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Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-11 08:46:33 UTC
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So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.

Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.

We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty God would know.

But he doesn't.

Because he's fiction.

Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.

It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist. If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements. Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.

If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing yourself?

Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.

It's stuff like this that makes atheists think so many Christians are not too smart. it absolutely makes no sense at all. God waits until man has been around for about 200,000 years before it shows up, then hangs around for a short while supervising a lot of slaughter of humans, animals, and everything else he supposedly created. He doesn't go anywhere else, just stays hanging around the dullest place on earth at the time with savages who keep slaves, punish women for getting raped, kills children who lack respect and is just an all around rubbish deity. How does any of that make any sense?

If his message was so fucking important why not go where there's a lot of [eople and especially a lot of people who could read and write. No logic to it all.

It seems that this is exactly the kind of thing Occam's Razor was designed for. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. God is fiction and the whole notion that all the stuff in the bible is true is just insane nonsense.
I don't want to see any of that mysterious ways bullshit either. If some alleged deity wants my respect then he needs to do things that make sense.
Allowing the troops to have 12-year-old girls and younger as sex slaves and that the keeping of slaves was Okey dokey with the Lord. Isn't that special?

It begs the question asked in another thread. Just how fucking stupid are these theists? How can anyone not instantly see that the whole thing is just ridiculous?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Even more importantly, in a case like this, where one's soul is supposed to be on the line we need the evidence to come from the entity that is making demands on us.

Mankind got bupkis.
v***@gmail.com
2017-08-11 09:13:57 UTC
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So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
It does not matter, since proving to you or anyone else that God exists is neither a legal nor moral requirement for believers.
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Part of omnipotence is omniscience.
WRONG. The first means all powerful, while the second means all knowing.


An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.

So what? Your ignorance of Judaism and Christianity is abysmal.
According to both religions, God does not intervene on a daily basis to ensure that everyone acts properly all the time. He views your lifelong behavior as a whole and then judges you once when the time for judgement arrives.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-11 20:04:32 UTC
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So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
It does not matter, since proving to you or anyone else that God exists is neither a legal nor moral requirement for believers.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Part of omnipotence is omniscience.
WRONG. The first means all powerful, while the second means all knowing.
If god is omnipotent as is claimed, omniscient has to be part of that since omnipotent means ALL POWERFUL, THE POWER TO DO ANYTHING.
If not omniscient then not omnipotent.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/omnipotent
adjective
1.
almighty or infinite in power, as God.

https://www.allaboutgod.com/omnipotent-god.htm
Omnipotent God – What is Omnipotence?
We have an omnipotent God. He has the ability and power to anything (omni=all; potent=powerful). This power is exercised effortlessly. A good example of God’s omnipotence is in the name el shaddai, which means “self-sufficient” or “almighty.” God’s power is unlimited.

A proper definition is given by Thiessen: “God is all-powerful and able to do whatever he wills. Since his will is limited by his nature, God can do everything that is in harmony with his perfections.”1
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An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
So what? Your ignorance of Judaism and Christianity is abysmal.
Has nothing to with the matter at hand. The only thing I need to know about religions with gods is that they don't have any evidence of those gods.

Try and focus, I'm sure you will find something to yell about.
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According to both religions, God does not intervene on a daily basis to ensure that everyone acts properly all the time.
According to Jesus all believers who pray in his name get their prayers granted.
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He views your lifelong behavior as a whole and then judges you once when the >time for judgment arrives.
Then I will probably be safe and you will are going to hell.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-11 20:43:56 UTC
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So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
It does not matter, since proving to you or anyone else that God exists is neither a legal nor moral requirement for believers.
Then stop talking about it on an atheist ng where you are clearly outmatched.
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Part of omnipotence is omniscience.
WRONG. The first means all powerful, while the second means all knowing.
An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
So what? Your ignorance of Judaism and Christianity is abysmal.
Evasion and attempt to change the subject noted.
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According to both religions, God does not intervene on a daily basis to ensure that everyone acts properly all the time.
He wouldn't have to since according to theists he designed it all and knows everything that will ever happen and can change it to suit his whims.

