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Atheists Have No Morals Because They Don't Fear Divine Retrubution From A Vengeful God
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Mr. Unagi
2017-04-14 13:17:37 UTC
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Ned Latham
2017-04-14 15:23:48 UTC
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action.
So the stories go.
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Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
It'll probably come as a surprise to you, delusional dimwit that you
are, but the fact that a lie is popular doesn't make it a truth.

Try to rise above the fairy tales you were told as a child:

There is no such thing as a god.
Kevrob
2017-04-14 16:00:16 UTC
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action.
So the stories go.
Post by Mr. Unagi
Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
It'll probably come as a surprise to you, delusional dimwit that you
are, but the fact that a lie is popular doesn't make it a truth.
There is no such thing as a god.
Who is morally superior:

The person who acts morally because it is part of the well-lived life?
(Eudaimonia)

Or the person who follows "moral" rules out of fear of punishment?

BTW, what about all those stories of the ghodz acting like
murderous, raping, thieving, lying bastards?

Kevin R
Kurt Nicklas
2017-04-19 15:31:44 UTC
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action.
So the stories go.
Post by Mr. Unagi
Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
It'll probably come as a surprise to you, delusional dimwit that you
are, but the fact that a lie is popular doesn't make it a truth.
There is no such thing as a god.
The person who acts morally because it is part of the well-lived life?
(Eudaimonia)
What is moral? "Well-lived"? By what standard? Circular reasoning by any standard.
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Or the person who follows "moral" rules out of fear of punishment?
BTW, what about all those stories of the ghodz acting like
murderous, raping, thieving, lying bastards?
Kevin R
Kevrob
2017-04-20 13:01:08 UTC
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action.
So the stories go.
Post by Mr. Unagi
Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
It'll probably come as a surprise to you, delusional dimwit that you
are, but the fact that a lie is popular doesn't make it a truth.
There is no such thing as a god.
The person who acts morally because it is part of the well-lived life?
(Eudaimonia)
What is moral? "Well-lived"? By what standard? Circular reasoning by any standard.
We can disagree about standards. The point is that they can be
derived by studying human history and experience, biology, psychology,
etc using human reason. The brute force of "do what I say or you'll
fry," with the "I" in that sentence, almost certainly some person or
group of persons, swapped out for some myth figure(s) to give it
authority is inferior to the rational approach.
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Or the person who follows "moral" rules out of fear of punishment?
BTW, what about all those stories of the ghodz acting like
murderous, raping, thieving, lying bastards?
No answer to the rebuttal point, I see.

Kevin R
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2017-04-14 18:01:00 UTC
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.

If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.

The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.

If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
Kevrob
2017-04-14 18:18:10 UTC
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the harm, yes.
Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others. Sometimes people
get harmed when those they are aggressing against defend themselves.
But the core of it is discernible. Don't pick fights. Try to resolve
your disputes peacefully. Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect
others to respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement
in your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your word,
especially when reneging on it will burden someone else. You are under
no obligation to sacrifice yourself for others, but extending the
benevolent hand of mutual aid to an acquaintance who could use it
builds networks of trust that are often repaid in kind. Don't assume
the other guy is out to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either.
Neither Emperor nor slave is a proper status for any human being.

A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the ghods,
and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its human vicar -
is the highest good. Fie on that. Non serviam!

Kevin R
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2017-04-15 00:26:28 UTC
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the harm, yes.
Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others. Sometimes people
get harmed when those they are aggressing against defend themselves.
But the core of it is discernible. Don't pick fights. Try to resolve
your disputes peacefully. Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect
others to respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement
in your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your word,
especially when reneging on it will burden someone else. You are under
no obligation to sacrifice yourself for others, but extending the
benevolent hand of mutual aid to an acquaintance who could use it
builds networks of trust that are often repaid in kind. Don't assume
the other guy is out to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either.
Neither Emperor nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the ghods,
and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its human vicar -
is the highest good. Fie on that. Non serviam!
Kevin R
What're you a lawyer? It is as simple as not harming others.
Accidents will happen. (that's why they are called accidents instead
of deliberates)

The hows and whys don't matter, this isn't something for lawyers; it
is how we behave towards other animals, the environment, other people,
etc..

But there's no need to spell it out and make a rule book, most of us
understand right and wrong.
Kevrob
2017-04-15 01:03:17 UTC
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the harm, yes.
Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others. Sometimes people
get harmed when those they are aggressing against defend themselves.
But the core of it is discernible. Don't pick fights. Try to resolve
your disputes peacefully. Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect
others to respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement
in your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your word,
especially when reneging on it will burden someone else. You are under
no obligation to sacrifice yourself for others, but extending the
benevolent hand of mutual aid to an acquaintance who could use it
builds networks of trust that are often repaid in kind. Don't assume
the other guy is out to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either.
Neither Emperor nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the ghods,
and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its human vicar -
is the highest good. Fie on that. Non serviam!
Kevin R
What're you a lawyer?
Never even took the LSAT. I ran out of money for higher
book-larnin' else I may have gone down that path.
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It is as simple as not harming others.
Accidents will happen. (that's why they are called accidents instead
of deliberates)
Intent is important to your moral self-worth. "Gee, neighbor,
I didn't mean for my turkey deep-fryer to light your hedge onh
fire, and I sure a sorry your house burned down...."

But things like negligence are real. Bubba better enjoy that
drumstick and hope he has _real_ good insurance. Arson's
worse, but sometimes people are responsible for their accidents.

I do think one of the most important moral rules, which many
of our religious friends (and secular statists, too) is
"live and let live."

Kevin R

After we get "In God We Trust" off the money, what should
take its place? I like "Mind Your Business" and "Count
Your Change."
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The hows and whys don't matter, this isn't something for lawyers; it
is how we behave towards other animals, the environment, other people,
etc..
But there's no need to spell it out and make a rule book, most of us
understand right and wrong.
Kevrob
2017-04-15 01:05:48 UTC
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I do think one of the most important moral rules, which many
of our religious friends (and secular statists, too)
omitted: "can't wrap their heads around."
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is "live and let live."
Kevin R
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2017-04-15 15:56:42 UTC
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the harm, yes.
Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others. Sometimes people
get harmed when those they are aggressing against defend themselves.
But the core of it is discernible. Don't pick fights. Try to resolve
your disputes peacefully. Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect
others to respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement
in your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your word,
especially when reneging on it will burden someone else. You are under
no obligation to sacrifice yourself for others, but extending the
benevolent hand of mutual aid to an acquaintance who could use it
builds networks of trust that are often repaid in kind. Don't assume
the other guy is out to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either.
Neither Emperor nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the ghods,
and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its human vicar -
is the highest good. Fie on that. Non serviam!
Kevin R
What're you a lawyer?
Never even took the LSAT. I ran out of money for higher
book-larnin' else I may have gone down that path.
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It is as simple as not harming others.
Accidents will happen. (that's why they are called accidents instead
of deliberates)
Intent is important to your moral self-worth. "Gee, neighbor,
I didn't mean for my turkey deep-fryer to light your hedge onh
fire, and I sure a sorry your house burned down...."
But things like negligence are real. Bubba better enjoy that
drumstick and hope he has _real_ good insurance. Arson's
worse, but sometimes people are responsible for their accidents.
I do think one of the most important moral rules, which many
of our religious friends (and secular statists, too) is
"live and let live."
Kevin R
After we get "In God We Trust" off the money, what should
take its place? I like "Mind Your Business" and "Count
Your Change."
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The hows and whys don't matter, this isn't something for lawyers; it
is how we behave towards other animals, the environment, other people,
etc..
But there's no need to spell it out and make a rule book, most of us
understand right and wrong.
I like the idea of "tie your camel". It doesn't matter who one trusts, it
is always your own responsibility to look out for your self. Accidents do
not remove responsibility.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity

Alex W.
2017-04-15 04:30:13 UTC
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the harm, yes.
Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others. Sometimes people
get harmed when those they are aggressing against defend themselves.
But the core of it is discernible. Don't pick fights. Try to resolve
your disputes peacefully. Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect
others to respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement
in your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your word,
especially when reneging on it will burden someone else. You are under
no obligation to sacrifice yourself for others, but extending the
benevolent hand of mutual aid to an acquaintance who could use it
builds networks of trust that are often repaid in kind. Don't assume
the other guy is out to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either.
Neither Emperor nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the ghods,
and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its human vicar -
is the highest good. Fie on that. Non serviam!
Kevin R
What're you a lawyer? It is as simple as not harming others.
Accidents will happen. (that's why they are called accidents instead
of deliberates)
That's not nearly as simple as you think.

What if I have to cause harm to one in order to help another?

More importantly, "harm" works in two ways: either by action or by
failure to act. Where do we draw the line on that?

Most importantly, though, is that in our day and age we take security
and reliability for granted. When accidents happen, our first reaction
may be shock, but our second thought almost invariably is to ask "who's
to blame?" When a car comes off the road, killing the driver, we hardly
stop to grieve before casting the blame at the tyre manufacturer, the
car maker, the local council, anyone we can possibly think of -- because
in our oh so safe world, it is presumed that accidents do not just happen.
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The hows and whys don't matter, this isn't something for lawyers; it
is how we behave towards other animals, the environment, other people,
etc..
But there's no need to spell it out and make a rule book, most of us
understand right and wrong.
Most of us may understand right and wrong; that does not mean most of us
act on this understanding.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the harm, yes.
Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others. Sometimes people
get harmed when those they are aggressing against defend themselves.
But the core of it is discernible. Don't pick fights. Try to resolve
your disputes peacefully. Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect
others to respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement
in your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your word,
especially when reneging on it will burden someone else. You are under
no obligation to sacrifice yourself for others, but extending the
benevolent hand of mutual aid to an acquaintance who could use it
builds networks of trust that are often repaid in kind. Don't assume
the other guy is out to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either.
Neither Emperor nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the ghods,
and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its human vicar -
is the highest good. Fie on that. Non serviam!
Kevin R
What're you a lawyer? It is as simple as not harming others.
Accidents will happen. (that's why they are called accidents instead
of deliberates)
That's not nearly as simple as you think.
What if I have to cause harm to one in order to help another?
More importantly, "harm" works in two ways: either by action or by
failure to act. Where do we draw the line on that?
Are you saying that You Do need a rule book, to know right from wrong?
Failure to act to prevent harm is immoral, now you want to argue
mitigating circumstances? If acting puts you in grave danger it is
moral to protect yourself. But this isn't about trying to make a case
in court for what is or isn't moral, courts are not concerned with
morality.

The only test for morality is "does it hurt others." Suicide,
Euthanasia, Drug/Alcohol abuse, Masturbation, Homosexuality, etc., are
not matters of morality - unless you kill someone and call it
euthanasia, but aiding someone to kill themselves is not immoral.
Post by Alex W.
Most importantly, though, is that in our day and age we take security
and reliability for granted. When accidents happen, our first reaction
may be shock, but our second thought almost invariably is to ask "who's
to blame?" When a car comes off the road, killing the driver, we hardly
stop to grieve before casting the blame at the tyre manufacturer, the
car maker, the local council, anyone we can possibly think of -- because
in our oh so safe world, it is presumed that accidents do not just happen.
Well, in our not so safe world, too often corporations act immorally
in the name of profit or just negligent stupidity, and that is a
matter for lawyers and courts to decide, but they decide the legality
not the morality.

The pity is we don't punish the people making the bad decisions, they
hide behind their corporations, are over-paid, empowered, rewarded,
and encouraged to do it all again. When your drug, oil field, etc.,
is pulling in a billion a year, there's every reason to chalk up a few
measly million dollar settlements to the cost of doing business.

It makes perfect business sense, but it is immoral behavior on the
part of someone or people in the organization. Fining the corporation
is not going to deter the behavior unless you can (and are willing to)
fine them out of existence - otherwise it is just a business expense.

But (again) that has little to do with knowing what is or isn't
moral.... It is just one of my pet peeves.
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The hows and whys don't matter, this isn't something for lawyers; it
is how we behave towards other animals, the environment, other people,
etc..
But there's no need to spell it out and make a rule book, most of us
understand right and wrong.
Most of us may understand right and wrong; that does not mean most of us
act on this understanding.
Of course. I agree. My only point was that most of us understand
morality we don't need a religion telling us that they alone know
morality - because they often have no idea of the difference between
my morality and their dogma.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the harm, yes.
Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others. Sometimes people
get harmed when those they are aggressing against defend themselves.
But the core of it is discernible. Don't pick fights. Try to resolve
your disputes peacefully. Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect
others to respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement
in your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your word,
especially when reneging on it will burden someone else. You are under
no obligation to sacrifice yourself for others, but extending the
benevolent hand of mutual aid to an acquaintance who could use it
builds networks of trust that are often repaid in kind. Don't assume
the other guy is out to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either.
Neither Emperor nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
You don't have to worry about any of these things if you can follow the
love of Jesus Christ. The love of Jesus will guide you through life
without you worrying about life.
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A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the ghods,
and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its human vicar -
is the highest good. Fie on that. Non serviam!
When it complies with the love of Jesus within you, why do you object?
When it contradicts with the love of Jesus, why must you obey?
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the harm, yes.
Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others. Sometimes people
get harmed when those they are aggressing against defend themselves.
But the core of it is discernible. Don't pick fights. Try to resolve
your disputes peacefully. Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect
others to respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement
in your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your word,
especially when reneging on it will burden someone else. You are under
no obligation to sacrifice yourself for others, but extending the
benevolent hand of mutual aid to an acquaintance who could use it
builds networks of trust that are often repaid in kind. Don't assume
the other guy is out to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either.
Neither Emperor nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
You don't have to worry about any of these things if you can follow the
love of Jesus Christ. The love of Jesus will guide you through life
without you worrying about life.
I have nothing against any of the philosophy attributed to Christ, my
gripe is that people don't follow Christ they follow religious
institutions who don't necessarily follow Christ.

The hippies of the 60's came closest to following Christ and many of
them actually did: give to the less fortunate, love everyone, don't
get hung up on wealth, live simply, be tolerant, etc..

