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jdyoung
2018-09-03 20:48:21 UTC
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Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the devil’s role in
the current crisis in the Church:



When we read that a cardinal asked young seminarians to sleep with
him, thus corrupting them before they became ordained, and when we
read that a few Pennsylvania priests used sacred objects like the
crucifix to molest their victims, we cannot plausibly say that this is
simply the work of men gone bad. No, it is the work of the devil. What
other source would provoke such monstrosities?

The Apocalypse (12:7-9) speaks of Satan as the one who “seduceth the
whole world.” Jesus referred to Satan as the Father of Lies who
perverted the truth. The Catholic Catechism says Satan’s “seductive
voice” seeks to turn us against God.

If Satan tempted our Lord in the desert, he is surely capable of
tempting the clergy, and sometimes winning. Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
put it well when he said, “Satan stations more devils on monastery
walls than in dens of iniquity, for the latter offer no resistance.”

Demands for accountability matter, but without prayer, this crisis
will not be resolved.


J Young
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2018-09-03 21:00:41 UTC
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Come on. Grow up !

God and Satan are totally ridiculous concepts.

Obviously, niether exists.
m***@gmail.com
2018-09-03 23:15:27 UTC
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Come on. Grow up !
God and Satan are totally ridiculous concepts.
Obviously, niether exists.
J has been a troll for at least 30 years. I've been in alt.atheism for 23
years, and he's always been in alt.atheism as a troll during this time.
Others have told me he was here before that.
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2018-09-03 23:25:18 UTC
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Come on. Grow up !
God and Satan are totally ridiculous concepts.
Obviously, niether exists.
J has been a troll for at least 30 years. I've been in alt.atheism for 23
years, and he's always been in alt.atheism as a troll during this time.
Others have told me he was here before that.
alt.atheism is a non union newsgroup ,
the amount of time you spend here doesn't mean anything ,
there is no seniority
Andrew
2018-09-03 18:49:27 UTC
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Come on. Grow up !
God and Satan are totally ridiculous concepts.
Obviously, niether exists.
J has been a troll for at least 30 years. I've been in alt.atheism for 23
years, and he's always been in alt.atheism as a troll during this time.
Others have told me he was here before that.
He's not a "troll", except perhaps to those who have been
infected with the most terrible of all plagues - bigotry.
_V_infernalis_
2018-09-04 02:34:49 UTC
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Come on. Grow up !
God and Satan are totally ridiculous concepts.
Obviously, niether exists.
...
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J has been a troll for at least 30 years. I've been in alt.atheism for 23
years, and he's always been in alt.atheism as a troll during this time.
Others have told me he was here before that.
He's not a "troll", except perhaps to those who have been
infected with the most terrible of all plagues - bigotry.
Yeah, no trolling at all involved in defending actual German Nazis,
attacking the "Japs", gays, and endlessly bashing Jews.

Just good clean fun.


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Kevrob
2018-09-04 15:27:11 UTC
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He's not a "troll", except perhaps to those who have been
infected with the most terrible of all plagues - bigotry.
How does one troll clear another of the charge?

Trolls, both of you.

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John Locke
2018-09-04 18:51:17 UTC
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Come on. Grow up !
God and Satan are totally ridiculous concepts.
Obviously, niether exists.
J has been a troll for at least 30 years. I've been in alt.atheism for 23
years, and he's always been in alt.atheism as a troll during this time.
Others have told me he was here before that.
He's not a "troll", except perhaps to those who have been
infected with the most terrible of all plagues - bigotry.
...wrong...the most terrible of all plagues is religion and you're not
only infested, you're totaly saturated with the evil pathogen of god
delusion. Contact you're local exorcist immediately !
m***@gmail.com
2018-09-06 00:42:21 UTC
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Come on. Grow up !
God and Satan are totally ridiculous concepts.
Obviously, niether exists.
J has been a troll for at least 30 years. I've been in alt.atheism for 23
years, and he's always been in alt.atheism as a troll during this time.
Others have told me he was here before that.
He's not a "troll", except perhaps to those who have been
infected with the most terrible of all plagues - bigotry.
J is a fascist/Nazi symp. He's been bigoted since day one. He has also
posted fake death report on people who stopped posting in aa. And he
sends phony good wishes on religious holidays for religions he has
always insulted.
Andrew
2018-09-03 18:49:47 UTC
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Come on. Grow up !
God and Satan are totally ridiculous concepts.
Obviously, niether exists.
There is an atheist, actually a pseudo-atheist, who
posts here everyday who is convinced that they do.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-09-04 05:47:57 UTC
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So according to Donohue their defense should be , "The devil made me do it."


Bwahahahahaha Bwahahahahahahahaha
You guys would crack me up if you weren't so disgustingly repulsive and evil.

People had their lives ruined by members of the clergy and the church hid the people most likely guilty of child abuse and pedophilia against members of the "flock."

People like Donohue and those involved is this disgusting display of an organization thinking it is above the law, should save everyone a lot energy and just quietly eat their guns.
They are contemptible and for the Christians they should be absolutely hellbound. Nothing else would come close to an appropriate punishment.

For atheists, I think we already know that these people need to be prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Kind of a no brainer.

But there are some, a very, very few, who want you to think that the devil took possession of of some students for Christ and none of the religious instructors, lay or clergy, were able to spot the influence of SATAN!

FUCK that.

Can you imagine what allowing the devil made me do it would do to the legal system.

Where is God in all this crap?
Supposed to be the most powerful entity in the universe and Pffft.
Nothing. Must all gonna be happening in the afterlife.

FUCK that.

God should be actively condemning these people and these actions in no uncertain terms. Always good to energize the base.

Then maybe he could explain the pos bible thingy that nobody Fucking understands. And smack the antievolution people upside the head and let them know that evolution does not negate God. Lots of other things do that, but that's another conversation that could never take place here.

I feel some sympathy for the people who make up the flocks, I will shed no tears as more and more revelations reveal that they have been duped by liars and scammers and that it is slowly destroying the RCC. I have a hunch that this is the tip of of a massive iceberg of criminal activity, immoral acts, coverups, lies, forgeries, and pretty much whatever evil it is possible to commit in such an environment as the RCC. I think their evil runs deep. I hope that I am wrong and it really is just a few aberrant incidents, I really do. The idea that all this is institutional is sickening beyond belief.

I just don't believe that to be the case.
Rod
2018-09-04 12:10:30 UTC
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Come on. Grow up !
God and Satan are totally ridiculous concepts.
Obviously, niether exists.
There is an atheist, actually a pseudo-atheist, who
posts here everyday who is convinced that they do.
Some people are convinced that they are Enki and Enlil
of sumerian tablets fame.
PatB
2018-09-04 13:29:44 UTC
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Come on. Grow up !
God and Satan are totally ridiculous concepts.
Obviously, niether exists.
There is an atheist, actually a pseudo-atheist, who
posts here everyday who is convinced that they do.
Some people are convinced that they are Enki and Enlil
of sumerian tablets fame.
Who are these people?
Rod
2018-09-04 15:52:15 UTC
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Come on. Grow up !
God and Satan are totally ridiculous concepts.
Obviously, niether exists.
There is an atheist, actually a pseudo-atheist, who
posts here everyday who is convinced that they do.
Some people are convinced that they are Enki and Enlil
of sumerian tablets fame.
Who are these people?
Enki and Enlil? Pre-flood. Do a search on Google for
sumerian tablets, or Enki and Enlill and read up on
it.
_V_infernalis_
2018-09-03 21:37:17 UTC
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Catholic League president Bill Donohue
Bill Donohue?



