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Jahnu
2017-05-11 21:55:49 UTC
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There is no the truth.
Is that the truth you believe in? :D

Atheists always moan and whine about proof and evidence. They seem to
forget that their own belief system, abiogenesis - ie. the funny idea
that matter creates life - is completely unfounded, blind belief. Why
don't atheists demand proof of that?

But this is the double-standard one is forced to accept as an atheist.
Stone-hard and cold facts are required to give credibility to the
opposition, but when it comes to one's own beliefs the same demands
are suddenly not required.

Anyhow, atheists always go on and on about scientific proof and
evidence. So then I offer the scientific proof - that if you maintain
an atheistic mentality, you will experience a lot more suffering and
frustration than if you accept to connect with Krishna. That is a test
anyone can perform and verify - Krishna conciousness brings greater
happiness in life and atheism brings greater misery and suffering in
life.

What people in general don't understand is that life in the material
world is basically one of suffering and frustration. It is so, because
Krishna has made it that way. The reason Krishna has designed it that
way, is because if things were perfect in the material world, the
fallen, lost souls would not want to go back to the spiritual world
and enjoy with Krishna. They would want to stay in the material world
and enjoy the body. Actually, this is what most people want, anyway -
stay in the material world and enjoy their senses. Krishna is even so
kind that a soul in the body of a worm in stool, thinks he is
enjoying. Even the souls living under the most hellish conditions
think they are enjoying. Apart from that, there are the heavenly
planets where the demigods enjoy bodily gratification to the max.
Anyone can go there by being pious, following the process devised by
God.

So the human form of life is a chance for the soul to get rid of all
suffering. A clever person will ask the question, why do I suffer? and
try to get rid of it. The human form of life is a chance for the soul
to get rid of all suffering. Atheism bars the human being from this
opportunity. Atheism just conditions the soul to more suffering.

Krishna says: From the highest planet in the material world down to
the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death
take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of KuntI, never
takes birth again. (Bg. 8.16)

Humility; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity;
approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness; steadiness;
self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification;
absence of false ego; the perception of the evil of birth, death, old
age and disease; detachment; freedom from entanglement with children,
wife, home and the rest; even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant
events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me; aspiring to live in a
solitary place; detachment from the general mass of people; accepting
the importance of self-realization; and philosophical search for the
Absolute Truth—all these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this
whatever there may be is ignorance. (Bg.13. 8-12)

Note, that the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and
disease is one of the symptoms of knowledge. Most people are
intelligent enough to understand they are suffering. Only animals
don't understand they are suffering. In the human form of life the
soul is given sufficient intelligence by nature to understand he is
suffering. Whether he will admit it here, is another matter.

So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.

Krishna says:

O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.

--Srimad Bhagavatam 11.14.12


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Jeanne Douglas
2017-05-12 05:55:33 UTC
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There is no the truth.
Is that the truth you believe in? :D
Atheists always moan and whine about proof and evidence. They seem to
forget that their own belief system, abiogenesis
What does abiogenesis have to do with atheism?
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2017-05-12 12:42:01 UTC
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There is no the truth.
Is that the truth you believe in? :D
Atheists always moan and whine about proof and evidence.
Imagine that. How dare we demand evidence! We should just believe what
some wrinkled-up toad in a clown robe tells us, like you do, you
gullible twat.

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you, Jesper?
Christopher A. Lee
2017-05-12 14:52:31 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
There is no the truth.
Is that the truth you believe in? :D
Atheists always moan and whine about proof and evidence.
Imagine that. How dare we demand evidence! We should just believe what
some wrinkled-up toad in a clown robe tells us, like you do, you
gullible twat.
The proven serial liar knows perfectly well it is all about "put up or
shut up".
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Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you, Jesper?
He's insane. Normal people don't behave the way he does, to complete
strangers.
Malte Runz
2017-05-12 18:30:02 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
There is no the truth.
Is that the truth you believe in? :D
Atheists always moan and whine about proof and evidence.
Imagine that. How dare we demand evidence! We should just believe what
some wrinkled-up toad in a clown robe tells us, like you do, you
gullible twat.
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you, Jesper?
Nothing a kill filter won't fix.
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Jahnu
2017-05-13 00:23:49 UTC
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Nothing a kill filter won't fix.
See, that's the thing - these guys simply love to bitch and moan
non-stop, hehe :)

And I smack them down every time with sheer facts,

Here is what science has to say about the intellectually devolved idea
that the universe popped into existence on its own without intelligent
direction, from a bunch of chemicals, just like that - poof...



"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only
proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful
Being." - Isaac Newton


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2017-05-13 02:27:08 UTC
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Nothing a kill filter won't fix.
See, that's the thing - these guys simply love to bitch and moan
non-stop, hehe :)
And I smack them down every time with sheer facts
Which "facts" are those, asshole? Planetary Constellations? Galileo
burned at the stake for teaching the Earth is round? Steve Jobs and
Bill Gates inventing the computer? Pull the other one, you delusional
idiot.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-05-13 10:43:28 UTC
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Nothing a kill filter won't fix.
See, that's the thing - these guys simply love to bitch and moan
non-stop, hehe :)
And I smack them down every time with sheer facts
Which "facts" are those, asshole? Planetary Constellations?
Still my favorite.
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2017-05-13 17:19:33 UTC
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On Fri, 12 May 2017 20:30:02 +0200, Malte Runz
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Nothing a kill filter won't fix.
See, that's the thing - these guys simply love to bitch and moan
non-stop, hehe :)
And I smack them down every time with sheer facts
Jesper, you wouldn't know a fact if it was rammed up your ass with a
pitchfork. Sideways.
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Which "facts" are those, asshole? Planetary Constellations? Galileo
burned at the stake for teaching the Earth is round? Steve Jobs and
Bill Gates inventing the computer? Pull the other one, you delusional
idiot.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-05-14 05:36:40 UTC
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On Fri, 12 May 2017 22:27:08 -0400, raven1
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On Fri, 12 May 2017 20:30:02 +0200, Malte Runz
Post by Malte Runz
Nothing a kill filter won't fix.
See, that's the thing - these guys simply love to bitch and moan
non-stop, hehe :)
And I smack them down every time with sheer facts
Jesper, you wouldn't know a fact if it was rammed up your ass with a
pitchfork. Sideways.
Ah, that brings back Mom's favorite--"Up yours with a meathook".

