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Jahnu
2017-05-27 02:56:35 UTC
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Atheists have claimed the right to define natural. They say natural is
equivalent to material, they say all natural phenomena can be
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.

This assertion, however, is far from scientific. It's an assertion
based on pure faith. Not only is the assertion that life comes from
matter based on pure faith, it is also unspported by science. There is
no natural explanation of conscious awareness. Science can't say
anthing comprehensive about consciouness, still the scientific method
is being hailed as the main source of knowledge in the modern culture.

So here we have a process of knowledge, ie. science, that has
absolutely nothing sensible or scientific to say about existenting in
the world. Still, modern science is being hailed as the culmination of
human knowledge and progress.

hmmm...

Fortunately, to this hopeless scenario there is a viable alternative.


Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)






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Your Founding Fathers Erred
2017-05-28 20:46:56 UTC
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Atheists have claimed the right to define natural. They say natural is
equivalent to material, they say all natural phenomena can be
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.
This assertion, however, is far from scientific. It's an assertion
based on pure faith. Not only is the assertion that life comes from
matter based on pure faith, it is also unspported by science. There is
no natural explanation of conscious awareness. Science can't say
anthing comprehensive about consciouness, still the scientific method
is being hailed as the main source of knowledge in the modern culture.
So here we have a process of knowledge, ie. science, that has
absolutely nothing sensible or scientific to say about existenting in
the world. Still, modern science is being hailed as the culmination of
human knowledge and progress.
hmmm...
Fortunately, to this hopeless scenario there is a viable alternative.
Who is Krishna? Is it your new cow name?
Post by Jahnu
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
Have a look at my art -
http://youtu.be/uWw9o4DMHMo - God the Supreme Designer
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/y4F6tkoYZok - Planet Plant
http://youtu.be/e_ejv98XyL8 - Nature
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Olrik
2017-05-29 03:27:52 UTC
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bitch moan whine
Atheists have claimed the right to define natural. They say natural is
equivalent to material, they say all natural phenomena can be
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.
This assertion, however, is far from scientific. It's an assertion
based on pure faith. Not only is the assertion that life comes from
matter based on pure faith, it is also unspported by science. There is
no natural explanation of conscious awareness. Science can't say
anthing comprehensive about consciouness, still the scientific method
is being hailed as the main source of knowledge in the modern culture.
So here we have a process of knowledge, ie. science, that has
absolutely nothing sensible or scientific to say about existenting in
the world. Still, modern science is being hailed as the culmination of
human knowledge and progress.
hmmm...
Fortunately, to this hopeless scenario there is a viable alternative.
Who is Krishna? Is it your new cow name?
Now Cody's starting another kook fight...

I just wish you defective freaks would have your fights elsewhere...
Maybe even in real life!
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raven1
2017-05-30 13:05:06 UTC
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Atheists have claimed the right to define natural. They say natural is
equivalent to material, they say all natural phenomena can be
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.
And once again, Jesper loudly announces that he has no idea what he's
talking about, by incorrectly using a term that he doesn't understand.
(It should be noted that this is his second time doing so, even after
it's been explained to him, because the stubborn idiot will *never*
acknowledge that he's wrong about anything, no matter how many times
it's pointed out to him.)
Christopher A. Lee
2017-05-30 13:17:38 UTC
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bitch moan whine
Atheists have claimed the right to define natural.
What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
Post by raven1
Post by Jahnu
They say natural is
equivalent to material,
Liar.
Post by raven1
Post by Jahnu
they say all natural phenomena can be
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.
Was that meant to make sense?
Post by raven1
And once again, Jesper loudly announces that he has no idea what he's
talking about, by incorrectly using a term that he doesn't understand.
(It should be noted that this is his second time doing so, even after
it's been explained to him, because the stubborn idiot will *never*
acknowledge that he's wrong about anything, no matter how many times
it's pointed out to him.)
His religion has made him insane.

But he had to be a few fries short of a Happy Meal to become a Hari
Krishna loonie in the first place.

Does anybody know anything about him before that happened?
Kurt Nicklas
2017-05-30 15:43:27 UTC
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On Tue, 30 May 2017 09:05:06 -0400, raven1
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Post by Jahnu
bitch moan whine
Atheists have claimed the right to define natural.
What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
Post by raven1
Post by Jahnu
They say natural is
equivalent to material,
Liar.
Post by raven1
Post by Jahnu
they say all natural phenomena can be
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.
Was that meant to make sense?
Post by raven1
And once again, Jesper loudly announces that he has no idea what he's
talking about, by incorrectly using a term that he doesn't understand.
(It should be noted that this is his second time doing so, even after
it's been explained to him, because the stubborn idiot will *never*
acknowledge that he's wrong about anything, no matter how many times
it's pointed out to him.)
His religion has made him insane.
But he had to be a few fries short of a Happy Meal to become a Hari
Krishna loonie in the first place.
Does anybody know anything about him before that happened?
As always, CHRISTopher deliberately confuses "lie" with "disagreement". His motivation for this strange behavior probably includes the belief that if something is a lie that it needn't be rebutted and also makes him feel superior to the person expressing disagreement.

As I've said, CHRISTopher is very cowardly person and refuses to directly confront people who disagree.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-06-05 22:14:49 UTC
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bitch moan whine
Atheists have claimed the right to define natural.=20
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What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
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They say natural is
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equivalent to material,=20
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Liar.
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they say all natural phenomena c=
an be
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Post by raven1
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.
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Was that meant to make sense?
=20
Post by raven1
And once again, Jesper loudly announces that he has no idea what he's
talking about, by incorrectly using a term that he doesn't understand.
(It should be noted that this is his second time doing so, even after
it's been explained to him, because the stubborn idiot will *never*
acknowledge that he's wrong about anything, no matter how many times
it's pointed out to him.)
=20
His religion has made him insane.
=20
But he had to be a few fries short of a Happy Meal to become a Hari
Krishna loonie in the first place.
=20
Does anybody know anything about him before that happened?
As always, CHRISTopher deliberately confuses "lie" with "disagreement". His=
motivation for this strange behavior probably includes the belief that if =
something is a lie that it needn't be rebutted and also makes him feel supe=
rior to the person expressing disagreement.
As I've said, CHRISTopher is very cowardly person and refuses to directly c=
onfront people who disagree.
Telling lies is not disagreement. Telling lies is telling lies.
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Kurt Nicklas
2017-06-05 22:24:13 UTC
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bitch moan whine
Atheists have claimed the right to define natural.=20
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What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
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They say natural is
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by raven1
equivalent to material,=20
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Liar.
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Post by raven1
they say all natural phenomena c=
an be
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by raven1
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.
=20
Was that meant to make sense?
=20
Post by raven1
And once again, Jesper loudly announces that he has no idea what he's
talking about, by incorrectly using a term that he doesn't understand.
(It should be noted that this is his second time doing so, even after
it's been explained to him, because the stubborn idiot will *never*
acknowledge that he's wrong about anything, no matter how many times
it's pointed out to him.)
=20
His religion has made him insane.
=20
But he had to be a few fries short of a Happy Meal to become a Hari
Krishna loonie in the first place.
=20
Does anybody know anything about him before that happened?
As always, CHRISTopher deliberately confuses "lie" with "disagreement". His=
motivation for this strange behavior probably includes the belief that if =
something is a lie that it needn't be rebutted and also makes him feel supe=
rior to the person expressing disagreement.
As I've said, CHRISTopher is very cowardly person and refuses to directly c=
onfront people who disagree.
Telling lies is not disagreement. Telling lies is telling lies.
I agree that a lie is a lie but the definition of a lie is a statement made by a speaker who knows that the statement is false.

CHRISTopher, however, calls people "liars" because he doesn't like what the person says. He seems to feel that having contradicted the speaker if the speaker continues to make the same statement that he must be "lying".

That's not the way the word is defined.

Further, my hunch is that CHRISTopher's motivation for this is to assume an air of superiority and that anyone who doesn't believe him MUST be "lying".

CHRISTopher is a pretentious fool and a coward.

