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David Fritz
2017-11-11 21:08:05 UTC
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(CNN)The man who killed more than 20 people at a small Texas church
escaped from a mental health facility five years ago after sneaking guns
onto an Air Force base and making threats against commanders, according to
a police report.

Devin Patrick Kelley's June 2012 escape from Peak Behavioral Health
Systems in New Mexico occurred months after he was accused of abusing his
ex-wife and her child, according to an El Paso Police Department report
obtained by CNN affiliate KVIA on Tuesday.

Kelley was picked up after the Santa Teresa, New Mexico, facility listed
him as missing. The documents said officers had been warned that Kelley
was a danger to himself and others and that he had sneaked firearms onto
Holloman Air Force Base, where he had reportedly threatened his
commanders.

Kelley had been placed into pretrial confinement at a civilian facility
days before his escape, according to two Air Force officials.

As investigators try to piece together a picture of Kelley, more clues
have emerged in the deadliest shooting in modern Texas history.
Authorities placed the death toll at 26, including an unborn child. The
dead parishioners from the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs
ranged in age from 17 months to 77 years old.

Kelly had previously attended the Texas church but he was not welcomed
there, Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt told CNN on Tuesday.

Pastor Frank Pomeroy of First Baptist Church knew Kelley from his
attendance at church events, according to Tackitt. The pastor wanted him
out.

There were no threats but Pomeroy told authorities Kelley "was not a good
person to be around."

"He did not think that he was a good person and did not want him around
his church," Tackitt said of the pastor. "But he said, 'How do I run him
away from my church?'"

On Sunday, Kelley reappeared at the church. This time, he was armed with
an assault rifle, 15 loaded magazines and an obsession with a family
dispute.

Kelley, who had a record of violence, was consumed by a dispute with his
mother-in-law and spent time posting anti-God and pro-gun statements on
Facebook in the months before the shooting, according to officials, as
well as acquaintances and former classmates.

He sent threatening text messages to his mother-in-law and texted her as
recently as Sunday morning -- not long before he sprayed bullets at the
people in the church with an assault rifle, authorities said. He may have
thought she was at church on Sunday.

"There are many ways that he could have taken care of the mother-in-law
without coming with 15 loaded magazines and an assault rifle to a church,"
said Freeman Martin of the Texas Department of Public Safety.

Latest developments

The FBI has the shooter's cellphone, but has not yet accessed its content
due to encryption, a growing challenge for law enforcement, Christopher
Combs, FBI special agent in charge, said at a Tuesday news conference.

As of Tuesday, 10 of the wounded remained in critical condition, Martin
said.

In an October 29 Facebook post, Kelley posted a photo of a Ruger AR-556
rifle -- the same type used in the shooting -- on a white couch, former
classmates and members of the community told CNN. The caption read, "She's
a bad bitch." It's not clear if it was the same weapon he used on Sunday.

A crime victims compensation fund will provide $6,500 to families of the
victims for funeral expenses, officials said. A funeral company has
donated caskets.

The US Air Force acknowledged it did not relay information about Kelley's
court martial conviction for domestic assault to civilian law enforcement,
something that could have prevented him from purchasing the firearms used
in the shooting. The Air Force and Department of Defense are investigating
how records of his domestic violence conviction were handled.

Kelley, 26, had three gunshot wounds. He was shot in the leg and torso by
an armed citizen, and had a self-inflicted shot to the head, authorities
said. It wasn't clear which gunshot killed Kelley, but evidence at the
scene "indicates the subject may have died from a self-inflicted gunshot
wound," Martin said. He was found dead in his vehicle.

Learning more about the shooter

Officials had said there was a domestic situation involving Kelley, but
didn't go into any details.

"This was not racially motivated. It wasn't over religious beliefs. There
was a domestic situation going on with the family and in-laws," said
Christopher Combs, the special agent in charge of the FBI's San Antonio
division.

Kelley had also expressed anger toward his mother-in-law, Martin said.

His grandmother-in-law was killed during the attack, multiple friends of
the woman told CNN. Lula White was the grandmother of Kelley's current
wife and often volunteered at the church, according to friends and her
Facebook profile.

Public records, and those who knew Kelley, describe a troubling history.

Kelley was the subject of an investigation for sexual assault and rape in
2013 in Comal County but the investigation ended without any charges,
Sheriff Mark Reynolds said.

In 2014, law enforcement responded to a disturbance call at an address
where Kelley and his then-girlfriend lived. Police notes from the event
say it was considered a misunderstanding.

