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There is not a single atheist in all of Europe!
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JTEM
2018-04-03 04:13:16 UTC
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If evidence is valid then it's valid even when
it supports conclusions that you don't want to
be true. Sorry, but this is how reality works.


Okay, here's the deal. Prove me wrong. Prove
that there's an atheist -- even one -- in
Europe... BUT only if you yourself accept your
own standard of evidence. Because, if theists
use the exact same kind of evidence and you
say it's not valid, then you are simply another
delusional hypocrite.

So, if you insist that personal claims/testimony
IS indeed valid proof, then you have to accept
it in the case of theists.

No more shifting goalposts/sliding scales, you
must accept your own standards even when it's
theists following them.

Or, again, you're just a delusional hypocrite.




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Yap Honghor
2018-04-03 08:26:24 UTC
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If evidence is valid then it's valid even when
it supports conclusions that you don't want to
be true. Sorry, but this is how reality works.
Okay, here's the deal. Prove me wrong. Prove
that there's an atheist -- even one -- in
Europe... BUT only if you yourself accept your
own standard of evidence. Because, if theists
use the exact same kind of evidence and you
say it's not valid, then you are simply another
delusional hypocrite.
So, if you insist that personal claims/testimony
IS indeed valid proof, then you have to accept
it in the case of theists.
No more shifting goalposts/sliding scales, you
must accept your own standards even when it's
theists following them.
Or, again, you're just a delusional hypocrite.
Why is there a need to fool yourself with some nonsense?
b***@m.nu
2018-04-03 10:08:11 UTC
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If evidence is valid then it's valid even when
it supports conclusions that you don't want to
be true. Sorry, but this is how reality works.
Okay, here's the deal. Prove me wrong. Prove
that there's an atheist -- even one -- in
Europe... BUT only if you yourself accept your
own standard of evidence. Because, if theists
use the exact same kind of evidence and you
say it's not valid, then you are simply another
delusional hypocrite.
So, if you insist that personal claims/testimony
IS indeed valid proof, then you have to accept
it in the case of theists.
No more shifting goalposts/sliding scales, you
must accept your own standards even when it's
theists following them.
Or, again, you're just a delusional hypocrite.
Why is there a need to fool yourself with some nonsense?
I don't think it realizes that most of the population on this earth is
atheist. Nor does it realize that it is mentally ill.
v***@gmail.com
2018-04-03 10:38:07 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2018 01:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Yap Honghor
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If evidence is valid then it's valid even when
it supports conclusions that you don't want to
be true. Sorry, but this is how reality works.
Okay, here's the deal. Prove me wrong. Prove
that there's an atheist -- even one -- in
Europe... BUT only if you yourself accept your
own standard of evidence. Because, if theists
use the exact same kind of evidence and you
say it's not valid, then you are simply another
delusional hypocrite.
So, if you insist that personal claims/testimony
IS indeed valid proof, then you have to accept
it in the case of theists.
No more shifting goalposts/sliding scales, you
must accept your own standards even when it's
theists following them.
Or, again, you're just a delusional hypocrite.
Why is there a need to fool yourself with some nonsense?
I don't think it realizes that most of the population on this earth is
atheist.
BULLSHIT. Here, from Pew Research, is the distribution of world religions:


http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/

Summary of some:
Christians 33%
Moslems 22%
Atheist and unaffiliated is less than 25%
v***@gmail.com
2018-04-03 10:40:35 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2018 01:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Yap Honghor
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If evidence is valid then it's valid even when
it supports conclusions that you don't want to
be true. Sorry, but this is how reality works.
Okay, here's the deal. Prove me wrong. Prove
that there's an atheist -- even one -- in
Europe... BUT only if you yourself accept your
own standard of evidence. Because, if theists
use the exact same kind of evidence and you
say it's not valid, then you are simply another
delusional hypocrite.
So, if you insist that personal claims/testimony
IS indeed valid proof, then you have to accept
it in the case of theists.
No more shifting goalposts/sliding scales, you
must accept your own standards even when it's
theists following them.
Or, again, you're just a delusional hypocrite.
Why is there a need to fool yourself with some nonsense?
I don't think it realizes that most of the population on this earth is
atheist.
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/
Christians 33%
Moslems 22%
Atheist and unaffiliated is less than 20%
Hindus 9%
Jews 0.2%
b***@m.nu
2018-04-03 10:59:28 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2018 01:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Yap Honghor
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Post by JTEM
If evidence is valid then it's valid even when
it supports conclusions that you don't want to
be true. Sorry, but this is how reality works.
Okay, here's the deal. Prove me wrong. Prove
that there's an atheist -- even one -- in
Europe... BUT only if you yourself accept your
own standard of evidence. Because, if theists
use the exact same kind of evidence and you
say it's not valid, then you are simply another
delusional hypocrite.
So, if you insist that personal claims/testimony
IS indeed valid proof, then you have to accept
it in the case of theists.
No more shifting goalposts/sliding scales, you
must accept your own standards even when it's
theists following them.
Or, again, you're just a delusional hypocrite.
Why is there a need to fool yourself with some nonsense?
I don't think it realizes that most of the population on this earth is
atheist.
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/
Christians 33%
Moslems 22%
Atheist and unaffiliated is less than 20%
Hindus 9%
Jews 0.2%
I realize that you are slow extremely stupid and a plain idiot. China
has the largest population on earth. you figure out the rest
v***@gmail.com
2018-04-03 11:35:06 UTC
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Post by JTEM
If evidence is valid then it's valid even when
it supports conclusions that you don't want to
be true. Sorry, but this is how reality works.
Okay, here's the deal. Prove me wrong. Prove
that there's an atheist -- even one -- in
Europe... BUT only if you yourself accept your
own standard of evidence. Because, if theists
use the exact same kind of evidence and you
say it's not valid, then you are simply another
delusional hypocrite.
So, if you insist that personal claims/testimony
IS indeed valid proof, then you have to accept
it in the case of theists.
No more shifting goalposts/sliding scales, you
must accept your own standards even when it's
theists following them.
Or, again, you're just a delusional hypocrite.
Why is there a need to fool yourself with some nonsense?
I don't think it realizes that most of the population on this earth is
atheist.
http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/global-religious-landscape-exec/
Christians 33%
Moslems 22%
Atheist and unaffiliated is less than 20%
Hindus 9%
Jews 0.2%
I realize that you are slow extremely stupid and a plain idiot. China
has the largest population on earth. you figure out the rest
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Kevrob
2018-04-03 11:52:18 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2018 01:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Yap Honghor
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Post by JTEM
If evidence is valid then it's valid even when
it supports conclusions that you don't want to
be true. Sorry, but this is how reality works.
Okay, here's the deal. Prove me wrong. Prove
that there's an atheist -- even one -- in
Europe... BUT only if you yourself accept your
own standard of evidence. Because, if theists
use the exact same kind of evidence and you
say it's not valid, then you are simply another
delusional hypocrite.
So, if you insist that personal claims/testimony
IS indeed valid proof, then you have to accept
it in the case of theists.
No more shifting goalposts/sliding scales, you
must accept your own standards even when it's
theists following them.
Or, again, you're just a delusional hypocrite.
Why is there a need to fool yourself with some nonsense?
I don't think it realizes that most of the population on this earth is
atheist. Nor does it realize that it is mentally ill.
McGuinness is a troll. His mind cant be changed by
logical argument.

Not believing in a ghod is ordinary, not extraordinary
behavior, if, in many cultures, a minority one. In Europe
that could be as common as 20% of the population, with an
admitted "atheist floor" of 7%.*

[quote]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism#Europe

referring to:


http://ec.europa.eu/commfrontoffice/publicopinion/archives/ebs/ebs_393_en.pdf

or

https://web.archive.org/web/20121202023700/http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_393_en.pdf p 234

Not being an extraordinary claim, there's no need for extraordinary
evidence. Self-reporting gets one close to reality. In some places,
such reporting had better be anonymous and untraceable, or the admitted
atheists will be at risk of their lives. The same has been the case
for religious folks in the days of communist dictatorships, or for
non-members of a dominant religion in states where dominant groups
of believers kill or otherwise persecute adherents of rival faiths.

Proving what religious folks believe about ghod or ghodz is what
requires extraordinary evidence, and what personal testimony is
insufficient to support.

This last is what Johnny Mac deliberately and dishonesty confuses.

One might as well say that the 3-4% of the US population that is gay
can't really be said to be, as self-reporting is unreliable. Johnny
"just hasn't met the right woman." Nonsense.

If folks in a free society say they believe, I accept that. Now, they
may know piss-all about religion, never learned the doctrines of their
professed faiths, or otherwise be barely religious, but if they claim
to have some sort of faith in even the vaguest of deities, count them
as at least marginal theists.

Now, why does McGuinness obsess about this crap? He probably doesn't,
and just enjoys winding people up, like most trolls. Pee Scent uses
the same schtick, with his e e cummings keyboard.

Same troll? They both think a lot of themselves.

Kevin R


Kevin R
JTEM
2018-04-04 04:15:45 UTC
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Again, all you have to do is "Prove" that
there is so much as a single atheist in
all of Europe, using a standard of "Proof"
that you yourself accept... even when it's
people you don't like adhering to it.

Thus, if the personal claims/testimony of
people saying that they are atheists is
"Proof," you must accept the personal claims
/testimony of theists as "Proof" of whatever
they are arguing.

Your emotional meltdown, instead of meeting
this challenge, speaks volumes...






