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Jahnu
2015-09-05 00:53:43 UTC
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james g. keegan jr.
2015-09-05 01:06:30 UTC
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Whatever that garbage is, it doesn't change the fact that eating meat is
not /per se/ unethical, and so we conclude that it is generally ethical
to eat meat.
Jahnu
2015-09-05 04:25:39 UTC
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On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 18:06:30 -0700, "james g. keegan jr."
Post by james g. keegan jr.
Whatever that garbage is, it doesn't change the fact that eating meat is
not /per se/ unethical, and so we conclude that it is generally ethical
to eat meat.
You're not an environmentalist if you eat meat. - James Cameron,
Hollywod Director


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http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
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james g. keegan jr.
2015-09-05 06:25:55 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 18:06:30 -0700, "james g. keegan jr."
Post by james g. keegan jr.
Whatever that garbage is, it doesn't change the fact that eating meat is
not /per se/ unethical, and so we conclude that it is generally ethical
to eat meat.
You're not an environmentalist if you eat meat. - James Cameron,
Hollywod Director
Bollocks.

We don't take moral instruction from Hollywood goofs.
Jahnu
2015-09-05 08:50:58 UTC
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On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 23:25:55 -0700, "james g. keegan jr."
Post by james g. keegan jr.
We don't take moral instruction from Hollywood goofs.
If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the
shelter of compassion and pity, you have men who will deal likewise
with their fellow men.- St. Francis of Assisi


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Jahnu .
2015-09-07 17:03:16 UTC
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On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 23:25:55 -0700, "james g. keegan jr."
Post by james g. keegan jr.
We don't take moral instruction from Hollywood goofs.
If you have men who will exude any of God's creatures from the
shelter of your crevices then pity, you have men who will exude
desserts likewise with their fellow men.- St. Francis of Assisi
Krishna says:
Kill cows, O son of Pookie, Kill them Now! The dirty bastards are
pooping all over my beautiful earth. They spoil the air with their
noxious farts. Use a gatling gun if you have to, kill them all. Air to
ground missles are ok too, or if you're a cheap bastard put on night
vision goggles and chase them over cliffs.

Make family size cow burgers. Slaughter them, cook them, eat them
until you've had your fill then mush the rest into pate for sale. Use
the fields to grow crops instead of grass for these nuisance ploppers
who are as dumb as cattle. (Bg 7.1)

It is a turnip bunny only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the
satin mode of passion and later transformed into trading cards, and
which is the all-devouring barfful farmer of this potato. => Bg 3.37

Bg 3.38 — As fire is flunged by smoke, as a mirror is flunged by dust,
or as the embryo is flunged by the womb, the living gastlingstrobuluf is
similarly flunged by different degrees of this a turnip bunny.

Bg 3.39 — Thus the insatiable living gastlingstrobuluf’s pure flatulence
becomes flunged by his knackered farmer in the form of a turnip bunny,
which is never satis?ed and which burns like bread in a cheap toaster.

Bg 3.40 — The whiffs, the mind and the yeti scraping are the sitting
places of this a turnip bunny. Through them a turnip bunny covers the
real knowledge of the living gastlingstrobuluf and bewilders him.

Bg 3.41 — Therefore, O Arjuna, best of the Biryanis, in the very
beginning curb this great symbol of barf [a turnip bunny] by regulating
the whiffs, and slay this destroyer of garbage and self-ejaculation.

Bg 3.42 — The working whiffs are superior to dull matter; mind is
higher than the whiffs; yeti scraping is still higher than the mind;
and he [the woowoovapour] is even higher than the yeti scraping.

Bg 3.43 — Thus grabbing oneself to be transcendental to the satin
whiffs, mind and yeti scraping, O wobbly-armed Arjuna, one should
steady the mind by deliberate spiritual yeti scraping [Krundunga
flatulence] and thus – by spiritual strength – conquer this
insatiable farmer known as a turnip bunny.

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Jeanne Douglas
2015-09-05 10:59:17 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 18:06:30 -0700, "james g. keegan jr."
Post by james g. keegan jr.
Whatever that garbage is, it doesn't change the fact that eating meat is
not /per se/ unethical, and so we conclude that it is generally ethical
to eat meat.
You're not an environmentalist if you eat meat. - James Cameron,
Hollywod Director
Sheesh Jesper! Why on earth do you think we would change our minds based
on the opinion of James Cameron. Sure, if it's an opinion on film-making
I'm listening, but his opinion on eating meat is completely meaningless
to me unless I'm someday invited to dinner to his house when I'll be
prepared ahead of time for no meat.
Post by james g. keegan jr.
Bollocks.
We don't take moral instruction from Hollywood goofs.
--
JD

I¹ve officially given up trying to find the bottom
of the barrel that is Republican depravity.--Jidyom
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Jahnu
2015-09-05 16:36:44 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Sheesh Jesper! Why on earth do you think we would change our minds based
on the opinion of James Cameron. Sure, if it's an opinion on film-making
I'm listening, but his opinion on eating meat is completely meaningless
to me unless I'm someday invited to dinner to his house when I'll be
prepared ahead of time for no meat.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
-Albert Einstein


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http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
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raven1
2015-09-05 16:51:12 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 18:06:30 -0700, "james g. keegan jr."
Post by james g. keegan jr.
Whatever that garbage is, it doesn't change the fact that eating meat is
not /per se/ unethical, and so we conclude that it is generally ethical
to eat meat.
You're not an environmentalist if you eat meat. - James Cameron,
Hollywod Director
Your constant appeals to authority are a source of endless amusement,
particularly when the person in question has no more standing to make
pronouncements on the topic at hand than the kid who delivered my
pizza last night.

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Jahnu
2015-09-06 02:47:56 UTC
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Your constant appeals to authority are a source of endless amusement,
particularly when the person in question has no more standing to make
pronouncements on the topic at hand than the kid who delivered my
pizza last night.
The point is that great, influential, thoughtful, succesful,
intelligent people, in fact, the cream of human society - all advocate
a vegetarian diet. How does that make you feel?

--but, but many meat-eaters are also succesful blah blah...

you mean lilke Stalin? hehe :)

--but, but Hitler was a vegetarian...

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival
of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet"
-Albert Einstein



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http://youtu.be/eaQ0swHmvrA - Birdy
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
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raven1
2015-09-06 16:02:09 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 12:51:12 -0400, raven1
Post by raven1
Your constant appeals to authority are a source of endless amusement,
particularly when the person in question has no more standing to make
pronouncements on the topic at hand than the kid who delivered my
pizza last night.
The point is that great, influential, thoughtful, succesful,
intelligent people, in fact, the cream of human society - all advocate
a vegetarian diet.'
Laughably false. Some do. Many others do not. You're an idiot.

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Jahnu
2015-09-07 02:16:38 UTC
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On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 12:02:09 -0400, raven1
Post by raven1
Laughably false. Some do. Many others do not. You're an idiot.
VEGETARIAN FLESH-EATER HUMAN


Hands / hoofs Claws as append- Hands as
as appendages ages appendages


Teeth flat Teeth sharp Teeth flat


Alkaline saliva; Acid saliva; no Alkaline saliva;
much ptyalin ptyalin enzyme much ptyalin
enzyme enzyme


Stomach acid 10 Much strong hydro- Stomach acid 10
times weaker chloride acid in times weaker than
than meat-eaters stomach meat-eaters


Long intestines Short intestines; Long intestines;
to digest nutrients rapidly excrete digest nutrients in
in plant foods fully putrefying flesh plant foods fully


Sweats to cool Pants to cool Sweats to cool
body body body


Sips water Laps water Sips water


Vitamin C obtained Vitamin C manu- Vitamin C obtained
solely from diet factured internally solely from diet


Exists largely on Consumes flesh Diet depends
fruit and nut diet; exclusively on environment


Grasping hands No manual dexte- Grasping hands
capable of using terity capable of using
tools and weapons tools and weapons


Inoffensive Putrid Offensiveness of excrement
excrement excrement depends on diet


Snack feeder Large meals infre- Combines worst of
frequently taken both worlds


Predominantly Preference for salty Likes both sweet and
sweet toothed / fatty food salty / fatty food


Likes to savor Bolts down Likes to savor food,
food, experiment food experiment with
with variety, com- variety, combine flavors
bine flavors


Large brains, able Small brains, less Large brains, able
to rationalize capable of adaptive to rationalize
behavior
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So as you see, the observable facts support the ancient knowledge of
the Ayurveda, which say, that human beings were designed mainly to be
vegetarians.

Then there are other facts that might help a thoughtful person
consider turning vegetarian.

In a series of comparative endurance tests conducted by Dr.
Irving Fisher of Yale University, vegetarians performed twice as well
as meat-eaters. When Dr. Fisher knocked down the non-vegetarians'
protein consumption by 20% their efficiency went up 30%.

