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I was once fortunate enough to witness food being given to the gods at a
Hare Krishna temple. Can you elaborate, or point me to a reference, about
the gods' consumption of the food? TIA. :)
Christopher A. Lee
2017-07-16 12:27:39 UTC
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I was once fortunate enough to witness food being given to the gods at a
Hare Krishna temple. Can you elaborate, or point me to a reference, about
the gods' consumption of the food? TIA. :)
Just like my little sister's pretend friend, Iggi.

She'd kindly ask for a second piece of cake for Iggi - and then very
kindly eat it for her.
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2017-07-19 21:18:17 UTC
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I was once fortunate enough to witness food being given to the gods at a
Hare Krishna temple. Can you elaborate, or point me to a reference, about
the gods' consumption of the food? TIA. :)
Just like my little sister's pretend friend, Iggi.
She'd kindly ask for a second piece of cake for Iggi - and then very
kindly eat it for her.
LOL.
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2017-07-20 07:17:50 UTC
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Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler

By MARK BITTMAN

Published: January 27, 2008


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/weekinreview/27bittman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


SEA change in the consumption of a resource that Americans take for
granted may be in store — something cheap, plentiful, widely enjoyed
and a part of daily life. And it isn’t oil.

It’s meat.

The two commodities share a great deal: Like oil, meat is subsidized
by the federal government. Like oil, meat is subject to accelerating
demand as nations become wealthier, and this, in turn, sends prices
higher. Finally — like oil — meat is something people are encouraged
to consume less of, as the toll exacted by industrial production
increases, and becomes
increasingly visible.

Global demand for meat has multiplied in recent years, encouraged by
growing affluence and nourished by the proliferation of huge, confined
animal feeding operations. These assembly-line meat factories consume
enormous amounts of energy, pollute water supplies, generate
significant greenhousegases and require ever-increasing amounts of
corn, soy and other grains, a
dependency that has led to the destruction of vast swaths of the
world’s tropical rain forests.

Just this week, the president of Brazil announced emergency measures
to halt the burning and cutting of the country’s rain forests for crop
and grazingland. In the last five months alone, the government says,
1,250 square miles were lost.

The world’s total meat supply was 71 million tons in 1961. In 2007, it
was estimated to be 284 million tons. Per capita consumption has more
than doubled over that period. (In the developing world, it rose twice
as fast, doubling in the last 20 years.) World meat consumption is
expected to double again by 2050, which one expert, Henning Steinfeld
of the United Nations, says is resulting in a “relentless growth in
livestock production.”

Americans eat about the same amount of meat as we have for some time,
about eight ounces a day, roughly twice the global average. At about 5
percent ofthe world’s population, we “process” (that is, grow and
kill) nearly 10 billion animals a year, more than 15 percent of the
world’s total.

Growing meat (it’s hard to use the word “raising” when applied to
animals in factory farms) uses so many resources that it’s a challenge
to enumerate them all. But consider: an estimated 30 percent of the
earth’s ice-free land is directly or indirectly involved in livestock
production, according to the United Nation’s Food and Agriculture
Organization, which also estimates that
livestock production generates nearly a fifth of the world’s
greenhouse gases — more than transportation.

To put the energy-using demand of meat production into
easy-to-understand terms, Gidon Eshel, a geophysicist at the Bard
Center, and Pamela A. Martin, an assistant professor of geophysics at
the University of Chicago, calculated that if Americans were to reduce
meat consumption by just 20 percent it would be as if we all switched
from a standard sedan — a Camry,
say — to the ultra-efficient Prius. Similarly, a study last year by
the National Institute of Livestock and Grassland Science in Japan
estimated that 2.2 pounds of beef is responsible for the equivalent
amount of carbon dioxide emitted by the average European car every 155
miles, and burnsenough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for nearly 20
days.

Grain, meat and even energy are roped together in a way that could
have dire results. More meat means a corresponding increase in demand
for feed, especially corn and soy, which some experts say will
contribute to higher prices.

This will be inconvenient for citizens of wealthier nations, but it
could have tragic consequences for those of poorer ones, especially if
higher prices for feed divert production away from food crops. The
demand for ethanol is already pushing up prices, and explains, in
part, the 40 percent rise last year in the food price index calculated
by the United Nations’ Food and Agricultural Organization.

Though some 800 million people on the planet now suffer from hunger or
malnutrition, the majority of corn and soy grown in the world feeds
cattle, pigs and chickens. This despite the inherent inefficiencies:
about two tofive times more grain is required to produce the same
amount of calories through livestock as through direct grain
consumption, according to Rosamond
Naylor, an associate professor of economics at Stanford University. It
is as much as 10 times more in the case of grain-fed beef in the
United States.

The environmental impact of growing so much grain for animal feed is
profound. Agriculture in the United States — much of which now serves
thedemand for meat — contributes to nearly three-quarters of all
water-quality problems in the nation’s rivers and streams, according
to the Environmental Protection Agency.

Because the stomachs of cattle are meant to digest grass, not grain,
cattle raised industrially thrive only in the sense that they gain
weight quickly. This diet made it possible to remove cattle from their
natural environment and encourage the efficiency of mass confinement
and slaughter. But itcauses enough health problems that administration
of antibiotics is routine, so much so that it can result in
antibiotic-resistant bacteria that threaten the usefulness of
medicines that treat people.

Those grain-fed animals, in turn, are contributing to health problems
among the world’s wealthier citizens — heart disease, some types of
cancer, diabetes. The argument that meat provides useful protein makes
sense, if the quantities are small. But the “you gotta eat meat” claim
collapses at American levels. Even if the amount of meat we eat
weren’t harmful, it’s way
more than enough.

Americans are downing close to 200 pounds of meat, poultry and fish
per capita per year (dairy and eggs are separate, and hardly
insignificant), an increase of 50 pounds per person from 50 years ago.
We each consume something like 110 grams of protein a day, about twice
the federal government’s recommended allowance; of that, about 75
grams come from animal
protein. (The recommended level is itself considered by many dietary
experts to be higher than it needs to be.) It’s likely that most of us
would do just fine on around 30 grams of protein a day, virtually all
of it from plant sources .

What can be done? There’s no simple answer. Better waste management,
for one. Eliminating subsidies would also help; the United Nations
estimates that they account for 31 percent of global farm income.
Improved farming practices would help, too. Mark W. Rosegrant,
director of environment and production technology at the nonprofit
International Food Policy Research
Institute, says, “There should be investment in livestock breeding and
management, to reduce the footprint needed to produce any given level
of meat.”

Then there’s technology. Israel and Korea are among the countries
experimenting with using animal waste to generate electricity. Some of
the biggest hog operations in the United States are working, with some
success, to turn manure into fuel.

Longer term, it no longer seems lunacy to believe in the possibility
of “meat without feet” — meat produced in vitro, by growing animal
cells in a super-rich nutrient environment before being further
manipulated into burgers and steaks.

Another suggestion is a return to grazing beef, a very real
alternative as long as you accept the psychologically difficult and
politically unpopular notion of eating less of it. That’s because
grazing could never produce as many cattle as feedlots do. Still, said
Michael Pollan, author of the recent book “In Defense of Food,” “In
places where you can’t grow grain, fattening cows on grass is always
going to make more sense.”

But pigs and chickens, which convert grain to meat far more
efficiently than beef, are increasingly the meats of choice for
producers, accounting for 70 percent of total meat production, with
industrialized systems producing half that pork and three-quarters of
the chicken.

Once, these animals were raised locally (even many New Yorkers
remember the pigs of Secaucus), reducing transportation costs and
allowing their manure to be spread on nearby fields. Now hog
production facilities that resemble prisons more than farms are
hundreds of miles from major population centers, and their manure
“lagoons” pollute streams and groundwater. (In Iowa alone, hog
factories and farms produce more than 50 million tons of excrement
annually.)

These problems originated here, but are no longer limited to the
United States. While the domestic demand for meat has leveled off, the
industrial production of livestock is growing more than twice as fast
as land-based methods, according to the United Nations.

Perhaps the best hope for change lies in consumers’ becoming aware of
the true costs of industrial meat production. “When you look at
environmental problems in the U.S.,” says Professor Eshel, “nearly all
of them have their source in food production and in particular meat
production. And factory farming is ‘optimal’ only as long as degrading
waterways is free. If dumping this stuff becomes costly — even if it
simply carries a non-zero price tag — the entire structure of food
production will change dramatically.”

Animal welfare may not yet be a major concern, but as the horrors of
raising meat in confinement become known, more animal lovers may start
to react. And would the world not be a better place were some of the
grain we use to grow meat directed instead to feed our fellow human
beings?

Real prices of beef, pork and poultry have held steady, perhaps even
decreased, for 40 years or more (in part because of grain subsidies),
though we’re beginning to see them increase now. But many experts,
including Tyler Cowen, a professor of economics at George Mason
University, say they don’t believe meat prices will rise high enough
to affect demand in the United
States.

“I just don’t think we can count on market prices to reduce our meat
consumption,” he said. “There may be a temporary spike in food prices,
but it will almost certainly be reversed and then some. But if all the
burden is put on eaters, that’s not a tragic state of affairs.”

If price spikes don’t change eating habits, perhaps the combination of
deforestation, pollution, climate change, starvation, heart disease
and animal cruelty will gradually encourage the simple daily act of
eating more plants and fewer animals.

Mr. Rosegrant of the food policy research institute says he foresees
“a stronger public relations campaign in the reduction of meat
consumption — one like that around cigarettes — emphasizing personal
health, compassion for animals, and doing good for the poor and the
planet.”

It wouldn’t surprise Professor Eshel if all of this had a real impact.
“The good of people’s bodies and the good of the planet are more or
less perfectly aligned,” he said.

The United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization, in its detailed
2006 study of the impact of meat consumption on the planet,
“Livestock’s Long Shadow,” made a similar point: “There are reasons
for optimism that the conflicting demands for animal products and
environmental services can be reconciled. Both demands are exerted by
the same group of people ... the
relatively affluent, middle- to high-income class, which is no longer
confined to industrialized countries. ... This group of consumers is
probably ready to use its growing voice to exert pressure for change
and may be willing to absorb the inevitable price increases.”

In fact, Americans are already buying more environmentally friendly
products, choosing more sustainably produced meat, eggs and dairy. The
number of farmers’ markets has more than doubled in the last 10 years
or so, and it has escaped no one’s notice that the organic food market
is growing fast. These all represent products that are more expensive
but of higher quality.

If those trends continue, meat may become a treat rather than a
routine. It won’t be uncommon, but just as surely as the S.U.V. will
yield to the hybrid, the half-pound-a-day meat era will end.

Maybe that’s not such a big deal. “Who said people had to eat meat
three times a day?” asked Mr. Pollan.