He views your lifelong behavior as a whole and then judges you once when the time for judgement arrives.
Yap Honghor
2017-08-12 02:25:11 UTC
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
It does not matter, since proving to you or anyone else that God exists is neither a legal nor moral requirement for believers.
It does matter if theists are to proselytize.
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Part of omnipotence is omniscience.
WRONG. The first means all powerful, while the second means all knowing.
No....all knowing is part of all power.
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An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
So what? Your ignorance of Judaism and Christianity is abysmal.
So, it is rather stupid for Judaists and Christians to believe while lack of evidence for the existence of their respective pixies.
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According to both religions, God does not intervene on a daily basis to ensure that everyone acts properly all the time. He views your lifelong behavior as a whole and then judges you once when the time for judgement arrives.
Nonsense....you are trying to put words where there are none.
Moron, a non-existent pixie cannot view, judge or do anything....
Malcolm McMahon
2017-08-11 10:17:35 UTC
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So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
Ah, but what if there's a God who doesn't _want_ to be believed in?
Kevrob
2017-08-11 12:08:14 UTC
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
Ah, but what if there's a God who doesn't _want_ to be believed in?
http://vonnegut.wikia.com/wiki/The_Church_of_God_the_Utterly_Indifferent.

Kevin R
Simon Roberts
2017-08-11 12:16:53 UTC
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
Ah, but what if there's a God who doesn't _want_ to be believed in?
http://vonnegut.wikia.com/wiki/The_Church_of_God_the_Utterly_Indifferent.
Kevin R
oh.
Yap Honghor
2017-08-12 02:31:14 UTC
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
Ah, but what if there's a God who doesn't _want_ to be believed in?
http://vonnegut.wikia.com/wiki/The_Church_of_God_the_Utterly_Indifferent.
Kevin R
oh.
Oh for your ignorance or your stupidity?
Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-11 20:07:34 UTC
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So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
Ah, but what if there's a God who doesn't _want_ to be believed in?
http://vonnegut.wikia.com/wiki/The_Church_of_God_the_Utterly_Indifferent.
Kevin R
If God were alive today he'd be an atheist. Kurt Vonnegut
Yap Honghor
2017-08-12 02:29:26 UTC
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
Ah, but what if there's a God who doesn't _want_ to be believed in?
Just as some body dislike they are being controlled by their wives.
Or some citizens wish there would be much less laws, to control their lives.
Simon Roberts
2017-08-11 10:33:18 UTC
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wrong, now shut the fuck up if you are going to be pretentious and/or juvenile.
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So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty God would know.
But he doesn't.
Because he's fiction.
Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist. If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements. Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing yourself?
Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.
It's stuff like this that makes atheists think so many Christians are not too smart. it absolutely makes no sense at all. God waits until man has been around for about 200,000 years before it shows up, then hangs around for a short while supervising a lot of slaughter of humans, animals, and everything else he supposedly created. He doesn't go anywhere else, just stays hanging around the dullest place on earth at the time with savages who keep slaves, punish women for getting raped, kills children who lack respect and is just an all around rubbish deity. How does any of that make any sense?
If his message was so fucking important why not go where there's a lot of [eople and especially a lot of people who could read and write. No logic to it all.
It seems that this is exactly the kind of thing Occam's Razor was designed for. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. God is fiction and the whole notion that all the stuff in the bible is true is just insane nonsense.
I don't want to see any of that mysterious ways bullshit either. If some alleged deity wants my respect then he needs to do things that make sense.
Allowing the troops to have 12-year-old girls and younger as sex slaves and that the keeping of slaves was Okey dokey with the Lord. Isn't that special?
It begs the question asked in another thread. Just how fucking stupid are these theists? How can anyone not instantly see that the whole thing is just ridiculous?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Even more importantly, in a case like this, where one's soul is supposed to be on the line we need the evidence to come from the entity that is making demands on us.
Mankind got bupkis.
He Kicked Their Jewish Butts Out Of The Land
2017-08-11 17:12:30 UTC
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wrong, now shut the fuck up if you are going to be pretentious and/or juvenile.
He is 78 and slouching toward the grave yet he still thinks his life should end here.
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So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty God would know.
But he doesn't.
Because he's fiction.
Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist. If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements. Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing yourself?
Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.
It's stuff like this that makes atheists think so many Christians are not too smart. it absolutely makes no sense at all. God waits until man has been around for about 200,000 years before it shows up, then hangs around for a short while supervising a lot of slaughter of humans, animals, and everything else he supposedly created. He doesn't go anywhere else, just stays hanging around the dullest place on earth at the time with savages who keep slaves, punish women for getting raped, kills children who lack respect and is just an all around rubbish deity. How does any of that make any sense?
If his message was so fucking important why not go where there's a lot of [eople and especially a lot of people who could read and write. No logic to it all.
It seems that this is exactly the kind of thing Occam's Razor was designed for. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. God is fiction and the whole notion that all the stuff in the bible is true is just insane nonsense.
I don't want to see any of that mysterious ways bullshit either. If some alleged deity wants my respect then he needs to do things that make sense.
Allowing the troops to have 12-year-old girls and younger as sex slaves and that the keeping of slaves was Okey dokey with the Lord. Isn't that special?
It begs the question asked in another thread. Just how fucking stupid are these theists? How can anyone not instantly see that the whole thing is just ridiculous?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Even more importantly, in a case like this, where one's soul is supposed to be on the line we need the evidence to come from the entity that is making demands on us.
Mankind got bupkis.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-11 20:09:03 UTC
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wrong, now shut the fuck up if you are going to be pretentious and/or juvenile.
He is 68 and slouching toward the grave yet he still thinks his life should end here.
I corrected it for you.
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So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty God would know.
But he doesn't.
Because he's fiction.
Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist. If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements. Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing yourself?
Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.
It's stuff like this that makes atheists think so many Christians are not too smart. it absolutely makes no sense at all. God waits until man has been around for about 200,000 years before it shows up, then hangs around for a short while supervising a lot of slaughter of humans, animals, and everything else he supposedly created. He doesn't go anywhere else, just stays hanging around the dullest place on earth at the time with savages who keep slaves, punish women for getting raped, kills children who lack respect and is just an all around rubbish deity. How does any of that make any sense?
If his message was so fucking important why not go where there's a lot of [eople and especially a lot of people who could read and write. No logic to it all.
It seems that this is exactly the kind of thing Occam's Razor was designed for. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. God is fiction and the whole notion that all the stuff in the bible is true is just insane nonsense.
I don't want to see any of that mysterious ways bullshit either. If some alleged deity wants my respect then he needs to do things that make sense.
Allowing the troops to have 12-year-old girls and younger as sex slaves and that the keeping of slaves was Okey dokey with the Lord. Isn't that special?
It begs the question asked in another thread. Just how fucking stupid are these theists? How can anyone not instantly see that the whole thing is just ridiculous?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Even more importantly, in a case like this, where one's soul is supposed to be on the line we need the evidence to come from the entity that is making demands on us.
Mankind got bupkis.
b***@gmail.com
2017-08-11 12:48:54 UTC
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Part of omnipotence is omniscience.
Where did you get that from?