Thank you!




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Robert Carnegie
2018-09-03 22:10:28 UTC
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Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the devil’s role in
When we read that a cardinal asked young seminarians to sleep with
him, thus corrupting them before they became ordained, and when we
read that a few Pennsylvania priests used sacred objects like the
crucifix to molest their victims, we cannot plausibly say that this is
simply the work of men gone bad. No, it is the work of the devil. What
other source would provoke such monstrosities?
The Apocalypse (12:7-9) speaks of Satan as the one who “seduceth the
whole world.” Jesus referred to Satan as the Father of Lies who
perverted the truth. The Catholic Catechism says Satan’s “seductive
voice” seeks to turn us against God.
If Satan tempted our Lord in the desert, he is surely capable of
tempting the clergy, and sometimes winning. Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
put it well when he said, “Satan stations more devils on monastery
walls than in dens of iniquity, for the latter offer no resistance.”
Demands for accountability matter, but without prayer, this crisis
will not be resolved.
J Young
Stay away from Catholic priests. They carry devils.
And HIV.
G-D
2018-09-03 22:32:48 UTC
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Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the devil’s role in
When we read that a cardinal asked young seminarians to sleep with
him, thus corrupting them before they became ordained, and when we
read that a few Pennsylvania priests used sacred objects like the
crucifix to molest their victims, we cannot plausibly say that this is
simply the work of men gone bad. No, it is the work of the devil. What
other source would provoke such monstrosities?
The Apocalypse (12:7-9) speaks of Satan as the one who “seduceth the
whole world.” Jesus referred to Satan as the Father of Lies who
perverted the truth. The Catholic Catechism says Satan’s “seductive
voice” seeks to turn us against God.
If Satan tempted our Lord in the desert, he is surely capable of
tempting the clergy, and sometimes winning. Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
put it well when he said, “Satan stations more devils on monastery
walls than in dens of iniquity, for the latter offer no resistance.”
Demands for accountability matter, but without prayer, this crisis
will not be resolved.
J Young
Oh sure blame me for every fucking thing.
Man up all you ass fucking cock sucks.
You faggots are all guilty on your own.

G-D
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2018-09-03 23:09:52 UTC
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Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the devil’s role in
When we read that a cardinal asked young seminarians to sleep with
him, thus corrupting them before they became ordained, and when we
read that a few Pennsylvania priests used sacred objects like the
crucifix to molest their victims, we cannot plausibly say that this is
simply the work of men gone bad. No, it is the work of the devil. What
other source would provoke such monstrosities?
J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil, not them. Hey, we all know how he feels about Hitler
and other fascists. I guess he blames the devil for being a Nazi
symp himself. It's not his fault! Oh,no, J actually does like
being a fascist!
The Apocalypse (12:7-9) speaks of Satan as the one who “seduceth the
whole world.” Jesus referred to Satan as the Father of Lies who
perverted the truth. The Catholic Catechism says Satan’s “seductive
voice” seeks to turn us against God.
If Satan tempted our Lord in the desert, he is surely capable of
tempting the clergy, and sometimes winning. Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
put it well when he said, “Satan stations more devils on monastery
walls than in dens of iniquity, for the latter offer no resistance.”
Demands for accountability matter, but without prayer, this crisis
will not be resolved.
J Young
Andrew
2018-09-03 18:48:14 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator; the holy, Blessed One.
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2018-09-04 02:10:09 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator...
Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Andrew
2018-09-03 21:02:06 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator...
Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Looks like you are another pseudo-atheist, creationist.
_V_infernalis_
2018-09-04 05:02:43 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator...
...
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Looks like you are another pseudo-atheist, creationist.
Looks to everyone else like you're dodging the question.

As you always do, and presumably always will.

But hey, hope springs eternal. So I'll give you another chance to prove
us wrong. So tell us: when God created Lucifer, did God foresee that
'ol Luce was going to go bad, really really bad, and tempt billions unto damnation?

Or was He totally flabbergasted when it turned out that way?


(I've got a little bet with myself which of your well practiced avoidance techniques you'll
try this time. please prove me wrong)




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2018-09-04 01:03:04 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator...
...
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Post by Davej
Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Looks like you are another pseudo-atheist, creationist.
Looks to everyone else like you're dodging the question.
As you always do, and presumably always will.
But hey, hope springs eternal. So I'll give you another chance to prove
us wrong. So tell us: when God created Lucifer, did God..
Looks like we have yet another pseudo-atheist, creationist here.
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foresee that 'ol Luce was going to go bad, really really bad, and tempt
billions unto damnation?
Why don't you ask Him?
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Or was He totally flabbergasted when it turned out that way?
(I've got a little bet with myself which of your well practiced avoidance techniques you'll
try this time. please prove me wrong)
V
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2018-09-04 08:46:00 UTC
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Looks like you are another pseudo-atheist, creationist.
Looks to everyone else like you're dodging the question.
As you always do, and presumably always will.
But hey, hope springs eternal. So I'll give you another chance to prove
us wrong. So tell us: when God created Lucifer, did God..
Looks like we have yet another pseudo-atheist, creationist here.
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foresee that 'ol Luce was going to go bad, really really bad, and tempt
billions unto damnation?
Why don't you ask Him?
______________________

Evasion noted.
_V_infernalis_
2018-09-04 16:58:15 UTC
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Looks like you are another pseudo-atheist, creationist.
Looks to everyone else like you're dodging the question.
As you always do, and presumably always will.
But hey, hope springs eternal. So I'll give you another chance to prove
us wrong. So tell us: when God created Lucifer, did God..
Looks like we have yet another pseudo-atheist, creationist here.
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foresee that 'ol Luce was going to go bad, really really bad, and tempt
billions unto damnation?
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Why don't you ask Him?
______________________
Evasion noted.
As reliable as the rising sun.


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2018-09-04 16:57:23 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator...
...
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Looks like you are another pseudo-atheist, creationist.
+++
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Looks to everyone else like you're dodging the question.
As you always do, and presumably always will.
But hey, hope springs eternal. So I'll give you another chance to prove
us wrong. So tell us: when God created Lucifer, did God..
Looks like we have yet another pseudo-atheist, creationist here.
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foresee that 'ol Luce was going to go bad, really really bad, and tempt
billions unto damnation?
Why don't you ask Him?
Well, apparently He doesn't read alt.atheism.

Which is a shame in some ways, because I wouldn't at all mind asking
Him what He thinks of a guy -- that would be you -- who supposedly is here
on His side, yet who invariably dodges the tough questions about Him in the most
embarrassingly transparent ways possible.

And who seemingly is incapable of feeling any shame about
blatantly doing so.

Is it because said guy has his own doubts? Or just that this guy
doesn't want to think about unsettling questions like that?

(and after that I might ask Him why he just sat back and watched
while the Serpent strolled unimpeded into the Garden. Maybe
what happened after that was also a huge surprise to Him?)


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Or was He totally flabbergasted when it turned out that way?
(I've got a little bet with myself which of your well practiced avoidance techniques you'll
try this time. please prove me wrong)
V
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2018-09-06 01:02:18 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator...
...
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Post by Davej
Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Looks like you are another pseudo-atheist, creationist.
Looks to everyone else like you're dodging the question.
As you always do, and presumably always will.
But hey, hope springs eternal. So I'll give you another chance to prove
us wrong. So tell us: when God created Lucifer, did God..
Looks like we have yet another pseudo-atheist, creationist here.
Post by _V_infernalis_
foresee that 'ol Luce was going to go bad, really really bad, and tempt
billions unto damnation?
Why don't you ask Him?
Post by _V_infernalis_
Or was He totally flabbergasted when it turned out that way?
(I've got a little bet with myself which of your well practiced avoidance techniques you'll try this time. please prove me wrong)
You were right, V. He answered nothing because he can't. Andyroo is just another theist troll playing the circle game. Either he simply ignores
questions he's incapable of answering or he tries to change the subject.
Iow, he runs away clucking like mad.
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2018-09-04 15:34:32 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator...
...
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Post by Davej
Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Looks like you are another pseudo-atheist, creationist.
Looks to everyone else like you're dodging the question.
As you always do, and presumably always will.
But hey, hope springs eternal. So I'll give you another chance to prove
us wrong. So tell us: when God created Lucifer, did God foresee that
'ol Luce was going to go bad, really really bad, and tempt billions unto damnation?
Or was He totally flabbergasted when it turned out that way?
(I've got a little bet with myself which of your well practiced avoidance techniques you'll
try this time. please prove me wrong)
The churches really screwed up when they bolted the Greek
philosophers' "attributes of ghod" onto Christianity.
An omnipotent, omniscient being necessarily would know how
things would turn out. Are we to believe it voluntarily limited
its power to foresee events? It's at least temporarily less-than-
omniscient, then. The old pagan pantheons didn't have ghodz like
that, or they had them, but the whole gaggle of deities didn't know,
these things. that was left to the Fates, the Norns, etc.

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2018-09-04 12:20:08 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by
anyone on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything
bad done by anyone on our most awesome Creator...
...
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Post by Davej
Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to
blame?
Looks like you are another pseudo-atheist, creationist.
Looks to everyone else like you're dodging the question.
As you always do, and presumably always will.
But hey, hope springs eternal. So I'll give you another chance to
prove us wrong. So tell us: when God created Lucifer, did God
foresee that 'ol Luce was going to go bad, really really bad, and
tempt billions unto damnation?
Or was He totally flabbergasted when it turned out that way?
Bad news to you. Satan only exists in the mind of man. He is entirely a
delusion of men. God never has to create his own sworn enemy. That is a
logical impossibility.
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(I've got a little bet with myself which of your well practiced
avoidance techniques you'll try this time. please prove me wrong)
V
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Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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2018-09-06 00:45:16 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator...
Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Looks like you are another pseudo-atheist, creationist.
Are you admitting that you support J because you are also a
Nazi sympathizer?
Christopher A. Lee
2018-09-04 12:19:52 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator...
What a fucking moron - a liar as well as an idiot.

He simply applies basic logic to the self-contradicting bullshit these
assholes incessantly wipe in our faces.
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Only if you're omniscient and omnipotent. Oops - even his pretend
friend can't be both at once.
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2018-09-04 14:01:24 UTC
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !

Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Andrew
2018-09-04 07:46:13 UTC
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Can you support the premise that such an act ever happened?
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2018-09-06 01:30:07 UTC
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Can you support the premise that such an act ever happened?
It was just an idea he was posting. But, as usual, you tried to twist
what he said into something he didn't say. Do you even know who Enki
and Enlil were supposed to be? Have you been taking posting lessons
from MattB?
Andrew
2018-09-04 07:48:34 UTC
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
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2018-09-04 15:37:40 UTC
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
Parents don't have complete control and knowledge of what their
offspring might do. Your Yahooey, by your legend, is supposed to.

Your analogy fails.

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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
Parents don't have complete control and knowledge of what their
offspring might do. Your Yahooey, by your legend, is supposed to.
He gives us all freedom. What's wrong with that?

How would you do it differently?
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
Parents don't have complete control and knowledge of what their
offspring might do. Your Yahooey, by your legend, is supposed to.
He gives us all freedom. What's wrong with that?
How would you do it differently?
If people have freedom, then, does your version of Yahooey
know how individuals would use it, and if he did, and he is
omnipotent, then doesn't that imply predestination, and a lack
of freedom: people's lives determined by the ghod's will, though
they'd have the _illusion_ of freedom.

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2018-09-05 10:50:19 UTC
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If people have freedom, then, does your version of God
know how individuals would use it, and if he did, and he is
omnipotent, then doesn't that imply predestination, and a lack
of freedom: people's lives determined by God's will, though
they'd have the _illusion_ of freedom.
Actually, that's hyper-Calvinism. But you're getting warm.

"A person plans his way, but the LORD directs his steps."
[Proverbs 16:9]
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2018-09-04 16:37:19 UTC
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That would have something to do with context. Some parents teach their children to respect the law and those who are sworn to uphold it. Other parents teach disregard and disrespect for the law and that those who uphold it are the enemy.

The bottom line in this discussion is whether evil could be done if humans were not given the ability to do evil in the first place. If humans couldn't do evil until given the ability by some imaginary deity, then we blame it as the cause of evil amongst humans.
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2018-09-04 16:53:49 UTC
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That would have something to do with context. Some parents teach
their children to respect the law and those who are sworn to uphold
it. Other parents teach disregard and disrespect for the law and
that those who uphold it are the enemy.
The bottom line in this discussion is whether evil could be done if
humans were not given the ability to do evil in the first place. If
humans couldn't do evil until given the ability by some imaginary
deity, then we blame it as the cause of evil amongst humans.
If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be humans able to love
God. They would be robots.

See: "The Freedom of the Will", by Jonathan Edwards.
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See: "The Freedom of the Will", by Jonathan Edwards.


Is he God?

If not then he has no part in the discussion. If God created eve everything and evil is part of everything then God created evil.
If God created evil and did so knowing how things would turn out and especially since he never does anything to prevent it then it is God who is responsible for every act of evil ever committed.

The inescapable conclusion here is that God is evil.
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See: "The Freedom of the Will", by Jonathan Edwards.
Is he God? If not then he has no part in the discussion.
Your refusal to hear both sides has been noted.