Have a look at my art -

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

https://photos.google.com/u/1/?hl=en
Jeanne Douglas
2017-07-20 13:12:25 UTC
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Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
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2017-07-22 16:13:31 UTC
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Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
By MARK BITTMAN
Published: January 27, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/weekinreview/27bittman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
SEA change in the consumption of a resource that Americans take for
granted may be in store — something cheap, plentiful, widely enjoyed
and a part of daily life. And it isn’t oil.
It’s meat.
The two commodities share a great deal: Like oil, meat is subsidized
by the federal government. Like oil, meat is subject to accelerating
demand as nations become wealthier, and this, in turn, sends prices
higher. Finally — like oil — meat is something people are encouraged
to consume less of, as the toll exacted by industrial production
increases, and becomes
increasingly visible.
Global demand for meat has multiplied in recent years, encouraged by
growing affluence and nourished by the proliferation of huge, confined
animal feeding operations. These assembly-line meat factories consume
enormous amounts of energy, pollute water supplies, generate
significant greenhousegases and require ever-increasing amounts of
corn, soy and other grains, a
dependency that has led to the destruction of vast swaths of the
world’s tropical rain forests.
Just this week, the president of Brazil announced emergency measures
to halt the burning and cutting of the country’s rain forests for crop
and grazingland. In the last five months alone, the government says,
1,250 square miles were lost.
The world’s total meat supply was 71 million tons in 1961. In 2007, it
was estimated to be 284 million tons. Per capita consumption has more
than doubled over that period. (In the developing world, it rose twice
as fast, doubling in the last 20 years.) World meat consumption is
expected to double again by 2050, which one expert, Henning Steinfeld
of the United Nations, says is resulting in a “relentless growth in
livestock production.”
Americans eat about the same amount of meat as we have for some time,
about eight ounces a day, roughly twice the global average. At about 5
percent ofthe world’s population, we “process” (that is, grow and
kill) nearly 10 billion animals a year, more than 15 percent of the
world’s total.
Growing meat (it’s hard to use the word “raising” when applied to
animals in factory farms) uses so many resources that it’s a challenge
to enumerate them all. But consider: an estimated 30 percent of the
earth’s ice-free land is directly or indirectly involved in livestock
production, according to the United Nation’s Food and Agriculture
Organization, which also estimates that
livestock production generates nearly a fifth of the world’s
greenhouse gases — more than transportation.
To put the energy-using demand of meat production into
easy-to-understand terms, Gidon Eshel, a geophysicist at the Bard
Center, and Pamela A. Martin, an assistant professor of geophysics at
the University of Chicago, calculated that if Americans were to reduce
meat consumption by just 20 percent it would be as if we all switched
from a standard sedan — a Camry,
say — to the ultra-efficient Prius. Similarly, a study last year by
the National Institute of Livestock and Grassland Science in Japan
estimated that 2.2 pounds of beef is responsible for the equivalent
amount of carbon dioxide emitted by the average European car every 155
miles, and burnsenough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for nearly 20
days.
Grain, meat and even energy are roped together in a way that could
have dire results. More meat means a corresponding increase in demand
for feed, especially corn and soy, which some experts say will
contribute to higher prices.
This will be inconvenient for citizens of wealthier nations, but it
could have tragic consequences for those of poorer ones, especially if
higher prices for feed divert production away from food crops. The
demand for ethanol is already pushing up prices, and explains, in
part, the 40 percent rise last year in the food price index calculated
by the United Nations’ Food and Agricultural Organization.
Though some 800 million people on the planet now suffer from hunger or
malnutrition, the majority of corn and soy grown in the world feeds
about two tofive times more grain is required to produce the same
amount of calories through livestock as through direct grain
consumption, according to Rosamond
Naylor, an associate professor of economics at Stanford University. It
is as much as 10 times more in the case of grain-fed beef in the
United States.
The environmental impact of growing so much grain for animal feed is
profound. Agriculture in the United States — much of which now serves
thedemand for meat — contributes to nearly three-quarters of all
water-quality problems in the nation’s rivers and streams, according
to the Environmental Protection Agency.
Because the stomachs of cattle are meant to digest grass, not grain,
cattle raised industrially thrive only in the sense that they gain
weight quickly. This diet made it possible to remove cattle from their
natural environment and encourage the efficiency of mass confinement
and slaughter. But itcauses enough health problems that administration
of antibiotics is routine, so much so that it can result in
antibiotic-resistant bacteria that threaten the usefulness of
medicines that treat people.
Those grain-fed animals, in turn, are contributing to health problems
among the world’s wealthier citizens — heart disease, some types of
cancer, diabetes. The argument that meat provides useful protein makes
sense, if the quantities are small. But the “you gotta eat meat” claim
collapses at American levels. Even if the amount of meat we eat
weren’t harmful, it’s way
more than enough.
Americans are downing close to 200 pounds of meat, poultry and fish
per capita per year (dairy and eggs are separate, and hardly
insignificant), an increase of 50 pounds per person from 50 years ago.
We each consume something like 110 grams of protein a day, about twice
the federal government’s recommended allowance; of that, about 75
grams come from animal
protein. (The recommended level is itself considered by many dietary
experts to be higher than it needs to be.) It’s likely that most of us
would do just fine on around 30 grams of protein a day, virtually all
of it from plant sources .
What can be done? There’s no simple answer. Better waste management,
for one. Eliminating subsidies would also help; the United Nations
estimates that they account for 31 percent of global farm income.
Improved farming practices would help, too. Mark W. Rosegrant,
director of environment and production technology at the nonprofit
International Food Policy Research
Institute, says, “There should be investment in livestock breeding and
management, to reduce the footprint needed to produce any given level
of meat.”
Then there’s technology. Israel and Korea are among the countries
experimenting with using animal waste to generate electricity. Some of
the biggest hog operations in the United States are working, with some
success, to turn manure into fuel.
Longer term, it no longer seems lunacy to believe in the possibility
of “meat without feet” — meat produced in vitro, by growing animal
cells in a super-rich nutrient environment before being further
manipulated into burgers and steaks.
Another suggestion is a return to grazing beef, a very real
alternative as long as you accept the psychologically difficult and
politically unpopular notion of eating less of it. That’s because
grazing could never produce as many cattle as feedlots do. Still, said
Michael Pollan, author of the recent book “In Defense of Food,” “In
places where you can’t grow grain, fattening cows on grass is always
going to make more sense.”
But pigs and chickens, which convert grain to meat far more
efficiently than beef, are increasingly the meats of choice for
producers, accounting for 70 percent of total meat production, with
industrialized systems producing half that pork and three-quarters of
the chicken.
Once, these animals were raised locally (even many New Yorkers
remember the pigs of Secaucus), reducing transportation costs and
allowing their manure to be spread on nearby fields. Now hog
production facilities that resemble prisons more than farms are
hundreds of miles from major population centers, and their manure
“lagoons” pollute streams and groundwater. (In Iowa alone, hog
factories and farms produce more than 50 million tons of excrement
annually.)
These problems originated here, but are no longer limited to the
United States. While the domestic demand for meat has leveled off, the
industrial production of livestock is growing more than twice as fast
as land-based methods, according to the United Nations.
Perhaps the best hope for change lies in consumers’ becoming aware of
the true costs of industrial meat production. “When you look at
environmental problems in the U.S.,” says Professor Eshel, “nearly all
of them have their source in food production and in particular meat
production. And factory farming is ‘optimal’ only as long as degrading
waterways is free. If dumping this stuff becomes costly — even if it
simply carries a non-zero price tag — the entire structure of food
production will change dramatically.”
Animal welfare may not yet be a major concern, but as the horrors of
raising meat in confinement become known, more animal lovers may start
to react. And would the world not be a better place were some of the
grain we use to grow meat directed instead to feed our fellow human
beings?
Real prices of beef, pork and poultry have held steady, perhaps even
decreased, for 40 years or more (in part because of grain subsidies),
though we’re beginning to see them increase now. But many experts,
including Tyler Cowen, a professor of economics at George Mason
University, say they don’t believe meat prices will rise high enough
to affect demand in the United
States.
“I just don’t think we can count on market prices to reduce our meat
consumption,” he said. “There may be a temporary spike in food prices,
but it will almost certainly be reversed and then some. But if all the
burden is put on eaters, that’s not a tragic state of affairs.”
If price spikes don’t change eating habits, perhaps the combination of
deforestation, pollution, climate change, starvation, heart disease
and animal cruelty will gradually encourage the simple daily act of
eating more plants and fewer animals.
Mr. Rosegrant of the food policy research institute says he foresees
“a stronger public relations campaign in the reduction of meat
consumption — one like that around cigarettes — emphasizing personal
health, compassion for animals, and doing good for the poor and the
planet.”
It wouldn’t surprise Professor Eshel if all of this had a real impact.
“The good of people’s bodies and the good of the planet are more or
less perfectly aligned,” he said.
The United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization, in its detailed
2006 study of the impact of meat consumption on the planet,
“Livestock’s Long Shadow,” made a similar point: “There are reasons
for optimism that the conflicting demands for animal products and
environmental services can be reconciled. Both demands are exerted by
the same group of people ... the
relatively affluent, middle- to high-income class, which is no longer
confined to industrialized countries. ... This group of consumers is
probably ready to use its growing voice to exert pressure for change
and may be willing to absorb the inevitable price increases.”
In fact, Americans are already buying more environmentally friendly
products, choosing more sustainably produced meat, eggs and dairy. The
number of farmers’ markets has more than doubled in the last 10 years
or so, and it has escaped no one’s notice that the organic food market
is growing fast. These all represent products that are more expensive
but of higher quality.
If those trends continue, meat may become a treat rather than a
routine. It won’t be uncommon, but just as surely as the S.U.V. will
yield to the hybrid, the half-pound-a-day meat era will end.
Maybe that’s not such a big deal. “Who said people had to eat meat
three times a day?” asked Mr. Pollan.
Have a look at my art -
http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
https://photos.google.com/u/1/?hl=en
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Rudy Canoza
2017-07-23 06:20:43 UTC
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.

I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Ted
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Rudy Canoza
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as
Jared Kushner is - that is, not at all.
Ted
2017-07-23 09:31:25 UTC
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as Jared
Kushner is - that is, not at all.
That seems kinda silly. And unnecessary.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-07-23 09:51:42 UTC
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as Jared
Kushner is - that is, not at all.
That seems kinda silly. And unnecessary.
Jesper (aka Jahnu) isn't American.
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as Jared
Kushner is - that is, not at all.
That seems kinda silly. And unnecessary.
Jesper (aka Jahnu) isn't American.
From where does he hail?
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as Jared
Kushner is - that is, not at all.
That seems kinda silly. And unnecessary.
Jesper (aka Jahnu) isn't American.
From where does he hail?
Denmark.
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as Jared
Kushner is - that is, not at all.
That seems kinda silly. And unnecessary.
Jesper (aka Jahnu) isn't American.
From where does he hail?
Denmark.
Denmark, India? <j/k>
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as Jared
Kushner is - that is, not at all.
That seems kinda silly. And unnecessary.
Jesper (aka Jahnu) isn't American.
From where does he hail?
Denmark.
Denmark, India? <j/k>
Well, now he's in India. But he started out in Denmark.
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as Jared
Kushner is - that is, not at all.
That seems kinda silly. And unnecessary.
Jesper (aka Jahnu) isn't American.
From where does he hail?
Denmark.
Denmark, India? <j/k>
Well, now he's in India. But he started out in Denmark.
Oh, so he moved to India. I once knew a woman who planned to move there
because she was into one of their religions.
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2017-07-26 03:40:18 UTC
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as Jared
Kushner is - that is, not at all.
That seems kinda silly. And unnecessary.
Jesper (aka Jahnu) isn't American.
From where does he hail?
Denmark.
Denmark, India? <j/k>
Well, now he's in India. But he started out in Denmark.
Oh, so he moved to India. I once knew a woman who planned to move there
because she was into one of their religions.
Speaking of Westerners I highly recommend the two movies "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel" and "The Second Best Exotic Marigold Hotel". Lovely films.
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as Jared
Kushner is - that is, not at all.
That seems kinda silly. And unnecessary.
Jesper (aka Jahnu) isn't American.
From where does he hail?
Denmark.
Denmark, India? <j/k>
Well, now he's in India. But he started out in Denmark.
Oh, so he moved to India. I once knew a woman who planned to move there
because she was into one of their religions.
Speaking of Westerners I highly recommend the two movies "The Best Exotic
Marigold Hotel" and "The Second Best Exotic Marigold Hotel". Lovely films.
Thank you.
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as Jared
Kushner is - that is, not at all.
That seems kinda silly. And unnecessary.
Jesper (aka Jahnu) isn't American.
From where does he hail?
Denmark.
Denmark, India? <j/k>
Well, now he's in India. But he started out in Denmark.
Oh, so he moved to India. I once knew a woman who planned to move there
because she was into one of their religions.
Speaking of Westerners I highly recommend the two movies "The Best Exotic
Marigold Hotel" and "The Second Best Exotic Marigold Hotel". Lovely films.
Thank you.
Of course, that was supposed to read "Westerners moving to India".
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as Jared
Kushner is - that is, not at all.
That seems kinda silly. And unnecessary.
Jesper (aka Jahnu) isn't American.
From where does he hail?
Denmark.
Denmark, India? <j/k>
Well, now he's in India. But he started out in Denmark.
Oh, so he moved to India. I once knew a woman who planned to move there
because she was into one of their religions.
Speaking of Westerners I highly recommend the two movies "The Best Exotic
Marigold Hotel" and "The Second Best Exotic Marigold Hotel". Lovely films.
Thank you.
Of course, that was supposed to read "Westerners moving to India".
Of course. :)
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony. Don't
be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai Maharej",
another pious-sounding but entirely *FAKE* Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
Thanks for the information, Rudy. I'll definitely have a look. I hadn't
known you were already familiar with him.
Both of them are 100% ethnically white Americans who have dishonestly
adopted Hindoo names and phony persona. They are as much Hindoo as Jared
Kushner is - that is, not at all.
That seems kinda silly. And unnecessary.
Jesper (aka Jahnu) isn't American.
Right. He's Danish (as in Denmark). His real name is Jesper Wernberg.

