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2017-10-12 08:52:07 UTC
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".

definition:
theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
atheist - any person not a theist.

Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Siri Cruise
2017-10-12 09:51:58 UTC
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
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2017-10-12 10:24:00 UTC
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.

Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are not alone, that
probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and secondly because Christians intend to
force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).

If Christians would keep their religious nonsense to themselves then there would be no problem.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Siri Cruise
2017-10-12 11:10:38 UTC
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Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Take high school geometry. Learn what logic actually is.
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Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are not alone, that
Non sequitur.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
About 50% of all Americans are women. I can recognise that without expounding
that semen is *THE* foundation of maleness and therefore I must insult men.
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force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning
of Christianity).
Jehovah Witnesses are christians and they have been fighting established
religion a lot more than you. Your religious bigotry drives away potential
allies. Hatred makes you stupid.
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If Christians would keep their religious nonsense to themselves then there
would be no problem.
'Wah! Freedom of speech is slavery!'
~~ !!Atheistic Big Brother

Stop being a Republican. Convince people instead of suppressing them.
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2017-10-12 11:51:55 UTC
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
Kurt Nicklas
2017-10-12 12:07:59 UTC
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
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2017-10-12 17:28:58 UTC
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
They try to pass laws.
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2017-10-12 17:39:10 UTC
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
They try to pass laws.
Only SOME of the Christians want to use the government to force
religion on the rest of us, but their is a metric buttload of them,
they are very loud, and they are often organized. Depending on
where you live, they can be a majority. Even weak believers or
those who are only "culturally" Catholic or Baptist or whatever
may go along with nonsense such as organized prayer in the public
schools, 10 Commandments monuments on government property, etc.
There's a lot of "I don't believe in that myself, but I don't
mind it because...mumble...general morality...fumble...can we
talk about something else, please?" squishiness on separation
of church and state. People from sects that have been discriminated
against care, and ex-members of religions care about keeping them
separate, but a lot of people don't mind. The issue isn't salient
for them, even if they would agree with the principle if polled.

Kevin R
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2017-10-14 21:54:49 UTC
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
They try to pass laws.
Only SOME of the Christians want to use the government to force
religion on the rest of us,
No, dickhead, it's not just a mere "SOME", virtually ALL Christians want laws; even
the less-vocal who tithe (give money) are supporting (paying for) the vocal and
proseletizing, and otherwise support religion based laws by their go-along silence.
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Kevin R
You're such a milque-toast (weak shallow thinker pussified momma's boy).
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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2017-10-14 23:22:34 UTC
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
They try to pass laws.
Only SOME of the Christians want to use the government to force
religion on the rest of us,
No, dickhead, it's not just a mere "SOME", virtually ALL Christians want laws
You have any data to back that up?
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even the less-vocal who tithe (give money) are supporting
(paying for) the vocal and proseletizing, and otherwise support
religion based laws by their go-along silence.
Here's info showing tithing isn't that common in the US:

https://www.aol.com/article/finance/2015/04/03/do-only-rich-folks-tithe/21159958/

Some Christian denominations never put the emphasis on tithing
others did, notably Roman Catholics. Tithing was an Old Testament
requirement on the Jews. The various Christian sects, while definitely
encouraging charitable giving, including to the church, have various
positions on the tithing issue.
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You're such a milque-toast (weak shallow thinker
Your trollish posts don't seem to reflect much thought at all.
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pussified momma's boy).
What's with insults based on old-fashioned gender stereotypes?
If one has a vagina, one is fearful and weak? Nonsense.

If I were such a "Mama's boy" I wouldn't have angered her years
ago by leaving her church. I did still love my mother, I just
disagreed with her.

Kevin R
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2017-10-15 02:12:37 UTC
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
They try to pass laws.
Only SOME of the Christians want to use the government to force
religion on the rest of us,
No, dickhead, it's not just a mere "SOME", virtually ALL Christians want laws
You have any data to back that up?
Of course, dickhead; I showed 1,000,000 Christians a list of Bible-based U.S.
laws and asked them if they wanted all those laws eliminated and 100% said they
wanted to keep at least some of the laws.
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even the less-vocal who tithe (give money) are supporting
(paying for) the vocal and proseletizing, and otherwise support
religion based laws by their go-along silence.
No, dickhead, an opinion article url means nothing; it's just another opinion.
The point is that virtually 100% of all Christians support having religion based
laws that everyone must follow and tithing by the otherwise low-profile Christian
is just one way they support their more active fellow Christian's intrusion on our
freedom to not be Christian, you retarded libertarian. Got it?, tithing is not the
issue, and your "rebuttal" that "only SOME" Christians want the laws is not
thought-out, you milque-toast pussified say-nothing time-waster and/or apparent idiot.
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Kevin R
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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2017-10-15 09:41:08 UTC
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[...]
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
They try to pass laws.
Only SOME of the Christians want to use the government to force
religion on the rest of us,
No, dickhead, it's not just a mere "SOME", virtually ALL Christians want laws
You have any data to back that up?
Of course, dickhead; I showed 1,000,000 Christians a list of Bible-based U.S.
laws and asked them if they wanted all those laws eliminated and 100% said they
wanted to keep at least some of the laws.
Sure you did.

I'm getting more and more convinced that Ol' "notnot" is faking
his atheism, and trying to do a parody version of a doctrinaire
"strong atheist."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
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even the less-vocal who tithe (give money) are supporting
(paying for) the vocal and proseletizing, and otherwise support
religion based laws by their go-along silence.
No, dickhead, an opinion article url means nothing; it's just another opinion.
The article references research, with links,
like this one:

http://www.stateoftheplate.info/index.htm
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The point is that virtually 100% of all Christians support having
religion based laws that everyone must follow
No data on that, either. Take really controversial ones,
like abortion or the death penalty. Nowhere near 100% of
Christians agree on what government should do there.
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and tithing by the otherwise low-profile Christian
is just one way they support their more active fellow Christian's
intrusion on our freedom to not be Christian,
Somebody who belongs to a private group donates to it,
so, tyranny? Fail.
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you retarded
Casually throwing around the term "retarded" marks you as
a lout.
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libertarian.
I am that. There are atheists of all sorts of political stripes.
Are those of us who aren't statist supposed to bow down before
NotNot the First, Atheist Pope-Emperor?
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Got it?, tithing is not the
issue, and your "rebuttal" that "only SOME" Christians want the laws is not
thought-out, you milque-toast pussified say-nothing time-waster and/or apparent idiot.
Drop the net-bully act, troll. Which fundy religious nuthouse
do you inhabit when you aren't a pretend-atheist on USENET, anyway?

