Discussion:
Throwing doubt on answers to prayer
(too old to reply)
Amazing Answers
2018-04-07 19:28:14 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
What do you expect to see? When there are answers to small prayers and there are no acknowledgements and no spirit of thankfulness, does one expect to see greater miracles? I think not. Faith is built over time according to the determination of the individual that seeks it. As confirmation upon confirmation situates in the individual, God permits larger and larger miracles. The atheist may be almost completely insulated while great things are happening all around him.
Mitchell Holman
2018-04-07 20:59:53 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Amazing Answers
What do you expect to see?
April 2004: Pope John Paul II falls ill
with a kidney infection. Billions of Christians
all over the world pray for his recovery. He
dies the next week.

Now, if a billion identical prayers are
ignored what is the chance of your single
lonely prayer getting answered?
Amazing Answers
2018-04-07 21:07:35 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Amazing Answers
What do you expect to see?
April 2004: Pope John Paul II falls ill
with a kidney infection. Billions of Christians
all over the world pray for his recovery. He
dies the next week.
Now, if a billion identical prayers are
ignored what is the chance of your single
lonely prayer getting answered?
So if you're a Pope, you can defy death?
Mitchell Holman
2018-04-08 01:40:00 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Amazing Answers
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Amazing Answers
What do you expect to see?
April 2004: Pope John Paul II falls ill
with a kidney infection. Billions of Christians
all over the world pray for his recovery. He
dies the next week.
Now, if a billion identical prayers are
ignored what is the chance of your single
lonely prayer getting answered?
So if you're a Pope, you can defy death?
Prayers don't get answered. Fact.
Greywolf
2018-04-08 02:29:52 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Amazing Answers
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Amazing Answers
What do you expect to see?
April 2004: Pope John Paul II falls ill
with a kidney infection. Billions of Christians
all over the world pray for his recovery. He
dies the next week.
Now, if a billion identical prayers are
ignored what is the chance of your single
lonely prayer getting answered?
So if you're a Pope, you can defy death?
________

Hey, Turd-Head, Mitchell simply pointed to all the prayers of the faithful that obviously were completely ignored by your make-believe God. Not whether or not a Pope can die. What the faithful wanted to witness was a "miracle" healing, not that the Pope turn immortal.

Weren't faithful enough, were they? Think you are? Well prove it. Pray that Donald Trump doesn't tell another lie, not one, during the rest of his Presidency.

Surely someone as faithful as yourself could accomplish so simple a task with prayer. Or is it that you're not faithful enough for God to hear your prayers?

If the press catch him in one more lie, will you admit your prayers were completely ineffectual?
Peter Pan
2018-04-10 00:42:00 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Greywolf
Hey, Turd-Head, Mitchell simply pointed to all the prayers of the faithful that obviously were completely ignored by your make-believe God. Not whether or not a Pope can die. What the faithful wanted to witness was a "miracle" healing, not that the Pope turn immortal.
Weren't faithful enough, were they? Think you are? Well
prove it. Pray that Donald Trump doesn't tell another
lie, not one, during the rest of his Presidency.
ROFL and stuff.