We called them; dirty, pinko, commie, fags and derided their attempts
to choose a better life for themselves - then smugly went back to our
churches and temples and mosques and told ourselves how they were
immoral and un Christian and how we were so much better than that.
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A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the ghods,
and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its human vicar -
is the highest good. Fie on that. Non serviam!
When it complies with the love of Jesus within you, why do you object?
When it contradicts with the love of Jesus, why must you obey?
Religion is not about god or Jesus. Why must I obey your god?
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a
group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing
their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them
what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and
compassion the things necessary for moral behavior; and don't
need some imaginary god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy
and compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the harm,
yes. Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others. Sometimes
people get harmed when those they are aggressing against defend
themselves. But the core of it is discernible. Don't pick
fights. Try to resolve your disputes peacefully. Don't rob or
steal, especially if you expect others to respect your person and
property. Use voluntary agreement in your interactions with
others. Do your best to keep your word, especially when reneging
on it will burden someone else. You are under no obligation to
sacrifice yourself for others, but extending the benevolent hand
of mutual aid to an acquaintance who could use it builds networks
of trust that are often repaid in kind. Don't assume the other
guy is out to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either. Neither
Emperor nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
You don't have to worry about any of these things if you can follow
the love of Jesus Christ. The love of Jesus will guide you through
life without you worrying about life.
I have nothing against any of the philosophy attributed to Christ,
my gripe is that people don't follow Christ they follow religious
institutions who don't necessarily follow Christ.
That's obviously a mistake. I don't have love for religions. They all
have lost the way in my personal opinion. However, the people of
religion are a different issue. I will never question a believer's faith
as I don't allow anyone else to question my faith either. So, even
though religion is always wrong, believers are never wrong because they
have God to rule their lives personally.
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The hippies of the 60's came closest to following Christ and many of
them actually did: give to the less fortunate, love everyone, don't
get hung up on wealth, live simply, be tolerant, etc..
We called them; dirty, pinko, commie, fags and derided their
attempts to choose a better life for themselves - then smugly went
back to our churches and temples and mosques and told ourselves how
they were immoral and un Christian and how we were so much better
than that.
Life is always complicated. There is no definitive way to be God's way
in living life. As humans, we all can make mistakes even when we think
we are following Christ. In my opinion, the hippie life style can be
very worry free, but life is not just about having no worries. Life is
also about hard work to be a useful member of the family and the
society. There is nothing wrong to make money so life can be better.
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Post by Kevrob
A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the ghods,
and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its human vicar
- is the highest good. Fie on that. Non serviam!
When it complies with the love of Jesus within you, why do you
object? When it contradicts with the love of Jesus, why must you
obey?
Religion is not about god or Jesus. Why must I obey your god?
You can't obey "my" God. You can only obey your own God who is in your
own heart.
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a
group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing
their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them
what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and
compassion the things necessary for moral behavior; and don't
need some imaginary god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy
and compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the harm,
yes. Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others. Sometimes
people get harmed when those they are aggressing against defend
themselves. But the core of it is discernible. Don't pick
fights. Try to resolve your disputes peacefully. Don't rob or
steal, especially if you expect others to respect your person and
property. Use voluntary agreement in your interactions with
others. Do your best to keep your word, especially when reneging
on it will burden someone else. You are under no obligation to
sacrifice yourself for others, but extending the benevolent hand
of mutual aid to an acquaintance who could use it builds networks
of trust that are often repaid in kind. Don't assume the other
guy is out to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either. Neither
Emperor nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
You don't have to worry about any of these things if you can follow
the love of Jesus Christ. The love of Jesus will guide you through
life without you worrying about life.
I have nothing against any of the philosophy attributed to Christ,
my gripe is that people don't follow Christ they follow religious
institutions who don't necessarily follow Christ.
That's obviously a mistake. I don't have love for religions. They all
have lost the way in my personal opinion. However, the people of
religion are a different issue. I will never question a believer's faith
as I don't allow anyone else to question my faith either. So, even
though religion is always wrong, believers are never wrong because they
have God to rule their lives personally.
Well, obviously, I don't buy into that. But then I ask myself why you
find it necessary (or rewarding) to post to alt.atheism. I'd dare
say most of us have been exposed to religion and only identify as
"atheists" because we are vocally opposed to religion and what it does
to folks. So my question becomes: what do you hope to achieve by
posting here?
Post by aaa
Post by default
The hippies of the 60's came closest to following Christ and many of
them actually did: give to the less fortunate, love everyone, don't
get hung up on wealth, live simply, be tolerant, etc..
We called them; dirty, pinko, commie, fags and derided their
attempts to choose a better life for themselves - then smugly went
back to our churches and temples and mosques and told ourselves how
they were immoral and un Christian and how we were so much better
than that.
Life is always complicated. There is no definitive way to be God's way
in living life. As humans, we all can make mistakes even when we think
we are following Christ. In my opinion, the hippie life style can be
very worry free, but life is not just about having no worries. Life is
also about hard work to be a useful member of the family and the
society. There is nothing wrong to make money so life can be better.
There is something wrong when your love of money spurs you to justify
making money.

Work has to be hard? I am very lazy, by my standards. When I "work"
it is because I'm involved in some design challenge or problem solving
etc.. When I work for someone else that is still my motivation, I go
for the highest salary that will allow me to do what they/I want, so I
can spend a maximum amount of time doing what I want.

I want to be happy, and I am. Money accumulates, but that's just
because I don't need to spend money to be happy. When I was working
(before I figured things out) I had a lot of nice toys but no time to
play. Now I have a lot of time to play and still have more than
enough toys to play with. True I can't afford to drop $150 for fuel
to take my sport-fisherman out, can't even maintain it, but then I can
find enough challenges with a kayak to stay fit and happy. My other
passions, cooking, tinkering, gardening, woodworking, electronics,
etc. cost next nothing to indulge. My wife and I have adapted to each
others needs - I don't "work to make my marriage work."

Another epiphany from being a motorcycle bum: "you don't possess
things, they posses you." If you have too much stuff you can easily
get into a rut where your focus is in hanging on and adding to the
stuff. Better you have nothing - then everything is yours - you have
no personal need to hang on to things and that is a freedom most
people never find in life.

I was only going to go to Key West, for an adventure, but it was so
much fun I decided it could be a nice lifestyle.

Motorcycle, tent, sleeping bag are all I needed. When the bike seized
a piston and ate the engine, I left it in Casper Wyoming to get
repaired and bought a junker pick-up and went to Yellowstone Park and
worked as a cook. Then wandered around until it started getting cold
and went to San Diego to work, bought a new bike and took off again.

I might think I'm the luckiest person alive, but I've come across a
few other people that have figured it out too.
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A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the ghods,
and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its human vicar
- is the highest good. Fie on that. Non serviam!
When it complies with the love of Jesus within you, why do you
object? When it contradicts with the love of Jesus, why must you
obey?
Religion is not about god or Jesus. Why must I obey your god?
You can't obey "my" God. You can only obey your own God who is in your
own heart.
Well then stop calling it god, and drop all the "obey" stuff, because
I don't obey. While you are at it, drop the Jesus stuff too, Jesus
didn't come up with anything that Greek and Roman philosophers hadn't
already written down 300 years before he came along. The ten
commandments were carved in stone hundreds of years before Moses was
supposed to have lived.

It's all good philosophy, no argument there, but it isn't the work of
gods, it is older than the oldest recorded monotheistic god.

AGAIN: what do you get out of posting to an atheist group?
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a
person, a group of people, or everyone by a deity in
response to some action. Many cultures have a story about
how a deity exacted punishment on previous inhabitants of
their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell
them what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy
and compassion the things necessary for moral behavior; and
don't need some imaginary god to tell them what they
already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need
empathy and compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally,
That's morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the
harm, yes. Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others.
Sometimes people get harmed when those they are aggressing
against defend themselves. But the core of it is discernible.
Don't pick fights. Try to resolve your disputes peacefully.
Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect others to
respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement in
your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your
word, especially when reneging on it will burden someone
else. You are under no obligation to sacrifice yourself for
others, but extending the benevolent hand of mutual aid to an
acquaintance who could use it builds networks of trust that
are often repaid in kind. Don't assume the other guy is out
to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either. Neither Emperor
nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
You don't have to worry about any of these things if you can
follow the love of Jesus Christ. The love of Jesus will guide
you through life without you worrying about life.
I have nothing against any of the philosophy attributed to
Christ, my gripe is that people don't follow Christ they follow
religious institutions who don't necessarily follow Christ.
That's obviously a mistake. I don't have love for religions. They
all have lost the way in my personal opinion. However, the people
of religion are a different issue. I will never question a
believer's faith as I don't allow anyone else to question my faith
either. So, even though religion is always wrong, believers are
never wrong because they have God to rule their lives personally.
Well, obviously, I don't buy into that. But then I ask myself why
you find it necessary (or rewarding) to post to alt.atheism. I'd
dare say most of us have been exposed to religion and only identify
as "atheists" because we are vocally opposed to religion and what it
does to folks. So my question becomes: what do you hope to achieve
by posting here?
I'm trying to show that God does not have to do with religion which is a
human organization. The God belief is an inherent human belief that is
in existence simply by being human. Everyone including people who call
themselves atheists has a god or God belief regardless whether one can
realize it or not. God is the God of life. Anyone who has a life has a
God to believe in one's life. One does not need religion to believe in God.
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The hippies of the 60's came closest to following Christ and many
of them actually did: give to the less fortunate, love everyone,
don't get hung up on wealth, live simply, be tolerant, etc..
We called them; dirty, pinko, commie, fags and derided their
attempts to choose a better life for themselves - then smugly
went back to our churches and temples and mosques and told
ourselves how they were immoral and un Christian and how we were
so much better than that.
Life is always complicated. There is no definitive way to be God's
way in living life. As humans, we all can make mistakes even when
we think we are following Christ. In my opinion, the hippie life
style can be very worry free, but life is not just about having no
worries. Life is also about hard work to be a useful member of the
family and the society. There is nothing wrong to make money so
life can be better.
There is something wrong when your love of money spurs you to
justify making money.
It doesn't have to be for the love of money. It can be part of the
process to pursuit happiness in life. Money should be a motivation for
people to contribute more to the society and the material reward for
doing a hard work in serving others. The spiritual reward always comes
from God. The material reward should be given by the society. Money only
becomes a problem when it becomes the goal instead of the mean.
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Work has to be hard? I am very lazy, by my standards. When I
"work" it is because I'm involved in some design challenge or problem
solving etc.. When I work for someone else that is still my
motivation, I go for the highest salary that will allow me to do what
they/I want, so I can spend a maximum amount of time doing what I
want.
I want to be happy, and I am. Money accumulates, but that's just
because I don't need to spend money to be happy. When I was working
(before I figured things out) I had a lot of nice toys but no time
to play. Now I have a lot of time to play and still have more than
enough toys to play with. True I can't afford to drop $150 for fuel
to take my sport-fisherman out, can't even maintain it, but then I
can find enough challenges with a kayak to stay fit and happy. My
other passions, cooking, tinkering, gardening, woodworking,
electronics, etc. cost next nothing to indulge. My wife and I have
adapted to each others needs - I don't "work to make my marriage
work."
Another epiphany from being a motorcycle bum: "you don't possess
things, they posses you." If you have too much stuff you can easily
get into a rut where your focus is in hanging on and adding to the
stuff. Better you have nothing - then everything is yours - you
have no personal need to hang on to things and that is a freedom
most people never find in life.
I was only going to go to Key West, for an adventure, but it was so
much fun I decided it could be a nice lifestyle.
Motorcycle, tent, sleeping bag are all I needed. When the bike
seized a piston and ate the engine, I left it in Casper Wyoming to
get repaired and bought a junker pick-up and went to Yellowstone Park
and worked as a cook. Then wandered around until it started getting
cold and went to San Diego to work, bought a new bike and took off
again.
I might think I'm the luckiest person alive, but I've come across a
few other people that have figured it out too.
Post by aaa
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Post by aaa
A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the
ghods, and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its
human vicar - is the highest good. Fie on that. Non
serviam!
When it complies with the love of Jesus within you, why do you
object? When it contradicts with the love of Jesus, why must
you obey?
Religion is not about god or Jesus. Why must I obey your god?
You can't obey "my" God. You can only obey your own God who is in
your own heart.
Well then stop calling it god, and drop all the "obey" stuff,
because I don't obey.
I disagree. I believe that no one can disobey God, and no one wants to
disobey God. Disobeying God is only a mistake because the sin in
people's mind has taken over the position of God.


While you are at it, drop the Jesus stuff too,
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Jesus didn't come up with anything that Greek and Roman philosophers
hadn't already written down 300 years before he came along. The ten
commandments were carved in stone hundreds of years before Moses was
supposed to have lived.
It's all good philosophy, no argument there, but it isn't the work
of gods, it is older than the oldest recorded monotheistic god.
There is nothing wrong for the history of God to be a lot longer than
the history of religion or the Bible. God has been in existence as long
as there is life on earth. There is no surprise about that.
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AGAIN: what do you get out of posting to an atheist group?
I get to learn and understand more about God.
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a
person, a group of people, or everyone by a deity in
response to some action. Many cultures have a story about
how a deity exacted punishment on previous inhabitants of
their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell
them what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy
and compassion the things necessary for moral behavior; and
don't need some imaginary god to tell them what they
already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need
empathy and compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally,
That's morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the
harm, yes. Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others.
Sometimes people get harmed when those they are aggressing
against defend themselves. But the core of it is discernible.
Don't pick fights. Try to resolve your disputes peacefully.
Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect others to
respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement in
your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your
word, especially when reneging on it will burden someone
else. You are under no obligation to sacrifice yourself for
others, but extending the benevolent hand of mutual aid to an
acquaintance who could use it builds networks of trust that
are often repaid in kind. Don't assume the other guy is out
to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either. Neither Emperor
nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
You don't have to worry about any of these things if you can
follow the love of Jesus Christ. The love of Jesus will guide
you through life without you worrying about life.
I have nothing against any of the philosophy attributed to
Christ, my gripe is that people don't follow Christ they follow
religious institutions who don't necessarily follow Christ.
That's obviously a mistake. I don't have love for religions. They
all have lost the way in my personal opinion. However, the people
of religion are a different issue. I will never question a
believer's faith as I don't allow anyone else to question my faith
either. So, even though religion is always wrong, believers are
never wrong because they have God to rule their lives personally.
Well, obviously, I don't buy into that. But then I ask myself why
you find it necessary (or rewarding) to post to alt.atheism. I'd
dare say most of us have been exposed to religion and only identify
as "atheists" because we are vocally opposed to religion and what it
does to folks. So my question becomes: what do you hope to achieve
by posting here?
I'm trying to show that God does not have to do with religion which is a
human organization. The God belief is an inherent human belief that is
in existence simply by being human. Everyone including people who call
themselves atheists has a god or God belief regardless whether one can
realize it or not. God is the God of life. Anyone who has a life has a
God to believe in one's life. One does not need religion to believe in God.
Well all you had to do was just say that. I personally don't think
god and religion are the same thing or people that believe in a god
have to belong to a religion. Most do and most get their ideas about
god from some religion or religious book.

If you get your ideas about what god is, wants, does, etc., from a
religion or religious book, you are as good as believing in a religion
as far as I'm concerned.
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The hippies of the 60's came closest to following Christ and many
of them actually did: give to the less fortunate, love everyone,
don't get hung up on wealth, live simply, be tolerant, etc..
We called them; dirty, pinko, commie, fags and derided their
attempts to choose a better life for themselves - then smugly
went back to our churches and temples and mosques and told
ourselves how they were immoral and un Christian and how we were
so much better than that.
Life is always complicated. There is no definitive way to be God's
way in living life. As humans, we all can make mistakes even when
we think we are following Christ. In my opinion, the hippie life
style can be very worry free, but life is not just about having no
worries. Life is also about hard work to be a useful member of the
family and the society. There is nothing wrong to make money so
life can be better.
There is something wrong when your love of money spurs you to
justify making money.
It doesn't have to be for the love of money. It can be part of the
process to pursuit happiness in life. Money should be a motivation for
people to contribute more to the society and the material reward for
doing a hard work in serving others. The spiritual reward always comes
from God. The material reward should be given by the society. Money only
becomes a problem when it becomes the goal instead of the mean.
Hard work, serving others? Bull.

