Again, he just screams "liar" and
repeats the same old nonsense - the first item of which factually
supports us, not him...

...It says that the first mention in secular literature, is more than
a thousand years after the claimed events.

Note that I don't go looking for theists to tell them any of this -
unlike those theists who attack us for not believing their myths and
legends, and who reap what they sow.
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(4)He claims that Jesus never existed =20
Because there's no evidence that he ever did.
Which is pretty much all I say.
But Mad Joe, like far too many stupid theists, has no idea of basic
logic.
But, given that the only source describes miracles, historical and
other impossibilities, not to mention retelling themes from Greek
mythology which the Gentiles expected of _their_ hero figures,
"prophecies" from the Greek Septuagint not the Hebrew original
(complete with mistranslations), and post-dates Pauline Christianity
because the Gospels were written when Certainty was being transformed
from a Jewish cult into a religion for the Gentiles - the conclusion
is both obvious and falsifiable,
Which isn't a claim.
But, even though all this has been pointed out repeatedly to Mad Joe,
he continues to take no notice.
I don't accept mere "pointing out" from liars. They must show me EVIDENCE. I wouldn't trust a scumbag like you to give me the right time.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
If he disagrees, he should discuss these points instead of deleting
them and screaming "liar".
Show us where I did that.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Jeanne Douglas
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_fo=
r_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm =20
Here it is again. It's all NON BIBLICAL, you lying sack of shit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=NON+BIBLICAL+EVIDENCE+FOR+JESUS&enablesearch=true
Ted
2017-10-23 21:02:27 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 04:00:45 -0500, "Jeanne Douglas"
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Lies By cHRISTOPHER lEE=20
(1)https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=3D#!searchin/alt.atheism/chr=
istopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/3PQI--jLk_g/WbTYBL4HowkJ =20
=20
=20
(2)> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=3D#!searchin/alt.atheism/c=
hristopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/rZQmKIXFU38/dRppiqtl0EMJ =20
=20
=20
(3)> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=3D#!searchin/alt.atheism/c=
hristopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/aL2Qqv__Rq0/vJk603V2DjUJ =20
(4)He claims that Jesus never existed =20
Because there's no evidence that he ever did.
Which is pretty much all I say.
But Mad Joe, like far too many stupid theists, has no idea of basic
logic.
But, given that the only source describes miracles, historical and
other impossibilities, not to mention retelling themes from Greek
mythology which the Gentiles expected of _their_ hero figures,
"prophecies" from the Greek Septuagint not the Hebrew original
(complete with mistranslations), and post-dates Pauline Christianity
because the Gospels were written when Certainty was being transformed
from a Jewish cult into a religion for the Gentiles - the conclusion
is both obvious and falsifiable,
Which isn't a claim.
But, even though all this has been pointed out repeatedly to Mad Joe,
he continues to take no notice.
I don't accept mere "pointing out" from liars. They must show me
EVIDENCE. I wouldn't trust a scumbag like you to give me the right time.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
If he disagrees, he should discuss these points instead of deleting
them and screaming "liar".
Show us where I did that.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Jeanne Douglas
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_fo=
r_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm =20
Here it is again. It's all NON BIBLICAL, you lying sack of shit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=NON+BIBLICAL+EVIDENCE+FOR+JESUS&enablesearch=true
Does your priest know you post non-Biblical garbage?
Kevrob
2017-10-23 22:05:20 UTC
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Does your priest know you post non-Biblical garbage?
It might seem like Tandy is carrying water for the Christian goyim,
but he's Jewish, so, rabbi.