He doesn't deserve an ounce of respect from anyone here.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-06-06 22:54:29 UTC
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bitch moan whine
Atheists have claimed the right to define natural.=20
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What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
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They say natural is
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Post by raven1
equivalent to material,=20
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Liar.
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they say all natural phenomena c=
an be
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by raven1
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.
=20
Was that meant to make sense?
=20
Post by raven1
And once again, Jesper loudly announces that he has no idea what he's
talking about, by incorrectly using a term that he doesn't understand.
(It should be noted that this is his second time doing so, even after
it's been explained to him, because the stubborn idiot will *never*
acknowledge that he's wrong about anything, no matter how many times
it's pointed out to him.)
=20
His religion has made him insane.
=20
But he had to be a few fries short of a Happy Meal to become a Hari
Krishna loonie in the first place.
=20
Does anybody know anything about him before that happened?
As always, CHRISTopher deliberately confuses "lie" with "disagreement". His=
motivation for this strange behavior probably includes the belief that if =
something is a lie that it needn't be rebutted and also makes him feel supe=
rior to the person expressing disagreement.
As I've said, CHRISTopher is very cowardly person and refuses to directly c=
onfront people who disagree.
Telling lies is not disagreement. Telling lies is telling lies.
I agree that a lie is a lie but the definition of a lie is a statement made by a speaker who knows that the statement is false.
CHRISTopher, however, calls people "liars" because he doesn't like what the person says. He seems to feel that having contradicted the speaker if the speaker continues to make the same statement that he must be "lying".
If a person has been provided with facts and continues to spew his nonsense, then, yes, obviously, he's lying.
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2017-06-07 01:01:43 UTC
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On Tue, 30 May 2017 09:05:06 -0400, raven1
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bitch moan whine
Atheists have claimed the right to define natural.=20
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What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
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They say natural is
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by raven1
equivalent to material,=20
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Liar.
=20
Post by raven1
they say all natural phenomena c=
an be
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by raven1
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.
=20
Was that meant to make sense?
=20
Post by raven1
And once again, Jesper loudly announces that he has no idea what he's
talking about, by incorrectly using a term that he doesn't understand.
(It should be noted that this is his second time doing so, even after
it's been explained to him, because the stubborn idiot will *never*
acknowledge that he's wrong about anything, no matter how many times
it's pointed out to him.)
=20
His religion has made him insane.
=20
But he had to be a few fries short of a Happy Meal to become a Hari
Krishna loonie in the first place.
=20
Does anybody know anything about him before that happened?
As always, CHRISTopher deliberately confuses "lie" with "disagreement". His=
motivation for this strange behavior probably includes the belief that if =
something is a lie that it needn't be rebutted and also makes him feel supe=
rior to the person expressing disagreement.
As I've said, CHRISTopher is very cowardly person and refuses to directly c=
onfront people who disagree.
Telling lies is not disagreement. Telling lies is telling lies.
I agree that a lie is a lie but the definition of a lie is a statement made by a speaker who knows that the statement is false.
CHRISTopher, however, calls people "liars" because he doesn't like what the person says. He seems to feel that having contradicted the speaker if the speaker continues to make the same statement that he must be "lying".
If a person has been provided with facts and continues to spew his nonsense, then, yes, obviously, he's lying.
Nope. If he still believes - despite all the silly, pretentious pap you've vomited in his direction - that he's right and you're wrong then he's not lying. And if you insist he is then you're simply giving up and trying to get him to shut up.

Sorry.
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bitch moan whine
Atheists have claimed the right to define natural.=20
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What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
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They say natural is
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equivalent to material,=20
=20
Liar.
=20
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they say all natural phenomena c=
an be
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by raven1
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.
=20
Was that meant to make sense?
=20
Post by raven1
And once again, Jesper loudly announces that he has no idea what he's
talking about, by incorrectly using a term that he doesn't understand.
(It should be noted that this is his second time doing so, even after
it's been explained to him, because the stubborn idiot will *never*
acknowledge that he's wrong about anything, no matter how many times
it's pointed out to him.)
=20
His religion has made him insane.
=20
But he had to be a few fries short of a Happy Meal to become a Hari
Krishna loonie in the first place.
=20
Does anybody know anything about him before that happened?
As always, CHRISTopher deliberately confuses "lie" with "disagreement". His=
motivation for this strange behavior probably includes the belief that if =
something is a lie that it needn't be rebutted and also makes him feel supe=
rior to the person expressing disagreement.
As I've said, CHRISTopher is very cowardly person and refuses to directly c=
onfront people who disagree.
Telling lies is not disagreement. Telling lies is telling lies.
I agree that a lie is a lie but the definition of a lie is a statement
made by a speaker who knows that the statement is false.
CHRISTopher, however, calls people "liars" because he doesn't like what
the person says. He seems to feel that having contradicted the speaker
if the speaker continues to make the same statement that he must be "lying".
If a person has been provided with facts and continues to spew his
nonsense, then, yes, obviously, he's lying.
Nope. If he still believes - despite all the silly, pretentious pap
you've vomited in his direction - that he's right and you're wrong then
he's not lying. And if you insist he is then you're simply giving up and
trying to get him to shut up.
Sorry.
STFU, Kurt.
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Atheists have claimed the right to define natural.=20
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What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
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They say natural is
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equivalent to material,=20
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Liar.
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they say all natural phenomena c=
an be
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Post by raven1
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.
=20
Was that meant to make sense?
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And once again, Jesper loudly announces that he has no idea what he's
talking about, by incorrectly using a term that he doesn't understand.
(It should be noted that this is his second time doing so, even after
it's been explained to him, because the stubborn idiot will *never*
acknowledge that he's wrong about anything, no matter how many times
it's pointed out to him.)
=20
His religion has made him insane.
=20
But he had to be a few fries short of a Happy Meal to become a Hari
Krishna loonie in the first place.
=20
Does anybody know anything about him before that happened?
As always, CHRISTopher deliberately confuses "lie" with "disagreement". His=
motivation for this strange behavior probably includes the belief that if =
something is a lie that it needn't be rebutted and also makes him feel supe=
rior to the person expressing disagreement.
As I've said, CHRISTopher is very cowardly person and refuses to directly c=
onfront people who disagree.
Telling lies is not disagreement. Telling lies is telling lies.
I agree that a lie is a lie but the definition of a lie is a statement made by a speaker who knows that the statement is false.
CHRISTopher, however, calls people "liars" because he doesn't like what the person says. He seems to feel that having contradicted the speaker if the speaker continues to make the same statement that he must be "lying".
If a person has been provided with facts and continues to spew his nonsense, then, yes, obviously, he's lying.
Nope. If he still believes - despite all the silly, pretentious pap you've vomited in his direction - that he's right and you're wrong then he's not lying. And if you insist he is then you're simply giving up and trying to get him to shut up.
So you think being delusional is an excuse for lying, eh?
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Atheists have claimed the right to define natural.=20
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What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
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They say natural is
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equivalent to material,=20
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Liar.
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they say all natural phenomena c=
an be
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explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter.
=20
Was that meant to make sense?
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And once again, Jesper loudly announces that he has no idea what he's
talking about, by incorrectly using a term that he doesn't understand.
(It should be noted that this is his second time doing so, even after
it's been explained to him, because the stubborn idiot will *never*
acknowledge that he's wrong about anything, no matter how many times
it's pointed out to him.)
=20
His religion has made him insane.
=20
But he had to be a few fries short of a Happy Meal to become a Hari
Krishna loonie in the first place.
=20
Does anybody know anything about him before that happened?
As always, CHRISTopher deliberately confuses "lie" with "disagreement". His=
motivation for this strange behavior probably includes the belief that if =
something is a lie that it needn't be rebutted and also makes him feel supe=
rior to the person expressing disagreement.
As I've said, CHRISTopher is very cowardly person and refuses to directly c=
onfront people who disagree.
Telling lies is not disagreement. Telling lies is telling lies.
I agree that a lie is a lie but the definition of a lie is a statement made by a speaker who knows that the statement is false.
CHRISTopher, however, calls people "liars" because he doesn't like what the person says. He seems to feel that having contradicted the speaker if the speaker continues to make the same statement that he must be "lying".
If a person has been provided with facts and continues to spew his nonsense, then, yes, obviously, he's lying.
Nope. If he still believes - despite all the silly, pretentious pap you've vomited in his direction - that he's right and you're wrong then he's not lying. And if you insist he is then you're simply giving up and trying to get him to shut up.
So you think being delusional is an excuse for lying, eh?
You must.

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2017-06-01 00:20:39 UTC
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http://theyouth.in/2017/05/20/indian-professor/ - proves darwin wrong
ROTFLMFAO! Wow, that's one powerful load of woo there, Jesper! Even
you can't really be that gullible!
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2017-06-01 13:03:59 UTC
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http://theyouth.in/2017/05/20/indian-professor/ - proves darwin wrong
Repeating your link will not make the content any less idiotic,
Jesper.
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You have no idea whether this is wrong, because you obviously know
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2017-06-02 13:00:23 UTC
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http://theyouth.in/2017/05/20/indian-professor/ - proves darwin wrong
You have no idea whether this is wrong,
No, I know that it's wrong. You, on the other hand, have no basis on
which to evaluate it, since you have no background in the subject, and
because your grasp of logic lacks opposable thumbs.
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because you obviously know
nothing about science.
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better, loser.
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2017-06-03 09:43:19 UTC
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Humans are omnivores. Idiot!
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Humans are omnivores. Idiot!
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Humans are omnivores. Idiot!
What? Beause you say so?
Wow, that's pretty fucking stupid even for you, Jesper. No, humans are
not omnivores because I say so. I say so because it's an easily
observable fact on the level of "water is wet". The same applies to
you being an idiot: you aren't one beacuse I say so, I say so because
you are one.
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And Brave Sir Jesper once again bravely runs away, since even he knows
that humans are omnivores biologically. Idiot!
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How does it feel to have all empirical facts disprove your idiotic
world-view, Birdbrain? hahaha :) I'd really hate to be you...