Like the hermits, reclusive aesthetic philosophers, some orders of
monks and nuns have a duty to make money so they contribute to
society? I don't think so. We all serve society in some way, but
money and service aren't the same things.

The people with the most money, often contribute the least to society.
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Work has to be hard? I am very lazy, by my standards. When I
"work" it is because I'm involved in some design challenge or problem
solving etc.. When I work for someone else that is still my
motivation, I go for the highest salary that will allow me to do what
they/I want, so I can spend a maximum amount of time doing what I
want.
I want to be happy, and I am. Money accumulates, but that's just
because I don't need to spend money to be happy. When I was working
(before I figured things out) I had a lot of nice toys but no time
to play. Now I have a lot of time to play and still have more than
enough toys to play with. True I can't afford to drop $150 for fuel
to take my sport-fisherman out, can't even maintain it, but then I
can find enough challenges with a kayak to stay fit and happy. My
other passions, cooking, tinkering, gardening, woodworking,
electronics, etc. cost next nothing to indulge. My wife and I have
adapted to each others needs - I don't "work to make my marriage
work."
Another epiphany from being a motorcycle bum: "you don't possess
things, they posses you." If you have too much stuff you can easily
get into a rut where your focus is in hanging on and adding to the
stuff. Better you have nothing - then everything is yours - you
have no personal need to hang on to things and that is a freedom
most people never find in life.
I was only going to go to Key West, for an adventure, but it was so
much fun I decided it could be a nice lifestyle.
Motorcycle, tent, sleeping bag are all I needed. When the bike
seized a piston and ate the engine, I left it in Casper Wyoming to
get repaired and bought a junker pick-up and went to Yellowstone Park
and worked as a cook. Then wandered around until it started getting
cold and went to San Diego to work, bought a new bike and took off
again.
I might think I'm the luckiest person alive, but I've come across a
few other people that have figured it out too.
Post by aaa
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Post by aaa
A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the
ghods, and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its
human vicar - is the highest good. Fie on that. Non
serviam!
When it complies with the love of Jesus within you, why do you
object? When it contradicts with the love of Jesus, why must
you obey?
Religion is not about god or Jesus. Why must I obey your god?
You can't obey "my" God. You can only obey your own God who is in
your own heart.
Well then stop calling it god, and drop all the "obey" stuff,
because I don't obey.
I disagree. I believe that no one can disobey God, and no one wants to
disobey God. Disobeying God is only a mistake because the sin in
people's mind has taken over the position of God.
While you are at it, drop the Jesus stuff too,
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Jesus didn't come up with anything that Greek and Roman philosophers
hadn't already written down 300 years before he came along. The ten
commandments were carved in stone hundreds of years before Moses was
supposed to have lived.
It's all good philosophy, no argument there, but it isn't the work
of gods, it is older than the oldest recorded monotheistic god.
There is nothing wrong for the history of God to be a lot longer than
the history of religion or the Bible. God has been in existence as long
as there is life on earth. There is no surprise about that.
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AGAIN: what do you get out of posting to an atheist group?
I get to learn and understand more about God.
I get to verbally fence, stroke my ego, learn and organize my
thinking, converse with people I like and respect, and some
understanding about people hooked on god and religious cultism.

Other than that, it's a big waste of time that could be spent more
productively, and I do feel guilty about that...
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a
person, a group of people, or everyone by a deity in
response to some action. Many cultures have a story about
how a deity exacted punishment on previous inhabitants of
their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell
them what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy
and compassion the things necessary for moral behavior; and
don't need some imaginary god to tell them what they
already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need
empathy and compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally,
That's morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the
harm, yes. Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others.
Sometimes people get harmed when those they are aggressing
against defend themselves. But the core of it is discernible.
Don't pick fights. Try to resolve your disputes peacefully.
Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect others to
respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement in
your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your
word, especially when reneging on it will burden someone
else. You are under no obligation to sacrifice yourself for
others, but extending the benevolent hand of mutual aid to an
acquaintance who could use it builds networks of trust that
are often repaid in kind. Don't assume the other guy is out
to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either. Neither Emperor
nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
You don't have to worry about any of these things if you can
follow the love of Jesus Christ. The love of Jesus will guide
you through life without you worrying about life.
I have nothing against any of the philosophy attributed to
Christ, my gripe is that people don't follow Christ they follow
religious institutions who don't necessarily follow Christ.
That's obviously a mistake. I don't have love for religions. They
all have lost the way in my personal opinion. However, the people
of religion are a different issue. I will never question a
believer's faith as I don't allow anyone else to question my faith
either. So, even though religion is always wrong, believers are
never wrong because they have God to rule their lives personally.
Well, obviously, I don't buy into that. But then I ask myself why
you find it necessary (or rewarding) to post to alt.atheism. I'd
dare say most of us have been exposed to religion and only identify
as "atheists" because we are vocally opposed to religion and what it
does to folks. So my question becomes: what do you hope to achieve
by posting here?
I'm trying to show that God does not have to do with religion which is a
human organization. The God belief is an inherent human belief that is
in existence simply by being human. Everyone including people who call
themselves atheists has a god or God belief regardless whether one can
realize it or not. God is the God of life. Anyone who has a life has a
God to believe in one's life. One does not need religion to believe in God.
Well all you had to do was just say that. I personally don't think
god and religion are the same thing or people that believe in a god
have to belong to a religion. Most do and most get their ideas about
god from some religion or religious book.
If you get your ideas about what god is, wants, does, etc., from a
religion or religious book, you are as good as believing in a religion
as far as I'm concerned.
No. I get my understanding from life, and it helps me to better
understand the religious books.
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The hippies of the 60's came closest to following Christ and many
of them actually did: give to the less fortunate, love everyone,
don't get hung up on wealth, live simply, be tolerant, etc..
We called them; dirty, pinko, commie, fags and derided their
attempts to choose a better life for themselves - then smugly
went back to our churches and temples and mosques and told
ourselves how they were immoral and un Christian and how we were
so much better than that.
Life is always complicated. There is no definitive way to be God's
way in living life. As humans, we all can make mistakes even when
we think we are following Christ. In my opinion, the hippie life
style can be very worry free, but life is not just about having no
worries. Life is also about hard work to be a useful member of the
family and the society. There is nothing wrong to make money so
life can be better.
There is something wrong when your love of money spurs you to
justify making money.
It doesn't have to be for the love of money. It can be part of the
process to pursuit happiness in life. Money should be a motivation for
people to contribute more to the society and the material reward for
doing a hard work in serving others. The spiritual reward always comes
from God. The material reward should be given by the society. Money only
becomes a problem when it becomes the goal instead of the mean.
Hard work, serving others? Bull.
Like the hermits, reclusive aesthetic philosophers, some orders of
monks and nuns have a duty to make money so they contribute to
society? I don't think so. We all serve society in some way, but
money and service aren't the same things.
The people with the most money, often contribute the least to society.
That's why they are wrong. Instead of contributing to the society, they
have become blood suckers of the society.
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Work has to be hard? I am very lazy, by my standards. When I
"work" it is because I'm involved in some design challenge or problem
solving etc.. When I work for someone else that is still my
motivation, I go for the highest salary that will allow me to do what
they/I want, so I can spend a maximum amount of time doing what I
want.
I want to be happy, and I am. Money accumulates, but that's just
because I don't need to spend money to be happy. When I was working
(before I figured things out) I had a lot of nice toys but no time
to play. Now I have a lot of time to play and still have more than
enough toys to play with. True I can't afford to drop $150 for fuel
to take my sport-fisherman out, can't even maintain it, but then I
can find enough challenges with a kayak to stay fit and happy. My
other passions, cooking, tinkering, gardening, woodworking,
electronics, etc. cost next nothing to indulge. My wife and I have
adapted to each others needs - I don't "work to make my marriage
work."
Another epiphany from being a motorcycle bum: "you don't possess
things, they posses you." If you have too much stuff you can easily
get into a rut where your focus is in hanging on and adding to the
stuff. Better you have nothing - then everything is yours - you
have no personal need to hang on to things and that is a freedom
most people never find in life.
I was only going to go to Key West, for an adventure, but it was so
much fun I decided it could be a nice lifestyle.
Motorcycle, tent, sleeping bag are all I needed. When the bike
seized a piston and ate the engine, I left it in Casper Wyoming to
get repaired and bought a junker pick-up and went to Yellowstone Park
and worked as a cook. Then wandered around until it started getting
cold and went to San Diego to work, bought a new bike and took off
again.
I might think I'm the luckiest person alive, but I've come across a
few other people that have figured it out too.
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A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the
ghods, and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its
human vicar - is the highest good. Fie on that. Non
serviam!
When it complies with the love of Jesus within you, why do you
object? When it contradicts with the love of Jesus, why must
you obey?
Religion is not about god or Jesus. Why must I obey your god?
You can't obey "my" God. You can only obey your own God who is in
your own heart.
Well then stop calling it god, and drop all the "obey" stuff,
because I don't obey.
I disagree. I believe that no one can disobey God, and no one wants to
disobey God. Disobeying God is only a mistake because the sin in
people's mind has taken over the position of God.
While you are at it, drop the Jesus stuff too,
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Jesus didn't come up with anything that Greek and Roman philosophers
hadn't already written down 300 years before he came along. The ten
commandments were carved in stone hundreds of years before Moses was
supposed to have lived.
It's all good philosophy, no argument there, but it isn't the work
of gods, it is older than the oldest recorded monotheistic god.
There is nothing wrong for the history of God to be a lot longer than
the history of religion or the Bible. God has been in existence as long
as there is life on earth. There is no surprise about that.
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AGAIN: what do you get out of posting to an atheist group?
I get to learn and understand more about God.
I get to verbally fence, stroke my ego, learn and organize my
thinking, converse with people I like and respect, and some
understanding about people hooked on god and religious cultism.
Other than that, it's a big waste of time that could be spent more
productively, and I do feel guilty about that...
Then you need to learn how to realize things from the words on the screen.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a
person, a group of people, or everyone by a deity in
response to some action. Many cultures have a story about
how a deity exacted punishment on previous inhabitants of
their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell
them what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy
and compassion the things necessary for moral behavior; and
don't need some imaginary god to tell them what they
already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need
empathy and compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally,
That's morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the
harm, yes. Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others.
Sometimes people get harmed when those they are aggressing
against defend themselves. But the core of it is discernible.
Don't pick fights. Try to resolve your disputes peacefully.
Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect others to
respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement in
your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your
word, especially when reneging on it will burden someone
else. You are under no obligation to sacrifice yourself for
others, but extending the benevolent hand of mutual aid to an
acquaintance who could use it builds networks of trust that
are often repaid in kind. Don't assume the other guy is out
to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either. Neither Emperor
nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
You don't have to worry about any of these things if you can
follow the love of Jesus Christ. The love of Jesus will guide
you through life without you worrying about life.
I have nothing against any of the philosophy attributed to
Christ, my gripe is that people don't follow Christ they follow
religious institutions who don't necessarily follow Christ.
That's obviously a mistake. I don't have love for religions. They
all have lost the way in my personal opinion. However, the people
of religion are a different issue. I will never question a
believer's faith as I don't allow anyone else to question my faith
either. So, even though religion is always wrong, believers are
never wrong because they have God to rule their lives personally.
Well, obviously, I don't buy into that. But then I ask myself why
you find it necessary (or rewarding) to post to alt.atheism. I'd
dare say most of us have been exposed to religion and only identify
as "atheists" because we are vocally opposed to religion and what it
does to folks. So my question becomes: what do you hope to achieve
by posting here?
I'm trying to show that God does not have to do with religion which is a
human organization. The God belief is an inherent human belief that is
in existence simply by being human. Everyone including people who call
themselves atheists has a god or God belief regardless whether one can
realize it or not. God is the God of life. Anyone who has a life has a
God to believe in one's life. One does not need religion to believe in God.
Well all you had to do was just say that. I personally don't think
god and religion are the same thing or people that believe in a god
have to belong to a religion. Most do and most get their ideas about
god from some religion or religious book.
If you get your ideas about what god is, wants, does, etc., from a
religion or religious book, you are as good as believing in a religion
as far as I'm concerned.
No. I get my understanding from life, and it helps me to better
understand the religious books.
Since you've confessed that you haven't read any of them, how can you understand them?
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No. I get my understanding from life, and it helps me to better
understand the religious books.
Since you've confessed that you haven't read any of them, how can you understand them?
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No. I get my understanding from life, and it helps me to better
understand the religious books.
Since you've confessed that you haven't read any of them, how can you understand them?
By OsMoses.
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"But he told me to take two tablets and call him in the morning!"
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of
a person, a group of people, or everyone by a
deity in response to some action. Many cultures
have a story about how a deity exacted punishment
on previous inhabitants of their land, causing
their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to
tell them what to do. Normal people understand
(feel) empathy and compassion the things necessary
for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary
god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand,
it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you
don't need commandments, you don't need holy books,
you just need empathy and compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving
immorally, That's morality in it's entirety.
Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are
initiating the harm, yes. Don't initiate force and/or
fraud against others. Sometimes people get harmed
when those they are aggressing against defend
themselves. But the core of it is discernible. Don't
pick fights. Try to resolve your disputes
peacefully. Don't rob or steal, especially if you
expect others to respect your person and property.
Use voluntary agreement in your interactions with
others. Do your best to keep your word, especially
when reneging on it will burden someone else. You
are under no obligation to sacrifice yourself for
others, but extending the benevolent hand of mutual
aid to an acquaintance who could use it builds
networks of trust that are often repaid in kind.
Don't assume the other guy is out to skin you, but
don't be a sucker, either. Neither Emperor nor slave
is a proper status for any human being.
You don't have to worry about any of these things if
you can follow the love of Jesus Christ. The love of
Jesus will guide you through life without you worrying
about life.
I have nothing against any of the philosophy attributed
to Christ, my gripe is that people don't follow Christ
they follow religious institutions who don't necessarily
follow Christ.
That's obviously a mistake. I don't have love for
religions. They all have lost the way in my personal
opinion. However, the people of religion are a different
issue. I will never question a believer's faith as I don't
allow anyone else to question my faith either. So, even
though religion is always wrong, believers are never wrong
because they have God to rule their lives personally.
Well, obviously, I don't buy into that. But then I ask
myself why you find it necessary (or rewarding) to post to
alt.atheism. I'd dare say most of us have been exposed to
religion and only identify as "atheists" because we are
vocally opposed to religion and what it does to folks. So my
question becomes: what do you hope to achieve by posting
here?
I'm trying to show that God does not have to do with religion
which is a human organization. The God belief is an inherent
human belief that is in existence simply by being human.
Everyone including people who call themselves atheists has a
god or God belief regardless whether one can realize it or not.
God is the God of life. Anyone who has a life has a God to
believe in one's life. One does not need religion to believe in
God.
Well all you had to do was just say that. I personally don't
think god and religion are the same thing or people that believe
in a god have to belong to a religion. Most do and most get
their ideas about god from some religion or religious book.
If you get your ideas about what god is, wants, does, etc., from
a religion or religious book, you are as good as believing in a
religion as far as I'm concerned.
No. I get my understanding from life, and it helps me to better
understand the religious books.
Since you've confessed that you haven't read any of them, how can you understand them?
Very easy. It's by reading the Bible quotes from you in the context of
discussion.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of
a person, a group of people, or everyone by a
deity in response to some action. Many cultures
have a story about how a deity exacted punishment
on previous inhabitants of their land, causing
their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to
tell them what to do. Normal people understand
(feel) empathy and compassion the things necessary
for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary
god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand,
it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you
don't need commandments, you don't need holy books,
you just need empathy and compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving
immorally, That's morality in it's entirety.
Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are
initiating the harm, yes. Don't initiate force and/or
fraud against others. Sometimes people get harmed
when those they are aggressing against defend
themselves. But the core of it is discernible. Don't
pick fights. Try to resolve your disputes
peacefully. Don't rob or steal, especially if you
expect others to respect your person and property.
Use voluntary agreement in your interactions with
others. Do your best to keep your word, especially
when reneging on it will burden someone else. You
are under no obligation to sacrifice yourself for
others, but extending the benevolent hand of mutual
aid to an acquaintance who could use it builds
networks of trust that are often repaid in kind.
Don't assume the other guy is out to skin you, but
don't be a sucker, either. Neither Emperor nor slave
is a proper status for any human being.
You don't have to worry about any of these things if
you can follow the love of Jesus Christ. The love of
Jesus will guide you through life without you worrying
about life.
I have nothing against any of the philosophy attributed
to Christ, my gripe is that people don't follow Christ
they follow religious institutions who don't necessarily
follow Christ.
That's obviously a mistake. I don't have love for
religions. They all have lost the way in my personal
opinion. However, the people of religion are a different
issue. I will never question a believer's faith as I don't
allow anyone else to question my faith either. So, even
though religion is always wrong, believers are never wrong
because they have God to rule their lives personally.
Well, obviously, I don't buy into that. But then I ask
myself why you find it necessary (or rewarding) to post to
alt.atheism. I'd dare say most of us have been exposed to
religion and only identify as "atheists" because we are
vocally opposed to religion and what it does to folks. So my
question becomes: what do you hope to achieve by posting
here?
I'm trying to show that God does not have to do with religion
which is a human organization. The God belief is an inherent
human belief that is in existence simply by being human.
Everyone including people who call themselves atheists has a
god or God belief regardless whether one can realize it or not.
God is the God of life. Anyone who has a life has a God to
believe in one's life. One does not need religion to believe in
God.
Well all you had to do was just say that. I personally don't
think god and religion are the same thing or people that believe
in a god have to belong to a religion. Most do and most get
their ideas about god from some religion or religious book.
If you get your ideas about what god is, wants, does, etc., from
a religion or religious book, you are as good as believing in a
religion as far as I'm concerned.
No. I get my understanding from life, and it helps me to better
understand the religious books.
Since you've confessed that you haven't read any of them, how can you understand them?
Very easy. It's by reading the Bible quotes from you in the context of
discussion.
Nonsense. If you haven't read the book, it's an egregious lie to say you understand it. It doesn't matter if it's the bible or the latest SF novel.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the harm, yes.
Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others. Sometimes people
get harmed when those they are aggressing against defend themselves.
But the core of it is discernible. Don't pick fights. Try to resolve
your disputes peacefully. Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect
others to respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement
in your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your word,
especially when reneging on it will burden someone else. You are under
no obligation to sacrifice yourself for others, but extending the
benevolent hand of mutual aid to an acquaintance who could use it
builds networks of trust that are often repaid in kind. Don't assume
the other guy is out to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either.
Neither Emperor nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
You don't have to worry about any of these things if you can follow the
love of Jesus Christ. The love of Jesus will guide you through life
without you worrying about life.
I have nothing against any of the philosophy attributed to Christ, my
gripe is that people don't follow Christ they follow religious
institutions who don't necessarily follow Christ.
The hippies of the 60's came closest to following Christ and many of
them actually did: give to the less fortunate, love everyone, don't
get hung up on wealth, live simply, be tolerant, etc..
We called them; dirty, pinko, commie, fags and derided their attempts
to choose a better life for themselves - then smugly went back to our
churches and temples and mosques and told ourselves how they were
immoral and un Christian and how we were so much better than that.
Because they/we thought it could be done without the use of force. You can not get an entire world full of people to accept a life with such low expectations. Some people are driven to investigate, to tinker, to see what works best or just a little better. A lot of those people were dirty. Most people want to be left alone to pursue whatever individual plans they have. They do not wish to herded into groupthink. The most fundamental thing for humans to possess is the right to be an individual and it is because this right is the core of the US constitution that the US became the monumental economic force it became.