Your argument is thereby dismissed as insignificant.
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Is he God? If not then he has no part in the discussion.
Your refusal to hear both sides has been noted.
Your argument is thereby dismissed as insignificant.
___________________

Your refusal to accept that your side has nothing but lies, fables, forgery, and mythology means you will continue to be dismissed as an idiot and liar as your religion rots on the trash heap of history.
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Your refusal to accept that your side has nothing but lies, fables,
forgery, and mythology.
Until you irrefutably prove any of that, you are the liar who believes
in fables, forgery, and mythology.


You're welcome, Clown.

<smirk>
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2018-09-04 23:32:46 UTC
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Your refusal to accept that your side has nothing but lies, fables,
forgery, and mythology.
Until you irrefutably prove any of that, you are the liar who believes
in fables, forgery, and mythology.


You're welcome, Clown.

<smirk>

________________

PRATT.

The bible has been proven to be all of those things while God has not been proven to exist.

Until you irrefutably prove any of your beliefs to be true they mist all be considered lies, fables, and mythology.
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The bible has been proven to be all of those things while God has not been proven to exist.
There's another lie from the Clown.

<smirk>

You're welcome.
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2018-09-04 17:33:37 UTC
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Is he God? If not then he has no part in the discussion.
Your refusal to hear both sides has been noted.
Your argument is thereby dismissed as insignificant.
___________________
Your refusal to accept that your side has nothing but lies, fables,
forgery, and mythology means you will continue to be dismissed
as an idiot and liar as your religion rots on the trash heap of
history.
Meanwhile your Day is fast approaching. How you respond
to truth now in this realm will be an important factor at that
time as to how things turn out for you then.
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See: "The Freedom of the Will", by Jonathan Edwards.
Is he God? If not then he has no part in the discussion.
Your refusal to hear both sides has been noted.
Your argument is thereby dismissed as insignificant.
___________________
Your refusal to accept that your side has nothing but lies, fables,
forgery, and mythology means you will continue to be dismissed
as an idiot and liar as your religion rots on the trash heap of
history.
Meanwhile your Day is fast approaching. How you respond
to truth now in this realm will be an important factor at that
time as to how things turn out for you then.
Again with the religious threats. That's another admission that handling
this discussion is beyond your ability. The coward runs away throwing
threat rants over his shoulder. Besides, you have no way of knowing
whether or not every atheist responding to you in this thread is
one of the elect. You have no way of knowing that you are
and that is driving you crazy.
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2018-09-04 17:33:58 UTC
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Post by Bob
See: "The Freedom of the Will", by Jonathan Edwards.
Is he God? If not then he has no part in the discussion.
Your refusal to hear both sides has been noted.
They shut their eyes and plug their ears.

Not a sign of those desiring the truth.
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Your argument is thereby dismissed as insignificant.
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2018-09-04 17:34:34 UTC
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Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
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That would have something to do with context. Some parents teach
their children to respect the law and those who are sworn to uphold
it. Other parents teach disregard and disrespect for the law and
that those who uphold it are the enemy.
The bottom line in this discussion is whether evil could be done if
humans were not given the ability to do evil in the first place. If
humans couldn't do evil until given the ability by some imaginary
deity, then we blame it as the cause of evil amongst humans.
If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be humans able to love
God. They would be robots.
Exactly!
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See: "The Freedom of the Will", by Jonathan Edwards.
John Locke
2018-09-05 01:09:17 UTC
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That would have something to do with context. Some parents teach
their children to respect the law and those who are sworn to uphold
it. Other parents teach disregard and disrespect for the law and
that those who uphold it are the enemy.
The bottom line in this discussion is whether evil could be done if
humans were not given the ability to do evil in the first place. If
humans couldn't do evil until given the ability by some imaginary
deity, then we blame it as the cause of evil amongst humans.
If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be humans able to love
God. They would be robots.
...there's no "God" to disobey which makes YOU the robot, entrapped
and enslaved by your own delusional mind and subject to the whims of a
deity that doesn't exist.
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2018-09-04 18:12:37 UTC
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Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
____________
That would have something to do with context. Some parents teach
their children to respect the law and those who are sworn to uphold
it. Other parents teach disregard and disrespect for the law and
that those who uphold it are the enemy.
The bottom line in this discussion is whether evil could be done if
humans were not given the ability to do evil in the first place. If
humans couldn't do evil until given the ability by some imaginary
deity, then we blame it as the cause of evil amongst humans.
If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be humans able to love
God. They would be robots.
...there's no "God" to disobey which makes YOU the robot, entrapped
and enslaved by your own delusional mind and subject to the whims of a
deity that doesn't exist.
Oh He does exist. We've gone over this before.
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2018-09-05 01:46:03 UTC
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Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
____________
That would have something to do with context. Some parents teach
their children to respect the law and those who are sworn to uphold
it. Other parents teach disregard and disrespect for the law and
that those who uphold it are the enemy.
The bottom line in this discussion is whether evil could be done if
humans were not given the ability to do evil in the first place. If
humans couldn't do evil until given the ability by some imaginary
deity, then we blame it as the cause of evil amongst humans.
If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be humans able to love
God. They would be robots.
...there's no "God" to disobey which makes YOU the robot, entrapped
and enslaved by your own delusional mind and subject to the whims of a
deity that doesn't exist.
Oh He does exist. We've gone over this before.
He really hates being wrong. You can tell by the words he uses.

It's like he's not talking to us. He's trying to convince himself that
he's right.

If he says it enough times, he will start to believe it.

He has lost all sense of rational thought.
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2018-09-04 23:40:30 UTC
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Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
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That would have something to do with context. Some parents teach
their children to respect the law and those who are sworn to uphold
it. Other parents teach disregard and disrespect for the law and
that those who uphold it are the enemy.
The bottom line in this discussion is whether evil could be done if
humans were not given the ability to do evil in the first place. If
humans couldn't do evil until given the ability by some imaginary
deity, then we blame it as the cause of evil amongst humans.
If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be humans able to love
God. They would be robots.
...there's no "God" to disobey which makes YOU the robot, entrapped
and enslaved by your own delusional mind and subject to the whims of a
deity that doesn't exist.
Oh He does exist. We've gone over this before.
He really hates being wrong. You can tell by the words he uses.
It's like he's not talking to us. He's trying to convince himself that he's right.
If he says it enough times, he will start to believe it.
He has lost all sense of rational thought.
I noticed that.
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Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
____________
That would have something to do with context. Some parents teach
their children to respect the law and those who are sworn to uphold
it. Other parents teach disregard and disrespect for the law and
that those who uphold it are the enemy.
The bottom line in this discussion is whether evil could be done if
humans were not given the ability to do evil in the first place. If
humans couldn't do evil until given the ability by some imaginary
deity, then we blame it as the cause of evil amongst humans.
If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be humans able to love
God. They would be robots.
...there's no "God" to disobey which makes YOU the robot, entrapped
and enslaved by your own delusional mind and subject to the whims of a
deity that doesn't exist.
Oh He does exist. We've gone over this before.
...yes, we've been over this before. You have no verifiable evidence
whatsoever that your god exists. Thus, you're not accredited to make
such an extraordinary claim. No proof, no god...simple.
Bob
2018-09-05 16:31:11 UTC
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Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
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That would have something to do with context. Some parents teach
their children to respect the law and those who are sworn to uphold
it. Other parents teach disregard and disrespect for the law and
that those who uphold it are the enemy.
The bottom line in this discussion is whether evil could be done if
humans were not given the ability to do evil in the first place. If
humans couldn't do evil until given the ability by some imaginary
deity, then we blame it as the cause of evil amongst humans.
If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be humans able to love
God. They would be robots.
...there's no "God" to disobey which makes YOU the robot, entrapped
and enslaved by your own delusional mind and subject to the whims of a
deity that doesn't exist.
Oh He does exist. We've gone over this before.
...yes, we've been over this before. You have no verifiable evidence
whatsoever that your god exists. Thus, you're not accredited to make
such an extraordinary claim. No proof, no god...simple.
Because the evidence we have is not "verifiable" does not mean that it's
not evidence enough for us to know He exists.