--but, but Ah seen it on TV

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How does it feel to have all empirical facts disprove your idiotic
world-view, Birdbrain?
I wouldn't know: you've never posted any empirical facts, and you have
no idea what anyone outside your cult actually believes.
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http://www.maltanow.com.mt/?p=2927 - Evolution Debunk
How exactly is a page reading "Your app "aaa" is set up" supposed to
debunk evolution, Jesper? You really are an idiot of cosmic
proportions.
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http://theyouth.in/2017/05/20/indian-professor/ - proves darwin wrong
ROTFLMFAO! Did you even read the article, idiot? It's hysterically
funny. "Professor has found the sun, the moon and earth had played a
crucial role in formation of the first cell. Formation was never
possible, had there been no lunar dust, hence lunar dust has its role
therein. Lunar dust reacts with ocean on full moon day under the
influence of planets, stars, favourable conditions etc helped the
formation." That's a tin-foil hat level of incoherent k00kiness that
even you should be able to recognize as nonsensical, Jesper. Moreover,
it wouldn't prove Darwin wrong even if true, since evolution describes
how life diversifies over time, not how cells originated. Prabhupada -
a chemist, before he founded your cult - must be turning over in his
grave that one of his disciples would post such pseudo-scientific
tripe.
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http://theyouth.in/2017/05/20/indian-professor/ - proves darwin wrong
ROTFLMFAO! Did you even read the article, idiot? It's hysterically
funny. "Professor has found the sun, the moon and earth had played a
crucial role in formation of the first cell. Formation was never
possible, had there been no lunar dust, hence lunar dust has its role
therein. Lunar dust reacts with ocean on full moon day under the
influence of planets, stars, favourable conditions etc helped the
formation." That's a tin-foil hat level of incoherent k00kiness that
even you should be able to recognize as nonsensical, Jesper. Moreover,
it wouldn't prove Darwin wrong even if true, since evolution describes
how life diversifies over time, not how cells originated. Prabhupada -
a chemist, before he founded your cult - must be turning over in his
grave that one of his disciples would post such pseudo-scientific
tripe.
I don't think Jesper has been given this, which was pioneering work in
abiogenesis research more than half a century ago, The researcher
condensed it into a presentation he made at the Vatican, of all places
- hive the RCC its due, it has had many leading edge scientists
addressing symposia there, including Stephen Hawking.

This particular one was by the late Sidney Fox. He later repeated it,
and a transcription was published...

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The link is to an easy to follow presentation by the late Sidney Fox
on the formation of proto-cells in the lab using simple, natural
processes.

They metabolise, reproduce, self-organise and respond to
environmental stimuli. In other words, they satisfy the textbook
criteria for life.

http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/fox.html

The following is an abstract for a paper authored by Fox and his team
concerning their subsequent research into these proto-cells, with my
capitalising for emphasis...

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00700418

Experimental retracement of the origins of a protocell

Sidney W. Fox, Peter R. Bahn, Klaus Dose, Kaoru Harada, Laura Hsu,
Yoshio Ishima, John Jungck, Jean Kendrick, Gottfried Krampitz,
James C. Lacey Jr., Koichiro Matsuno, Paul Melius, Mavis
Middlebrook, Tadayoshi Nakashima, Aristotel Pappelis,Alexander Pol,
Duane L. Rohlfing, Allen Vegotsky, Thomas V. Waehneldt, H. Wax, Bi
Yu

[me: Note how few of the team doing this ground-breaking work were
American. Most of them were from overseas, doing post graduate and
post-doctoral work in the US. This has been the state of US science
for a long time]

Abstract

Although Oparin used coacervate droplets from two or more types of
polymer to model the first cell, he hypothesized homacervation from
protein, consistent with Pasteur and Darwin. Herrera made two amino
acids and numerous cell-like structures (“sulfobes”) in the
laboratory, which probably arose from intermediate polymers. Our
experiments have conformed with a homoacervation of thermal
proteinoid, in which amino acid sequences are determined by the
reacting amino acids themselves. All proteinoids that have been
tested assemble themselves alone in water to protocells. The
protocells have characteristics of life defined by Webster's
Dictionary: metabolism, growth, reproduction and response to stimuli
in the environment. THE PROTOCELLS ARE ABLE ALSO TO EVOLVE TO MORE
MODERN CELLS INCLUDING THE INITIATION OF A NUCLEIC ACID CODING
SYSTEM [my emphasis].

Note. Sidney Fox's work was in the 1950s. Alfonso Herrera's was in the
late 1930s. Both Aleksandr Oparin and J.B.S.Haldane had laid down the
theoretical groundwork in the 1920s.

So none of this is particularly new.

Will the Jesper-loonie even bother to read it?

And even if he does, will he discuss it honestly?
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Oh, look! Jesper posted a video instead of defending his k00kspew from
the previous post. Loser.
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*Yawn*. No one cares, Jesper.
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Atheist Declaration of Faith

First there was nothing, no time, no space - nothing, then something
happened to nothing - a point appeared out of nowhere and a universe
magically popped out of it creating time and space and everything.
Then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself into
self-replicating little bits and pieces, that turned into an amoeba.
The amoebas, through gradual series of little changes, turned into
humans, and the humans then learned to talk and invent computers, and
they also invented good and bad. And after all that, again there is
nothing. And it's all very scientific, no magic whatsoever needed.
This nice man in a white coat told me so himself, and I also saw it on
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Atheist Declaration of Faith
More like "Jesper attacks straw man, still loses".
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Krishna’s dialogue with Mother Ganga from the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana:

Ganga said:

O protector, Supreme enjoyer, on your departure for the perfect abode,
Goloka, thereafter what will be my situation in the age of Kali?

Krishna said:

Remain on earth for five thousand years of Kali yuga. Sinners will
deposit their sins in you by bathing.

By the sight, touch and bathing of one who worships Me by My mantra
all those sins will be at once burnt to ashes, O Ganga.

There will be chanting of the name of Hari and reading of the
[Bhagavata] Purana. Reaching such a place, attentively hear.

Sinful reactions including the killing of a brahmana can be nullified
be hearing the [Bhagavata] Purana and chanting of the names of Hari in
the
manner of devotees.

Just as dry grass is burnt by fire, by the embrace of Vaisnavas all
sins are burnt.

O Ganga, the whole planet will become a pilgrimage site by the
presence of Vaisnavas, even though it had been full of sinners and
sins.

In the body of My devotees remains eternally [the purifier]. Mother
Earth becomes pure by the dust of the feet of My devotees.

It will be the same in the case of pilgrimage sites and the whole
world. Those intelligent worshipers of My mantra who partake of My
remnants will
purify everything.

Those, who everyday meditate only on Me, are more dear to Me than My
life. The air and fire become pure simply by their indirect touch.

For 10,000 years of Kali such devotees of Mine will be present on
earth. After the departure of My devotees there will be only one varna
[outcaste].

Devoid of My devotees, the earth will be shackled by Kali. Saying
this, Krsna departed.

-- Brahma-Vaivarta Purana 49-60


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O protector, Supreme enjoyer, on your departure for the perfect abode,
Goloka, thereafter what will be my situation in the age of Kali?
Krishna said: it will be disgraceful. You will be the most polluted river on Earth,
and my idiot devotees will deny it.
Fixed it for you, dumbass.
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When you speak to people in general about God and religion, one
question that keeps coming up is - all religions are the same
nonsense, how do you know the God of your religion is better than any
other religion's God?

But it's a simple question to answer. First you read the Bible. Then
you read the Koran, and then you read Bhagavad Gita. These 3 books are
like the revealed scriptures of the world-religions, so they should
give you a pretty good answer.

When you have finished reading, you ponder the situation and ask
yourself - which of these books touch me the most profoundly, which of
them is closest to what you'd expect to hear from a God?

Can there be any doubt as to the answer?

"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson


Bhagavad Gita is the only book on the planet in which someone claiming
to be God, describes in detail about Himself, the soul and the world
and how they inter-relate. The philosophy and religion of Krishna’s
teachings is the pinnacle of philosophy and religion. The philosophy
delivered by Krishna in Bhagavad Gita is without a doubt the most
complete, consistent, sophisticated and well thought out explanation
of reality available anywhere in the world at all time.


"The reader is nowhere raised into and sustained in a bigger, purer or
rarer region of thought than in the Bhagavad Gita" - Henry David
Thoreau

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)

The Hare Krishna mission has two goals. One is to fight materialism,
humanism and atheism in all their different aspects. It is obvious,
that when you conduct an ideological war against the most prevalent
reality-view of the times, you are not going to be popular. But if we
have a little historical awareness, we know that the truth-sayers in
any society have always been a scorned and ridiculed minority.