Free people always outperform slaves.
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A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the ghods,
and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its human vicar -
is the highest good. Fie on that. Non serviam!
When it complies with the love of Jesus within you, why do you object?
When it contradicts with the love of Jesus, why must you obey?
Religion is not about god or Jesus. Why must I obey your god?
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We called them; dirty, pinko, commie, fags and derided their attempts
to choose a better life for themselves - then smugly went back to our
churches and temples and mosques and told ourselves how they were
immoral and un Christian and how we were so much better than that.
Because they/we thought it could be done without the use of force. You can not
get an entire world full of people to accept a life with such low expectations.
Some people are driven to investigate, to tinker, to see what works best or just
a little better. A lot of those people were dirty. Most people want to be left
alone to pursue whatever individual plans they have. They do not wish to herded
into groupthink. The most fundamental thing for humans to possess is the right
to be an individual and it is because this right is the core of the US
constitution that the US became the monumental economic force it became.
Free people always outperform slaves.
Well said Cloud Hobbit. Yet, if all this were true, we would see the
people of the US give up their nationality as so much herd groupthink,
and join with the rest of liberated people around the world. Why
haven't they? Because what they are being led to investigate, to tinker
and see what works, is all materialistic. They believe that with
adequate outside pressures, anyone can be made to say or do whatever is
imposed on them, and that this is in fact the only way to ensure good,
solid results. How can such free people outperform slaves?
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's more complicated than that. If you are initiating the harm, yes.
Don't initiate force and/or fraud against others. Sometimes people
get harmed when those they are aggressing against defend themselves.
But the core of it is discernible. Don't pick fights. Try to resolve
your disputes peacefully. Don't rob or steal, especially if you expect
others to respect your person and property. Use voluntary agreement
in your interactions with others. Do your best to keep your word,
especially when reneging on it will burden someone else. You are under
no obligation to sacrifice yourself for others, but extending the
benevolent hand of mutual aid to an acquaintance who could use it
builds networks of trust that are often repaid in kind. Don't assume
the other guy is out to skin you, but don't be a sucker, either.
Neither Emperor nor slave is a proper status for any human being.
You don't have to worry about any of these things if you can follow the
love of Jesus Christ. The love of Jesus will guide you through life
without you worrying about life.
Post by Kevrob
A lot of religions think it is GREAT to be a slave of the ghods,
and obedience to the Emperor of The Universe - or its human vicar -
is the highest good. Fie on that. Non serviam!
When it complies with the love of Jesus within you, why do you object?
When it contradicts with the love of Jesus, why must you obey?
Look, you proselytizing troll, brain damaged as you are, you may
not be able to follow the custom of this forum, but atheists aren't
going to follow the precepts of your imaginary carpenter.

Interjecting "Jesus' into the discussion is pure trollery.

This is why I and others don't respond to you.

Kevin R
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group of
people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on previous
inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to do.
Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to tell
them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need commandments,
you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality in
it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no supposed
son of your god.
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you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed Jesus
character.
As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers in many other
religions.
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exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Saint Else Ware
2017-04-14 23:41:14 UTC
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you really belong in alt.amoral, not here.
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2017-04-15 23:42:02 UTC
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you really belong in alt.amoral, not here.
You really belong in alt.liars, not here, convicted criminal Yost.
What happened to your supposed kill file?
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a
group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing their
doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what
to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the
things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some
imaginary god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy
and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his
existence.
Your willful blindness to love is why you can't recognize such evidence
for Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of
Jesus Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no
supposed son of your god.
Love is the evidence which you blindly deny.
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Post by aaa
you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind
of ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have
and to act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of
them. Your action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It
will be what you are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed
Jesus character. As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers
in many other religions.
That's just your empty claim. You can do nothing without acknowledging
the love of Jesus Christ in the first place. Different people may call
the love of Jesus with different names according to their different
religious backgrounds, but the love itself is always one and the same
for everyone.
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2017-04-15 23:46:56 UTC
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
Your willful blindness to love is why you can't recognize such evidence
for Christ.
There is none to recognise.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no supposed
son of your god.
Love is
An emotion. Your god is just an emotion?
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the evidence which you blindly deny.
Still no evidence of your supposed god.
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you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt anyone.
Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of ideas in
your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to act on
without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your action
will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you are
supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed Jesus
character. As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers in many
other religions.
That's just your empty claim. You can do nothing without acknowledging
the love of Jesus Christ in the first place.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
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Different people may call
the love of Jesus with different names according to their different
religious backgrounds, but the love itself is always one and the same
for everyone.
Unevidenced bullshit.
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exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
Your willful blindness to love is why you can't recognize such evidence
for Christ.
There is none to recognise.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no supposed
son of your god.
Love is
An emotion. Your god is just an emotion?
A true emotion is always more real than the entire world.
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the evidence which you blindly deny.
Still no evidence of your supposed god.
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you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt anyone.
Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of ideas in
your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to act on
without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your action
will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you are
supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed Jesus
character. As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers in many
other religions.
That's just your empty claim. You can do nothing without acknowledging
the love of Jesus Christ in the first place.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
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Different people may call
the love of Jesus with different names according to their different
religious backgrounds, but the love itself is always one and the same
for everyone.
Unevidenced bullshit.
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2017-04-18 23:27:28 UTC
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the
things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary
god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
Your willful blindness to love is why you can't recognize such
evidence for Christ.
There is none to recognise.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no
supposed son of your god.
Love is
An emotion. Your god is just an emotion?
A true emotion is always more real than the entire world.
Only in your stupid opinion.
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the evidence which you blindly deny.
Still no evidence of your supposed god.
No answer?
No evidence.
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you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt anyone.
Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of ideas in
your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to act
on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what
you are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed
Jesus character. As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers
in many other religions.
That's just your empty claim. You can do nothing without acknowledging
the love of Jesus Christ in the first place.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
No answer?
No evidence.
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Different people may call the love of Jesus with different names
according to their different religious backgrounds, but the love
itself is always one and the same for everyone.
Unevidenced bullshit.
No answer?
No evidence.
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exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a
group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing their
doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what
to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the
things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some
imaginary god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy
and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his
existence.
Your willful blindness to love is why you can't recognize such evidence
for Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of
Jesus Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no
supposed son of your god.
Love is the evidence which you blindly deny.
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Post by aaa
you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind
of ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have
and to act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of
them. Your action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It
will be what you are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed
Jesus character. As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers
in many other religions.
That's just your empty claim. You can do nothing without acknowledging
the love of Jesus Christ in the first place. Different people may call
the love of Jesus with different names according to their different
religious backgrounds, but the love itself is always one and the same
for everyone.
You don't want people to have their own Jesus in their heart muscle. You want
people to have their own exact copy of your Jesus in their heart muscle. If it
was any different, it wouldn't be Jesus, would it? Like I've said before, you don't think things through.

And, you still haven't said why you are invading an atheist newsgroup that
isn't interested in your organic beliefs. If you don't answer the question, I have no doubt that even more people will stop responding to you until there
are none.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person,
a group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to
some action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity
exacted punishment on previous inhabitants of their land,
causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them
what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and
compassion the things necessary for moral behavior; and don't
need some imaginary god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need
empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his
existence.
Your willful blindness to love is why you can't recognize such
evidence for Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of
Jesus Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no
supposed son of your god.
Love is the evidence which you blindly deny.
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Post by aaa
you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any
kind of ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural
things to have and to act on without you being consciously and
mentally aware of them. Your action will not be an act to
demonstrate something. It will be what you are supposed to do
as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your
supposed Jesus character. As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists
and believers in many other religions.
That's just your empty claim. You can do nothing without
acknowledging the love of Jesus Christ in the first place.
Different people may call the love of Jesus with different names
according to their different religious backgrounds, but the love
itself is always one and the same for everyone.
You don't want people to have their own Jesus in their heart muscle.
You want people to have their own exact copy of your Jesus in their
heart muscle. If it was any different, it wouldn't be Jesus, would
it? Like I've said before, you don't think things through.
It's my conviction that the love in everyone's heart is always one and
the same. There can be no difference. People may describe the love in
their heart differently, but those who have known such love would
recognize it regardless.
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And, you still haven't said why you are invading an atheist newsgroup
that isn't interested in your organic beliefs. If you don't answer
the question, I have no doubt that even more people will stop
responding to you until there are none.
I have answered your question many times. I'm here to discuss everything
about God so that I can learn more about God. It's my way of learning
the knowledge of God which is the ultimate truth of God. The truth of
God is why the Bible is written. Learning the truth of God is why we are
here on this planet. Everybody needs to learn and understand the truth
of God.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person,
a group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing their
doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the
things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary
god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
Your willful blindness to love is why you can't recognize such
evidence for Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no
supposed son of your god.
Love is the evidence which you blindly deny.
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Post by aaa
you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and
to act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them.
Your action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be
what you are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed
Jesus character. As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers
in many other religions.
That's just your empty claim. You can do nothing without acknowledging
the love of Jesus Christ in the first place. Different people may call
the love of Jesus with different names according to their different
religious backgrounds, but the love itself is always one and the same
for everyone.
You don't want people to have their own Jesus in their heart muscle.
You want people to have their own exact copy of your Jesus in their
heart muscle. If it was any different, it wouldn't be Jesus, would it?
Like I've said before, you don't think things through.
It's my conviction
= unevidenced belief.
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that the love in everyone's heart
The only thing in everyone's heart is blood.
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is always one and
the same. There can be no difference. People may describe the love in
their heart differently, but those who have known such love would
recognize it regardless.
As complete and utter bullshit.
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And, you still haven't said why you are invading an atheist newsgroup
that isn't interested in your organic beliefs. If you don't answer the
question, I have no doubt that even more people will stop responding to
you until there are none.
I have answered your question many times.
I have asked for your evidence many times. You have never provided it.
Could that be because you have none?
Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
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I'm here to discuss everything about God
About a supposed god that you believe in without a scrap of evidence.
I'm here to discus everything about flubdescrunts. Are you interested?
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so that I can learn more about God.
Learn this and learn it well. Your supposed god is merely a figment of
your deluded imagination.
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It's my way of learning
the knowledge of God which is the ultimate truth of God. The truth of
God is why the Bible is written. Learning the truth of God is why we are
here on this planet.
Theist circularity. First show that there is a god to learn about.
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Everybody needs to learn and understand the truth of God.
Everybody needs to learn and understand the truth of flubdescrunts. Why
don't you?
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person,
a group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to
some action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity
exacted punishment on previous inhabitants of their land,
causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them
what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and
compassion the things necessary for moral behavior; and don't
need some imaginary god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need
empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his
existence.
Your willful blindness to love is why you can't recognize such
evidence for Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of
Jesus Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no
supposed son of your god.
Love is the evidence which you blindly deny.
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Post by aaa
you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any
kind of ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural
things to have and to act on without you being consciously and
mentally aware of them. Your action will not be an act to
demonstrate something. It will be what you are supposed to do
as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your
supposed Jesus character. As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists
and believers in many other religions.
That's just your empty claim. You can do nothing without
acknowledging the love of Jesus Christ in the first place.
Different people may call the love of Jesus with different names
according to their different religious backgrounds, but the love
itself is always one and the same for everyone.
You don't want people to have their own Jesus in their heart muscle.
You want people to have their own exact copy of your Jesus in their
heart muscle. If it was any different, it wouldn't be Jesus, would
it? Like I've said before, you don't think things through.
It's my conviction that the love in everyone's heart is always one and
the same. There can be no difference. People may describe the love in
their heart differently, but those who have known such love would
recognize it regardless.
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And, you still haven't said why you are invading an atheist newsgroup
that isn't interested in your organic beliefs. If you don't answer
the question, I have no doubt that even more people will stop
responding to you until there are none.
I have answered your question many times. I'm here to discuss everything
about God so that I can learn more about God. It's my way of learning
the knowledge of God which is the ultimate truth of God. The truth of
God is why the Bible is written. Learning the truth of God is why we are
here on this planet. Everybody needs to learn and understand the truth
of God.
So you think people should waste their time understanding a fictional character.