Not everyone is meant to have that evidence.

"So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden
the hearts of others so they refuse to listen."
[Romans 9:18]


"They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of
God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of
heart. They have become callous and have given themselves up to
sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity."
[Ephesians 4:18-19]


"The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children
of God."
[Romans 8:16]


"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from
the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand
them because they are discerned only through the Spirit."
[1 Corinthians 2:14]


"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are
perishing.
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the
unbelievers,
to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ,
who is
the image of God."
[2 Corinthians 4:3-4]
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2018-09-05 15:16:53 UTC
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Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
____________
That would have something to do with context. Some parents teach
their children to respect the law and those who are sworn to uphold
it. Other parents teach disregard and disrespect for the law and
that those who uphold it are the enemy.
The bottom line in this discussion is whether evil could be done if
humans were not given the ability to do evil in the first place. If
humans couldn't do evil until given the ability by some imaginary
deity, then we blame it as the cause of evil amongst humans.
If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be humans able to love
God. They would be robots.
...there's no "God" to disobey which makes YOU the robot, entrapped
and enslaved by your own delusional mind and subject to the whims of a
deity that doesn't exist.
Oh He does exist. We've gone over this before.
...yes, we've been over this before. You have no verifiable evidence
whatsoever that your god exists. Thus, you're not accredited to make
such an extraordinary claim. No proof, no god...simple.
Hey John..Did you ever answer my question as to what is the
origin of biological information?

Every living thing has biological information. All plants and
animals on our planet.

It has no "naturalistic only" origin.

Therefore.. .. ..

Think!
Cloud Hobbit
2018-09-05 23:01:22 UTC
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Hey John..Did you ever answer my question as to what is the
origin of biological information?

Every living thing has biological information. All plants and
animals on our planet.

It has no "naturalistic only" origin.

Therefore.. .. ..

Think!
_________________

You still have not answered how your God came to exist. If you say he is eternal you still have to explain how that's possible.

Only matter and energy can't be created or destroyed which means God is matter since energy doesn't exist unless it is an aspect of some kind of matter.

So God would have to be some combination of the 2.

It still doesn't explain where God came from.

Nothing about God is explainable in rational terms. The nature of God as described by theists is a trap. It traps you with every contradiction.

Run away now and play with the other theist idiots.

You have nothing.

If you did have something you would be able to prove your God. You wouldn't need faith.
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2018-09-05 17:28:50 UTC
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Hey John..Did you ever answer my question as to what is the
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Every living thing has biological information. All plants and
animals on our planet.
It has no "naturalistic only" origin.
Therefore.. .. ..
Think!
_________________
You still have not answered how your God came to exist.
You would neither understand or accept it. Nevertheless He
absolutely does exist.
Post by Andrew
If you say he is eternal you still have to explain how that's possible.
He is eternal in the context of the creation.
Post by Andrew
Only matter and energy can't be created or destroyed which means
God is matter since energy doesn't exist unless it is an aspect of
some kind of matter.
You would neither understand or accept my answer.

Nevertheless He absolutely does exist.
Post by Andrew
So God would have to be some combination of the 2.
No.
Post by Andrew
It still doesn't explain where God came from.
Yet He is.
Post by Andrew
Nothing about God is explainable in rational terms.
He is inexplicable to you.
Post by Andrew
The nature of God as described by theists is a trap. It traps you with every
contradiction.
You need to find out for yourself.
Post by Andrew
Run away now and play with the other theist idiots.
You have nothing.
If you did have something you would be able to prove your God. You wouldn't need faith.
Can you explain the origin of biological information apart from a Creation?

Every living thing must have it. Where did it come from?

It could only have come from a highly intelligent Source.

So to default to atheism would be incorrect.
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Hey John..Did you ever answer my question as to what is the
origin of biological information?
Every living thing has biological information. All plants and
animals on our planet.
It has no "naturalistic only" origin.
Therefore.. .. ..
Think!
_________________
You still have not answered how your God came to exist.
You would neither understand or accept it. Nevertheless He
absolutely does exist.
Post by Andrew
If you say he is eternal you still have to explain how that's possible.
He is eternal in the context of the creation.
Post by Andrew
Only matter and energy can't be created or destroyed which means
God is matter since energy doesn't exist unless it is an aspect of
some kind of matter.
You would neither understand or accept my answer.
Nevertheless He absolutely does exist.
Post by Andrew
So God would have to be some combination of the 2.
No.
Post by Andrew
It still doesn't explain where God came from.
Yet He is.
Post by Andrew
Nothing about God is explainable in rational terms.
He is inexplicable to you.
Post by Andrew
The nature of God as described by theists is a trap. It traps you with every
contradiction.
You need to find out for yourself.
Post by Andrew
Run away now and play with the other theist idiots.
You have nothing.
If you did have something you would be able to prove your God. You wouldn't need faith.
Can you explain the origin of biological information apart from a Creation?
Every living thing must have it. Where did it come from?
It could only have come from a highly intelligent Source.
So to default to atheism would be incorrect.
Cloud! Wow! You managed to elicit four separate Andrew Evasion Techniques (pat pend)
with one single question!

Very very impressive, I must say. You must have really really unsettled him. My
questions he refuses to deal with generally merit only one, or two at the most.

But you got Andrew to do everything except "LOOK! SQUIRREL!!!"

I am impressed.


