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Are you able to discriminate illusion from reality?
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Jahnu
2018-03-08 02:44:38 UTC
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 14:44:47 -0600, ***@m.nu wrote:

<bitch moan whine>


Nobody is able to distinguish reality from illusion unless there is a
God to do it for you. If there is no God, reality will never rise
above relative human speculation. And if there is a God, He can tell
you the truth about life. It's as simple as that.

Krishna, being God, is the only person on the planet who has ever
attempted to define reality as opposed to unreality, which He does in
Bhagavad Gita.

Krishna says:

Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the
non-existent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the
eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by
studying the nature of both. (Bg. 2.16)

So according to Krishna's definition, reality is that which is eternal
and unreality, or illusion, is that which is temporary. Note that
illusion does exist, but it is unreal in the sense that it's not
eternal. Someone may object - if I smash my head into a wall, the pain
I feel is very real. How can it not be real? But if seen in the light
of eternity it is not real. Illusion exists, but the reason it is not
considered real is because it is not eternal. It's like a dream.

A dream happens, but when we wake up, we understand it was not real.
Life in a material body is like that - dream-like. We'll realize that,
if not before, then at the time of death. Death will be a rude
awakening for the atheist.

So reality and illusion is defined by time. One is eternal the other
is temporary. And if you think about it, it makes sense. Anything seen
in the light of eternity will be manifested for such a short time,
that it is as if it didn't really happen.

Brahma, the god of creation, is said to live as long as the universe
lasts - which is calculated to be 311 trillion solar years. So if you
live for such an unfathomable length of time, then imagine what a
person's life-span on earth of, say, 80 years must look like. I don't
even live for a second from Brahma's point of view. How real would a
person be to you if he existed for only a second? Think about it.

If you take 80 years out of 311 trillion years it is such a miniscule
portion of time, that for all practical purposes it might as well not
have happened. But then, if you take Brahma's lifespan and compare it
to eternal time, it is just as little. However long time is taken out
of eternal time, it will still amount to nothing.

The duration of the universe will make a lifespan on earth seem
completely insignificant, and the cosmic time of millions, billions,
and trillions of years seem totally inconsequential and insignificant
from the point of view of eternal time. So from the point of view of
eternity, anything that is not eternal is but an illusory glimpse.

That's how one can understand that anything which has a beginning and
an end is illusory. Only that which is eternal is real. Now, in this
world, what is then real, someone might ask. We don't have any
experience of something that lasts forever, do we? Yes we do.

The only thing, that lasts forever is the soul - ie. consciousness.
The soul is eternal, so in the material world the only real thing is
the soul, everything else is temporary and thus illusory.

That's why self-realization, according to Vaishnava theology, means to
realize one's eternal self beyond the temporary body and mind. Krishna
gives a brilliant argument in the Bhagavad Gita to help a thoughtful
person experience his eternal self. A person's body goes through
different stages of infancy, childhood, youth, old age and finally
death.

But during all these changes of the body and the mind, the self (the
inner sense of I-feeling) or the inner observer remains constant.
That's one way we can logically understand we are eternal.

The human life-form is unique in the sense that it allows the self to
understand its own eternality. So the purpose of human life is to
connect with the eternal self. If one is simply absorbed in the body
and its demands, one is wasting this valuable opportunity - an
opportunity that is only available in the human life-form. Eating,
sleeping, mating and defending, the soul can do in any life-form, but
only in the human form can the self connect with eternity, ie.
reality.

Krishna says:

Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these
kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. (Bg 2.12)

As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood
to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at
death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change. (Bg 2.13)

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I
am unborn and infallible.(Bg. 7.25)

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

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Yap Honghor
2018-03-08 10:54:47 UTC
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<bitch moan whine>
Nobody is able to distinguish reality from illusion unless there is a
God to do it for you.
Since you say that, why are you not with your pixie?
Human society doesn't mind to have one person less.....

If there is no God, reality will never rise
Post by Jahnu
above relative human speculation. And if there is a God, He can tell
you the truth about life. It's as simple as that.
Krishna, being God, is the only person on the planet who has ever
attempted to define reality as opposed to unreality, which He does in
Bhagavad Gita.
Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the
non-existent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the
eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by
studying the nature of both. (Bg. 2.16)
So according to Krishna's definition, reality is that which is eternal
and unreality, or illusion, is that which is temporary. Note that
illusion does exist, but it is unreal in the sense that it's not
eternal. Someone may object - if I smash my head into a wall, the pain
I feel is very real. How can it not be real? But if seen in the light
of eternity it is not real. Illusion exists, but the reason it is not
considered real is because it is not eternal. It's like a dream.
A dream happens, but when we wake up, we understand it was not real.
Life in a material body is like that - dream-like. We'll realize that,
if not before, then at the time of death. Death will be a rude
awakening for the atheist.
So reality and illusion is defined by time. One is eternal the other
is temporary. And if you think about it, it makes sense. Anything seen
in the light of eternity will be manifested for such a short time,
that it is as if it didn't really happen.
Brahma, the god of creation, is said to live as long as the universe
lasts - which is calculated to be 311 trillion solar years. So if you
live for such an unfathomable length of time, then imagine what a
person's life-span on earth of, say, 80 years must look like. I don't
even live for a second from Brahma's point of view. How real would a
person be to you if he existed for only a second? Think about it.
If you take 80 years out of 311 trillion years it is such a miniscule
portion of time, that for all practical purposes it might as well not
have happened. But then, if you take Brahma's lifespan and compare it
to eternal time, it is just as little. However long time is taken out
of eternal time, it will still amount to nothing.
The duration of the universe will make a lifespan on earth seem
completely insignificant, and the cosmic time of millions, billions,
and trillions of years seem totally inconsequential and insignificant
from the point of view of eternal time. So from the point of view of
eternity, anything that is not eternal is but an illusory glimpse.
That's how one can understand that anything which has a beginning and
an end is illusory. Only that which is eternal is real. Now, in this
world, what is then real, someone might ask. We don't have any
experience of something that lasts forever, do we? Yes we do.
The only thing, that lasts forever is the soul - ie. consciousness.
The soul is eternal, so in the material world the only real thing is
the soul, everything else is temporary and thus illusory.
That's why self-realization, according to Vaishnava theology, means to
realize one's eternal self beyond the temporary body and mind. Krishna
gives a brilliant argument in the Bhagavad Gita to help a thoughtful
person experience his eternal self. A person's body goes through
different stages of infancy, childhood, youth, old age and finally
death.
But during all these changes of the body and the mind, the self (the
inner sense of I-feeling) or the inner observer remains constant.
That's one way we can logically understand we are eternal.
The human life-form is unique in the sense that it allows the self to
understand its own eternality. So the purpose of human life is to
connect with the eternal self. If one is simply absorbed in the body
and its demands, one is wasting this valuable opportunity - an
opportunity that is only available in the human life-form. Eating,
sleeping, mating and defending, the soul can do in any life-form, but
only in the human form can the self connect with eternity, ie.
reality.
Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these
kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. (Bg 2.12)
As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood
to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at
death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change. (Bg 2.13)
I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I
am unborn and infallible.(Bg. 7.25)
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Jahnu
2018-03-09 08:30:20 UTC
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On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 02:54:47 -0800 (PST), Yap Honghor
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Since you say that, why are you not with your pixie?
Human society doesn't mind to have one person less.....
Preaching on usenet to antagonists, one thing I hear real often is -
uh duh, you can't think for yourself. You need some old books to think
for you.