Look, I'm all for fiction and sometimes I get a little obsessed (as I am right now with "The Expanse", both tv series and books), but I don't run my life based on fiction.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person,
a group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing their
doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what
to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the
things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some
imaginary god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy
and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his
existence.
Your willful blindness to love is why you can't recognize such
evidence for Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of
Jesus Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no
supposed son of your god.
Love is the evidence which you blindly deny.
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Post by aaa
you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind
of ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to
have and to act on without you being consciously and mentally
aware of them. Your action will not be an act to demonstrate
something. It will be what you are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed
Jesus character. As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and
believers in many other religions.
That's just your empty claim. You can do nothing without
acknowledging the love of Jesus Christ in the first place. Different
people may call the love of Jesus with different names according to
their different religious backgrounds, but the love itself is always
one and the same for everyone.
You don't want people to have their own Jesus in their heart muscle.
You want people to have their own exact copy of your Jesus in their
heart muscle. If it was any different, it wouldn't be Jesus, would
it? Like I've said before, you don't think things through.
It's my conviction that the love in everyone's heart is always one and
the same. There can be no difference. People may describe the love in
their heart differently, but those who have known such love would
recognize it regardless.
Post by hypatiab7
And, you still haven't said why you are invading an atheist newsgroup
that isn't interested in your organic beliefs. If you don't answer
the question, I have no doubt that even more people will stop
responding to you until there are none.
I have answered your question many times. I'm here to discuss
everything about God so that I can learn more about God. It's my way of
learning the knowledge of God which is the ultimate truth of God. The
truth of God is why the Bible is written. Learning the truth of God is
why we are here on this planet. Everybody needs to learn and understand
the truth of God.
So you think people should waste their time understanding a fictional character.
He wants everyone to be as insane as he is.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Look, I'm all for fiction and sometimes I get a little obsessed (as I am
right now with "The Expanse", both tv series and books), but I don't run
my life based on fiction.
Nor do you believe it's reality.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person,
a group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing their
doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what
to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the
things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some
imaginary god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy
and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his
existence.
Your willful blindness to love is why you can't recognize such
evidence for Christ.
Post by Smiler
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of
Jesus Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no
supposed son of your god.
Love is the evidence which you blindly deny.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind
of ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to
have and to act on without you being consciously and mentally
aware of them. Your action will not be an act to demonstrate
something. It will be what you are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed
Jesus character. As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and
believers in many other religions.
That's just your empty claim. You can do nothing without
acknowledging the love of Jesus Christ in the first place. Different
people may call the love of Jesus with different names according to
their different religious backgrounds, but the love itself is always
one and the same for everyone.
You don't want people to have their own Jesus in their heart muscle.
You want people to have their own exact copy of your Jesus in their
heart muscle. If it was any different, it wouldn't be Jesus, would
it? Like I've said before, you don't think things through.
It's my conviction that the love in everyone's heart is always one and
the same. There can be no difference. People may describe the love in
their heart differently, but those who have known such love would
recognize it regardless.
Post by hypatiab7
And, you still haven't said why you are invading an atheist newsgroup
that isn't interested in your organic beliefs. If you don't answer
the question, I have no doubt that even more people will stop
responding to you until there are none.
I have answered your question many times. I'm here to discuss
everything about God so that I can learn more about God. It's my way of
learning the knowledge of God which is the ultimate truth of God. The
truth of God is why the Bible is written. Learning the truth of God is
why we are here on this planet. Everybody needs to learn and understand
the truth of God.
So you think people should waste their time understanding a fictional character.
He wants everyone to be as insane as he is.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Look, I'm all for fiction and sometimes I get a little obsessed (as I am
right now with "The Expanse", both tv series and books), but I don't run
my life based on fiction.
Nor do you believe it's reality.
Exactly.

I'm about to be distraught--I only have the epilogue in the 5th book in the series. The next book isn't due out for months and months; what am I to do???!!!!
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a
person, a group of people, or everyone by a deity in
response to some action. Many cultures have a story
about how a deity exacted punishment on previous
inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell
them what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy
and compassion the things necessary for moral behavior;
and don't need some imaginary god to tell them what they
already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't
need commandments, you don't need holy books, you just
need empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his
existence.
Your willful blindness to love is why you can't recognize such
evidence for Christ.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally,
That's morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love
of Jesus Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be
no supposed son of your god.
Love is the evidence which you blindly deny.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
you will always have the empathy and compassion to never
hurt anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to
be any kind of ideas in your mind. They will be the most
natural things to have and to act on without you being
consciously and mentally aware of them. Your action will
not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your
supposed Jesus character. As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs,
Shintoists and believers in many other religions.
That's just your empty claim. You can do nothing without
acknowledging the love of Jesus Christ in the first place.
Different people may call the love of Jesus with different
names according to their different religious backgrounds, but
the love itself is always one and the same for everyone.
You don't want people to have their own Jesus in their heart
muscle. You want people to have their own exact copy of your
Jesus in their heart muscle. If it was any different, it wouldn't
be Jesus, would it? Like I've said before, you don't think things
through.
It's my conviction that the love in everyone's heart is always one
and the same. There can be no difference. People may describe the
love in their heart differently, but those who have known such love
would recognize it regardless.
Post by hypatiab7
And, you still haven't said why you are invading an atheist
newsgroup that isn't interested in your organic beliefs. If you
don't answer the question, I have no doubt that even more people
will stop responding to you until there are none.
I have answered your question many times. I'm here to discuss
everything about God so that I can learn more about God. It's my
way of learning the knowledge of God which is the ultimate truth of
God. The truth of God is why the Bible is written. Learning the
truth of God is why we are here on this planet. Everybody needs to
learn and understand the truth of God.
So you think people should waste their time understanding a fictional character.
Look, I'm all for fiction and sometimes I get a little obsessed (as I
am right now with "The Expanse", both tv series and books), but I
don't run my life based on fiction.
God is not a fiction.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-22 06:56:12 UTC
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God is not a fiction.
Then you should be able to provide evidence that it existsw. Since you cannot, you just told a lie and you KNOW it's a lie.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group of
people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on previous
inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to do.
Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to tell
them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need commandments,
you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
Of course, such evidence has been presented to you here multiple times from reliable sources but you've made the decision - a priori - not to accept it.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality in
it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no supposed
son of your god.
If we showed you evidence for the existence of God, would we proselytizing?
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed Jesus
character.
Joseph Stalin was an atheist. How much empathy did he express in murdering millions of his fellow countrymen?
Post by Smiler
As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers in many other
religions.
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All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to do.
Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments,
you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
Of course, such evidence has been presented to you here multiple times
from reliable sources but you've made the decision - a priori - not to
accept it.
Nope. No evidence has been presented, merely beliefs.
Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no supposed
son of your god.
If we showed you evidence for the existence of God, would we
proselytizing?
Only if your evidence isn't objective evidence.
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Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt anyone.
Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of ideas in
your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to act on
without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your action
will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you are
supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed Jesus
character.
Joseph Stalin was an atheist. How much empathy did he express in
murdering millions of his fellow countrymen?
Yet he was trained in a seminary and, according to his daughter, had many
religious books in his library.
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As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers in many other
religions.
--
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All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to do.
Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need commandments,
you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
Of course, such evidence has been presented to you here multiple times
from reliable sources but you've made the decision - a priori - not to
accept it.
Nope. No evidence has been presented, merely beliefs.
Nope. Evidence has been presented in writings of authors considered to be the basis of what we know about the 1st century Roman Empire.

Of course, their evidence contradicts your predispositions so they MUST be denied.
Post by Smiler
Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
Tacitus and Josephus wrote 'holy' books? Interesting.........
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no supposed
son of your god.
If we showed you evidence for the existence of God, would we
proselytizing?
Only if your evidence isn't objective evidence.
Of course your predispositions and a priori urges can't define what would be objective evidence in this case.

"Objective" is whatever you define it, right? MOF, you've proved yourself to be as closed-minded as they come.

What are you afraid of?
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you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt anyone.
Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of ideas in
your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to act on
without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your action
will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you are
supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed Jesus
character.
Joseph Stalin was an atheist. How much empathy did he express in
murdering millions of his fellow countrymen?
Yet he was trained in a seminary and, according to his daughter, had many
religious books in his library.
LOL

Yet, he was a communist and atheism was at the heart of that ideology.

I have books by Marx and a copy of the Quran but I'm neither a marxist nor a muzzie.
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a
group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing their
doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to do.
Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god
to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need commandments,
you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
Of course, such evidence has been presented to you here multiple
times from reliable sources but you've made the decision - a priori -
not to accept it.
Nope. No evidence has been presented, merely beliefs.
Nope. Evidence has been presented in writings of authors considered to
be the basis of what we know about the 1st century Roman Empire.
What evidence? Writings about the beliefs of Christians is in no way
evidence for your supposed Jesus.
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Of course, their evidence contradicts your predispositions so they MUST be denied.
What evidence is that?
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Post by Smiler
Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
Tacitus and Josephus wrote 'holy' books? Interesting.........
Tacitus wrote about what Xians believed. Josephus didn't mention Jesus at
all. What is attributed to him is a later insertion (= lie) by a Xian
scribe, probably Eusabius.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of
Jesus Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no
supposed son of your god.
If we showed you evidence for the existence of God, would we proselytizing?
Only if your evidence isn't objective evidence.
Of course your predispositions and a priori urges can't define what
would be objective evidence in this case.
"Objective" is whatever you define it, right? MOF, you've proved
yourself to be as closed-minded as they come.
Objective evidence as defined by science.
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What are you afraid of?
Not any supposed god character, unlike you.
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you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt anyone.
Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of ideas
in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them.
Your action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will
be what you are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed
Jesus character.
Joseph Stalin was an atheist. How much empathy did he express in
murdering millions of his fellow countrymen?
Yet he was trained in a seminary and, according to his daughter, had
many religious books in his library.
LOL
Yet, he was a communist and atheism was at the heart of that ideology.
He was a dictator, doing what dictators do.
Post by Kurt Nicklas
I have books by Marx and a copy of the Quran but I'm neither a marxist nor a muzzie.
No, but you are an idiot.
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Post by Mr. Unagi
Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a
group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing their
doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to do.
Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god
to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need commandments,
you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
Of course, such evidence has been presented to you here multiple
times from reliable sources but you've made the decision - a priori -
not to accept it.
Nope. No evidence has been presented, merely beliefs.
Nope. Evidence has been presented in writings of authors considered to
be the basis of what we know about the 1st century Roman Empire.
What evidence? Writings about the beliefs of Christians is in no way
evidence for your supposed Jesus.
Writings about Jesus is evidence for Jesus but of course your mind is closed to such evidence so you're compelled to rationalize your denials.

Poor you.
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Of course, their evidence contradicts your predispositions so they MUST be denied.
What evidence is that?
The evidence you've already seen.
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Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.
Tacitus and Josephus wrote 'holy' books? Interesting.........
Tacitus wrote about what Xians believed.
No, Tacitus wrote based on what he knew and could see in the archives of the Romans themselves.
Post by Smiler
Josephus didn't mention Jesus at
all.
Yes, actually, he did.

What is attributed to him is a later insertion (= lie) by a Xian
Post by Smiler
scribe, probably Eusabius.
There's hardly any agreement among scholars for that, of course.

And the name is 'Eusebius'.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of
Jesus Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no
supposed son of your god.
If we showed you evidence for the existence of God, would we proselytizing?
Only if your evidence isn't objective evidence.
Of course your predispositions and a priori urges can't define what
would be objective evidence in this case.
"Objective" is whatever you define it, right? MOF, you've proved
yourself to be as closed-minded as they come.
Objective evidence as defined by science.
As I thought...you can't define it. But then you're call for "objective evidence" in this case is just a pretension, isn't it?

Your mind is closed.
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What are you afraid of?
Not any supposed god character, unlike you.
Again, what are you afraid of?
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you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt anyone.
Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of ideas
in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them.
Your action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will
be what you are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed
Jesus character.
Joseph Stalin was an atheist. How much empathy did he express in
murdering millions of his fellow countrymen?
Yet he was trained in a seminary and, according to his daughter, had
many religious books in his library.
LOL
Yet, he was a communist and atheism was at the heart of that ideology.
He was a dictator, doing what dictators do.
He was an atheist and a mass murderer.

The greatest mass murderers in history were ALL atheists.

Live with it.
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I have books by Marx and a copy of the Quran but I'm neither a marxist nor a muzzie.
No, but I am an idiot.
Fixed it for ya.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group of
people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on previous
inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to do.
Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to tell
them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need commandments,
you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
Of course, such evidence has been presented to you here multiple times from reliable sources but you've made the decision - a priori - not to accept it.
No need to read past this silly lie.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group of
people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on previous
inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to do.
Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to tell
them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need commandments,
you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
That would be the Jesus for whom you have no evidence of his existence.
Of course, such evidence has been presented to you here multiple times from reliable sources but you've made the decision - a priori - not to accept it.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality in
it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ,
Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no supposed
son of your god.
If we showed you evidence for the existence of God, would we proselytizing?
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you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed Jesus
character.
Joseph Stalin was an atheist. How much empathy did he express in murdering millions of his fellow countrymen?
What do his murders have to do with his atheism?
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Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no supposed
son of your god.
If we showed you evidence for the existence of God, would we proselytizing?
First, if you showed actual evidence that could survive scrutiny,
that would be highly unusual. You've been trolling here long enough
and have yet to do so.