No clue where she found it, but it appeared as she aged. Might it have been a possible early sign of her Alzheimer's.
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Which "facts" are those, asshole? Planetary Constellations? Galileo
burned at the stake for teaching the Earth is round? Steve Jobs and
Bill Gates inventing the computer? Pull the other one, you delusional
idiot.
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Jahnu
2017-05-14 21:21:03 UTC
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I have never could make sense of the idea of the Church about the
resurrection of the dead. It's obvious it's not a bunch of rotten
corpses who resurrect and follow Christ up to heaven. So which type of
body does one resurrect in? Is it the body that one dies in?

If one dies in as an infant or an old man or woman, is that the body
one will inhabit forever at resurrection? A rather scary thought. Then
I think the Vedic explanation makes more sense. One's physical body is
just one out of billions one has had in different life-forms. At
salvation or liberation one gets one's spiritual body back and returns
to Krishna on the eternal plane.

The Church tells us, that one goes to heaven and spends eternity there
with his friends and family. But that is not such an attractive idea.
I mean, who wants to spend eternity with his earthly family? What if
one's wife was a bitch or one was abused as a child? Are those the
ones you want to spend eternity with? I don't see how this is
attractive. When I look at the happy nucleus family on the cover of
the Watch Tower, I think, gee, it must be boring there.

And what's God doing in the Christian Heaven? They don't tell us. It
must be extremely boring to be God in Christianity - to sit on a cloud
surrounded by harp-playing angles; or to be a baker in the greates
bakery in the universe so He can deliver bread to everyone; or sit and
listen to people whine and moan in their prayers? Is that how it is?
Or, as the Lutherans believe - Jesus is God who became flesh to suffer
for all the sinds I do... what's so cool about that?

And what does God do in His spare-time when He is not bored by a bunch
of Angles, or when He is not hanging, suffering and bleeding, nailed
to a pole? What does God do then? The Church doesn't tell us about
these things. That's one reason I find the Vedic Version so
fascinating. Here Gods name, form, qualities and pastimes are
described in detail.

That Krishna is God, is just a secondary thing. The God-business is
carried out by His expansions like Vishnu and Narayan. Krishna Himself
is absorbed in enjoying and playing with His friends and girl-friends
in Vrindavan.

I think it was Nietsche who said that he could believe in a God who
dances. Funny enough, one name of Krishna is Nataraja - the greatest
of dancers.

And to try to love Krishna, delivers the highest form of pleasure and
enjoyment. It's a fact anyone, who practices the process, can
experience. It has nothing to do with belief. Anyone who seriously
tries to add Krishna to his life, will immediately experience how his
or her suffering will diminish and his joy will expand. It is a
demonstrable fact

Krishna says:

I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything
emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My
devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts. (Bg 10.8)

The thoughts of My pure devotees dwell in Me, their lives are fully
devoted to My service, and they derive great satisfaction and bliss
from always enlightening one another and conversing about Me. (Bg
10.9)

To those who are constantly devoted to serving Me with love, I give
the understanding by which they can come to Me. (Bg 10.10)

To show them special mercy, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with
the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance.
(Bhagavad Gita 10.11)


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raven1
2017-05-14 21:57:04 UTC
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I have never could make sense of the idea of the Church about the
resurrection of the dead.
It is neither more nor less ridiculous than the idea of reincarnation.
Jahnu
2017-05-15 04:49:14 UTC
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It is neither more nor less ridiculous than the idea of reincarnation.
Reincarnation has been empirically proven, Birdbrain. Try and evolve
and get with the program, dumbass. You're no better than a dumb
animal. Do you now realize how atheism has damaged your mind?

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a remote bearing on consciousness, yet all of us know there is such a
thing simply because we have it ourselves. Hence consciousness must be
part of nature or more generally reality. Which means that quite apart
from the laws laid down in quantum theory, we must also consider laws
of quite a different kind”. --Nobel prize winner Niels Bohr


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raven1
2017-05-15 13:36:24 UTC
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It is neither more nor less ridiculous than the idea of reincarnation.
Reincarnation has been empirically proven, Birdbrain.
Baloney. In what peer-reviewed journal did this "proof" appear, and
when was it published? Citation or retraction, dumbass.
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2017-05-15 15:22:32 UTC
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It is neither more nor less ridiculous than the idea of reincarnation.
Reincarnation has been empirically proven, Birdbrain.
Just because some in-your-face religious loonie living in his own
little fantasy world, sez so?
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Baloney. In what peer-reviewed journal did this "proof" appear, and
when was it published? Citation or retraction, dumbass.
The lying liar just can't stop lying.
Jahnu
2017-05-17 03:56:24 UTC
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http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentrism/201112/does-the-soul-exist-evidence-says-yes


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2017-05-17 13:27:39 UTC
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http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentrism/201112/does-the-soul-exist-evidence-says-yes
Nope. That's not a peer-reviewed journal, and the article has nothing
to do with reincarnation. You're an idiot.

Now let's try again. You claim that reincarnation has been empirically
proven. In what peer-reviewed journal did this "proof" appear? Put up
or shut up, you pathological liar.
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2017-05-17 13:53:05 UTC
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http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentrism/201112/does-the-soul-exist-evidence-says-yes
Nope. That's not a peer-reviewed journal, and the article has nothing
to do with reincarnation. You're an idiot.
Now let's try again. You claim that reincarnation has been empirically
proven. In what peer-reviewed journal did this "proof" appear? Put up
or shut up, you pathological liar.
So everything you believe has appeared in a 'peer-reviewed journal'?

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2017-05-18 02:57:47 UTC
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2017-05-18 12:07:07 UTC
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http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/harvard-neurosurgeon-confirms-the-afterlife-exists/
That web site is defunct.