The clever evangelist would pray that Trump tells a lie
in the next half hour, and that the sun will rise in the
east tomorrow. Then you'd have proof of the miraculous
power of prayer, atheists would be saved, and a.a. would
have to shut down.
Post by Greywolf
Surely someone as faithful as yourself could accomplish
so simple a task with prayer. Or is it that you're not
faithful enough for God to hear your prayers?
If the press catch him in one more lie, will you admit
your prayers were completely ineffectual?
I'm praying that God will ignore my prayers.
Guess what!...
--
Also praying fervently for the enlightenment of Google
users.
Street
2018-04-10 01:08:08 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Greywolf
Hey, Turd-Head, Mitchell simply pointed to all the prayers of the
faithful that obviously were completely ignored by your make-believe
God. Not whether or not a Pope can die. What the faithful wanted to
witness was a "miracle" healing, not that the Pope turn immortal.
Weren't faithful enough, were they? Think you are? Well
prove it. Pray that Donald Trump doesn't tell another
lie, not one, during the rest of his Presidency.
ROFL and stuff.
The clever evangelist would pray that Trump tells a lie
in the next half hour, and that the sun will rise in the
east tomorrow. Then you'd have proof of the miraculous
power of prayer, atheists would be saved, and a.a. would
have to shut down.
Post by Greywolf
Surely someone as faithful as yourself could accomplish
so simple a task with prayer. Or is it that you're not
faithful enough for God to hear your prayers?
If the press catch him in one more lie, will you admit
your prayers were completely ineffectual?
I'm praying that God will ignore my prayers.
Guess what!...
LOL! And note that Asshole7 ran away.
Greywolf
2018-04-10 01:15:55 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Greywolf
Hey, Turd-Head, Mitchell simply pointed to all the prayers of the faithful that obviously were completely ignored by your make-believe God. Not whether or not a Pope can die. What the faithful wanted to witness was a "miracle" healing, not that the Pope turn immortal.
Weren't faithful enough, were they? Think you are? Well
prove it. Pray that Donald Trump doesn't tell another
lie, not one, during the rest of his Presidency.
ROFL and stuff.
The clever evangelist would pray that Trump tells a lie
in the next half hour, and that the sun will rise in the
west tomorrow. Then you'd have proof of the miraculous
power of prayer, atheists would be saved, and a.a. would
have to shut down.
Oh shoot! What will the God believers then have to lie about some more? That the universe was created by Santa Clause?
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Greywolf
Surely someone as faithful as yourself could accomplish
so simple a task with prayer. Or is it that you're not
faithful enough for God to hear your prayers?
If the press catch him in one more lie, will you admit
your prayers were completely ineffectual?
I'm praying that God will ignore my prayers.
Guess what!...
By Golly, I think you've proven God is really real!! That was a *proven* miracle!

Can you pray that Andrew and duke turn into brainless turds too?

Oh, they already are, aren't they? Well, how about Amazing Answers? Oh, shoot, he's one too. How about . . .
Post by Peter Pan
--
Also praying fervently for the enlightenment of Google
users.
Kevrob
2018-04-07 21:10:00 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Amazing Answers
What do you expect to see?
April 2004: Pope John Paul II falls ill
with a kidney infection. Billions of Christians
all over the world pray for his recovery. He
dies the next week.
Now, if a billion identical prayers are
ignored what is the chance of your single
lonely prayer getting answered?
Oh, but that's "ghod wants his saint with him in heaven."
Why he couldn't be taken painlessly in his sleep before he got
an infected kidney, well, you tell me.

Kevin R
Davej
2018-04-07 21:36:49 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
[...]
You pretend that prayers cannot be tested, but they can easily
be tested, and they have been tested repeatedly -- AND THEY FAIL
EVERY TIME THEY ARE TESTED.
StanFast
2018-04-08 02:33:36 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Dave: the old adage, be careful what you pray for, careful.
Now if there have been many prayers, by the numbers, some of them certainly had to be answered ...
Yap Honghor
2018-04-08 08:51:18 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
Dave: the old adage, be careful what you pray for, careful.
Now if there have been many prayers, by the numbers, some of them certainly had to be answered ...
You have been praying every day for decades, but not a single day has your issue been answered. Quit your lying here....
StanFast
2018-04-08 13:42:07 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
I must confess I have not been praying much over the years and you probably know that do you are being consistent in not being truthful.
People should know at this point to never take you at your word.
Yap Honghor
2018-04-08 23:52:38 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
I must confess I have not been praying much over the years and you probably know that do you are being consistent in not being truthful.
People should know at this point to never take you at your word.
You are a fake believer....
Smiler
2018-04-08 21:20:37 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
Dave: the old adage, be careful what you pray for, careful.
Now if there have been many prayers, by the numbers, some of them
certainly had to be answered ...
No more than would have been 'answered' by chance.
--
Smiler, The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made
to exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Kevrob
2018-04-08 21:23:35 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Smiler
Post by StanFast
Dave: the old adage, be careful what you pray for, careful.
Now if there have been many prayers, by the numbers, some of them
certainly had to be answered ...
No more than would have been 'answered' by chance.
The line of bull they handed us when we were kids
was "`No' is an answer, too."

It's that ol' catch-22.