Maybe Rudy is upset that we found out he's just a sockpuppet for Jonathan Ball.
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony.
Don't be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai
Maharej", another pious-sounding but entirely FAKE Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them
seriously.
You're not really being all that specific about which bits of the
factual information given are inaccurate...
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony.
Don't be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai
Maharej", another pious-sounding but entirely FAKE Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
You're not really being all that specific about which bits of the
factual information given are inaccurate...
There were no bits of factual information.
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LOL.
Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler
[load of "vegan" bullshit]
Informative and enlightening. Thank you, Jahnu.
Go back and read the fake Hindoo's posts from early 2000s in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian. He's a complete fraud and phony.
Don't be taken in. He's at least as bad as Jay Stevens, aka "Jai
Maharej", another pious-sounding but entirely FAKE Hindoo.
I've bollixed both of these fucktards for years, Ted. You know I
wouldn't fib to you about that. Don't take either one of them seriously.
You're not really being all that specific about which bits of the
factual information given are inaccurate...
There were no bits of factual information.
Here's one sentence.

"Just this week, the president of Brazil announced emergency measures
to halt the burning and cutting of the country’s rain forests for crop
and grazingland. In the last five months alone, the government says,
1,250 square miles were lost."

Pretty clearly stated factual claim there, do you have any reason to
believe it's inaccurate?

Like, you couldn't really say you've been all that specific about what
the deficiencies are in the post that he wrote, I don't really have any
strongly held opinion or interest one way or the other.
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Here's one sentence.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"


Vegetarian food leaves a deep impression on our nature. If the whole
world adopts vegetarianism, it can change the destiny of humankind.

~ Albert Einstein
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Here's one sentence.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
Bullshit.
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Bullshit.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989


The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16


The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year


The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times


The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33


The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.


The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004


The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive


The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous vegetarians:
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Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3

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Bullshit.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
You can't.
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You can't.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
-Albert Einstein
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You can't.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
Bullshit.
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Bullshit.
As far as eating is concerned, humans are the most stupid animals on
the planet. We kill billions of wild animals to protect the animals
that we eat. We are destroying our environment to feed the animals
that we eat. We spend more time, money and resources fattening up the
animals that we eat, than we do feeding humans who are dying of
hunger. The greatest irony of this is that after all the expenses of
raising these animals, we eat them; and they kill us slowly... And
rather than recognize this madness, we torture and murder millions of
other animals to find cure to diseases caused by eating animals in the
first place.

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Bullshit.
As far as eating is concerned,
You must know that trying to browbeat us into giving up meat is the best way to ensure that we never do.

So, since you must know this, we all now know that you don't want us to give up meat, and that you're horribly envious of us because we do eat meat.

I wonder what your favorite meal was back in Denmark.
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Bullshit.
As far as eating is concerned,
You must know that trying to browbeat us into giving up meat is the best way to ensure that we never do.
So, since you must know this, we all now know that you don't want us to give up meat, and that you're horribly envious of us because we do eat meat.
I wonder what your favorite meal was back in Denmark.
Danish bacon is very good
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Bullshit.
As far as eating is concerned,
You must know that trying to browbeat us into giving up meat is the best way to ensure that we never do.
So, since you must know this, we all now know that you don't want us to give up meat, and that you're horribly envious of us because we do eat meat.
I wonder what your favorite meal was back in Denmark.
Chicken, turkey, duck, goose, beef, lamb, mutton, veal, sauerbraten, sausage,
pork, BACON!
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2017-07-31 02:11:42 UTC
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Bullshit.
As far as eating is concerned,
Meat is a perfectly normal thing for humans to eat. Yees.
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2017-08-01 10:51:09 UTC
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Meat is a perfectly normal thing for humans to eat. Yees.
yummy yummy corpse in my tummy.

Of course it's normal. The meat industry is the second largest
business in the world only topped by the weapons industry.

That's why modern people are so depressed and sickly. Humans are
designed to be herbivores. Humans share all traits with the herbivores
of nature and none with the carnivores.

http://meatyourfuture.com/2015/09/herbivores-carnivores/




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Bullshit.
As far as eating is concerned,
Meat is a perfectly normal thing for humans to eat. Yes.
yummy
You already played that losing hand, Jesper.
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2017-08-02 03:34:34 UTC
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You already played that losing hand, Jesper.
Loser? hahaha :) That's actually funny coming from a corpse eater. I
hope t God you don't have any kids. Imagine that, feeding your kids
corpse. Is it any wonder the world is going to hell these days?

It's already the walking dead.

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From: Internet: "Radha Krishna Nambiar"
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Date: 31-Jan-04 08:38
To: ***@indiatimes.com
Cc: Granddisciples (of Srila Prabhupada) [6596]
Subject: cow killing that is going on
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Downed Cow

The true story of one anonymous animal born into the meat industry.
The truck carrying this cow was unloaded at Walton Stockyards in
Kentucky one September morning. After the other animals were removed
from the truck, she was left behind, unable to move. The stockyard
workers used the customary electric prods in her ear to try to get her
out of the truck, then beat and kicked her in the face, ribs, and
back, but still she didn’t move. They tied a rope around her neck,
tied the other end to a post in the ground, and drove the truck away.
The cow was dragged along the floor of the truck and fell to the
ground, landing with both hind legs and her pelvis broken. She
remained like that until 7:30 that evening.

For the first three hours, she lay in the hot sun crying out.
Periodically, when she urinated or defecated, she used her front legs
to drag herself along the gravel roadway to a clean spot. She also
tried to crawl to a shaded area but couldn’t move far enough.
Altogether, she managed to crawl a painful 13 to14 yards. The
stockyard employees wouldn’t allow her any drinking water; the only
water she received was given to her by Jessie Pierce, a local animal
rights activist, who had been contacted by a woman who witnessed the
incident. Jessie arrived at noon. After receiving no cooperation from
stockyard workers, she called the Kenton County police. A police
officer arrived but was instructed by his superiors to do nothing; he
left at 1 p.m. The stockyard operator informed Jessie that he had
permission from the insurance company to kill the cow but wouldn’t do
it until Jessie left.

Although doubtful that he would keep his word, Jessie left at 3 p.m.
She returned at 4:30 p.m. and found the stockyard deserted. Three dogs
were attacking the cow, who was still alive. She had suffered a number
of bite wounds, and her drinking water had been removed. Jessie
contacted the state police. Four officers arrived at 5:30 p.m. State
trooper Jan Wuchner wanted to shoot the cow but was told that a
veterinarian should kill her. The two veterinarians at the facility
would not euthanize her, claiming that in order to preserve the value
of the meat, she could not be destroyed. The butcher eventually
arrived at 7:30 p.m. and shot the cow. Her body was purchased for
$307.50.

When the stockyard operator was questioned by a reporter from The
Kentucky Post, he stated, 'We didn’t do a damned thing to it,' and
referred to the attention given the cow by humane workers and police
as 'bullcrap.' He laughed throughout the interview, saying that he
found nothing wrong with the way the cow was treated.

This is not an isolated case; in fact, it’s so common that animals in
this condition are known in the meat industry as 'downers,' and no
effort is made by industry insiders or the U.S. Department of
Agriculture to see that they are treated more humanely. It is standard
practice for stockyard workers to find 'downed' animals, tie them to
the back of a pickup truck, and drag them to an area where they are
piled on top of each other to await the butcher.

The handling of 'downer' animals has proved that the meat industry
cannot monitor itself. It’s up to the public to demand change and to
refuse to purchase the products of this miserable industry.




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You already played that losing hand, Jesper.
Loser? hahaha :) That's actually funny coming from a corpse eater. I
hope t God you don't have any kids. Imagine that, feeding your kids
corpse. Is it any wonder the world is going to hell these days?
It's already the walking dead.
Gawd, you really can be quite boring.
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Bullshit.
As far as eating is concerned,
Meat is a perfectly normal thing for humans to eat. Yes.
yummy
You already played that losing hand, Jesper.
Loser?
Yes, Jesper: *loser*.
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That's actually funny coming from a corpse eater.
<chuckle> Another losing hand, Jesper. Calling meat a "corpse" is an
invalid appeal to emotion, faggot Jesper. It also shows that you are
concerned only with aesthetics, *not* with ethics.

Loser Jesper. Now that's funny. Portraying yourself as a fake Hindoo
and calling yourself "Jahnu" isn't far behind.
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You already played that losing hand, Jesper.
Loser?
Of course. Is there a more appropriate word for you in the English
language? Not that I can think of. Reality check: you haven't won an
argument here with anyone, ever, Jesper, and you're an incompetent,
uneducated moron who would have been dead in a gutter long ago if you
didn't have a cult to take care of you. "Loser"? You should tattoo it
on your forehead in reverse, so you can be reminded of it every time
you look in a mirror.
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You already played that losing hand, Jesper.
Loser?
Of course. Is there a more appropriate word for you in the English
language? Not that I can think of. Reality check: you haven't won an
argument here with anyone, ever, Jesper, and you're an incompetent,
uneducated moron who would have been dead in a gutter long ago if you
didn't have a cult to take care of you. "Loser"? You should tattoo it
on your forehead in reverse, so you can be reminded of it every time
you look in a mirror.
There mere fact that a lily-white Dane feels an urge to pose as a fake
Hindoo calling himself "Jahnu" stamps him permanently as a loser.

Is Jesper a Hare Krishna cult adherent?
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You already played that losing hand, Jesper.
Loser?
Of course. Is there a more appropriate word for you in the English
language? Not that I can think of. Reality check: you haven't won an
argument here with anyone, ever, Jesper, and you're an incompetent,
uneducated moron who would have been dead in a gutter long ago if you
didn't have a cult to take care of you. "Loser"? You should tattoo it
on your forehead in reverse, so you can be reminded of it every time
you look in a mirror.
There mere fact that a lily-white Dane feels an urge to pose as a fake
Hindoo calling himself "Jahnu" stamps him permanently as a loser.
Is Jesper a Hare Krishna cult adherent?
Yes. And they are taking care of him. They didn't realize that they were converting a loonie. Now, they're stuck with him. I'd guess they gave him
a computer to shut him up.
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Of course. Is there a more appropriate word for you in the English
language? Not that I can think of. Reality check: you haven't won an
argument here with anyone, ever, Jesper, and you're an incompetent,
uneducated moron who would have been dead in a gutter long ago if you
didn't have a cult to take care of you. Loser? [...]
Sadly, your commentary is inaccurate. To be a loser, one must play out the
game instead of forfeiting it. J found a group of people who told him it's
okay to abandon adult responsabilities, and so he took the easy way out. He
does not merit even being called a loser in life. Quitter or coward would
each be more accurate.