The second part of the Hare Krishna mission is to offer the method by
which to know God as He is. The Vedic process is an elaborate system
of knowledge, but it all begins with the chanting of the name of the
Supreme Lord.

Please note, that this is not a sectarian process. We don't say that
Jehovah, Allah, or Buddha are wrong. We say that one should chant
Their names. In Hare Krishna we chant the Hare Krishna mantra, but we
don't say it is wrong to recite the names of God in other traditions.
The principle is to chant God's name. The specific name is a detail,
It is a universal, recognized process. In the standard prayer of the
Church it says, hallowed be thy name. In the Bible it urges one to
praise the name of the Lord from sun-rise to sun-set. The rosary has
the same amount of beads as the mala, or prayer-beads used in Hare
Krishna - 108. Muslems also use a mala or prayer beads. So to chant
the names of the Lord is the recommended process for this age in all
religions to connect with the Supreme Lord.

In the Upanishads it is stated that the Hare Krishna mantra is the
only function in this present age of Kali. That is not to be
understood in a sectarian way. It is to be understood, that the only
authorized process of religion or yoga for this age, is to chant the
holy names of the Lord - Krishna, Jehovah, Allah, or whatever. It is
the only process that will work for this age.

hare krsna hare krsna krsna krsna hare hare

hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare

"The above mantra consisting of 32 words and 16 syllables is the only
thing that can protect against the evil influence of Kali. After
searching through all the Vedas we will find no more sublime method of
religion."

(Kali-santarana Upanishad)


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When you speak to people in general about God and religion, one
question that keeps coming up is - all religions are the same
nonsense, how do you know the God of your religion is better than any
other religion's God?
That's idiotic on several levels: it assumes the existence of god/s
and it's counterfactual as to all religions being the same nonsense.
Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism all feature different nonsense.
Post by Jahnu
But it's a simple question to answer. First you read the Bible. Then
you read the Koran, and then you read Bhagavad Gita. These 3 books are
like the revealed scriptures of the world-religions, so they should
give you a pretty good answer.
That answer being that religion is bollocks.

By the way, Jesper, I've read all three. Have you? I doubt that very
much.
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What is the one thing most people do to have a wonderfull life?

Most people, to have a wonderful life, eat, sleep, mate and defend.
These four bodily necessities are shared by all living entities. The
present global culture is a human creation of a world-wide
civilization revolving around these four base activities. Success in
society is measured by how well you eat, sleep, mate or defend.
Some sleep on a straw mat on the floor, others sleep on a box spring
mattress that cost 20.000 $. Only successful people do that.
Successful people defend themselves with guns and stinger missiles
and unsuccessful people defend themselves with clubs. Success is to
eat a bloody steak from a porcelain-plate with silver cutlery,
unsuccess is to eat rice from a banana-leaf-plate and so on, you get
the picture.

In the modern Consumer civilization people are indoctrinated into
believing that sense-enjoyment will create happiness for them. Indeed,
sense-enjoyment is the only type of happiness the population is
educated in.

Lets analyze what bodily and mental happiness is all about. Sex is
regarded by most people to be the highest joy available in the world.
But sex-lust and sex-enjoyment is merely an attempt to escape the
suffering of being without sex. It's misery to live in forced
celibacy. Anyone who has reached puberty can testify to that. Or
eating. To eat is considered to be one of life's major enjoyments. But
actually, to eat is just an attempt to escape the suffering of hunger.
People of the Western culture don't know what it means to suffer from
famine, but it is a great suffering experienced by many people in the
world.

And that's how it is with most of the enjoyment we seek and
experience. Eating, sleeping, mating, and defending are the four
activities that are shared by all living entities. It is four urges
humans have in common with animals, birds, and all other living
entities on the planet. In the modern world it has become the foremost
goal to fulfill and satisfy these four urges. They have been made the
standard of happiness and enjoyment in life. What do we do together
with our loved ones, with our family and friends? We eat, sleep, mate,
and defend. The entire civilization revolves around these four
activities. That's an animal civilization.

A proper human civilization is running on a whole other set of
principles. As a human one is expected to have a higher standard of
life than animals. One is expected to have a higher goal than the mere
chasing after basic, animal urges. In the modern global culture entire
industries have been created to fulfill these four basic needs.
Millions of tons of iron are extracted from the earth to make pots,
knives and forks. Whole forests are cut down to make serviettes and
napkins. Add to that the industrial setup to manufacture cups and
glasses etc. A gigantic enterprise - all of it, just to eat.

Then they have more sense in India. In fact, Indians are more
civilized. They eat with the fingers from a banana-leaf plate. In the
west it is scoffed at as primitive and back-wards, but it shows higher
intelligence. No use for tons of iron to make knives and forks. No
dish-washing afterwards. You just throw your banana-leaf on the
compost heap and wash your hands. How easy is that?

The fact is that the western civilization is over-consuming nature's
resources. It is a greedy, exploitative civilization, that ruins
nature and puts her inhabitants through untold suffering.
Anyway, the happiness that can be obtained by surrendering to
Krishna's enjoyment is so far superior to the happiness that one can
squeeze out of matter, that sex with the most beautiful women becomes
like broken glass in comparison.

And who or what is to be blamed for the fact that the modern world
runs on animal principles? Atheism. Atheism reduces the human being to
nothing more than an animal. In reality, the human life-form is a
unique opportunity for the soul to realize his real, eternal identity.
The soul cannot realize itself in any other life-form. In other forms
of life, the soul is merely busy with eating, sleeping, mating, and
defending. The human form of life is a waste of time for the soul if
it is not used to learn about one's real self and one's relation to
Krishna.

The soul can relate to Krishna as his master, his father, his son, his
lover, or he can have a neutral relationship with Him. The point
being, that Krishna is the only center. He is the beloved of the soul.
When we love Krishna, who is the root of everything, we automatically
love all His parts and parcels - all other living entities. It's like
watering a tree. One does not benefit the tree by pouring water on its
every leaf and branch. Water is poured on the root. Then the whole
tree is nourished. In the same way all living entities are benefited
and nourished, when one loves and serves Krishna - the root of all
existence.

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
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What is the one thing most people do to have a wonderfull life?
Refrain from joining a cult. Any other stupid questions. Jesper?
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Finding a past

Nanditha Krishna

Last week, at the C P Art Centre in Chennai, T K V Rajan,
archaeologist turned television producer, presented an exhibition
titled "In Search of Krishna", a well-documented collection of
material about the excavations conducted at the various sites
connected with the life of Krishna and the events of the Mahabharata.
In view of the ongoing excavations at Ayodhya, it is worthwhile to see
what the Mahabharata excavations revealed.

Over 35 sites of the Mahabharata have been identified in the North,
all of which have yielded material culture - painted grey ware (PGW)
pottery painted over with designs in black pigment, and antiquities in
uniform and identical levels. This pottery is made of a superior
quality of paste formed of well levigated clay and fine, well-burnt
fabric achieved by distributing heat in the kiln evenly. This
civilisation is also characterised by the use of iron, unknown to the
earlier Harappans.

Hastinapur, between Meerut and Mawana in Uttar Pradesh, is now a
forgotten village, but excavations in 1952 revealed the existence of
Vidur-ka-tilla (Vidura's palace), Draupadi-ki-rasoi (Draupadi's
kitchen) and Draupadi Ghat (for bathing), besides copper utensils,
iron seals, ornaments made of gold and silver, terracotta discs and
several oblong-shaped ivory dice used in the game of chauper.

Iron objects numbering 135, and which included arrow and spearheads,
shafts, tongs, hooks, axes and knives indicate the existence of a
vigorous industry. There are indications of brick-lined roads and
drainage systems, and an agro-livestock based economy. The PGW of
Hastinapura has been assigned to 1100-800 BC. The events of the
Mahabharata probably occurred around 1000-900 BC.

Later, according to the Matsya and Vayu Puranas, a heavy flood on the
River Ganga destroyed Hastinapura, and Nichakshu, the fifth king after
Parikshit (Arjuna's grandson) who ascended the throne after the
Kurukshetra war, shifted his capital to Kausambi, 50 kilometres from
Allahabad. There is definite archaeological evidence of a massive
flood level. The devastation by the Ganga is still visible in the
thick clay soil.

After their exile, the Pandavas asked for three villages: Paniprastha,
Sonaprastha and Indiraprastha, generally identified with modern
Panipat, Sonepat and Puranaqila in New Delhi. These sites have also
yielded the same pottery and antiquities. Building structures with
drainage systems and PGW were excavated at Purana Qila.