But the real fact of the matter is that main-stream people would be up
the proverbial creek without a paddle if they didn't have TV,
newspapers and magazines to tell them what to think and believe. They
all say the same things and have the same values. How is it
independent thinking to talk, think and be like millions of other
people?

I would venture to say, that the more a point of view is prevalent in
society, the more people who share a view-point, the less independent
it is.

Practically nobody except the Hare Krishnas think like the Hare
Krishnas, and the Hare Krishnas are a tiny minority of people on
planet. So actually the Hare Krishnas must be the most independent
type of thinkers.

The Hare Krishna way of thinking is based on an ancient, revealed
science, that has been tried and tested since time immemorial whereas
the thinking of people in mainstream society is dictated by mass media
and Hollywood. So whose thinking is most independent, seriously? That
also begs the question - what is the definition of independent
thinking, and who defines it? If you say, independent thinking is
defined by the majority of people, how is it independent thinking? So
when people tell you, that you have no independent thoughts, they have
no idea what they are talking about. They are merely mindlessly
repeating a slogan.

Next time someone challenges you - you can't think for yourself - ask
that person to name just one single, miniscule, little thought he or
she has come up with by themselves. Let's hear some of your
independent thoughts. That'll stomp anyone... just try. Nothing of
what people in general have to offer are based on independent
thinking.

The real fact is that nobody is thinking independently. Everyone's
thinking is inspired by what they have heard and learned from others.
So what's best? - to be inspired by the ancient teachings of the Vedic
tradition or to be inspired by CNN and Fox news or the garbage they
teach you in school?

"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Krishna says:

One must deliver himself with the help of his mind, and not degrade
himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy
as well. (Bg. 6.5)

For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends;
but for one who has failed to do so, his mind will remain the greatest
enemy. (Bg. 6.6)
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Gospel TT
2018-03-09 21:28:21 UTC
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On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 02:54:47 -0800 (PST), Yap Honghor
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Since you say that, why are you not with your pixie?
Preaching on usenet to antagonists, one thing I hear real often is -
Your not so posed to discriminate rumdum it's prejudice.
Jahnu
2018-03-11 23:30:45 UTC
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2018 16:28:21 -0500, Gospel TT
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Your not so posed to discriminate rumdum it's prejudice.
You make no sense, at all.

Krishna says:

O mighty-armed Arjuna, according to the Vedanta there are five causes
for the accomplishment of all action. Now learn of these from Me. (Bg.
18.13)

The place of action [the body], the performer, the various senses, the
many different kinds of endeavor, and ultimately the Supersoul—these
are the five factors of action. (Bg. 18.14)

Whatever right or wrong action a man performs by body, mind or speech
is caused by these five factors. (Bg. 18.15)

Therefore one who thinks himself the only doer, not considering the
five factors, is certainly not very intelligent and cannot see things
as they are. (Bg. 18.16)

One who is not motivated by false ego, whose intelligence is not
entangled, though he kills men in this world, does not kill. Nor is he
bound by his actions. (Bg. 18.17)

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Smiler
2018-03-12 00:52:44 UTC
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2018 16:28:21 -0500, Gospel TT
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Your not so posed to discriminate rumdum it's prejudice.
You make no sense, at all.
Jahnu talks to the mirror.
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2018 16:28:21 -0500, Gospel TT
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Your not so posed to discriminate rumdum it's prejudice.
You make no sense, at all.
Jahnu talks to the mirror.
Janu is Krishna & there gone to hell like the Bible say's.
Jahnu
2018-03-12 04:21:35 UTC
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Jahnu talks to the mirror.
At least, I speak English :D

If one does not accept the Vedic Version of karma and reincarnation,
one is left with the unfortunate problem present in the Church - God
is a whimsical bastard, who throws people down to earth to suffer or
enjoy different destinies. Some are borrn with a silver-spoon in their
mouth to a life in glory and opulence while others are born in Syria
during an attack of F16s.

Even after 2000 years the Church has not managed to give a credible,
lucid explanation to this probelm. Still there are fanatics who claim
that the Bible constitutes the only true words of God. They declare
that God could not do better than the Bible. That is tantamount to
deride God and give Him a bad name.

But in the Vedic Version the theodisé question poses no problem. The
sages of the Vedic tradition had solved the theodisé problem already
thousands of years before anyone had thought of Christianity, what to
peaka of Islam.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

Dr. Ian Stevenson has conduced scientific research that strongly
suggests reincarnation is a fact. Besides, karma and reincarnation is
described in the Bible, with the words - As you sow, you shall reap.
Note, how this statement is meaningless without reincarnation. It's
obvious that one reaps from his very birth. One reaps a certain body,
nation, gender, society, destiny etc. When would you have sown what
you reap at birth, unless in a previous life?
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Smiler
2018-03-13 01:04:26 UTC
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Jahnu talks to the mirror.
At least, I speak English :D
If one does not accept the Vedic Version of karma and reincarnation, one
is left with the unfortunate problem present in the Church - God is a
whimsical bastard, who throws people down to earth to suffer or enjoy
different destinies. Some are borrn with a silver-spoon in their mouth
to a life in glory and opulence while others are born in Syria during an
attack of F16s.
Even after 2000 years the Church has not managed to give a credible,
lucid explanation to this probelm. Still there are fanatics who claim
that the Bible constitutes the only true words of God. They declare that
God could not do better than the Bible. That is tantamount to deride God
and give Him a bad name.
But in the Vedic Version the theodisé question poses no problem. The
sages of the Vedic tradition had solved the theodisé problem already
thousands of years before anyone had thought of Christianity, what to
peaka of Islam.
http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm
Dr. Ian Stevenson has conduced scientific research that strongly
suggests reincarnation is a fact. Besides, karma and reincarnation is
described in the Bible, with the words - As you sow, you shall reap.
Note, how this statement is meaningless without reincarnation. It's
obvious that one reaps from his very birth. One reaps a certain body,
nation, gender, society, destiny etc. When would you have sown what you
reap at birth, unless in a previous life?
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Why are you telling me, an atheist, that?
I know that you are as wrong as the church is.
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Jahnu
2018-03-13 08:23:15 UTC
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Why are you telling me, an atheist, that?
I know that you are as wrong as the church is.
When you speak to people in general about God and religion, one
question that keeps coming up is - all religions are the same
nonsense, how do you know the God of your religion is better than any
other religion's God?

But it's a simple question to answer. First you read the Bible. Then
you read the Koran, and then you read Bhagavad Gita. These 3 books are
like the revealed scriptures of the world-religions, so they should
give you a pretty good answer.

When you have finished reading, you ponder the situation and ask
yourself - which of these books touch me the most profoundly, which of
them is closest to what you'd expect to hear from a God?

Can there be any doubt as to the answer?

"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Bhagavad Gita is the only book on the planet in which someone claiming
to be God, describes in detail about Himself, the soul and the world
and how they inter-relate. The philosophy and religion of Krishna’s
teachings is the pinnacle of philosophy and religion. The philosophy
delivered by Krishna in Bhagavad Gita is without a doubt the most
complete, consistent, sophisticated and well thought out explanation
of reality available anywhere in the world at all time.
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

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Gospel TT
2018-03-13 19:44:06 UTC
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Why are you telling me, an atheist, that?
I know that you are as wrong as the church is.
When you speak to people in general about God and religion, one
You don't no about it cause your Krishna & krishna's are gone to hell.
Smiler
2018-03-14 03:02:56 UTC
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Why are you telling me, an atheist, that?
I know that you are as wrong as the church is.
When you speak to people in general about God and religion, one question
that keeps coming up is - all religions are the same nonsense, how do
you know the God of your religion is better than any other religion's
God?
But it's a simple question to answer. First you read the Bible. Then you
read the Koran, and then you read Bhagavad Gita. These 3 books are like
the revealed scriptures of the world-religions, so they should give you
a pretty good answer.
When you have finished reading, you ponder the situation and ask
yourself - which of these books touch me the most profoundly, which of
them is closest to what you'd expect to hear from a God?
Can there be any doubt as to the answer?
Nope. The answer, without doubt, is that they are all bullshit.
--
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Jahnu
2018-03-18 06:05:42 UTC
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Nope. The answer, without doubt, is that they are all bullshit.
Because a nobody like you says so? hahaha :)

--but, but Ah seen it on TV.

Krishna says:

Now hear, O son of Prtha, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness
of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from
doubt.

I shall now declare unto you in full this knowledge, both phenomenal
and numinous. This being known, nothing further shall remain for you
to know.

Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection, and
of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth.

Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego --
all together these eight constitute My separated material energies.

Besides these, O mighty-armed Arjuna, there is another, superior
energy of Mine, which comprises the living entities who are exploiting
the resources of this material, inferior nature.

All created beings have their source in these two natures. Of all that
is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain
that I am both the origin and the dissolution.

O conqueror of wealth, there is no truth superior to Me. Everything
rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.


--Bhagavad Gita 7.1-7
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TT Liams
2018-03-18 07:41:40 UTC
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Nope. The answer, without doubt, is that they are all bullshit.
Because a nobody like you says so? hahaha :)
Your Krishna & krishna's are gone to hell.
Jahnu
2018-03-19 07:03:38 UTC
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Your Krishna & krishna's are gone to hell.
"Simply by chanting one holy name of Hari, a sinful man can counteract
the reactions to more sins than he can commit."

(Brihad-vishnu Purana)
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Gospel TT
2018-03-19 17:51:04 UTC
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Your Krishna & krishna's are gone to hell.
"Simply by chanting one holy name of Hari,
Hari Seldon was a real smart psychohistorian & a inspiration to me
when I was working on my doctor degree.
Kevrob
2018-03-19 18:28:31 UTC
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Your Krishna & krishna's are gone to hell.
"Simply by chanting one holy name of Hari,
Hari Seldon was a real smart psychohistorian & a inspiration to me
when I was working on my doctor degree.
[quote]

Harry Reems, Harry Reems, Harry Harry Reems
Harry Caray, Harry Caray, Harry Harry Caray
Harry James, Harry James, Harry Harry James
Harry Browne, Harry Browne, Harry Harry Browne
Harry Styles, Harry Styles, Harry Harry Styles

[/quote] from 2 Sep 2016:

Message-ID: <539c83a6-afc0-4181-9ec3-***@googlegroups.com>

More chanting!