Kevin R
StanFast
2018-04-09 00:49:50 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Smiler:
Thanks for admitting prayers have been answered. Next.
Gospel TT
2018-04-09 01:29:57 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 17:49:50 -0700 (PDT), StanFast
Post by StanFast
Thanks for admitting prayers have been answered. Next.
At are church we do scientific experiments that prove prayer work's.
Smiler
2018-04-10 00:19:59 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
Thanks for admitting prayers have been answered. Next.
No more that would have been answered without prayers.
--
Smiler, The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made
to exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus
StanFast
2018-04-11 00:18:38 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Smiler, what would happen if every prayer was answered and any requests granted?
Alex W.
2018-04-11 01:37:26 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
Smiler, what would happen if every prayer was answered and any requests granted?
No more lotteries.
No more gambling of any sort, in fact.

No more divorces.

No more failures in business or personal life.

No more uncertainties in anything, from the outcome of a big drug trial
to the latest cookery experiment.

That's what I was going to say.

And then I realised that this would be quite impossible because how
would this god resolve competing prayers? When both teams pray for
victory, only one prayer can be answered. When the wife prays that her
tuna casserole will be perfect but hubby prays it won't because he
doesn't like tuna and wants to try out that new steakhouse, only one
request can be granted. And so on...
%
2018-04-11 01:43:47 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Alex W.
Post by StanFast
Smiler, what would happen if every prayer was answered and any requests granted?
No more lotteries.
No more gambling of any sort, in fact.
No more divorces.
No more failures in business or personal life.
No more uncertainties in anything, from the outcome of a big drug trial
to the latest cookery experiment.
That's what I was going to say.
And then I realised that this would be quite impossible because how
would this god resolve competing prayers?  When both teams pray for
victory, only one prayer can be answered.  When the wife prays that her
tuna casserole will be perfect but hubby prays it won't because he
doesn't like tuna and wants to try out that new steakhouse, only one
request can be granted.  And so on...
yes one at a time can make both a victory
Yap Honghor
2018-04-11 08:18:58 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
Smiler, what would happen if every prayer was answered and any requests granted?
Find one that happened first.....then we talk, in your cell.
hypatiab7
2018-04-11 15:23:58 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
Smiler, what would happen if every prayer was answered and any requests granted?
There wouldn't be any progress.
StanFast
2018-04-12 00:58:46 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Hyp
That answer sounds like a kid at Sunday school at our church
Smiler
2018-04-12 02:34:00 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
Post by Smiler
Post by StanFast
Thanks for admitting prayers have been answered. Next.
No more that would have been answered without prayers.
Hyp
Who?
Post by StanFast
That answer sounds like a kid at Sunday school at our church
The sensible one.
--
Smiler, The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made
to exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Yap Honghor
2018-04-12 08:14:04 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
Hyp
That answer sounds like a kid at Sunday school at our church
It is really bad enough that you morons believe in evil pixie, why continue to indoctrinate the young?
StanFast
2018-04-12 14:37:19 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Yap,

So they know what reality is.
The future is predicated on their choices.

Smiler, I suggest you read the nyms in this thread, then use your brain, if you have one, to figure out who I was addressing and replying to.

I am sure some college can help you with critical comprehension skills.
Yap Honghor
2018-04-12 23:52:28 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
Yap,
So they know what reality is.
The future is predicated on their choices.
Going to church is not giving them choices. They are there to be indoctrinated!
Post by StanFast
Smiler, I suggest you read the nyms in this thread, then use your brain, if you have one, to figure out who I was addressing and replying to.
There is no protocol to say Smiler has no right to make a comment.
I do it here too....
Post by StanFast
I am sure some college can help you with critical comprehension skills.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-04-12 15:35:21 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
It is really bad enough that you morons believe in evil pixie, why continue to indoctrinate the young?
_______________

But if they waited til they were older there wouldn't be any new believers.
Yosemite Sam
2018-04-12 15:40:35 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
One has to be careful about revealing prayers against the advent another prays for a counterspell.
StanFast
2018-04-12 15:41:50 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Cloud,

Our church adds converts annually.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-04-12 21:02:10 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Our church adds converts annually.
____________

And do they exceed the number you lose every year?

Are you counting newborn children as converts?
StanFast
2018-04-12 21:08:10 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
Our church adds converts annually.
____________
And do they exceed the number you lose every year?
Why would I have mentioned it in the first place?

See, to make decisions, they do a weekly head count.

See, it costs money to build all the new churches they build every year for the increasing membership that indeed attends.