Kurukshetra, now in Haryana, was the site of the Kuru war. Excavations
here have yielded iron arrow and spearheads, dated by Thermoluminence
(TM) to 2800 BC. Today it is a town of bathing pools. At the Brahma
Sarovar, a large lake 3,600 feet by 1,500 feet, Krishna, Balarama and
Subhadra are said to have bathed after a solar eclipse. Bhishma lay on
his bed of arrows at Bhishma Kund. Arjuna shot an arrow into the earth
and a cool fountain of water flowed out directly into Bhishma's mouth,
creating the Ban Ganga pond. Eight kilometres away is the village of
Thanesar, the capital of Harsha Vardhana in the sixth century.

Yet, the excavations were stopped soon after these finds were
revealed, and were never resumed. Why?

The submergence of Dwaraka is described vividly in the epic. Arjuna
asked the residents to vacate the city immediately as it was going to
be submerged by the sea. Dvaravati, according to the Sabhaparva of the
Mahabharata, was heavily fortified. Dr S R Rao started excavating the
Dwarkadish temple till he hit the remains of 15th, 12th and 9th
century AD temples. He dug on, passing two earlier temples, until, at
a depth of 9.5 metres, they came to the remains of two towns destroyed
by the sea. From the earlier of the two they recovered the
characteristic lustrous red pottery of the period and region.
Encouraged by his findings, he decided to search for Dwaraka.

Underwater exploration yielded two gateways, fort walls, bastions and
a jetty at a depth of 10 metres off Dwaraka, in the Arabian Sea. Apart
from corresponding to the Mahabharata's description of the
architectural features of the city and the mode of its submergence, it
has directly fixed a date by TM for the pottery of Dwaraka at 3520
years BP (Before Present).

Other finds include pottery, bronze and iron implements, three-holed
triangular stone anchors at Dwaraka, a late Harappan type of seal made
of conch of a composite animal - a bull, unicorn and goat - and
lustrous red ware pottery at Bet Dwaraka, linking the site to the
Harappan culture, and thereby establishing its continuity.

Bet Dwaraka was an island frequented by Krishna who is said to have
visited its Shankhodara Temple. It also contains the only ancient
temple for Matsya, the epic saviour of the world at the time of the
Great Flood. The materials discovered at Dwaraka corroborate history
and myth, and fix a date for the inundation of the city - between 1500
and 1300 BC.

The most remarkable aspect of both epics is their geography. The
Mahabharata mentions many small villages, tanks and hills, which are
still identifiable.

What is the historicity of the Mahabharata? Our doubting historians
will never accept any of these finds unless they are supported by
inscriptions, which will never be forthcoming as the earliest Indian
inscriptions belong to 300 BC. So, do we treat the epic as myth till
they are satisfied?

Western scholars tried to establish a connection between Krishna and
Christ, claiming that the former was derived from St Thomas' teachings
about the latter, but literature and archaeology have proved
otherwise. The Chandogya Upanishad mentions that Krishna Devakiputra
was a student of Ghora Angirasa and the author of the Upanishad, which
repeats the teachings of the Bhagavat Gita word by word.

In the 4th century BC, Chanakya refers to the story of Krishna's
birth, while Megasthenes mentions that the Sourasenoi (Surasenas or
Yadavas) worshipped Herakles (Krishna). Their two great cities were
Methora (Mathura) and Kleisobora (Krishnapura?) on the navigable river
Yobares (Yamuna). He also mentions that Herakles (Krishna) sent his
daughter Pandaia to rule over the kingdom of Mathura (Madura) on the
southern sea. Was she a descendant of the Pandavas, and did the latter
re-emerge as the Pandyas, whose southern capital was named after
Krishna's capital, Mathura?

Panini, Patanjali and the Buddhist and Jain works also mention Krishna
and the events of the Kurukshetra war, while the Chinese traveller
Yuan Chang records that a great war was fought at Kurukshetra and the
bones of dead warriors lay buried under the soil.

In 180-165 BC, the Greek ruler Agathocles issued coins with images of
Vasudeva holding a chakra. Several inscriptions are available in the
first century BC: the Greek ambassador Bhagavata Heliodorus erected a
Garuda column to Vasudeva at Besnagar; the Mora Well inscription near
Mathura mentions the worship of the five Vrishni heroes, including
Vasudeva; stone enclosures (Narayana vatika) were built for Vasudeva
and his brother Shankarshana (Balarama) at Ghosundi and Hathivada.

The most controversial site is, of course, the temple at Mathura, the
birthplace of Krishna. I am not aware if any excavation has been done
here, but tradition and even eminent historians associate the site
with the birth of Krishna, which is why Aurangazeb consciously chose
to build a mosque over it.

Apart from knowing that vyuhas were army formations, I never really
understood their formation or penetration. Rajan has computerised them
to work out how the various Kaurava warriors were placed and how the
Pandavas entered and destroyed these vyuhas, increasing the
sophistication of what was always believed to be a primitive tribal
war.

Krishna's divinity is a matter of faith, established by his
identification with Lord Vishnu. But archaeology has conclusively
established the veracity of the Mahabharata and the existence of the
cult of Vasudeva-Krishna at a very early period. The epics form the
soul of India, and Rajan has done well to document and bring alive
ancient history.

Nanditha Krishna is Director, C P Ramaswami Aiyar Foundation and can
be reached at ***@vsnl.com

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Although the given dates have pretty big range and the author
considers the Mahabharata events happening circa 2000 years after the
sastric date, the date '2800 BC' for Kuruksetra artifacts probably
scared the establishment scientists - it could support the sastras and
thus the whole Vedic civilization. That's why the excavations were
stopped, imho.

About Heliodorus's column you can read at
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Yet, the excavations were stopped soon after these finds were
revealed, and were never resumed. Why?
"Lack of money", rather than "a conspiracy" is almost always the
answer to such questions, Jesper.
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it. ~Aristotle
Absulutely, Jesper. Unfortunately, you accept every thought you
entertain, no matter how flat-out kooky it is, as long as it's outside
the mainstream.
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MAHABHARATA MYTHOLOGY?

Many modern people have the idea, that just because some literature is
very old and describes fantastic events that defy the modern
undertanding of a natural world, then this literature must certainly
be myths and fantasies.
For instance, Mahabharata is one such piece of literature. In
Mahabharata events are described that totally defy our modern
understanding of physics. But Mahabharata was written by Srila
Vyasadeva. Why would an illustrious and venerated sage like Srila
Vyasadeva - the literary incarnation of God - waste his time by
telling adventure stories for kids? There is no good reason to think
that. Only prejudice and modern, atheistic indoctrination would make a
person think that.

Bhagavad Gita is originally a chapter of the Mahabharata. Bhagavad
Gita is the only book in the world in which, someone claiming to be
God, explains in detail about Himself, the soul and the world and how
everything inter-relates.

The reality-description offered in the Bhagavad Gita by Krishna
according to the three modes of material nature is by far the most
ingenious, sophisticated, consistent and scientific explanation of
reality available on the planet. It's a science that can be tested and
verified like any other science.


Note, that Krishna is the only person so far in human history, who has
defined reality as opposed to illusion or unreality. He has defined
real as that which is eternal and unreal as that which is temporary.

Try and ask a modern scientist, what is his definition of real and
unreal, and see how far you get... You'll get some technical mumbo
jumbo that boils down to - but, but it's all chemicals. That's what
you'll get - something that has absolutely nothing to do with the
reality you live in or the reality you perceive.

So to reject the Vedic literature as mythology, just because it
doesn't fit into the Mickey Mouse conceptions of modern man, is no
less than extremely ignorant.

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)

Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.
(Bg 9.12 )


Krishna and Mahabharata : Historical reality

By Desh (Aug. 31, 2009)

Dr Manish Pandit, a nuclear medicine physician from UK is making a
movie on Krishna as a historic figure. Pandit has based his movie on
dates and timelines coming out of scientific based research by
credible evidence based on Archeology, Astronomy and Linguistics,
apart from Oral evidence from Indian tradition. Mahabharat War started
on November 22, 3067 BC. This comes out of astronomical evidence. And
the astronomical juxtapositions are not arbitrary or those that could
happen in any decade or such... but some of them have not happened
since.

They are THAT rare a phenomenon. Saturn at Rohini and Mars at Jyestha
with two eclipses - a Lunar eclipse at Kartik and Solar eclipse at
Jyesth. (these are from Udyoga and Bhisma Parvan).

(1)Amavasya occurs in Jyestha in 19 years
(2) (1) PLUS Solar Eclipse in Jyesth occurs in 340 years.
(3) (2) PLUS Saturn at Rohini occurs ONCE in 7000 years.

So, that constellation in astronomy has NOT occured since Mahabharat.
The date - exact one - when that would have happened is Nov 22, 3067
BC. Update: i found an article which is very well written, which I am
afraid may go away from that site. I have reproduced it at the bottom.
Not only that, but the latter events like destruction of Dwarka (based
on the astronomical events mentioned around that) occur at EXACTLY as
the text says - 36 years later.