Hari Seldon, Hari Seldon, Hari, Hari Seldon!
Harry Lime, Harry Lime, Harry, Harry Lime!
Harry Osborne, Harry Osborne, Harry Harry Osborne!
Harry Houdini, Harry Houdini, Harry Harry Houdini!

Kevin R

(Harry Houdini promised to tell us what was On The Other Side,
but we haven't heard from him yet!)
Gospel TT
2018-03-19 20:48:46 UTC
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Your Krishna & krishna's are gone to hell.
"Simply by chanting one holy name of Hari,
Hari Seldon was a real smart psychohistorian & a inspiration to me
when I was working on my doctor degree.
[quote]
Harry Reems, Harry Reems, Harry Harry Reems
Harry Caray, Harry Caray, Harry Harry Caray
Harry James, Harry James, Harry Harry James
Harry Browne, Harry Browne, Harry Harry Browne
Harry Styles, Harry Styles, Harry Harry Styles
More chanting!
Hari Seldon, Hari Seldon, Hari, Hari Seldon!
Harry Lime, Harry Lime, Harry, Harry Lime!
Harry Osborne, Harry Osborne, Harry Harry Osborne!
Harry Houdini, Harry Houdini, Harry Harry Houdini!
Kevin R
(Harry Houdini promised to tell us what was On The Other Side,
but we haven't heard from him yet!)
He told us nothing.
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(Harry Houdini promised to tell us what was On The Other Side,
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but we haven't heard from him yet!)
He told us nothing.
_____________

Houdini did say he would tell us about the other side if it were possible.

I guess it's not possible.
Gospel TT
2018-03-19 21:07:46 UTC
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(Harry Houdini promised to tell us what was On The Other Side,
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but we haven't heard from him yet!)
He told us nothing.
_____________
Houdini did say he would tell us about the other side if it were possible.
I guess it's not possible.
Christian's that got lot's of faith believe in the afterlife cause
with a strong Christian faith you can believe stuff you know isn't
really true.
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2018-03-20 12:55:52 UTC
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Hari Seldon was a real smart psychohistorian & a inspiration to me
when I was working on my doctor degree.
You? Doctor degree? hahaha :) Yeah right, and I'm the pope :D

Why do some people say Hinduism is not a religion, it is a way of
life? Are not all religions just different ways of living?

Religion and a life-style don't exclude each-other. Naturally,
religion will result in a way of life. If a person is religious, there
are certain kinds of actions and behavior one will not engage in. For
instance, a religious person will not engage in killing other living
entities by the millions, daily, in high-tech death camps all over the
world. This kind of mass-murder is obviously irreligious and godless
behavior.

Some religions claim, animals have no soul, that they are simply put
by God on earth for us to eat them. But that's got nothing to do with
religion, that's just plain ignorance. It's an unfortunate state in
the present age of Kali that ignorance masquerades as religion, but
that's another matter.

In the Vaishnava religion (the original form of Hinduism), we learn
that the four pillars of religion are cleanliness, austerity,
compassion, and truthfulness. There is a systematic and well-rounded
process to religion, whose foundation is structured on these four
pillars. Religion is not simply a matter of faith, nor just a system
of morals and ethics, although it is often portrayed as such. It is
more than faith, it is a science - in Bhagavad-gita, Krishna calls it
the science of the self.

As these four pillars are the foundation of religion, the Vedic
scriptures also teach that there are four main sinful activities -
illicit sex, intoxication, gambling, and meat eating. Why are they
"sinful?" Because they each attack and destroy a specific pillar of
religion. Cleanliness is destroyed by illicit sex; austerity by
intoxication; compassion by meat-eating; and truthfulness by gambling.

Thus it is clearly seen that modern, contemporary culture is
consistently trying to destroy religious principles by undermining the
four pillars of religion. For example, the vast majority of all TV and
movies out of Hollywood are based on the repeated and glorified
practice of the four sinful activities mentioned above, which destroy
religious principles. There is a constant propaganda going on to
normalize and make acceptable illicit sex, intoxication, meat-eating,
and gambling.

Thus, the modern global culture, which is being hailed as the pinnacle
of all human progress and knowledge, is actively seeking to destroy
the eternal religious principles mentioned in the Vedas. Another sign
that contemporary culture is thoroughly degraded and guided by
atheistic principles is that the most intimate dealings between a man
and a woman, ie. kissing, is depicted in minute, graphic detail on big
widescreens. According to the Vedic standard that is tantamount to
pure pornagraphy.

Now, when we point that out to mainstream people, it is rejected and
scoffed at as being backwards and primitive. But when one of the most
intimate exchanges between a man and a woman is engaged in freely and
publicly without any restraint, what does that tell us about the
culture we live in?

Why this observation? Because as devotees of Krishna, we are trying to
emulate the Vedic culture and values. At the same time many of us live
in cultures, where these values are regarded as primitive and
back-wards. In fact, as Westerners we have grown up to see the
standards of the modern consumer culture as totally normal, even
coveted and glorified.

Srila Prabhupada said, that the difference between him and his
disciples was that he was afraid of maya, they were not. This is to
show how important it is for a devotee to understand how harmful and
degraded the modern culture is. Things that according to the Vedic
standard are considered extremely sinful are considered completely
normal in modern society - cow-killing, publicly kissing and fondling,
scantily clad women and so on.

The global culture is merely an attempt to make the whole world into a
market place of McDonalds, Levis and Coca-cola. It is being hailed as
the info-age, but when examined closely, the info available is more or
less a barrage of propaganda to make the general population into good
and loyal consumers and usurpers of nature. The goal of life, instead
of being knowledge of the self and an end to the existential problems
of life, is now centered around getting an education, then a job that
will enable one to spend money for sense-gratification.

The goal of life has become to spend money on consumer goods, and the
producers of these goods spend vast amounts of money to convince
people to buy their products. Basically the whole world is running on
trade. It is a business-culture governed by vaishyas not by brahmanas,
as a proper human culture is meant to be. So Srila Prabhupada ordered
us to create a class of brahmins to guide society, and the only way to
do that is by preaching sanatana-dharma - the eternal religion, and
that is exactly what ISKCON is doing all over the world.

