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Texas Church Shooting Leaves at Least 25 Dead, Official Says
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Leroy N. Soetoro
2017-11-05 22:02:18 UTC
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/us/church-shooting-texas.html

A gunman walked into a small Baptist church in rural Texas on Sunday and
opened fire, killing at least 25 people and turning a tiny town east of
San Antonio into the scene of the country’s most recent mass horror.

Representative Henry Cuellar of Texas confirmed the death toll, which has
steadily increased throughout the day after the shooting at the First
Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs.

Accounts of the number of dead have varied: Paul W. Pfeil, a Wilson
County, Tex., commissioner, said that he did not have a total count of
those killed but that it was “more than 20.”

Albert Gamez Jr., another Wilson County commissioner, told CNN that he was
told by an emergency medical technician that 27 people were dead and 24
others were injured. He said he was told by the police that the gunman was
chased into the next county and was killed, but it was not clear whether
the police shot him or he killed himself.

Mr. Gamez said the victims were still inside the church. Sutherland
Springs is a small community where everyone knows one another, he said.

He added: “You never expect something like this. My heart is broken.”

The unincorporated community has a population that numbers in the low
hundreds — the 2000 census was 362, according to the Texas State
Historical Association. The preliminary death toll would amount to about 7
percent of the population.

The service at the church last Sunday, which was posted on YouTube, began
with a rendition of a song called “Happiness Is the Lord.”

Then the pastor, Frank Pomeroy, told his parishioners — 20 to 30 were
visible in the video — to walk around the room and “shake somebody’s
hand.”

“Tell them it’s good to see them in God’s house this morning,” he said.

Videos posted online show lyrics to the hymns appearing on television
screens with parishioners playing electric guitars and a sign language
interpreter translating the songs.

Devin Keen, a constable in Wilson County, said “there were kids involved”
in the shooting at the church.

Sheriff Joe Tackitt of Wilson County told The Wilson County News that a
man had entered the church and begun firing.

Megan Posey, a spokeswoman for Connally Memorial Medical Center in
Floresville, Tex., said that she did not know exactly how many patients
the hospital had received, but that it was continuing to receive more.

The hospital has activated its emergency response team, she said.
Information about the conditions of patients was not immediately
available.

“We’re sending more officers on the streets to help secure Connally
Memorial while they’re bringing the casualties to the hospital,” Constable
Keen said.

Joseph Silva, 49, who lives about five miles northeast of Sutherland
Springs, said the police had instructed his family and neighbors to stay
indoors.

In a phone interview on Sunday afternoon, he described Sutherland Springs
as “a one-blinking-light town.”

“There is a gas station and a post office,” he said. “That’s about all
there really is.”

Mr. Silva said he had been approached by a woman who said she had two
loved ones at the church who were shot.

“There are a number of individuals just weeping and just wanted to know
what’s happened to their loved ones,” he said. “Everybody is pretty grief-
stricken. Everyone’s worried.”

The First Baptist Church of La Vernia, Tex., about seven miles away, wrote
on Facebook that it would open its doors from 5 to 7 p.m.

“Today an unthinkable tragedy occurred in our community,” the church
wrote. “There will be Pastors and leaders present to pray with you or to
talk, and the altar will be open for us to fall at the feet of Jesus.”

President Trump, who was in Japan on a trip to several Asian countries,
offered his support.

Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump
May God be w/ the people of Sutherland Springs, Texas. The FBI & law
enforcement are on the scene. I am monitoring the situation from Japan.
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God bless the people of Sutherland Springs, TX. Our country’s hearts are
breaking for the victims & their families. We love & are with you!
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Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas said on Twitter: “Our prayers are with all who
were harmed by this evil act. Our thanks to law enforcement for their
response.”

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Keeping all harmed in Sutherland Springs in our prayers and grateful for
our brave first responders on the scene.
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Ken Paxton, the attorney general of Texas, said in a statement: “The
thoughts and prayers of all Texans are with the people of Sutherland
Springs as tragic reports come out of First Baptist Church. My office
stands ready to assist local law enforcement as needed.”

On Facebook, a user described the church: “It is such a warm and welcoming
church that is truly filled with the Holy Spirit and shows real Christian
love and friendship.”

Correction: November 5, 2017
An earlier version of this article misspelled the surname of a Wilson
County commissioner. He is Albert Gamez Jr., not Gamaz.
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Cloud Hobbit
2017-11-05 22:20:53 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?

Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?

Or using Occam's razor a loonie and no God to stop it.
Alex W.
2017-11-06 00:50:19 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Or using Occam's razor a loonie and no God to stop it.
They will probably use the same arguments I have heard before whenever a
church was hit by lightning or collapsed onto a band of worshippers:

1. "God's ways are mysterious."