Pandit has based his research on work of Dr Narhari Achar (a professor
of physics at the University of Memphis, Tennessee, in the US).
According to Achar, Krishna was born in 3112 BC. However, another
person has used dates and astronomical events to zero in on the dates
of that time, Arun K Bansal. According to him, Krishna was born on
July 21, 3228 BC anddied at 2 pm on February 18, 3102 BC. That is when
Kali Yuga is supposed to have started and Dwapar Yug came to an end.
So, Bansal's dates are a few decades prior to Achar's dates. However,
there are more people who side with Dr. Achar (refer to the article
reproduced below). Here are a few dates that can be identified with
respect to the dates by Dr. Achar: § Lord Krishna, on His final peace
mission, set out for Hastinapur on 26th September, 3067 B.C. when the
moon was at the asterism Revati.

§ Lord Krishna arrived Hastinapur on 28th September, 3067 B.C., when
the moon was at the asterism Bharani.
§ The full moon and lunar eclipse at Krittika occurred on 29th
September, 3067 B.C.
§ The solar eclipse at Jyestha occurred on 14th October, 3067 B.C.
§ Lord Balarama set out for pilgrimage on 1st November, 3067 B.C.
§ The War began on 22nd November, 3067 B.C.
§ Lord Balarama concluded His pilgrimage on 12th December, 3067 B.C.
§ The winter solstice occurred on 13th January, 3066 B.C.
§ Bhishma died on 17th January, 3066 B.C.
§ The comet Mahaghora appeared at the asterism Pushya in October, 3066
B.C.

Mahabharat dates and Historical Events

Interestingly, the decades when Dwapar Yuga is supposed to have ended
and Kali Yug supposed to have started as per these dates.. were also
the years of some MAJOR climatic shift on earth - due most probably to
major shifts in Solar Activity! Some of the MAJOR things that
happened:

§ Sahara region changed from a habitable land to a barren desert!
§ Glaciers Expanded covering plants.
§ Atmospheric temperatures fell drastically.

This was also the time, when Harrapan Civilization or Sindhu-Saraswati
Civilization is supposed to have began.

Some people believe that Mahabharat was a Nuclear War. Why? Because of
some explanations that defy contemporary knowledge of weapons that
people of THAT time could conceivably have created. Weapons with such
impact could not have been conjured up just out of nowhere..
REPEATEDLY.. in various parts of the text. See below for one such
description of its effects. It is not surprising that even in the
modern world, Robert Oppenheimer, Nuclear Scientist jumped up after
seeing the Atomic blast and cited a similar verse from Gita (part of
Mahabharat).

Now, if you see the extreme climactic changes - creation of desert out
of habitable land in Sahara and drastic fall in atmospheric
temperature as if Solar Activity had changed - it may not be entirely
unlikely, that those climatic shifts may have mimicked a Nuclear
Winter.

Mahabharat is a fantastic epic and one which would have required MORE
than just imagination to write. No writer has ever written something
so completely OUT of whack with his times, mores and thinking... as a
Mahabharat within the context of History as taught in our school texts
suggests. It seems so fantastic that even the idea seems absurd! That
alone - the imagination of a writer 5000 years ago to write something
that (if linera historical progress is taken to be true) ONLY people
of today could have seen/heard/experienced/imagined! Its not just
wishful imagination - as parting of seas et al - but very exact
descriptions of things that happen today and could happen tomorrow.
The philosophy of Gita is hitherto unparalleled in the spiritual
realm. No Saint, prophet, Master, or mystic has covered so many
topologies - Knowledge, Devotion, Action, - with so much mastery. What
I am trying to say is that you cannot get something out of nowhere.
You can only conjure up stuff that is there in your immediate
consciousness.

Fantasies and miracles in knowledge dont make sense to me! An
incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand
suns, rose with all its splendour. It was an unknown weapon, an iron
thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the
entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. The corpses were so
burned as to be unrecognizable. Hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke
without apparent cause, and the birds turned white. .After a few hours
all foodstuffs were infected. .to escape from this fire the soldiers
threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment.”
Reference Links:

1. 'Lord Krishna existed. School texts are wrong'
2. Krishna (b. July 21, 3228 BC)
3. 33rd century BC
4. Pre-historic Nuclear War and ancient Flying Aircraft uncovered
Historicity of Mahabharat

In January 2001, Indian History Congress was holding its Annual
Conference at the Alipur Campus of the University of Calcutta and at
the concluding session of the said Conference the Nobel Laureate
economist Dr. Amartya Sen, while addressing the delegates, said that
Ramayana and Mahabharata do not have any historical value. These two
epics are simply mythology and nothing but poets’ fancy. He also said
that neither Rama nor Krishna was a historical personality and both of
them were simply mythical. Gandhiji wrote two commentaries on
Shrimadbhagavadgita, Anasaktiyoga and Gitabodha, and in the
introduction of the former work, he wrote, “Generally Mahabharata is
taken to be a historical work.

But in my opinion, it is not so. I cannot say that Ramayana and
Mahabharata are historical works. They are simply religious works. If
you are still inclined to treat them as historical works, then I
should say that they are nothing but the history of the Self (Atma).
They do not contain what happened thousands of years ago. On the
contrary, they are the reflections of what is happening today in every
soul”.

About Lord Krishna, he wrote, ”Krishna of Gita is the embodiment of
pure and divine knowledge, but without having any physical existence.
By this the Avatar Krishna is not denied at all, but only it is said
that He is mythical”. It is not difficult to understand that all such
utterances of Sen, Gandhi and many other like minded Indians derive
inspiration from the Western interpretation of Indian history. Most of
the Western scholars firmly believe that our ancestors grossly
neglected writing history and what we claim to be our history is
nothing but mythology. So M. Winternitz in his History of Indian
Literature writes, “History is one weak spot in Indian literature. It
is, in fact, non-existent.

The total lack of historical sense is so characteristic that the whole
course of Sanskrit literature is darkened by the defect”. The renowned
German scholar Max Muller, in his History of Ancient Sanskrit
Literature, writes, “No wonder that a nation like India cared so
little for history”. “With regard to history, the Hindus have done
really nothing but romances from which some truth may occasionally be
extracted”, says another Western scholar Major Wilford. These scholars
refuse to accept Ramayana, Mahabharata and the Puranas as historical
works as there are no mention of year and dates of the events
described therein. But people of this country firmly believe that
Ramayana, Mahabharata and the Puranas are their history and not simply
epics or poets’ fancy. So Dr. S. Kalyanaraman, the director of the
Chennai based Saraswati River Research Centre, says that the
historicity of the events described in Ramayana and Mahabharata is
validated by two evidences: one is based on tradition and the other is
based on jyotisha, or planetary configurations and other celestial
events narrated along with mundane events described in those epics,
which may be called sky epigraphs.

So far tradition is concerned, people of this nation believe that Lord
Rama was born on the day of Ramanavami and Lord Krishna was born on
the day of Janmastami and so on. In fact, there is a long list of such
traditional beliefs such as: Bhishma died on the Bhishmastami day, on
the day of Vijaya Dashami, Lord Rama celebrated the day, with His
army, as the day of victory after killing Ravana and defeating his
army just on the previous day, on the day of Deepavali, Lord Rama
returned to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile and the people of Ayodhya
celebrated the day and decorated their houses by lighting lamps and
the tradition is still being continued; the War of Kurukshetra began
on the day of Gita Jayanti and so on and so forth. It is really
strange that the people of Western Garhwal, now in the state of
Uttaranchal, observe every year the Duryodhana Festival.

There also exists a temple dedicated to Duryodhana where people offer
their puja and many believe that the city of Varanavat, where
Duryodhana tried to burn the Pandavas alive, was situated in that
locality. It is also really striking that people of this country offer
water in memory of Bhishma during shraddha ceremony. The point to be
highlighted here is that, had all these been poets’ fancy and
mythical, the traditions could not have been continued for such a long
time.

The aspect of celestial epigraph, or planetary positions described in
these epics, particularly in Mahabharata, undoubtedly shows that the
said epics do mention the dates of events described therein, which the
Western scholars failed miserably to understand. In Mahabharata alone
there are 150 instances where worldly events are mentioned along with
the planetary positions in the sky. And, in addition to that, other
astronomical events such as occurrence of an eclipse, or appearance of
a comet, or rare events like shower of meteorites have been mentioned.
A few of such examples may be mentioned below The Udyoga Parva of
Mahabharata narrates that, just before the War, Lord Krishna, in His
final peace mission, went to Hastinapur in the month of Kartika. He
set out on the day when moon was at the asterism Revati. On His way to
Hastinapur, Krishna took rest for a day at a place called Brikasthala,
and on that day the moon was at the asterism Bharani.