Maybe if his brain were not suffering from malnutrition caused by his
cult's dietary taboos he might be a bit more reasonable.
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Of course. Is there a more appropriate word for you in the English
language? Not that I can think of. Reality check: you haven't won an
argument here with anyone, ever, Jesper, and you're an incompetent,
uneducated moron who would have been dead in a gutter long ago if you
didn't have a cult to take care of you. Loser? [...]
Sadly, your commentary is inaccurate. To be a loser, one must play out the
game instead of forfeiting it. J found a group of people who told him it's
okay to abandon adult responsabilities, and so he took the easy way out. He
does not merit even being called a loser in life. Quitter or coward would
each be more accurate.
Maybe if his brain were not suffering from malnutrition caused by his
cult's dietary taboos he might be a bit more reasonable.
I see Jesper has made friends in numerous other groups.
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HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989


The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16


The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year


The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times


The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33


The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.


The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:1
Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004


The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive


The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous vegetarians:
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Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3


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HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
You can't win that argument, Jesper. This has been proved. Both the
"ethical" [sic] and health arguments, which actually were not arguments
at all, have been completely demolished.

Meat is a perfectly ethical thing to eat, and it is healthful and
nutritious to eat it. This is settled beyond dispute.
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Maybe if his brain were not suffering from malnutrition caused by
his cult's dietary taboos he might be a bit more reasonable.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
You can't win that argument, Jesper. This has been proved. Both the
"ethical" [sic] and health arguments, which actually were not
arguments at all, have been completely demolished.
Meat is a perfectly ethical thing to eat, and it is healthful and
nutritious to eat it. This is settled beyond dispute.
Please go to the Compassion in World Farming website and find the
document about the lives of broiler chickens which I have posted many
times. Then either produce reliable sources showing that the factual
information is wrong or offer a defence of your claim that it is
perfectly ethically legitimate to buy that product. Looking forward to
your concession of complete and total defeat, most likely by snipping
almost all of what I wrote. Keep up the good work. Have a good one.
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Maybe if his brain were not suffering from malnutrition caused by
his cult's dietary taboos he might be a bit more reasonable.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
You can't win that argument, Jesper. This has been proved. Both the
"ethical" [sic] and health arguments, which actually were not
arguments at all, have been completely demolished.
Meat is a perfectly ethical thing to eat, and it is healthful and
nutritious to eat it. This is settled beyond dispute.
Please go to the Compassion in World Farming website and
Please fuck off. Eating meat is ethical. This is settled; there is no
dispute.
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Maybe if his brain were not suffering from malnutrition
caused by his cult's dietary taboos he might be a bit more
reasonable.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
You can't win that argument, Jesper. This has been proved. Both
the "ethical" [sic] and health arguments, which actually were not
arguments at all, have been completely demolished.
Meat is a perfectly ethical thing to eat, and it is healthful and
nutritious to eat it. This is settled beyond dispute.
Please go to the Compassion in World Farming website and
Please fuck off. Eating meat is ethical. This is settled; there is
no dispute.
So you've uttered the claim a second time, and said it's beyond
rational dispute, and of course you must realize that everyone can see
you are completely incapable of offering any kind of argument for the
point. So yeah, you must realize it makes you look like a bit of an
idiot. So, you know, what does it do for you? Do you need to find
another hobby?

How was work today? Your wife and son are doing all right?
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Maybe if his brain were not suffering from malnutrition
caused by his cult's dietary taboos he might be a bit more
reasonable.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
You can't win that argument, Jesper. This has been proved. Both
the "ethical" [sic] and health arguments, which actually were not
arguments at all, have been completely demolished.
Meat is a perfectly ethical thing to eat, and it is healthful and
nutritious to eat it. This is settled beyond dispute.
Please go to the Compassion in World Farming website and
Please fuck off. Eating meat is ethical. This is settled; there is
no dispute.
So you've uttered the claim a second time, and said it's beyond
rational dispute, and of course you must realize that everyone can see
you are completely incapable of offering any kind of argument for the
point.
I have done many times, and it is compelling.
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So you've uttered the claim a second time, and said it's beyond
rational dispute, and of course you must realize that everyone can see
you are completely incapable of offering any kind of argument for the
point. So yeah, you must realize it makes you look like a bit of an
idiot. So, you know, what does it do for you? Do you need to find
another hobby?
Clearly his brain has been damaged by the corpses he eats.
Post by Rupert
How was work today? Your wife and son are doing all right?
I doubt it. He feeds his kids corpse. How would you feel being fed a
corpse? Seriously, it should be illegal for people like that to
reproduce. Is any wonder the world is going to hell these days?

Compassion for animals is intimately connected with goodness of
character, and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to
animals cannot be a good man” – Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher

Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all
evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still
savages. – Thomas A. Edison, inventor and scientist


If anyone wants to save the planet, all they have to do is just stop
eating meat. That's the single most important thing you can do. It's
staggering when you think about it. Vegetarianism takes care of so
many things in one shot: ecology, famine, cruelty.
~ Paul McCartney


You're not an environmentalist if you eat meat. - James Cameron,
Hollywod Director



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You can't. No one is interested in what you have to say.
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Maybe if his brain were not suffering from malnutrition caused by his
cult's dietary taboos he might be a bit more reasonable.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
You can't. No one is interested in what you have to say.
He's admitted he does it to "punish" us by annoying us because he
hates us.
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Maybe if his brain were not suffering from malnutrition caused by his
cult's dietary taboos he might be a bit more reasonable.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
You can't. No one is interested in what you have to say.
He's admitted he does it to "punish" us by annoying us because he
hates us.
His idea of “punishing” does not make much sense. As for “annoying,”
I really have never had a thought about him other then very occasionally I
bump into one of his posts, he is forgotten within seconds.

His notions of punishment have no connection to reality. I think I will go
out and punish him by having a couple of tacos for lunch. Nah, I think I will
have a couple of tacos just because they taste great, I won’t give
pony-tail even a thought.

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On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 07:35:06 -0400, raven1
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Post by Jahnu
Post by Mike_Duffy
Maybe if his brain were not suffering from malnutrition caused by his
cult's dietary taboos he might be a bit more reasonable.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
You can't. No one is interested in what you have to say.
He's admitted he does it to "punish" us by annoying us because he
hates us.
He hates us because he knows we are his intellectual and moral betters.
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2017-08-05 03:40:07 UTC
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He hates us because he knows we are his intellectual and moral betters.
Seriously? You really need to get out more. Next to you in
intellectual capacity, I'm like Einstein next to a third grader.

And morally better? You? hahaha :) That's actually funny comming from
an unthinking Mickey Mouse clone whose vile eating-habits is the cause
of untold suffering for so many other living entities.

“Meat can never be obtained without injury to living creatures, and
injury to sentient beings is detrimental to the attainment of heavenly
bliss; let him therefore shun the use of meat. Having well considered
the disgusting origin of flesh and the cruelty of fettering and
slaying corporeal beings, let him entirely abstain from eating flesh.”

(Manu-samhita 5.48-49)
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https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

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2017-08-05 15:26:11 UTC
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He hates us because he knows we are his intellectual and moral betters.
Seriously? You really need to get out more. Next to you in
intellectual capacity, I'm like Einstein next to a third grader.
You are completely delusional if you seriously believe that, Jesper.
Your education is almost laughably poor (you'd place somewhere on a
Junior High School level in the US, if that) on subjects where you
haven't been actively miseducated by your cult, and your reasoning
ability is nonexistent. You keep committing the same basic logical
fallacies, and you refuse to either acknowledge or correct your errors
no matter how often they are pointed out to you.

The problem, of course, is that you're too stupid and ignorant to
recognize how stupid and ignorant you are, and so you greatly
overestimate your intelligence and competence. This is known as the
Dunning-Kruger effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
"In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive
bias wherein persons of low ability suffer from illusory superiority,
mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is.
The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the
metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own
ineptitude. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability
people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or
incompetence."
Rudy Canoza
2017-08-05 18:16:04 UTC
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He hates us because he knows we are his intellectual and moral betters.
Seriously? You really need to get out more. Next to you in
intellectual capacity, I'm like Einstein next to a third grader.
You are completely delusional if you seriously believe that, Jesper.
Your education is almost laughably poor (you'd place somewhere on a
Junior High School level in the US, if that) on subjects where you
haven't been actively miseducated by your cult,
Is Jesper a Hare Krishna cult adherent? That seems like the best guess.
Post by raven1
and your reasoning
ability is nonexistent. You keep committing the same basic logical
fallacies, and you refuse to either acknowledge or correct your errors
no matter how often they are pointed out to you.
Exactly.
Post by raven1
The problem, of course, is that you're too stupid and ignorant to
recognize how stupid and ignorant you are, and so you greatly
overestimate your intelligence and competence. This is known as the
Dunning-Kruger effect.
aka militantly aggressive stupidity.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
"In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive
bias wherein persons of low ability suffer from illusory superiority,
mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is.
The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the
metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own
ineptitude. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability
people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or
incompetence."
Spot-on.
Jahnu
2017-08-06 12:54:26 UTC
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Is Jesper a Hare Krishna cult adherent? That seems like the best guess.
No shit, Einstein? :D

When you speak to people in general about God and religion, one
question that keeps coming up is - all religions are the same
nonsense, how do you know the God of your religion is better than any
other religion's God?

But it's a simple question to answer. First you read the Bible. Then
you read the Koran, and then you read Bhagavad Gita. These 3 books are
like the revealed scriptures of the world-religions, so they should
give you a pretty good answer.

When you have finished reading, you ponder the situation and ask
yourself - which of these books touch me the most profoundly, which of
them is closest to what you'd expect to hear from a God?

Can there be any doubt as to the answer?

"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Bhagavad Gita is the only book on the planet in which someone claiming
to be God, describes in detail about Himself, the soul and the world
and how they inter-relate. The philosophy and religion of Krishna’s
teachings is the pinnacle of philosophy and religion. The philosophy
delivered by Krishna in Bhagavad Gita is without a doubt the most
complete, consistent, sophisticated and well thought out explanation
of reality available anywhere in the world at all time.

"The reader is nowhere raised into and sustained in a bigger, purer or
rarer region of thought than in the Bhagavad Gita" - Henry David
Thoreau

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)

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http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

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2017-08-06 15:57:08 UTC
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Is Jesper a Hare Krishna cult adherent? That seems like the best guess.
No shit, Einstein? :D
When you speak to people in general about God and religion, one
question that keeps coming up is "why should anyone believe this
steaming pile of nonsense that you're spouting?".
Fixed it for you as always, dumbass.
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2017-08-08 02:29:26 UTC
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http://ageac.org/en/multimedia/scientist-says-he-found-definitive-proof-that-god-exists-2/
Have a look at my art -

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

https://photos.google.com/u/1/?hl=en
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http://ageac.org/
No.

None of that bullshit establishes that

a. you are intellectually superior (you aren't - "interior design",
'nuff said)

b. eating vegetables is morally superior to being an omnivore - it isn't

You're a loser, Jesper, in addition to being an HIV+ queer (I guess that
means being a loser, too.)
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http://ageac.org/en/multimedia/scientist-says-he-found-definitive-proof-that-god-exists-2/
The link directs to a page full of seemingly random Unicode
characters. Not very convincing, to say the least.
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designer faggot - but that's redundant - posing as the fake Hindoo "Jahnu"
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Post by Rudy Canoza
Is Jesper a Hare Krishna cult adherent? That seems like the best guess.
No shit, Einstein?
So you're a stupid unthinking cultist and a phony Hindoo, just as raven1
and Christopher and Mike said. That's certainly not surprising.