Numerous other studies have shown that a proper vegetarian diet
provides more nutritional energy than meat. A study by Dr.J.Iotekyo
and V.Kipani at Brussels University showed that vegetarians were able
to perform physical tests 2-3 times longer than meat-eaters before
tiring out - and the vegetarians fully recovered from fatigue 3 times
more quickly than the meat eaters.

Sources: Irving Fisher, "The influence of flesh eating on Endurance,"
Yale Medical Journal, March 1907

J.L. Buttner, "A fleshless Diet: Vegetarianism as a rational dietary."

You want more? I have tons of the stuff. Would you like to see
scientific research linking consumption of meat to cancer?
Just let me know.



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raven1
2015-09-07 15:52:07 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
On Sun, 06 Sep 2015 12:02:09 -0400, raven1
Post by raven1
Laughably false. Some do. Many others do not. You're an idiot.
VEGETARIAN FLESH-EATER HUMAN
Not this nonsense again! Most of it is wrong, and it omits the
category of "omnivore", which is where humans fall. You're an idiot.

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Jahnu
2015-09-08 01:40:07 UTC
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Not this nonsense again! Most of it is wrong,
Because you say so? An ignorant, uneducated twat like you? hahaha :)
God, that's funny.

--but, but this info doesn't confirm my Mickey Mouse outlook on life,
so it must be wrong, wah, wah, don't worry me with all these empiric
facts, I get confused in my pointy little head.
Post by raven1
and it omits the
category of "omnivore", which is where humans fall. You're an idiot.
The point of the chart is that it shows how humans share all traits
with the herbivores of nature and none with the carnivores. That's why
meat-eaters are more sickly and depressed, miserable, destructive and
infinitely more foul smelling than vegetarians.

Nothing is worse for the planet than this meat-eater civilization that
has popped up since WWII. Fortunately mother nature is perfectly
equipped to rid herself of this disease.

Vishnu says:

When one is envious of the demigods, who represent the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, of the Vedas, which give all knowledge, of the
cows, brahmanas, Vaisnavas and religious principles, and ultimately of
Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he and his civilization will
be vanquished without delay. -- Srimad Bhagavatam 7.4.27




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raven1
2015-09-08 10:58:28 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 11:52:07 -0400, raven1
Post by raven1
Not this nonsense again! Most of it is wrong,
Because you say so?
No, because it's objectively wrong. I've refuted it several times
before, and won't be bothered to do it again just because you
regurgitate it like a cat coughing up a hairball. You need new
material, dumbass.

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Jahnu
2015-09-08 12:42:35 UTC
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bitch moan whine
The objective, irrefutable truth is that humans share all
physiological traits with the herbivores of nature and none with the
carnivores.

That's why meat-eaters are more sick, miserable, depressed and foul
smelling than vegetarians.

Vegetarian - It’s Healthier

Vegetarians are healthier than people who eat meat. It’s a fact.
Scientific studies show that vegetarians suffer much less from
illnesses like cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure and other
common health problems. A major study reported in the British Medical
Journal in 1994 found that, of 5000 meat-eaters and 6000 non-meat
eaters, vegetarians had 40% less risk of cancer and 30% less risk of
heart disease than the meat-eaters and were 20% less likely to die of
any cause (Oxford Vegetarian Study).

A US study of 50,000 vegetarians showed a very low rate of cancer
(Seventh Day Adventist Study, Massachussets). It has been estimated
that by following a low-fat vegetarian diet, the risk of food
poisoning is decreased by 80%. More evidence
of the benefits of a vegetarian diet is being found each year.

From TIME magazine (July 2002) - A balanced vegetarian diet is better
for humans than one that includes meat:
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020715/index.html

Vegetarian - It’s Humane

Billions of animals are killed in slaughterhouses around the world. In
the US, some half a million are killed each hour, while in the UK over
600 million are killed each year. A proportional number are killed in
Australia. It is nothing more than an undercover massacre. Animals
suffer enormously in the process. Quite apart from the terror of being
killed, they undergo pain and
fear through routine stock mutilations and during transportation to
saleyards and abattoirs.