The day on which Duryodhana turned down each and every effort of Lord
Krishna to make peace and made the war inevitable, the moon was
resting at the asterism Pushya. And the Lord left Hastinapura with
Karna, on the day when the moon was yet to reach the asterism Uttara
Phalguni. As mentioned above, Karna accompanied Him to some distance
to see Him off and he then described to the Lord the positions of
planets in the sky and expressed his apprehension that such a
planetary configuration stood for very bad omen: such as large scale
loss of life and drenching of blood. Vyasadeva narrated all these
planetary positions in as many as sixteen verses as if someone was
describing it after visualizing them in the sky. It is also well known
that during the War, Lord Balarama went on a pilgrimage to holy places
along the banks of the River Saraswati and Mahabharata describes the
position of the moon during the entire course of pilgrimage.
For example, He set out on the day when the moon was at the asterism
Pushya and returned on the day when the moon was at the asterism
Shravana.

The Mahabharata also mentions the occurrence of a solar eclipse at the
asterism Jyestha and a lunar eclipse at the asterism Krittika, just
before the beginning of the War. It also mentions the appearance of a
comet at the asterism Pushya, on the 8th day of the bright half of the
month of Magha, when Bhishma died. On that day the moon was at the
asterism Rohini and it was the day of Winter Solstice.

The day on which Ghatotkacha, son of Bhima, died, the moon appeared at
the horizon at 2.00 a.m. The epic also mentions the occurrence of a
very rare astronomical event that took place prior to the War: three
eclipses, two lunar and a solar, within a lunar month of 27 days.
There is also another continuing tradition in this country that says
that the beginning of the present Kali Yuga, Kurukshetra War, death of
Lord Krishna and coronation of Emperor Yudhishthira were contemporary
events.

Famous astronomer Aryabhatta in his celebrated work Aryabhatiyam had
accepted the said tradition and used the word “Bharatapurvam” in the
said work very often and scholars agree that he used the word to refer
to such events that occurred before the Mahabharata War. In 1991, Dr.
D. Abhayankar and Dr. Ballabh of the Osmania University calculated
that the present Kali Yuga began on 7th February, 3104 B.C. But it is
now well accepted by the both Eastern and the Western scholars that
the present Kali Yuga began on the midnight of 17th and 18th February,
3102 B.C. And hence it can roughly be said that the Mahabharata War
took place nearly 5000 years ago from now.

Today, man has created a machine called computer which, though most
idiotic, can do mathematical calculations at an incredible speed.
According to a popular ad of a computer company, the calculations
which Johannes Kepler took ten years to complete, can be done today
within minutes, using a computer. It has therefore been possible for
the scientists, with the help of this fantastic machine, to determine
the dates of ancient events with unthinkable accuracy, using the
planetary configurations given in the Mahabharata , as inputs. They
have developed so many software for this purpose and to name a few
are: (1) Planetarium, (2) Ecliptic, (3) Lode star and the(4) Panchang
Software. In 2003, a two day seminar was held on 5th and 6th January,
in Bangalore, on “The Date of Mahabharata War: Based on Astronomical
Data Using Planetarium Software”, and a few of the eminent researchers
who submitted papers were (1) Dr. S. Balakrishna of NASA, USA; (2) Dr.
B. N. Narahari Achar, Department of Physics, Memphis University, USA;
(3) Dr. R. N. Iyengar, Department of Civil Engineering, IISc,
Bangalore; (4) Dr. S. Kalyanaraman, Saraswati River Research Centre,
Chennai and so on.

These scientists agree that there does not exist any contradiction
between any two descriptions of planetary configurations given in the
Mahabharata. Dr. S. Balakrishna has studied the eclipses, both solar
and lunar, described in the Mahabharata and tried to find out the
dates of those eclipses using the Lode Star Software. Generally 240
solar and 150 lunar eclipses occur in a century and during the period
from 3300 B.C. to 700 B.C. nearly 6000 solar and 4000 lunar eclipses
took place, though not all of them were visible from India, or to be
more precise, from Kurukshetra. Out of them, 672 were eclipse pairs,
or both solar and lunar eclipses within a lunar month. Dr. Balakrishna
studied the eclipses those have been mentioned in the text of
Mahabharata. In fact, there are mentions of solar eclipses at 8 places
in Mahabharata, out of which three of them are very important.

Firstly, the solar eclipse that is mentioned in the Sabha Parva. The
second solar eclipse which is mentioned in the Udyoga Parva to which
Karna tried to draw the attention of Lord Krishna when He was
returning from Hastinapur. The third important solar eclipse has been
mentioned in the Shalya Parva, that occurred along with two lunar
eclipses within a month. Many believe that there was a total solar
eclipse occurred on the 13th day of the War, which has been
allegorically mentioned as covering the sun by Lord Krishna with is
His Sudarshan Chakra. The epic Mahabharata has so many other aspects
which common people do not know. Firstly, the epic as we see it today
containing 100,000 verses was not the creation of Vedavyasa. He
composed what was then known as the Jai, containing only 8,800 verses.
Later on Rishi Vaishampayana enlarged it to contain 24,000 verses
which was then known as the Bharata. Finally Sauti, the son of the
suta (the chariot driver) Lomaharshana, gave it present form as we see
now, containing 100,000 verses.

It has been mentioned earlier that just prior to the Mahabharata War,
a very rare event of three eclipses occurring within a lunar month
took place: a lunar eclipse followed by a solar one and then another
lunar eclipse. According to the text of Mahabharata, the solar eclipse
occurred just 13 days after the first lunar eclipse. Dr. S.
Balakrishna of NASA, USA, has searched all eclipse pairs, a lunar
eclipse followed by a solar eclipse after 13 days, that took place
from 3300 B.C. to 700 B.C., using the Lodestar pro-software. He found
that nearly 672 eclipse pairs have occurred within the said period,
out of which 27 pairs have been found to have less than 14 days time
gap. And according to Dr. Balakrishna, the eclipse pair of 2559 is the
best match with the description given in the text of Mahabharata. But
according to Dr. Kalyanaraman, the eclipses occurred in 3067 B.C.- the
lunar eclipse on 29th September at the asterism Krittika and the solar
eclipse on 14th October at the asterism Jyestha. Researcher Dr. P. V.
Holay examined 6 planetary configurations given in the Mahabharata and
concluded that the War began on 13th November, 3143 B.C.

But Dr. K. S. Raghavan and his coworker Dr. G. S. Sampath Iyengar,
using the Planetarium software came to the conclusion that the
Kurukshetra War began on 22nd day of November, 3067 B.C. (according to
the present Gregorian calendar). Professor Dr. Narahari Achar of the
University of Memphis, USA, also arrived at the same conclusion using
the said Planetarium software. Dr. S. Kalyanaraman of the Saraswati
River Research Centre, Chennai, found the estimates of Dr. K. S.
Raghavan and Dr. Narahari Achar correct and, on that basis, calculated
the dates of some other important events of Mahabharata. For example:
Lord Krishna, on His final peace mission, set out for Hastinapur on
26th September, 3067 B.C. when the moon was at the asterism Revati.
Lord Krishna arrived Hastinapur on 28th September, 3067 B.C., when the
moon was at the asterism Bharani. The full moon and lunar eclipse at
Krittika occurred on 29th September, 3067 B.C. The solar eclipse at
Jyestha occurred on 14th October, 3067 B.C. Lord Balarama set out for
pilgrimage on 1st November, 3067 B.C. The War began on 22nd November,
3067 B.C. Lord Balarama concluded His pilgrimage on 12th December,
3067 B.C. The winter solstice occurred on 13th January, 3066 B.C.
Bhishma died on 17th January, 3066 B.C. The comet Mahaghora appeared
at the asterism Pushya in October, 3066 B.C. inally, it should be
mentioned that the said seminar officially accepted that the
Mahabharata War began, as mentioned above, on 22nd November, 3067 B.C.

So it appears that the Mahabharata War took place, not in Dwapara Yuga
but, in the 35th year of the present Kali Yuga. It is not unlikely
because according to the text of Mahabharata, the War took place at
the juncture of Dwapara and Kali Yuga. Last year, (2005 A.D.),
astrologer Arun Kumar Bansal, using computer software, calculated date
of birth of Lord Krishna and it was 21st July, 3228 B.C. So it appears
that during the Mahabharata War, age of Lord Krishna was 161 years. At
the first sight, it may appear to be absurd. But it should be
mentioned here that, according to Hindu scriptures, the normal life
span of human beings is 400 years in Krita (or Satya), 300 years in
Treta, 200 years in Dwapara and 100 years in Kali Yuga. In fact,
during the Kurukshetra War, most of the military top brass of both
Kauravas and Pandavas were more than 100 years old.

To conclude, it should be mentioned here that the discovery of the
ruins of the city of Dwaraka by the renowned archaeologist Dr. S. R.
Rao, under the Arabian Sea, provides another strong evidence that Lord
Krishna and the story of Mahabharata were a reality and not simply
poet’s fancy.