Kevin R
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2017-10-15 19:55:32 UTC
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On Saturday, October 14, 2017 at 5:54:51 PM UTC-4, !! Atheist
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
They try to pass laws.
Only SOME of the Christians want to use the government to force
religion on the rest of us,
No, dickhead, it's not just a mere "SOME", virtually ALL Christians want laws
You have any data to back that up?
Of course, dickhead; I showed 1,000,000 Christians a list of
Bible-based U.S.
laws and asked them if they wanted all those laws eliminated and 100%
said they wanted to keep at least some of the laws.
Sure you did.
I'm getting more and more convinced that Ol' "notnot" is faking his
atheism, and trying to do a parody version of a doctrinaire "strong
atheist."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
Post by !! Atheist ------------------------------
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even the less-vocal who tithe (give money) are supporting (paying
for) the vocal and proseletizing, and otherwise support religion
based laws by their go-along silence.
No, dickhead, an opinion article url means nothing; it's just another opinion.
The article references research, with links,
http://www.stateoftheplate.info/index.htm
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The point is that virtually 100% of all Christians support having
religion based laws that everyone must follow
No data on that, either. Take really controversial ones,
like abortion or the death penalty. Nowhere near 100% of Christians
agree on what government should do there.
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and tithing by the otherwise low-profile Christian is just one way they
support their more active fellow Christian's intrusion on our freedom
to not be Christian,
Somebody who belongs to a private group donates to it,
so, tyranny? Fail.
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you retarded
Casually throwing around the term "retarded" marks you as a lout.
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libertarian.
I am that. There are atheists of all sorts of political stripes.
Are those of us who aren't statist supposed to bow down before NotNot
the First, Atheist Pope-Emperor?
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Got it?, tithing is not the issue, and your "rebuttal" that "only SOME"
Christians want the laws is not thought-out, you milque-toast pussified
say-nothing time-waster and/or apparent idiot.
Drop the net-bully act, troll. Which fundy religious nuthouse do you
inhabit when you aren't a pretend-atheist on USENET, anyway?
Kevin R
Note also that one of his first posts was a complaint against the amount
of vitriol in the posts here.
Hypocrisy, thy name is !!Atheist.
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
They try to pass laws.
Only SOME of the Christians want to use the government to force
religion on the rest of us,
No, dickhead, it's not just a mere "SOME", virtually ALL Christians want laws
You have any data to back that up?
Of course, dickhead; I showed 1,000,000 Christians a list of Bible-based U.S.
laws and asked them if they wanted all those laws eliminated and 100% said they
wanted to keep at least some of the laws.
Sure you did.
I'm getting more and more convinced that Ol' "notnot" is faking
his atheism, and trying to do a parody version of a doctrinaire
"strong atheist."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
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even the less-vocal who tithe (give money) are supporting
(paying for) the vocal and proseletizing, and otherwise support
religion based laws by their go-along silence.
No, dickhead, an opinion article url means nothing; it's just another opinion.
The article references research, with links,
http://www.stateoftheplate.info/index.htm
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The point is that virtually 100% of all Christians support having
religion based laws that everyone must follow
No data on that, either. Take really controversial ones,
like abortion or the death penalty. Nowhere near 100% of
Christians agree on what government should do there.
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and tithing by the otherwise low-profile Christian
is just one way they support their more active fellow Christian's
intrusion on our freedom to not be Christian,
Somebody who belongs to a private group donates to it,
so, tyranny? Fail.
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you retarded
Casually throwing around the term "retarded" marks you as
a lout.
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libertarian.
I am that. There are atheists of all sorts of political stripes.
Are those of us who aren't statist supposed to bow down before
NotNot the First, Atheist Pope-Emperor?
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Got it?, tithing is not the
issue, and your "rebuttal" that "only SOME" Christians want the laws is not
thought-out, you milque-toast pussified say-nothing time-waster and/or apparent idiot.
Drop the net-bully act, troll. Which fundy religious nuthouse
do you inhabit when you aren't a pretend-atheist on USENET, anyway?
!! is the only unpretentious, honest atheist here.

The rest of you are the parodies.
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2017-10-16 09:13:19 UTC
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, you milque-toast pussified say-nothing time-waster and/or
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LOL
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Kevin R
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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LOL
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Kevin R
It's a sign of insanity to laugh at your own posts.
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, you milque-toast pussified say-nothing time-waster and/or apparent
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LOL
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Kevin R
It's a sign of insanity to laugh at your own posts.
I frequently laugh at my posts.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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, you milque-toast pussified say-nothing time-waster and/or apparent
idiot.
LOL
It's a sign of insanity to laugh at your own posts.
I frequently laugh at my posts.
A sure sign of your insanity.
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, you milque-toast pussified say-nothing time-waster and/or apparent
idiot.
LOL
It's a sign of insanity to laugh at your own posts.
I frequently laugh at my posts.
A sure sign of your insanity.
His admission does not, however, surprise me.
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, you milque-toast pussified say-nothing time-waster and/or apparent
idiot.
LOL
It's a sign of insanity to laugh at your own posts.
I frequently laugh at my posts.
A sure sign of your insanity.
His admission does not, however, surprise me.
Nor me.
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, you milque-toast pussified say-nothing time-waster and/or apparent
idiot.
LOL
It's a sign of insanity to laugh at your own posts.
I frequently laugh at my posts.
A sure sign of your insanity.
His admission does not, however, surprise me.
Nor me.
Would either of you like to give me a blow job?
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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, you milque-toast pussified say-nothing time-waster and/or
apparent idiot.
LOL
It's a sign of insanity to laugh at your own posts.
I frequently laugh at my posts.
A sure sign of your insanity.
His admission does not, however, surprise me.
Nor me.
Would either of you like to give me a blow job?
You'd have to remove your dick from your boyfriend's arse before that
would be possible.
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, you milque-toast pussified say-nothing time-waster and/or
apparent idiot.
LOL
It's a sign of insanity to laugh at your own posts.
I frequently laugh at my posts.
A sure sign of your insanity.
His admission does not, however, surprise me.
Nor me.
Would either of you like to give me a blow job?
You'd have to remove your dick from your boyfriend's arse before that
would be possible.
I'm not homo but I'd be happy to shove my dick up your ass before you give me that blowjob.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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, you milque-toast pussified say-nothing time-waster and/or apparent
idiot.
LOL
It's a sign of insanity to laugh at your own posts.
I frequently laugh at my posts.
A sure sign of your insanity.
His admission does not, however, surprise me.
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Nor me.
Would either of you like to give me a blow job?
They're not homos, faggot.
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
They try to pass laws.
If you favor single-payer health care, repealing the 2nd amendment, sanctuary cities and anything that Rachel Maddow says then you're trying to force your beliefs on others.

No difference.

So stop doing it.
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
The same kind you do invading our newsgroup to harass us, since we refuse to convert to your several religions (now, that would be quite a trick, converting
Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism all at the same time.)
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Poor baby. Who's crying now?
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
Christians believe?
Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
The same kind you do invading our newsgroup to harass us,
No one forces you to read anything I or anyone else posts here.

Why are left-wingers so desperate to find a way to pose as a victim?

since we refuse to convert to your several religions (now, that would be quite a trick, converting
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Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism all at the same time.)
What in hades are you talking about?????
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
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Because they constantly try to force their beliefs onto others.
What sort of "force" do they use on you?
Force of law, dickhead. From birth control to teaching Bible/creationism/anti-evolution/anti-science
to "so help me God" to standing for prayer to 'blue laws'.
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The in-your-face moron knows because she's had it explained many
times, and was just being deliberately stupid to try and annoy.

But the lying religious loonies need to pretend it ain't so.
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Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Take high school geometry. Learn what logic actually is.
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Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they
are
not alone, that
Non sequitur.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
About 50% of all Americans are women. I can recognise that without expounding
that semen is *THE* foundation of maleness and therefore I must insult men.
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force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning
of Christianity).
Jehovah Witnesses are christians and they have been fighting established
religion a lot more than you. Your religious bigotry drives away potential
allies. Hatred makes you stupid.
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If Christians would keep their religious nonsense to themselves then there
would be no problem.
'Wah! Freedom of speech is slavery!'
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Stop being a Republican. Convince people instead of suppressing them.
Jeesh... you both are a couple of morons..
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Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Take high school geometry. Learn what logic actually is.
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Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are
not alone, that
Non sequitur.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
About 50% of all Americans are women. I can recognise that without expounding
that semen is *THE* foundation of maleness and therefore I must insult men.
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force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning
of Christianity).
Jehovah Witnesses are christians and they have been fighting established
religion a lot more than you. Your religious bigotry drives away potential
allies. Hatred makes you stupid.
No, they are not. The profess Jesus is merely a man.
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would be no problem.
'Wah! Freedom of speech is slavery!'
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Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Take high school geometry. Learn what logic actually is.
Idiot.