Even a brainy neurosurgeon cannot "confirm" that there is an
afterlife. To "confirm" it others have to be able to experience what
he claims... He is merely offering his own opinion, and we don't know
what drugs he was taking....
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2017-05-18 13:14:44 UTC
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http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/harvard-neurosurgeon-confirms-the-afterlife-exists/
Non-existent website. Nice try, dumbass. Last chance: you claim that
reincarnation has been empirically proven. In what peer-reviewed
journal did this "proof" appear? Failure to answer this time will be
taken as an admission that you're lying, as usual.
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2017-05-19 03:40:13 UTC
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2017-05-19 12:50:45 UTC
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http://ageac.org/en/multimedia/scientist-says-he-found-definitive-proof-that-god-exists-2/
And that links to a page full of random characters. You're an idiot,
and your tacit admission that you have nothing to present is duly
noted.
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2017-05-20 17:39:27 UTC
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Nope, you had your chance. Fuck off.
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2017-05-21 01:53:28 UTC
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2017-05-21 01:59:17 UTC
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No one is interested. You've killed this particular thread: move on,
Jesper.
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2017-05-21 20:49:24 UTC
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http://youtu.be/gDirubjWFk4
No one is interested. You've killed this particular thread: move on,
Jesper.
He's a troll. Case closed long ago.

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2017-05-22 04:47:37 UTC
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2017-05-22 15:54:59 UTC
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ROTFLMFAO!

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2017-05-23 01:26:34 UTC
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2017-05-23 02:40:11 UTC
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https://in.news.yahoo.com/scientifically-validated-now-ganga-water-holy-060417938.html
Already refuted to death, although not as dead as the hundreds of
thousands of Indian people the pollution of the Ganges kills every
year. Shame on you and the wrinkled-up toads that lead your cult for
denying that, you sick fuckwad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_of_the_Ganges

Read the article and then tell me how theism has made YOU stupid, you
fuckwad.
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2017-05-19 18:31:49 UTC
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http://www.spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com/harvard-neurosurgeon-confirms-the-afterlife-exists/
Non-existent website. Nice try, dumbass. Last chance: you claim that
reincarnation has been empirically proven. In what peer-reviewed
journal did this "proof" appear? Failure to answer this time will be
taken as an admission that you're lying, as usual.
This nutbar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Alexander_(author)#Criticism_and_reaction

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2017-05-15 21:20:11 UTC
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It is neither more nor less ridiculous than the idea of reincarnation.
Reincarnation has been empirically proven, Birdbrain.
Bullshit. No such proof exists.


Try and evolve
Post by Jahnu
and get with the program, dumbass. You're no better than a dumb
animal. Do you now realize how atheism has damaged your mind?
You're the dumbass claiming that reincarnation has been proven, dumbass. You know that is a lie.
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"We can admittedly find nothing in physics or chemistry which has even
a remote bearing on consciousness, yet all of us know there is such a
thing simply because we have it ourselves. Hence consciousness must be
part of nature or more generally reality. Which means that quite apart
from the laws laid down in quantum theory, we must also consider laws
of quite a different kind”. --Nobel prize winner Niels Bohr
Nothing in there about any supernatural blue fuckers.
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2017-05-16 02:25:58 UTC
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It is neither more nor less ridiculous than the idea of reincarnation.
Reincarnation has been empirically proven, Birdbrain.
Where? Please provide links to the peer-reviewed journal articles that hold this alleged proof.
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2017-05-15 03:08:34 UTC
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The Church tells us, that one goes to heaven and spends eternity there
with his friends and family. But that is not such an attractive idea.
If it is not an attractive idea to spend time with one's friends & family,
one can always forsake them on Earth and join a brainwashing cult.
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2017-05-15 21:05:21 UTC
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On Fri, 12 May 2017 20:30:02 +0200, Malte Runz
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Nothing a kill filter won't fix.
See, that's the thing - these guys simply love to bitch and moan
non-stop, hehe :)
And I smack them down every time with sheer facts,
When will that start?
You have never presented a fact ever that I can recall. Usually, when YOU get slapped with facts you swear a lot and run away.
Post by Jahnu
Here is what science has to say about the intellectually devolved idea
that the universe popped into existence on its own without intelligent
direction, from a bunch of chemicals, just like that - poof...
"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only
proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful
Being." - Isaac Newton
Issac Newton was how long ago? 300 years? You don't suppose we might have learned some things since then you ignorant moron?
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2017-05-12 14:55:11 UTC
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There is no the truth.
Is that the truth you believe in? :D
I believe theists don't know the meaning of the word truth - they
invented biblical and religious "truth," as a work-around, just like
Donald Trump has "alternative facts."

religious truth: anything but truthful
alternative facts: anything but factual
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2017-05-12 15:47:43 UTC
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There is no the truth.
Is that the truth you believe in? :D
I believe theists don't know the meaning of the word truth - they
invented biblical and religious "truth," as a work-around, just like
Donald Trump has "alternative facts."
religious truth: anything but truthful
alternative facts: anything but factual
[quote from Jesper]

...their own belief system, abiogenesis - ie. the funny
idea that matter creates life - is completely unfounded

[/quote]

"Create" is a loaded word. It assumes a consciousness behind
an action. I, an atheist, don't consider any part of the natural
world to be "created." Humans create things, out of already
existing stuff, and they come up with ideas, which can be considered
creations. But matter and energy, theorized to be the result of
the Big Bang are not "created" by anybody. That is anthropomorphizing
the universe. It leads to the ultra-stupid "argument," usually
expressed as "How can their be a Creation with no Creator?"
It is just assuming the conclusion as a premise.

Quantum physics tells us that stuff - matter - _does_ "pop into
existence." See this popular explanation of emergent "virtual
particles."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-virtual-particles-rea/

Further, we have no idea what the physical laws were in whatever
version of the universe preceded the Big Bang. Matter and energy
may owe their existence to the forces at play behind that barrier.

Note: I am not a scientist, and especially not a physicist, just
a layman who finds this stuff fascinating. I welcome correction
by those with the proper education to do so accurately.