Yep: inferior intellect all the way around.
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2017-08-07 11:32:40 UTC
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Is Jesper a Hare Krishna cult adherent? That seems like the best guess.
No shit, Einstein? :D
When you speak to people in general about God and religion,
Once again, you forgot the most important first step. First, you must provide evidence that any of the gods of the world even exist. Until you do, you're just talking fantasy.


Do you have any evidence?
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On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 07:35:06 -0400, raven1
On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 11:17:21 +0530, esper Werneburg, Danish interior
designer faggot - but that's redundant - posing as the fake Hindoo
Post by Jahnu
Post by Mike_Duffy
Maybe if his brain were not suffering from malnutrition caused by his
cult's dietary taboos he might be a bit more reasonable.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
You can't. No one is interested in what you have to say.
He's admitted he does it to "punish" us by annoying us because he
hates us.
He hates us because he knows we are his intellectual and moral betters.
Seriously? You really need to get out more. Next to you in
intellectual capacity, I'm like Einstein next to a third grader.
You are completely delusional if you seriously believe that, Jesper.
Your education is almost laughably poor (you'd place somewhere on a
Junior High School level in the US, if that) on subjects where you
haven't been actively miseducated by your cult, and your reasoning
ability is nonexistent. You keep committing the same basic logical
fallacies, and you refuse to either acknowledge or correct your errors
no matter how often they are pointed out to you.
The problem, of course, is that you're too stupid and ignorant to
recognize how stupid and ignorant you are, and so you greatly
overestimate your intelligence and competence. This is known as the
Dunning-Kruger effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
"In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive
bias wherein persons of low ability suffer from illusory superiority,
mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is.
The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the
metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own
ineptitude. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability
people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or
incompetence."
Also...might I point out that interior design <chortle> is not exactly
an intellectually rigorous field of study? Not to be too cavalier, but
I think even sociology is more rigorous...and it ain't very rigorous at all.
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Have a look at my art -

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

https://photos.google.com/u/1/?hl=en
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Oh, look! Brave Sir Jesper bravely ran away again! What a surprise!
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On 8/6/2017 5:45 AM, Jesper Werneburg, Danish interior designer faggot -
Post by Jahnu
Post by raven1
Post by Jahnu
Post by Rudy Canoza
He hates us because he knows we are his intellectual and moral betters.
Seriously? You really need to get out more. Next to you in
intellectual capacity, I'm like Einstein next to a third grader.
You are completely delusional if you seriously believe that, Jesper.
Your education is almost laughably poor (you'd place somewhere on a
Junior High School level in the US, if that) on subjects where you
haven't been actively miseducated by your cult, and your reasoning
ability is nonexistent. You keep committing the same basic logical
fallacies, and you refuse to either acknowledge or correct your errors
no matter how often they are pointed out to you.
The problem, of course, is that you're too stupid and ignorant to
recognize how stupid and ignorant you are, and so you greatly
overestimate your intelligence and competence. This is known as the
Dunning-Kruger effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
"In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive
bias wherein persons of low ability suffer from illusory superiority,
mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is.
The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the
metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own
ineptitude. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability
people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or
incompetence."
http://youtu.be/t0D3Ryn2F5A
No evidence of your competence or intellect there, Jesper.
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Post by Jahnu
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Have a look at my art -
Interior design <chortle>. You didn't really expect to be taken
seriously bragging about your great intellect, did you?
Jahnu
2017-08-08 02:34:59 UTC
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Interior design <chortle>. You didn't really expect to be taken
seriously bragging about your great intellect, did you?
Seriously, I'd rather not be taken seriously by an intellectually
unevolved fool like you, who in denial of all emperical research
still thinks humans need to eat meat :D

Vegetarian - It’s Healthier

Vegetarians are healthier than people who eat meat. It’s a fact.
Scientific studies show that vegetarians suffer much less from
illnesses like cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure and other
common health problems. A major study reported in the British Medical
Journal in 1994 found that, of 5000 meat-eaters and 6000 non-meat
eaters, vegetarians had 40% less risk of cancer and 30% less risk of
heart disease than the meat-eaters and were 20% less likely to die of
any cause (Oxford Vegetarian Study).

A US study of 50,000 vegetarians showed a very low rate of cancer
(Seventh Day Adventist Study, Massachussets). It has been estimated
that by following a low-fat vegetarian diet, the risk of food
poisoning is decreased by 80%. More evidence
of the benefits of a vegetarian diet is being found each year.

From TIME magazine (July 2002) - A balanced vegetarian diet is better
for humans than one that includes meat:
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020715/index.html

Vegetarian - It’s Humane

Billions of animals are killed in slaughterhouses around the world. In
the US, some half a million are killed each hour, while in the UK over
600 million are killed each year. A proportional number are killed in
Australia. It is nothing more than an undercover massacre. Animals
suffer enormously in the process. Quite apart from the terror of being
killed, they undergo pain and
fear through routine stock mutilations and during transportation to
saleyards and abattoirs.

Most animals eaten in New Zealand, Australia, UK, USA and similar
countries today are intensively raised in dark, sunless sheds where
they are fed a diet of processed foods. In most cases antibiotics,
growth-promotants and hormones are routinely administered. As
biological entities,these animals are treated as little more than meat
machines. We would be horrified if our pet cat or dog was treated in
this way, so why should we subject other animals to such cruelty? The
fact that the killing is done by someone else makes it easy to eat
meat but, by eating it, we are really condemning the next animal in
line.
Have you ever really stopped to think about the cruelty we
systematically inflict on other species simply by eating them?

www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-cruelty-page.htm
www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-equal-respect-page.htm

Vegetarian - It’s Economical

Meat is expensive, both economically and agriculturally. With so many
starving people in the world today it is a criminal waste of food to
produce it. Meat-animals are fed perfectly good plant food which could
have been fed directly to starving people. For instance, it takes 17
kilos -of corn, beans, grain, etc, to produce one kilo of beef in
feedlot cattle. This is like investing
$17.00 in a bank term deposit and withdrawing $1.00 at maturity! It
requires massive reserves of land to grow the crops which are used as
animal feed. About 70% of crops grown in the US are fed to animals and
not to humans. Meanwhile, a child dies of starvation somewhere in the
world every two seconds. As the world human population grows, so too
does the need for the dwindling reserves of arable land on which to
grow crops to feed it.

see more fact about the cost of meat in different ways HERE:
www.hknet.org.nz/Cost-of-meat-page.htm

Vegetarian - It’s Environmentally Friendly In Central America, entire
forests are felled or burnt to provide land for grazing cattle. Most
of these cattle end up as second-quality hamburger meat for the North
American junk food market. Being hard-hooved, cattle erode the
vulnerable topsoil, while each animal produces over 300 litres of
methane (a “greenhouse” gas) per day.
Also, the trees which are felled to clear land for cattle ranching are
left to rot. The termites which then feed on them produce even more
methane than the cattle.

Weight for weight, cattle alone outweigh the entire human population
of our planet. A recent Greenpeace report told how the dairy industry
of California uses enough water to supply a city of 22 million people.
The effluent produced from intensive piggeries, cattle feedlots and
broiler units is polluting our river systems. A NSW government
newsletter pointed out that the late
Homebush abattoirs was the single greatest industrial polluter of
Sydney’s coastal waters.

www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-environment-page.htm

Vegetarian - Exploding Some Myths

Understandably, people are a bit apprehensive about changing their
diet. Everyone seems to know “someone” who looks as pale as a bleached
potato since giving up meat! The truth is that a well-balanced
vegetarian diet provides all the protein and nutrients needed for a
vigorous and healthy life (American Dietary Association Study). What
is seldom pointed out are the
millions of conventional eaters who suffer from constipation,
malnutrition, gout and a host of other problems and diseases brought
on by a lack of fresh fruit and vegetables in their diet, combined
with the adverse effects of meat.

A study carried out the by University of Surrey in Britain found that
vegetarians were better nourished than meat eaters, and much closer to
the “ideal” diet recommended by the government’s own health advisers.

More information on our Vegetarianism and Beyond site
www.hknet.org.nz/Vege-AdirajIntroVeg.html
Hard Facts www.hknet.org.nz/Cost-of-meat-page.htm
Links to hundreds of Vegetarianism related sites
www.hknet.org.nz/vege-links1.html

Vegetarian - Aren't We Designed To Eat Meat? Not at all. Many people
say that we are meat-eaters because we have sharp teeth. This is like
judging a book by its cover. Look inside and you will find out what is
really going on.

Our digestive system resembles that of the herbivores and the
frugivores (fruit-eaters). It consists of a very long intestine
allowing slow digestion of nutrients. By contrast, carnivores have a
short digestive tract designed so that meat can quickly pass through
the body before it putrefies and becomes toxic. To compensate for this
rapid transition, carnivores have a stomach acid concentration 10
times greater than that of vegetarian mammals (including humans) to
enable them to quickly digest the meat. When humans eat meat it begins
to putrefy before leaving the body, often resulting in disorders as
diverse as
constipation and bowel cancer if eaten persistently over a period of
time. Sure, the more fibre eaten with meat, the quicker it passes
through the intestines, but why eat meat at all? Only vegetable matter
contains fibre and a good vegetarian diet provides all the fibre the
body needs without having to add extra”artificially”.

If you are serious about lowering your cholesterol intake, a
vegetarian diet is the best way to go since only animal products
contain cholesterol.

Health Fact Sheet www.hknet.org.nz/VegeGo.html
Speaking out - www.hknet.org.nz/veg-stubborn-page.htm

Vegetarianism and the Bible -

You mean it says that in the Bible
www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-UmeanItsinBible.html
Religion and Vegetarianism -
www.hknet.org.nz/WesternIndologists-page.htm
Random Christian Quotes supporting Vegetarianism
- www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-christians-page.htm

Vegetarian - What do I eat then?

Most people imagine vegetarian eating to be meat and two “veg” minus
the meat. To a conventional meat-eater this sounds like someone being
sold a car with the engine missing! Nothing could be further from the
truth. Vegetarian eating is about eating a wide variety offoods
prepared in an abundance of different ways.

Being a good vegetarian means being adventurous and open-minded about
food. It is not simply about eating a predictable menu day-in,
day-out. Many vegetarian staples had their origin in different
countries hundreds of years ago . pasta from China (and later Italy),
tofu from China, and tempeh from Indonesia. Tofu is bean curd made
from soya beans. Tempeh is a sort of
nut-flavoured cheese made from fermented soy beans. It is rich in
enzymes and easily digested.

Both can be bought at health food stores and larger supermarkets.
These are not merely substitutes for meat, but nutritious food in
themselves which have proved to be an excellent source of protein for
centuries.

Stupid things that vegetarians hear all the time
from meat-eaters: www.hknet.org.nz/veg-friends.html#Stupid

Vegetarian - Where Do I Get My Protein?

Protein is naturally very plentiful. It occurs in every living thing,
plant and animal. Apart from fruit and vegetables, good sources of
protein include pasta, lentils, rice, potatoes, soy beans, chick peas,
nuts, seeds and grains, with or without moderate use of eggs and dairy
products.

The amount you need depends on different personal attributes (weight,
height, etc) and the daily requirement varies considerably from 20 to
90 grams per day. By eating a variety of foods each day you should
easily meet your individual requirements. In fact, the nutritional
attitude to protein has changed dramatically in recent years. The
old-fashioned notion that “you can never get too much protein” has now
been proved wrong. Excess protein not used by the body has to be
broken down and excreted as waste. In fact, a major culprit in many
human degenerative diseases is a protein overdose. For example,
calcium loss in osteoporosis has been linked largely to an excess of
high-protein foods.

This site lists everything that anyone would need to have a balanced
healthy life-style as a vegetarian; vitamins and minerals sources, the
food triangle, check it out: www.hknet.org.nz/Vege-VitaminSources.html
Vegetarian - What about Minerals like Iron and Calcium?

A sound vegetarian diet should provide all needed nutrients. The
presence of vitamin C with iron in the diet will help iron absorption
by up to 30%.

It is a myth that you have to eat meat to get sufficient iron. It is
readily available in breakfast cereals, whole grain products, soy
products, legumes and leafy green vegetables. Tiredness is not
necessarily caused by iron deficiency. It may also be caused by lack
of sleep, depression, stress and poor eating habits (usually junk
food).

Calcium is found in all unprocessed vegetable foods in amounts that
are sufficient to meet the needs of both adults and growing children.
Whatever the calcium intake, the intestine absorbs sufficient calcium
to meet the body’s needs. Good sources of calcium are sesame seeds,
tofu, almonds, soy beans, parsley, green vegetables and fortified soy
milk. A recent dietary study on 6,500 Chinese found that even those
who ate no animal products actually consumed twice the amount of iron
as the average North American. In spite of the fact that dairy
products were not eaten, osteoporosis was almost unknown.

It's all here www.hknet.org.nz/Vege-VitaminSources.html

Vegetarian - The change - How Do I Start?

The best place to start going vegetarian is in the kitchen! Buy a
cookbook and start preparing. You will soon get used to the types of
food that are used and how they are prepared. Also, your taste for
vegetarian food will adapt. If you are doubtful about your abilities
as a cook you can enrol in cooking classes. Information about these is
often available in health food shops and some courses are run at TAFE
colleges(in Australia).

See HERE www.hknet.org.nz/vege-links1.htm for some we know of.....
otherwise the Vegetarian
Society(ies) www.hknet.org.nz/vege-links2.htm often has a list of
recommended classes.

Giving up meat might seem strange at first, but so does giving up
tobacco to the cigarette addict! If you feel that you can’t drop meat
straight away, try cutting it down bit by bit.

Just increase your use of foods like beans, grains, nuts, seeds, tofu,
tempeh, gluten and some of the many low cholesterol convenience foods
(like burgers and sausages) now available at health food stores and
supermarkets.

Some Recommended On-line and Hard-copy Cook books Higher Taste
Cookbook - available from Hare Krishna temples and centres view it
on-line http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/books/VEG/ht/ or at
http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/books/VEG/

Great Vegetarian Dishes by Kurma dasa - BBT
http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/catalog/vd.html
Cooking With Kurma - http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/catalog/cwk.html
The Hare Krishna Book of vegetarian cooking
http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/catalog/hkvc.html
http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/books/VEG/hkvc1.html
Vegetarian and lowfat food recipes (WinHelp)
(FREE Download) http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?500000010774

Others available at the bookstore:

Eat More, Weigh Less by Dean Ornish
Food for Life by Neal Barnard
Squirrel’s Cookbook No.1 & No.2
PassionATE - Pure Vegetarian Cuisine
Christine Lehmann
The Cookbook for People Who Love Animals
Gentle World
The Vegan Health Plan Amanda Sweet
The Moosewood Cookbook Mollie Katzen
The Vegan Kitchen Mate David Horton
Vegetarian Cookery Rose Elliot
Sarah Brown’s Vegetarian Cookbook Sarah Brown
The Very Best of Vegetarian Cooking Janet Hunt
Gourmet Vegetarian Cooking Rose Elliot
First Steps in Vegetarian Cooking Kathy SilkFor children and babies
The Vegetarian Baby Sharon Yntema
Vegetarian Children Sharon Yntema
Rose Elliot’s Vegetarian Mother and Baby Book

Vegetarian - Do You Want to Know More?

The following books are highly recommended for their revealing
analysis of all aspects of vegetarianism and how it relates to health,
the environment and animal rights.

Living Without Cruelty Mark Gold (Green Print)
Food for a Future Jon Wynne-Tyson (Centaur Press)
The Silent Ark Juliet Gellatley
Diet For a New America
John Robbins (Stillpoint Publishing)
Why You Don’t Need Meat Peter Cox (Bloomsbury)
Animal Factories
Jim Mason and Peter Singer (Crown Publishers)
Your Heart, Your Planet
Harvey Diamond (Pythagorean Press)

Vegetarian - Why Do So Many People Eat Meat?

Meat-eating in the quantity our society eats today really began with
the industrial revolution. Better machines led to more efficient
agriculture. When a surplus of crops was produced, this was fed to
animals and the animals eaten by those who could afford meat. Thus
meat became something of a status symbol. Unfortunately the status
symbol developed into a habit so that most of us in the wealthier
countries think that it is a normal part of our diet. As we approach a
new century, it is high time we turned back to the healthier, less
wasteful diet of our forebears.

Today the meat and dairy industries promote the myth of their products
being necessary through heavy advertising (you only have to count the
times they appear on television to see that!). Close behind them are
the pharmaceutical companies which provide the hormones, antibiotics
and growth promotants to the animal producers.

Altogether there are many vested interests in keeping us eating animal
products! Unfortunately the only interests that are lost in this
expensive advertising jungle are yours.

Individual health . and a healthy environment . begins with good
eating habits, and a vegetarian lifestyle is the simplest and most
effective way to achieve them.

Living in Harmony with Vegetarians www.hknet.org.nz/veg-friends.html
Taking a graphic look at Animal slaughter and meat eating:
www.hknet.org.nz/DeadAnimalFleshnFood.html

Download books, musik and video VCd that reveal the truth about the
big business behind keeping you addicted to eating meat with no
consideration for man nor beast: www.hknet.org.nz/V-meetURmeat.html

Vegetarian - 101 Reasons Why I'm a Vegetarian:
http://www.vivavegie.org/vv101/index.html

Vegetarian - Making the Change

To make any change is not easy, particularly when it involves
explanations to friends and family. However, making a change that you
know will take an enormous burden off the environmental stresses of
the planet, that will improve your health and ultimately save millions
of animals from cruelty makes it easy.

Already in the US and Britain there is a massive change towards a
meat-free diet. Some half a million people are adopting a vegetarian
lifestyle each year in the US while the number of British vegetarians
is now 4 million. The trend is catching in Australia and New Zealand
where many, mainly young people, are realising that they want a
healthy and humane future.

Whether you go vegetarian overnight or over a period of time does not
matter. The important thing is to get on the track. Even cutting down
on meat consumption will make an enormous difference.

TIME magazine ran an 8 page article asking "Should we all be
Vegetarians?" their conclusion was that a healthy balanced vegetarian
diet is better than one that includes meat
www.hknet.org.nz/veg-articles.html

Health and a Meatless Diet
www.hknet.org.nz/veg-health-meatless-diet-page.htm

A Beginners Guide to Vegetarianism:
http://people.qualcomm.com/sriharid/info/vegetarianism/veg.html

How Mary and Frank and Friends Eat - very nice Vegetarian pages:
http://www.all-creatures.org/recipes.html

The new millenium is the time to make the change. Let’s make it a goal
for the whole planet. Remember . You’re in good company!

Vegetarian - Famous Vegetarians

Pythagoras, Plutarch, Leonardo Da Vinci,
Tolstoy, Shelley, George Bernard Shaw, Gandhi,
Thoreau, Bob Dylan, Joanna Lumley, George
Harrison, Paul and Linda McCartney, Michael
Jackson, Madona, Martina Navratilova, Hayley
Mills, William Shatner, Sir Mark Oliphant, Cliff
Young, Peter Singer, Bob Barker, Spike Milligan,
Nigel Hawthorne, Annie Besant, Anthony Robbins,
Peter Sumner, Chrissie Hynde, Tim
McCartney-Snape, Peter Brock, Lynda Stoner,
Johnny Weissmuller (the first Tarzan), Julie
Christie, Morissey (The Smiths), Marty Feldman,
Murray Rose, Paavo Nurmi (9 Olympic medals),
Andreas Cahling (body building champion), Dave
Scott (6-time Ironman Triathlon winner),
k.d.lang, Belinda Carlisle, Edwin Moses, Sean
Hughes, Bryan Adams, Dennis Weaver, Woody
Harrelson, Killer Kowalski (champion wrestler),
Alicia Silverstone, Annalise Braakensiek, Vanessa
Amorosi, Greg Chappell, Jerry Seinfeld, Uri
Geller, Kim Basinger, Alec Baldwin, James
Cromwell, Radha Mitchell, Daniel Johns
(silverchair), Susie Porter, Joaquin Phoenix,
Josef Brown, Daniel Jones (Savage Garden).

To see hundreds more visit our page
http://www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-famouspeople-page.htm

For all this and more see our page at Vegetarianism and Beyond
http://www.hknet.org.nz/Veges-Beyond5page.htm or at
http://turn.to/Vegetarianism

For still more information mailto:***@xtra.co.nz

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Interior design <chortle>. You didn't really expect to be taken
seriously bragging about your great intellect, did you?
Seriously,
Yes.

You are an intellectual midget. There is no rational dispute about
this. "Interior design" <chuckle> You stupid 89-IQ queer.
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A major study reported in the British Medical
Journal in 1994 found that, of 5000 meat-eaters and 6000 non-meat
eaters, vegetarians had 40% less risk of cancer and 30% less risk of
heart disease than the meat-eaters and were 20% less likely to die of
any cause (Oxford Vegetarian Study).
There's one major problem with that study, it's so completely
unscientific to be worthless. In order to conclude that the absence of
meat in the diet is the reason for the better health outcomes you'd have
to put a shitload of controls of place. You realize that the vegetarians
in that study were also all non-smokers, non-drinkers, and ate little or
no junk food. Compare the 7th Day Adventists with a group with healthy
lifestyles and diets that include moderate amounts of meat and you might
have something.
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A major study reported in the British Medical
Journal in 1994 found that, of 5000 meat-eaters and 6000 non-meat
eaters, vegetarians had 40% less risk of cancer and 30% less risk of
heart disease than the meat-eaters and were 20% less likely to die
of any cause (Oxford Vegetarian Study).
There's one major problem with that study, it's so completely
unscientific to be worthless. In order to conclude that the absence
of meat in the diet is the reason for the better health outcomes
you'd have to put a shitload of controls of place. You realize that
the vegetarians in that study were also all non-smokers,
non-drinkers, and ate little or no junk food. Compare the 7th Day
Adventists with a group with healthy lifestyles and diets that
include moderate amounts of meat and you might have something.
Like, if you're wanting to know what the health benefits are, the
American Dietetic Association has said something about that, you can
easily look it up, or you can ask your doctor. There's probably some
reduction in lifetime risk for heart disease and cancer, and yes, you
could get almost all of that benefit without giving up animal flesh
completely, it's a continuum. I mean, I could probably reduce my
lifetime risk for cancer by drinking less alcohol. So, for people who
worry about that kind of thing, they should ask their doctor. Like, if
the impact on your health is all you're worried about, I'd be assuming
that you've thought through that matter for yourself and I have no
reason to believe that whatever decision you've made is particularly
unwise given your taste preferences. Some health benefit to be had from
it, I would think, but that's obviously a trade-off if you really like
the taste of meat.
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A major study reported in the British Medical
Journal in 1994 found that, of 5000 meat-eaters and 6000 non-meat
eaters, vegetarians had 40% less risk of cancer and 30% less risk of
heart disease than the meat-eaters and were 20% less likely to die
of any cause (Oxford Vegetarian Study).
There's one major problem with that study, it's so completely
unscientific to be worthless. In order to conclude that the absence
of meat in the diet is the reason for the better health outcomes
you'd have to put a shitload of controls of place. You realize that
the vegetarians in that study were also all non-smokers,
non-drinkers, and ate little or no junk food. Compare the 7th Day
Adventists with a group with healthy lifestyles and diets that
include moderate amounts of meat and you might have something.
Like, if you're wanting to know what the health benefits are, the
American Dietetic Association has said something about that, you can
easily look it up, or you can ask your doctor. There's probably some
reduction in lifetime risk for heart disease and cancer, and yes, you
could get almost all of that benefit without giving up animal flesh
completely, it's a continuum. I mean, I could probably reduce my
lifetime risk for cancer by drinking less alcohol. So, for people who
worry about that kind of thing, they should ask their doctor. Like, if
the impact on your health is all you're worried about, I'd be assuming
that you've thought through that matter for yourself and I have no
reason to believe that whatever decision you've made is particularly
unwise given your taste preferences. Some health benefit to be had from
it, I would think, but that's obviously a trade-off if you really like
the taste of meat.
The Danish donut is still sending in anti-meat articles? He's pathetic.