Cite your source.
Kevrob
2017-08-11 13:42:33 UTC
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Part of omnipotence is omniscience.
Where did you get that from?
Cite your source.
Schoolhouse Rocky taught us that knowledge is power.
So, if you have all the knowledge, you'd be mega-powerful.
And if it floats, it weighs as much as a duck!

Ergo.....


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2017-08-11 14:04:32 UTC
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Part of omnipotence is omniscience.
Where did you get that from?
Cite your source.
Schoolhouse Rocky taught us that knowledge is power.
So, if you have all the knowledge, you'd be mega-powerful.
And if it floats, it weighs as much as a duck!
Ergo.....
Kevin R
The statement "knowledge is power" does not refer to the omniscence or omnipotence of God, but, rather, to the power knowledge gives humans.
Your quote is irrelevant and out of context.
Kevrob
2017-08-12 02:31:10 UTC
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Part of omnipotence is omniscience.
Where did you get that from?
Cite your source.
Schoolhouse Rocky taught us that knowledge is power.
So, if you have all the knowledge, you'd be mega-powerful.
And if it floats, it weighs as much as a duck!
Ergo.....
Kevin R
The statement "knowledge is power" does not refer to the omniscence or omnipotence of God, but, rather, to the power knowledge gives humans.
Your quote is irrelevant and out of context.
It was also an example of ridicule.

Your not being able to recognize that explains enough.

The alter kocker's superpower: omni-ignorance.