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2018-09-06 06:38:27 UTC
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Hey John..Did you ever answer my question as to what is the
origin of biological information?
Every living thing has biological information. All plants and
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It has no "naturalistic only" origin.
Therefore.. .. ..
Think!
_________________
You still have not answered how your God came to exist.
You would neither understand or accept it. Nevertheless He
absolutely does exist.
Post by Andrew
If you say he is eternal you still have to explain how that's possible.
He is eternal in the context of the creation.
Post by Andrew
Only matter and energy can't be created or destroyed which means
God is matter since energy doesn't exist unless it is an aspect of
some kind of matter.
You would neither understand or accept my answer.
Nevertheless He absolutely does exist.
Post by Andrew
So God would have to be some combination of the 2.
No.
Post by Andrew
It still doesn't explain where God came from.
Yet He is.
Post by Andrew
Nothing about God is explainable in rational terms.
He is inexplicable to you.
Post by Andrew
The nature of God as described by theists is a trap. It traps you with
every
contradiction.
You need to find out for yourself.
Post by Andrew
Run away now and play with the other theist idiots.
You have nothing.
If you did have something you would be able to prove your God. You
wouldn't need faith.
Can you explain the origin of biological information apart from a Creation?
Every living thing must have it. Where did it come from?
It could only have come from a highly intelligent Source.
So to default to atheism would be incorrect.
Cloud! Wow! You managed to elicit four separate Andrew Evasion Techniques
(pat pend) with one single question!
Very very impressive, I must say. You must have really really unsettled him.
My questions he refuses to deal with generally merit only one, or two at the
most.
But you got Andrew to do everything except "LOOK! SQUIRREL!!!"
I am impressed.
V
I particularly enjoyed the Cowardly Lion response from Andrew, his first,
third and fifth responses in the above: “I do believe, I do, I do, I do.”

And in his second response he, again, puts limits on his “supreme” god.

And his last: biology is far to complicated for Andrew to understand,
therefore it was created by an even vastly/infinately more complicated god,
who was not created. Andrew has never been able to understand that he puts
himself into an even deeper hole than the one he claims we are in.
--
Harry F. Leopold
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AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness (remove gene to email)

“(B)iological evolution is a team sport.“-Louis Friend
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2018-09-05 23:46:29 UTC
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That would have something to do with context. Some parents teach
their children to respect the law and those who are sworn to uphold
it. Other parents teach disregard and disrespect for the law and
that those who uphold it are the enemy.
The bottom line in this discussion is whether evil could be done if
humans were not given the ability to do evil in the first place. If
humans couldn't do evil until given the ability by some imaginary
deity, then we blame it as the cause of evil amongst humans.
If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be humans able to love
God. They would be robots.
And yet, you believe god has already predetermined which
humans will love him and which ones won't. So there's no
role for human "free will" in that.
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See: "The Freedom of the Will", by Jonathan Edwards.
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
Do your average human parents have perfect foreknowledge
of every single thing that "kid" will do -- every single act, ever --
before they set to conceiving that child?

If so, then the answer would be "yes", they are entirely responsible.


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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
Do your average human parents have perfect foreknowledge
of every single thing that "kid" will do -- every single act, ever --
before they set to conceiving that child?
If so, then the answer would be "yes", they are entirely responsible.
"If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be
humans able to love God. They would be robots."
~ "Bob"

This has to do with the fact that God is love.
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Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
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Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
Do your average human parents have perfect foreknowledge
of every single thing that "kid" will do -- every single act, ever --
before they set to conceiving that child?
If so, then the answer would be "yes", they are entirely responsible.
"If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be
humans able to love God. They would be robots."
~ "Bob"
This has to do with the fact that God is love.
And nothing to do with the fact that I just gave you an answer to
your question about the conditions under which human parents
could be held responsible for their offspring's misdeeds.


You don't appear to be interested in discussing that further.



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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
Do your average human parents have perfect foreknowledge
of every single thing that "kid" will do -- every single act, ever --
before they set to conceiving that child?
If so, then the answer would be "yes", they are entirely responsible.
"If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be
humans able to love God. They would be robots."
~ "Bob"
This has to do with the fact that God is love.
How can something you can't even prove exists be anything? This is the one barrier myth-soaked fools like you can never get past. Without that proof,
everything you say about your fictional god gets you nowhere. Religious
faith is not an acceptable answer. It's only each religion believer's
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
Do your average human parents have perfect foreknowledge
of every single thing that "kid" will do -- every single act, ever --
before they set to conceiving that child?
If so, then the answer would be "yes", they are entirely responsible.
"If they couldn't disobey God, then they wouldn't be
humans able to love God. They would be robots."
~ "Bob"
This has to do with the fact that God is love.
Does your god love liars, particularly ones that lie to oppose non-believers? That lie repeatedly?

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Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
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of every single thing that "kid" will do -- every single act, ever --
before they set to conceiving that child?
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This has to do with the fact that God is love.
Does your god love liars, particularly ones that lie to oppose non-believers? That lie repeatedly?
Well, you know what Haldane said about beetles...



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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
Is it right to blame parents for crimes their kids commit?
In some cases, yes. In most, no. It depends on the circumstances.
Not every case is the same.
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
Most assuredly YES !
Especially if you had complete control and knowledge of everything.
The religious fail to see that. Their all-powerful gods have a little
problem: devils. Somehow (no one knows how exactly) their all
powerful god cannot smite the devil. HE has a pretty good track
record for smiting all manner of men for things the devil causes them
to do, but when it comes to the debble himself? not so much...

And isn't it just like Billy (media whore) Donohue, to blame the devil
for pedophile priests? The premise that priests are next to god in
the pecking order on earth must never be sullied with scandal.

So we need a scapegoat, the choices are: the victims seduce the
priests and cause them to sin, homosexuality and a need to rid the
church of homos in the priesthood, a very few bad apples, the
allegations are false, it happened decades ago; why are we still
talking about it, the promise of compensation causes people to lie
about it, and now we have the devil did it.

Why bother with "confession?" You have a excuse. Blame your sins on
the devil, an all forgiving, all merciful, all just, god will never
blame you for things the devil causes you to do.

Theology according to bob.
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Because if I create a creature which does evil am I not to blame?
No one really wants to do evil. The ones who did do evil have only done
evil by believing evil to be good. Therefore, God never created anyone
to do evil. This is why no one is born evil. You can never blame God for
the evil of man.
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Andrew, you lying troll.

You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
your mythology (known as theology) and is not a believer in it.

There's this thing called, "arguing in the alternative,"
where you, for the sake of argument, grant your opponent's
premise, then still rip it to shreds based on its internal
inconsistencies and contradictions. it is especially easy to
do to those who believe their ancient scriptures are historically
accurate, to be taken literally, and inerrant.

The `wolf, and other posters here, subject you and those like
you to drubbings with your own testaments on a regular basis.
You are so brainwashed that the logic never penetrates your
adamantine skull. Though, if said skull was broken, as Niu Nian
claimed about his, you may not be capable of changing your mind,
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There's this thing called, "arguing in the alternative,"
where you, for the sake of argument, grant your opponent's
premise, ....
But that's not being done.

From what he (greyhound) said the last time he was here, and
I'm assuming this is nothing but a continuation of that, he is
not taking our beliefs as a starting point. He is starting with
his own warped beliefs and twisted opinions.
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There's this thing called, "arguing in the alternative,"
where you, for the sake of argument, grant your opponent's
premise, ....
But that's not being done.
From what he (greyhound) said the last time he was here, and
I'm assuming this is nothing but a continuation of that, he is
not taking our beliefs as a starting point. He is starting with
his own warped beliefs and twisted opinions.
It's "if your scriptures are to be taken seriously, then..."
and he reads them and interprets them for himself, which is what
Reformed and Protestant Christians claimed they had the right to
do, back when the RCC limited access to the scriptures to people
who it had educated and could read the Latin Vulgate. The testaments
were only allowed one official interpretation. Freelancing could
be fatal.