"Making the case for a deity (or more than one)" here is
proselytizing.
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you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed Jesus
character.
Joseph Stalin was an atheist. How much empathy did he express in murdering millions of his fellow countrymen?
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As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers in many other
religions.
Any member of any group can be an immoral bastard. Stalin's, like Hitler's,
ability to effect mass killing was an artifact of the technology at his
disposal, compared to earlier, religion-motivated tyrants.

I consider Marxism, especially the Leninist/Stalinist and Maoist versions,
along with that of the likes of Pol Pot to be pseudo-religions: Plato
fed through the neo-Platonists (very influential on the early Christian
church) via Hegel, with "dialectical materialism" as mystical a force
as dharma or karma. Add the "cult of personality" and it is nothing
like individualist, rationalist atheism. YMMV.

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Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no supposed
son of your god.
If we showed you evidence for the existence of God, would we proselytizing?
First, if you showed actual evidence that could survive scrutiny,
that would be highly unusual. You've been trolling here long enough
and have yet to do so.
"Making the case for a deity (or more than one)" here is
proselytizing.
So you interpret "making the case" as making a case that will convince atheists in the group that God exists, huh?

That's pure idiocy and I'm *sure* that's not what the author of the original FAQ had in mind as 'making a case'.
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you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed Jesus
character.
Joseph Stalin was an atheist. How much empathy did he express in murdering millions of his fellow countrymen?
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As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers in many other
religions.
Any member of any group can be an immoral bastard. Stalin's, like Hitler's,
ability to effect mass killing was an artifact of the technology at his
disposal, compared to earlier, religion-motivated tyrants.
It was an "artifact" (silly term, that) of his ideology. Zyklon was was technology developed as a pesticide. The Nazi ideology turned it into a WMD.

Atheism, a basic part of Marxism-Leninism, was at the heart of the greatest mass murderers in history.
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I consider Marxism, especially the Leninist/Stalinist and Maoist versions,
along with that of the likes of Pol Pot to be pseudo-religions: Plato
fed through the neo-Platonists (very influential on the early Christian
church) via Hegel, with "dialectical materialism" as mystical a force
as dharma or karma. Add the "cult of personality" and it is nothing
like individualist, rationalist atheism. YMMV.
What YOU consider to be Marxism isn't really relevant, is it? What IS relevant is what it meant to the mass murderers who were atheists and marxists and who killed MILLIONS in order to establish their own ideas of a perfect society.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03.htm
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Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no supposed
son of your god.
If we showed you evidence for the existence of God, would we proselytizing?
First, if you showed actual evidence that could survive scrutiny,
that would be highly unusual. You've been trolling here long enough
and have yet to do so.
"Making the case for a deity (or more than one)" here is
proselytizing.
So you interpret "making the case" as making a case that will convince atheists in the group that God exists, huh?
That's pure idiocy and I'm *sure* that's not what the author of the original FAQ had in mind as 'making a case'.
Words mean things. Oxford has "proselytize" as:

Convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief,
or opinion to another.

and

Advocate or promote (a belief or course of action)

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/proselytize

Merriam-Webster puts it as:

to induce someone to convert to one's faith

And

to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proselytize

I'll let the group readers decide if my opinion is "idiocy"
or accurate. Your trollish opinion, expressed as unargued
dicta, is worthless.
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you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed Jesus
character.
Joseph Stalin was an atheist. How much empathy did he express in murdering millions of his fellow countrymen?
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As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers in many other
religions.
Any member of any group can be an immoral bastard. Stalin's, like Hitler's,
ability to effect mass killing was an artifact of the technology at his
disposal, compared to earlier, religion-motivated tyrants.
It was an "artifact" (silly term, that)
An artifact is something made by the hand of man.
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of his ideology.
The two go together. Motive and means, as the detective says.
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Zyklon was was technology developed as a pesticide. The Nazi ideology turned it into a WMD.
They used it as an execution tool. WMDs are launched against population
centers. Zyklon was akin to the guillotine: a "scientific" method of
killing prisoners, and yes, en masse, but we don't usually count a method
of execution as equivalent to an A-bomb or a bio-weapon aimed at a city.
Maybe we should. Jews, Roma, etc machine-gunned by the SS were just as
dead. The Khmer Rouge would execute you with a hoe.
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Atheism, a basic part of Marxism-Leninism, was at the heart of the greatest mass murderers in history.
While Marxism-Leninism demanded atheism, nothing in atheism demands
Marxism. Does theism demand human sacrifice, or "holy (sic) war,"
because some interpretations of some religions call(ed) for it?
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I consider Marxism, especially the Leninist/Stalinist and Maoist versions,
along with that of the likes of Pol Pot to be pseudo-religions: Plato
fed through the neo-Platonists (very influential on the early Christian
church) via Hegel, with "dialectical materialism" as mystical a force
as dharma or karma. Add the "cult of personality" and it is nothing
like individualist, rationalist atheism. YMMV.
What YOU consider to be Marxism isn't really relevant, is it?
The thought is not original with me. Search on terms like "secular
religion" along with Marxism. Kolakowski? Berdyaev? ...Bueller?
Anyone?
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What IS relevant is what it meant to the mass murderers who were atheists and marxists and who killed MILLIONS in order to establish their own ideas of a perfect society.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03.htm
Yes, that's perfectly so. That they proclaimed themselves atheists
doesn't mean that they didn't believe in their own self-justifying
version of woo-woo - historical determinism, dialectical materialism,
and the attendant attitude that one must obey the current Party Line
in a way so reminiscent of religious orthodoxy (Party Conference
Reports =~ ex cathedra Papal Bulls?) as to be a distinction without
a difference. A wag would point out that it was a recapitulation of
revolutionary France's attempt to supplant the Catholic church with
the "cult of Reason."

Now, what gets me, is why someone who has been trolling a group dedicated
to atheism for a decade or more thinks proselytizing here is worth the
effort? Do you think you are changing minds, or is this just some form
of pseudo-intellectual bear-baiting? You aren't here to hear what we think.
You'd have picked that up in a trice.

Conclusion: Troll.

Kevin R
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Until you show evidence for your supposed god, there can be no supposed
son of your god.
If we showed you evidence for the existence of God, would we proselytizing?
First, if you showed actual evidence that could survive scrutiny,
that would be highly unusual. You've been trolling here long enough
and have yet to do so.
"Making the case for a deity (or more than one)" here is
proselytizing.
So you interpret "making the case" as making a case that will convince atheists in the group that God exists, huh?
What else could it possibly be in alt.atheism.
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That's pure idiocy and I'm *sure* that's not what the author of the original FAQ had in mind as 'making a case'.
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you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
I, and every other atheist, can do all that without your supposed Jesus
character.
Joseph Stalin was an atheist. How much empathy did he express in murdering millions of his fellow countrymen?
Post by Smiler
As can Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Shintoists and believers in many other
religions.
Any member of any group can be an immoral bastard. Stalin's, like Hitler's,
ability to effect mass killing was an artifact of the technology at his
disposal, compared to earlier, religion-motivated tyrants.
It was an "artifact" (silly term, that) of his ideology. Zyklon was was technology developed as a pesticide. The Nazi ideology turned it into a WMD.
Atheism, a basic part of Marxism-Leninism,
There's that moronic lie again.

Are you claiming that liberation theologist priests are atheists????
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was at the heart of the greatest mass murderers in history.
Post by Kevrob
I consider Marxism, especially the Leninist/Stalinist and Maoist versions,
along with that of the likes of Pol Pot to be pseudo-religions: Plato
fed through the neo-Platonists (very influential on the early Christian
church) via Hegel, with "dialectical materialism" as mystical a force
as dharma or karma. Add the "cult of personality" and it is nothing
like individualist, rationalist atheism. YMMV.
What YOU consider to be Marxism isn't really relevant, is it? What IS relevant is what it meant to the mass murderers who were atheists and marxists and who killed MILLIONS in order to establish their own ideas of a perfect society.
Provide a citation of any one of them claiming to kill in the name of atheism.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
Well I do believe it is natural and ingrained (no thinking necessary)
for most people to be moral, and there's no need for a god.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
Well I do believe it is natural and ingrained (no thinking necessary)
for most people to be moral, and there's no need for a god.
God is all natural and ingrained.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
Well I do believe it is natural and ingrained (no thinking necessary)
for most people to be moral, and there's no need for a god.
God is all natural and ingrained.
You have a stupid pixie that is a man made character
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
Well I do believe it is natural and ingrained (no thinking necessary)
for most people to be moral, and there's no need for a god.
God is all natural and ingrained.
God is a creation of frightened primitive shepherds taken over by primitive
confidence men who knew how to use a stupid idea to their benefit.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
Well I do believe it is natural and ingrained (no thinking necessary)
for most people to be moral, and there's no need for a god.
God is all natural and ingrained.
Everything is all natural. The unnatural can not exist.
Whatever exists, exists within nature.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person,
a group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to
some action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity
exacted punishment on previous inhabitants of their land,
causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them
what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and
compassion the things necessary for moral behavior; and don't
need some imaginary god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need
empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of
Jesus Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion
to never hurt anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need
to be any kind of ideas in your mind. They will be the most
natural things to have and to act on without you being
consciously and mentally aware of them. Your action will not be
an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you are
supposed to do as a common man.
Well I do believe it is natural and ingrained (no thinking
necessary) for most people to be moral, and there's no need for a
god.
God is all natural and ingrained.
Everything is all natural. The unnatural can not exist. Whatever
exists, exists within nature.
No. It's never natural to sin. Sin is always against nature and
everybody including oneself.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person,
a group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing their
doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the
things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary
god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never
hurt anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any
kind of ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to
have and to act on without you being consciously and mentally aware
of them. Your action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It
will be what you are supposed to do as a common man.
Well I do believe it is natural and ingrained (no thinking necessary)
for most people to be moral, and there's no need for a god.
God is all natural and ingrained.
Everything is all natural. The unnatural can not exist. Whatever
exists, exists within nature.
No. It's never natural to sin.
Therefore, natural things like people cannot sin.
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Sin is always against nature and everybody including oneself.
Merely your unevidenced bullshit belief.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person,
a group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing their
doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the
things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary
god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never
hurt anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any
kind of ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to
have and to act on without you being consciously and mentally aware
of them. Your action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It
will be what you are supposed to do as a common man.
Well I do believe it is natural and ingrained (no thinking necessary)
for most people to be moral, and there's no need for a god.
God is all natural and ingrained.
Everything is all natural. The unnatural can not exist. Whatever
exists, exists within nature.
No. It's never natural to sin.
Therefore, natural things like people cannot sin.
Until they learned to be unnatural by separating themselves from nature.
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Sin is always against nature and everybody including oneself.
Merely your unevidenced bullshit belief.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person,
a group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to
some action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity
exacted punishment on previous inhabitants of their land,
causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them
what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and
compassion the things necessary for moral behavior; and don't
need some imaginary god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need
empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of
Jesus Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion
to never hurt anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need
to be any kind of ideas in your mind. They will be the most
natural things to have and to act on without you being
consciously and mentally aware of them. Your action will not be
an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you are
supposed to do as a common man.
Well I do believe it is natural and ingrained (no thinking
necessary) for most people to be moral, and there's no need for a
god.
God is all natural and ingrained.
Everything is all natural. The unnatural can not exist. Whatever
exists, exists within nature.
No. It's never natural to sin. Sin is always against nature and
everybody including oneself.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person,
a group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to
some action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity
exacted punishment on previous inhabitants of their land,
causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them
what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and
compassion the things necessary for moral behavior; and don't
need some imaginary god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need
empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of
Jesus Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion
to never hurt anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need
to be any kind of ideas in your mind. They will be the most
natural things to have and to act on without you being
consciously and mentally aware of them. Your action will not be
an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you are
supposed to do as a common man.
Well I do believe it is natural and ingrained (no thinking
necessary) for most people to be moral, and there's no need for a
god.
God is all natural and ingrained.
Everything is all natural. The unnatural can not exist. Whatever
exists, exists within nature.
No. It's never natural to sin. Sin is always against nature and
everybody including oneself.
Sez who?
Says the insatiable human desire.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
Well I do believe it is natural and ingrained (no thinking necessary)
for most people to be moral, and there's no need for a god.
If it's ingrained, it's because our parents and our world around us shaped it.
Morality is not automatic, it is learned. What might be moral behavior for a Chinese peasant 2000 years ago might not be much like the morality of a Hebrew peasant 3000 years ago.

I do think that much of it is obvious, treat people honestly and respectfully and usually, you get honesty and respect in return. There will always be assholes, people who respect nothing, especially themselves.

I maintain that there is an objective code of morality, based on reason and the needs of human beings as human beings. A moral code should not include making a crime of something that is intrinsic to being human. It should take into account what is necessary for all human beings and make sure that the powers that be do not make law that prohibits humans from being able to pursue their lives.

Not all humans have been taught empathy and some never learn, but for most of us it does seem obvious that if we see something that we would not want happening to us, then it probably shouldn't happen to others at least not without cause.

The right to one's own mind and the free use thereof.
The right to be able to own other forms of property and to be able to trade with fellow humans freely.
The right to buy whatever one can afford so long as it is being sold freely and without coercion.
It shouldn't tell you that you have no right to expect happiness, it should teach you that there is no more important person to your life than yourself, until and unless you choose differently.
A decent moral code should give one guidance and teach how to become the best kind of moral person you can be.

