Post by Andrew Post by Peter Pan Post by Andrew Post by Peter Pan Post by Andrew Post by Peter Pan Post by Andrew
It has to do with the laws of thermodynamic and biogenesis.
Contrary to these laws, the atheist believes that all the matter
in the Universe, as well as living things created themselves.
But the truth is that only a fool would believe such nonsense
that is contrary to known science,
How do any laws of thermodynamics, laws of biogenesis,
and known science, preclude abiogenesis, evolution, or
Life comes only from pre-existing life, and that of its
Only as far as you have observed. That it couldn't have
happened before is your extrapolated assumption.
Post by Andrew
And the first law of thermodynamics tells us that energy
and matter cannot be created or destroyed, but that energy
can be converted to matter and matter can be converted to
In light of this, I affirm that matter was created by our
Creator who has omnipotence - unlimited energy.
Matter and energy can be interconverted but not created
nor destroyed... so, therefore, matter and life were
created by a supernatural entity?
.. who is our Creator who possesses the attribute
of *omnipotence* and power to create ex nihilo.
Are you saying only the -->Awesome Creator<-- can create
--> Ex Nihilo? Uhmm... sorry, it happens every second.
Quantum vacuum fluctuations are well known.
Problem here is that these "particles" do not have a permanent
existence in the real world, which is why they are called virtual
particles, and thus cannot be a plausible explanation for matter
comprising our mult-billion galaxy Universe.
You didn't read very far, or perhaps you prefer to ignore
Can the Universe Come from Nothing?
Virtual particles are constrained to have short lives
because they represent an increase in the energy of the
universe; Heisenberg's uncertainty principle affords room
for sufficiently short-lived virtual particles, but
long-lived ones appearing in a universe such as ours
would violate the first law of thermodynamics. One might
think, then, that quantum vacuum fluctuations cannot have
any relevance for the origin of the universe. On the
contrary, some physicists, going back at least to Tryon
(1973) believe that the entire universe might be a
massive quantum vacuum fluctuation.[Q6] The key feature
of the universe that would make this possible would be a
total energy of zero. You might wonder how the universe
could have a total energy of zero. The answer is that
gravitational energy is negativewhen summed with the
positive energy of the matter in the universe, the two
quantities may cancel out.[Q7] [Q8] Neither Heisenberg's
uncertainty principle, nor the first law of
thermodynamics, place any limit on the length of time a
quantum vacuum fluctuation of zero total energy could
persist, so the longevity of our universe does not rule
out a quantum vacuum fluctuation origin.
So it's plausible the universe appeared from nothing
without violating physics as we know it so far. That
can't be said for a --->magical poofing of the universe
into existence by --->Awesome Creator, which would
violate all known laws of thermodynamics. Strangely
enough, you give AC a pass on the scientific scrutiny.
Post by Andrew Post by Peter Pan
(Someone recently posted this link here, sorry i can't
remember who, but thank you.)
Yes, and that is the best you can offer, but it doesn't work in
the real world as far as the creation of matter is conserned.
So what's your theory about how --->AC magicked up a
whole self-consistent universe in 4000 BCE, with an
apparent age of billions of years?
Post by Andrew Post by Peter Pan Post by Andrew Post by Peter Pan
I don't follow the logical leap. Can you fill in the
Perhaps not all the gaps, but we have
enough information to know that He
Are you saying the gaps are filled with Helium? Or that
it's not a logical leap you made, it's more like just
flying off the wall.
Are you still breathing the helium?