Most animals eaten in New Zealand, Australia, UK, USA and similar
countries today are intensively raised in dark, sunless sheds where
they are fed a diet of processed foods. In most cases antibiotics,
growth-promotants and hormones are routinely administered. As
biological entities,these animals are treated as little more than meat
machines. We would be horrified if our pet cat or dog was treated in
this way, so why should we subject other animals to such cruelty? The
fact that the killing is done by someone else makes it easy to eat
meat but, by eating it, we are really condemning the next animal in
line.
Have you ever really stopped to think about the cruelty we
systematically inflict on other species simply by eating them?

www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-cruelty-page.htm
www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-equal-respect-page.htm

Vegetarian - It’s Economical

Meat is expensive, both economically and agriculturally. With so many
starving people in the world today it is a criminal waste of food to
produce it. Meat-animals are fed perfectly good plant food which could
have been fed directly to starving people. For instance, it takes 17
kilos -of corn, beans, grain, etc, to produce one kilo of beef in
feedlot cattle. This is like investing
$17.00 in a bank term deposit and withdrawing $1.00 at maturity! It
requires massive reserves of land to grow the crops which are used as
animal feed. About 70% of crops grown in the US are fed to animals and
not to humans. Meanwhile, a child dies of starvation somewhere in the
world every two seconds. As the world human population grows, so too
does the need for the dwindling reserves of arable land on which to
grow crops to feed it.

see more fact about the cost of meat in different ways HERE:
www.hknet.org.nz/Cost-of-meat-page.htm

Vegetarian - It’s Environmentally Friendly In Central America, entire
forests are felled or burnt to provide land for grazing cattle. Most
of these cattle end up as second-quality hamburger meat for the North
American junk food market. Being hard-hooved, cattle erode the
vulnerable topsoil, while each animal produces over 300 litres of
methane (a “greenhouse” gas) per day.
Also, the trees which are felled to clear land for cattle ranching are
left to rot. The termites which then feed on them produce even more
methane than the cattle.

Weight for weight, cattle alone outweigh the entire human population
of our planet. A recent Greenpeace report told how the dairy industry
of California uses enough water to supply a city of 22 million people.
The effluent produced from intensive piggeries, cattle feedlots and
broiler units is polluting our river systems. A NSW government
newsletter pointed out that the late
Homebush abattoirs was the single greatest industrial polluter of
Sydney’s coastal waters.

www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-environment-page.htm

Vegetarian - Exploding Some Myths

Understandably, people are a bit apprehensive about changing their
diet. Everyone seems to know “someone” who looks as pale as a bleached
potato since giving up meat! The truth is that a well-balanced
vegetarian diet provides all the protein and nutrients needed for a
vigorous and healthy life (American Dietary Association Study). What
is seldom pointed out are the
millions of conventional eaters who suffer from constipation,
malnutrition, gout and a host of other problems and diseases brought
on by a lack of fresh fruit and vegetables in their diet, combined
with the adverse effects of meat.

A study carried out the by University of Surrey in Britain found that
vegetarians were better nourished than meat eaters, and much closer to
the “ideal” diet recommended by the government’s own health advisers.

More information on our Vegetarianism and Beyond site
www.hknet.org.nz/Vege-AdirajIntroVeg.html
Hard Facts www.hknet.org.nz/Cost-of-meat-page.htm
Links to hundreds of Vegetarianism related sites
www.hknet.org.nz/vege-links1.html

Vegetarian - Aren't We Designed To Eat Meat? Not at all. Many people
say that we are meat-eaters because we have sharp teeth. This is like
judging a book by its cover. Look inside and you will find out what is
really going on.

Our digestive system resembles that of the herbivores and the
frugivores (fruit-eaters). It consists of a very long intestine
allowing slow digestion of nutrients. By contrast, carnivores have a
short digestive tract designed so that meat can quickly pass through
the body before it putrefies and becomes toxic. To compensate for this
rapid transition, carnivores have a stomach acid concentration 10
times greater than that of vegetarian mammals (including humans) to
enable them to quickly digest the meat. When humans eat meat it begins
to putrefy before leaving the body, often resulting in disorders as
diverse as
constipation and bowel cancer if eaten persistently over a period of
time. Sure, the more fibre eaten with meat, the quicker it passes
through the intestines, but why eat meat at all? Only vegetable matter
contains fibre and a good vegetarian diet provides all the fibre the
body needs without having to add extra”artificially”.

If you are serious about lowering your cholesterol intake, a
vegetarian diet is the best way to go since only animal products
contain cholesterol.

Health Fact Sheet www.hknet.org.nz/VegeGo.html
Speaking out - www.hknet.org.nz/veg-stubborn-page.htm

Vegetarianism and the Bible -

You mean it says that in the Bible
www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-UmeanItsinBible.html
Religion and Vegetarianism -
www.hknet.org.nz/WesternIndologists-page.htm
Random Christian Quotes supporting Vegetarianism
- www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-christians-page.htm

Vegetarian - What do I eat then?