Krishna says:

Those who are free from false prestige, illusion and false
association, who understand the eternal, who are done with material
lust, who are freed from the dualities of happiness and distress, and
who, unbewildered, know how to surrender unto the Supreme Person
attain to that eternal kingdom. (Bg. 15.5)

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
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2018-03-20 14:50:40 UTC
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:51:04 -0400, Gospel TT
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Hari Seldon was a real smart psychohistorian & a inspiration to me
when I was working on my doctor degree.
You? Doctor degree? hahaha :) Yeah right, and I'm the pope :D
Why do some people say Hinduism is not a religion, it is a way of
life? Are not all religions just different ways of living?
Religion and a life-style don't exclude each-other. Naturally,
religion will result in a way of life. If a person is religious, there
are certain kinds of actions and behavior one will not engage in. For
instance, a religious person will not engage in killing other living
entities by the millions, daily, in high-tech death camps all over the
world. This kind of mass-murder is obviously irreligious and godless
behavior.
Some religions claim, animals have no soul, that they are simply put
by God on earth for us to eat them. But that's got nothing to do with
religion, that's just plain ignorance. It's an unfortunate state in
the present age of Kali that ignorance masquerades as religion, but
that's another matter.
In the Vaishnava religion (the original form of Hinduism), we learn
that the four pillars of religion are cleanliness, austerity,
compassion, and truthfulness. There is a systematic and well-rounded
process to religion, whose foundation is structured on these four
pillars. Religion is not simply a matter of faith, nor just a system
of morals and ethics, although it is often portrayed as such. It is
more than faith, it is a science - in Bhagavad-gita, Krishna calls it
the science of the self.
As these four pillars are the foundation of religion, the Vedic
scriptures also teach that there are four main sinful activities -
illicit sex, intoxication, gambling, and meat eating. Why are they
"sinful?" Because they each attack and destroy a specific pillar of
religion. Cleanliness is destroyed by illicit sex; austerity by
intoxication; compassion by meat-eating; and truthfulness by gambling.
Thus it is clearly seen that modern, contemporary culture is
consistently trying to destroy religious principles by undermining the
four pillars of religion. For example, the vast majority of all TV and
movies out of Hollywood are based on the repeated and glorified
practice of the four sinful activities mentioned above, which destroy
religious principles. There is a constant propaganda going on to
normalize and make acceptable illicit sex, intoxication, meat-eating,
and gambling.
Thus, the modern global culture, which is being hailed as the pinnacle
of all human progress and knowledge, is actively seeking to destroy
the eternal religious principles mentioned in the Vedas. Another sign
that contemporary culture is thoroughly degraded and guided by
atheistic principles is that the most intimate dealings between a man
and a woman, ie. kissing, is depicted in minute, graphic detail on big
widescreens. According to the Vedic standard that is tantamount to
pure pornagraphy.
Now, when we point that out to mainstream people, it is rejected and
scoffed at as being backwards and primitive. But when one of the most
intimate exchanges between a man and a woman is engaged in freely and
publicly without any restraint, what does that tell us about the
culture we live in?
Why this observation? Because as devotees of Krishna, we are trying to
emulate the Vedic culture and values. At the same time many of us live
in cultures, where these values are regarded as primitive and
back-wards. In fact, as Westerners we have grown up to see the
standards of the modern consumer culture as totally normal, even
coveted and glorified.
Srila Prabhupada said, that the difference between him and his
disciples was that he was afraid of maya, they were not. This is to
show how important it is for a devotee to understand how harmful and
degraded the modern culture is. Things that according to the Vedic
standard are considered extremely sinful are considered completely
normal in modern society - cow-killing, publicly kissing and fondling,
scantily clad women and so on.
Another greedy guru who just wanted money from the gullible.
--
John Ritson

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On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:51:04 -0400, Gospel TT
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Hari Seldon was a real smart psychohistorian & a inspiration to me
when I was working on my doctor degree.
You? Doctor degree? hahaha :) Yeah right, and I'm the pope :D
Liar your not the pope his name's Francis not Janu liar.
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Liar your not the pope his name's Francis not Janu liar.
---but, but I'm a doctor

hahaha :)

Why do we not see God?

We don't see God because we are not qualified and not favored by God.

"This Supreme Self cannot be reached by argumentation, or by applying
one's independent brain power, or by studying many scriptures. Rather,
he alone can achieve God whom God chooses to favor. To that person the
Supreme Self reveals His own true, personal form."
--Mundaka Upanisad 3.2.3

Krishna says:

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I
am unborn and infallible. —Bg 7.25

Srila Prabhupada exxplains:

It may be argued that since Krsna was visible to everyone when He was
present on this earth, how can it be said that He is not manifest to
everyone? But actually He was not manifest to everyone.

When Krsna was present there were only a few people who could
understand Him to be the Supreme Personality of Godhead. In the
assembly of Kurus, when Sisupala spoke against Krsna's being elected
president of the assembly, Bhisma supported Him and proclaimed Him to
be the Supreme God.

Similarly, the Pandavas and a few others knew that He was the Supreme,
but not everyone. He was not revealed to the nondevotees and the
common man.

Therefore in the Bhagavad-gita Krsna says that but for His pure
devotees, all men consider Him to be like themselves. He was manifest
only to His devotees as the reservoir of all pleasure. But to others,
to unintelligent non-devotees, He was covered by His internal potency.

In the prayers of Kunti in the Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.8.19) it is said
that the Lord is covered by the curtain of yoga-maya and thus ordinary
people cannot understand Him.

This yoga-maya curtain is also confirmed in the Isopanisad (mantra
15), in which the devotee prays:

"O my Lord, You are the maintainer of the entire universe, and
devotional service to You is the highest religious principle.
Therefore, I pray that You will also maintain me. Your transcendental
form is covered by the yoga-maya. The brahmajyoti is the covering of
the internal potency. May You kindly remove this glowing effulgence
that impedes my seeing Your sac-cid-ananda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1], Your
eternal form of bliss and knowledge."

