Post by Mack McDonagh Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Tue, 7 Mar 2017 18:36:43 -0800 (PST), hypatiab7
Post by hypatiab7 Post by someone
If a person does not hold the belief that God exists but does not hold
the belief that God doesn't exist either, should they be considered an
The usual problem of theists who can't think outside their theism, so
they cannot grasp that people outside it cannot be described
accurately according to theistic presumptions. let alone have the
positions they imagine we do.
Because outside their theism, gods are merely something some people
believe and never reach the level of something that could or could not
A god called "God" is merely one of hundreds of different
Yet Christians can't grasp that if you don't already believe it, it is
no different from all the rest.
Post by Mack McDonagh Post by Christopher A. Lee Post by hypatiab7
An agnostic is someone who doesn't know if a god or gods exist. Some
agnostics lack god belief but are open to the possibility that one or
more may exist. Other agnostics do believe in a god or gods but are
open to the possibility that they could be wrong. They simply don't
know for sure. A gnostic knows. (At least they think they do.) An
agnostic doesn't know.
What you describe sounds like a newborn baby. I don't really consider an
infant an atheist. You have to be able to think to know what you do or don't
believe. An infant is a blank slate waiting to be filled with knowledge.
Whether that knowledge is good or bad is a whole nother story.
They're trivially atheist.
And if they're not taught to be theist, they remain atheist as they
If theists used their supposedly god-given brains, they would realise
that kids grow up believing whichever god their parents teach them.
So eg Hindu children don't grow up believing in the Christian god, and
But more importantly for this discussion, those whose parents and
others close to them don't teach them _their_ god don't grow up
believing in _any_ god. Not just one called "God".
There are three groups of these...
- Those whose parents are members of non-theistic Eastern religions,
who grow up believing the religion but don't believe in any god
because it doesn't have one.
- Children of Western atheists.
- The Paraha people of the remote Brazilian interior whose language
doesn't have the words with which frame and communicate the
Note that none of these teach their children that gods don't exist.
They don't need to, and the kids don't come up with the idea on their
Post by Mack McDonagh
How do you account for the small percentage of adults who becomr religious
without a religious upbringing?
Which has nothing to do with what I wrote, because adults aren't the
same as growing children.
I said "grew up" not "grown up".
Learn to read for comprehension..
But I have known _one_ atheist who went through the motions of
conversion to marry a Catholic. After thirty years of immersion and
raising a Catholic family, he had a genuine baptism. And unlike the
vast majority of claimed "ex-atheists", he understood what it meant to
be atheist from an atheist perspective.
But this is rare - there's just too much of the real world to
Would _you_ start believing in Zeus? Or Odin? Or Santa Claus?