Kevrob
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2017-08-12 03:27:56 UTC
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Part of omnipotence is omniscience.
Where did you get that from?
Cite your source.
Schoolhouse Rocky taught us that knowledge is power.
So, if you have all the knowledge, you'd be mega-powerful.
And if it floats, it weighs as much as a duck!
Ergo.....
Kevin R
The statement "knowledge is power" does not refer to the omniscence or omnipotence of God, but, rather, to the power knowledge gives humans.
Your quote is irrelevant and out of context.
It was also an example of ridicule.
Your not being able to recognize that explains enough.
That's nothing but rationalization and a bullshit excuse.
You displayed abysmal ignorance. It's too late to cover it up.
Alex W.
2017-08-12 01:51:39 UTC
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of
evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able
to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him.
End of story.
Why is omniscience a consequence of omnipotence?

To use a crude comparison: the US may have the capability of utterly
destroying the North Korean regime (omnipotence) but they may not have
the knowledge to either target their weapons with perfect precision or
correctly predict the consequences (omniscience).

The second problem is that omnipotence and omniscience both do not imply
the will to act. IOW, a god may know what will happen and may have the
ability to act on this knowledge, but may not have the desire to do so.
By this argument, such defining characteristics prove nothing either way.
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We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty God would know.
But he doesn't.
Because he's fiction.
Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all
fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method
and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist.
If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to
be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that
was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
Note that human beings are alleged to have been created in the image of
their god. Logically, therefore, this putative god would be anything
but logical or indeed rational -- we are not, after all.

Why would a god act in a logical way when its subjects/creations are not?
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If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not
just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece
of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis
haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of
mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the
rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the
lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself
into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing
yourself? >
Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In
their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this
omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.
Quite so. See above...

And to be honest, if such a god existed (which I do not believe), I
would much prefer it to not act. Why deliver all the goodies into our
laps? How boring would that be! No achievement, no triumph of
overcoming obstacles, no growth. Imagine a life where everything was
catered for, where there was no need for human ingenuity, no need for
grit, no need for dedication or perseverance or sacrifice. Now that
would be a form of hell...
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2017-08-12 03:02:41 UTC
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of
evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able
to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him.
End of story.
Why is omniscience a consequence of omnipotence?
To use a crude comparison: the US may have the capability of utterly
destroying the North Korean regime (omnipotence) but they may not have
the knowledge to either target their weapons with perfect precision or
correctly predict the consequences (omniscience).
The second problem is that omnipotence and omniscience both do not imply
the will to act. IOW, a god may know what will happen and may have the
ability to act on this knowledge, but may not have the desire to do so.
By this argument, such defining characteristics prove nothing either way.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty God would know.
But he doesn't.
Because he's fiction.
Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all
fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method
and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist.
If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to
be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that
was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
Note that human beings are alleged to have been created in the image of
their god. Logically, therefore, this putative god would be anything
but logical or indeed rational -- we are not, after all.
Why would a god act in a logical way when its subjects/creations are not?
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If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not
just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece
of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis
haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of
mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the
rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the
lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself
into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing
yourself? >
Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In
their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this
omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.
Quite so. See above...
And to be honest, if such a god existed (which I do not believe), I
would much prefer it to not act. Why deliver all the goodies into our
laps? How boring would that be! No achievement, no triumph of
overcoming obstacles, no growth. Imagine a life where everything was
catered for, where there was no need for human ingenuity, no need for
grit, no need for dedication or perseverance or sacrifice. Now that
would be a form of hell...
Your ignorance of Judaism and Christianity is glaring.
God has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to micromanage human affairs. He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges us by our compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us on judgement day. If we get into trouble in the meantime, he judges us by how we deal with the situation.

He has to be logical in his administration of His laws or they would be impossible to follow and, therefore, meaningless.His judgements of us must be fair and logical in order to encourage our compliance with his laws.