If humans do not stop down and THINK about their moral code, they are likely to come by it by osmosis and usually with dire consequences.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
Empathy and compassion ARE ALREADY not something I have to be
consciously aware of. They are just as automatic as paddling a kayak,
washing the dishes, bottling beer, etc., you don't have to think about
it, you just do it. The "lizard brain" already has it covered.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
Empathy and compassion ARE ALREADY not something I have to be
consciously aware of. They are just as automatic as paddling a kayak,
washing the dishes, bottling beer, etc., you don't have to think about
it, you just do it. The "lizard brain" already has it covered.
No. It's not as easy as it seems. We can easily have empathy and
compassion for people we like or things we sympathize, but we often
can't have enough empathy and compassion for people we don't like or
things we would rather disagree. When we have prejudgment about those
kind of people or things, it would be hard for us to find any sympathy
for them. We would consider them deserving to be treated badly, and it
could be rather true. So we hardened our mind and ignored our empathy
and compassion for those people. The problem is we have made our empathy
and compassion to serve ourselves. We have not served our empathy and
compassion as we are supposed to do, and as we have promised to God that
we would do.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the
things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary
god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and
to act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them.
Your action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be
what you are supposed to do as a common man.
Empathy and compassion ARE ALREADY not something I have to be
consciously aware of. They are just as automatic as paddling a kayak,
washing the dishes, bottling beer, etc., you don't have to think about
it, you just do it. The "lizard brain" already has it covered.
No. It's not as easy as it seems. We can easily have empathy and
compassion for people we like or things we sympathize, but we often
can't have enough empathy and compassion for people we don't like or
things we would rather disagree. When we have prejudgment about those
kind of people or things, it would be hard for us to find any sympathy
for them. We would consider them deserving to be treated badly, and it
could be rather true. So we hardened our mind and ignored our empathy
and compassion for those people. The problem is we have made our empathy
and compassion to serve ourselves. We have not served our empathy and
compassion as we are supposed to do, and as we have promised to God that
we would do.
Much as you come here to try to treat us badly.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the
things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary
god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and
to act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them.
Your action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be
what you are supposed to do as a common man.
Empathy and compassion ARE ALREADY not something I have to be
consciously aware of. They are just as automatic as paddling a kayak,
washing the dishes, bottling beer, etc., you don't have to think about
it, you just do it. The "lizard brain" already has it covered.
No. It's not as easy as it seems. We can easily have empathy and
compassion for people we like or things we sympathize, but we often
can't have enough empathy and compassion for people we don't like or
things we would rather disagree. When we have prejudgment about those
kind of people or things, it would be hard for us to find any sympathy
for them. We would consider them deserving to be treated badly, and it
could be rather true. So we hardened our mind and ignored our empathy
and compassion for those people. The problem is we have made our empathy
and compassion to serve ourselves. We have not served our empathy and
compassion as we are supposed to do, and as we have promised to God that
we would do.
Much as you come here to try to treat us badly.
No. I'm treating you as I would treat myself, had I been in your
situation. It's not always good enough, but it's my personal effort.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the
things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary
god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never
hurt anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any
kind of ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to
have and to act on without you being consciously and mentally aware
of them. Your action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It
will be what you are supposed to do as a common man.
Empathy and compassion ARE ALREADY not something I have to be
consciously aware of. They are just as automatic as paddling a kayak,
washing the dishes, bottling beer, etc., you don't have to think
about it, you just do it. The "lizard brain" already has it covered.
No. It's not as easy as it seems. We can easily have empathy and
compassion for people we like or things we sympathize, but we often
can't have enough empathy and compassion for people we don't like or
things we would rather disagree. When we have prejudgment about those
kind of people or things, it would be hard for us to find any sympathy
for them. We would consider them deserving to be treated badly, and it
could be rather true. So we hardened our mind and ignored our empathy
and compassion for those people. The problem is we have made our
empathy and compassion to serve ourselves. We have not served our
empathy and compassion as we are supposed to do, and as we have
promised to God that we would do.
Much as you come here to try to treat us badly.
No. I'm treating you as I would treat myself,
Then you won't mind being treated to many posts about flubdescrunts.
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had I been in your situation.
What situation would that be?
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It's not always good enough, but it's my personal effort.
A wasted effort that won't get you any hebben points.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a
person, a group of people, or everyone by a deity in
response to some action. Many cultures have a story
about how a deity exacted punishment on previous
inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell
them what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy
and compassion the things necessary for moral behavior;
and don't need some imaginary god to tell them what they
already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't
need commandments, you don't need holy books, you just
need empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally,
That's morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love
of Jesus Christ, you will always have the empathy and
compassion to never hurt anyone. Your empathy and
compassion will not need to be any kind of ideas in your
mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of
them. Your action will not be an act to demonstrate
something. It will be what you are supposed to do as a
common man.
Empathy and compassion ARE ALREADY not something I have to
be consciously aware of. They are just as automatic as
paddling a kayak, washing the dishes, bottling beer, etc.,
you don't have to think about it, you just do it. The
"lizard brain" already has it covered.
No. It's not as easy as it seems. We can easily have empathy
and compassion for people we like or things we sympathize, but
we often can't have enough empathy and compassion for people we
don't like or things we would rather disagree. When we have
prejudgment about those kind of people or things, it would be
hard for us to find any sympathy for them. We would consider
them deserving to be treated badly, and it could be rather
true. So we hardened our mind and ignored our empathy and
compassion for those people. The problem is we have made our
empathy and compassion to serve ourselves. We have not served
our empathy and compassion as we are supposed to do, and as we
have promised to God that we would do.
Much as you come here to try to treat us badly.
No. I'm treating you as I would treat myself,
Then you won't mind being treated to many posts about flubdescrunts.
Can I stop you from doing that?
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had I been in your situation.
What situation would that be?
Being a spiritual blind.
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It's not always good enough, but it's my personal effort.
A wasted effort that won't get you any hebben points.
No. I do get constant reward as inspirations from God.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a
person, a group of people, or everyone by a deity in
response to some action. Many cultures have a story
about how a deity exacted punishment on previous
inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell
them what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy
and compassion the things necessary for moral behavior;
and don't need some imaginary god to tell them what they
already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't
need commandments, you don't need holy books, you just
need empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally,
That's morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love
of Jesus Christ, you will always have the empathy and
compassion to never hurt anyone. Your empathy and
compassion will not need to be any kind of ideas in your
mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of
them. Your action will not be an act to demonstrate
something. It will be what you are supposed to do as a
common man.
Empathy and compassion ARE ALREADY not something I have to
be consciously aware of. They are just as automatic as
paddling a kayak, washing the dishes, bottling beer, etc.,
you don't have to think about it, you just do it. The
"lizard brain" already has it covered.
No. It's not as easy as it seems. We can easily have empathy
and compassion for people we like or things we sympathize, but
we often can't have enough empathy and compassion for people we
don't like or things we would rather disagree. When we have
prejudgment about those kind of people or things, it would be
hard for us to find any sympathy for them. We would consider
them deserving to be treated badly, and it could be rather
true. So we hardened our mind and ignored our empathy and
compassion for those people. The problem is we have made our
empathy and compassion to serve ourselves. We have not served
our empathy and compassion as we are supposed to do, and as we
have promised to God that we would do.
Much as you come here to try to treat us badly.
No. I'm treating you as I would treat myself,
Then you won't mind being treated to many posts about flubdescrunts.
Can I stop you from doing that?
By leaving and never coming back.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a
person, a group of people, or everyone by a deity in
response to some action. Many cultures have a story
about how a deity exacted punishment on previous
inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell
them what to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy
and compassion the things necessary for moral behavior;
and don't need some imaginary god to tell them what they
already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is
morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't
need commandments, you don't need holy books, you just
need empathy and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally,
That's morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love
of Jesus Christ, you will always have the empathy and
compassion to never hurt anyone. Your empathy and
compassion will not need to be any kind of ideas in your
mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of
them. Your action will not be an act to demonstrate
something. It will be what you are supposed to do as a
common man.
Empathy and compassion ARE ALREADY not something I have to
be consciously aware of. They are just as automatic as
paddling a kayak, washing the dishes, bottling beer, etc.,
you don't have to think about it, you just do it. The
"lizard brain" already has it covered.
No. It's not as easy as it seems. We can easily have empathy
and compassion for people we like or things we sympathize, but
we often can't have enough empathy and compassion for people we
don't like or things we would rather disagree. When we have
prejudgment about those kind of people or things, it would be
hard for us to find any sympathy for them. We would consider
them deserving to be treated badly, and it could be rather
true. So we hardened our mind and ignored our empathy and
compassion for those people. The problem is we have made our
empathy and compassion to serve ourselves. We have not served
our empathy and compassion as we are supposed to do, and as we
have promised to God that we would do.
Much as you come here to try to treat us badly.
No. I'm treating you as I would treat myself,
Then you won't mind being treated to many posts about flubdescrunts.
Can I stop you from doing that?
By leaving and never coming back.
Is that the only way for you to win any usenet debate?
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What "usenet debate"? Are you under the incorrect assumption that there's a debate going on here?

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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a
group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing their
doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what
to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion
the things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some
imaginary god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy
and compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
Post by default
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of
Jesus Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to
never hurt anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be
any kind of ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural
things to have and to act on without you being consciously and
mentally aware of them. Your action will not be an act to
demonstrate something. It will be what you are supposed to do as a
common man.
Empathy and compassion ARE ALREADY not something I have to be
consciously aware of. They are just as automatic as paddling a
kayak, washing the dishes, bottling beer, etc., you don't have to
think about it, you just do it. The "lizard brain" already has it
covered.
No. It's not as easy as it seems. We can easily have empathy and
compassion for people we like or things we sympathize, but we often
can't have enough empathy and compassion for people we don't like or
things we would rather disagree. When we have prejudgment about
those kind of people or things, it would be hard for us to find any
sympathy for them. We would consider them deserving to be treated
badly, and it could be rather true. So we hardened our mind and
ignored our empathy and compassion for those people. The problem is
we have made our empathy and compassion to serve ourselves. We have
not served our empathy and compassion as we are supposed to do, and
as we have promised to God that we would do.
Much as you come here to try to treat us badly.
No. I'm treating you as I would treat myself,
Then you won't mind being treated to many posts about flubdescrunts.
Can I stop you from doing that?
I didn't ask if you could stop me. I asked if you would mind
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had I been in your situation.
What situation would that be?
Being a spiritual blind.
Before you became insane.
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It's not always good enough, but it's my personal effort.
A wasted effort that won't get you any hebben points.
No. I do get constant reward as inspirations from God.
As I said, hebben points.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
No. You just need the love of Jesus Christ.
What the fuck you are up to?
Next you would want him to tithe regularly?

If you aim is to extract money, just come up with a new sect....
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If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
It's even easier than that. If you follow and obey the love of Jesus
Christ, you will always have the empathy and compassion to never hurt
anyone. Your empathy and compassion will not need to be any kind of
ideas in your mind. They will be the most natural things to have and to
act on without you being consciously and mentally aware of them. Your
action will not be an act to demonstrate something. It will be what you
are supposed to do as a common man.
What a stupid excuse you are trying to come up....
The MOAB was dropped on the heads of ISIS, regardless if there were innocent children and women. And there is no Allah to protect them.

On the other hand, ISIS sympathizers carried out terrorism and no Jesus was able to protect the victims.

All these demonstrate to sane people that there is no pixie to do anything, yet the moron theists refuse to accept this reality. Is you head so fucked up that you even refuse to live naturally?
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2017-04-15 05:37:12 UTC
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like, for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating, but it is definitely necessary.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like, for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating, but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.

Nice to have you back.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like,
for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating,
but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.
Risk v harm v hurt? You are not harming a child with a vaccination.
Unless there is a known medical condition or reason not to vaccinate.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like,
for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating,
but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.
Risk v harm v hurt? You are not harming a child with a vaccination.
Unless there is a known medical condition or reason not to vaccinate.
Morality is about doing no harm. Accidents can happen, the best
intentions can go awry, but that doesn't make the action immoral.

The vaccination stings, and that literally "hurts," but the reason for
doing it is to avoid way more serious harm.

Risk is another matter too - and with profit driven corporations and
greed driven corporate officers, that's becoming something of a crap
shoot.

Celebrex anyone?
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Nice to have you back.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like,
for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating,
but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.
Risk v harm v hurt? You are not harming a child with a vaccination.
Unless there is a known medical condition or reason not to vaccinate.
Morality is about doing no harm. Accidents can happen, the best
intentions can go awry, but that doesn't make the action immoral.
The path to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.

However good your intentions, the failure to give due consideration to
the possible ramifications and consequences of your actions may make the
very act immoral. "I meant well" is not an excuse, and never has been.

By the same token, an act that causes harm but results in good is not
moral either.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like,
for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating,
but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.
Risk v harm v hurt? You are not harming a child with a vaccination.
Unless there is a known medical condition or reason not to vaccinate.
Morality is about doing no harm. Accidents can happen, the best
intentions can go awry, but that doesn't make the action immoral.
The path to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.
However good your intentions, the failure to give due consideration to
the possible ramifications and consequences of your actions may make the
very act immoral. "I meant well" is not an excuse, and never has been.
By the same token, an act that causes harm but results in good is not
moral either.
Don't over-think it > that way insanity lies. No matter what you do
something unexpected can happen, that's just the way things are, you
do the best you can, if you anticipate a problem you have plans, B, C,
etc. waiting in the wings.

But this doesn't change morality one iota.

That is one of my gripes about religion - they all have this super
book of rules, presumably The Book covers every eventuality. Yet
these are people and (like you have already demonstrated) they can be
counted on to nit-pick or search for faults and loopholes.

But that doesn't change what is moral and what isn't.

"do no harm" easy peasy

If you want to argue for the sake of argument, join a religion,
because I'm not going to waste my time with you.
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Unagi means eel.......ancient Chinese worshipped the Serpent God....snakes look like eels....by the power of labeling drum roll.....I'm an idiot 馬鹿野郎だよね‼️
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like,
for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating,
but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.
Risk v harm v hurt? You are not harming a child with a vaccination.
Unless there is a known medical condition or reason not to vaccinate.
Morality is about doing no harm. Accidents can happen, the best
intentions can go awry, but that doesn't make the action immoral.
The path to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.
However good your intentions, the failure to give due consideration to
the possible ramifications and consequences of your actions may make the
very act immoral. "I meant well" is not an excuse, and never has been.
By the same token, an act that causes harm but results in good is not
moral either.
Don't over-think it > that way insanity lies. No matter what you do
something unexpected can happen, that's just the way things are, you
do the best you can, if you anticipate a problem you have plans, B, C,
etc. waiting in the wings.
But this doesn't change morality one iota.
That is one of my gripes about religion - they all have this super
book of rules, presumably The Book covers every eventuality. Yet
these are people and (like you have already demonstrated) they can be
counted on to nit-pick or search for faults and loopholes.
But that doesn't change what is moral and what isn't.
"do no harm" easy peasy
If you want to argue for the sake of argument, join a religion,
because I'm not going to waste my time with you.
“Do not do unto others as you would that they should do unto you.
Their tastes may not be the same” - George Bernard Shaw
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a
group of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some
action. Many cultures have a story about how a deity exacted
punishment on previous inhabitants of their land, causing their
doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what
to do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the
things necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary
god to tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's
morality in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like,
for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her
vaccinating, but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.
Risk v harm v hurt? You are not harming a child with a vaccination.
Unless there is a known medical condition or reason not to vaccinate.
Morality is about doing no harm. Accidents can happen, the best
intentions can go awry, but that doesn't make the action immoral.
The path to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.
However good your intentions, the failure to give due consideration to
the possible ramifications and consequences of your actions may make the
very act immoral. "I meant well" is not an excuse, and never has been.
By the same token, an act that causes harm but results in good is not
moral either.
Don't over-think it > that way insanity lies. No matter what you do
something unexpected can happen, that's just the way things are, you do
the best you can, if you anticipate a problem you have plans, B, C,
etc. waiting in the wings.
IOW, shit happens.
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The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like,
for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating,
but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.
Risk v harm v hurt? You are not harming a child with a vaccination.
Unless there is a known medical condition or reason not to vaccinate.
Morality is about doing no harm. Accidents can happen, the best
intentions can go awry, but that doesn't make the action immoral.
The path to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.
However good your intentions, the failure to give due consideration to
the possible ramifications and consequences of your actions may make the
very act immoral. "I meant well" is not an excuse, and never has been.
By the same token, an act that causes harm but results in good is not
moral either.
Don't over-think it > that way insanity lies. No matter what you do
something unexpected can happen, that's just the way things are, you
do the best you can, if you anticipate a problem you have plans, B, C,
etc. waiting in the wings.
But this doesn't change morality one iota.
That is one of my gripes about religion - they all have this super
book of rules, presumably The Book covers every eventuality. Yet
these are people and (like you have already demonstrated) they can be
counted on to nit-pick or search for faults and loopholes.
But that doesn't change what is moral and what isn't.
"do no harm" easy peasy
If you want to argue for the sake of argument, join a religion,
because I'm not going to waste my time with you.
I am not trying to argue just for the sake of it (not this time). I
really do want to know where you draw the line.

