Post by Cloud Hobbit
If people are predestined for heaven or he'll then there is zero
reason to follow biblical teaching. It won't matter since you have
already been assigned your place in eternity.
You can live as a saint or a sinner and it won't matter.
No one "follows Biblical teaching".
Nobody can "live as a saint".
"None is righteous, no, not one;
no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
All have turned aside;
together they have become worthless;
no one does good, not even one."
You've either been born again by the Holy Spirit, or you haven't.
"Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the
Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, 'Rabbi, we know
that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that
you do unless God is with him.' Jesus answered him, 'Truly, truly, I say
to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.'
Nicodemus said to him, 'How can a man be born when he is old? Can he
enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?' Jesus answered,
'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he
cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh,
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I
said to you,
'You must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its
sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is
with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
You've either been given a new heart and a new spirit, or you haven't.
"And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within
you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give
you a heart of flesh."
If you've been born again (regenerated), and given a new heart and a new
you will produce the "fruit of the Spirit"
"The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no
(Galatians 5:22, 23)
The fruit of the Spirit are not the cause of a person's salvation.
The fruit of the Spirit are the result of that person already having
The unregenerate non-elect will always believe what another unregenerate
non-elect says, whereas the regenerate elect will intrinsically recognize
what the unregenerate non-elect says as a lie. Therefore those who were
predestined for Hell, will still end up in Hell, and those who are
for Heaven are still going to go to Heaven. Nothing in God's plan will
For by convincing other unregenerate non-elects to believe his lies, he is
fulfilling that part of God's plan which God has predestined just for him.
Or, as the Gospel of John very concisely puts it:
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door
but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who
enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper
The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them
out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep
follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but
they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers."