Amazing level of fine tuning in the Universe puts God in the picture

[Bob]

From galaxies and stars down to the atoms and subatomic particles, the
very structure of the universe is determined by these numbers. These are
the fundamental constants and quantities. Scientists have come to the
shocking conclusion that each of these numbers have been carefully
formed to an astonishingly precise value. A value that falls within an
exceedingly narrow, life permitting range. If any one of these numbers
were altered by even a hairs breadth, no physical, interactive life of
any kind could exist anywhere.

[raven1]

Post by Bob
From galaxies and stars down to the atoms and subatomic particles, the
very structure of the universe is determined by these numbers. These are
the fundamental constants and quantities. Scientists have come to the
shocking conclusion that each of these numbers have been carefully
formed to an astonishingly precise value. A value that falls within an
exceedingly narrow, life permitting range. If any one of these numbers
were altered by even a hairs breadth, no physical, interactive life of
any kind could exist anywhere.

Douglas Adams perfectly dismissed this line of argument by noting that
it was akin to a sentient puddle marveling that the hole it inhabits
was obviously designed for it, since it fits perfectly.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 04 Nov 2016 20:18:50 -0400, raven1

Post by raven1

Post by Bob
From galaxies and stars down to the atoms and subatomic particles, the
very structure of the universe is determined by these numbers. These are
the fundamental constants and quantities. Scientists have come to the
shocking conclusion that each of these numbers have been carefully
formed to an astonishingly precise value. A value that falls within an
exceedingly narrow, life permitting range. If any one of these numbers
were altered by even a hairs breadth, no physical, interactive life of
any kind could exist anywhere.

So what?

If things were different, we wouldn't be here.

That's all it means.

Post by raven1
Douglas Adams perfectly dismissed this line of argument by noting that
it was akin to a sentient puddle marveling that the hole it inhabits
was obviously designed for it, since it fits perfectly.

It just shows you how religion makes people stupid.

Bob hasn't the smarts to come up with this nonsense, himself, He's
merely parroting what some dishonest apologist wrote and his
"minister" preached from the pulpit.

When these idiots spout this nonsense, I get a mental picture of
chlorine-breathing, silicon-base lifeforms on Monistat 3 saying
exactly the same thing.

[W.T.S. tre2The Lamp of Golden Truth!*]

Bob <***@null.null> wrote in news:nvj1sm$13eo$***@gioia.aioe.org:

Know the truth:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District>

<http://tinyurl.com/bmxa4rc>

<https://sphericalbullshit.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/what-i-would-say-
to-creationists-if-i-was-more-of-a-dick/>

<http://tinyurl.com/zascach>

<http://www.skepticblog.org/2013/08/28/stephen-meyers-fumbling-bumbling-
amateur-cambrian-follies/>

<http://tinyurl.com/grmdhtv>

<http://americanloons.blogspot.com/search?q=stephen+myers>

<http://tinyurl.com/zlcp8u9>

<http://donaldprothero.com/quotes.html>

<http://tinyurl.com/hp2vd4v>

<http://americanloons.blogspot.com/search?q=Lee+Strobel%27s>

<http://tinyurl.com/zbl54ww>

<http://tinyurl.com/j9nkey5>

<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK6360/>

<http://tinyurl.com/zvyyhxn>

<http://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examples-of-evolution-in-action/>

<http://tinyurl.com/c72j7wv>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_replication>

<http://tinyurl.com/goxgec9>

<https://edthemanicstreetpreacher.wordpress.com/2010/04/09/dawkins-
berlinski/>

<http://tinyurl.com/zmv3xf2>

<https://www.theguardian.com/science/head-quarters/2014/feb/06/22-
answers-creationism-evolution-bill-nye-ken-ham-debate>

<http://tinyurl.com/hwjf83d>

<http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/dumb-things-creationists-
say/>

<http://tinyurl.com/zq9wt5k>

<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/magazine/unintelligent-design.html?
_r=0>

<http://tinyurl.com/h7ubjta>

<http://www.eoht.info/page/Creationism+scientists+ranked+by+idiocy>

<http://tinyurl.com/h5y2gao>

<https://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/18-creationist-arguments-
debunked>

<http://tinyurl.com/zb7sfyr>

<http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Category:Creationism>

<http://tinyurl.com/zt8dycq>

<https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jan/28/creation-origin-life-
future-adam-rutherford-review>

<http://tinyurl.com/hsj6u6y>

<http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/06/07/what-do-physicists-
think-of-michio-kaku/>

<http://tinyurl.com/j32bskg>

<http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/howscienceworks_16>

<http://tinyurl.com/3p4e7mx>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin>

<http://tinyurl.com/jyzjfar>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel>

<http://tinyurl.com/pcqylyj>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution>

<http://tinyurl.com/7vw8ozk>

<http://www.famousscientists.org/charles-darwin/>

<http://tinyurl.com/jpr7p5v>

<http://darwin-online.org.uk/biography.html>

<http://tinyurl.com/5p6znj>

"Creation science" has not entered the curriculum for a reason so
simple and so basic that we often forget to mention it: because it is
false, and because good teachers understand exactly why it is false.
What could be more destructive of that most fragile yet most precious
commodity in our entire intellectual heritage -- good teaching -- than
a bill forcing honourable teachers to sully their sacred trust by
granting equal treatment to a doctrine not only known to be false, but
calculated to undermine any general understanding of science as an
enterprise? - Stephen Jay Gould.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jay_Gould>