Does it only apply to people and situations where I am directly
involved? Should we extend this moral approach to those of our own
culture or country? What about those in other countries, on other
continents? What about harm that is measurable on the aggregate scale
but is minuscule on the individual level, such as pollution from cars or
our collective insistence to keep healthcare costs sky-high because of
our personal lifestyle choices?

In the past, there may not have been practical ways of "doing no harm"
by action or omission when it came to those in far-flung lands. Today,
there are systems in place where this excuse is no longer given. So
when Doctors Without Frontiers come calling for donations, is my refusal
to donate not a direct act of harming those who need medical services?
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like,
for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating,
but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.
Risk v harm v hurt? You are not harming a child with a vaccination.
Unless there is a known medical condition or reason not to vaccinate.
Morality is about doing no harm. Accidents can happen, the best
intentions can go awry, but that doesn't make the action immoral.
The path to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.
However good your intentions, the failure to give due consideration to
the possible ramifications and consequences of your actions may make the
very act immoral. "I meant well" is not an excuse, and never has been.
By the same token, an act that causes harm but results in good is not
moral either.
Don't over-think it > that way insanity lies. No matter what you do
something unexpected can happen, that's just the way things are, you
do the best you can, if you anticipate a problem you have plans, B, C,
etc. waiting in the wings.
But this doesn't change morality one iota.
That is one of my gripes about religion - they all have this super
book of rules, presumably The Book covers every eventuality. Yet
these are people and (like you have already demonstrated) they can be
counted on to nit-pick or search for faults and loopholes.
But that doesn't change what is moral and what isn't.
"do no harm" easy peasy
If you want to argue for the sake of argument, join a religion,
because I'm not going to waste my time with you.
I am not trying to argue just for the sake of it (not this time). I
really do want to know where you draw the line.
Does it only apply to people and situations where I am directly
involved? Should we extend this moral approach to those of our own
culture or country? What about those in other countries, on other
continents? What about harm that is measurable on the aggregate scale
but is minuscule on the individual level, such as pollution from cars or
our collective insistence to keep healthcare costs sky-high because of
our personal lifestyle choices?
In the past, there may not have been practical ways of "doing no harm"
by action or omission when it came to those in far-flung lands. Today,
there are systems in place where this excuse is no longer given. So
when Doctors Without Frontiers come calling for donations, is my refusal
to donate not a direct act of harming those who need medical services?
Do no harm. It isn't limited to political boundaries.

But I'm not going to be drawn into a nit picking discussion.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like,
for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating,
but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.
Risk v harm v hurt? You are not harming a child with a vaccination.
Unless there is a known medical condition or reason not to vaccinate.
Morality is about doing no harm. Accidents can happen, the best
intentions can go awry, but that doesn't make the action immoral.
The path to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.
However good your intentions, the failure to give due consideration to
the possible ramifications and consequences of your actions may make the
very act immoral. "I meant well" is not an excuse, and never has been.
By the same token, an act that causes harm but results in good is not
moral either.
Don't over-think it > that way insanity lies. No matter what you do
something unexpected can happen, that's just the way things are, you
do the best you can, if you anticipate a problem you have plans, B, C,
etc. waiting in the wings.
But this doesn't change morality one iota.
That is one of my gripes about religion - they all have this super
book of rules, presumably The Book covers every eventuality. Yet
these are people and (like you have already demonstrated) they can be
counted on to nit-pick or search for faults and loopholes.
But that doesn't change what is moral and what isn't.
"do no harm" easy peasy
If you want to argue for the sake of argument, join a religion,
because I'm not going to waste my time with you.
I am not trying to argue just for the sake of it (not this time). I
really do want to know where you draw the line.
Does it only apply to people and situations where I am directly
involved? Should we extend this moral approach to those of our own
culture or country? What about those in other countries, on other
continents? What about harm that is measurable on the aggregate scale
but is minuscule on the individual level, such as pollution from cars or
our collective insistence to keep healthcare costs sky-high because of
our personal lifestyle choices?
In the past, there may not have been practical ways of "doing no harm"
by action or omission when it came to those in far-flung lands. Today,
there are systems in place where this excuse is no longer given. So
when Doctors Without Frontiers come calling for donations, is my refusal
to donate not a direct act of harming those who need medical services?
Do no harm. It isn't limited to political boundaries.
But I'm not going to be drawn into a nit picking discussion.
So by not vaccinating my child which has no medical conditions which would
prevent the vaccination, I lower the herd immunity, and put lots of
children which do have a medical condition which prohibits vaccination at
risk of harm.

The lower the herd immunity the greater risk of harm to all.

Where do you draw the line?
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like,
for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating,
but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.
Risk v harm v hurt? You are not harming a child with a vaccination.
Unless there is a known medical condition or reason not to vaccinate.
Morality is about doing no harm. Accidents can happen, the best
intentions can go awry, but that doesn't make the action immoral.
The path to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say.
However good your intentions, the failure to give due consideration to
the possible ramifications and consequences of your actions may make the
very act immoral. "I meant well" is not an excuse, and never has been.
By the same token, an act that causes harm but results in good is not
moral either.
Don't over-think it > that way insanity lies. No matter what you do
something unexpected can happen, that's just the way things are, you
do the best you can, if you anticipate a problem you have plans, B, C,
etc. waiting in the wings.
But this doesn't change morality one iota.
That is one of my gripes about religion - they all have this super
book of rules, presumably The Book covers every eventuality. Yet
these are people and (like you have already demonstrated) they can be
counted on to nit-pick or search for faults and loopholes.
But that doesn't change what is moral and what isn't.
"do no harm" easy peasy
If you want to argue for the sake of argument, join a religion,
because I'm not going to waste my time with you.
I am not trying to argue just for the sake of it (not this time). I
really do want to know where you draw the line.
Does it only apply to people and situations where I am directly
involved? Should we extend this moral approach to those of our own
culture or country? What about those in other countries, on other
continents? What about harm that is measurable on the aggregate scale
but is minuscule on the individual level, such as pollution from cars or
our collective insistence to keep healthcare costs sky-high because of
our personal lifestyle choices?
In the past, there may not have been practical ways of "doing no harm"
by action or omission when it came to those in far-flung lands. Today,
there are systems in place where this excuse is no longer given. So
when Doctors Without Frontiers come calling for donations, is my refusal
to donate not a direct act of harming those who need medical services?
Do no harm. It isn't limited to political boundaries.
But I'm not going to be drawn into a nit picking discussion.
So by not vaccinating my child which has no medical conditions which would
prevent the vaccination, I lower the herd immunity, and put lots of
children which do have a medical condition which prohibits vaccination at
risk of harm.
The lower the herd immunity the greater risk of harm to all.
Vaccinate or don't.

It may be sheer stupidity to avoid vaccination but being moral doesn't
necessarily mean being smart - those are two different things.

It isn't like drug companies make drugs for altruistic reasons, they
don't care about all those good sounding "mission statements" etc.,
that's just PR bullshit intending to increase profits and allay
suspicion or fear.

I'm waiting for one of those none vaccinating whack jobs to be right,
because I know damn well someone somewhere will try to save a penny a
dose, tweak a manufacturing protocol a bit, and pump out a vaccine
that will do harm to people, then the idiots will rise up in righteous
splendor and crow about how they told us so. It would be nice if
people made good decisions as well as moral ones, but you won't find
me holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

I'm of the opinion that the herd needs culling - preferably through
birth control and as a matter of choice. But nature will, if we
won't.
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Where do you draw the line?
I don't, drawing lines is how boxes are made.
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In the past, there may not have been practical ways of "doing no harm"
by action or omission when it came to those in far-flung lands. Today,
there are systems in place where this excuse is no longer given. So
when Doctors Without Frontiers come calling for donations, is my refusal
to donate not a direct act of harming those who need medical services?
If you think you have a duty to the 7 billion people on the planet
to see to their care when they cannot, you will be morally compelled
to live as an ascetic and donate your surplus to charity. That still
won't solve he problem, because resources, while not finite, grow too
slowly to match wants, which can be infinite. I won't speak to needs
as people disagree as to what they are. This is an impractical goal.

Take care of yourself and those you have assumed a duty to help. Others
will force duties on you that may be impractical or even impossible
to avoid. (Taxes, theft, court judgments -just or unjust, conscription.)

Let charitable giving be an expression of your benevolence towards
your fellow human. Give to MSF or the Red Cross or whoever because
they are working to make the world the kind of place where we'd like
to live. Remember it is a gift and not a tax. You are not obligated.

On the state to state level, the US should follow JQ Adams' advice;

A quote by John Quincy Adams,

[quote]

America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among
them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the
hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.
She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often
to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and
of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without
a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while
asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference
in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to
which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has
seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama
the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging
right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall
be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But
she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher
to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator
only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of
her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that
by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the
banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power
of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual
avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard
of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change
from liberty to force. The frontlet on her brows would no longer beam with
the ineffable splendor of freedom and independence; but in its stead would
soon be substituted an imperial diadem, flashing in false and tarnished
lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the
dictatress of the world; she would be no longer the ruler of her own
spirit.... Her glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march
of the mind. - Address to Congress, Independence day 1821.


John Quincy Adams - address as Secretary of State to the House of Representatives (4 July 1821) [quote

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Do no harm. It isn't limited to political boundaries.
But I'm not going to be drawn into a nit picking discussion.
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In the past, there may not have been practical ways of "doing no harm"
by action or omission when it came to those in far-flung lands. Today,
there are systems in place where this excuse is no longer given. So
when Doctors Without Frontiers come calling for donations, is my refusal
to donate not a direct act of harming those who need medical services?
If you think you have a duty to the 7 billion people on the planet
to see to their care when they cannot, you will be morally compelled
to live as an ascetic and donate your surplus to charity. That still
won't solve he problem, because resources, while not finite, grow too
slowly to match wants, which can be infinite. I won't speak to needs
as people disagree as to what they are. This is an impractical goal.
I hope you don't think I'm advocating for personal responsibility for
the lives of others? That is impractical, and never crossed my mind.
The 7 billion should be taking care of themselves individually -
morality too is an individual responsibility.

The needs of people vary, no one or any group, is in a position to
determine what those needs are.

We were programmed with a lot of survival traits that are opposed to
moral behavior, but to survive in such large numbers morality becomes
a more important survival trait. We either decrease numbers and
embrace a more basic existence (which doesn't have to be a bad thing)
or learn to get along and fix our problems.

We seem to think that we can't become extinct through our own actions,
and that's simply not a good supposition for a creature with so much
capacity to destroy everything around it.
Post by Kevrob
Take care of yourself and those you have assumed a duty to help. Others
will force duties on you that may be impractical or even impossible
to avoid. (Taxes, theft, court judgments -just or unjust, conscription.)
Let charitable giving be an expression of your benevolence towards
your fellow human. Give to MSF or the Red Cross or whoever because
they are working to make the world the kind of place where we'd like
to live. Remember it is a gift and not a tax. You are not obligated.
I like your thinking.
Post by Kevrob
On the state to state level, the US should follow JQ Adams' advice;
A quote by John Quincy Adams,
[quote]
America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among
them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the
hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.
She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often
to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and
of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without
a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while
asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference
in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to
which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has
seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama
the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging
right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall
be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But
she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher
to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator
only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of
her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that
by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the
banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power
of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual
avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard
of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change
from liberty to force. The frontlet on her brows would no longer beam with
the ineffable splendor of freedom and independence; but in its stead would
soon be substituted an imperial diadem, flashing in false and tarnished
lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the
dictatress of the world; she would be no longer the ruler of her own
spirit.... Her glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march
of the mind. - Address to Congress, Independence day 1821.
John Quincy Adams - address as Secretary of State to the House of Representatives (4 July 1821) [quote
Kevin R
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Do no harm. It isn't limited to political boundaries.
But I'm not going to be drawn into a nit picking discussion.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like,
for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating,
but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.
Risk v harm v hurt? You are not harming a child with a vaccination.
Unless there is a known medical condition or reason not to vaccinate.
Morality is about doing no harm. Accidents can happen, the best
intentions can go awry, but that doesn't make the action immoral.
The vaccination stings, and that literally "hurts," but the reason for
doing it is to avoid way more serious harm.
Risk is another matter too - and with profit driven corporations and
greed driven corporate officers, that's becoming something of a crap
shoot.
Celebrex anyone?
Tetanus anybody?

How and blind-deafness as a result of measles?
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Nice to have you back.
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John Cleese on Stupidity
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like, for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating, but it is definitely necessary.
Mea Culpa - I used the word hurt, when I meant harm.
Nice to have you back.
Thanks. Gotta figure out more about making this program work easily, but I can manage at least until then.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Christians have no morals and expect their god to tell them what to
do. Normal people understand (feel) empathy and compassion the things
necessary for moral behavior; and don't need some imaginary god to
tell them what they already know.
If there's one things religions DON'T understand, it is morality.
The whole concept is simplicity in itself, you don't need
commandments, you don't need holy books, you just need empathy and
compassion.
If you hurt someone else you are behaving immorally, That's morality
in it's entirety. Wasn't that easy?
One addendum--It's hurting someone unnecessarily that's immoral. Like,
for instance, you're hurting your child when you get her vaccinating, but
it is definitely necessary.
I would say hurting, there is a degree of risk involved. With
vaccinations, like any medical act, there is a degree of risk. But then
there is a degree of risk with every act or non-action. To be risk free is
to be dead.
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John Cleese on Stupidity
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
The main thing religious people should fear is other religious people.
Christians and Muslims have long histories of atrocities.


Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
you should qualify that as some atheists actually do have morals.

the big puppeteer here who masquarades as an atheist sometimes does not have morals
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
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Fuck....are you trying to also engage the molesting priests as well in your post?
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Actually, it seems to me, that if your moral restraint is calculated to secure a positive afterlife outcome, then it isn't morality at all but a kind of deferred self-interest.
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Divine retribution is supernatural punishment of a person, a group
of people, or everyone by a deity in response to some action. Many
cultures have a story about how a deity exacted punishment on
previous inhabitants of their land, causing their doom.
Actually, it seems to me, that if your moral restraint is calculated to secure a positive afterlife outcome, then it isn't morality at all but a kind of deferred self-interest.
Anyone who requires the threat of divine retribution to be moral is not moral at all.
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