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2018-04-04 04:58:10 UTC
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Again, all you have to do is "Prove" that
there is so much as a single atheist in
all of Europe, using a standard of "Proof"
that you yourself accept... even when it's
people you don't like adhering to it.
Thus, if the personal claims/testimony of
people saying that they are atheists is
"Proof," you must accept the personal claims
/testimony of theists as "Proof" of whatever
they are arguing.
Your emotional meltdown, instead of meeting
this challenge, speaks volumes...
My Russian teacher, who lives in Finland, is an atheist.
He tutors me over the internet. His name is Eugene Holman.
b***@m.nu
2018-04-04 11:31:45 UTC
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Again, all you have to do is
Again you are showing your stupidity and ignorance and you pathetic
attempt to garner attention for anyone because you are such a pitiful
and lonely thing.
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2018-04-04 11:43:16 UTC
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Again, all you have to do is
Again you are showing your stupidity and ignorance and you pathetic
attempt to garner attention for anyone because you are such a pitiful
and lonely thing.
Nobody would want attention from you.
JTEM
2018-04-09 03:42:52 UTC
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Again you are showing your stupidity and ignorance and you
It's simple, albeit not to the likes of you:

IF you think personal claims/testimony constitutes
incontrovertible (i.e. "Proof") for the existence
of atheists, then you have to accept that same
incontrovertible evidence (i.e. "Proof") when it
comes from theists speaking of their experiences
with the divine.

Or you're just a stupid hypocrite.




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Kevrob
2018-04-09 04:42:41 UTC
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Again you are showing your stupidity and ignorance and you
IF you think personal claims/testimony constitutes
incontrovertible (i.e. "Proof") for the existence
of atheists, then you have to accept that same
incontrovertible evidence (i.e. "Proof") when it
comes from theists speaking of their experiences
with the divine.
You repeat yourself.

Very well, so shall I.

{quote}

McGuinness is a troll. His mind can't be changed by
logical argument.

Not believing in a ghod is ordinary, not extraordinary
behavior, if, in many cultures, a minority one. In Europe
that could be as common as 20% of the population, with an
admitted "atheist floor" of 7%.*

[quote]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism#Europe

referring to:


http://ec.europa.eu/commfrontoffice/publicopinion/archives/ebs/ebs_393_en.pdf

or

https://web.archive.org/web/20121202023700/http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_393_en.pdf p 234

Not being an extraordinary claim, there's no need for extraordinary
evidence. Self-reporting gets one close to reality. In some places,
such reporting had better be anonymous and untraceable, or the admitted
atheists will be at risk of their lives. The same has been the case
for religious folks in the days of communist dictatorships, or for
non-members of a dominant religion in states where dominant groups
of believers kill or otherwise persecute adherents of rival faiths.

Proving what religious folks believe about ghod or ghodz is what
requires extraordinary evidence, and what personal testimony is
insufficient to support.

This last is what Johnny Mac deliberately and dishonesty confuses.

One might as well say that the 3-4% of the US population that is gay
can't really be said to be, as self-reporting is unreliable. Johnny
"just hasn't met the right woman." Nonsense.

If folks in a free society say they believe, I accept that. Now, they
may know piss-all about religion, never learned the doctrines of their
professed faiths, or otherwise be barely religious, but if they claim
to have some sort of faith in even the vaguest of deities, count them
as at least marginal theists.

Now, why does McGuinness obsess about this crap? He probably doesn't,
and just enjoys winding people up, like most trolls. Pee Scent uses
the same schtick, with his e e cummings keyboard.

Same troll? They both think a lot of themselves.

{/quote} - Me, upthread, 3 April, 2018

Message-ID: <b8a4a8a4-e8b8-4bc9-8c52-***@googlegroups.com>

McGuiness never deals with the "personal testimony about ordinary,
natural events" v "personal testimony about supernatural happenings"
dichotomy.

As the Pythons would have said, "that's not argument,
it's just contradiction."

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagan_standard

Kevin R
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2018-04-09 13:20:51 UTC
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Again you are showing your stupidity and ignorance and you
IF you think personal claims/testimony constitutes
You are so fucking lame dude... I think you ought to change your email
again so that you are not on peoples ignore list. Do you realize how
stupid and desperate you are?