Your posts have a tendency to ramble aimlessly and this time, you really posted a bunch of gobbledegook.
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of
evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able
to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him.
End of story.
Why is omniscience a consequence of omnipotence?
To use a crude comparison: the US may have the capability of utterly
destroying the North Korean regime (omnipotence) but they may not have
the knowledge to either target their weapons with perfect precision or
correctly predict the consequences (omniscience).
The second problem is that omnipotence and omniscience both do not imply
the will to act. IOW, a god may know what will happen and may have the
ability to act on this knowledge, but may not have the desire to do so.
By this argument, such defining characteristics prove nothing either way.
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We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty
God would know.
But he doesn't.
Because he's fiction.
Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all
fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method
and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist.
If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to
be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that
was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
Note that human beings are alleged to have been created in the image of
their god. Logically, therefore, this putative god would be anything
but logical or indeed rational -- we are not, after all.
Why would a god act in a logical way when its subjects/creations are not?
Post by Cloud Hobbit
If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not
just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece
of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis
haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of
mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the
rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the
lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself
into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing
yourself? >
Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In
their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this
omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.
Quite so. See above...
And to be honest, if such a god existed (which I do not believe), I
would much prefer it to not act. Why deliver all the goodies into our
laps? How boring would that be! No achievement, no triumph of
overcoming obstacles, no growth. Imagine a life where everything was
catered for, where there was no need for human ingenuity, no need for
grit, no need for dedication or perseverance or sacrifice. Now that
would be a form of hell...
Your ignorance of Judaism and Christianity is glaring.
God has omniscience and omnipotence, but he does not use them to micromanage human affairs. He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges us by our compliance with them, but he only does that once for each of us on judgment day. If we get into trouble in the meantime, he judges us by how we deal with the situation.
He has to be logical in his administration of His laws or they would be impossible to follow
They are impossible to follow already because they are not logical.

and, therefore, meaningless.His judgments of us must be fair and logical in order to encourage our compliance with his laws.

Then his laws should be fair and logical and they are not.
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Your posts have a tendency to ramble aimlessly and this time, you really posted a bunch of gobbledegook.
And yet you seem to be able to follow along. Stunt double again?
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God has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to micromanage human affairs. ...
Then how do you know he has those qualities? 'Spiderman can also fly,
but he always prefers to spin webs.'
... He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges us by our compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us on judgement day. If we get into trouble in the meantime, he judges us by how we deal with the situation.
I don't want to do you injustice, so could you tell us whether you
actually believe all that to be the real, or are you talking about
what is attributed to a purely fictional god character in the Bible?
He has to be logical in his administration of His laws or they would be impossible to follow and, therefore, meaningless.His judgements of us must be fair and logical in order to encourage our compliance with his laws.
Your posts have a tendency to ramble aimlessly and this time, you really posted a bunch of gobbledegook.
"That's nice. What the fuck does it mean?"
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(snip)
God has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to micromanage human affairs. ...
Then how do you know he has those qualities? 'Spiderman can also fly,
but he always prefers to spin webs.'
Even though his butt hurts afterwards.
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... He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges us by our compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us on judgement day. If we get into trouble in the meantime, he judges us by how we deal with the situation.
I don't want to do you injustice, so could you tell us whether you
actually believe all that to be the real, or are you talking about
what is attributed to a purely fictional god character in the Bible?
He has to be logical in his administration of His laws or they would be impossible to follow and, therefore, meaningless.His judgements of us must be fair and logical in order to encourage our compliance with his laws.
Your posts have a tendency to ramble aimlessly and this time, you really posted a bunch of gobbledegook.
"That's nice. What the fuck does it mean?"
That artie-joe was incapable of understanding it. Happens all the
time.
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(snip)
God has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to micromanage human affairs. ...
Then how do you know he has those qualities? 'Spiderman can also fly,
but he always prefers to spin webs.'
Even though his butt hurts afterwards.
Clingons pose a whole new challenge.
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... He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges us by our compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us on judgement day. If we get into trouble in the meantime, he judges us by how we deal with the situation.
I don't want to do you injustice, so could you tell us whether you
actually believe all that to be the real, or are you talking about
what is attributed to a purely fictional god character in the Bible?
He has to be logical in his administration of His laws or they would be impossible to follow and, therefore, meaningless.His judgements of us must be fair and logical in order to encourage our compliance with his laws.
Your posts have a tendency to ramble aimlessly and this time, you really posted a bunch of gobbledegook.
"That's nice. What the fuck does it mean?"
That artie-joe was incapable of understanding it. Happens all the
time.
And you're to blame.
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(snip)
God has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to micromanage human affairs. ...
Then how do you know he has those qualities? 'Spiderman can also fly,
but he always prefers to spin webs.'
Even though his butt hurts afterwards.
Clingons pose a whole new challenge.
Ah, add that to the list of things you didn't really want to know in
the first place.
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... He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges us by our compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us on judgement day. If we get into trouble in the meantime, he judges us by how we deal with the situation.
I don't want to do you injustice, so could you tell us whether you
actually believe all that to be the real, or are you talking about
what is attributed to a purely fictional god character in the Bible?
He has to be logical in his administration of His laws or they would be impossible to follow and, therefore, meaningless.His judgements of us must be fair and logical in order to encourage our compliance with his laws.
Your posts have a tendency to ramble aimlessly and this time, you really posted a bunch of gobbledegook.
"That's nice. What the fuck does it mean?"
That artie-joe was incapable of understanding it. Happens all the
time.
And you're to blame.
Come, Sir, I can only take credit for writing things he does not
comprehend: his general inability to comprehend pretty much anything
is far beyond my poor skills to cause.
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God has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to micromanage human affairs. ...
Then how do you know he has those qualities? 'Spiderman can also fly,
I think you have "Spider-Man" (with the hyphen, both
halves capitalized) confused with some other fictional
character.