Your premise/conclusion seems to be:
If you care what christians believe, then you believe a god exists (hence your "liar" charge).

You are clearly a self-confused idiot.
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Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Take high school geometry. Learn what logic actually is.
Idiot.
If you care what christians believe, then you believe a god exists (hence
your "liar" charge).
You are clearly a self-confused idiot.
Actually you're giving lie to your claim that you merely don't believe gods
exists when in fact you belief gods don't exist. As the nonhypocrites around you
will point out, those are two different statements.

If you don't believe gods exist, either you would have no interest whether
others believe they do exists because it's a sujet in which you have no
investment, or you're fascist mindraper who needs to control the thoughts of
other people.

Since you are concerned with what christians believe, that actually means you
are invested in the question and so you believe no gods exists.

Or you're a fascist mindraper.


Anywise you have stated elsewhen already stated not that you believe no gods
exists but that it is a fact that no gods exist.

So, yeah, liar, liar, pants on fire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_exhaustion
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Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Take high school geometry. Learn what logic actually is.
Idiot.
If you care what christians believe, then you believe a god exists (hence
your "liar" charge).
You are clearly a self-confused idiot.
Actually you're giving lie to your claim that you merely don't believe gods
exists when in fact you belief gods don't exist. As the nonhypocrites around you
will point out, those are two different statements.
I've repeatedly said that I'm one of the atheists who believe "no gods exist" and
I've given by Scientific Hypothesis with Evidence and Conclusion.

I also don't believe claim that "a god exists".

There is no lie/contradiction/hypocricy you self-confused idiot.
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If you don't believe gods exist, either you would have no interest whether
others believe they do exists because it's a sujet in which you have no
investment, or you're fascist mindraper who needs to control the thoughts of
other people.
Since you are concerned with what christians believe, that actually means you
are invested in the question and so you believe no gods exists.
Or you're a fascist mindraper.
Again, you self-confused dickhead, I've given my simple easy-to-understand reasons and
there is no lie/contradiction/hypocricy except to the self-confused.
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Anywise you have stated elsewhen already stated not that you believe no gods
exists but that it is a fact that no gods exist.
I'll admit again, I have no idea what the fuck you are babbling about.

You are either an idiot or a troll, and idiot is looking strong.
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So, yeah, liar, liar, pants on fire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_exhaustion
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
I've repeatedly said that I'm one of the atheists who believe "no gods exist" and
I've given by Scientific Hypothesis with Evidence and Conclusion.
I also don't believe claim that "a god exists".
There is no lie/contradiction/hypocricy you self-confused idiot.
Lie of omission or lie of commission. Either is still lying.
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theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
I've repeatedly said that I'm one of the atheists who believe "no gods exist" and
I've given by Scientific Hypothesis with Evidence and Conclusion.
I also don't believe claim that "a god exists".
There is no lie/contradiction/hypocricy you self-confused idiot.
Lie of omission or lie of commission. Either is still lying.
I have no idea what you are talking about, you poor self-confused idiot.
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are not alone, that
probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and secondly because Christians intend to
force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for there being NO
God. All you can do is find evidence for God unconvincing.
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If Christians would keep their religious nonsense to themselves then there would be no problem.
We're trying to help you poor fools escape the fires.

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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are not alone, that
probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and secondly because Christians intend to
force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for there being NO
God. All you can do is find evidence for God unconvincing.
...wrong !! What evidence ?..there's is no evidence to evaluate. What
YOU perceive as evidence is just pure religious hokum which can be
dismissed out of hand. The total lack of any kind of verifiable,
testable evidence for any god over thousands of years renders the
conclusion, "no god exists", perfectly tenable.
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We're trying to help you poor fools escape the fires.
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evidence ... can be
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evidence ... can be
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Printing you cut up message right under the original message wasn't very bright of you.
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
If they kept it where it belongs, people wouldn't care.

But when they wipe it in our faces, pass laws based on their beliefs,
etc it is a serious issue.

Ever known anybody with Parkinson's disease, who would benefit from
stem cell research?
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Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are not alone, that
probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and secondly because Christians intend to
force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for there being NO
God. All you can do is find evidence for God unconvincing.
So fucking what?

The deliberate liar knows perfectly well that all it takes to be an
atheist, is not being any kind of theist.
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...wrong !! What evidence ?..there's is no evidence to evaluate. What
YOU perceive as evidence is just pure religious hokum which can be
dismissed out of hand. The total lack of any kind of verifiable,
testable evidence for any god over thousands of years renders the
conclusion, "no god exists", perfectly tenable.
Even this lying, sociopathic imbecile knows that nobody with more than
half a brain believes the impossibilities his religion insists
happened, actually did.

Which is a hurdle he doesn't even try to overcome, which gives the lie
to his claims that he's trying to help us.

He should start by proving all these things.first.
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If Christians would keep their religious nonsense to themselves
then there would be no problem.
Exactly.
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We're trying to help
Liar.
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you poor fools
Liar.
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escape the fires.
Liar.
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are not alone, that
probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and secondly because Christians intend to
force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for there being NO
God. All you can do is find evidence for God unconvincing.
...wrong !! What evidence ?..there's is no evidence to evaluate.
Creation of all things in existence 13.8 billion years ago. No other reason is
possible but God at work.
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What
YOU perceive as evidence is just pure religious hokum which can be
dismissed out of hand. The total lack of any kind of verifiable,
testable evidence for any god over thousands of years renders the
conclusion, "no god exists", perfectly tenable.
You don't have a clue. If you have something that proves there is no God, let's
see it.

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Creation of all things in existence 13.8 billion years ago. No other reason is
possible but God at work.
Assertions without evidence can be dismissed pro forma. No proof
the universe was created.

Kevin R
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Creation of all things in existence 13.8 billion years ago. No other reason is
possible but God at work.
Assertions without evidence can be dismissed pro forma. No proof
the universe was created.
Continuous expansion reveals it started 13.8 billion years ago.

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Creation of all things in existence 13.8 billion years ago. No other reason is
possible but God at work.
Assertions without evidence can be dismissed pro forma. No proof
the universe was created.
Continuous expansion reveals it started 13.8 billion years ago.
That's proof it had a beginning.

It isn't proof it was "created" by some intelligent force: a "creator."

Some people consider this universe to have no beginning. I'm not
one of them. There could have been a state of existence prior to the
big bang, though how we'd figure out what that was could be an
insoluble problem.