Christopher Leo Longoria went to high school with Kelley. He said his
former classmate would focus on women's reactions and that it would "creep
out the ladies." Longoria said he had recently unfriended Kelley on
Facebook because of personal attacks against his friends.

"He was also posting a lot of non-God beliefs, atheism, a lot of gun
violence and a lot of weapons that he was into," Longoria told CNN.

Longoria described Kelly's Facebook posts as "a ridiculous amount of
nonsense." Kelly's page has been taken down but people in the community
have confirmed its existence and content.

His social media suggested a fascination with mass shootings, a law
enforcement official said.

Kelley served at the Holloman Air Force Base beginning in 2010, but was
discharged in 2014. He was court-martialed in 2012 for assault on his
spouse and child. Kelley served a year in military prison and received a
bad conduct discharge, according to Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek.

Kelley was involved in "multiple occasions of domestic abuse" against his
ex-wife and stepson, said Don Christensen, who was the Air Force chief
prosecutor when Kelley was sentenced.

He said Kelley "violently" shook the child, causing fractures in his skull
and a subdural hematoma, a severe head injury in which there is bleeding
between the skull and the brain.

Kelley "admitted to, out of anger, pushing his son down and injuring him,"
Christensen said.

The gunman had been also arrested in August 2014 on an animal cruelty
charge in El Paso County, Colorado, after a witness said he had punched a
dog, grabbed it by the neck and dragged the animal. Kelley denied the
account and was issued a summons but didn't spend any time in jail.

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Rick Johnson
2017-11-11 21:34:54 UTC
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Post by David Fritz
(CNN)The man who killed more than 20 people at a small
Texas church escaped from a mental health facility five
years ago after sneaking guns onto an Air Force base and
making threats against commanders, according to a police
report.
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"There are many ways that he could have taken care of the
mother-in-law without coming with 15 loaded magazines and
an assault rifle to a church," said Freeman Martin of the
Texas Department of Public Safety.
Wow. That sure is an odd thing for a state official to say!

And, in other news: we still don't know what the hell
motivated that asshole in Vegas (forgotten about that one
already folks?), and now this mass shooting is deemed a
"domestic dispute".

Go figure.

Nothing to see here folks.

Move along now...
Cloud Hobbit
2017-11-11 22:11:27 UTC
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I heard that the Vegas shooter was most likely motivated by a massive amount of gambling debt according to the Sherrod or police chief. Not sure what the proper designation is for him.
TheRealMccoy
2017-11-11 22:15:48 UTC
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This is not the Vegas shooter thread.
Gambling? Vegas? Really?
Rick Johnson
2017-11-11 23:42:12 UTC
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I heard that the Vegas shooter was most likely motivated by
a massive amount of gambling debt according to the Sherrod
or police chief. Not sure what the proper designation is
for him.
That just doesn't make any sense.

Most wackos who find themselves in a financial pickle do a
swan dive off a skyscraper (aka: 1929 style) or put a bullet
in their head, or open a vein.

And if he owed the money to "underworld folks", suicide
would be the logical choice to save himself a lot of
retributive pain. But we have no evidence that his life was
in peril.

So something else motivated him...

Plus, don't forget that he cared enough about his girlfriend
to send her a wad of cash. So that act _alone_ proves that
he has "some capacity" for empathy and/or compassion. As he
was obviously concerned with the welfare of his GF and her
family after he departed this shitty world.

So what motivated him?

Was it anger? If so, then why did he pick innocents as
targets? Why not go after the casino? Or a specific dealer?
Or the financial system itself? Why random innocents? It
doesn't make any damned sense.

Was it despair? If so, then killing random people does not
follow in the normal pattern of despair. People who are
suffering deep depressions typically just kill themselves.

Plus, why is there no information about this guy? Nobody has
spoken about his past. Hmm... Where is his family? His
friends? His class mates? His gambling buddies, for fucks
sake? Huh?

What? Are we to believe this professional gambler lived in a
plastic bubble and no one ever talked to him or encountered
him?

Did he just fall out of the fucking sky a day before the
shooting? Well, it sure seems that way, because no one save
some random chick from the Philippines (which BTW is a
hotbed of terror activity[1], and she just "happened" to be
out of town when this spree occured!) knows jack squat about
this asshole.

IMO, the impetus was something _intellectual_, not
emotional. This was _not_ a crime of passion, it was cold
and calculated. And only ideology can cut through _any_
barrier and turn otherwise sane people in psychopathic
murderes. In the Vegas shooting, and absent any other
compelling evidence, religion and/or politics are my prime
suspects.