The Supreme Personality of Godhead in His transcendental form of bliss
and knowledge is covered by the internal potency of the brahmajyoti,
and the less intelligent impersonalists cannot see the Supreme on this
account.

Also in the Srimad-Bhagavatam (10.14.7) there is this prayer by
Brahma:

"O Supreme Personality of Godhead, O Supersoul, O master of all
mystery, who can calculate Your potency and pastimes in this world?
You are always expanding Your internal potency, and therefore no one
can understand You. Learned scientists and learned scholars can
examine the atomic constitution of the material world or even the
planets, but still they are unable to calculate Your energy and
potency, although You are present before them."

The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Krsna, is not only unborn but
also avyaya, inexhaustible. His eternal form is bliss and knowledge,
and His energies are all inexhaustible.

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https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:23:26 -0400, Gospel TT
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Liar your not the pope his name's Francis not Janu liar.
---but, but I'm a doctor
OMG!!! No your not, liar!!!!
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but, but I'm a doctor
hahaha :) Liar.

The Hare Krishna mission has two goals. One is to fight materialism,
humanism and atheism in all their different aspects. It is obvious,
that when you conduct an ideological war against the most prevalent
reality-view of the times, you are not going to be popular. But if we
have a little historical awareness, we know that the truth-sayers in
any society have always been a scorned and ridiculed minority.

The second part of the Hare Krishna mission is to offer the method by
which to know God as He is. The Vedic process is an elaborate system
of knowlede, but it all begins with the chanting of the name of the
Supreme Lord.

Please note, that this is not a sectarian process. We don't say that
Jehovah, Allah, or Buddha are wrong. We say that one should chant
Their names. In Hare Krishna we chant the Hare Krishna mantra, but we
don't say it is wrong to recite the names of God in other traditions.
The principle is to chant God's name. The specific name is a detail,
It is a universal, recognized process. In the standard prayer of the
Church it says, hallowed be thy name. In the Bible it urges one to
praise the name of the Lord from sun-rise to sun-set. The rosary has
the same amount of beads as the mala, or prayer-beads used in Hare
Krishna - 108. Muslems also use a mala or prayer beads. So to chant
the names of the Lord is the recommended process for this age in all
religions to connect with the Supreme Lord.

In the Upanishads it is stated that the Hare Krishna mantra is the
only function in this present age of Kali. That is not to be
understood in a sectarian way. It is to be understood, that the only
authorized process of religion or yoga for this age, is to chant the
holy names of the Lord - Krishna, Jehovah, Allah, or whatever. It is
the only process that will work for this age.

hare krsna hare krsna krsna krsna hare hare
hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare

"The above mantra consisting of 32 words and 16 syllables is the only
thing that can protect against the evil influence of Kali. After
searching through all the Vedas we will find no more sublime method of
religion."

(Kali-santarana Upanishad)
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http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
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but, but I'm a doctor
hahaha :) Liar.
I got my diploma rite here on the wall, rumdum.
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but, but I'm a doctor
hahaha :) Liar.
I got my diploma rite here on the wall, rumdum.
And he cannot prove you're not a doctor.
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All gods are tailored to order. They're made
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And he cannot prove you're not a doctor.
I need dto prove jack squat. The guy is obviously too intellectcually
retarded to be a doctor.

HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER

The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989


The Hunger Argument

Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
million.

Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million

Human beings in America: 243 million

Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20

Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80

Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95

Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99

How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds

Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20.OOO

Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165

Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56

Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16


The Environmental Argument

Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect

Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
diet: 50 times more

Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
85

Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
meat-centered diet: 260 million

Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds

Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
housecat.

Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
sq.ft.

Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year


The Cancer Argument

Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
vs. less than once a week: 4 times

For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times

Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times


The Natural Resources Argument

Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
livestock portion.

Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
float a destroyer.

Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25

Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500

Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound

Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
longer subsidized: 89 dollars

Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
meat-centered diet: 13

Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260

Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million

Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
factory farming of meat: 34.5

Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8

Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
meat-centered diet: 33


The Cholesterol Argument

Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30

Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
years in medical school: 25 hours

Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack

How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds

Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.

Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.

Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
cholesterol if it is: normal

Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.


The Antibiotic Argument

Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55

Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
1960: 13

Percentage resistant in 1988: 91

Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
antibiotics to livestock: ban

Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support


The Pesticide Argument

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
1

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
4

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
products: 23

Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55

Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
non meat-eating: 35 times higher

What USDA tells us: meat is inspected

Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004


The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000

Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker

Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
U.S:slaughterhouse worker

Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
slaughter.: 1 cent

Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive


The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex

Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.


Famous vegetarians:
-------------------------------
Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting

'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3
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but, but I'm a doctor
hahaha :) Liar.
I got my diploma rite here on the wall, rumdum.
And he cannot prove you're not a doctor.
That's rite & that mean's I really am, thx Smiler.
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That's rite & that mean's I really am, thx Smiler.
Atheism really doesn't have many selling points. It's hard to think of
any cause that is more vacuous than a call to atheism. Dawkins may
have been able to make some money from it, but the price he has paid
is to reduce his standing to that of a bumbling twit among
theologians, philosophers, scholars, and academics.

Atheism offers the excitement of not collecting stamps; it's as
entertaining as a switched off tv; has all the style of baldness; the
morality of a dead snake; as much purpose as evolution; the predictive
power of tea leaves; the hierarchy of anarchists; as much substance as
a hole in water; the explanatory power of tautologies; less unity than
religious sects; as much promise of reward as a cancelled cheque, What
benefit, quality or incentive does atheism offer over theism?

Seems to me it offers nothing more than revenue for advertising
websites where loquacious atheists can hang out, reassure themselves
they are smart and (more importantly), right, and of course one of the
defining characteristics of noisy new atheists, they can whine, bitch,
moan and criticise religions and theists.

Is it any wonder that the call to militant atheism by someone with the
charisma of Richard Dawkins is foundering, and disliked by the many
atheists who prefer quietly to go about their business without
attracting attention, and don't feel impelled to criticise all
religions and their followers without bothering to learn about them.