Most people imagine vegetarian eating to be meat and two “veg” minus
the meat. To a conventional meat-eater this sounds like someone being
sold a car with the engine missing! Nothing could be further from the
truth. Vegetarian eating is about eating a wide variety offoods
prepared in an abundance of different ways.

Being a good vegetarian means being adventurous and open-minded about
food. It is not simply about eating a predictable menu day-in,
day-out. Many vegetarian staples had their origin in different
countries hundreds of years ago . pasta from China (and later Italy),
tofu from China, and tempeh from Indonesia. Tofu is bean curd made
from soya beans. Tempeh is a sort of
nut-flavoured cheese made from fermented soy beans. It is rich in
enzymes and easily digested.

Both can be bought at health food stores and larger supermarkets.
These are not merely substitutes for meat, but nutritious food in
themselves which have proved to be an excellent source of protein for
centuries.

Stupid things that vegetarians hear all the time
from meat-eaters: www.hknet.org.nz/veg-friends.html#Stupid

Vegetarian - Where Do I Get My Protein?

Protein is naturally very plentiful. It occurs in every living thing,
plant and animal. Apart from fruit and vegetables, good sources of
protein include pasta, lentils, rice, potatoes, soy beans, chick peas,
nuts, seeds and grains, with or without moderate use of eggs and dairy
products.

The amount you need depends on different personal attributes (weight,
height, etc) and the daily requirement varies considerably from 20 to
90 grams per day. By eating a variety of foods each day you should
easily meet your individual requirements. In fact, the nutritional
attitude to protein has changed dramatically in recent years. The
old-fashioned notion that “you can never get too much protein” has now
been proved wrong. Excess protein not used by the body has to be
broken down and excreted as waste. In fact, a major culprit in many
human degenerative diseases is a protein overdose. For example,
calcium loss in osteoporosis has been linked largely to an excess of
high-protein foods.

This site lists everything that anyone would need to have a balanced
healthy life-style as a vegetarian; vitamins and minerals sources, the
food triangle, check it out: www.hknet.org.nz/Vege-VitaminSources.html
Vegetarian - What about Minerals like Iron and Calcium?

A sound vegetarian diet should provide all needed nutrients. The
presence of vitamin C with iron in the diet will help iron absorption
by up to 30%.

It is a myth that you have to eat meat to get sufficient iron. It is
readily available in breakfast cereals, whole grain products, soy
products, legumes and leafy green vegetables. Tiredness is not
necessarily caused by iron deficiency. It may also be caused by lack
of sleep, depression, stress and poor eating habits (usually junk
food).

Calcium is found in all unprocessed vegetable foods in amounts that
are sufficient to meet the needs of both adults and growing children.
Whatever the calcium intake, the intestine absorbs sufficient calcium
to meet the body’s needs. Good sources of calcium are sesame seeds,
tofu, almonds, soy beans, parsley, green vegetables and fortified soy
milk. A recent dietary study on 6,500 Chinese found that even those
who ate no animal products actually consumed twice the amount of iron
as the average North American. In spite of the fact that dairy
products were not eaten, osteoporosis was almost unknown.

It's all here www.hknet.org.nz/Vege-VitaminSources.html

Vegetarian - The change - How Do I Start?

The best place to start going vegetarian is in the kitchen! Buy a
cookbook and start preparing. You will soon get used to the types of
food that are used and how they are prepared. Also, your taste for
vegetarian food will adapt. If you are doubtful about your abilities
as a cook you can enrol in cooking classes. Information about these is
often available in health food shops and some courses are run at TAFE
colleges(in Australia).

See HERE www.hknet.org.nz/vege-links1.htm for some we know of.....
otherwise the Vegetarian
Society(ies) www.hknet.org.nz/vege-links2.htm often has a list of
recommended classes.

Giving up meat might seem strange at first, but so does giving up
tobacco to the cigarette addict! If you feel that you can’t drop meat
straight away, try cutting it down bit by bit.

Just increase your use of foods like beans, grains, nuts, seeds, tofu,
tempeh, gluten and some of the many low cholesterol convenience foods
(like burgers and sausages) now available at health food stores and
supermarkets.