BTW, one could be an atheist and not agree with the Big Bang, as in
the case of those who plumped for a "steady state" view of cosmology.
Being an atheist does correlate with accepting physical evidence
that has been properly vetted and allowing one's mind to be changed by
new theoretical structures. If abiogenesis is debunked by actual
scientific inquiry, then so be it.

Kevin R
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2017-05-12 16:52:59 UTC
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There is no the truth.
Is that the truth you believe in? :D
I believe theists don't know the meaning of the word truth - they
invented biblical and religious "truth," as a work-around, just like
Donald Trump has "alternative facts."
religious truth: anything but truthful
alternative facts: anything but factual
[quote from Jesper]
...their own belief system, abiogenesis - ie. the funny
idea that matter creates life - is completely unfounded
[/quote]
"Create" is a loaded word. It assumes a consciousness behind
an action. I, an atheist, don't consider any part of the natural
world to be "created."
To adapt a famous subjectivist question: If a tree falls in the forest is a sound created?
Post by Kevrob
Humans create things, out of already
existing stuff, and they come up with ideas, which can be considered
creations. But matter and energy, theorized to be the result of
the Big Bang are not "created" by anybody. That is anthropomorphizing
the universe. It leads to the ultra-stupid "argument," usually
expressed as "How can their be a Creation with no Creator?"
It is just assuming the conclusion as a premise.
Quantum physics tells us that stuff - matter - _does_ "pop into
existence." See this popular explanation of emergent "virtual
particles."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-virtual-particles-rea/
Further, we have no idea what the physical laws were in whatever
version of the universe preceded the Big Bang. Matter and energy
may owe their existence to the forces at play behind that barrier.
Note: I am not a scientist, and especially not a physicist, just
a layman who finds this stuff fascinating. I welcome correction
by those with the proper education to do so accurately.
BTW, one could be an atheist and not agree with the Big Bang, as in
the case of those who plumped for a "steady state" view of cosmology.
Being an atheist does correlate with accepting physical evidence
that has been properly vetted and allowing one's mind to be changed by
new theoretical structures. If abiogenesis is debunked by actual
scientific inquiry, then so be it.
Kevin R
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2017-05-12 20:47:50 UTC
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To adapt a famous subjectivist question: If a tree falls in the forest is a sound created?
Vibrations occur. Atmosphere carries them. Sound can be
said to exist in the mind of the hearer.

Kevin R

Sophists `r Us!
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2017-05-13 13:07:41 UTC
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To adapt a famous subjectivist question: If a tree falls in the forest is a sound created?
Vibrations occur.
Haha. That word 'create' has a kind of ominous, threatening connotation for you, doesn't it?

Does the phrase 'Vibrations cause sound' carry the same sort of connotation for you?
Post by Kevrob
Atmosphere carries them. Sound can be
said to exist in the mind of the hearer.
Really? How can sound exist in the mind? Sounds like magic.

What does it mean 'can be said to exist'? Does it or doesn't it? Just curious because I would never use that phrase.

Aside from that, is there ANYTHING that exists outside the mind of perceiver?
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Kevin R
Sophists `r Us!
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2017-05-13 19:26:57 UTC
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There is no the truth.
Is that the truth you believe in? :D
I believe theists don't know the meaning of the word truth - they
invented biblical and religious "truth," as a work-around, just like
Donald Trump has "alternative facts."
religious truth: anything but truthful
alternative facts: anything but factual
[quote from Jesper]
...their own belief system, abiogenesis - ie. the funny
idea that matter creates life - is completely unfounded
[/quote]
"Create" is a loaded word. It assumes a consciousness behind
an action. I, an atheist, don't consider any part of the natural
world to be "created."
That's where you're wrong. Created does not mean it's original shape is the
same today. God created all the stuff of nature, and let it evolve. Mankind is
an evolution.
Post by Kevrob
Humans create things, out of already
existing stuff, and they come up with ideas, which can be considered
creations.
Does this mean that the last dress you bought can be considered to be a
creation?
Post by Kevrob
But matter and energy, theorized to be the result of
the Big Bang are not "created" by anybody.
Wrong. They are not the result of the big bang, but the stuff that IS the big
bang. And God gave us the stuff.
Post by Kevrob
That is anthropomorphizing
the universe. It leads to the ultra-stupid "argument," usually
expressed as "How can their be a Creation with no Creator?"
It is just assuming the conclusion as a premise.
Lot's of people are really screwed up over that one.
Post by Kevrob
Quantum physics tells us that stuff - matter - _does_ "pop into
existence."
Only with God pushing it out.
Post by Kevrob
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-virtual-particles-rea/
Further, we have no idea what the physical laws were in whatever
version of the universe preceded the Big Bang.
There was no universe prior to the big bang. Don't you get that yet?
Post by Kevrob
Matter and energy
may owe their existence to the forces at play behind that barrier.
There was no "other side".
Post by Kevrob
Note: I am not a scientist, and especially not a physicist,
It shows.

just
Post by Kevrob
a layman who finds this stuff fascinating. I welcome correction
by those with the proper education to do so accurately.
BTW, one could be an atheist and not agree with the Big Bang, as in
the case of those who plumped for a "steady state" view of cosmology.
Being an atheist does correlate with accepting physical evidence
that has been properly vetted and allowing one's mind to be changed by
new theoretical structures. If abiogenesis is debunked by actual
scientific inquiry, then so be it.
Kevin R
the dukester, American-American

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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.

Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept. And how can anyone be required to avoid sin and suffering
unless he does understand the law? People are ultimately responsible
for their own understanding, and nowhere in the Vedas is it mentioned
that Krishna put people in a sinful state, nor is it mentioned in the
Bible that Adam caused everyone elses' sin. What they do say is that
people have misunderstood Adam or Krishna, and this has been their sin.
So, we have to get our understanding in order, and adhere to sound
principles and laws. How else is anything good or useful to come of it?
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Lucifer Morningstar
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin. We sinned due to our own ignorance of
God's truth.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Post by Smiler
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
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We sinned due to our own ignorance of God's truth.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth?
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Post by Smiler
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
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Post by aaa
We sinned due to our own ignorance of God's truth.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth?
We are all designed to love the truth, yes.
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Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
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Post by aaa
We sinned due to our own ignorance of God's truth.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth?
We are all designed to love the truth, yes.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth and that we would
have all the information needed to live a healthy life?
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Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
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We sinned due to our own ignorance of God's truth.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth?
We are all designed to love the truth, yes.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth and that we would
have all the information needed to live a healthy life?
Why do you have to repeat yourself?
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Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
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We sinned due to our own ignorance of God's truth.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth?
We are all designed to love the truth, yes.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth and that we would
have all the information needed to live a healthy life?
Why do you have to repeat yourself?
You won't answer me if I don't.