<http://tinyurl.com/jc3ckub>

<http://www.journals.elsevier.com/journal-of-human-evolution>

<http://tinyurl.com/jsalxfe>

<http://americanloons.blogspot.com/search?q=macarthur>

<http://tinyurl.com/jenrqkq>

<http://www.annualreviews.org/journal/ecolsys>

<http://tinyurl.com/z8o6zan>

<http://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/home>

<http://tinyurl.com/pwg6fak>

<http://tinyurl.com/hy7xymb>

<http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Falldidit#Falldidit>

<http://tinyurl.com/z4z77ra>

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Post by Bob
From galaxies and stars down to the atoms and subatomic particles, the
very structure of the universe is determined by these numbers. These are
the fundamental constants and quantities. Scientists have come to the
shocking conclusion that each of these numbers have been carefully
formed to an astonishingly precise value. A value that falls within an
exceedingly narrow, life permitting range. If any one of these numbers
were altered by even a hairs breadth, no physical, interactive life of
any kind could exist anywhere.
http://youtu.be/j23EEu0P3m4

Narrow "life permitting range?" where do you get that? Like the
immense pressures and heat of sulphur spewing thermal vents in the
ocean, or acid baths in geological formations that support life?

With the huge numbers of galaxies and planets in the universe, you can
pretty much be certain that life has managed to colonize some pretty
extreme conditions. It is very short-sighted to say that life must
take forms we would recognize and understand.

Like the media making claims that if they find water on a planet they
may find life. Because water is necessary for animal and plant life
on earth doesn't necessarily means it is necessary for all "life."

God is "fine tuning" when he sends stars colliding? The universe
certainly has it's share of chaos.

[Christopher A. Lee]

Post by default

Post by Bob
From galaxies and stars down to the atoms and subatomic particles, the
very structure of the universe is determined by these numbers. These are
the fundamental constants and quantities. Scientists have come to the
shocking conclusion that each of these numbers have been carefully
formed to an astonishingly precise value. A value that falls within an
exceedingly narrow, life permitting range. If any one of these numbers
were altered by even a hairs breadth, no physical, interactive life of
any kind could exist anywhere.
http://youtu.be/j23EEu0P3m4

Narrow "life permitting range?" where do you get that? Like the
immense pressures and heat of sulphur spewing thermal vents in the
ocean, or acid baths in geological formations that support life?
With the huge numbers of galaxies and planets in the universe, you can
pretty much be certain that life has managed to colonize some pretty
extreme conditions. It is very short-sighted to say that life must
take forms we would recognize and understand.
Like the media making claims that if they find water on a planet they
may find life. Because water is necessary for animal and plant life
on earth doesn't necessarily means it is necessary for all "life."
God is "fine tuning" when he sends stars colliding? The universe
certainly has it's share of chaos.

Don't make him think - his head will explode.

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On Sat, 05 Nov 2016 08:10:15 -0500, Christopher A. Lee

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by default

Post by Bob
From galaxies and stars down to the atoms and subatomic particles, the
very structure of the universe is determined by these numbers. These are
the fundamental constants and quantities. Scientists have come to the
shocking conclusion that each of these numbers have been carefully
formed to an astonishingly precise value. A value that falls within an
exceedingly narrow, life permitting range. If any one of these numbers
were altered by even a hairs breadth, no physical, interactive life of
any kind could exist anywhere.
http://youtu.be/j23EEu0P3m4

Narrow "life permitting range?" where do you get that? Like the
immense pressures and heat of sulphur spewing thermal vents in the
ocean, or acid baths in geological formations that support life?
With the huge numbers of galaxies and planets in the universe, you can
pretty much be certain that life has managed to colonize some pretty
extreme conditions. It is very short-sighted to say that life must
take forms we would recognize and understand.
Like the media making claims that if they find water on a planet they
may find life. Because water is necessary for animal and plant life
on earth doesn't necessarily means it is necessary for all "life."
God is "fine tuning" when he sends stars colliding? The universe
certainly has it's share of chaos.

Don't make him think - his head will explode.

and that's bad how?

[John Locke]

Post by Bob
From galaxies and stars down to the atoms and subatomic particles, the
very structure of the universe is determined by these numbers. These are
the fundamental constants and quantities. Scientists have come to the
shocking conclusion that each of these numbers have been carefully
formed to an astonishingly precise value. A value that falls within an
exceedingly narrow, life permitting range. If any one of these numbers
were altered by even a hairs breadth, no physical, interactive life of
any kind could exist anywhere.
http://youtu.be/j23EEu0P3m4

...total bullshit.

...you're in dire need of an education. You can start by reading this
book, Fallacy of Fine-Tuning: Why the Universe Is Not Designed for Us,
by Victor Stenger, American particle physicist:
http://tinyurl.com/hthvbjv

A number of authors have noted that if some physical parameters were
slightly changed, the universe could no longer support life, as we
know it. This implies that life depends sensitively on the physics of
our universe. Does this "fine-tuning" of the universe suggest that a
creator god intentionally calibrated the initial conditions of the
universe such that life on earth and the evolution of humanity would
eventually emerge? In his in-depth and highly accessible discussion of
this fascinating and controversial topic, the author looks at the
evidence and comes to the opposite conclusion. He finds that the
observations of science and our naked senses not only show no evidence
for God, they provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that God does
not exist.