On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
Post by Wexford EirePost by defaultOn Sun, 26 Jun 2016 08:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
Post by Wexford EirePost by Christopher A. LeeOn Sat, 25 Jun 2016 15:44:37 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
Post by Jeanne DouglasRemember those parents in Texas who sued the state for insisting that
they should be actually be educating their children in their home
"school" and the parents said they were all about to be raptured so all
they had to do with their kids is prepare them for that?
"Texas Supreme Court Rules That Christian Parents Can Keep Their Kids
Stupid"
<http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/06/25/texas-supreme-court-rules-that-c
hristian-parents-can-keep-their-kids-stupid/>
or
<http://bit.ly/28Ud834>
That would put them on a par with Catholic schools IMO.
Your opinion is utterly moronic. I went to a Catholic HS and received a first class education. These idiots sued for the right NOT to educate their children.
You only think you did because that is what they told you. I went to
both a Catholic 2 years, 2 schools, and public 2 years. (high schools
- 8 years of Catholic grammar school.
No. I know damn well I received a good education because many of my friends went to the local public schools, which were quite good by the way, and we often discussed our classes and our ambitions. My SAT scores were over 1400 (when the highest SAT score possible was 1600), and I wasn't the best student in the class. One of my fellow students scored 1580 on the SAT and 800 on the World History AP exam. Ten of my classmates received appointments to the Military Academies, and several others were admitted to Ivy League schools. My graduating class eventually produced a number of PhDs, MDs, and JDs, along with engineers, military officers, accountants and others. .When I went to a private secular university after high school, I was ahead of most of my public school counterparts. In one small example of the quality of the education we received, summer reading was assigned and we were tested on it. The books we were assigned between my junior and senior year were "Crime and Punishment,"
Tolstoy's "Resurrection," Dumas' "count of Monte Cristo," and several short stories including works by Kafka, Mann, and James Joyce. My public school counterparts were completely ignorant of the authors and astounded that we had to read over the summer.
My own Catholic grammar school "education" consisted of 60 and 70 year
old nuns, with absolutely no vocation for teaching, concerning
themselves with establishing dominance and stamping out
"disobedience." The reiterated lesson was to tell us how holy they
and priests were and how god would punish us.
Learning was entirely rote memorization and repetition, I didn't
discover how fascinating history was until I was in the Navy. I
learned to read by having my Dad help me with the Sunday color comics
in the newspaper. In class I was staring out the window most of the
time daydreaming or finding ways to challenge their authority.
I read the unabridged Moby Dick by age seven along with an English
translation of The DeCameron, Pearl Buck's "The Good Earth," The
Canterbury Tales, etc.. They weren't "required reading." Three
Musketeers, Count of Monte Cristo, Prisoner of Zenda, James Joyce, and
of course John Cleland, Frank Harris, D. H. Lawrence, J. D. Salinger,
Steinbeck, etc..
Tolstoy and Dostoevsky I have no taste for.
By contrast the two years in public school were with people who
actually made a profession of teaching and were enthusiastic about it.
I stayed after school finished because it was that interesting, and
when I wasn't doing well (right after leaving a Catholic High School
- I really hated school then) they sent me off to have my IQ tested,
decided I was "gifted" and sent me off to learn Electronics. (which
was my hobby)
It was a real comedown to be back in a Catholic High School for my
last year, but I had some hope by then and managed to graduate. They
were going to fail me because I refused to attend graduation
rehearsal... it was on a Saturday, and just a lot of blow hard
propaganda for the parents that were forking over some serious change
to have their children abused....
To "punish" me I had to stay after school one hour for a week. I
assembled a voice emulator for the Physics teacher (an old nun) and
spent time with the lay English teacher teaching her to play chess. It
was almost as much fun as I could have at home, building rockets,
making gun powder, cannons, flares, and hydrogen balloons.
Post by Wexford EirePost by defaultPost by Wexford EirePost by Christopher A. LeeOne has to consider the Texas judges making the ruling probably all
went to Texas schools themselves. In light of that, how much worse
off can the children be?
One hell of a lot worse off. The parents want them to learn nothing at all.
You seem to think that children are not curious and full of interest
about the world around them. Children learn.