This whole thing reeks of lies, investigative boobery
and a major media coverup.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_Philippines
TheRealMccoy
2017-11-11 21:45:31 UTC
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At least he didn't argue about roast beef and potatoes at the family dinner table while growing up and try to win at those arguments like Robert golaszewski the rollock did
Ted
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At least he didn't argue about roast beef and potatoes at the family
dinner table while growing up and try to win at those arguments like
Robert golaszewski the rollock did
You need to stop believing that bullshit, Mike.
TheRealMccoy
2017-11-11 21:53:44 UTC
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Never heard of a joke?
Ted
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
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Never heard of a joke?
You're really joking??
TheRealMccoy
2017-11-11 22:10:11 UTC
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It certainly was a joke.
Did yo really need to ask me specifically?
Ted
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It certainly was a joke.
Did yo really need to ask me specifically?
Dunno.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-11-12 08:04:44 UTC
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This man was a monster.
Post by David Fritz
(CNN)The man who killed more than 20 people at a small Texas church
escaped from a mental health facility five years ago after sneaking guns
onto an Air Force base and making threats against commanders, according to
a police report.
Devin Patrick Kelley's June 2012 escape from Peak Behavioral Health
Systems in New Mexico occurred months after he was accused of abusing his
ex-wife and her child, according to an El Paso Police Department report
obtained by CNN affiliate KVIA on Tuesday.
Kelley was picked up after the Santa Teresa, New Mexico, facility listed
him as missing. The documents said officers had been warned that Kelley
was a danger to himself and others and that he had sneaked firearms onto
Holloman Air Force Base, where he had reportedly threatened his
commanders.
Kelley had been placed into pretrial confinement at a civilian facility
days before his escape, according to two Air Force officials.
As investigators try to piece together a picture of Kelley, more clues
have emerged in the deadliest shooting in modern Texas history.
Authorities placed the death toll at 26, including an unborn child. The
dead parishioners from the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs
ranged in age from 17 months to 77 years old.
Kelly had previously attended the Texas church but he was not welcomed
there, Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt told CNN on Tuesday.
Pastor Frank Pomeroy of First Baptist Church knew Kelley from his
attendance at church events, according to Tackitt. The pastor wanted him
out.
There were no threats but Pomeroy told authorities Kelley "was not a good
person to be around."
"He did not think that he was a good person and did not want him around
his church," Tackitt said of the pastor. "But he said, 'How do I run him
away from my church?'"
On Sunday, Kelley reappeared at the church. This time, he was armed with
an assault rifle, 15 loaded magazines and an obsession with a family
dispute.
Kelley, who had a record of violence, was consumed by a dispute with his
mother-in-law and spent time posting anti-God and pro-gun statements on
Facebook in the months before the shooting, according to officials, as
well as acquaintances and former classmates.
He sent threatening text messages to his mother-in-law and texted her as
recently as Sunday morning -- not long before he sprayed bullets at the
people in the church with an assault rifle, authorities said. He may have
thought she was at church on Sunday.
"There are many ways that he could have taken care of the mother-in-law
without coming with 15 loaded magazines and an assault rifle to a church,"
said Freeman Martin of the Texas Department of Public Safety.
Latest developments
The FBI has the shooter's cellphone, but has not yet accessed its content
due to encryption, a growing challenge for law enforcement, Christopher
Combs, FBI special agent in charge, said at a Tuesday news conference.
As of Tuesday, 10 of the wounded remained in critical condition, Martin
said.
In an October 29 Facebook post, Kelley posted a photo of a Ruger AR-556
rifle -- the same type used in the shooting -- on a white couch, former
classmates and members of the community told CNN. The caption read, "She's
a bad bitch." It's not clear if it was the same weapon he used on Sunday.
A crime victims compensation fund will provide $6,500 to families of the
victims for funeral expenses, officials said. A funeral company has
donated caskets.
The US Air Force acknowledged it did not relay information about Kelley's
court martial conviction for domestic assault to civilian law enforcement,
something that could have prevented him from purchasing the firearms used
in the shooting. The Air Force and Department of Defense are investigating
how records of his domestic violence conviction were handled.
Kelley, 26, had three gunshot wounds. He was shot in the leg and torso by
an armed citizen, and had a self-inflicted shot to the head, authorities
said. It wasn't clear which gunshot killed Kelley, but evidence at the
scene "indicates the subject may have died from a self-inflicted gunshot
wound," Martin said. He was found dead in his vehicle.
Learning more about the shooter
Officials had said there was a domestic situation involving Kelley, but
didn't go into any details.
"This was not racially motivated. It wasn't over religious beliefs. There
was a domestic situation going on with the family and in-laws," said
Christopher Combs, the special agent in charge of the FBI's San Antonio
division.
Kelley had also expressed anger toward his mother-in-law, Martin said.
His grandmother-in-law was killed during the attack, multiple friends of
the woman told CNN. Lula White was the grandmother of Kelley's current
wife and often volunteered at the church, according to friends and her
Facebook profile.
Public records, and those who knew Kelley, describe a troubling history.
Kelley was the subject of an investigation for sexual assault and rape in
2013 in Comal County but the investigation ended without any charges,
Sheriff Mark Reynolds said.
In 2014, law enforcement responded to a disturbance call at an address
where Kelley and his then-girlfriend lived. Police notes from the event
say it was considered a misunderstanding.
Christopher Leo Longoria went to high school with Kelley. He said his
former classmate would focus on women's reactions and that it would "creep
out the ladies." Longoria said he had recently unfriended Kelley on
Facebook because of personal attacks against his friends.
"He was also posting a lot of non-God beliefs, atheism, a lot of gun
violence and a lot of weapons that he was into," Longoria told CNN.
Longoria described Kelly's Facebook posts as "a ridiculous amount of
nonsense." Kelly's page has been taken down but people in the community
have confirmed its existence and content.
His social media suggested a fascination with mass shootings, a law
enforcement official said.
Kelley served at the Holloman Air Force Base beginning in 2010, but was
discharged in 2014. He was court-martialed in 2012 for assault on his
spouse and child. Kelley served a year in military prison and received a
bad conduct discharge, according to Air Force spokeswoman Ann Stefanek.
Kelley was involved in "multiple occasions of domestic abuse" against his
ex-wife and stepson, said Don Christensen, who was the Air Force chief
prosecutor when Kelley was sentenced.
He said Kelley "violently" shook the child, causing fractures in his skull
and a subdural hematoma, a severe head injury in which there is bleeding
between the skull and the brain.
Kelley "admitted to, out of anger, pushing his son down and injuring him,"
Christensen said.
The gunman had been also arrested in August 2014 on an animal cruelty
charge in El Paso County, Colorado, after a witness said he had punched a
dog, grabbed it by the neck and dragged the animal. Kelley denied the
account and was issued a summons but didn't spend any time in jail.
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Rick Johnson
2017-11-12 15:41:00 UTC
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This man was a monster.
Indeed.