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2017-10-24 21:50:17 UTC
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Does your priest know you post non-Biblical garbage?
It might seem like Tandy is carrying water for the Christian goyim,
but he's Jewish, so, rabbi.
He's the christians' Shabbas Kike.
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
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2017-10-24 18:44:17 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 04:00:45 -0500, "Jeanne Douglas"
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Lies By cHRISTOPHER lEE=20
(1)https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=3D#!searchin/alt.atheism/chr=
istopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/3PQI--jLk_g/WbTYBL4HowkJ =20
=20
=20
(2)> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=3D#!searchin/alt.atheism/c=
hristopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/rZQmKIXFU38/dRppiqtl0EMJ =20
=20
=20
(3)> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=3D#!searchin/alt.atheism/c=
hristopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/aL2Qqv__Rq0/vJk603V2DjUJ =20
(4)He claims that Jesus never existed =20
Because there's no evidence that he ever did.
Which is pretty much all I say.
But Mad Joe, like far too many stupid theists, has no idea of basic
logic.
But, given that the only source describes miracles, historical and
other impossibilities, not to mention retelling themes from Greek
mythology which the Gentiles expected of _their_ hero figures,
"prophecies" from the Greek Septuagint not the Hebrew original
(complete with mistranslations), and post-dates Pauline Christianity
because the Gospels were written when Certainty was being transformed
from a Jewish cult into a religion for the Gentiles - the conclusion
is both obvious and falsifiable,
Which isn't a claim.
But, even though all this has been pointed out repeatedly to Mad Joe,
he continues to take no notice.
I don't accept mere "pointing out" from liars. They must show me
EVIDENCE. I wouldn't trust a scumbag like you to give me the right time.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
If he disagrees, he should discuss these points instead of deleting
them and screaming "liar".
Show us where I did that.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Jeanne Douglas
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_fo=
r_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm =20
Here it is again. It's all NON BIBLICAL, you lying sack of shit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=NON+BIBLICAL+EVIDENCE+FOR+JESUS&enablesearch=true
Does your priest know you post non-Biblical garbage?
JEWS DON'T HAVE PRIESTS, YOU STUPID ASSHOLE.
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2017-10-24 22:39:35 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 04:00:45 -0500, "Jeanne Douglas"
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Lies By cHRISTOPHER lEE=20
(1)https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=3D#!searchin/alt.atheism/chr=
istopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/3PQI--jLk_g/WbTYBL4HowkJ =20
=20
=20
(2)> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=3D#!searchin/alt.atheism/c=
hristopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/rZQmKIXFU38/dRppiqtl0EMJ =20
=20
=20
(3)> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=3D#!searchin/alt.atheism/c=
hristopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/aL2Qqv__Rq0/vJk603V2DjUJ =20
(4)He claims that Jesus never existed =20
Because there's no evidence that he ever did.
Which is pretty much all I say.
But Mad Joe, like far too many stupid theists, has no idea of basic
logic.
But, given that the only source describes miracles, historical and
other impossibilities, not to mention retelling themes from Greek
mythology which the Gentiles expected of _their_ hero figures,
"prophecies" from the Greek Septuagint not the Hebrew original
(complete with mistranslations), and post-dates Pauline Christianity
because the Gospels were written when Certainty was being transformed
from a Jewish cult into a religion for the Gentiles - the conclusion
is both obvious and falsifiable,
Which isn't a claim.
But, even though all this has been pointed out repeatedly to Mad Joe,
he continues to take no notice.
I don't accept mere "pointing out" from liars. They must show me
EVIDENCE. I wouldn't trust a scumbag like you to give me the right time.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
If he disagrees, he should discuss these points instead of deleting
them and screaming "liar".
Show us where I did that.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Jeanne Douglas
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_fo=
r_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm =20
Here it is again. It's all NON BIBLICAL, you lying sack of shit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=NON+BIBLICAL+EVIDENCE+FOR+JESUS&enablesearch=true
Does your priest know you post non-Biblical garbage?
JEWS DON'T HAVE PRIESTS, YOU STUPID ASSHOLE.
Oh. Your pastor, then.
v***@gmail.com
2017-10-25 21:02:01 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 04:00:45 -0500, "Jeanne Douglas"
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Lies By cHRISTOPHER lEE=20
(1)https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=3D#!searchin/alt.atheism/chr=
istopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/3PQI--jLk_g/WbTYBL4HowkJ =20
=20
=20
(2)> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=3D#!searchin/alt.atheism/c=
hristopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/rZQmKIXFU38/dRppiqtl0EMJ =20
=20
=20
(3)> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=3D#!searchin/alt.atheism/c=
hristopher$20lee$2C$20lie/alt.atheism/aL2Qqv__Rq0/vJk603V2DjUJ =20
(4)He claims that Jesus never existed =20
Because there's no evidence that he ever did.
Which is pretty much all I say.
But Mad Joe, like far too many stupid theists, has no idea of basic
logic.
But, given that the only source describes miracles, historical and
other impossibilities, not to mention retelling themes from Greek
mythology which the Gentiles expected of _their_ hero figures,
"prophecies" from the Greek Septuagint not the Hebrew original
(complete with mistranslations), and post-dates Pauline Christianity
because the Gospels were written when Certainty was being transformed
from a Jewish cult into a religion for the Gentiles - the conclusion
is both obvious and falsifiable,
Which isn't a claim.
But, even though all this has been pointed out repeatedly to Mad Joe,
he continues to take no notice.
If he disagrees, he should discuss these points instead of deleting
them and screaming "liar".
Post by Jeanne Douglas
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.4223639/k.567/Ancient_Evidence_fo=
r_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm =20
Which simply repeats the same old debunked apologetic nonsense.
In fact, Mad Joe only posted this for the first time _after_ ignoring
my points twice.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
(5)He claims there is no evidence for Moses existence =20
Because there isn't. But there is loads of evidence proving that it cannot have happened.
Which he has never discussed. Again, he just screams "liar" and
repeats the same old nonsense - the first item of which factually
supports us, not him...
...It says that the first mention in secular literature, is more than
a thousand years after the claimed events.
Note that I don't go looking for theists to tell them any of this -
unlike those theists who attack us for not believing their myths and
legends, and who reap what they sow.
https://tinyurl.com/y8x4xpcu
Cloud Hobbit
2017-10-25 23:01:11 UTC
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Lee's lies exist only in your deranged little pea bran Art.

As usual YOU lied.
v***@gmail.com
2017-10-26 00:36:13 UTC
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Lee's lies exist only in your deranged little pea bran Art.
As usual YOU lied.
https://tinyurl.com/kw9jvq6
Mitchell Holman
2017-10-26 01:55:40 UTC
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Lee's lies exist only in your deranged little pea bran Art.
As usual YOU lied.
https://tinyurl.com/kw9jvq6
What federal law did Maddow violate, Arty/Joe?




"Maddow violated Federal law when she disclosed
details of Pres Trump's tax return on her show.
The FBI has been notified."
Arty/Joe, Oct 13, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/yaz8v8em
Ted
2017-10-26 09:22:25 UTC
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Lee's lies exist only in your deranged little pea bran Art.
As usual YOU lied.
https://tinyurl.com/kw9jvq6
ArtyJoe's pizza recipe proves he eats shit:

http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
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