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Creation of all things in existence 13.8 billion years ago. No other reason is
possible but God at work.
Assertions without evidence can be dismissed pro forma. No proof
the universe was created.
Continuous expansion reveals it started 13.8 billion years ago.
That's proof it had a beginning.
It isn't proof it was "created" by some intelligent force: a "creator."
It means that something had to create it.
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Some people consider this universe to have no beginning. I'm not
one of them. There could have been a state of existence prior to the
big bang, though how we'd figure out what that was could be an
insoluble problem.
Well, when you figure it out, let me know. You push a "beginning with no
beginning" and then barf at the concept of "God did it".
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Creation of all things in existence 13.8 billion years ago. No other reason is
possible but God at work.
Assertions without evidence can be dismissed pro forma. No proof
the universe was created.
Continuous expansion reveals it started 13.8 billion years ago.
That's proof it had a beginning.
It isn't proof it was "created" by some intelligent force: a "creator."
It means that something had to create it.
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Some people consider this universe to have no beginning. I'm not
one of them. There could have been a state of existence prior to the
big bang, though how we'd figure out what that was could be an
insoluble problem.
Well, when you figure it out, let me know. You push a "beginning with no
beginning" and then barf at the concept of "God did it".
He didn't barf; he gave a plausible answer, something like "We don't know" and "a god is not required".

Your reasoning "Anything complex must have had a creator." is invalid unless you resort
to the "Special Pleading" fallacy of just arbitrarily declaring "My ultra-complex
god is exempt from the premise".
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Creation of all things in existence 13.8 billion years ago. No other reason is
possible but God at work.
Assertions without evidence can be dismissed pro forma. No proof
the universe was created.
Continuous expansion reveals it started 13.8 billion years ago.
That's proof it had a beginning.
It isn't proof it was "created" by some intelligent force: a "creator."
It means that something had to create it.
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Some people consider this universe to have no beginning. I'm not
one of them. There could have been a state of existence prior to the
big bang, though how we'd figure out what that was could be an
insoluble problem.
Well, when you figure it out, let me know. You push a "beginning with no
beginning" and then barf at the concept of "God did it".
He didn't barf; he gave a plausible answer, something like "We don't know" and "a god is not required".
Your reasoning "Anything complex must have had a creator." is invalid unless you resort
to the "Special Pleading" fallacy of just arbitrarily declaring "My ultra-complex
god is exempt from the premise".
Earl is resorting to the old fallacy of

[quote]

... petitio principii, which actually translates to
"assuming the initial point".

[/quote] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

In popular parlance "begging the question."

Again, calling existence "creation" assumes the existence
of a creator, at some point.

What it doesn't do is assume that any such creator is in
existence today. Such a creator could have exhausted itself
in the act of creation and died, or have been destroyed by
one of its creations, the way the norse ghods treated ymir:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ymir
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
So, Earl hasn't proved diddly.

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Creation of all things in existence 13.8 billion years ago. No other reason is
possible but God at work.
Assertions without evidence can be dismissed pro forma. No proof
the universe was created.
Continuous expansion reveals it started 13.8 billion years ago.
That's proof it had a beginning.
It isn't proof it was "created" by some intelligent force: a "creator."
It means that something had to create it.
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Some people consider this universe to have no beginning. I'm not
one of them. There could have been a state of existence prior to the
big bang, though how we'd figure out what that was could be an
insoluble problem.
Well, when you figure it out, let me know. You push a "beginning with no
beginning" and then barf at the concept of "God did it".
He didn't barf; he gave a plausible answer, something like "We don't know" and "a god is not required".
Your reasoning "Anything complex must have had a creator." is invalid unless you resort
to the "Special Pleading" fallacy of just arbitrarily declaring "My ultra-complex
god is exempt from the premise".
Earl is resorting to the old fallacy of
... petitio principii, which actually translates to
"assuming the initial point".
In popular parlance "begging the question."
Kevin R
No, dickhead, it's Special Pleading. "Creating" is in addition to just "existing".
Duke said "Creation of all things in existence" which requires an exception for
his god, and "God did it" means alleged god does something besides existing.
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Creation of all things in existence 13.8 billion years ago. No other reason is
possible but God at work.
Assertions without evidence can be dismissed pro forma. No proof
the universe was created.
Continuous expansion reveals it started 13.8 billion years ago.
That's proof it had a beginning.
It isn't proof it was "created" by some intelligent force: a "creator."
It means that something had to create it.
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Some people consider this universe to have no beginning. I'm not
one of them. There could have been a state of existence prior to the
big bang, though how we'd figure out what that was could be an
insoluble problem.
Well, when you figure it out, let me know. You push a "beginning with no
beginning" and then barf at the concept of "God did it".
He didn't barf; he gave a plausible answer, something like "We don't know" and "a god is not required".
Your reasoning "Anything complex must have had a creator." is invalid unless you resort
to the "Special Pleading" fallacy of just arbitrarily declaring "My ultra-complex
god is exempt from the premise".
Earl is resorting to the old fallacy of
... petitio principii, which actually translates to
"assuming the initial point".
In popular parlance "begging the question."
Kevin R
No, dickhead, it's Special Pleading. "Creating" is in addition to just "existing".
Duke said "Creation of all things in existence" which requires an exception for
his god, and "God did it" means alleged god does something besides existing.
He uses that, o fatuous pottymouth, but in other cases.

I was referring ONLY to the use of the term "creator" before one
has shown that the universe was, in fact, created.

The existence of the universe does not necessarily imply a creator.

Calling the universe "creation" or beings such as humans or animals
"creatures" does assume a creator, just by the vocabulary. That's
a cheap debating trick. (I know. I used to be a cheap debater.)

A universe that has always existed (the old steady-state theory)
doesn't require a creator. If a ghod existed "before time" why
couldn't matter independent of a ghod do so? Hence, the Big Bang
w/o a ghod is at least as plausible as a theistic explanation. It's
simpler, too. Good luck explaining where that "creator ghod" came from.
The universe as an emergent phenomenon makes at least as much sense as
a "created universe," more, since one doesn't have to grapple with
theodicy.* Occam's razor favors the non-created universe.

Earl doesn't give us anything but assertion to backstop his "ghod
the creator" daydream.

Kevin R

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy
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Creation of all things in existence 13.8 billion years ago. No other reason is
possible but God at work.
Assertions without evidence can be dismissed pro forma. No proof
the universe was created.
Continuous expansion reveals it started 13.8 billion years ago.
That's proof it had a beginning.
It isn't proof it was "created" by some intelligent force: a "creator."
It means that something had to create it.
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Some people consider this universe to have no beginning. I'm not
one of them. There could have been a state of existence prior to the
big bang, though how we'd figure out what that was could be an
insoluble problem.
Well, when you figure it out, let me know. You push a "beginning with no
beginning" and then barf at the concept of "God did it".
He didn't barf; he gave a plausible answer, something like "We don't know" and "a god is not required".
Your reasoning "Anything complex must have had a creator." is invalid unless you resort
to the "Special Pleading" fallacy of just arbitrarily declaring "My ultra-complex
god is exempt from the premise".
Earl is resorting to the old fallacy of
... petitio principii, which actually translates to
"assuming the initial point".
In popular parlance "begging the question."
Kevin R
No, dickhead, it's Special Pleading. "Creating" is in addition to just "existing".
Duke said "Creation of all things in existence" which requires an exception for
his god, and "God did it" means alleged god does something besides existing.
He uses that, but in other cases.
Kevin R
No, dickhead, he uses it here as I explained; you don't understand either of these fallacies.
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Again, calling existence "creation" assumes the existence
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Especially when there was "nothing before". The big bang.
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What it doesn't do is assume that any such creator is in
existence today. Such a creator could have exhausted itself
in the act of creation and died, or have been destroyed by
Good grief. How stupid and small of mind can you be.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
So, Earl hasn't proved diddly.
Only God was around at the beginning.