And here again, we have evidence of an absolute failure by
multiple law enforcement agencies and even branches of the
military. And we have seen this failure time and time again
in the various other mass shootings and terrorist attacks.
Even the Russians warned us about those two brothers in
Boston, yet, our FBI did nothing to protect the people of
Boston. Same in Orlando. Same in San Bernadino. Same in the
Nadal Hassan case. There where multiple glaring indicators
that these people hated America, hated Americans, and had the
ability commit acts of aggression. But those who are
responsible for our safety did _nothing_. They sat on their
fucking hands.

Animal cruelty is one of the strongest indicators of mental
derangement. Granted, the only incident we know about
occured when Devin was an adult. But if we look back into
his childhood, i would not be surprised if we found multiple
incidents of animal cruelty. These assholes start young,
torturing animals, and eventually, graduate to torturing
people.

Then we have the incident where he threatened his wife with
a gun to the head. This is the kind of asshole that makes
all gun owners look bad. Any responsible gun owner knows
that you cannot display your gun in a threatening manner or
fire warning shots -- such actions are illegal. All of his
guns should have been confiscated. He is not a responsible
gun owner. He is a psycho.

Multiple failures at multiple levels.

But, here again, all we are told to do is hope and pray for
better days, and hold more candlelight vigils. But there
won't be any better days. Not until we actually do
_something_. And this insane dream of removing all guns is
even more nuts than Devin's deranged mind. There simply is
no way to close pandora's box once it is opened. And even if
you did, somehow, manage to outlaw production of guns,
you're just going to move the production underground. Fuck,
half the basements in the US will become gun factories. And
do you think they will print serial numbers and manufacturer
names on these guns? Really? That's the kind of "solution"
that makes a bad problem into a worse problem.

So what do we do?

The first step is root out every incompetent boob in the
FBI, DOJ, DHS, and all law enforcement agencies throughout
the US, which includes not only the directors of these
agencies, but much of the leadership hierarchy as well.
These people have failed us. And they must be thrown out on
their asses and have their pensions denied.

Second, set-up a system by which any member of these
organizations can report boobery or coverups to the media
without fear of reprisals. There are underlings in these
organization who know where the bottle necks are, but they
are fearful of speaking up. We must change that. And we must
hold leadership accountable for their failures.

Third, ...

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