New atheism is a cul de sac that some people have run into to escape
religion. It leads nowhere and offers nothing except escape from a
religion you don't agree with. It's not something you can discuss or
write a book about, it represents a hole, a lack of something, it is
defined by what remains like a hole in your shirt. Atheism is the bit
of shirt that is missing.

Because few people like to continually acknowledge their
insignificance, some atheists have so little going for them in their
life, that their atheism is a key component of their existence so they
make a lot of noise about it. But the joke is on them, because they
are presenting something for which there is no credible evidence
according to their own terms and conditions.
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2018-03-24 13:41:51 UTC
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That's rite & that mean's I really am, thx Smiler.
I can tell your real smart now TT so plz forgive me 4 doting you.
Ok but don't do it again.
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Ok but don't do it again.
"The Bhagavad Geeta is the most systematic statement of spiritual
evolution of endowing value to mankind. It is one of the most clear
and comprehensive summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
hence its enduring value is subject not only to India but to all of
humanity." - Aldous Huxley
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
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Ok but don't do it again.
"The Bhagavad Geeta is the most systematic statement of spiritual
Bagdad Geta is a satanic Bible.
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Bagdad Geta is a satanic Bible.
hahaha :) Get an education, backwards, inbred loser.

Krishna says:

By human calculation, a thousand ages taken together form the duration
of Brahma's one day (4,32 billion years). And such also is the
duration of his night. (Bg. 8.17)

At the beginning of Brahma's day, all living entities become manifest
from the unmanifest state, and thereafter, when the night falls, they
are merged into the unmanifest again. (Bg. 8.18)

Again and again, when Brahma's day arrives, all living entities come
into being, and with the arrival of Brahma's night they are helplessly
annihilated. (Bg. 8.19)

Yet there is another unmanifest nature, which is eternal and is
transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is
supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is
annihilated, that part remains as it is. (Bg. 8.20)

That which the Vedantists describe as unmanifest and infallible, that
which is known as the supreme destination, that place from which,
having attained it, one never returns—that is My supreme abode. (Bg.
8.21)
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Gospel TT
2018-03-27 14:36:40 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 15:24:11 -0400, Gospel TT
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Bagdad Geta is a satanic Bible.
hahaha :) Get an education, backwards, inbred loser.
Lol I got a doctor degree, rumdum, you don't lol.
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2018-03-28 05:45:55 UTC
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Lol I got a doctor degree, rumdum, you don't lol.
Lying little shit...

hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare

hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare


"This mantra, consisting of 16 words and 32 syllables, is the only
means against evil in the age of Kali. After searching through all the
Vedic literature, one cannot find a method of religion more sublime
for this age than the chanting of Hare Krsna.

--- Kali-santarana Upanishad
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Gospel TT
2018-03-28 06:23:10 UTC
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 10:36:40 -0400, Gospel TT
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Lol I got a doctor degree, rumdum, you don't lol.
i am a Lying little shit...
I no & also you worship satin & are gone to hell.
Jahnu
2018-03-29 02:40:09 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 02:23:10 -0400, Gospel TT
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I no & also you worship satin & are gone to hell.
Worship Satin?

hahaha :) Get an education, inbred fool.

Evil is to be against God - it's as simple as that. Note, how many
Christians and Muslims are against God.

Krishna says:

Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among
mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the
atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me. - Bg 7.15

That's why only humans can be evil. Animals cannot be evil. Their
consciousness is not enough evolved. They are simply automated
reactions to the modes of material nature. Atheists will end up like
that - totally automated machines in the hands of mother nature -
Maya.

Krishna says:
The spirit soul bewildered by the in?uence of false ego thinks himself
the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three
modes of material nature.
- Bg 3.27

Atheism takes you straight into a lower form of consciousness in the
animal species. Atheism signals to Nature that you don't need a human
life-form. Eating, sleeping, mating, and defending, you can do in any
life-form. Only in the human life-form can the soul understand
Krishna, indeed, that is the only purpose of being human - to
understand and love Krishna.

The thing is, that in a consumer culture they don't want God Conscious
people. Therefore the propaganda machine indoctrinates the population
into an atheistic mentality, for atheists make very good consumers.
Hare Krishnas, for instance, make lousy consumers. But atheists, since
they have no goal in life other to than earn and consume, make ideal
customers for all the wasteful crap being produced in the Coca-cola
culture.

Krishna says:

Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.
- Bg 9.12
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Mike_Duffy
2018-03-29 14:06:18 UTC
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Evil is to be against God - it's as simple as that.
I'm not 'against' your god. I'm just not 'for' your god.

You cannot understand this subtlety due to a lack of brain protein caused
by vegetarian dietary deficiencies and brain pathogens prevalent in grossy
infected Ganges 'holy' water.

In your holy book, you found a statement releasing you from the parental
responsabilities towards your family. You also found a release for your
latent homosexuality via the practice of donning orange dresses in the
company of other males. Cult-engendered brainwashing induced by the
chanting of meaningless mantras has further entrenched your delusions to
the point of sociopathy.

It is not 'as simple as that'. I could go on, but there is no point. You
are a lost soul.
Jahnu
2018-03-30 12:20:25 UTC
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I'm not 'against' your god. I'm just not 'for' your god.
There is no such thing as my God or your God. There is only the one
God.
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You cannot understand this subtlety due to a lack of brain protein caused
by vegetarian dietary deficiencies and brain pathogens prevalent in grossy
infected Ganges 'holy' water.
Boy, you are actually quite stupid :)

It's comon knowledge by now how harmful a meat-based diet is for
society, poor indoctrinated fool.

--but, but slices of a carcass is good for me and mah kids. Ah seen it
on TV.

As long as there are slaughter-houses, there will be battlefields. A
vegetarian diet is the acid test of humanitarian.