He's got eyeballs and a brain, and he's pointing out contradictions.
Seems fair to me. It's similar to reviewing a fantasy novel with an
"idiot plot." For example, "if everyone bitten by a vampire is turned,
won't the vamps run out of food someday?"

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There's this thing called, "arguing in the alternative,"
where you, for the sake of argument, grant your opponent's
premise, ....
But that's not being done.
From what he (greyhound) said the last time he was here, and
I'm assuming this is nothing but a continuation of that, he is
not taking our beliefs as a starting point. He is starting with
his own warped beliefs and twisted opinions.
It's "if your scriptures are to be taken seriously, then..."
and he reads them and interprets them for himself, which is what
Reformed and Protestant Christians claimed they had the right to
do, back when the RCC limited access to the scriptures to people
who it had educated and could read the Latin Vulgate. The testaments
were only allowed one official interpretation. Freelancing could
be fatal.
He's got eyeballs and a brain, and he's pointing out contradictions.
Seems fair to me. It's similar to reviewing a fantasy novel with an
"idiot plot." For example, "if everyone bitten by a vampire is turned,
won't the vamps run out of food someday?"
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premise, ....
But that's not being done.
From what he (greyhound) said the last time he was here, and
I'm assuming this is nothing but a continuation of that, he is
not taking our beliefs as a starting point. He is starting with
his own warped beliefs and twisted opinions.
It's "if your scriptures are to be taken seriously, then..."
and he reads them and interprets them for himself, which is what
Reformed and Protestant Christians
The "many".
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claimed they had the right to
do, back when the RCC limited access to the scriptures to people
who it had educated and could read the Latin Vulgate. The testaments
were only allowed one official interpretation. Freelancing could
be fatal.
He's got eyeballs and a brain, and he's pointing out contradictions.
He's pointing out what he, the "one", with an unregenerate nature,
believes are contradictions, and then refuses to hear the explanations
of why they are not contradictions.

That is *NOT* "arguing in the alternative".

Evil is merely the absence of good. And the word "evil" is, at it's
root, an adjective used to describe a noun, not a noun in and of itself.

That is the Christian premise.

If you want to "argue in the alternative", start from there.
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
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Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator; the holy, Blessed One.
You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
your mythology (known as theology) and is not a believer in it.
Why do that in an atheist group? He would get more interaction on
his constant obsession in a theist group. Either way, his foolishness
is exposed to all see his silly rants.
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You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
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Why do that in an atheist group?
Why are you here in an atheist group?

Answer that, and you will have answered your own question.



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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
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Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator; the holy, Blessed One.
You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
your mythology (known as theology) and is not a believer in it.
Why do that in an atheist group?
Why are you here in an atheist group?
Not to make complaints about our Creator. This is his obsession.
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
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Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator; the holy, Blessed One.
You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
your mythology (known as theology) and is not a believer in it.
Why do that in an atheist group?
Why are you here in an atheist group?
Not to make complaints about our Creator. This is his obsession.
You asked why Greywolf doesn't go seeking theists to bash in other groups.

Why bother when they offer themselves to be bashed right here in the
convenience of his own group?

To put it politely.

Of course you understood my answer the first time.

You just don't care to deal with it.

That seems to happen a lot, doesn't it?


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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator; the holy, Blessed One.
You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
your mythology (known as theology) and is not a believer in it.
Why do that in an atheist group?
Why are you here in an atheist group?
Not to make complaints about our Creator. This is his obsession.
You asked why Greywolf doesn't go seeking theists to bash in other groups.
He's mostly trying to bash God. Instead he's making a fool out of himself.
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator; the holy, Blessed One.
You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
your mythology (known as theology) and is not a believer in it.
Why do that in an atheist group?
Why are you here in an atheist group?
Not to make complaints about our Creator. This is his obsession.
You asked why Greywolf doesn't go seeking theists to bash in other groups.
He's mostly trying to bash God. Instead he's making a fool out of himself.
1) You asked.

2) I answered.

3) You snipped.


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You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
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Why do that in an atheist group?
Why are you here in an atheist group?
Not to make complaints about our Creator. This is his obsession.
You asked why Greywolf doesn't go seeking theists to bash in other groups.
He's mostly trying to bash God. Instead he's making a fool out of himself.
<sigh> Undoing the vandalism:

+ You asked why Greywolf doesn't go seeking theists to bash in other groups.

+ Why bother when they offer themselves to be bashed right here in the
+ convenience of his own group?

+ To put it politely.

+ Of course you understood my answer the first time.

+ You just don't care to deal with it.

+ That seems to happen a lot, doesn't it?

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You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
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Why do that in an atheist group?
Why are you here in an atheist group?
Not to make complaints about our Creator. This is his obsession.
...you mean YOUR Creator. It's your delusion, not ours.
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You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
your mythology (known as theology) and is not a believer in it.
Why do that in an atheist group?
Why are you here in an atheist group?
Not to make complaints about our Creator. This is his obsession.
...you mean YOUR Creator.
Yes "my" Creator. The awesome One.
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It's your delusion, not ours.
His obsession..

"I maintain that John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, and Revelation 4:11 all point to the God Jesus creating
EVERYTHING in existence. John 1:3 even goes so goes so far as to claim that there's NOTHING
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You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
your mythology (known as theology) and is not a believer in it.
Why do that in an atheist group?
Why are you here in an atheist group?
Not to make complaints about our Creator. This is his obsession.
...you mean YOUR Creator.
Yes "my" Creator. The awesome One.
..yeah, that's what I thought..it's all in your mind. Seek help.
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It's your delusion, not ours.
His obsession..
"I maintain that John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, and Revelation 4:11 all point to the God Jesus creating
EVERYTHING in existence. John 1:3 even goes so goes so far as to claim that there's NOTHING
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You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
your mythology (known as theology) and is not a believer in it.
Why do that in an atheist group? He would get more interaction on
his constant obsession in a theist group. Either way, his foolishness
is exposed to all see his silly rants.
If and when trolls like you stop proselytizing here,
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You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
your mythology (known as theology) and is not a believer in it.
Why do that in an atheist group? He would get more interaction on
his constant obsession in a theist group. Either way, his foolishness
is exposed to all see his silly rants.
If and when trolls like you stop proselytizing here,
not Greywolf nor any other poster need rebutting such
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Just tell him his posts are off-charter. Then ask him to kindly go
somewhere else and not disturb our atheist friends here, because
they are not interested in his rants and obsessions about the most
high God, whom he says, "created all things".

Until that happens, it is important that our theist friends stay here
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You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against
your mythology (known as theology) and is not a believer in it.
Why do that in an atheist group? He would get more interaction on
his constant obsession in a theist group. Either way, his foolishness
is exposed to all see his silly rants.
If and when trolls like you stop proselytizing here,
not Greywolf nor any other poster need rebutting such
ridiculous, off-charter posts.
Just tell him his posts are off-charter. Then ask him to kindly go
somewhere else and not disturb our atheist friends here, because
they are not interested in his rants and obsessions about the most
high God, whom he says, "created all things".
LOL. You want atheists to ask an atheist to stop
advocating for atheism in an atheist newsgroup. Don't
you think you're being silly?

