On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 6:08:16 AM UTC-4, ***@m.nu wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2018 01:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Yap Honghor
> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 12:13:20 PM UTC+8, JTEM wrote:
> >> If evidence is valid then it's valid even when
> >> it supports conclusions that you don't want to
> >> be true. Sorry, but this is how reality works.
> >> Okay, here's the deal. Prove me wrong. Prove
> >> that there's an atheist -- even one -- in
> >> Europe... BUT only if you yourself accept your
> >> own standard of evidence. Because, if theists
> >> use the exact same kind of evidence and you
> >> say it's not valid, then you are simply another
> >> delusional hypocrite.
> >> So, if you insist that personal claims/testimony
> >> IS indeed valid proof, then you have to accept
> >> it in the case of theists.
> >> No more shifting goalposts/sliding scales, you
> >> must accept your own standards even when it's
> >> theists following them.
> >> Or, again, you're just a delusional hypocrite.
> >Why is there a need to fool yourself with some nonsense?
> I don't think it realizes that most of the population on this earth is
> atheist. Nor does it realize that it is mentally ill.
McGuinness is a troll. His mind cant be changed by
Not believing in a ghod is ordinary, not extraordinary
behavior, if, in many cultures, a minority one. In Europe
that could be as common as 20% of the population, with an
admitted "atheist floor" of 7%.*
https://web.archive.org/web/20121202023700/http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_393_en.pdf p 234
Not being an extraordinary claim, there's no need for extraordinary
evidence. Self-reporting gets one close to reality. In some places,
such reporting had better be anonymous and untraceable, or the admitted
atheists will be at risk of their lives. The same has been the case
for religious folks in the days of communist dictatorships, or for
non-members of a dominant religion in states where dominant groups
of believers kill or otherwise persecute adherents of rival faiths.
Proving what religious folks believe about ghod or ghodz is what
requires extraordinary evidence, and what personal testimony is
insufficient to support.
This last is what Johnny Mac deliberately and dishonesty confuses.
One might as well say that the 3-4% of the US population that is gay
can't really be said to be, as self-reporting is unreliable. Johnny
"just hasn't met the right woman." Nonsense.
If folks in a free society say they believe, I accept that. Now, they
may know piss-all about religion, never learned the doctrines of their
professed faiths, or otherwise be barely religious, but if they claim
to have some sort of faith in even the vaguest of deities, count them
as at least marginal theists.
Now, why does McGuinness obsess about this crap? He probably doesn't,
and just enjoys winding people up, like most trolls. Pee Scent uses
the same schtick, with his e e cummings keyboard.
Same troll? They both think a lot of themselves.