-- Leo Tolstoy
Post by Mike_Duffy
In your holy book, you found a statement releasing you from the parental
responsabilities towards your family. You also found a release for your
latent homosexuality via the practice of donning orange dresses in the
company of other males. Cult-engendered brainwashing induced by the
chanting of meaningless mantras has further entrenched your delusions to
the point of sociopathy.
awww, is it now I break down sobbing and beg forgiveness? :D
Post by Mike_Duffy
It is not 'as simple as that'. I could go on, but there is no point. You
are a lost soul.
Who is lost will be made painfully clear to you in due course. At that
time you will thank me for having exposed you to the sound of the holy
name.


Truly Bizarre Risk From Eating Hamburgers

Parents, beware! Children who eat hamburgers just once a week are
twice as likely to develop asthma and wheezing problems,
Foodconsumer.org reports of a new study from New Zealand.

Specifically, kids who eat one hamburger a week are 75 percent more
likely to have asthma and 100 percent more likely to have wheezing
problems.

It's not just hamburgers. Many foods you might purchase at a fast-food
restaurant, including soda pop, were found to increase the risk of
asthma, according to the researchers at the Wellington Asthma Research
Group based at the Wellington Medical School in New Zealand.

The conclusions were drawn from the International Study of Asthma and
Allergies in Childhood, a research project that involved 1,321
children between the ages of 10 and 12. Diet and asthma symptoms were
recorded.

The results are surprising: Compared with children who never ate
hamburgers, those who ate them frequently had a much higher risk of
experiencing asthma symptoms. The more hamburgers a child ate, the
higher the incidence of
asthma.

Why hamburgers? It could be the high salt content that boosts the risk
of asthma, according to study leader Dr. Kristen Wickens. Asthma has
long been suspected to be the result of the high-fat western diet,
higher standard of living and decreased physical activity.

According to the Centers for Disease Control, in 2003 asthma in the
United States caused:

12.7 million doctor visits

1.2 million hospital outpatient visits

1.9 million emergency department visits

484,000 hospitalizations

4,261 deaths
The study findings were published in the journal Allergy.

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http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM

Gospel TT
2018-03-29 20:18:15 UTC
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 02:23:10 -0400, Gospel TT
Post by Gospel TT
I no & also you worship satin & are gone to hell.
Worship Satin?
hahaha :) Get an education, inbred fool.
Your a rumdum that never learn's lol.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-03-19 07:22:21 UTC
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Nope. The answer, without doubt, is that they are all bullshit.

Because a nobody like you says so? hahaha :)

--but, but Ah seen it on TV.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-03-19 07:26:31 UTC
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Nope. The answer, without doubt, is that they are all bullshit.

Because a nobody like you says so? hahaha :)

____________________

You mean as opposed to a nobody like you who has been debunked numerous times and who posts pseudoscience as if it were real science?

Like the nobody YOU are?

Holy cow but you're thick?
Gospel TT
2018-03-12 03:15:54 UTC
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2018 16:28:21 -0500, Gospel TT
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Your not so posed to discriminate rumdum it's prejudice.
You make no sense, at all.
I make lot's of sent's cause I no your gone to hell rumdum
Krishna's are gone to hell.
Yap Honghor
2018-03-13 02:40:20 UTC
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On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 02:54:47 -0800 (PST), Yap Honghor
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Since you say that, why are you not with your pixie?
Human society doesn't mind to have one person less.....
Preaching on usenet to antagonists, one thing I hear real often is -
uh duh, you can't think for yourself. You need some old books to think
for you.
You mean people now should live in the Bronze or stone age?????
Post by Jahnu
But the real fact of the matter is that main-stream people would be up
the proverbial creek without a paddle if they didn't have TV,
newspapers and magazines to tell them what to think and believe. They
all say the same things and have the same values. How is it
independent thinking to talk, think and be like millions of other
people?
I would venture to say, that the more a point of view is prevalent in
society, the more people who share a view-point, the less independent
it is.
Practically nobody except the Hare Krishnas think like the Hare
Krishnas, and the Hare Krishnas are a tiny minority of people on
planet. So actually the Hare Krishnas must be the most independent
type of thinkers.
The Hare Krishna way of thinking is based on an ancient, revealed
science, that has been tried and tested since time immemorial whereas
the thinking of people in mainstream society is dictated by mass media
and Hollywood. So whose thinking is most independent, seriously? That
also begs the question - what is the definition of independent
thinking, and who defines it? If you say, independent thinking is
defined by the majority of people, how is it independent thinking? So
when people tell you, that you have no independent thoughts, they have
no idea what they are talking about. They are merely mindlessly
repeating a slogan.
Next time someone challenges you - you can't think for yourself - ask
that person to name just one single, miniscule, little thought he or
she has come up with by themselves. Let's hear some of your
independent thoughts. That'll stomp anyone... just try. Nothing of
what people in general have to offer are based on independent
thinking.
The real fact is that nobody is thinking independently. Everyone's
thinking is inspired by what they have heard and learned from others.
So what's best? - to be inspired by the ancient teachings of the Vedic
tradition or to be inspired by CNN and Fox news or the garbage they
teach you in school?
"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
One must deliver himself with the help of his mind, and not degrade
himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy
as well. (Bg. 6.5)
For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends;
but for one who has failed to do so, his mind will remain the greatest
enemy. (Bg. 6.6)
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Cloud Hobbit
2018-03-12 03:41:52 UTC
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Nobody is able to distinguish reality from illusion unless there is a
God to do it for you.

Nobody who believes in the insane crap you or any other fundy types cling to is able to distinguish illusions from reality.

The claim tha a God is required is unsubstantiated nonsense.



If there is no God, reality will never rise
above relative human speculation.


Bullshit. Reality is objective and does not need a God to allow us to perceive it.

And if there is a God, He can tell
you the truth about life. It's as simple as that.


For simpletons like you.

Just like aaa your blank assertions prove nothing and neither does the woo woo bullshit you claim as evidence.
Davej
2018-03-13 03:32:54 UTC
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Nobody is able to distinguish reality from illusion unless
there is a God to do it for you.
Really? Does he communicate with you telepathically?
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