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raven1
2017-06-19 13:39:49 UTC
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MAHABHARATA MYTHOLOGY
Your insistence on proving my point every time is fascinating. This is
a perfect example of you believing anything as long as it's outside of
the mainstream. Well done, Jesper!
Jahnu Das
2017-06-27 02:21:23 UTC
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----but, but, but there is no magic involved in creating life. It's
all a natural process. If you ask me what exactly is that natural
process, I have no idea, I just call it a natural process to make it
sound like it's science, to fool creationists into thinking, that I
know what I'm talking about.

These poor religious fanatics, they need some magical, invisible pixie
sitting in the sky, to explain nature, but me? Forget it, I don't need
magic to explain nature, because it's all a naturall process.

You see, first there was a point... I call the point a singularity to
make it sound less ridiculous, I fabulate it's a point of all mass,
space, and time, so no need to worry about what was outside the point,
because there was nothing outside the point - no space, no time, no
mass, no condencity, no nothing, you understand? There was only the
point, and from that point a universe came out, just like that, for no
apparent reason, it just happened, see? No magic involved... it's all
a natural process, and as we all know natural processes are very
scientic.

I won't get into what happened with the natural processes after the
universe popped into existence - how life evolved out of chemicals and
then transmuted from an amoeba into a talking human being. Don't worry
yourself about all these annoying details, all you have to understand
is that it's completely natural and scientific.... and that it
happened over long, long time. That's all you have to know.

Also, don't worry yourself that noone with a brain actually believes
the world created itself out of a bunch of chemicals, don't worry that
the most prominent and brainy scientists on the planet support the
idea of ID - Intelligent Design, simply because it makes more sense.

That's totally inconsequential. All you have to know, is that it's all
completely natural. It doesn't matter you have no clue what it means
or entails. You simply have to repeat it like a mantra, just try it -
natural process, natural process, natural natural process process, no
magic, no magic, magic magic no no... see how good it makes you feel?

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a
superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry
and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about
in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so
overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." - Fred
Hoyle, astrophysicist
raven1
2017-06-27 13:02:18 UTC
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----but, but, but there is no magic involved
In anything. You're an idiot. Magic isn't real. Grow the fuck up.
Jahnu
2017-06-28 04:29:46 UTC
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----but, but, but there is no magic involved in creating life. It's
all a natural process. If you ask me what exactly is that natural
process, I have no idea, I just call it a natural process to make it
sound like it's science, to fool creationists into thinking, that I
know what I'm talking about.

These poor religious fanatics, they need some magical, invisible pixie
sitting in the sky, to explain nature, but me? Forget it, I don't need
magic to explain nature, because it's all a naturall process.

You see, first there was a point... I call the point a singularity to
make it sound less ridiculous, I fabulate it's a point of all mass,
space, and time, so no need to worry about what was outside the point,
because there was nothing outside the point - no space, no time, no
mass, no condencity, no nothing, you understand? There was only the
point, and from that point a universe came out, just like that, for no
apparent reason, it just happened, see? No magic involved... it's all
a natural process, and as we all know natural processes are very
scientic.

I won't get into what happened with the natural processes after the
universe popped into existence - how life evolved out of chemicals and
then transmuted from an amoeba into a talking human being. Don't worry
yourself about all these annoying details, all you have to understand
is that it's completely natural and scientific.... and that it
happened over long, long time. That's all you have to know.

Also, don't worry yourself that noone with a brain actually believes
the world created itself out of a bunch of chemicals, don't worry that
the most prominent and brainy scientists on the planet support the
idea of ID - Intelligent Design, simply because it makes more sense.

That's totally inconsequential. All you have to know, is that it's all
completely natural. It doesn't matter you have no clue what it means
or entails. You simply have to repeat it like a mantra, just try it -
natural process, natural process, natural natural process process, no
magic, no magic, magic magic no no... see how good it makes you feel?

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a
superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry
and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about
in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so
overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." - Fred
Hoyle, astrophysicist
raven1
2017-06-28 13:09:46 UTC
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----but, but, but there is no magic involved in
Anything, since there's no such thing as magic. How fucking gullible
are you?
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2017-06-29 06:26:31 UTC
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2017-06-14 16:08:58 UTC
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Atheist Declaration of Faith
That was too close to real so I deleted it.
Fixed it for ya, booby.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-06-10 21:53:18 UTC
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http://youtu.be/DKfGC3P9KoQ
"Forbidden archeology"?????? Really?

Forbidden by whom?
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2017-06-12 18:10:09 UTC
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http://youtu.be/DKfGC3P9KoQ
"Forbidden archeology"?????? Really?
Forbidden by whom?
See this guy:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_Cremo

Woo, and more woo.

Kevin R
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2017-06-10 10:03:09 UTC
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http://theyouth.in/2017/05/20/indian-professor/ - proves darwin wrong
Of course it doesn't.


But even if it did prove some part of Darwin incorrect, so fucking what? We have 150 years are massive data and data crunching computers collating all the data from everywhere.

Darwin is but a mere historical footnote beyond being the Father of Natural Selections.

It's a real shame you seem incapable of thinking in a logical fashion but are stuck in weird superstitious thinking. You'd think you'd want to be better than idiot Muslims and idiot Christians to prove that your brand of Hinduism is the best. But, apparently, no.
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Humans are omnivores. Idiot!
No. Because that's how our digestive system has evolved.

Sheesh!
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2017-06-05 22:12:19 UTC
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http://theyouth.in/2017/05/20/indian-professor/ - proves darwin wrong
ROTFLMFAO! Wow, that's one powerful load of woo there, Jesper! Even
you can't really be that gullible!
Here's how stupid this guy is:

"His research carried sincerity and honesty, therefore the science fraternity could not find it hard to get convinced."

Does he actually think this is how science works? The most sincere-seeming person wins? Un-fucking-believable.
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2017-06-01 00:29:54 UTC
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http://theyouth.in/2017/05/20/indian-professor/ - proves darwin wrong
Nothing proves Darwin wrong.

Nothing in your link p[roves Darwin wrong. It is just more religious bullshit without any substance.
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2017-06-05 22:01:24 UTC
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http://theyouth.in/2017/05/20/indian-professor/ - proves darwin wrong
Summarize his argument, listing the pieces of data that he uses to prove his point.
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Atheists have claimed the right to define natural. They say natural is
equivalent to material, they say all natural phenomena can be
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter
.........

I think you are making this up as you go along.
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Atheists have claimed the right to define natural. They say natural is
equivalent to material, they say all natural phenomena can be
explained by the chemical fluctuations in matter
.........
I think you are making this up as you go along.
[quote]

natural (adj.)
c. 1300, naturel, "of one's inborn character; hereditary, by birth;"
early 14c. as "of the world of nature (especially as opposed to man),"
from Old French naturel "of nature, conforming to nature; by birth,"
and directly from Latin naturalis "by birth, according to nature," from
natura "nature" (see nature).

From late 15c. as "not miraculous, in conformity with nature."
Meaning "easy, free from affectation" is attested from c. 1600. Of
things, "not artificially created," c. 1600. As a euphemism for "illegitimate, bastard" (of children), it is first recorded c. 1400,
on notion of blood kinship (but not legal status).

Natural science is from late 14c.; natural law is from early 15c.
Natural order "apparent order in nature" is from 1690s. Natural childbirth
first attested 1933. Natural life, usually in reference to the duration of
life, is from late 15c. Natural history is from 1560s (see history). To die
of natural causes is from 1570s.

[/quote] - http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=natural

Very few of those meanings were the result of atheist influence.
Scholarship in the middle ages and even into the Renaissance, at
least in the West - and "natural" is a word derived from Latin,
so clearly in the Western tradition - was dominated by the Catholic
Church, and even after the Reformation started Protestant clergy
were prominent scholars.

The dichotomy between matter and spirit was a contentious issue in
early Christianity. To this day there are Christian sects who don't
really believe in physicality, such as the Christian Scientists.
In western philosophy, there is idealism, where "everything is mind,"
a not-uncommon sentiment in the East, either.

If you start with the idea that the physical world is an illusion,
you are, of course, going to get into disagreements with scientifically-
minded empiricists. Bitching about the definition of "natural" does no
good. It is a useful term to distinguish actual matter and actual
energy from the make-believe world of the supernatural. If you think the
supernatural or preternatural are also existents, and merit discussion,
well....good luck with that. Have your discussion elsewhere, please.

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2017-05-30 22:56:07 UTC
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Nobody cares what Krishna says.

Everything that exists is natural.

The unnatural does not exist.
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2017-05-30 23:07:11 UTC
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Nobody cares what Krishna says.
Everything that exists is natural.
The unnatural does not exist.
It's unnatural for bats to fly in the daytime.
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2017-05-30 23:13:36 UTC
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Nobody cares what Krishna says.
Everything that exists is natural.
The unnatural does not exist.
It's unnatural for bats to fly in the daytime.
Not if bats are part of nature, then anything they do is natural.
It might be unusual, but it is not unnatural.
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