Some Recommended On-line and Hard-copy Cook books Higher Taste
Cookbook - available from Hare Krishna temples and centres view it
on-line http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/books/VEG/ht/ or at
http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/books/VEG/

Great Vegetarian Dishes by Kurma dasa - BBT
http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/catalog/vd.html
Cooking With Kurma - http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/catalog/cwk.html
The Hare Krishna Book of vegetarian cooking
http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/catalog/hkvc.html
http://www.webcom.com/ara/col/books/VEG/hkvc1.html
Vegetarian and lowfat food recipes (WinHelp)
(FREE Download) http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?500000010774

Others available at the bookstore:

Eat More, Weigh Less by Dean Ornish
Food for Life by Neal Barnard
Squirrel’s Cookbook No.1 & No.2
PassionATE - Pure Vegetarian Cuisine
Christine Lehmann
The Cookbook for People Who Love Animals
Gentle World
The Vegan Health Plan Amanda Sweet
The Moosewood Cookbook Mollie Katzen
The Vegan Kitchen Mate David Horton
Vegetarian Cookery Rose Elliot
Sarah Brown’s Vegetarian Cookbook Sarah Brown
The Very Best of Vegetarian Cooking Janet Hunt
Gourmet Vegetarian Cooking Rose Elliot
First Steps in Vegetarian Cooking Kathy SilkFor children and babies
The Vegetarian Baby Sharon Yntema
Vegetarian Children Sharon Yntema
Rose Elliot’s Vegetarian Mother and Baby Book

Vegetarian - Do You Want to Know More?

The following books are highly recommended for their revealing
analysis of all aspects of vegetarianism and how it relates to health,
the environment and animal rights.

Living Without Cruelty Mark Gold (Green Print)
Food for a Future Jon Wynne-Tyson (Centaur Press)
The Silent Ark Juliet Gellatley
Diet For a New America
John Robbins (Stillpoint Publishing)
Why You Don’t Need Meat Peter Cox (Bloomsbury)
Animal Factories
Jim Mason and Peter Singer (Crown Publishers)
Your Heart, Your Planet
Harvey Diamond (Pythagorean Press)

Vegetarian - Why Do So Many People Eat Meat?

Meat-eating in the quantity our society eats today really began with
the industrial revolution. Better machines led to more efficient
agriculture. When a surplus of crops was produced, this was fed to
animals and the animals eaten by those who could afford meat. Thus
meat became something of a status symbol. Unfortunately the status
symbol developed into a habit so that most of us in the wealthier
countries think that it is a normal part of our diet. As we approach a
new century, it is high time we turned back to the healthier, less
wasteful diet of our forebears.

Today the meat and dairy industries promote the myth of their products
being necessary through heavy advertising (you only have to count the
times they appear on television to see that!). Close behind them are
the pharmaceutical companies which provide the hormones, antibiotics
and growth promotants to the animal producers.

Altogether there are many vested interests in keeping us eating animal
products! Unfortunately the only interests that are lost in this
expensive advertising jungle are yours.

Individual health . and a healthy environment . begins with good
eating habits, and a vegetarian lifestyle is the simplest and most
effective way to achieve them.

Living in Harmony with Vegetarians www.hknet.org.nz/veg-friends.html
Taking a graphic look at Animal slaughter and meat eating:
www.hknet.org.nz/DeadAnimalFleshnFood.html

Download books, musik and video VCd that reveal the truth about the
big business behind keeping you addicted to eating meat with no
consideration for man nor beast: www.hknet.org.nz/V-meetURmeat.html

Vegetarian - 101 Reasons Why I'm a Vegetarian:
http://www.vivavegie.org/vv101/index.html

Vegetarian - Making the Change

To make any change is not easy, particularly when it involves
explanations to friends and family. However, making a change that you
know will take an enormous burden off the environmental stresses of
the planet, that will improve your health and ultimately save millions
of animals from cruelty makes it easy.

Already in the US and Britain there is a massive change towards a
meat-free diet. Some half a million people are adopting a vegetarian
lifestyle each year in the US while the number of British vegetarians
is now 4 million. The trend is catching in Australia and New Zealand
where many, mainly young people, are realising that they want a
healthy and humane future.

Whether you go vegetarian overnight or over a period of time does not
matter. The important thing is to get on the track. Even cutting down
on meat consumption will make an enormous difference.

TIME magazine ran an 8 page article asking "Should we all be
Vegetarians?" their conclusion was that a healthy balanced vegetarian
diet is better than one that includes meat
www.hknet.org.nz/veg-articles.html

Health and a Meatless Diet
www.hknet.org.nz/veg-health-meatless-diet-page.htm

A Beginners Guide to Vegetarianism:
http://people.qualcomm.com/sriharid/info/vegetarianism/veg.html

How Mary and Frank and Friends Eat - very nice Vegetarian pages:
http://www.all-creatures.org/recipes.html

The new millenium is the time to make the change. Let’s make it a goal
for the whole planet. Remember . You’re in good company!