Not if they're taught arrant religious nonsense and to scorn scholarship and true learning, which is what this couple is done. Do you have any concept of how utter evil, how disgusting and abusive this is? Parents who attempt to raise their children in ignorance should have the children removed and should be sent to mental evaluation and counseling.
I have an absolutely perfect idea of how "utter evil, how disgusting
and abusive this is." You are describing my experience in Catholic
school! Complete with "arrant religious nonsense, etc.."
Children are more resilient than we credit them. Probably all those
shrinks explaining how Charles Manson's childhood turned him into a
monster.
Post by Wexford EirePost by defaultTeaching is passive, learning is active.
So what? You can't learn if the things to learn are taken away and replaced by superstition and nonsense. These parents don't want to teach their children anything. Why can't you get that through your skull?
Religious instruction is child abuse, I'll go one better: "ANY
ideological indoctrination is child abuse." Doesn't matter if they
are spouting off about god, expounding on racial bigotry, sexuality,
homosexuality, or political nationalism.
Witness Israel and Palestine. Would that go on if the children were
taken from their parents and educated and socialized with one another?
People should learn to think for themselves. Question everything and
every one - particularly those people telling you they have YOUR best
interest in THEIR hearts.
Post by Wexford EirePost by defaultI learned a lot bumming around the country on my motorcycle. Some of
the most lively curious and active children I met on the road in a
hippie bus. Imagine conversing with a 7 year old who can match most
adults with their knowledge, and the self-confidence was nothing short
of amazing. (and I don't use the word amazing lightly)
I met plenty of hippies, and went to school with score of them. I never met one who wasn't an utter moron.
I think you met "stoners." They are a sub-culture of the hippie
"philosophy." There are some remarkably erudite people that are also
hippies as a result of their choices and lifestyle. But I'll grant
you: they were in the minority...
Collectively I dislike a lot of "groups," but individually I keep an
open mind. Generally I hate PhD's, many of them can't learn because
they know it all. I like engineers because they know they don't know
it all. Generally speaking...
I think too many PhD's get into management positions and suck down
exorbitant salaries simply because it looks good to investors or
regulators to introduce a "doctor" to speak for the company. The
PhD's, on the other hand, probably think they are overpaid because
they are that smart.
Post by Wexford EirePost by defaultPost by Wexford EirePost by Christopher A. LeeMany children learn in spite of school.
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Another poor bastard who graduated with a low C average, aren't you?
No just an electrical engineer who made some of the first "smart
bombs" in the 70's and the first plasma panel displays, and plasma
display calculators long before the first led or T! 30 came on the
scene.
The first smart bombs, wire controlled, were made in the 1940s, but I assume you're talking about the weapons developed toward the end of the Vietnam war. I worked on smart weapons, too, the GBU 16, AGM 130, and the Hellfire Missile.
This was in the 70's out in California. I think the euphemism went
something like "optically guided free fall munitions" or something
like that. Where they show the concrete bunker and a bird's eye view
that goes to noise? They didn't have a designation since this was
'think tank" stuff back then. It did have classified code names. One
place I worked at had a division that was playing with blind
(naturally blind) electric eels, trying to adapt their prey locating,
to finding submarines.
They already had primitive optically guided bombs in WW2...
I'm amazed at some of the shit that was developed in WW2.
Post by Wexford EirePost by defaultBut I also worked in a railroad "section crew," up in Montana,
breakfast cook at the Canyon campground Yellowstone Park, handyman at
a lodge along NC's outer banks, etc.. THAT too is an education,
idiot!
Good for you. I did crap work, too, learned nothing from it, and it all pointed to the value of a real education.
I figure I can learn something from everyone. I learned to stuff
newspaper under my motorcycle jacket and put a plastic garbage bag
over that, after watching a homeless man bed down for the night.
A snowmobile suit is nice, but if you're a thousand miles from nowhere
and the weather turns to shit...
It isn't the fault of an experience if you don't learn something from
it.
Post by Wexford EirePost by defaultRead up on how Finland educates it's youngsters. They play and
interact socially, the "teachers" are just there to answer questions
and guide them. Their children surpass all but some Chinese schools
and their children are happy not pressured into learning.
The Chinese are subject to testing that determines everything in their lives. School is about memorization more than understanding and Chinese who can afford it send the children to prep schools after normal school hours and hire tutors to get them through the national exams. Once through high school, they send them abroad because their universities aren't very good.