I had chicken, mashed potatoes and gravy for dinner and pizza
with pepperoni for lunch.
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There's one major problem with that study, it's so completely
unscientific to be worthless. In order to conclude that the absence of
meat in the diet is the reason for the better health outcomes you'd have
to put a shitload of controls of place. You realize that the vegetarians
in that study were also all non-smokers, non-drinkers, and ate little or
no junk food. Compare the 7th Day Adventists with a group with healthy
lifestyles and diets that include moderate amounts of meat and you might
have something.
You're not an environmentalist if you eat meat. - James Cameron,
Hollywod Director

Compassion for animals is intimately connected with goodness of
character, and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to
animals cannot be a good man” – Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher

Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all
evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still
savages. – Thomas A. Edison, inventor and scientist


If anyone wants to save the planet, all they have to do is just stop
eating meat. That's the single most important thing you can do. It's
staggering when you think about it. Vegetarianism takes care of so
many things in one shot: ecology, famine, cruelty. ~ Paul McCartney

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There's one major problem with that study, it's so completely
unscientific to be worthless. In order to conclude that the absence of
meat in the diet is the reason for the better health outcomes you'd have
to put a shitload of controls of place. You realize that the vegetarians
in that study were also all non-smokers, non-drinkers, and ate little or
no junk food. Compare the 7th Day Adventists with a group with healthy
lifestyles and diets that include moderate amounts of meat and you might
have something.
You're not an environmentalist if you eat meat. - James Cameron,
Hollywod Director
Compassion for animals is intimately connected with goodness of
character, and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to
animals cannot be a good man” – Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher
Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all
evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still
savages. – Thomas A. Edison, inventor and scientist
If anyone wants to save the planet, all they have to do is just stop
eating meat. That's the single most important thing you can do. It's
staggering when you think about it. Vegetarianism takes care of so
many things in one shot: ecology, famine, cruelty. ~ Paul McCartney
Amazing. "Dutch" posted completely valid criticism regarding the study
you cited, and your response, of course, is to ignore it, and
regurgitate quotes from celebrities instead. You really are a pathetic
idiot.

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Interior design <chortle>. You didn't really expect to be taken
seriously bragging about your great intellect, did you?
Seriously, I'd rather not be taken seriously
Don't worry, Jesper, no one does.
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He hates us because he knows we are his intellectual and moral betters.
Seriously?
Yes.
Post by Jahnu
You really need to get out more.
I don't. Next to you, we are all Einstein, Planck, Hawking, Leibniz and
Aristotle combined into one, compared with a flea. You are stupid
beyond belief.

Morally, your "veganism" is completely bankrupt - empty.
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Maybe if his brain were not suffering from malnutrition caused by his
cult's dietary taboos he might be a bit more reasonable.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
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Bullshit.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
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Jesper must not be aware of the fact that we have grain storage facilities with millions of tons of grain that can't be sold because there isn't enough demand worldwide.
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Bullshit.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
You can't. This is established, Jesper, you cheap whore.
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Bullshit.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989
The Hunger Argument
Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.
Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million
Human beings in America: 243 million
Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion
Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20
Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80
Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95
Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99
How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165
Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16
The Environmental Argument
Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect
Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.
Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more
Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75
85
Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million
Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds
Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.
Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.
Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year
The Cancer Argument
Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times
For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times
The Natural Resources Argument
livestock portion.
Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.
Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25
Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500
Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound
Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars
Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13
Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260
Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million
Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5
Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8
Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33
The Cholesterol Argument
Number of U.S. medical schools: 125
Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30
Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours
Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack
How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds
Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.
Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.
Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal
Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.
The Antibiotic Argument
Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55
Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13
Percentage resistant in 1988: 91
Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban
Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support
The Pesticide Argument
1
4
Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23
Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55
Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher
What USDA tells us: meat is inspected
Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004
The Ethical Argument
Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000
Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker
Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker
Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent
Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive
The Survival Argument
Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian
Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex
Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.
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'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3
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I have some lovely corned beef that I plan to put on some nice whole wheat bread with yellow mustard and muenster cheese. Delish!
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Lie through your teeth about the bogus ethical benefits of
vegetarianism? But that wouldn't be a "win", Jesper.
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Lie through your teeth about the bogus ethical benefits of
vegetarianism? But that wouldn't be a "win", Jesper.
Yummy yummy, corpse in the tummy.

Rethinking the Meat-Guzzler

By MARK BITTMAN

Published: January 27, 2008


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/weekinreview/27bittman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


SEA change in the consumption of a resource that Americans take for
granted may be in store — something cheap, plentiful, widely enjoyed
and a part of daily life. And it isn’t oil.

It’s meat.

The two commodities share a great deal: Like oil, meat is subsidized
by the federal government. Like oil, meat is subject to accelerating
demand as nations become wealthier, and this, in turn, sends prices
higher. Finally — like oil — meat is something people are encouraged
to consume less of, as the toll exacted by industrial production
increases, and becomes
increasingly visible.

Global demand for meat has multiplied in recent years, encouraged by
growing affluence and nourished by the proliferation of huge, confined
animal feeding operations. These assembly-line meat factories consume
enormous amounts of energy, pollute water supplies, generate
significant greenhousegases and require ever-increasing amounts of
corn, soy and other grains, a
dependency that has led to the destruction of vast swaths of the
world’s tropical rain forests.

Just this week, the president of Brazil announced emergency measures
to halt the burning and cutting of the country’s rain forests for crop
and grazingland. In the last five months alone, the government says,
1,250 square miles were lost.

The world’s total meat supply was 71 million tons in 1961. In 2007, it
was estimated to be 284 million tons. Per capita consumption has more
than doubled over that period. (In the developing world, it rose twice
as fast, doubling in the last 20 years.) World meat consumption is
expected to double again by 2050, which one expert, Henning Steinfeld
of the United Nations, says is resulting in a “relentless growth in
livestock production.”

Americans eat about the same amount of meat as we have for some time,
about eight ounces a day, roughly twice the global average. At about 5
percent ofthe world’s population, we “process” (that is, grow and
kill) nearly 10 billion animals a year, more than 15 percent of the
world’s total.

Growing meat (it’s hard to use the word “raising” when applied to
animals in factory farms) uses so many resources that it’s a challenge
to enumerate them all. But consider: an estimated 30 percent of the
earth’s ice-free land is directly or indirectly involved in livestock
production, according to the United Nation’s Food and Agriculture
Organization, which also estimates that
livestock production generates nearly a fifth of the world’s
greenhouse gases — more than transportation.

To put the energy-using demand of meat production into
easy-to-understand terms, Gidon Eshel, a geophysicist at the Bard
Center, and Pamela A. Martin, an assistant professor of geophysics at
the University of Chicago, calculated that if Americans were to reduce
meat consumption by just 20 percent it would be as if we all switched
from a standard sedan — a Camry,
say — to the ultra-efficient Prius. Similarly, a study last year by
the National Institute of Livestock and Grassland Science in Japan
estimated that 2.2 pounds of beef is responsible for the equivalent
amount of carbon dioxide emitted by the average European car every 155
miles, and burnsenough energy to light a 100-watt bulb for nearly 20
days.

Grain, meat and even energy are roped together in a way that could
have dire results. More meat means a corresponding increase in demand
for feed, especially corn and soy, which some experts say will
contribute to higher prices.

This will be inconvenient for citizens of wealthier nations, but it
could have tragic consequences for those of poorer ones, especially if
higher prices for feed divert production away from food crops. The
demand for ethanol is already pushing up prices, and explains, in
part, the 40 percent rise last year in the food price index calculated
by the United Nations’ Food and Agricultural Organization.

Though some 800 million people on the planet now suffer from hunger or
malnutrition, the majority of corn and soy grown in the world feeds
cattle, pigs and chickens. This despite the inherent inefficiencies:
about two tofive times more grain is required to produce the same
amount of calories through livestock as through direct grain
consumption, according to Rosamond
Naylor, an associate professor of economics at Stanford University. It
is as much as 10 times more in the case of grain-fed beef in the
United States.

The environmental impact of growing so much grain for animal feed is
profound. Agriculture in the United States — much of which now serves
thedemand for meat — contributes to nearly three-quarters of all
water-quality problems in the nation’s rivers and streams, according
to the Environmental Protection Agency.

Because the stomachs of cattle are meant to digest grass, not grain,
cattle raised industrially thrive only in the sense that they gain
weight quickly. This diet made it possible to remove cattle from their
natural environment and encourage the efficiency of mass confinement
and slaughter. But itcauses enough health problems that administration
of antibiotics is routine, so much so that it can result in
antibiotic-resistant bacteria that threaten the usefulness of
medicines that treat people.

Those grain-fed animals, in turn, are contributing to health problems
among the world’s wealthier citizens — heart disease, some types of
cancer, diabetes. The argument that meat provides useful protein makes
sense, if the quantities are small. But the “you gotta eat meat” claim
collapses at American levels. Even if the amount of meat we eat
weren’t harmful, it’s way
more than enough.

Americans are downing close to 200 pounds of meat, poultry and fish
per capita per year (dairy and eggs are separate, and hardly
insignificant), an increase of 50 pounds per person from 50 years ago.
We each consume something like 110 grams of protein a day, about twice
the federal government’s recommended allowance; of that, about 75
grams come from animal
protein. (The recommended level is itself considered by many dietary
experts to be higher than it needs to be.) It’s likely that most of us
would do just fine on around 30 grams of protein a day, virtually all
of it from plant sources .

What can be done? There’s no simple answer. Better waste management,
for one. Eliminating subsidies would also help; the United Nations
estimates that they account for 31 percent of global farm income.
Improved farming practices would help, too. Mark W. Rosegrant,
director of environment and production technology at the nonprofit
International Food Policy Research
Institute, says, “There should be investment in livestock breeding and
management, to reduce the footprint needed to produce any given level
of meat.”

Then there’s technology. Israel and Korea are among the countries
experimenting with using animal waste to generate electricity. Some of
the biggest hog operations in the United States are working, with some
success, to turn manure into fuel.

Longer term, it no longer seems lunacy to believe in the possibility
of “meat without feet” — meat produced in vitro, by growing animal
cells in a super-rich nutrient environment before being further
manipulated into burgers and steaks.

Another suggestion is a return to grazing beef, a very real
alternative as long as you accept the psychologically difficult and
politically unpopular notion of eating less of it. That’s because
grazing could never produce as many cattle as feedlots do. Still, said
Michael Pollan, author of the recent book “In Defense of Food,” “In
places where you can’t grow grain, fattening cows on grass is always
going to make more sense.”

But pigs and chickens, which convert grain to meat far more
efficiently than beef, are increasingly the meats of choice for
producers, accounting for 70 percent of total meat production, with
industrialized systems producing half that pork and three-quarters of
the chicken.