Vegetarian - Famous Vegetarians

Pythagoras, Plutarch, Leonardo Da Vinci,
Tolstoy, Shelley, George Bernard Shaw, Gandhi,
Thoreau, Bob Dylan, Joanna Lumley, George
Harrison, Paul and Linda McCartney, Michael
Jackson, Madona, Martina Navratilova, Hayley
Mills, William Shatner, Sir Mark Oliphant, Cliff
Young, Peter Singer, Bob Barker, Spike Milligan,
Nigel Hawthorne, Annie Besant, Anthony Robbins,
Peter Sumner, Chrissie Hynde, Tim
McCartney-Snape, Peter Brock, Lynda Stoner,
Johnny Weissmuller (the first Tarzan), Julie
Christie, Morissey (The Smiths), Marty Feldman,
Murray Rose, Paavo Nurmi (9 Olympic medals),
Andreas Cahling (body building champion), Dave
Scott (6-time Ironman Triathlon winner),
k.d.lang, Belinda Carlisle, Edwin Moses, Sean
Hughes, Bryan Adams, Dennis Weaver, Woody
Harrelson, Killer Kowalski (champion wrestler),
Alicia Silverstone, Annalise Braakensiek, Vanessa
Amorosi, Greg Chappell, Jerry Seinfeld, Uri
Geller, Kim Basinger, Alec Baldwin, James
Cromwell, Radha Mitchell, Daniel Johns
(silverchair), Susie Porter, Joaquin Phoenix,
Josef Brown, Daniel Jones (Savage Garden).

To see hundreds more visit our page
http://www.hknet.org.nz/Veg-famouspeople-page.htm

For all this and more see our page at Vegetarianism and Beyond
http://www.hknet.org.nz/Veges-Beyond5page.htm or at
http://turn.to/Vegetarianism

For still more information mailto:***@xtra.co.nz

This page is also available on-line
www.hknet.org.nz/VegeFacts-links.html and as a printable Fact-sheet
without html links at www.hknet.org.nz/VegeFacts.html


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http://youtu.be/e_ejv98XyL8 - Nature
http://youtu.be/eaQ0swHmvrA - Birdy
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
http://youtu.be/5_Q4HgqOVK4 - Microbes


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raven1
2015-09-08 13:12:30 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
bitch moan whine
The objective, irrefutable truth is that humans share all
physiological traits with the herbivores of nature and none with the
carnivores.
Laughably false. And you're setting up a false dichotomy in any case,
omitting the category of "omnivore", which is where humans fall.
Idiot!
Jahnu
2015-09-08 15:10:51 UTC
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Post by raven1
Laughably false. And you're setting up a false dichotomy in any case,
omitting the category of "omnivore", which is where humans fall.
Idiot!
As this chart shows human share all physiological traits with the
herbivores of nature and none with the carnivores.

This also explains why mear-eater are more sick and miserable and
metally unbalanced than vegetarians. Not only are yhey more sick and
miserable, they are als stiink like shit, which is why the have to
constantly splash their bodies with an unendeing stream of deodorant,
mouthwash, mints and all kinds of chemical shit to mask the vile
stench of dead cadavers that emanate from every pore of their skin.

VEGETARIAN FLESH-EATER HUMAN


Hands / hoofs Claws as append- Hands as
as appendages ages appendages


Teeth flat Teeth sharp Teeth flat


Alkaline saliva; Acid saliva; no Alkaline saliva;
much ptyalin ptyalin enzyme much ptyalin
enzyme enzyme


Stomach acid 10 Much strong hydro- Stomach acid 10
times weaker chloride acid in times weaker than
than meat-eaters stomach meat-eaters


Long intestines Short intestines; Long intestines;
to digest nutrients rapidly excrete digest nutrients in
in plant foods fully putrefying flesh plant foods fully


Sweats to cool Pants to cool Sweats to cool
body body body


Sips water Laps water Sips water


Vitamin C obtained Vitamin C manu- Vitamin C obtained
solely from diet factured internally solely from diet


Exists largely on Consumes flesh Diet depends
fruit and nut diet; exclusively on environment


Grasping hands No manual dexte- Grasping hands
capable of using terity capable of using
tools and weapons tools and weapons


Inoffensive Putrid Offensiveness of excrement
excrement excrement depends on diet


Snack feeder Large meals infre- Combines worst of
frequently taken both worlds


Predominantly Preference for salty Likes both sweet and
sweet toothed / fatty food salty / fatty food


Likes to savor Bolts down Likes to savor food,
food, experiment food experiment with
with variety, com- variety, combine flavors
bine flavors


Large brains, able Small brains, less Large brains, able
to rationalize capable of adaptive to rationalize
behavior
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So as you see, the observable facts support the ancient knowledge of
the Ayurveda, which say, that human beings were designed mainly to be
vegetarians.