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Again, calling existence "creation" assumes the existence of a creator,
at some point.
Especially when there was "nothing before". The big bang.
Who said that? The singularity was something.
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What it doesn't do is assume that any such creator is in existence
today. Such a creator could have exhausted itself in the act of
creation and died, or have been destroyed by one of its creations, the
Good grief. How stupid and small of mind can you be.
Nowhere near as stupid and small of mind as you are.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
So, Earl hasn't proved diddly.
Only God was around at the beginning.
Merely your unevidenced belief.
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Again, calling existence "creation" assumes the existence of a creator,
at some point.
Especially when there was "nothing before". The big bang.
There was no singularity. There was nothing.

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Again, calling existence "creation" assumes the existence of a creator,
at some point.
Especially when there was "nothing before". The big bang.
Who said that? The singularity was something.
There was no singularity. There was nothing.
According to cretinist websites, but not according to science.
Prove it, liar. Bet you can't.
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Creation of all things in existence 13.8 billion years ago. No other reason is
possible but God at work.
Assertions without evidence can be dismissed pro forma. No proof
the universe was created.
Continuous expansion reveals it started 13.8 billion years ago.
That's proof it had a beginning.
It isn't proof it was "created" by some intelligent force: a "creator."
It means that something had to create it.
heeheehee.
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Some people consider this universe to have no beginning. I'm not
one of them. There could have been a state of existence prior to the
big bang, though how we'd figure out what that was could be an
insoluble problem.
Well, when you figure it out, let me know. You push a "beginning with no
beginning" and then barf at the concept of "God did it".
He didn't barf; he gave a plausible answer, something like "We don't know" and "a god is not required".
What is "a god"?
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Your reasoning "Anything complex must have had a creator." is invalid unless you resort
to the "Special Pleading" fallacy of just arbitrarily declaring "My ultra-complex
god is exempt from the premise".
My supreme creator's name is God. Such a simple concept stymies the weakest of
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Creation of all things in existence 13.8 billion years ago. No other reason is
possible but God at work.
Assertions without evidence can be dismissed pro forma. No proof
the universe was created.
Continuous expansion reveals it started 13.8 billion years ago.
That's proof it had a beginning.
It isn't proof it was "created" by some intelligent force: a "creator."
It means that something had to create it.
heeheehee.
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Some people consider this universe to have no beginning. I'm not
one of them. There could have been a state of existence prior to the
big bang, though how we'd figure out what that was could be an
insoluble problem.
Well, when you figure it out, let me know. You push a "beginning with no
beginning" and then barf at the concept of "God did it".
He didn't barf; he gave a plausible answer, something like "We don't know" and "a god is not required".
What is "a god"?
A god is an alleged entity with supernatural/magical powers.
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Your pathetic credulism is not evidence.
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some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are not alone, that
probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and secondly because Christians intend to
force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for there being NO
God. All you can do is find evidence for God unconvincing.
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We're trying to help you poor fools escape the fires.
You're too stupid to accept that we don't and won't believe as you do, oh
twenty year failure in alt.atheism. You sound so desperate to convert someone,
anyone. Even that lady at your church had already decided on her own to go back to being RC. You didn't even convert her. Did you threaten her with non-existent hellfire, too?
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some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are not alone, that
probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and secondly because Christians intend to
force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for there being NO
God. All you can do is find evidence for God unconvincing.
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If Christians would keep their religious nonsense to themselves then there would be no problem.
We're trying to help you poor fools escape the fires.
You're too stupid to accept that we don't and won't believe as you do, oh
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knows'. And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far
away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know
they are not alone, that probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and
secondly because Christians intend to force Christianity on everyone
(as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for there
being NO God. All you can do is find evidence for God unconvincing.
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there would be no problem.
We're trying to help you poor fools escape the fires.
You're too stupid to accept that we don't and won't believe as you do, oh
Which makes you an agnostic, not an atheist.
And that makes you a Satanist, not a Christian.
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knows'. And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far
away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know
they are not alone, that probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and
secondly because Christians intend to force Christianity on everyone
(as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for there
being NO God. All you can do is find evidence for God unconvincing.
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If Christians would keep their religious nonsense to themselves then
there would be no problem.
We're trying to help you poor fools escape the fires.
You're too stupid to accept that we don't and won't believe as you do, oh
Which makes you an agnostic, not an atheist.
And that makes you a Satanist, not a Christian.
And also a smug fat lying prick.
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knows'. And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some
far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know
they are not alone, that probably 25% of Americans are atheist,
and secondly because Christians intend to force Christianity on
everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of
Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for
there being NO God. All you can do is find evidence for God
unconvincing.
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then there would be no problem.
We're trying to help you poor fools escape the fires.
You're too stupid to accept that we don't and won't believe as you do, oh
Which makes you an agnostic, not an atheist.
And that makes you a Satanist, not a Christian.
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knows'. And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some
far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know
they are not alone, that probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and
secondly because Christians intend to force Christianity on
everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of
Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for
there being NO God. All you can do is find evidence for God
unconvincing.
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then there would be no problem.
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Which makes you an agnostic, not an atheist.
And that makes you a Satanist, not a Christian.
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Who knows how his demented mind will interpret it?
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away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know
they are not alone, that probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and
secondly because Christians intend to force Christianity on everyone
(as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for there
being NO God. All you can do is find evidence for God unconvincing.
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there would be no problem.
We're trying to help you poor fools escape the fires.
You're too stupid to accept that we don't and won't believe as you do, oh
Which makes you an agnostic, not an atheist.
And that makes you a Satanist, not a Christian.
Nope, you can't provide any evidence for there being "no God".

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some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are not alone, that
probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and secondly because Christians intend to
force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for there being NO
God. All you can do is find evidence for God unconvincing.
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We're trying to help you poor fools escape the fires.
Proselytizing again, fool?
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are not alone, that
probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and secondly because Christians intend to
force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
Actually there are no atheists. No one can produce evidence for there being NO
God. All you can do is find evidence for God unconvincing.
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If Christians would keep their religious nonsense to themselves then there would be no problem.
We're trying to help you poor fools escape the fires.
You really hate knowing that you have no evidence that your 'God' exists.
That faith and your Bible are not acceptable evidence. And, without your
'God', there can be no Jesus. So, you really can't even be a Christian.
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some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are not alone, that
probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and secondly because Christians intend to
force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
No one can produce evidence for there being NO God.
And yet no one has ever produced verifiable evidence that a god (named "God") exists.

Ever!
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they are not alone, that
probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and secondly because Christians intend to
force Christianity on everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
No one can produce evidence for there being NO God.
And yet no one has ever produced verifiable evidence that a god (named "God") exists.
The evidence we provided can't be challenged. OTOH, you haven't produced
anything at all for your blind statements.

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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'.
And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away
corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they
are not alone, that probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and
secondly because Christians intend to force Christianity on everyone
(as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
No one can produce evidence for there being NO God.
And yet no one has ever produced verifiable evidence that a god (named "God") exists.
The evidence we provided can't be challenged.
What evidence is that, liar?
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produced anything at all for your blind statements.
What evidence do we need not to believe you, liar?
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'.
And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away
corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know they
are not alone, that probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and
secondly because Christians intend to force Christianity on everyone
(as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
No one can produce evidence for there being NO God.
And yet no one has ever produced verifiable evidence that a god (named "God") exists.
The evidence we provided can't be challenged.
What evidence is that, liar?
Continuous expansion for 13.8 billion years.
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produced anything at all for your blind statements.
What evidence do we need not to believe you, liar?
That there is no God.