You don't build buildings that cost money that there are no people to attend.

Understand?

You should know better than to believe every website someone slaps up on the net and not to overestimate your internet trolling that it in your mind is driving people from church.
Gospel TT
2018-04-12 21:11:37 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:08:10 -0700 (PDT), StanFast
Post by StanFast
Post by StanFast
Our church adds converts annually.
____________
And do they exceed the number you lose every year?
Why would I have mentioned it in the first place?
See, to make decisions, they do a weekly head count.
See, it costs money to build all the new churches they build every
year for the increasing membership that indeed attends.
Post by StanFast
You don't build buildings that cost money that there are no people to attend.
Understand?
You should know better than to believe every website someone slaps
up on the net and not to overestimate your internet trolling that it
in your mind is driving people from church.

Are church got lot's of ppl to & are pastor does miracle's threw the
pour of Jesus.
Kevrob
2018-04-12 22:05:31 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Gospel TT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:08:10 -0700 (PDT), StanFast
Post by StanFast
Post by StanFast
Our church adds converts annually.
____________
And do they exceed the number you lose every year?
Why would I have mentioned it in the first place?
See, to make decisions, they do a weekly head count.
See, it costs money to build all the new churches they build every
year for the increasing membership that indeed attends.
Post by StanFast
You don't build buildings that cost money that there are no people
to attend.
Post by StanFast
Understand?
You should know better than to believe every website someone slaps
up on the net and not to overestimate your internet trolling that it
in your mind is driving people from church.
Are church got lot's of ppl to & are pastor does miracle's threw the
pour of Jesus.
It the pour of Jesus when he turns water into wine
and everybody is his pal until it runs out?

Kevin R
Gospel TT
2018-04-12 22:22:42 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Kevrob
Post by Gospel TT
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:08:10 -0700 (PDT), StanFast
Post by StanFast
Post by StanFast
Our church adds converts annually.
____________
And do they exceed the number you lose every year?
Why would I have mentioned it in the first place?
See, to make decisions, they do a weekly head count.
See, it costs money to build all the new churches they build every
year for the increasing membership that indeed attends.
Post by StanFast
You don't build buildings that cost money that there are no people
to attend.
Post by StanFast
Understand?
You should know better than to believe every website someone slaps
up on the net and not to overestimate your internet trolling that it
in your mind is driving people from church.
Are church got lot's of ppl to & are pastor does miracle's threw the
pour of Jesus.
It the pour of Jesus when he turns water into wine
and everybody is his pal until it runs out?
Kevin R
Yeah that's how it alway's work's you must of had experience.
Yap Honghor
2018-04-12 23:53:13 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
Cloud,
Our church adds converts annually.
Ya, many Americans are fools....
%
2018-04-12 23:58:30 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Yap Honghor
Post by StanFast
Cloud,
Our church adds converts annually.
Ya, many Americans are fools....
men from Kuala Lumpur have no penis
Tim
2018-04-13 10:09:19 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by %
Post by Yap Honghor
Post by StanFast
Cloud,
Our church adds converts annually.
Ya, many Americans are fools....
men from Kuala Lumpur have no penis
Your mom has a penis ... up her arse hole.
StanFast
2018-04-13 12:45:47 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Tim:

So you believe you have invented a much more adult and sophisticated variation of your mom.
Tim
2018-04-13 20:05:54 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
So you believe you have invented a much more adult and sophisticated variation of your mom.
I believe that your mom is ashamed of you. And so she should be, criminal yost.
Amazing Answers
2018-04-14 00:14:48 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Tim
Post by StanFast
So you believe you have invented a much more adult and sophisticated variation of your mom.
I believe that your mom is ashamed of you. And so she should be, criminal yost.
you also believe that you came from something that looked like a monkey and acted like a monkey but you say wasn't a monkey. You call it an unknown common ancestor.
%
2018-04-14 00:23:34 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Amazing Answers
Post by Tim
Post by StanFast
So you believe you have invented a much more adult and sophisticated variation of your mom.
I believe that your mom is ashamed of you. And so she should be, criminal yost.
you also believe that you came from something that looked like a monkey and acted like a monkey but you say wasn't a monkey. You call it an unknown common ancestor.
it was me
Amazing Answers
2018-04-14 00:25:06 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by %
Post by Amazing Answers
Post by Tim
Post by StanFast
So you believe you have invented a much more adult and sophisticated variation of your mom.
I believe that your mom is ashamed of you. And so she should be, criminal yost.
you also believe that you came from something that looked like a monkey and acted like a monkey but you say wasn't a monkey. You call it an unknown common ancestor.
it was me
Did you come by Delorean?
%
2018-04-14 00:27:17 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Amazing Answers
Post by %
Post by Amazing Answers
Post by Tim
Post by StanFast
So you believe you have invented a much more adult and sophisticated variation of your mom.
I believe that your mom is ashamed of you. And so she should be, criminal yost.
you also believe that you came from something that looked like a monkey and acted like a monkey but you say wasn't a monkey. You call it an unknown common ancestor.
it was me
Did you come by Delorean?
no way i came with the way she moved
Amazing Answers
2018-04-14 00:33:36 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by %
Post by Amazing Answers
Post by %
Post by Amazing Answers
Post by Tim
Post by StanFast
So you believe you have invented a much more adult and sophisticated variation of your mom.
I believe that your mom is ashamed of you. And so she should be, criminal yost.
you also believe that you came from something that looked like a monkey and acted like a monkey but you say wasn't a monkey. You call it an unknown common ancestor.
it was me
Did you come by Delorean?
no way i came with the way she moved
So a woman with special powers brought you from the past.
Gospel Theo
2018-04-14 00:33:42 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by %
Post by Amazing Answers
Post by Tim
Post by StanFast
So you believe you have invented a much more adult and
sophisticated variation of your mom.
Post by %
Post by Amazing Answers
Post by Tim
I believe that your mom is ashamed of you. And so she should be, criminal yost.
you also believe that you came from something that looked like a
monkey and acted like a monkey but you say wasn't a monkey. You
call it an unknown common ancestor.
Post by %
it was me
I knew it!!
%
2018-04-14 00:38:35 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by StanFast
Post by %
Post by Tim
Post by StanFast
So you believe you have invented a much more adult and
sophisticated variation of your mom.
Post by %
Post by Tim
I believe that your mom is ashamed of you. And so she should be,
criminal yost.
Post by %
Post by Tim
you also believe that you came from something that looked like a
monkey and acted like a monkey but you say wasn't a monkey.   You call
it an unknown common ancestor.
Post by %
it was me
I knew it!!
i knew you did

StanFast
2018-04-12 23:58:30 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 11:41:53 PM UTC+8, StanFast w
Ya, many Americans are fools....
Is that why you foolishly think you can deceive them by typing online?
You just did a FO PA.
Why are you handing me this huge freebie for?
Yap Honghor
2018-04-08 08:49:05 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Amazing Answers
What do you expect to see? When there are answers to small prayers and there are no acknowledgements and no spirit of thankfulness, does one expect to see greater miracles? I think not. Faith is built over time according to the determination of the individual that seeks it. As confirmation upon confirmation situates in the individual, God permits larger and larger miracles. The atheist may be almost completely insulated while great things are happening all around him.
What small prayer?
You pray to have your car keys recovered when there are many amputees in this world?
Or the blinds or the hunger????

What sort of donkey does not know the correct issue?????
Cloud Hobbit
2018-04-10 01:06:10 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
What do you expect to see? When there are answers to small prayers and there are no acknowledgements and no spirit of thankfulness, does one expect to see greater miracles? I think not. Faith is built over time according to the determination of the individual that seeks it. As confirmation upon confirmation situates in the individual, God permits larger and larger miracles. The atheist may be almost completely insulated while great things are happening all around him.
________________

The Bible says many times that requests made in prayer will be granted in both the OT and the NT.

https://www.esv.org/Matthew+18:19;Matthew+21:22;Mark+11:24;John+14:13;John+15:7;John+15:16;John+16:23%E2%80%9324;James+1:5%E2%80%936;James+1:17;1+John+3:22;1+John+5:14%E2%80%9315/

Matthew 18:19
22 And vwhatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”

24 Therefore I tell you, pwhatever you ask in prayer, obelieve that you qhave received1 it, and it will be yours.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2015/12/29/top-7-bible-verses-about-answered-prayer/

John 15:7 “If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+37%3A4-5&version=ESV

Clearly the prayers of amputees go unfulfilled.
Loading...