And how many times have you been asked to take your
god-bothering, jesus-jazzing circus tent crusade
elsewhere? And how far has that request got?

"Oh," you say, "but he's disparaging and ridiculing Our
Most Awesome Creator!!!" So, your omnipotent MAC can't
take care of himself?
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Until that happens, it is important that our theist friends stay here
to help answer his foolish absurdities.
Why are you so worked into a frenzy about Grey?

Why can't you accept the obvious, which is that the bible
is filled with contradictions? Admit it, and carry on
gracefully in light of that.
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One.
You know that Grey uses your own scriptures as proofs against your
mythology (known as theology) and is not a believer in it.
Why do that in an atheist group? He would get more interaction on
his constant obsession in a theist group. Either way, his
foolishness is exposed to all see his silly rants.
If and when trolls like you stop proselytizing here, not Greywolf nor
any other poster need rebutting such ridiculous, off-charter posts.
Just tell him his posts are off-charter. Then ask him to kindly go
somewhere else and not disturb our atheist friends here, because they
are not interested in his rants and obsessions about the most high God,
whom he says, "created all things".
LOL. You want atheists to ask an atheist to stop advocating for atheism
in an atheist newsgroup. Don't you think you're being silly?
Androol THINK!?!?!? He doesn't have that capability.
And how many times have you been asked to take your god-bothering,
jesus-jazzing circus tent crusade elsewhere? And how far has that
request got?
"Oh," you say, "but he's disparaging and ridiculing Our Most Awesome
Creator!!!" So, your omnipotent MAC can't take care of himself?
Of course not. The 'all powerful' figment of his imagination needs morons
like Androol to defend it.
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Until that happens, it is important that our theist friends stay here
to help answer his foolish absurdities.
Why are you so worked into a frenzy about Grey?
Why can't you accept the obvious, which is that the bible is filled with
contradictions? Admit it, and carry on gracefully in light of that.
His whole crazy world would come tumbling down.
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More of your deliberate misreading of GW's points.
He's responding to off-charter proselytizing by
aaa, you and other trolls.
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because they are not interested in his rants and obsessions about
the most high God,
How does Yahooey get that high? Does he have special "ghod-grade"
dope he takes? If he's "the most high ghod," are there some "not
quite as high" ghodlets?
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whom he says, "created all things".
He says that's what your holy books say, and takes that to its
logical consequences.
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Until that happens, it is important that our theist friends stay here
to help answer his foolish absurdities.
They should all f-off if they are proselytizing or
defending those who do that, like you.

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2018-09-06 00:31:28 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator; the holy, Blessed One.
Aside from the fact that your god doesn't exist and never has
(You have never proved otherwise). Many Christians do blame the
devil when they do bad things. When people do bad things there
are many reasons why they do - the way they were raised, simple
greed, a brain injury, mental illness and more.

Anyway, if your god did exist, all the good or bad things people
do would be his fault. Since your god supposedly created the
Universe and everything in it, and this god created the people
in it to be as it wants them to be, he deliberately created
some people to be good, some bad, some in-between. It knows the
past, present and future and is supposed to be perfect. So, your
god knows what everyone will do because it created them to be that
way. So, no free will. And, your god critter is an evil monster
for making people suffer, live, die, murder, be murdered, steal,
be stolen from, own slaves, be slaves, torture, be tortured. The
full responsibility for it all lands right on whatever your god
uses as a head.

Sounds anything but perfect to me. Your god sounds more like a
thoroughly spoiled child with the A-Z Erector Set and Chemistry/
Biology Set for Rotten Rich Kids.
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2018-09-06 00:32:32 UTC
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J is the kind of Christian who blames everything bad done by anyone
on the devil..
Whereas "Greywolf" is the kind of atheist who blames everything bad
done by anyone on our most awesome Creator; the holy, Blessed One.
Aside from the fact that your god doesn't exist and never has
(You have never proved otherwise). Many Christians do blame the
devil when they do bad things. When people do bad things there
are many reasons why they do - the way they were raised, simple
greed, a brain injury, mental illness and more.
Anyway, if your god did exist, all the good or bad things people
do would be his fault. Since your god supposedly created the
Universe and everything in it, and this god created the people
in it to be as it wants them to be, he deliberately created
some people to be good, some bad, some in-between. It knows the
past, present and future and is supposed to be perfect. So, your
god knows what everyone will do because it created them to be that
way. So, no free will. And, your god critter is an evil monster
for making people suffer, live, die, murder, be murdered, steal,
be stolen from, own slaves, be slaves, torture, be tortured. The
full responsibility for it all lands right on whatever your god
uses as a head.
Sounds anything but perfect to me. Your god sounds more like a
thoroughly spoiled child with the A-Z Erector Set and Chemistry/
Biology Set for Rotten Rich Kids.
that sounds just like you
Davej
2018-09-04 00:57:46 UTC
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Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the devil’s
Bill Donohue is Satan.
_V_infernalis_
2018-09-04 01:39:27 UTC
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Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the devil’s
Bill Donohue is Satan.
Hey, he merited an entry in one of my favorite encyclopedias!

== http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2010/11/109-bill-william-donohue.html


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Christopher A. Lee
2018-09-04 12:17:30 UTC
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Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the devil’s
WHAT FUCKING DEVIL was the in-your-face, seriously mentally ill retard
who is playing psychopathic games, bullshitting about in an atheist
group?
Post by Davej
Bill Donohue is Satan.
Religion brings out many serious character flaws including
psychopathy, narcissism and sociopathy because the barriers it erects
around the mind to block out reality, also block out empathy,
understanding and consideration for those outside their religion.

Face it, he knows atheists aren't going to take that nonsense
seriously for the same reason he doesn't the good and bad gods of all
the other religion.

But this is buried. At the surface level he is driven by hatred for us
on behalf of his god and his psychopathy, narcissism and sociopathy
take over.

Even though he and similarly behaving believers claim that their
reeligion makes them better than that - which also gets buried.
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2018-09-04 14:07:55 UTC
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Religion brings out many serious character flaws, including
psychopathy, narcissism and sociopathy, because the barriers it erects
around the mind, blocks out reality and also empathy,
understanding and consideration for those outside the religion.
Excellent !
Cloud Hobbit
2018-09-04 02:00:27 UTC
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IOW Donohue wants to shift the blame and disassociate it from the fact that the church covered up for theses pedophiles and blame the nonexistent devil.

Didn't I tell you Donohue was a piece of shit?

Do you need more evidence?
Kevrob
2018-09-04 15:29:03 UTC
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IOW Donohue wants to shift the blame and disassociate it from the fact that the church covered up for theses pedophiles and blame the nonexistent devil.
Didn't I tell you Donohue was a piece of shit?
Do you need more evidence?
His church doesn't allow "the devil made me do it" as an
excuse for what they call sin, and I'd call crime.

Why should we?

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