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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'.
And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away
corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know
they are not alone, that probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and
secondly because Christians intend to force Christianity on everyone
(as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
No one can produce evidence for there being NO God.
And yet no one has ever produced verifiable evidence that a god (named "God") exists.
The evidence we provided can't be challenged.
What evidence is that, liar?
Continuous expansion for 13.8 billion years.
Shows that there was a beginning, but is not evidence of any supposed god
doing it.
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OTOH, you haven't produced anything at all for your blind statements.
What evidence do we need not to believe you, liar?
That there is no God.
What evidence do you have that there are no leprechauns?
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'.
And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away
corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know
they are not alone, that probably 25% of Americans are atheist, and
secondly because Christians intend to force Christianity on everyone
(as they always have from the very beginning of Christianity).
No one can produce evidence for there being NO God.
And yet no one has ever produced verifiable evidence that a god (named "God") exists.
The evidence we provided can't be challenged.
What evidence is that, liar?
Continuous expansion for 13.8 billion years.
Shows that there was a beginning, but is not evidence of any supposed god
doing it.
What do you define as "any supposed god"? I think you're overplaying the
issue. No man knows or can know what initiated "creation" in the big bang.
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OTOH, you haven't produced anything at all for your blind statements.
What evidence do we need not to believe you, liar?
That there is no God.
What evidence do you have that there are no leprechauns?
None. What evidence do you have there is no God?


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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'.
And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away
corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what
christians believe?
Huh? Your premise to conclusion is badly flawed, nonsensical.
Anyway, for several reasons, mostly I'd like all atheists to know
they are not alone, that probably 25% of Americans are atheist,
and secondly because Christians intend to force Christianity on
everyone (as they always have from the very beginning of
Christianity).
No one can produce evidence for there being NO God.
And yet no one has ever produced verifiable evidence that a god
(named "God") exists.
The evidence we provided can't be challenged.
What evidence is that, liar?
Continuous expansion for 13.8 billion years.
Shows that there was a beginning, but is not evidence of any supposed
god doing it.
What do you define as "any supposed god"? I think you're overplaying
the issue. No man knows or can know what initiated "creation" in the
big bang.
Indeed, so how can you know it was your supposed god?
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OTOH, you haven't produced anything at all for your blind
statements.
What evidence do we need not to believe you, liar?
That there is no God.
What evidence do you have that there are no leprechauns?
None.
So you cannot provide evidence that there are no leprechauns.
Do you believe that they exist?
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What evidence do you have there is no God?
What evidence do I need to not believe you when you claim, without
evidence, there is a god?
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What do you define as "any supposed god"? I think you're overplaying
the issue. No man knows or can know what initiated "creation" in the
big bang.
Indeed, so how can you know it was your supposed god?
It was MY "supreme creator". And yours, and everybody else's.
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OTOH, you haven't produced anything at all for your blind
statements.
What evidence do we need not to believe you, liar?
That there is no God.
What evidence do you have that there are no leprechauns?
None.
So you cannot provide evidence that there are no leprechauns.
Do you believe that they exist?
Maybe they do. I'm an agnostic when it comes to leps just like you are an
agnostic when it comes to God almighty.
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What evidence do you have there is no God?
What evidence do I need to not believe you when you claim, without
evidence, there is a god?
I have the evidence. It's creation - something from nothing appearing in
nothingness 13.8 billion years ago and expanding outward to form our current
universe and all in it.

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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Unless you believe gods do not exist, why do you care what christians believe?
He's just an agnostic.

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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
I for one would say no god can exist in this universe...not no one knows. This latter gives a possibility for its existence.

My reason: There would not be a being so powerful that can create even our moon, let alone millions of huge planets. THERE IS NO SUCH POSSIBILITY, if one uses his brain to think!

And the joke is, the god for the theists will answer their prayers.....then we won't see all the human suffering, would we?
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
I wouldn't call a believer a liar simply because they believe in something
that I don't believe in. That is outright rude. It's when you say things like this that I believe that you are Matthew Brooks. I can't prove it, but you
keep sneaking in little anti-atheist comments like this one exactly the same
way he always has. And your writing style is the same as his.

When theists push their religion in our faces against our will, they are trolls
and deserve what they get.
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theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
atheist - any person not a theist.
An atheist either lacks belief in the existence of a god or gods or
does not believe that a god or gods exist. That's the difference
between a weak or strong atheist.

A religious agnostic can believe that a god exists but doesn't know for certain.
An atheistic agnostic can believe that no god or gods exist but not know for certain. Due to lack of evidence, an atheist knows there is no god of any kind.
After nearly 10,000 years of lack of evidence, anyone with at least half a brain
should at least be suspicious.
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
If someone says 'no one knows', they are agnostic.
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I for one would say no god can exist in this universe...not no one knows. This latter gives a possibility for its existence.
My reason: There would not be a being so powerful that can create even our moon, let alone millions of huge planets. THERE IS NO SUCH POSSIBILITY, if one uses his brain to think!
Why not? Who knows how advanced scientifically some cultures are? But, being
able to move moons and planets still wouldn't make them gods.
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And the joke is, the god for the theists will answer their prayers.....then we won't see all the human suffering, would we?
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
I wouldn't call a believer a liar simply because they believe in something
that I don't believe in.
Which they routinely lie that we do.

The most common reason they get called liars, is for the personal lies
they use as ad hominems.

Or for insisting that our perspective isn't what we've taken the time
and trouble to explain - which implicitly accuses _us_ of lying about
ourselves.

For some reason, even otherwise sensible theists imagine they get to
tell us what our POV "really" is, after we've corrected them.
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That is outright rude. It's when you say things
like this that I believe that you are Matthew Brooks. I can't prove it, but you
keep sneaking in little anti-atheist comments like this one exactly the same
way he always has. And your writing style is the same as his.
When theists push their religion in our faces against our will, they are trolls
and deserve what they get.
At which point they usually accuse us of unprovoked hatred for theists
in general.

And they get called as liars for that.
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theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
atheist - any person not a theist.
An atheist either lacks belief in the existence of a god or gods or
does not believe that a god or gods exist. That's the difference
between a weak or strong atheist.
Which is purely academic, because even the strong one is simply how
they respond to theists.

But every time any of this is explained, you need to point out that
the very word "God" doesn't even mean the same thing outside the
theist's religion (where atheists are) as inside it (where theists
are).

The late Cliff Walker wrote...

http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml9161.htm

[unfortunately that site is now down, but it is accessible via the
Internet archive]

Here is the Merriam Webster's definition for the word God:

the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped
as creator and ruler of the universe

Encarta World Dictionary (print edition) defines the same word as
follows:

the being believed in monotheistic religions such as Judaism,
Islam, and Christianity to be the all-powerful all-knowing creator
of the universe, worshiped as the only god

The Oxford American Dictionary defines it this way:

the creator and ruler of the universe in Christian, Jewish, and
Muslim teaching

Were I to use your [the person to whom he was responding]
understanding of the role that dictionaries play
in determining word meaning, and were I to rely solely upon the
Merriam Webster's, I'd be in big trouble, because this dictionary
expresses its definition as fact, rather than reporting it as the
opinion of some people. I'd have to believe that a "God" exists
because the dictionary does not qualify its definition as the
opinion of some but not all people.

The other dictionaries are more responsible than this, the second
reporting that this description is "believed" by certain groups, and
the third that this is according to the "teaching" of certain
groups. So, as a man who is proficient in the English language, I
would reject the first definition as patently biased, and would
accept the second and third as being accurate reports of how people
use this word.