StanFast
2018-04-03 16:45:18 UTC
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If evidence is valid then it's valid even when
it supports conclusions that you don't want to
be true. Sorry, but this is how reality works.
Okay, here's the deal. Prove me wrong. Prove
that there's an atheist -- even one -- in
Europe... BUT only if you yourself accept your
own standard of evidence. Because, if theists
use the exact same kind of evidence and you
say it's not valid, then you are simply another
delusional hypocrite.
So, if you insist that personal claims/testimony
IS indeed valid proof, then you have to accept
it in the case of theists.
No more shifting goalposts/sliding scales, you
must accept your own standards even when it's
theists following them.
Or, again, you're just a delusional hypocrite.
Why is there a need to fool yourself with some nonsense?
I don't think it realizes that most of the population on this earth is
atheist. Nor does it realize that it is mentally ill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

According to sociologist Phil Zuckerman, broad estimates of those who have an absence of belief in a deity range from 500 to 750 million people worldwide.[1] Other estimates state that there are 200 million to 240 million self-identified atheists worldwide, with China and Russia being major contributors to those figures.[3] According to sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera's review of numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnostics worldwide (7% of the world's population), with China having the most atheists in the world (200 million convinced atheists).[5]

Of the global atheist and non-religious population, 76% reside in Asia and the Pacific, while the remainder reside in Europe (12%), North America (5%), Latin America and the Caribbean (4%), sub-Saharan Africa (2%) and the Middle East and North Africa (less than 1%).[6] The prevalence of atheism in Africa and South America typically falls below 10%.[7] According to the Pew Research Center's 2012 global study of 230 countries and territories, 16% of the world's population is not affiliated with a religion, while 84% are affiliated.[8] Furthermore, the global study noted that many of the unaffiliated, which include atheists and agnostics, still have various religious beliefs and practices.
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2018-04-03 16:49:43 UTC
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If evidence is valid then it's valid even when
it supports conclusions that you don't want to
be true. Sorry, but this is how reality works.
Okay, here's the deal. Prove me wrong. Prove
that there's an atheist -- even one -- in
Europe... BUT only if you yourself accept your
own standard of evidence. Because, if theists
use the exact same kind of evidence and you
say it's not valid, then you are simply another
delusional hypocrite.
So, if you insist that personal claims/testimony
IS indeed valid proof, then you have to accept
it in the case of theists.
No more shifting goalposts/sliding scales, you
must accept your own standards even when it's
theists following them.
Or, again, you're just a delusional hypocrite.
Why is there a need to fool yourself with some nonsense?
I don't think it realizes that most of the population on this earth is
atheist. Nor does it realize that it is mentally ill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism
According to sociologist Phil Zuckerman, broad estimates of those who have an absence of belief in a deity range from 500 to 750 million people worldwide.[1] Other estimates state that there are 200 million to 240 million self-identified atheists worldwide, with China and Russia being major contributors to those figures.[3] According to sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera's review of numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnostics worldwide (7% of the world's population), with China having the most atheists in the world (200 million convinced atheists).[5]
Poor phil is an idiot or your data is out of date. Theists are fucking
stupid
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Of the global atheist and non-religious population, 76% reside in Asia and the Pacific, while the remainder reside in Europe (12%), North America (5%), Latin America and the Caribbean (4%), sub-Saharan Africa (2%) and the Middle East and North Africa (less than 1%).[6] The prevalence of atheism in Africa and South America typically falls below 10%.[7] According to the Pew Research Center's 2012 global study of 230 countries and territories, 16% of the world's population is not affiliated with a religion, while 84% are affiliated.[8] Furthermore, the global study noted that many of the unaffiliated, which include atheists and agnostics, still have various religious beliefs and practices.
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2018-04-03 16:53:05 UTC
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If evidence is valid then it's valid even when
it supports conclusions that you don't want to
be true. Sorry, but this is how reality works.
Okay, here's the deal. Prove me wrong. Prove
that there's an atheist -- even one -- in
Europe... BUT only if you yourself accept your
own standard of evidence. Because, if theists
use the exact same kind of evidence and you
say it's not valid, then you are simply another
delusional hypocrite.
So, if you insist that personal claims/testimony
IS indeed valid proof, then you have to accept
it in the case of theists.
No more shifting goalposts/sliding scales, you
must accept your own standards even when it's
theists following them.
Or, again, you're just a delusional hypocrite.
Why is there a need to fool yourself with some nonsense?
I don't think it realizes that most of the population on this earth is
atheist. Nor does it realize that it is mentally ill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism
According to sociologist Phil Zuckerman, broad estimates of those who have an absence of belief in a deity range from
Poor phil is an idiot or your data is out of date.
denial.
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2018-04-03 16:56:17 UTC
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Poor phil is an idiot ... Theists are fucking
stupid
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2018-04-04 04:13:15 UTC
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I don't think
No. No you don't.





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2018-04-04 04:26:40 UTC
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I don't think
No. No you don't.
How did that old gospel song go?

AAAMEN, AAMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN
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2018-04-05 02:27:31 UTC
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I don't think
No. No you don't.
How did that old gospel song go?
AAAMEN, AAMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN
Mad Joe, are you in pain?
If not, why are you crying so loud?
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I don't think
No. No you don't.
How did that old gospel song go?
AAAMEN, AAMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN
Mad Joe, are you in pain?
If not, why are you crying so loud?
joe is like a freakin retarded monkey. a retarded may actually heaved
a higher IQ though
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