"Information" Evidence of a Super Intelligent Creator

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock

Liar.

Post by Andrew
1. No information can exist without a code.

We see all information exist without any code.
Laws of nature are not code.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

There is no code, just conditions for nature.

Post by Andrew
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.

Bullshit.

Post by Andrew
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.

Baloney.

Post by Andrew
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.

Again, shit stuff.

Post by Andrew
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.

Information can also exist in a solid state. Your wedding ring has information.

Post by Andrew
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a material quantity.

Information is both a mental and a material.

Post by Andrew
8. No information can exist without a will.

Information exists without a need for a will.

Post by Andrew
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.

Of course you are wrong as ever.

Post by Andrew
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?

Nature under the right conditions can give rise to life....no creator is needed.
Otherwise, there should be more creation for us to see.

Post by Andrew
Absolutely no way.

You are absolutely stupid.

Post by Andrew
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Sorry, but atheism is growing day by day.
Your silly loony attitude is favouring its growth.

Ralph

2015-04-28 14:50:34 UTC

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

Christopher A. Lee

2015-04-28 15:33:54 UTC

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock

A dishonest, out-of-context quote.

Post by Andrew
1. No information can exist without a code.

A deliberate lie, because this has been corrected over and over again.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

Only if he equivocates,

Post by Andrew
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.

Complete and utter nonsense.

Post by Andrew
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.

Wrong.

Post by Andrew
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.

Mindless stupidity.

Post by Andrew
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.

What is an "information chain"?

Post by Andrew
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;

Lie.

Post by Andrew
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a material quantity.

Lie.

Post by Andrew
8. No information can exist without a will.

Lie.

Post by Andrew
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.

What "theorems"?

Post by Andrew
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?

Asked and answered over and over again.

Post by Andrew
Absolutely no way.

The proven serial liar knows that he has been given examples from
abiogenesis research, for example Sidney' Fox's proto cells which
reproduced and over subsequent generations evolved nucleic acids.

He has also been given cdk007's excellent and easily understand video
on the subject.

Post by Andrew
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

The hypocrite has never once shown any honesty, and he accuses those
who _are_ honest, of being dishonest.

Post by Ralph
Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The button-pushing, proven serial liar knows there is nothing
whatsoever about atheism to make it "dead".

That would be like saying "not believing in Father Christmas" is dead.

Gordon

2015-04-28 16:16:35 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The human mind couldn't comprehend the creation of the Creator even if
it could somehow be put into words.

Contemplate a fractal pattern in the sandy beach around an island.
Where does it begin and where does it end? Now, take that on to an
n-dimensional fractal pattern. Where does it begin and where does it
end?

raven1

2015-04-28 17:10:04 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The human mind couldn't comprehend the creation of the Creator even if
it could somehow be put into words.

Yet for some reason, you continue..

Post by Gordon
Contemplate a fractal pattern in the sandy beach around an island.
Where does it begin and where does it end? Now, take that on to an
n-dimensional fractal pattern. Where does it begin and where does it
end?

Gordon

2015-04-28 17:28:45 UTC

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:10:04 -0400, raven1

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The human mind couldn't comprehend the creation of the Creator even if
it could somehow be put into words.

Yet for some reason, you continue..

I was just passing along a similar line of thinking which clearly
shows that the human mind can't comprehend things which go beyond our
space/time.

Christopher A. Lee

2015-04-28 18:35:20 UTC

Post by Gordon
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:10:04 -0400, raven1

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The human mind couldn't comprehend the creation of the Creator even if
it could somehow be put into words.

Yet for some reason, you continue..

I was just passing along a similar line of thinking which clearly
shows that the human mind can't comprehend things which go beyond our
space/time.

No, moron.

You pretend there are things you know about beyond "our space/time".

When you cannot justify them even though you rudely and stupidly
presume them.

If the in-your-face moron had demonstrated that his pretend friend
were as real as grains if sand then he might have had a point.

Even if he missed the fact that sandy beaches don't form fractal
patterns because you can't go smaller than one of the grains.

Gordon

2015-05-02 14:20:29 UTC

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:35:20 -0500, Christopher A. Lee

Post by Gordon
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:10:04 -0400, raven1

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The human mind couldn't comprehend the creation of the Creator even if
it could somehow be put into words.

Yet for some reason, you continue..

I was just passing along a similar line of thinking which clearly
shows that the human mind can't comprehend things which go beyond our
space/time.

No, moron.
You pretend there are things you know about beyond "our space/time".
When you cannot justify them even though you rudely and stupidly
presume them.

There is a difference between "know" and "have faith in", but I
suppose you have this blocked from your mind-set.

If the in-your-face moron had demonstrated that his pretend friend
were as real as grains if sand then he might have had a point.
Even if he missed the fact that sandy beaches don't form fractal
patterns because you can't go smaller than one of the grains.

Maybe you should study the information given on these web sites.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=fractals+in+nature&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IESR02

Christopher A. Lee

2015-05-02 14:50:35 UTC

Post by Gordon
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:35:20 -0500, Christopher A. Lee

Post by Gordon
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:10:04 -0400, raven1

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The human mind couldn't comprehend the creation of the Creator even if
it could somehow be put into words.

Yet for some reason, you continue..

I was just passing along a similar line of thinking which clearly
shows that the human mind can't comprehend things which go beyond our
space/time.

No, moron.
You pretend there are things you know about beyond "our space/time".
When you cannot justify them even though you rudely and stupidly
presume them.

There is a difference between "know" and "have faith in", but I
suppose you have this blocked from your mind-set.

The usual lie used as the ad hominem to cop out of backing up his
bullshit - a standard tactic of charlatans.

Why do you expect personal lies rather than addressing points, to
convince anybody that what you say is anything other than mindless
bullshit?

If the in-your-face moron had demonstrated that his pretend friend
were as real as grains if sand then he might have had a point.

Well, in-your-face moron?

Instead of doing that, the dishonest little shit goes off on a red
herring with (deliberate?) transparent errors to divert from his
inability to defend his bullshit.

Post by Christopher A. Lee
Even if he missed the fact that sandy beaches don't form fractal
patterns because you can't go smaller than one of the grains.

Well, in-your-face moron?

Post by Gordon
Maybe you should study the information given on these web sites.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=fractals+in+nature&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IESR02

Not my job, imbecile.

YOU have to explain things, citing what YOU imagine supports your
explanation.

Instead of leaving us to find what you imagine supports you.

And YOU have to respond - but you want the discussion to stall so you
imagine you can cop out of doing what you have never once attempted to
do, ie answer the question you keep begging every time you rudely and
stupidly talk AT us as if your god were as "real" for us as it is for
you.

Have you been taking lessons from Mad Joe Bruno the Loono?

YOU either have to show where any of these sites say that the patterns
of sandy beaches have infinite regression, or to stop being so stupid.

But in any case, this was yet another of your dishonest red herrings
to avoid supporting your earlier nonsense.

Christopher A. Lee

2015-04-28 21:03:01 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The human mind couldn't comprehend the creation of the Creator even if
it could somehow be put into words.

WHAT FUCKING CREATOR, imbecile?

You invoke it for anything at all outside your religion then YOU HAVE
TO PROVE IT.

Which word are you still pretending is too long to understand, even
after all these years we have been pointing this out?

What's that got to do with anything, imbecile?

h***@gmail.com

2015-04-29 01:38:43 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The human mind couldn't comprehend the creation of the Creator even if
it could somehow be put into words.

So far as we know it, human mind is the most intelligent tool that the universe has. It is far more intelligent and creative than a made up Creator which is never been shown to exist.

There seems no end to delusion and you would of course say that water running downstream and not upwards is the work of your creator????

Stupidity also has no end, for the creationists.

Andrew

2015-04-29 04:47:18 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The human mind couldn't comprehend the creation of the Creator even
if it could somehow be put into words.

So far as we know it, human mind is the most intelligent tool that the
universe has.

"The human brain is the most complex and orderly organization
of matter in the universe." ~ Isaac Asimov

"The human brain is a network of 10^ 11 neurons with 10^15
connections, making it the most complex system in the universe."
http://krieger.jhu.edu/mbi/research/

"The human brain has 100 billion neurons, each neuron connected
to 10 thousand other neurons. Sitting on your shoulders is the most
complicated object in the known universe." ~ Michio Kaku

Please note that the information processing activity in this vast neural
network gives rise to perception, memory, abstract thought, complex
behavior, and love. Which is more powerful evidence for creation by
a most awesome Creator, since there is no evolutionary pathway for
the existence of such a complex organ.

Kurt Kurt

2015-04-29 06:16:38 UTC

Nah, the human brain is LESS "complex", and has LESS "information" that a bucket of the chemicals it's made of. Elementary Algorithmic Information Theory.

The bucket of chemicals takes more disc space to describe, there's more information, and it is more complex.

Everyone gets that backwards on forums.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The human mind couldn't comprehend the creation of the Creator even
if it could somehow be put into words.

So far as we know it, human mind is the most intelligent tool that the
universe has.

"The human brain is the most complex and orderly organization
of matter in the universe." ~ Isaac Asimov
"The human brain is a network of 10^ 11 neurons with 10^15
connections, making it the most complex system in the universe."
http://krieger.jhu.edu/mbi/research/
"The human brain has 100 billion neurons, each neuron connected
to 10 thousand other neurons. Sitting on your shoulders is the most
complicated object in the known universe." ~ Michio Kaku
Please note that the information processing activity in this vast neural
network gives rise to perception, memory, abstract thought, complex
behavior, and love. Which is more powerful evidence for creation by
a most awesome Creator, since there is no evolutionary pathway for
the existence of such a complex organ.

JTEM

2015-04-29 07:15:58 UTC

Post by Kurt Kurt
Nah, the human brain is LESS "complex", and has LESS
"information" that a bucket of the chemicals it's made
of. Elementary Algorithmic Information Theory.

No, not necessarily.

Post by Kurt Kurt
The bucket of chemicals takes more disc space to
describe, there's more information, and it is more
complex.

This isn't even established in theory, let alone
practice.

Post by Kurt Kurt
Everyone gets that backwards on forums.

Or, alternatively, they get it right.

But even ignoring your PHILOSOPHICAL debate
dubbed "Science," there's still the ugly
specter of quantum biology.

-- --

http://referafriend.comcast.com/ShareTheAwesome/1RDNAP

Kurt Kurt

2015-04-29 07:25:36 UTC

You're talking to someone else with a segmented post. I never read them.

Post by JTEM

Post by Kurt Kurt
Nah, the human brain is LESS "complex", and has LESS
"information" that a bucket of the chemicals it's made
of. Elementary Algorithmic Information Theory.

No, not necessarily.

Post by Kurt Kurt
The bucket of chemicals takes more disc space to
describe, there's more information, and it is more
complex.

This isn't even established in theory, let alone
practice.

Post by Kurt Kurt
Everyone gets that backwards on forums.

Or, alternatively, they get it right.
But even ignoring your PHILOSOPHICAL debate
dubbed "Science," there's still the ugly
specter of quantum biology.
-- --
http://referafriend.comcast.com/ShareTheAwesome/1RDNAP

Tom McDonald

2015-04-29 09:45:16 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The human mind couldn't comprehend the creation of the Creator even
if it could somehow be put into words.

So far as we know it, human mind is the most intelligent tool that the
universe has.

"The human brain is the most complex and orderly organization
of matter in the universe." ~ Isaac Asimov
"The human brain is a network of 10^ 11 neurons with 10^15
connections, making it the most complex system in the universe."
http://krieger.jhu.edu/mbi/research/
"The human brain has 100 billion neurons, each neuron connected
to 10 thousand other neurons. Sitting on your shoulders is the most
complicated object in the known universe." ~ Michio Kaku
Please note that the information processing activity in this vast neural
network gives rise to perception, memory, abstract thought, complex
behavior, and love. Which is more powerful evidence for creation by
a most awesome Creator, since there is no evolutionary pathway for
the existence of such a complex organ.

Yet the layering of more advanced cognitive parts of the brain on more
primitive parts leads to a real, and increasingly well-understood,
conflict between the older, more instinct-based parts of the brain with
much more recent, more analytical parts. When life events do not require
instant response to danger, food or sex drives, the newer parts are more
important in decision making and thinking.

When they do, the reptilian brain kicks into dominance, and you get
fight-or-flight or eat-right-now or fuck-this-very-minute responses.
Advertisers, religious leaders and politicians take advantage of this
older, more primitive and more powerful brain to override conscious
thought with, mostly, fear.

This results in people making logical, reasoned decisions when accurate,
unbiased and relatively comprehensive information is made available to
it, and emotional triggers are not strong enough to override clear,
logical thought. Fine and dandy.

But when emotions are triggered. as with hair-on-fire political
propaganda and religious fear/reward speech, the reptilian brain
overrides and/or co-opts rational thought to make us do silly, even
self-destructive things.

As when people buy into the 'worship this particular god or burn forever
in my god's special eternal bad place'. This is extremely convincing for
those who have come to believe in the propaganda, but is totally
unconvincing for anyone who does not. Do you fear damnation to the
Muslim hell? No? Why not? More than a billion Muslims do. So you aren't
moved by arguments Muslims make based on fear and offers of reward.

Yet you are so convinced that *your* version of reward/punishment is
true that you even use the threat/promise of it on anyone who doesn't
share your faith. Case in point: quoting the bible to atheists.

You won't get it because your reptilian brain is programmed to go into
deny-and-fight overdrive at the thought you might be wrong. Thus, your
posting history here. But you've decided, either out of sincere desire
to save us or a cynical desire to fuck with us, that your best course of
action on aa is to spout shit you should know is as toothless for us as
Islamic theology is for you.

So, yeah, the human brain is complex and wonderful. But its the result
of evolution, not the creation of an omnipotent, omniscient, all-good god.

Smiler

2015-04-30 02:13:22 UTC

<snip>

Post by Tom McDonald

"The human brain is the most complex and orderly organization of matter
in the universe." ~ Isaac Asimov
"The human brain is a network of 10^ 11 neurons with 10^15 connections,
making it the most complex system in the universe."
http://krieger.jhu.edu/mbi/research/
"The human brain has 100 billion neurons, each neuron connected to 10
thousand other neurons. Sitting on your shoulders is the most
complicated object in the known universe." ~ Michio Kaku
Please note that the information processing activity in this vast
neural network gives rise to perception, memory, abstract thought,
complex behavior, and love. Which is more powerful evidence for
creation by a most awesome Creator, since there is no evolutionary
pathway for the existence of such a complex organ.

Yet the layering of more advanced cognitive parts of the brain on more
primitive parts leads to a real, and increasingly well-understood,
conflict between the older, more instinct-based parts of the brain with
much more recent, more analytical parts. When life events do not require
instant response to danger, food or sex drives, the newer parts are more
important in decision making and thinking.
When they do, the reptilian brain kicks into dominance, and you get
fight-or-flight or eat-right-now or fuck-this-very-minute responses.
Advertisers, religious leaders and politicians take advantage of this
older, more primitive and more powerful brain to override conscious
thought with, mostly, fear.
This results in people making logical, reasoned decisions when accurate,
unbiased and relatively comprehensive information is made available to
it, and emotional triggers are not strong enough to override clear,
logical thought. Fine and dandy.
But when emotions are triggered. as with hair-on-fire political
propaganda and religious fear/reward speech, the reptilian brain
overrides and/or co-opts rational thought to make us do silly, even
self-destructive things.
As when people buy into the 'worship this particular god or burn forever
in my god's special eternal bad place'. This is extremely convincing for
those who have come to believe in the propaganda, but is totally
unconvincing for anyone who does not. Do you fear damnation to the
Muslim hell? No? Why not? More than a billion Muslims do. So you aren't
moved by arguments Muslims make based on fear and offers of reward.
Yet you are so convinced that *your* version of reward/punishment is
true that you even use the threat/promise of it on anyone who doesn't
share your faith. Case in point: quoting the bible to atheists.
You won't get it because your reptilian brain is programmed to go into
deny-and-fight overdrive at the thought you might be wrong. Thus, your
posting history here. But you've decided, either out of sincere desire
to save us or a cynical desire to fuck with us, that your best course of
action on aa is to spout shit you should know is as toothless for us as
Islamic theology is for you.
So, yeah, the human brain is complex and wonderful. But its the result
of evolution, not the creation of an omnipotent, omniscient, all-good god.

--
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

h***@gmail.com

2015-04-30 10:05:11 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The human mind couldn't comprehend the creation of the Creator even
if it could somehow be put into words.

So far as we know it, human mind is the most intelligent tool that the
universe has.

"The human brain is the most complex and orderly organization
of matter in the universe." ~ Isaac Asimov
"The human brain is a network of 10^ 11 neurons with 10^15
connections, making it the most complex system in the universe."
http://krieger.jhu.edu/mbi/research/
"The human brain has 100 billion neurons, each neuron connected
to 10 thousand other neurons. Sitting on your shoulders is the most
complicated object in the known universe." ~ Michio Kaku
Please note that the information processing activity in this vast neural
network gives rise to perception, memory, abstract thought, complex
behavior, and love. Which is more powerful evidence for creation by
a most awesome Creator, since there is no evolutionary pathway for
the existence of such a complex organ.

I think your wish for a creator will come 10 billion years from now.
Please have patience to wait because it ain't going to serve you before then.

Wm. Esque

2016-01-12 03:49:51 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

Others have pointed out before, Scientist including Einstein once
thought the universe had no beginning and no end, this was generally
accepted until Hubble proved the universe was expanding and that the
universe had a beginning. Unlike the universe, no one has shown that the
Creator required a beginning.

Wm. Esque

2016-01-12 04:56:32 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

In conclusion. If one of the greatest minds in history (Einstein)
accepted the concept of no beginning when applied to the universe, then
why is it difficult for lesser minds to accept the concept of God with
no beginning?

Jeanne Douglas

2016-01-12 05:07:24 UTC

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

Because there's no evidence for any god.

--
JD

I¹ve officially given up trying to find the bottom
of the barrel that is Republican depravity.--Jidyom
Rosario, Addicting Info

Gordon

2016-01-12 13:32:08 UTC

On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:07:24 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a
material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

Because there's no evidence for any god.

Is there any evidence of the edge or outer boundary of this universe?
If so, is there any evidence that anything lies beyond that edge?
Should we accept things like this as worth further study? If so,
should we go about any further study with an open, receptive mind set
or should we hold it all in rejection because it hasn't been proven?
Gordon

Jeanne Douglas

2016-01-13 00:50:50 UTC

Post by Gordon
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:07:24 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a
material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

Because there's no evidence for any god.

What the fuck does any of that have to do with the fact that there's no
evidence for any god?

--
JD

I've officially given up trying to find the bottom
of the barrel that is Republican depravity.--Jidyom
Rosario, Addicting Info

Christopher A. Lee

2016-01-13 00:52:28 UTC

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:50:50 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

Post by Gordon
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:07:24 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a
material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

Because there's no evidence for any god.

What the fuck does any of that have to do with the fact that there's no
evidence for any god?

The moron has a psychological need to say something. Anything,

Christopher A. Lee

2016-01-12 05:11:03 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

WHAT FUCKING GOD, in-your-face moron?

Gordon

2016-01-12 13:33:14 UTC

On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 23:11:03 -0600, Christopher A. Lee

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

WHAT FUCKING GOD, in-your-face moron?

My dog would respond in much the same way if he could talk or type.
Gordon

Christopher A. Lee

2016-01-12 14:35:42 UTC

Post by Gordon
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 23:11:03 -0600, Christopher A. Lee

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."

And?
~

Post by Andrew
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.

Liar.

And it's a deliberate lie - he's been given examples.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

Liar.

Post by Andrew
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.

Liar.

Post by Andrew
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.

Idiot.

Post by Andrew
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.

Liar.

Post by Andrew
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.

Liar.

Post by Andrew
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a
material quantity.

Why can't he stop lying?

Post by Andrew
8. No information can exist without a will.

The proven serial liar equivocates on the meaning of "information".

Post by Andrew
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.

A deliberate lie because he has been given it over and over again,

Even if it is way over the head of a wilfully ignorant, low IQ moron.

Post by Andrew
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?

Done over and over again but the thoroughly dishonest Liar For God
ignores it every time and just repeats the same falsehoods as he has
been doing for far too many years..

Post by Andrew
Absolutely no way.

A deliberate lie, because DELIBERATE LIE.

Post by Andrew
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

There is no debate - just pig-ignorant, dishonest, deluded religious
fanatics living in a fantasy world of their own, lying about the real
one and those who live in it.

Post by Ralph
Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

Another distortion, that amounts to a deliberate lie because it has
been corrected over and over again.

Until Hubble (and a few others like Lemaitre) there was no reason to
assume it was expanding.

But the liar turns this into something stronger than that.

At that point, they assumed it had a beginning.

The universe is considered to have a zero sum over its lifetime, Which
removes all issues of mass/energy conservation.

And science (at the quantum level) knows about particles appearing in
a hard vacuum from nothing, The energy is "borrowed when they appear
and is "paid back" at the end of their life,

The big bang could have been a similar event.

And that is just one of the many scenarios.

Others include the current universe as being the latest incarnation of
it.

All of which the proven serial liar has had explained, many times.

But he imagines repeating the same old debunked nonsense, somehow
addresses all this.

Post by Wm. Esque
Unlike the universe, no one has shown that the
Creator required a beginning.

Assumes "fact" not in evidence....

WHAT FUCKING CREATOR?

Post by Wm. Esque
In conclusion. If one of the greatest minds in history (Einstein)
accepted the concept of no beginning when applied to the universe, then
why is it difficult for lesser minds to accept the concept of God with
no beginning?

The proven serial liar knows this is a dishonest distortion.

And again....

WHAT FUCKING GOD?

Where did the moron demonstrate it scientifically before introducing
it in a scientific context?

I>>WHAT FUCKING GOD, in-your-face moron?

Post by Gordon
My dog would respond in much the same way if he could talk or type.

Standard Gordon deliberately stupidity and nastiness.

If you dishonest liars didn't keep begging the same question, it
wouldn't be asked - let alone in such a way as to show both emphasis
and contempt, and we certainly wouldn't need to shout to get through
to you.

But thank you for admitting you couldn't put up even though you are
psychologically incapable of shutting up.

Post by Gordon
Gordon

Gordon is a Moron, from the 1970s punk hit...

Jeanne Douglas

2016-01-13 00:48:07 UTC

Post by Gordon
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 23:11:03 -0600, Christopher A. Lee

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a
material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

WHAT FUCKING GOD, in-your-face moron?

My dog would respond in much the same way if he could talk or type.

Why does a moron like you have such a clever dog?

--
JD

I've officially given up trying to find the bottom
of the barrel that is Republican depravity.--Jidyom
Rosario, Addicting Info

Christopher A. Lee

2016-01-13 00:59:37 UTC

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:48:07 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

Post by Gordon
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 23:11:03 -0600, Christopher A. Lee

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a
material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

WHAT FUCKING GOD, in-your-face moron?

My dog would respond in much the same way if he could talk or type.

Why does a moron like you have such a clever dog?

The moron couldn't answer the question he has been begging here every
day for too many years, but he needed to say something, Anything,
however stupid and dishonest.

Gordon

2016-01-12 13:27:59 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The problem is that those who question this do not adjust their
thinking to the fact that God's time scale is not the same as our time
scale. This entire phase in which we are presently passing through may
be only an instant on God's time scale. And, God's time scale may be
somewhat like a sphere of infinite radius. Choose any line...where
does it begin and where does it end? Gordon

Jeanne Douglas

2016-01-13 00:51:44 UTC

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a
material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

The problem is that those who question this do not adjust their
thinking to the fact that God's time scale

Since you have yet to demonstrate, with evidence, that this god thing
even exists, presuming to know anything about it is incredibly stupid.

--
JD

I've officially given up trying to find the bottom
of the barrel that is Republican depravity.--Jidyom
Rosario, Addicting Info

s.knight

2016-01-13 03:38:22 UTC

And you know this bullshit.... how?

Apologetic, a turd with no beginning and no end.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Christopher A. Lee

2016-01-13 07:43:38 UTC

Post by s.knight

And you know this bullshit.... how?

And why does the moron keep repeating word-for-word, his same old
debunked bullshit as if it had never been dealt with?

Post by s.knight
Apologetic, a turd with no beginning and no end.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Christopher A. Lee

2016-01-12 04:57:28 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

No-one has even shown that there _is_ a creator, imbecile.

Why can't you psychos keep your nonsense where it belongs, ie inside
your religion, and keep your religion where it belongs, ie amongst
yourselves?

duke

2016-01-12 20:24:06 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

No-one has even shown that there _is_ a creator, imbecile.
Why can't you psychos keep your nonsense where it belongs, ie inside
your religion, and keep your religion where it belongs, ie amongst
yourselves?

They wish to try to help the ignorant like you.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

h***@gmail.com

2016-01-13 02:46:49 UTC

Post by duke

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a
material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

No-one has even shown that there _is_ a creator, imbecile.
Why can't you psychos keep your nonsense where it belongs, ie inside
your religion, and keep your religion where it belongs, ie amongst
yourselves?

They wish to try to help the ignorant like you.

Brain damaged deluded idiotic fools like you need help, not the sane people, you fucking moron.

Post by duke
the dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

Jeanne Douglas

2016-01-12 05:06:53 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

No one has provided any evidence that a "Creator" even exists, so you
really can't be discussing its characteristics, now can you?

--
JD

I¹ve officially given up trying to find the bottom
of the barrel that is Republican depravity.--Jidyom
Rosario, Addicting Info

Christopher A. Lee

2016-01-12 05:12:13 UTC

On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:06:53 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

No one has provided any evidence that a "Creator" even exists, so you
really can't be discussing its characteristics, now can you?

It's an old troll, crawling back out into the open from under his
rock.

Andrew

2016-01-12 06:27:48 UTC

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a
material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

No one has provided any evidence that a "Creator" even exists, so
you really can't be discussing its characteristics, now can you?

Can you explain the *origin* of biological information apart
from a creation by a super-intelligent Creator? No. Therefore
the evidence you ask for has been provided, and you are with-
out excuse.

benj

2016-01-12 06:36:54 UTC

Can you explain the creation of the creator? No? Game over and
Christianity and all other religions are dead.

No one has provided any evidence that a "Creator" even exists, so you
really can't be discussing its characteristics, now can you?

The evidence that a "creator" exists is that whatever it is had a
beginning (was created) The static universe needs no creator. Thus, if
one accepts the Hubble mistake as true, then a "creator" is needed. You
can discuss it's characteristics all you want be they "omnipotence"
"chance" or what have you, but a creation requires a creator by
definition. Otherwise, it's like talking about waves in "nothing at all"
or "behavior fields" where nothing is doing the behaving. Just babble.
What in hell is the matter with physicists today anyway?
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Wm. Esque

2016-01-12 17:40:28 UTC

Wm. Esque

2016-01-12 17:50:16 UTC

I don't know what happened to this post! I sent a full response to
this NG but only the letter "s" appears.?!

Initially I responded to an issue raised as to who created the creator.
It was not a response to whether or not a creator exist.

Christopher A. Lee

2016-01-12 17:58:48 UTC

I don't know what happened to this post! I sent a full response to
this NG but only the letter "s" appears.?!
Initially I responded to an issue raised as to who created the creator.
It was not a response to whether or not a creator exist.

Which has to be addressed before asking silly questions that presume
it as anything but an abstract logic exercise - eg when some troll
called Wm. Eqsue asks the mind-bogglingly stupid "why is it difficult
for lesser minds to accept the concept of God with no beginning?".

I'm sure that even that moron understands the difference between the
universe and a mere religiious belief which isn't shared where he
asked it in alt.atheism and alt.sci.physics.

Wm. Esque

2016-01-13 01:42:56 UTC

I don't know what happened to this post! I sent a full response to
this NG but only the letter "s" appears.?!
Initially I responded to an issue raised as to who created the creator.
It was not a response to whether or not a creator exist.

So, you don't consider yourself a lesser mind to Einstein? I assure you
you are!

Post by Christopher A. Lee
I'm sure that even that moron understands the difference between the
universe and a mere religiious belief which isn't shared where he
asked it in alt.atheism and alt.sci.physics.

I would have thought that here in talk creationism it is a shared belief.

s.knight

2016-01-13 03:50:05 UTC

I don't know what happened to this post! I sent a full response to
this NG but only the letter "s" appears.?!
Initially I responded to an issue raised as to who created the creator.
It was not a response to whether or not a creator exist.

So, you don't consider yourself a lesser mind to Einstein? I assure you
you are!

Not really. I know more than Einstein right now. So do a lot of
people. Obviously you are authority driven and the name of Einstein
gets your panties in a knot.

"Which leaves us with what established Einsteins reputation: his
science. Like Isaac Newton before him, Einstein sometimes had trouble
recognising the implications of his ideas, to the point where its
likely that he would have trouble recognising the way general
relativity is researched and taught today. In 1939, he published a
paper intending to show that black holes didnt and couldnt exist.
The term black hole wasnt around back then, but several physicists
proposed that gravity might cause objects to collapse on themselves.
Einsteins usually excellent intuition failed him in this case. His
calculations were technically correct, but he hated the idea of black
holes so much that he failed to see that, with enough density, gravity
overwhelms all other forces, making collapse inevitable."

https://aeon.co/essays/how-did-albert-einstein-become-the-poster-boy-for-genius

Look up before bark at a tree.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

Christopher A. Lee

2016-01-13 07:41:27 UTC

I don't know what happened to this post! I sent a full response to
this NG but only the letter "s" appears.?!
Initially I responded to an issue raised as to who created the creator.
It was not a response to whether or not a creator exist.

So, you don't consider yourself a lesser mind to Einstein? I assure you
you are!

Translation... The nasty little shit couldn't address the point.

Where did he demonstrate that this hypothetical god was as real as the
universe before asking his ridiculous question?

I would have thought that here in talk creationism it is a shared belief.

Check the headers, imbecile.

Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,alt.sci.physics,alt.religion.christian

And whether you like it or not, creationism is complete and utter
nonsense having no basis in reality - but nobody would know just how
stupid it and its proponents are if they weren't so in-your-face with
it and didn't waste everybody else's time with it.

raven1

2015-04-28 15:16:54 UTC

I'm interested in hearing your definition of "information". I do not
think it means what you think it means.

Christopher A. Lee

2015-04-28 15:34:38 UTC

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 11:16:54 -0400, raven1

I'm interested in hearing your definition of "information". I do not
think it means what you think it means.

He doesn't think.

He lets lying creationist "ministers" and their shills do his
thinkiing for him.

raven1

2015-04-30 10:35:52 UTC

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 11:16:54 -0400, raven1

I'm interested in hearing your definition of "information". I do not
think it means what you think it means.

<crickets>

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

Woza Africa

2015-04-28 16:21:18 UTC

ATHEISM IS DEAD, ATHEISM IS DEAD FOR EVER. GLORY TO OUR GOD THE KING OF KINGS, THE PANTOKRATOR, THE RULER OF ALL.

Olrik

2015-04-29 03:23:04 UTC

ATHEISM IS DEAD, ATHEISM IS DEAD FOR EVER. GLORY TO OUR GOD THE KING OF KINGS, THE PANTOKRATOR, THE RULER OF ALL.

I see that you fail to believe in OUR GOD, THOR THE MIGHTY!!

MAY YOU ROT IN
HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division

Dreamer In Colore

2015-04-30 02:21:46 UTC

Post by Olrik

ATHEISM IS DEAD, ATHEISM IS DEAD FOR EVER. GLORY TO OUR GOD THE KING OF KINGS, THE PANTOKRATOR, THE RULER OF ALL.

I see that you fail to believe in OUR GOD, THOR THE MIGHTY!!
MAY YOU ROT IN
HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

Did you not see "The Avengers"? Where Thor got his ass handed to him
by the Hulk?

"Puny God".

--
Cheers,
Dreamer
AA 2306

"If God listened to the prayers of men, all men would quickly have
perished: for they are forever praying for evil against one another."

Epicurus

Jeanne Douglas

2015-04-30 04:38:18 UTC

Post by Dreamer In Colore

Post by Olrik

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a material
quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

ATHEISM IS DEAD, ATHEISM IS DEAD FOR EVER. GLORY TO OUR GOD THE KING OF
KINGS, THE PANTOKRATOR, THE RULER OF ALL.

I see that you fail to believe in OUR GOD, THOR THE MIGHTY!!
MAY YOU ROT IN
HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

Did you not see "The Avengers"? Where Thor got his ass handed to him
by the Hulk?
"Puny God".

It wasn't Thor; Thor and Hulk were on the same side. It was Loki. Wasn't
it?

--
JD

Je suis Charlie.

Dreamer In Colore

2015-04-30 15:44:17 UTC

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:38:18 -0700, Jeanne Douglas

Post by Dreamer In Colore

Post by Olrik

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~
Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a material
quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

ATHEISM IS DEAD, ATHEISM IS DEAD FOR EVER. GLORY TO OUR GOD THE KING OF
KINGS, THE PANTOKRATOR, THE RULER OF ALL.

I see that you fail to believe in OUR GOD, THOR THE MIGHTY!!
MAY YOU ROT IN
HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

Did you not see "The Avengers"? Where Thor got his ass handed to him
by the Hulk?
"Puny God".

It wasn't Thor; Thor and Hulk were on the same side. It was Loki. Wasn't
it?

I sit corrected. Though, honestly, I don't think it would have
mattered. No gods live all the way up to their hype.

--
Cheers,
Dreamer
AA 2306

"If God listened to the prayers of men, all men would quickly have
perished: for they are forever praying for evil against one another."

Epicurus

Paul

2015-04-29 18:19:59 UTC

ATHEISM IS DEAD, ATHEISM IS DEAD FOR EVER.

I suppose that's why you're posting to atheists in an atheist newsgroup, huh?

Try logic some time.

Andrew

2015-04-29 23:08:15 UTC

ATHEISM IS DEAD, ATHEISM IS DEAD FOR EVER.

I suppose that's why you're posting to atheists in an atheist newsgroup, huh?
Try logic some time.

________________________________________________________________________

Post by Paul
I'm a theist

I keep asking him, "Which one?"

Smiler

2015-04-30 02:14:53 UTC

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~

Vincent
Maycock

Post by Andrew
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a
material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?
Absolutely no way.
Then for the honest in heart the debate is over, and atheism is dead.

ATHEISM IS DEAD, ATHEISM IS DEAD FOR EVER.

I suppose that's why you're posting to atheists in an atheist newsgroup, huh?
Try logic some time.

That's above his pay grade.

--
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

Smiler

2015-04-30 02:16:33 UTC

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~

Vincent
Maycock

ATHEISM IS DEAD, ATHEISM IS DEAD FOR EVER.

I suppose that's why you're posting to atheists in an atheist newsgroup, huh?
Try logic some time.

That's above his pay grade.

--
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

Vincent Maycock

2015-04-28 20:28:46 UTC

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning." ....

and here's the context that you snipped out:

... but the
primitive early RNA replicators (the "half-alive" proto-cells that
came before true living things) were simple enough that they didn't
need all that extra information, and were able to make due with
information that accumulated by chance, before they evolved into
modern cells, with their *libraries* full of evolved genetic
information.

Post by Andrew
1. No information can exist without a code.

Yeah, probably a "code" or some sort should be associated with
"information" in the sense that you use the term.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

No, there's nothing that would prevent a code from evolving, as the
genetic code appears to have.

Post by Andrew
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.

These definitions may sound impossible without a human origin, but
they're also found in the naturally-formed genome -- we just happen to
refer to them with "human-sounding terms" because natural selection
builds things similar to what humans build, whether we're using the
metaphor of "machines" or "human-made information" or whatever.

Post by Andrew
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.

True, using your own typical definition of information; but that
information in the genome is not from a "purely statistical process,"
because natural selection is not a "purely statistical process."

You may be thinking of genetic drift, that has this property of being
a purely statistical process.

But not natural selection.

Post by Andrew
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.

Well, obviously with the information in the genome, you have to think
in terms of metaphorical transmitters and receivers for the idea of
genetic information to make sense, but that's not that difficult.

Post by Andrew
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.

Or natural selection, which mimics that in its capacity as The Blind
Watchmaker, as Richard Dawkins used to say.

Post by Andrew
7. No information can exist without an initial mental source;
that is, information is, by its nature, a mental and not a material quantity.
8. No information can exist without a will.

The information in the genome does seem to have some kind of
metaphorical "will" to it -- namely, as natural selection blindly
makes its watches, it comes out looking superficially as if someone
simply and only wanted those watches *to survive.*

But that's really the signature of natural selection; a designer
wouldn't be constrained to make his creations like this.

Post by Andrew
These theorems are similar to the laws of gravity and the laws of
thermodynamics, in that no counterexample has 'ever' been found.
Now please answer my question. Can you explain the *origin* of
biological information apart from a creation by a super intelligent
Creator?

Natural selection.

Post by Andrew
Absolutely no way.

Natural selection will do it.

Andrew

2015-04-29 23:02:38 UTC

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning." ....

Yes, and to reproduce.

Post by Vincent Maycock
... but the
primitive early RNA replicators (the "half-alive" proto-cells that
came before true living things) were simple enough that they didn't
need all that extra information, and were able to make due with
information that accumulated by chance, before they evolved into
modern cells, with their *libraries* full of evolved genetic
information.

It was snipped out because it was false.

If you have empirical evidence otherwise, let me know.

Post by Andrew
1. No information can exist without a code.

Yeah, probably a "code" or some sort should be associated with
"information" in the sense that you use the term.

It's not that difficult to understand.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

No, there's nothing that would prevent a code from evolving, as the
genetic code appears to have.

No way for it to 'evolve'.

Post by Andrew
statistics, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and apobetics.

These definitions may sound impossible without a human origin, but
they're also found in the naturally-formed genome --

But you see, the first genomes were not naturally formed.

If you have empirical evidence otherwise, let me know.

Post by Vincent Maycock
we just happen to
refer to them with "human-sounding terms" because natural selection
builds things similar to what humans build, whether we're using the
metaphor of "machines" or "human-made information" or whatever.

Nano bio-machines are not metaphors. They verily ~are~ machines.

Post by Andrew
4. No information can exist in purely statistical processes.

True, using your own typical definition of information; but that
information in the genome is not from a "purely statistical process,"
because natural selection is not a "purely statistical process."
You may be thinking of genetic drift, that has this property of being
a purely statistical process.
But not natural selection.

Post by Andrew
5. No information can exist without a transmitter.

If they were metaphorical only, we would not be here.

Post by Andrew
6. No information chain can exist without a mental origin.

Or natural selection, which mimics that in its capacity as The Blind
Watchmaker, as Richard Dawkins used to say.

The information in the genome does seem to have some kind of
metaphorical "will" to it -- namely, as natural selection blindly
makes its watches, it comes out looking superficially as if someone
simply and only wanted those watches *to survive.*
But that's really the signature of natural selection; a designer
wouldn't be constrained to make his creations like this.

Natural selection.

Post by Andrew
Absolutely no way.

Natural selection will do it.

It does, but only in the fantasies of the Darwinist.

Stagger Lee

2015-04-28 21:48:54 UTC

The debate is over. I have been forever proven to be a
brain-dead gullible google-tard idiot.

No need to announce the obvious...little feller.

Col. Edmund Burke

2015-04-29 13:05:03 UTC

Post by Stagger Lee

The debate is over. I have been forever proven to be a
brain-dead gullible google-tard idiot.

No need to announce the obvious...little feller.

LOL

Col. Edmund Burke

2015-04-30 18:28:21 UTC

Post by Stagger Lee

The debate is over. I have been forever proven to be a
brain-dead gullible google-tard idiot.

No need to announce the obvious...little feller.

LOL! Back in nam I drank so much folks said my brain was in a pickle jar.
Just sayin'.

Paul

2015-04-29 18:17:42 UTC

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human invention we use to try to understand natural processes.

<snip remaining junk>

Andrew

2015-04-29 23:03:14 UTC

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human
invention we use to try to understand natural processes.

Code is employed in the process of protein synthesis.

It is verily a "code" in the full meaning of the word.

h***@gmail.com

2015-04-30 10:07:42 UTC

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human
invention we use to try to understand natural processes.

Code is employed in the process of protein synthesis.

Protein synthesis is a type of chemical reaction....it is not a code.

Post by Andrew
It is verily a "code" in the full meaning of the word.

Your brain has been coded to think that way because of indoctrination.

Christopher A. Lee

2015-04-30 10:14:44 UTC

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock

Did Vincent actually say this, and in what context?

Post by Andrew
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human
invention we use to try to understand natural processes.

Code is employed in the process of protein synthesis.

Protein synthesis is a type of chemical reaction....it is not a code.

Post by Andrew
It is verily a "code" in the full meaning of the word.

Your brain has been coded to think that way because of indoctrination.

Drooling Anne has be give the same presentation of work done fifty or
more years ago, which resulted not just in proteins but also simple
proto-cells, using natural processes.

What puzzles me, is why he keeps posting these unsolicited lies to
atheists, when it is nothing to do with atheism.

h***@gmail.com

2015-05-01 03:45:14 UTC

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock

Did Vincent actually say this, and in what context?

Post by Andrew
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human
invention we use to try to understand natural processes.

Code is employed in the process of protein synthesis.

Protein synthesis is a type of chemical reaction....it is not a code.

Post by Andrew
It is verily a "code" in the full meaning of the word.

Your brain has been coded to think that way because of indoctrination.

Drooling Anne has be give the same presentation of work done fifty or
more years ago, which resulted not just in proteins but also simple
proto-cells, using natural processes.
What puzzles me, is why he keeps posting these unsolicited lies to
atheists, when it is nothing to do with atheism.

Andrew always either quote from his lying scripture or posts misinformation to show his ignorance.

There is never any basis for creationism or human genome as code. Information are not coded the same as computer codes which follow a certain set of rules.
Some information have some type of rules which can be labelled as codes while most do not. There is also the difference if information is from human source or from nature to which Andrew is confused. It is awfully painful to explain to a character who is indoctrinated.

Andrew

2015-05-02 11:36:01 UTC

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human
invention we use to try to understand natural processes.

Code is employed in the process of protein synthesis.

Protein synthesis is a type of chemical reaction....it is not a code.

Specific proteins of all living things are synthesized strictly according
to the code in the DNA. This is more than simply a chemical reaction,
even as your computer functions are more than simple chemistry and
electricity.

Post by Andrew
It is verily a "code" in the full meaning of the word.

Your brain has been coded to think that way because of indoctrination.

h***@gmail.com

2015-05-03 02:18:32 UTC

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human
invention we use to try to understand natural processes.

Code is employed in the process of protein synthesis.

Protein synthesis is a type of chemical reaction....it is not a code.

Equating a synthesis of protein with a computer code does not make it so.
It may be just an analogy, at best.

Post by Andrew
It is verily a "code" in the full meaning of the word.

Your brain has been coded to think that way because of indoctrination.

I see that you agree that you have being destined to be coded in your brain....which means you are trapped by theism.

Paul

2015-04-30 23:09:12 UTC

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.

Another example... There are three apples on the table. That is information, but there is no code involved.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human invention we use to try to understand natural processes.
<snip remaining junk>

Kurt Kurt

2015-04-30 23:58:37 UTC

You used the number three, that's the Natural Numbers code.

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.

Another example... There are three apples on the table. That is information, but there is no code involved.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human invention we use to try to understand natural processes.
<snip remaining junk>

h***@gmail.com

2015-05-01 03:50:08 UTC

Post by Kurt Kurt
You used the number three, that's the Natural Numbers code.

Information includes digits, and since Kurt is one, he is also a code?
You and Andrew are drown in a sea of information that you two are drunk.

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.

Another example... There are three apples on the table. That is information, but there is no code involved.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human invention we use to try to understand natural processes.
<snip remaining junk>

Kurt Kurt

2015-05-01 12:12:15 UTC

DNA is a computer program, not a bit more and not a bit less. The RNA it encodes is read in a computer like a magnetic tape as it produces proteins. It's exactly the same thing as a computer.

Post by Kurt Kurt
You used the number three, that's the Natural Numbers code.

Information includes digits, and since Kurt is one, he is also a code?
You and Andrew are drown in a sea of information that you two are drunk.

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.

Another example... There are three apples on the table. That is information, but there is no code involved.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human invention we use to try to understand natural processes.
<snip remaining junk>

h***@gmail.com

2015-05-02 09:52:37 UTC

Post by Kurt Kurt
DNA is a computer program, not a bit more and not a bit less. The RNA it encodes is read in a computer like a magnetic tape as it produces proteins. It's exactly the same thing as a computer.

Stupid theists' confused mind...
DNA or RNA are neither codes nor computer program. They are essentially the type of biological information which governs what we are. They are made of chemical atoms, not digital.

Post by Kurt Kurt
You used the number three, that's the Natural Numbers code.

Information includes digits, and since Kurt is one, he is also a code?
You and Andrew are drown in a sea of information that you two are drunk.

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.

Another example... There are three apples on the table. That is information, but there is no code involved.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human invention we use to try to understand natural processes.
<snip remaining junk>

Kurt Kurt

2015-05-03 00:25:52 UTC

It's a base 4 computer code, 0,3,1,0,2,3,2,0... Record the base four numbers and you can reproduce the DNA from chemicals eventually.

The cell makes a sorta carbon copy of some of the DNA called RNA, it literally is a string of molecules that are fed into a device that reads the code and produces proteins. The RNA actually feeds into it and it reads the code.

There's 4GB unused space in cockroach DNA, and they've proposed using it as a time capsule for when humans are long gone.

Post by Kurt Kurt
You used the number three, that's the Natural Numbers code.

Information includes digits, and since Kurt is one, he is also a code?
You and Andrew are drown in a sea of information that you two are drunk.

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.

Another example... There are three apples on the table. That is information, but there is no code involved.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human invention we use to try to understand natural processes.
<snip remaining junk>

Mike Painter

2015-05-03 01:05:47 UTC

On Sat, 2 May 2015 17:25:52 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
It's a base 4 computer code, 0,3,1,0,2,3,2,0... Record the base four numbers and you can reproduce the DNA from chemicals eventually.

Which is of course not base 2 as you first stated.
Your idea that it is computer code would make almost any chemical
reaction a computer code.

Post by Kurt Kurt
The cell makes a sorta carbon copy of some of the DNA called RNA, it literally is a string of molecules that are fed into a device that reads the code and produces proteins. The RNA actually feeds into it and it reads the code.
There's 4GB unused space in cockroach DNA, and they've proposed using it as a time capsule for when humans are long gone.

We have no way of knowing if the so called "unused space" has any
relevance to the total.
Experiments with the theory yields devices that work as intended.
However the removal of parts that are NOT commented to the device in
any known way results in the failure of the device.

Kurt Kurt

2015-05-03 02:12:05 UTC

The Talking Snake slithers under the segmented post rock for safety.

Develop the courage to reply to me, let me know.

Post by Mike Painter
On Sat, 2 May 2015 17:25:52 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
It's a base 4 computer code, 0,3,1,0,2,3,2,0... Record the base four numbers and you can reproduce the DNA from chemicals eventually.

Which is of course not base 2 as you first stated.
Your idea that it is computer code would make almost any chemical
reaction a computer code.

h***@gmail.com

2015-05-03 02:21:43 UTC

Post by Kurt Kurt
The Talking Snake slithers under the segmented post rock for safety.
Develop the courage to reply to me, let me know.

Trolling habit dies hard by top posting....which is what we say, incapable to learn and therefore gets stuck in the 1st century.

Post by Mike Painter
On Sat, 2 May 2015 17:25:52 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
It's a base 4 computer code, 0,3,1,0,2,3,2,0... Record the base four numbers and you can reproduce the DNA from chemicals eventually.

Which is of course not base 2 as you first stated.
Your idea that it is computer code would make almost any chemical
reaction a computer code.

Kurt Kurt

2015-05-04 01:31:07 UTC

You guys still using character based computers? Don't have graphical user interfaces with mice and such?

Post by Kurt Kurt
The Talking Snake slithers under the segmented post rock for safety.
Develop the courage to reply to me, let me know.

Trolling habit dies hard by top posting....which is what we say, incapable to learn and therefore gets stuck in the 1st century.

Post by Mike Painter
On Sat, 2 May 2015 17:25:52 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
It's a base 4 computer code, 0,3,1,0,2,3,2,0... Record the base four numbers and you can reproduce the DNA from chemicals eventually.

Which is of course not base 2 as you first stated.
Your idea that it is computer code would make almost any chemical
reaction a computer code.

Mike Painter

2015-05-04 17:01:40 UTC

On Sun, 3 May 2015 18:31:07 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
You guys still using character based computers? Don't have graphical user interfaces with mice and such?

Post by Kurt Kurt
The Talking Snake slithers under the segmented post rock for safety.
Develop the courage to reply to me, let me know.

Trolling habit dies hard by top posting....which is what we say, incapable to learn and therefore gets stuck in the 1st century.

Post by Mike Painter
On Sat, 2 May 2015 17:25:52 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
It's a base 4 computer code, 0,3,1,0,2,3,2,0... Record the base four numbers and you can reproduce the DNA from chemicals eventually.

Which is of course not base 2 as you first stated.
Your idea that it is computer code would make almost any chemical
reaction a computer code.

First prize for explaining what Passedby is talking about in his rude
manner will be announced shortly.
Second prize will be to double first prize.

Smiler

2015-05-04 21:00:43 UTC

Post by Mike Painter
On Sun, 3 May 2015 18:31:07 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
You guys still using character based computers? Don't have graphical
user interfaces with mice and such?

Post by Kurt Kurt
The Talking Snake slithers under the segmented post rock for safety.
Develop the courage to reply to me, let me know.

Trolling habit dies hard by top posting....which is what we say,
incapable to learn and therefore gets stuck in the 1st century.

Post by Mike Painter
On Sat, 2 May 2015 17:25:52 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
It's a base 4 computer code, 0,3,1,0,2,3,2,0... Record the base
four numbers and you can reproduce the DNA from chemicals
eventually.

Which is of course not base 2 as you first stated.
Your idea that it is computer code would make almost any chemical
reaction a computer code.

Post by Kurt Kurt
The cell makes a sorta carbon copy of some of the DNA called RNA,
it literally is a string of molecules that are fed into a device
that reads the code and produces proteins. The RNA actually feeds
into it and it reads the code.
There's 4GB unused space in cockroach DNA, and they've proposed
using it as a time capsule for when humans are long gone.

We have no way of knowing if the so called "unused space" has any
relevance to the total.
Experiments with the theory yields devices that work as intended.
However the removal of parts that are NOT commented to the device
in any known way results in the failure of the device.

First prize for explaining what Passedby is talking about in his rude
manner will be announced shortly.
Second prize will be to double first prize.

I suspect that the prize is unwinnable. Even he doesn't know what he's
talking about.

--
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

Kurt Kurt

2015-05-05 00:27:02 UTC

Oh yeah, it's dead certain you never will, you're a forum atheist, and it requires that hated squiggly stuff you hated in school called elementary math.

Post by Mike Painter
On Sun, 3 May 2015 18:31:07 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
You guys still using character based computers? Don't have graphical
user interfaces with mice and such?

Post by Kurt Kurt
The Talking Snake slithers under the segmented post rock for safety.
Develop the courage to reply to me, let me know.

Trolling habit dies hard by top posting....which is what we say,
incapable to learn and therefore gets stuck in the 1st century.

Post by Mike Painter
On Sat, 2 May 2015 17:25:52 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
It's a base 4 computer code, 0,3,1,0,2,3,2,0... Record the base
four numbers and you can reproduce the DNA from chemicals
eventually.

Which is of course not base 2 as you first stated.
Your idea that it is computer code would make almost any chemical
reaction a computer code.

Post by Kurt Kurt
The cell makes a sorta carbon copy of some of the DNA called RNA,
it literally is a string of molecules that are fed into a device
that reads the code and produces proteins. The RNA actually feeds
into it and it reads the code.
There's 4GB unused space in cockroach DNA, and they've proposed
using it as a time capsule for when humans are long gone.

We have no way of knowing if the so called "unused space" has any
relevance to the total.
Experiments with the theory yields devices that work as intended.
However the removal of parts that are NOT commented to the device
in any known way results in the failure of the device.

First prize for explaining what Passedby is talking about in his rude
manner will be announced shortly.
Second prize will be to double first prize.

I suspect that the prize is unwinnable. Even he doesn't know what he's
talking about.
--
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

Mike Painter

2015-05-05 01:22:46 UTC

On Mon, 4 May 2015 17:27:02 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
Oh yeah, it's dead certain you never will, you're a forum atheist, and it requires that hated squiggly stuff you hated in school called elementary math.

Post by Mike Painter
On Sun, 3 May 2015 18:31:07 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
You guys still using character based computers? Don't have graphical
user interfaces with mice and such?

Post by Kurt Kurt
The Talking Snake slithers under the segmented post rock for safety.
Develop the courage to reply to me, let me know.

Trolling habit dies hard by top posting....which is what we say,
incapable to learn and therefore gets stuck in the 1st century.

Post by Mike Painter
On Sat, 2 May 2015 17:25:52 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
It's a base 4 computer code, 0,3,1,0,2,3,2,0... Record the base
four numbers and you can reproduce the DNA from chemicals
eventually.

Which is of course not base 2 as you first stated.
Your idea that it is computer code would make almost any chemical
reaction a computer code.

Post by Kurt Kurt
The cell makes a sorta carbon copy of some of the DNA called RNA,
it literally is a string of molecules that are fed into a device
that reads the code and produces proteins. The RNA actually feeds
into it and it reads the code.
There's 4GB unused space in cockroach DNA, and they've proposed
using it as a time capsule for when humans are long gone.

We have no way of knowing if the so called "unused space" has any
relevance to the total.
Experiments with the theory yields devices that work as intended.
However the removal of parts that are NOT commented to the device
in any known way results in the failure of the device.

First prize for explaining what Passedby is talking about in his rude
manner will be announced shortly.
Second prize will be to double first prize.

Passedby probably believes that if you speak loudly and slowly, those
ignorant Germans will understand God's language, English.

Another reason he should stop top posting is that he may find that his
comments have nothing to do with the post he responds to.

Smiler

2015-05-05 20:56:43 UTC

Post by Mike Painter
On Mon, 4 May 2015 17:27:02 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
Oh yeah, it's dead certain you never will, you're a forum atheist, and
it requires that hated squiggly stuff you hated in school called
elementary math.

Post by Mike Painter
On Sun, 3 May 2015 18:31:07 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
You guys still using character based computers? Don't have graphical
user interfaces with mice and such?

Post by Kurt Kurt
The Talking Snake slithers under the segmented post rock for safety.
Develop the courage to reply to me, let me know.

Trolling habit dies hard by top posting....which is what we say,
incapable to learn and therefore gets stuck in the 1st century.

Post by Mike Painter
On Sat, 2 May 2015 17:25:52 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
It's a base 4 computer code, 0,3,1,0,2,3,2,0... Record the
base four numbers and you can reproduce the DNA from
chemicals eventually.

Which is of course not base 2 as you first stated.
Your idea that it is computer code would make almost any
chemical reaction a computer code.

Post by Kurt Kurt
The cell makes a sorta carbon copy of some of the DNA called RNA,
it literally is a string of molecules that are fed into a
device that reads the code and produces proteins. The RNA
actually feeds into it and it reads the code.
There's 4GB unused space in cockroach DNA, and they've
proposed using it as a time capsule for when humans are long
gone.

We have no way of knowing if the so called "unused space" has
any relevance to the total.
Experiments with the theory yields devices that work as intended.
However the removal of parts that are NOT commented to the
device in any known way results in the failure of the device.

First prize for explaining what Passedby is talking about in his
rude manner will be announced shortly.
Second prize will be to double first prize.

I suspect that the prize is unwinnable. Even he doesn't know what he's
talking about.

Passedby probably believes that if you speak loudly and slowly, those
ignorant Germans will understand God's language, English.

And if they don't, you're not SHOUTING loud enough.

Post by Mike Painter
Another reason he should stop top posting is that he may find that his
comments have nothing to do with the post he responds to.

As long as he writes some more crap, that doesn't bother him.

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Paul

2015-05-01 12:58:47 UTC

Post by Kurt Kurt
You used the number three, that's the Natural Numbers code.

Once again the top-posting twerp fails to comprehend that calling it a code doesn't make it so.

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.

Another example... There are three apples on the table. That is information, but there is no code involved.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human invention we use to try to understand natural processes.
<snip remaining junk>

Smiler

2015-05-02 00:11:11 UTC

Post by Kurt Kurt
You used the number three, that's the Natural Numbers code.

Once again the top-posting twerp fails to comprehend that calling it a
code doesn't make it so.

He's talking natural numbers, I.e. shit.

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to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

Kurt Kurt

2015-05-02 01:10:06 UTC

The incompleteness Theorem applies to anything that uses natural numbers, which is all math of interest to science, all legal systems, all computers, all national constitutions, etc.

Post by Kurt Kurt
You used the number three, that's the Natural Numbers code.

Once again the top-posting twerp fails to comprehend that calling it a
code doesn't make it so.

He's talking natural numbers, I.e. shit.
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to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

Smiler

2015-05-02 23:26:33 UTC

Post by Kurt Kurt
The incompleteness Theorem applies to anything that uses natural
numbers, which is all math of interest to science, all legal systems,
all computers, all national constitutions, etc.

More number 2s.

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Kurt Kurt

2015-05-03 00:35:10 UTC

Well, in addition to the papers I constantly produce saying it applies to physics...when Godel was sworn in as a citizen, with his disciple and virtual servant, Al Einstein and other dignitaries in attendance, the the horror of all, he proceeded to give a 45 minute lecture to the Judge on the Incompleteness in the US Constitution that would give a dictator the ability to seize control.

More number 2s.
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Mike Painter

2015-05-03 01:09:20 UTC

On Sat, 2 May 2015 17:35:10 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
Well, in addition to the papers I constantly produce saying it applies to physics...when Godel was sworn in as a citizen, with his disciple and virtual servant, Al Einstein and other dignitaries in attendance, the the horror of all, he proceeded to give a 45 minute lecture to the Judge on the Incompleteness in the US Constitution that would give a dictator the ability to seize control.

I'm sure that you could improve this sentence given time - and
thought.

And just as Godel's speech had little relevance to the situation, most
of your claims have no relevant value.

Kurt Kurt

2015-05-03 02:15:03 UTC

All axiomatic systems of interest are Incomplete, Monkey Brain. That includes, math, logic, legal systems/national constitutions, DNA, computers etc. etc.

And yes, I'm well aware you will remain eternally ignorant of it, you are a forum atheist.

Post by Mike Painter
On Sat, 2 May 2015 17:35:10 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

I'm sure that you could improve this sentence given time - and
thought.
And just as Godel's speech had little relevance to the situation, most
of your claims have no relevant value.

Kurt Kurt

2015-05-02 01:08:32 UTC

Math is an axiomatic system. A computer code. Turing invented computers to do math like a human does. And yes, as a forum atheist, I'm well aware you will remain eternally ignorant of that.

Post by Kurt Kurt
You used the number three, that's the Natural Numbers code.

Once again the top-posting twerp fails to comprehend that calling it a code doesn't make it so.

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~ Vincent Maycock
1. No information can exist without a code.

Another example... There are three apples on the table. That is information, but there is no code involved.

Post by Andrew
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human invention we use to try to understand natural processes.
<snip remaining junk>

Smiler

2015-05-02 23:29:40 UTC

Post by Kurt Kurt
Math is an axiomatic system. A computer code. Turing invented computers

No, moron, that was Charles Babbage.

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Kurt Kurt

2015-05-03 00:28:49 UTC

Nah, Alan Turing, monkey brain. You are using a Turing Computer. It's not a Babbage computer.

Post by Kurt Kurt
Math is an axiomatic system. A computer code. Turing invented computers

No, moron, that was Charles Babbage.
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Mike Painter

2015-05-03 01:11:06 UTC

On Sat, 2 May 2015 17:28:49 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Kurt

Post by Kurt Kurt
Nah, Alan Turing, monkey brain. You are using a Turing Computer. It's not a Babbage computer.

Post by Kurt Kurt
Math is an axiomatic system. A computer code. Turing invented computers

No, moron, that was Charles Babbage.
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Gods are all tailored to order. They are made
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

That's what happens when you mix the Internet with a Dunning Kruger
example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine

Mike Painter

2015-05-02 00:42:33 UTC

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 11:17:42 -0700 (PDT), Paul

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human invention we use to try to understand natural processes.
<snip remaining junk>

I wonder what code is needed to pass on the information that " No
information can exist without a code."

Or if he knows what a code is?
10-4?

Smiler

2015-05-02 23:31:19 UTC

Post by Mike Painter

Post by Andrew
"All *life forms* definitely must have an enormous amount
of information to keep all their structures functioning."
~

Vincent
Maycock

Post by Mike Painter

Post by Andrew
1. No information can exist without a code.
2. No code can exist without a free and deliberate convention.

False. The "code" we use to describe DNA for example is a human
invention we use to try to understand natural processes.
<snip remaining junk>

I wonder what code is needed to pass on the information that " No
information can exist without a code."
Or if he knows what a code is?
10-4?

He _is_ a binary thinker, if he thinks at all.

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Gods are all tailored to order. They are made
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

Malcolm McMahon

2015-04-30 12:59:29 UTC