2. "They died in prayer and hence go straight to heaven, so it is
really a blessing."

3. Survivors will praise the lord saying it was a miracle they escaped
the bullets.
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2017-11-07 00:19:17 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
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Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Or using Occam's razor a loonie and no God to stop it.
They will probably use the same arguments I have heard before whenever a
1. "God's ways are mysterious."
2. "They died in prayer and hence go straight to heaven, so it is really a blessing."
3. Survivors will praise the lord saying it was a miracle they escaped the bullets.
Despicable bastards.
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2017-11-07 02:12:13 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Or using Occam's razor a loonie and no God to stop it.
They will probably use the same arguments I have heard before whenever a
1. "God's ways are mysterious."
2. "They died in prayer and hence go straight to heaven, so it is
really a blessing."
3. Survivors will praise the lord saying it was a miracle they escaped
the bullets.
The pastor of the church, who was out-of-town and whose 14-year old daughter was one of those murdered said that he doesn't understand but that his god does. That's just sick.
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2017-11-06 23:23:27 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.



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2017-11-07 00:17:14 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
Just another theist troll lying and trying to make trouble. This is common for
such trolls when real tragedies happen. They try to take advantage of them.
Of course Duke doesn't care about the people affected. After all, they're
Baptists not Catholics. To him that means they're not 'real Christians'.
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2017-11-07 22:00:49 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
Just another theist troll lying and trying to make trouble. This is common for
such trolls when real tragedies happen. They try to take advantage of them.
Of course Duke doesn't care about the people affected. After all, they're
Baptists not Catholics. To him that means they're not 'real Christians'.
The atheist shooter likely is burning in hell now.


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John Locke
2017-11-07 01:32:02 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists. If I were you, I'd be more concerned about all those
murderous Mexican cartels, whose members, for the most part, are
practicing Catholics.
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2017-11-07 22:01:20 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.

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2017-11-07 22:33:12 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.
...one alleged atheist versus thousands of murderous Catholic
cartel operatives.
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2017-11-08 23:25:46 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.
...one alleged atheist versus thousands of murderous Catholic
cartel operatives.
He was an admitted atheist that dispense 450 bullets to kill men, women,
children and fetuses. He is burning in hell now.

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2017-11-09 18:06:09 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.
...one alleged atheist versus thousands of murderous Catholic
cartel operatives.
He was an admitted atheist that dispense 450 bullets to kill men, women,
children and fetuses. He is burning in hell now.
...no. He has ceased to exist just like all the people he murdered.
There's absolutely no evidence for any afterlife or any hell.
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2017-11-09 20:53:22 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.
...one alleged atheist versus thousands of murderous Catholic
cartel operatives.
He was an admitted atheist that dispense 450 bullets to kill men, women,
children and fetuses. He is burning in hell now.
...no. He has ceased to exist just like all the people he murdered.
There's absolutely no evidence for any afterlife or any hell.
Everyone dies, including the murderer. So. his for his evil deed he's no
different from anyone else. Basically, he got away with murdering 26 people.
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2017-11-12 04:25:40 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.
...one alleged atheist versus thousands of murderous Catholic
cartel operatives.
He was an admitted atheist that dispense 450 bullets to kill men, women,
children and fetuses. He is burning in hell now.
...no. He has ceased to exist just like all the people he murdered.
There's absolutely no evidence for any afterlife or any hell.
Everyone dies, including the murderer. So. his for his evil deed he's no
different from anyone else. Basically, he got away with murdering 26 people.
..yes, that's about the size of it. Innocent people are dead and gone
and there was no penalty for the murderer. One might argue "well, it
cost him his life"...except in this case, the guy's life was utterly
worthless.
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2017-11-12 16:23:14 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.
...one alleged atheist versus thousands of murderous Catholic
cartel operatives.
He was an admitted atheist that dispense 450 bullets to kill men, women,
children and fetuses. He is burning in hell now.
...no. He has ceased to exist just like all the people he murdered.
There's absolutely no evidence for any afterlife or any hell.
Everyone dies, including the murderer. So. his for his evil deed he's no
different from anyone else. Basically, he got away with murdering 26 people.
..yes, that's about the size of it. Innocent people are dead and gone
and there was no penalty for the murderer. One might argue "well, it
cost him his life"...except in this case, the guy's life was utterly
worthless.
And really going to be bad in the fires of hell.