Does God determine how our brain functions?

Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth?

Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth and that we would
have all the information needed to live a healthy life?

I hope you will find it in the kindness of your brain to answer
me this time.
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Why do you have to repeat yourself?
You won't answer me if I don't.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth?
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth and that we would
have all the information needed to live a healthy life?
I hope you will find it in the kindness of your brain to answer
me this time.
God has determined how our brains function, and left it up to us to use
our brains.

The brain can be used to distinguish a mindless repetition or imitation
from the real thing.

If you willfully turn away from and reject the truth, it is your own
misuse of your brain that is at fault.
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Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
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We sinned due to our own ignorance of God's truth.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth?
We are all designed to love the truth, yes.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth and that we would
have all the information needed to live a healthy life?
Why do you have to repeat yourself?
You won't answer me if I don't.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth?
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth and that we would
have all the information needed to live a healthy life?
I hope you will find it in the kindness of your brain to answer
me this time.
I answered your question already.
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Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
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We sinned due to our own ignorance of God's truth.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth?
We are all designed to love the truth, yes.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth and that we would
have all the information needed to live a healthy life?
Why do you have to repeat yourself?
You won't answer me if I don't.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth?
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth and that we would
have all the information needed to live a healthy life?
I hope you will find it in the kindness of your brain to answer
me this time.
I answered your question already.
It would be very helpful if you would gather up all your
answers and proofs and put them into a post by themselves.
That way we wouldn't keep missing them.

Meanwhile would you be so kind as to answer some questions?

Does God determine how our brain functions?

Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth and that we would
have all the information needed to live a healthy life?

What do you think occupies most of your head?

Why did God create us as just another mammal?

Thank you.
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Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
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We sinned due to our own ignorance of God's truth.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth?
We are all designed to love the truth, yes.
Is there no way God could have designed us such that
we would all know and accept his truth and that we would
have all the information needed to live a healthy life?
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Does God determine how our brain functions?
You know, how in movies they always lament - oh woe , poor me, if I'd
only acted differently, if I just hadn't done this or done that... he
would still be alive, wah wah it is my fault.


This is the modern mentality, I'm the doer - something good happens...
I did that. Something bad happens... I did that or it's someone else's
fault...
The the vast majority of people go through their whole lives lamenting
over the bad that goes down and rejoicing over the good that happens.


But life gets so much more simple when you understand the law of
karma. It so simplifies your outlook on the world.


Karma is a law of nature. Everything that happens in the universe, in
the 311 trillion years it lasts, is pre pre-programmed, arranged by
the Supreme's material energy - it is one breath of Maha-vishnu, which
means that one exhalation and inhalation of God lasts 311 trillion
solar years. That's the first thing to discover about God - how great
He is. But that's only a preliminary understanding of God. Higher than
worshiping God in awe and reverence is to relate to Him as friend or
lover. This becomes possible when, by the mercy of the spiritual
master, one is allowed entrance into God's far out personality.


-- but, but you have no proof, it's all randoml chance happening, how
can there be a God, like some magic pixie in the sky?


Anyway, so every material interaction, right down to the movement of
each and every atom and molecule in the universe is arranged by
Krishna in His form as Paramatma.
What that means is you dont have to lament over anything, because no
matter what you did at any given time, it was destined to happen. It
doesn't matter what you did or didn't do, if it's your friend's karma
to die a certain time, there i nothing you could have done to stop it
from happening. That's the arrangement of God...


--but, but it's all random, what you experience in life is nothing
more than fluctuations of atoms and molecules.


You see, rather than being peaceful and happy in the knowledge that
everything that happens (except what you do for Krishna) is inevitable
karma, in stead people like to bitch and moan non-stop about all the
things that went wrong.

However, when you know that every atom is controlled by Krishna, you
feel completely secure surrendering to Him. Why would you not want to
surrender to someone who is in control? It's a natural inclination to
surrender to and rely upon someone in control. People through all
times have surrendered to some supreme power, either in the form of
nature, or some supernatural beings in the universe.


--but, but I don't need nobody to to tell me what to do. No god is
gonna tell me how to live my life.
I actually have a theory about that. I am convinced that modern
Christianity and Islam were invented by atheists to ridicule and scorn
God.


--but, but now a days we know the universe popped out of a point,
poof, just like that for no reason at all. The only rhyme and reason
about life I speculate myself. I don't need nobody to define my values
for me. I'll figure that out for myself, thank you very much.


Ok, so how do you know what rules to live by in life? Who defines your
values?


-- Uh duh, welcome to the entertainment industry. It's called
Hollywood. Hollywood defines how I live my life.


Really? You mean to say, people other than yourself define your
values?


--no, no I have my own values.


Oh, you mean the values you grew up with in the global Culture that
rules the world at present?


How do you know your values are more correct or unassailable than,
say, the values of another culture?


--but, but we try to export our way of freedom to the rest of the
world. It's called globalization. All research shows it's beneficial
for the economy to to consume as much as possible. That's why us
Westerners deem it imperial to subject the rest of the world to our
way of life...


Yes, I get that, but how do you know that Western democracy, based as
it is, on consumption and exploitation of natural resources, is the
best way of life?


--but, but that's obvious. The sales of anti-depressants have shot
through the roof in later years. How is that not good for the economy?
Do you realize how much money the pharmacy industry makes, how much
they contribute to tax and BNP and how many jobs they create all over
the world?