[Me again...]

In other words, it is only seen as real inside those religions, and
outside them it is merely something they believe.

But most theists can't get their minds around this.

Merriam Webster's changes its tune when it comes to defining the
word astrology:

the divination of supposed influences of the stars and planets on
human affairs and terrestrial events by their positions

Ah! The "supposed" influences of the stars and planets, not the
actual influence of the stars and planets! So we see that MW is at
least capable of showing that something is an opinion and doesn't
accept every controversial claim as fact. This is clearly a
double-standard, typical of somebody with an agenda (such as
propagating the Christian faith)..

Encarta says this:

the study of the positions of the Moon, Sun, and other planets in
the belief that their motions affect human beings

And Oxford American says this:

the study of the supposed influence of stars on human affairs

So here we have complete agreement between the three reference works
that astrology is a belief or an allegation made by some people.None
of the three presuppose that astrology is based in fact. This makes
sense, seeing as how the astrology movement has never seen fit to
organize for the purpose of gaining widespread political control
over entire continents of nations, and thus has never become so
intoxicated with power that it would dare to think it could get away
with doing what Merriam Webster's has done with the word God.

[Me again...]

In other words the meaning of the word "God" is different inside and
outside Christianity. There's an extra layer that changes it - it's
like the difference between saying James Bond is a British secret
agent, and that he is a British secret agent in a series of novels and
movies. The former is universal and the latter restricts it to a
specific domain of discourse.

But try getting theists to understand this. Very few can.

I was recently told I was deranged on uk,railway after I and others
objected to theists telling us what our position "really" was after
they had been repeatedly corrected.

They don't seem to understand just how arrogantly nasty it is, to
dispute what ex explain our position is after they got it wrong
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A religious agnostic can believe that a god exists but doesn't know for certain.
Which makes all theists agnostics they don't actually know,but they
think they do.
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An atheistic agnostic can believe that no god or gods exist but not
know for certain.
To do that, they would have to be at least part way inside the
theist's religious paradigm.

Most atheists aren't.
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Due to lack of evidence, an atheist knows there is
no god of any kind.
Which is the falsifiable default when theists make their ridiculous
claims - and it is reinforced every time they cop out of backing them
up, resort to ad hominems, offer transparent fallacies, etc.

Every one of these is a data point against.

So far, it is gajillions against and none for.
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After nearly 10,000 years of lack of evidence, anyone with at
least half a brain should at least be suspicious.
The conclusion is obvious, but it usually gets dismissed with lies
that it is a claim.
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'.
Most atheists don't even give it a thought - but what they say depends
on how the theist brings it up.

But in any case, it's no different than "there ain't no Santa Claus",
"no UFO abductions", "no Loch Ness Monster", etc.

Again, try getting theists to understand this.
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And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away
corner of the universe.
So there's no reason even to give it a thought.
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If someone says 'no one knows', they are agnostic.
Which lumps everything between a 0.0001 certainty and a 99.9999%
certainty, into a single mid point as if they were all the same.
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I for one would say no god can exist in this universe...not no one
knows. This latter gives a possibility for its existence.
Most atheists don't even see what is merely somebody else's religious
belief, as something which could or could not exist. It never reaches
that level.

Of course, if a theist makes claims that reduce it to zero, then it
cannot exist. Eg a god which cause a global flood higher than the
tallest mountains, is a zero, regardless of its other claimed
attributes.
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My reason: There would not be a being so powerful that can create
even our moon, let alone millions of huge planets. THERE IS NO
SUCH POSSIBILITY, if one uses his brain to think!
Why even give it a thought?

That grants it too much credibility.
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Why not? Who knows how advanced scientifically some cultures are? But, being
able to move moons and planets still wouldn't make them gods.
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And the joke is, the god for the theists will answer their prayers.....then we won't see all the human suffering, would we?
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say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
   theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
   atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. 
And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
They would be an agnostic.... Which is someone that can neither prove
nor disprove that a Gog exists and so they just live life until proof
one way or the other can be shown.

The Atheist believe with no proof that God does NOT exist. I also
notice that a lot of Atheists believe that gays are real without any
proof of that (Odd they need proof God is real but NOT gays?). They
don't seem to need fact to prove that gays are NOT just heterosexuals
that are mentally ill they accept that on faith.
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2017-10-13 03:40:08 UTC
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
   theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
   atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'.
And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
They would be an agnostic.... Which is someone that can neither prove
nor disprove that a Gog exists and so they just live life until proof
one way or the other can be shown.
And those people are either theists or atheists.

Please don't mix "knowlegde" with "faith".
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The Atheist believe with no proof that God does NOT exist.
Maybe one day you'll stop lying about that.

Let me rephrase that for you, to illustrate you dishonesty :

"BeamMeUpScotty believe with no proof that Zeus does NOT exist."

Understand?
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I also notice that a lot of Atheists believe that gays are real without any
proof of that (Odd they need proof God is real but NOT gays?).
Gays : people who fuck with people of their own sex.

END. OF. STORY.
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They don't seem to need fact to prove that gays are NOT just heterosexuals
that are mentally ill they accept that on faith.
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2017-10-14 21:10:16 UTC
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'.
And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
They would be an agnostic.... Which is someone that can neither prove
nor disprove that a God exists
No one can prove or disprove a non-existent entity.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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2017-10-15 17:12:45 UTC
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
  theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
  atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'.
And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
They would be an agnostic....   Which is someone that can neither prove
nor disprove that a God exists
No one can prove or disprove a non-existent entity.
That's why Atheism is a belief...

Agnostics are willing to wait for one side or the other to prove their
belief. Atheists believe God can NOT exist and that is a positive belief
NOT a negative. Neither side of the coin is more plausible. Each side
would have to prove the other to NOT be true by proving their belief is
true.
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2017-10-15 19:46:35 UTC
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That's why Atheism is a belief...
Crap. There's no such thing as athe"ism": there is no belief system
and there is no doctrine, just a common opinion.

Again, I define the terms for you:
Theist: one who accepts the god hypothesis;
Atheist: one who rejects the god hgypothesis;
Agnostic: one who does neither.

All else is waffle.
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2017-10-16 17:47:09 UTC
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That's why Atheism is a belief...
Crap. There's no such thing as athe"ism": there is no belief system
and there is no doctrine, just a common opinion.
Tell us about Taoism.... is that a religion that believes in a God?

Is it an Atheist religion that believes that God can't exist?

Is it a common belief that no god exists as with other religions and
other atheists.

Just as Theism has religions so does Atheism.

NOT all Theists believe in the same God or belong to a specific
religion, why would all Atheists belong to the same religion or to any
specific religion or god?
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Theist: one who accepts the god hypothesis;
Atheist: one who rejects the god hgypothesis;
Agnostic: one who does neither.
All else is waffle.
And if one is a religion then why NOT the other?

Accepting and rejecting is still all about God.

It's all belief.

The only one that is NOT a religion is the one that does neither,
Agnosticism. It has no opinion of God or of the relevance.