Then there are other facts that might help a thoughtful person
consider turning vegetarian.

In a series of comparative endurance tests conducted by Dr.
Irving Fisher of Yale University, vegetarians performed twice as well
as meat-eaters. When Dr. Fisher knocked down the non-vegetarians'
protein consumption by 20% their efficiency went up 30%.

Numerous other studies have shown that a proper vegetarian diet
provides more nutritional energy than meat. A study by Dr.J.Iotekyo
and V.Kipani at Brussels University showed that vegetarians were able
to perform physical tests 2-3 times longer than meat-eaters before
tiring out - and the vegetarians fully recovered from fatigue 3 times
more quickly than the meat eaters.

Sources: Irving Fisher, "The influence of flesh eating on Endurance,"
Yale Medical Journal, March 1907

J.L. Buttner, "A fleshless Diet: Vegetarianism as a rational dietary."

You want more? I have tons of the stuff. Would you like to see
scientific research linking consumption of meat to cancer?
Just let me know.


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http://youtu.be/e_ejv98XyL8 - Nature
http://youtu.be/eaQ0swHmvrA - Birdy
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
http://youtu.be/5_Q4HgqOVK4 - Microbes


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raven1
2015-09-08 15:28:59 UTC
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Post by raven1
Laughably false. And you're setting up a false dichotomy in any case,
omitting the category of "omnivore", which is where humans fall.
Idiot!
As this chart
Which I have already refuted several times, yet you re-post it, as I
noted, like a cat coughing up a hairball.
Post by Jahnu
shows human share all physiological traits with the
herbivores of nature and none with the carnivores.
You can use a chart to show practically anything if you cherry-pick
the items on it, and don't particularly care whether or not they're
accurate.
Post by Jahnu
This also explains why mear-eater are more sick and miserable and
metally unbalanced than vegetarians. Not only are yhey more sick and
miserable, they are als stiink like shit, which is why the have to
constantly splash their bodies with an unendeing stream of deodorant,
mouthwash, mints and all kinds of chemical shit to mask the vile
stench of dead cadavers that emanate from every pore of their skin.
Speaking of vile stenches, how's the Ganges doing, Jesper?
Post by Jahnu
VEGETARIAN FLESH-EATER HUMAN
Hands / hoofs Claws as append- Hands as
as appendages ages appendages
Humans have fingernails, which are claws. You're an idiot.
Post by Jahnu
Teeth flat Teeth sharp Teeth flat
Humans: canine teeth sharp. You're an idiot.
Post by Jahnu
Alkaline saliva; Acid saliva; no Alkaline saliva;
much ptyalin ptyalin enzyme much ptyalin
enzyme enzyme
Omnivores: much ptyalin enzyme. You're an idiot.
Post by Jahnu
Stomach acid 10 Much strong hydro- Stomach acid 10
times weaker chloride acid in times weaker than
than meat-eaters stomach meat-eaters
Humans: much strong hydrochloric acid in stomach. You're an idiot.
Post by Jahnu
Long intestines Short intestines; Long intestines;
to digest nutrients rapidly excrete digest nutrients in
in plant foods fully putrefying flesh plant foods fully
Omnivores: intestines suited for both types of food. You're an idiot.
Post by Jahnu
Sweats to cool Pants to cool Sweats to cool
body body body
Few animals besides primates and horses sweat to cool down. You're an
idiot. And I'm not going to bother addressing anything further, since
I've more than demonstrated my point, which is that you're an idiot.
Christopher A. Lee
2015-09-08 12:49:54 UTC
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Post by raven1
Post by Jahnu
On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 11:52:07 -0400, raven1
Post by raven1
Not this nonsense again! Most of it is wrong,
Because you say so?
No, because it's objectively wrong. I've refuted it several times
before, and won't be bothered to do it again just because you
regurgitate it like a cat coughing up a hairball. You need new
material, dumbass.
Antonio Banderas in his Zorro role, doing Puss in Boots...


Jahnu
2015-09-08 13:06:46 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
Antonio Banderas in his Zorro role, doing Puss in Boots...
ompassion for animals is intimately connected with goodness of
character, and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to
animals cannot be a good man” – Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher


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http://youtu.be/e_ejv98XyL8 - Nature
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http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/YHcWgSevItk - Poster Boy
http://youtu.be/5_Q4HgqOVK4 - Microbes


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