Once, these animals were raised locally (even many New Yorkers
remember the pigs of Secaucus), reducing transportation costs and
allowing their manure to be spread on nearby fields. Now hog
production facilities that resemble prisons more than farms are
hundreds of miles from major population centers, and their manure
“lagoons” pollute streams and groundwater. (In Iowa alone, hog
factories and farms produce more than 50 million tons of excrement
annually.)

These problems originated here, but are no longer limited to the
United States. While the domestic demand for meat has leveled off, the
industrial production of livestock is growing more than twice as fast
as land-based methods, according to the United Nations.

Perhaps the best hope for change lies in consumers’ becoming aware of
the true costs of industrial meat production. “When you look at
environmental problems in the U.S.,” says Professor Eshel, “nearly all
of them have their source in food production and in particular meat
production. And factory farming is ‘optimal’ only as long as degrading
waterways is free. If dumping this stuff becomes costly — even if it
simply carries a non-zero price tag — the entire structure of food
production will change dramatically.”

Animal welfare may not yet be a major concern, but as the horrors of
raising meat in confinement become known, more animal lovers may start
to react. And would the world not be a better place were some of the
grain we use to grow meat directed instead to feed our fellow human
beings?

Real prices of beef, pork and poultry have held steady, perhaps even
decreased, for 40 years or more (in part because of grain subsidies),
though we’re beginning to see them increase now. But many experts,
including Tyler Cowen, a professor of economics at George Mason
University, say they don’t believe meat prices will rise high enough
to affect demand in the United
States.

“I just don’t think we can count on market prices to reduce our meat
consumption,” he said. “There may be a temporary spike in food prices,
but it will almost certainly be reversed and then some. But if all the
burden is put on eaters, that’s not a tragic state of affairs.”

If price spikes don’t change eating habits, perhaps the combination of
deforestation, pollution, climate change, starvation, heart disease
and animal cruelty will gradually encourage the simple daily act of
eating more plants and fewer animals.

Mr. Rosegrant of the food policy research institute says he foresees
“a stronger public relations campaign in the reduction of meat
consumption — one like that around cigarettes — emphasizing personal
health, compassion for animals, and doing good for the poor and the
planet.”

It wouldn’t surprise Professor Eshel if all of this had a real impact.
“The good of people’s bodies and the good of the planet are more or
less perfectly aligned,” he said.

The United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization, in its detailed
2006 study of the impact of meat consumption on the planet,
“Livestock’s Long Shadow,” made a similar point: “There are reasons
for optimism that the conflicting demands for animal products and
environmental services can be reconciled. Both demands are exerted by
the same group of people ... the
relatively affluent, middle- to high-income class, which is no longer
confined to industrialized countries. ... This group of consumers is
probably ready to use its growing voice to exert pressure for change
and may be willing to absorb the inevitable price increases.”

In fact, Americans are already buying more environmentally friendly
products, choosing more sustainably produced meat, eggs and dairy. The
number of farmers’ markets has more than doubled in the last 10 years
or so, and it has escaped no one’s notice that the organic food market
is growing fast. These all represent products that are more expensive
but of higher quality.

If those trends continue, meat may become a treat rather than a
routine. It won’t be uncommon, but just as surely as the S.U.V. will
yield to the hybrid, the half-pound-a-day meat era will end.

Maybe that’s not such a big deal. “Who said people had to eat meat
three times a day?” asked Mr. Pollan.


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On 7/26/2017 1:42 AM, Jesper Werneburg, Danish interior designer faggot
On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:10:47 -0700, Rudy Canoza, better in *every* way
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Bullshit.
HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
Lie through your teeth about the bogus ethical benefits of
vegetarianism? But that wouldn't be a "win", Jesper.
Yummy yummy, corpse in the tummy.
That's how so-called "ethical" vegetarians - and fake Hindoos - *LOSE*
the argument, Jesper, you fake Hindoo and HIV-oozing faggot. Calling
meat a "corpse" is an invalid appeal to emotion, faggot Jesper. It also
shows that you are concerned only with aesthetics, *not* with ethics.

Meat is nutritious, and it is ethical for humans to obtain and to eat
it. This is settled, Jesper. You lost the argument, as you have been
losing it since 2001 in alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian.
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Here's one sentence.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
Vegetarian food leaves a deep impression on our nature. If the whole
world adopts vegetarianism, it can change the destiny of humankind.
~ Albert Einstein
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I was once fortunate enough to witness food being given to the gods at a
Hare Krishna temple. Can you elaborate, or point me to a reference, about
the gods' consumption of the food? TIA. :)
Obviously, God doesn't need anything from you. You show your love for
God, when you feed Him. You also free the food from karma when you
offer it to God first. By eatintg prasadam, food offered to Krishna in
a sacrifice, will furthermore purify your mind from material
contamination.

To eat you have to kill, even a plant, and causing harm to other
living entities brings you suffering in return.

The karmic reactions to killing a plant is obviously lighter than
killing a sentient being like a pig or a cow.

Krishna says:

If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, a fruit or
water, I will accept it. —Bg 9.26

Whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer or give away,
and whatever austerities you perform – do that, O son of Kunti, as an
offering to Me. —Bg 9.27
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Post by Ted
I was once fortunate enough to witness food being given to the
gods at a Hare Krishna temple. Can you elaborate, or point me
to a reference, about the gods' consumption of the food? TIA. :)
Obviously, God doesn't need anything from you. You show your love
for God, when you feed Him. You also free the food from karma when
you offer it to God first. By eatintg prasadam, food offered to
Krishna in a sacrifice, will furthermore purify your mind from
material contamination.
To eat you have to kill, even a plant, and causing harm to other
living entities brings you suffering in return.
The karmic reactions to killing a plant is obviously lighter than
killing a sentient being like a pig or a cow.
Krishna says: If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf,
a flower, a fruit or water, I will accept it. -Bg 9.26
Whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer or give away,
and whatever austerities you perform - do that, O son of Kunti,
as an offering to Me. -Bg 9.27
Obviously God accept everything offered with love to Him.
So what you still have you can not have offered to God with love.
You may find God if you look for what you have lost with love.
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I was once fortunate enough to witness food being given to the gods at a
Hare Krishna temple. Can you elaborate, or point me to a reference, about
the gods' consumption of the food? TIA. :)
Obviously, God doesn't need anything from you. You show your love for
God, when you feed Him. You also free the food from karma when you
offer it to God first. By eatintg prasadam, food offered to Krishna in
a sacrifice, will furthermore purify your mind from material
contamination.
To eat you have to kill, even a plant, and causing harm to other
living entities brings you suffering in return.
The karmic reactions to killing a plant is obviously lighter than
killing a sentient being like a pig or a cow.
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I was once fortunate enough to witness food being given to the gods at a
Hare Krishna temple. Can you elaborate, or point me to a reference, about
the gods' consumption of the food? TIA. :)
Obviously, God doesn't need anything from you. You show your love for
God, when you feed Him. You also free the food from karma when you
offer it to God first. By eatintg prasadam, food offered to Krishna in
a sacrifice, will furthermore purify your mind from material
contamination.
To eat you have to kill, even a plant, and causing harm to other
living entities brings you suffering in return.
The karmic reactions to killing a plant is obviously lighter than
killing a sentient being like a pig or a cow.
If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, a fruit or
water, I will accept it. —Bg 9.26
Whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer or give away,
and whatever austerities you perform – do that, O son of Kunti, as an
offering to Me. —Bg 9.27
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Thank you, Jahnu. I hadn't realized that a human eats the food afterward.
But (and I'm honestly not being sarcastic because I want to know) what is
the theory about how the gods eat the food?
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Thank you, Jahnu. I hadn't realized that a human eats the food afterward.
But (and I'm honestly not being sarcastic because I want to know) what is
the theory about how the gods eat the food?
In theory God eats the food offered to Him in love. Fortunately, the
food is still there, so you can eat the remnants of the food God just
ate. That food has now become karma-free, it's called prasadam.

How God eats the food and it is still there on the plate, I'm not
sure. It is said that Krishna can perform any sensory function with
any of His senses. He can eat with His eyes, touch with His eyes, hear
with Hs eyes etc.

So I guess, He eats the food by looking at it.

Visit any Hare Krishna center and taste the prasadam there, it will
be a blessing on your tatste buds.

Krishna says:

If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, a fruit or
water, I will accept it. —Bg 9.26

Whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer or give away,
and whatever austerities you perform – do that, O son of Kunti, as an
offering to Me. —Bg 9.27


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I was once fortunate enough to witness food being given to the gods at a
Hare Krishna temple. Can you elaborate, or point me to a reference, about
the gods' consumption of the food? TIA. :)
Krishna says:

If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, a fruit or
water, I will accept it. —Bg 9.26

The keyword here is 'with love.' Obviously God doesn't need your food.
But when you cook and offer food to God with love, you purify the food
from the bad karma invloved in eating.

Even as a vegetarian you have to kill a living entity to eat. Of
course, to pluck a tomato you don't have to kill the plant. But there
is always killing involved in producing food.

Obviously, it's less violent to pull potatoes from the ground than to
cutt the throat of a cow or a pig or a chicken, so the karmic reaction
is much milder. But offering your food to Krishna, you get karma free
food.

Krishna says:

In the beginning of creation, the Lord of all creatures sent forth
generations of men and demigods, along with sacrifices for Vishnu, and
blessed them by saying, “Be thou happy by this yajña [sacrifice]
because its performance will bestow upon you everything desirable for
living happily and achieving liberation.” —Bg 3.10

The demigods, being pleased by sacrifices, will also please you, and
thus, by cooperation between men and demigods, prosperity will reign
for all. —Bg 3.11

In charge of the various necessities of life, the demigods, being
satisfied by the performance of yajña [sacrifice], will supply all
necessities to you. But he who enjoys such gifts without offering them
to the demigods in return is certainly a thief. —Bg 3.12

The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because
they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who
prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin.
— Bg 3.13

All living bodies subsist on food grains, which are produced from
rains. Rains are produced by performance of yajña [sacrifice], and
yajña is born of prescribed duties. — Bg 3.14

Regulated activities are prescribed in the Vedas, and the Vedas are
directly manifested from the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Consequently the all-pervading Transcendence is eternally situated in
acts of sacrifice. —Bg 3.15

My dear Arjuna, one who does not follow in human life the cycle of
sacrifice thus established by the Vedas certainly leads a life full of
sin. Living only for the satisfaction of the senses, such a person
lives in vain. —Bg 3.16

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I was once fortunate enough to witness food being given to the gods at a
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I was once fortunate enough to witness food being given to the gods at a
There's the old bumper sticker

"Broccoli screams when you eat it."

I grilled a spaghetti squash for dinner last night.
It was excellent. You shred it and serve it like pasta.
I put marinara sauce on it, but it could have been
oil and garlic. I put some tuna, anchovies and mushrooms
in the sauce. Very tasty. I still like pasta, but this
is a low-carb alternative, and I've always liked squash,
zucchini, etc. I'm going to grill an eggplant (aubergine), next.

There are plenty of tasty and inventive veggie meals.
Eat just those if you have ethical qualms about eating
meat, or for medical reasons, but don't base your diet
on old scripture. That's just woo-woo.

Kevin R
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All living bodies subsist on food grains, which are produced from
rains.
Look up "obligate carnivore." The Vedas got this wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore#Obligate_carnivores

People are omnivores.
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Rains are produced by performance of yajña [sacrifice],
No, rains are produced by weather systems, an entirely natural
process requiring no supernatural explanations. We can _predict_
them pretty actually, and even _cause_ them, in certain circumstances.
See" "cloud seeding."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

Reality trumps your old poetry.

Kevin R
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