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2017-11-15 16:00:11 UTC
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.
...one alleged atheist versus thousands of murderous Catholic
cartel operatives.
He was an admitted atheist that dispense 450 bullets to kill men, women,
children and fetuses. He is burning in hell now.
...no. He has ceased to exist just like all the people he murdered.
There's absolutely no evidence for any afterlife or any hell.
Everyone dies, including the murderer. So. his for his evil deed he's no
different from anyone else. Basically, he got away with murdering 26 people.
..yes, that's about the size of it. Innocent people are dead and gone
and there was no penalty for the murderer. One might argue "well, it
cost him his life"...except in this case, the guy's life was utterly
worthless.
And really going to be bad in the fires of hell.
..fire is a chemical process of rapid oxidation and feeling
pain is a biological process facilitated by neuro-receptors.
So what you're say is that's there's fuel and oxygen in hell and
souls have neurological systems ? Hogwash.
Let's see some evidence, Earl. Got any ? I didn't think so.
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.
...one alleged atheist versus thousands of murderous Catholic
cartel operatives.
He was an admitted atheist that dispense 450 bullets to kill men, women,
children and fetuses. He is burning in hell now.
...no. He has ceased to exist just like all the people he murdered.
There's absolutely no evidence for any afterlife or any hell.
Everyone dies, including the murderer. So. his for his evil deed he's no
different from anyone else. Basically, he got away with murdering 26 people.
..yes, that's about the size of it. Innocent people are dead and gone
and there was no penalty for the murderer. One might argue "well, it
cost him his life"...except in this case, the guy's life was utterly
worthless.
And really going to be bad in the fires of hell.
..fire is a chemical process of rapid oxidation and feeling
pain is a biological process facilitated by neuro-receptors.
So what you're say is that's there's fuel and oxygen in hell and
souls have neurological systems ? Hogwash.
Let's see some evidence, Earl. Got any ? I didn't think so.
God doesn't need us to furnish the oxygen and fuel.


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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.
...one alleged atheist versus thousands of murderous Catholic
cartel operatives.
He was an admitted atheist that dispense 450 bullets to kill men, women,
children and fetuses. He is burning in hell now.
...no. He has ceased to exist just like all the people he murdered.
There's absolutely no evidence for any afterlife or any hell.
Everyone dies, including the murderer. So. his for his evil deed he's no
different from anyone else. Basically, he got away with murdering 26 people.
Nope. He's going to hell. They're possibly going to heaven.

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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.
...one alleged atheist versus thousands of murderous Catholic
cartel operatives.
He was an admitted atheist that dispense 450 bullets to kill men, women,
children and fetuses. He is burning in hell now.
...no. He has ceased to exist just like all the people he murdered.
There's absolutely no evidence for any afterlife or any hell.
God revealed it.

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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.
...one alleged atheist versus thousands of murderous Catholic
cartel operatives.
He was an admitted atheist that dispense 450 bullets to kill men, women,
children and fetuses. He is burning in hell now.
...no. He has ceased to exist just like all the people he murdered.
There's absolutely no evidence for any afterlife or any hell.
God revealed it.
...then show me the original blueprints. I want to know all the
technical details. How does one sustain a hell for eternity ? Show us
the evidence else you've got nothing but a myth.
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
..yes, you religious jokers will jump on any oportunity to deride
atheists.
He was an admitted crazed atheist.
...one alleged atheist versus thousands of murderous Catholic
cartel operatives.
He was an admitted atheist that dispense 450 bullets to kill men, women,
children and fetuses. He is burning in hell now.
...no. He has ceased to exist just like all the people he murdered.
There's absolutely no evidence for any afterlife or any hell.
God revealed it.
...then show me the original blueprints. I want to know all the
technical details. How does one sustain a hell for eternity ? Show us
the evidence else you've got nothing but a myth.
God maintains it, IF he wishes to..

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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
Where was your "god's protection" for his
followers as they were being gunned down one
by one?

What prayers were they uttering, and why
didn't they help?
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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Just another crazed atheist murdering his neighbors.
Where was your "god's protection" for his
followers as they were being gunned down one
by one?
They are in heaven now.
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What prayers were they uttering, and why
didn't they help?
450 shots.

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Did God get passed at those people for some reason?
Or could it be that it was just another loonie and God chose to ignore it?
Or using Occam's razor a loonie and no God to stop it.
I saw this piece of info--the bastard's estranged wife occasionally worshipped at the church. Would he have gone after her had he escaped alive? After all, the most dangerous time for an abused woman is when she finally leaves.

We've also seen why he was court-martialled and dishonorably discharged--he beat his 1st wife and fractured the skull of her infant, his stepson. But the conviction was never reported to the database that would have prevented him from passing the background check to buy guns.
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