Yes, but how do you measure that a life of consumption is the best way
of life? There is only one way to do that, and I'll tell you how. The
real measure stick of life is happiness how happy does something make
you… By measuring the over all happiness and distress obtained from
your activities, it's possible to to scientifically determine the best
way to live. And it is a scientific fact that you become more happy
and satisfied living with Krishna in your life, than living your life
without Krishna. It’s as simple as that. And it's not a matter of
faith, it's a demonstrable, scientific fact.


Krishna says:


In the beginning of creation, the Lord of all creatures sent forth
generations of men and demigods, along with sacrifices for Vishnu, and
blessed them by saying, “Be thou happy by this yajna [sacrifice]
because its performance will bestow upon you everything desirable for
living happily and achieving liberation.” —Bg 3.10


The demigods, being pleased by sacrifices, will also please you, and
thus, by cooperation between men and demigods, prosperity will reign
for all. —Bg 3.11


In charge of the various necessities of life, the demigods, being
satisfied by the performance of yajña [sacrifice], will supply all
necessities to you. But he who enjoys such gifts without offering them
to the demigods in return is certainly a thief. —Bg 3.12


The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because
they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who
prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin. — Bg
3.13


All living bodies subsist on food grains, which are produced from
rains. Rains are produced by performance of yajña [sacrifice], and
yajña is born of prescribed duties. — Bg 3.14


Regulated activities are prescribed in the Vedas, and the Vedas are
directly manifested from the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Consequently the all-pervading Transcendence is eternally situated in
acts of sacrifice. —Bg 3.15


My dear Arjuna, one who does not follow in human life the cycle of
sacrifice thus established by the Vedas certainly leads a life full of
sin. Living only for the satisfaction of the senses, such a person
lives in vain. —Bg 3.16



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Does God determine how our brain functions?
You know, how in movies they always lament - oh woe , poor me, if I'd
only acted differently, if I just hadn't done this or done that... he
would still be alive, wah wah it is my fault.
Your complete inability to respond on-topic to the simplest of
questions is truly impressive, Jesper.
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because in the last analysis we ourselves are part of the mystery we
are trying to solve."

- Max Planck


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"Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of Nature. And it is
because in the last analysis we ourselves are part of the mystery we
are trying to solve."
- Max Planck
Einstein made mistakes, so Max Planck can't get a free pass based on
intellect along... And he's making assumptions outside his field of
"muddy" science: psychology.

Psychology is all about observation, but drawing conclusions from
observing the actions of people is not "science," because it isn't
repeatable. It can offer a lot of insight into how people behave, but
not why they do the things they do.

Then too you shoot down your own argument: if the observer can't
observe his own biases, how can he say that he can't observe his own
bias?
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"Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of Nature.
Which is what, exactly?
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And it is
because in the last analysis we ourselves are part of the mystery we
are trying to solve."
- Max Planck
What do you think Planck meant by that, dumbass?
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"Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of Nature.
Which is what, exactly?
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And it is
because in the last analysis we ourselves are part of the mystery we
are trying to solve."
- Max Planck
What do you think Planck meant by that, dumbass?
Jesper, think?
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What do you think Planck meant by that, dumbass?
You have to ask that? hahaha :)
Get an education, fool

"From my earliest training as a scientist I was very strongly
brainwashed to believe that science cannot be consistent with any kind
of deliberate creation. That notion has had to be painfully shed. I am
quite uncomfortable in this situation, the state of mind I now find
myself in. But there is no logical way out of it. I now find myself
driven to this position by logic. There is no other way in which we
can understand the precise ordering of the chemicals of life except to
invoke the creations on a cosmic scale. . . We were hoping as
scientists that there would be a way round our conclusion, but there
isn’t."

--Sir Frederick Hoyle and Chandra Wickramsinghe, There Must Be A God,
Daily Express, Aug. 14, 1981. & Hoyle On Evolution. Nature, Nov. 12,
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What do you think Planck meant by that, dumbass?
You have to ask that?
ROTFLMFAO! I asked it because I knew you would be unable to answer it,
Jesper. As always, you proved me right.
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--but, but it's all random, what you experience in life is nothing
more than fluctuations of atoms and molecules.
You see, rather than being peaceful and happy in the knowledge that
everything that happens (except what you do for Krishna) is inevitable
karma, in stead people like to bitch and moan non-stop about all the
things that went wrong.
However, when you know that every atom is controlled by Krishna, you
feel completely secure surrendering to Him. Why would you not want to
surrender to someone who is in control? It's a natural inclination to
surrender to and rely upon someone in control. People through all
times have surrendered to some supreme power, either in the form of
nature, or some supernatural beings in the universe.
They also at one point surrendered to Krishna in His bodily form. At
first, His control over them was the same as that of any other teacher.
It was only after His Word gained adherents, could it truly be said of
Him that He was in control, as beseems Deity.
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--but, but I don't need nobody to to tell me what to do. No god is
gonna tell me how to live my life.
I actually have a theory about that. I am convinced that modern
Christianity and Islam were invented by atheists to ridicule and scorn
God.
That's what happened also to modern Hinduism. Follow the link for the
unadulteraded Truth.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Your gibberish is getting ever more insane by the post.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Your gibberish is getting ever more insane by the post.
I'm sorry if I have confused you, but that only shows how inadequate
your intellectual mind is in understanding the truth.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Your gibberish is getting ever more insane by the post.
I'm sorry if I have confused you, but that only shows how inadequate
your intellectual mind is in understanding the truth.
Why did God choose to make our brain inadequate?
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Your gibberish is getting ever more insane by the post.
I'm sorry if I have confused you, but that only shows how inadequate
your intellectual mind is in understanding the truth.
Why did God choose to make our brain inadequate?
That's not God's fault either. It's the result of sin.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Your gibberish is getting ever more insane by the post.
I'm sorry if I have confused you, but that only shows how inadequate
your intellectual mind is in understanding the truth.
Why did God choose to make our brain inadequate?
That's not God's fault either. It's the result of sin.
If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?