If there is or is NOT a god I would still live the same life. Why would
I do anything less?
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2017-10-17 02:00:50 UTC
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That's why Atheism is a belief...
Crap. There's no such thing as athe"ism": there is no belief system and
there is no doctrine, just a common opinion.
Tell us about Taoism.... is that a religion that believes in a God?
Is it an Atheist religion that believes that God can't exist?
Is it a common belief that no god exists as with other religions and
other atheists.
Just as Theism has religions so does Atheism.
NOT all Theists believe in the same God or belong to a specific
religion, why would all Atheists belong to the same religion or to any
specific religion or god?
Theist: one who accepts the god hypothesis;
Atheist: one who rejects the god hgypothesis;
Agnostic: one who does neither.
All else is waffle.
And if one is a religion then why NOT the other?
Accepting and rejecting is still all about God.
It's all belief.
The only one that is NOT a religion is the one that does neither,
Agnosticism. It has no opinion of God or of the relevance.
If there is or is NOT a god I would still live the same life. Why would
I do anything less?
So your disbelief in leprechauns is a religion?
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2017-10-15 20:09:46 UTC
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists",
all atheists say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
  theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
  atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'.
And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner
of the universe.
They would be an agnostic....   Which is someone that can neither
prove nor disprove that a God exists
No one can prove or disprove a non-existent entity.
That's why Atheism is a belief...
Agnostics are willing to wait for one side or the other to prove their
belief. Atheists believe God can NOT exist and that is a positive belief
NOT a negative. Neither side of the coin is more plausible. Each side
would have to prove the other to NOT be true by proving their belief is
true.
What do I need to prove to not believe theists when they tell me there is
a god?
What do you need to prove to not believe in leprechauns?
Is your not believing in leprechauns a belief?
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2017-10-16 03:26:23 UTC
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists",
all atheists say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
  theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
  atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'.
And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner
of the universe.
They would be an agnostic....   Which is someone that can neither
prove nor disprove that a God exists
No one can prove or disprove a non-existent entity.
That's why Atheism is a belief...
Agnostics are willing to wait for one side or the other to prove their
belief. Atheists believe God can NOT exist and that is a positive belief
NOT a negative. Neither side of the coin is more plausible. Each side
would have to prove the other to NOT be true by proving their belief is
true.
What do I need to prove to not believe theists when they tell me there is
a god?
What do you need to prove to not believe in leprechauns?
Is your not believing in leprechauns a belief?
They never answer that.

There are two kinds of mental deviants who push the idea that atheists
are actually believers :

1- some agnostics, who think they have the superior argument : "Hey!
Don't know!"

2- theists who want to justify their insane beliefs by saying that
unbelievers are actual believers, so that it's OK for them to believe in
their own crapola.

Those two defective approaches are manifestations of intellectual
dishonesty.
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2017-10-16 17:30:46 UTC
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god
exists", all atheists say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god
exists'".
  theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
  atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one
knows'. And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far
away corner of the universe.
They would be an agnostic....   Which is someone that can neither
prove nor disprove that a God exists
No one can prove or disprove a non-existent entity.
That's why Atheism is a belief...
Agnostics are willing to wait for one side or the other to prove their
belief. Atheists believe God can NOT exist and that is a positive
belief NOT a negative. Neither side of the coin is more plausible.
Each side would have to prove the other to NOT be true by proving
their belief is true.
What do I need to prove to not believe theists when they tell me there
is a god?
What do you need to prove to not believe in leprechauns?
Is your not believing in leprechauns a belief?
They never answer that.
They have no answer.
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There are two kinds of mental deviants who push the idea that atheists
1- some agnostics, who think they have the superior argument : "Hey!
Don't know!"
I've not come across any of those, but don't deny that they exist.
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2- theists who want to justify their insane beliefs by saying that
unbelievers are actual believers, so that it's OK for them to believe in
their own crapola.
Those two defective approaches are manifestations of intellectual
dishonesty.
Or a total lack of any intellect.
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2017-10-15 22:12:22 UTC
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
  theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
  atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'.
And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
They would be an agnostic....   Which is someone that can neither prove
nor disprove that a God exists
No one can prove or disprove a non-existent entity.
That's why Atheism is a belief...
Agnostics are willing to wait for one side or the other to prove their
belief. Atheists believe God can NOT exist and that is a positive belief
NOT a negative.
No, all that is required to be an atheist is to not believe.
No categorical rejection of the the idea of ghod or ghodz is
required.

In my case that would be "nobody has proved their are any
intelligent beings but human beings, as of yet."

I consider it possible there is, was or someday might be intelligent
life elsewhere in the universe. That will require evidence we don't
yet have, or may never get.
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Neither side of the coin is more plausible.
The "universe without supernatural entities" side of the coin
is enormously more plausible. We are walking around in one,
as far as we know. The evidence for the model with the supernatural
is pathetically weak.
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Each side would have to prove the other to NOT be true by
proving their belief is true.
The naturalistic explanation doesn't require more evidence than we
already have. The supernatural one require much more. Then,
WHICH supernatural explanation, of the many.
Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
That's Karma
Actually, karma is woo-woo based on actions and deeds, not belief.
Going to make the case for Hinduism? Buddhism, or some other Eastern
hooey? Back it with evidence, otherwise it is just superstition.

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2017-10-12 17:25:58 UTC
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
atheist - any person not a theist.
No, an agnostic says he doesn't find the evidence convincing.
An atheist professes there is no God. There are no atheists.
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
atheist - any person not a theist.
No, an agnostic says he doesn't find the evidence convincing.
An atheist professes there is no God. There are no atheists.
I profess that there are no gods, including yours. I am an atheist
Agnostics say they don't know whether or not a god or gods exist.
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
Untrue. This is another of MattB's arguments.
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
atheist - any person not a theist.
No, an agnostic says he doesn't find the evidence convincing.
An atheist professes there is no God. There are no atheists.
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Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
the dukester, American-American
Another religious stubborn mind telling me I can not be
an Atheist.
Atheism is not a Religion or a matter of belief, not even
a matter of choice. Religious people often think atheism
mirrors belief: you can have strong faith , you could even
have a crisis of faith or a more or less strict adherence to
scripture, tradition or dogma in religion, so to you it is just
like that in atheism. But the sheer absence of a belief in
any god does not constitute a new inverted church,
it is just that, plain and simple.
My favorite example is the old belief combustion needs a
discreet substance, phlogiston, to happen. It explained
some properties of fire but not all, but people bought it
because it was the usual or only explanation for the
phenomenon. Today we have better explanations,
and even without studying Chemistry we know
Phlogiston is an outdated concept with no explanatory
power. It is an obsolete concept of only historical interest.
My position towards gods is exactly like my position
towards Phlogiston.
If there where a lot of people still explaining fire with
phlogiston, I would call myself Aphlogistonian or Oxygenian.
There are not and I dont. But in the case of that god concept
you are peddling I must take a stand and say " I can and will
do without it, it is obsolete and explains nothing. " The common
word for this and other ways of not giving a fuck about any
god is atheism.

Ed, third generation atheist.

Someone said in complete darkness the blind may make
the best leaders, but now there is some light and we
better belief our eyes.
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2017-10-13 09:20:00 UTC
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No, an agnostic says he doesn't find the evidence convincing.
An atheist professes there is no God. There are no atheists.
god has revealed to her that there is no god...
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2017-10-12 19:48:25 UTC
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
You aren't really an atheist, are you? You sound more like an agnostic.
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What all atheists have in common: when a theist says "a god exists", all atheists
say "I don't believe you when you say 'a god exists'".
theist - any person who thinks 'a god exists'.
atheist - any person not a theist.
Most atheists do not say 'no god exists' but usually 'no one knows'. And maybe
some as yet unheard from god exists in some far away corner of the universe.
And they don't say either of these except as a response to theists..
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You aren't really an atheist, are you? You sound more like an agnostic.
We've been correcting him about this ever since he first crashed the
group - but he takes no notice and keeps repeating it.
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