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Defending Christian morality
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Cloud Hobbit
2017-12-29 04:33:17 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
Alex W.
2017-12-29 07:05:24 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that
biblical morality is correct? If so why?
A lot of it is -- or should be -- uncontroversial because it is as
near-universal as makes no difference. Injunctions to respect your
parents, to obey the law, not to steal or murder, not to mess with
someone's spouse ... they are self-evidently correct and moral, and can
be argued and justified without resorting to any deity.

The validity of harsher aspects of biblical morality depend very much on
context and circumstances. For us lucky folk, they have no place in
today's world where we have developed other mechanisms for coping, for
ensuring the survival of communities and societies. But if you were to
live on the margins, if your survival and that of your family and
community were constantly at risk of extinction, then a great many of
these rules can make sense. Dietary rules can help promote good
nutrition. Social diktats can ensure a cultural identity, social
harmony, conformity and cohesion: vital when a small community is
constantly threatened by the environment, the climate, or other outside
agencies (especially bigger or more aggressive human neighbours).
Adultery, for example, is not a major problem for us who live in large
cities and even larger nation-states -- but in a small and often
isolated community the ructions caused by sleeping around are a serious
threat to the social fabric. A Kalahari bushman or member of an
Amazonian tribe may scratch his or her head at the notion of such laws
promulgated by an invisible and ineffable sky pixie, but I warrant they
will recognise and approve of the rules themselves, recognising their
utility.
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2017-12-29 10:42:41 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in the Torah Book of Exodus.
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2017-12-29 18:52:05 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in the Torah Book of Exodus.
The "commandments" dealing with god have nothing to do with morality.
The rest of the commandments were plagiarized from Hammurabi, and no
telling where he picked them up.
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2017-12-29 19:23:48 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in the Torah Book of Exodus.
The "commandments" dealing with god have nothing to do with morality.
The rest of the commandments were plagiarized from Hammurabi, and no
telling where he picked them up.
The English language that you speak was plagiarized from German.
Siri Cruise
2017-12-29 22:16:22 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that
biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in
the Torah Book of Exodus.
The "commandments" dealing with god have nothing to do with morality.
The rest of the commandments were plagiarized from Hammurabi, and no
telling where he picked them up.
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
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Teresita
2017-12-29 22:53:32 UTC
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The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
Kevrob
2017-12-29 23:15:38 UTC
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The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
The NT has 2. The one mentioned above, and to love ghod.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commandment
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It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The OLD Testament has the 613 commandments, and only for Jews.

We gentiles are only charged by it with seven, in the
opinion of some:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

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2017-12-30 02:11:48 UTC
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The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The 613 are in the Old Testament.

Cloud Hobbit
2017-12-29 23:33:48 UTC
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The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in the Torah Book of Exodus.


Perhaps you were unaware that Christans include the OT in their belief system.

So the 10 commandments are also part of Christian morality.
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2017-12-30 02:09:50 UTC
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The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in the Torah Book of Exodus.
Perhaps you were unaware that Christans include the OT in their belief system.
So the 10 commandments are also part of Christian morality.
The source is Judaism.
John Locke
2017-12-29 17:22:21 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
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2017-12-29 18:05:03 UTC
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:33:17 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
Go dig them up and yell at them.
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2017-12-29 18:14:23 UTC
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:33:17 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
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2017-12-29 18:53:51 UTC
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Post by John Locke
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:33:17 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
What's your point? We are just now figuring out homosexuality is not
a crime. The bible was an impediment to morality not the font of it.
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2017-12-29 19:24:39 UTC
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:33:17 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
What's your point? We are just now figuring out homosexuality is not
a crime. The bible was an impediment to morality not the font of it.
Morality changes.
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2017-12-29 19:27:01 UTC
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Post by John Locke
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:33:17 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
What's your point? We are just now figuring out homosexuality is not
a crime.
It is in 76 countries.
Teresita
2017-12-29 20:11:37 UTC
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:33:17 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
19th Century. December 1865. 13th Amendment.
Kevrob
2017-12-29 21:05:31 UTC
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:33:17 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
Mostly the 19th: the 1800s. France outlawed slavery in 1789, during
its Revolution, but slavery on the island of Great Britain had been
having its legality eroded by various court cases since the mid-1500s,
and into the 1700s.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_at_common_law

Britain's Parliament passed an Abolition Act in 1834, the
US outlawed slavery after the Civil War in all its territories,
and Saudi Arabia and yemen got around to abolition in 1962:
on paper, anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom

Tandy, as usual, is sloppy with his "facts."

Kevin R
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2017-12-29 21:49:40 UTC
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:33:17 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
If thou shalt not kill is "common sense", why do we have so many wars?
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