Does God determine how our brain functions?
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Your gibberish is getting ever more insane by the post.
I'm sorry if I have confused you, but that only shows how inadequate
your intellectual mind is in understanding the truth.
Why did God choose to make our brain inadequate?
That's not God's fault either. It's the result of sin.
If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?
Does God determine how our brain functions?
God is never weak, but people are always weak to follow God.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Your gibberish is getting ever more insane by the post.
I'm sorry if I have confused you, but that only shows how inadequate
your intellectual mind is in understanding the truth.
Why did God choose to make our brain inadequate?
That's not God's fault either. It's the result of sin.
If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?
Does God determine how our brain functions?
God is never weak, but people are always weak to follow God.
Agreed. People are always weak to follow god.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Your gibberish is getting ever more insane by the post.
I'm sorry if I have confused you, but that only shows how inadequate
your intellectual mind is in understanding the truth.
Why did God choose to make our brain inadequate?
That's not God's fault either. It's the result of sin.
If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?
Does God determine how our brain functions?
God is never weak, but people are always weak to follow God.
Agreed. People are always weak to follow god.
I'm glad you realize that.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Post by Smiler
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Your gibberish is getting ever more insane by the post.
I'm sorry if I have confused you, but that only shows how inadequate
your intellectual mind is in understanding the truth.
Why did God choose to make our brain inadequate?
That's not God's fault either. It's the result of sin.
If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?
Does God determine how our brain functions?
God is never weak, but people are always weak to follow God.
Agreed. People are always weak to follow god.
I'm glad you realize that.
Strong people (or just those with both oars in the water) don't need
gods.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Post by Smiler
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Your gibberish is getting ever more insane by the post.
I'm sorry if I have confused you, but that only shows how inadequate
your intellectual mind is in understanding the truth.
Why did God choose to make our brain inadequate?
That's not God's fault either. It's the result of sin.
If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?
Does God determine how our brain functions?
God is never weak, but people are always weak to follow God.
Agreed. People are always weak to follow god.
I'm glad you realize that.
Strong people (or just those with both oars in the water) don't need
gods.
There are no strong people without God. Real strength and courage can
only come from God. The fanatical atheists don't have any strength. What
they have is called ideological fever.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Your gibberish is getting ever more insane by the post.
I'm sorry if I have confused you, but that only shows how inadequate
your intellectual mind is in understanding the truth.
Why did God choose to make our brain inadequate?
That's not God's fault either. It's the result of sin.
If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?
Does God determine how our brain functions?
God is never weak, but people are always weak to follow God.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Post by Smiler
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
Our mind is not designed to function for sin. Our mind is designed to
function for the truth. Sin is the untruth. It has replaced the truth.
That is not God's fault.
Your gibberish is getting ever more insane by the post.
I'm sorry if I have confused you, but that only shows how inadequate
your intellectual mind is in understanding the truth.
Why did God choose to make our brain inadequate?
That's not God's fault either. It's the result of sin.
If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?
Does God determine how our brain functions?
God is never weak, but people are always weak to follow God.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
You determine how you live your life, yes.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
Makes sense.
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If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?
Does God determine how our brain functions?
God is never weak, but people are always weak to follow God.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
yes.
Then God is responsible for every thought and every action.
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2017-05-22 22:02:27 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
Makes sense.
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If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?
Does God determine how our brain functions?
God is never weak, but people are always weak to follow God.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
yes.
Then God is responsible for every thought and every action.
You forgot the instruction manual on how to use your brain.

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2017-05-23 05:15:51 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
Makes sense.
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If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?
Does God determine how our brain functions?
God is never weak, but people are always weak to follow God.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
yes.
Then God is responsible for every thought and every action.
You snipped what I said. Are you really this desperate?
Lucifer Morningstar
2017-05-23 08:14:13 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
Makes sense.
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If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?
Does God determine how our brain functions?
God is never weak, but people are always weak to follow God.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
yes.
Then God is responsible for every thought and every action.
You snipped what I said. Are you really this desperate?
It only needed a yes or no answer. Any more is excess.

So, since God determines how our brain functions then
God is responsible for every thought and every action.

You should consider the consequences of praising God.

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duke
2017-05-23 17:45:28 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
Makes sense.
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If God is too weak to protect us from sin what chance do we have?
Does God determine how our brain functions?
God is never weak, but people are always weak to follow God.
Does God determine how our brain functions?
yes.
Then God is responsible for every thought and every action.
You snipped what I said. Are you really this desperate?
Hey, it's lucy. It's all he's good for.

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2017-05-14 05:28:40 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin. We sinned due to our own ignorance of
God's truth.
More evidenced bullshit.
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2017-05-14 05:35:59 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Post by Smiler
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin. We sinned due to our own ignorance of
God's truth.
More evidenced bullshit.
Stop bitching and moaning fatso.
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2017-05-16 12:19:23 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.ant
Ganesha's even better. He doesn't kill anyone because his father killed
him and replaced his chopped off head with that of an elephant. He's the god
of writing and learning.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
Must everyone agree with you? Who died and left you a god?
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God did not make our mind to sin. We sinned due to our own ignorance of
God's truth.
Prove this. You can't even provide evidence that your god ever existed.
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More evidenced bullshit.
Stop bitching and moaning fatso.
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Post by Smiler
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin. We sinned due to our own ignorance of
God's truth.
More evidenced bullshit.
More blind denial.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-05-15 21:13:24 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
God did not make our mind to sin.
God did not make anything.

We sinned due to our own ignorance of
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God's truth.
Only in your deranged mind. Not in the real world.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-05-15 21:08:00 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
And he's blue making him easy to find so you can point and laugh.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
He's just another theist moron.
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2017-05-16 12:25:15 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Krishna sounds like a much nicer dude than God.
And he's blue making him easy to find so you can point and laugh.
Actually he was black due to being a southern India god. When the
northern Indians adopted him and other southern gods, they made them
blue for prejudiced reasons. Couldn't have an Untouchable god, y'know.
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Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Sin breaks the law and principle that a rational mind is relying on. The
law and principle is called the truth. Sin is the untruth. When the
rational mind relies on the untruth instead of the truth, the rational
mind sins and becomes irrational.
Who are you say God should not have made our brain that way?
He's just another theist moron.
Kurt Nicklas
2017-05-13 13:11:14 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Yeah, there are no absolutes, right?

Rational minds construct their own codes of behavior?

Your truth is not necessarily my truth?

Everything is relative?
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2017-05-14 01:19:27 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great
joy and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for
you. It's as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving
up all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot
possibly be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna
made it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing
will come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This
is not possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful
state by Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a
rational mind can accept.
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Yeah, there are no absolutes, right?
Where did I claim that, liar?
Sin is an invented religious concept.
Rational minds cannot accept invented religious concepts.

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Kurt Nicklas
2017-05-16 00:13:36 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great
joy and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for
you. It's as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving
up all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot
possibly be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna
made it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing
will come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This
is not possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful
state by Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a
rational mind can accept.
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Yeah, there are no absolutes, right?
Where did I claim that, liar?
I'm simply asking. Do you have the courage to answer me?
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Sin is an invented religious concept.
Do you believe in such a thing as immorality?
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Rational minds cannot accept invented religious concepts.
Do rational minds construct moral systems that are absolute and that must apply to all humans?
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2017-05-14 05:32:53 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Yeah, there are no absolutes, right?
Rational minds construct their own codes of behavior?
Your truth is not necessarily my truth?
Everything is relative?
Oh, good, you're starting to understand.
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2017-05-15 21:11:50 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Yeah, there are no absolutes, right?
Except for that one?
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Rational minds construct their own codes of behavior?
Of course, and they tend to agree on what is permissible and what should be disallowed.
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Your truth is not necessarily my truth?
The truth is not subjective.
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Everything is relative?
Is it?
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2017-05-16 00:11:52 UTC
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Yeah, there are no absolutes, right?
Except for that one?
You tell me.
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Rational minds construct their own codes of behavior?
Of course, and they tend to agree on what is permissible and what should be disallowed.
One of the most laughable pretensions of atheists.

The 'No True Scotsman' fallacy: If anyone behaves differently that I do then they can't be rational.

Moreover, are agnostics rational or just atheists? Or just militant atheists?

Are there any theists who were/are rational?
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Your truth is not necessarily my truth?
The truth is not subjective.
And you know the truth, do you?
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Everything is relative?
Is it?
You're not able to answer? Or you can but are afraid of what I might ask next?

Hmmm.....
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So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly be
experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
Knowing the difference between good and bad is all good, but thinking
that we are all suffering because of Adams' sin, or because Krishna made
it that way, is a completely useless concept.
Chanting Krishnas' name on a regular basis is all good, but nothing will
come of it unless there is proof that we have avoided sin. This is not
possible if we think everyone else has been put in a sinful state by
Krishna or anyone else. It is not a law or principle that a rational
mind can accept.
Sin is not a law or principle that a rational mind can accept.
Yeah, there are no absolutes, right?
Except for that one?
You tell me.
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Rational minds construct their own codes of behavior?
Of course, and they tend to agree on what is permissible and what should be disallowed.
One of the most laughable pretensions of atheists.
The 'No True Scotsman' fallacy: If anyone behaves differently that I do then they can't be rational.
Another stupid lie.

The only people we think are not rational are the ones who believe in unevidenced beings and waste their entire lives in thrall to them.
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There is no the truth.
Is that the truth you believe in? :D
Atheists always moan and whine about proof and evidence. They seem to
forget that their own belief system, abiogenesis - ie. the funny idea
that matter creates life - is completely unfounded, blind belief. Why
don't atheists demand proof of that?
But this is the double-standard one is forced to accept as an atheist.
Stone-hard and cold facts are required to give credibility to the
opposition, but when it comes to one's own beliefs the same demands
are suddenly not required.
Anyhow, atheists always go on and on about scientific proof and
evidence. So then I offer the scientific proof - that if you maintain
an atheistic mentality, you will experience a lot more suffering and
frustration than if you accept to connect with Krishna. That is a test
anyone can perform and verify - Krishna conciousness brings greater
happiness in life and atheism brings greater misery and suffering in
life.
What people in general don't understand is that life in the material
world is basically one of suffering and frustration. It is so, because
Krishna has made it that way. The reason Krishna has designed it that
way, is because if things were perfect in the material world, the
fallen, lost souls would not want to go back to the spiritual world
and enjoy with Krishna. They would want to stay in the material world
and enjoy the body. Actually, this is what most people want, anyway -
stay in the material world and enjoy their senses. Krishna is even so
kind that a soul in the body of a worm in stool, thinks he is
enjoying. Even the souls living under the most hellish conditions
think they are enjoying. Apart from that, there are the heavenly
planets where the demigods enjoy bodily gratification to the max.
Anyone can go there by being pious, following the process devised by
God.
So the human form of life is a chance for the soul to get rid of all
suffering. A clever person will ask the question, why do I suffer? and
try to get rid of it. The human form of life is a chance for the soul
to get rid of all suffering. Atheism bars the human being from this
opportunity. Atheism just conditions the soul to more suffering.
Krishna says: From the highest planet in the material world down to
the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death
take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of KuntI, never
takes birth again. (Bg. 8.16)
Humility; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity;
approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness; steadiness;
self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification;
absence of false ego; the perception of the evil of birth, death, old
age and disease; detachment; freedom from entanglement with children,
wife, home and the rest; even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant
events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me; aspiring to live in a
solitary place; detachment from the general mass of people; accepting
the importance of self-realization; and philosophical search for the
Absolute Truth—all these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this
whatever there may be is ignorance. (Bg.13. 8-12)
Note, that the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and
disease is one of the symptoms of knowledge. Most people are
intelligent enough to understand they are suffering. Only animals
don't understand they are suffering. In the human form of life the
soul is given sufficient intelligence by nature to understand he is
suffering. Whether he will admit it here, is another matter.
So anyone who is serious about becoming free from suffering must
surrender to Krishna and God's laws. These laws are explained in the
Vedas. And anyone who maintains an atheistic mentality will suffer
repeatedly. That's the proof that atheism is bad for you. And anyone
who chants Krishna's name on a regular basis will experience great joy
and happiness in life. That's proof that Krishna is good for you. It's
as simple as that.
O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
--Srimad Bhagavatam 11.14.12
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