Co-creator Steve Ditko is a Randian Objectivist, and
Objectivism has atheism as a fundamental tenet.

The Onion's AV club got Stan Lee on record as agnostic:

[quote]

I really don't know. I just don't know.

[/quote] - http://www.avclub.com/article/is-there-a-god-1413
Is There A God? By Stephen Thompson Oct 9, 2002
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but he always prefers to spin webs.'
Even though his butt hurts afterwards.
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Even though his butt hurts afterwards.
<snip>
'Tis most unkind to snip after a hurting butt.
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God
WHAT FUCKING GOD, in the real world beyond the in-your-face psycho's
religion?
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has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to
micromanage human affairs. ...
Prove it or shut the fuck up, liar.
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Then how do you know he has those qualities? 'Spiderman can also fly,
but he always prefers to spin webs.'
Post by v***@gmail.com
... He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges us by our
compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us on
judgement day. If we get into trouble in the meantime, he judges us
by how we deal with the situation.
Prove it, liar.
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I don't want to do you injustice, so could you tell us whether you
actually believe all that to be the real, or are you talking about
what is attributed to a purely fictional god character in the Bible?
He's just talking mindless nonsense where he knows people don't
believe that bullshit in the first place.
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He has to be logical in his administration of His laws or they would
be impossible to follow and, therefore, meaningless.His judgements
of us must be fair and logical in order to encourage our compliance
with his laws.
What a fucking moron.
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Post by v***@gmail.com
Your posts have a tendency to ramble aimlessly and this time, you
really posted a bunch of gobbledegook.
Liar.
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"That's nice. What the fuck does it mean?"
It means we've got a low IQ, trolling, psychopathic moron who has no
reason even to be here, and who can't think outside his religion even
though that's where he is spewing his off-topic, unsolicited nonsense.
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(snip)
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God
WHAT FUCKING GOD, in the real world beyond the in-your-face psycho's
religion?
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has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to
micromanage human affairs. ...
Prove it or shut the fuck up, liar.
The first amendment to the US Constitution says:"Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech.......
Why don't you file a complain with the police?


It's a religious belief, not subject to factual proof, ignoramus.
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Then how do you know he has those qualities? 'Spiderman can also fly,
but he always prefers to spin webs.'
I read the Torah and the Talmud.
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... He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges us by our
compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us on
judgement day. If we get into trouble in the meantime, he judges us
by how we deal with the situation.
Prove it, liar.
It's a religious belief, not subject to factual proof, ignoramus.
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I don't want to do you injustice, so could you tell us whether you
actually believe all that to be the real, or are you talking about
what is attributed to a purely fictional god character in the Bible?
He's just talking mindless nonsense where he knows people don't
believe that bullshit in the first place.
I can voice my opinion anytime I like and I don't need to wait until anyone agrees with me.
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He has to be logical in his administration of His laws or they would
be impossible to follow and, therefore, meaningless.His judgements
of us must be fair and logical in order to encourage our compliance
with his laws.
What a fucking moron.
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Your posts have a tendency to ramble aimlessly and this time, you
really posted a bunch of gobbledegook.
Liar.
It's my opinion, and obviously, you are too stupid to distinguish between that and statements of fact. Opinions are not statements of fact and cannot be lies.
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"That's nice. What the fuck does it mean?"
It means we've got a low IQ, trolling, psychopathic moron who has no
reason even to be here,
I don't need one and I certainly don't need your approval to do so.
If your IQ were even borderline retarded, you could have researched my quiz questions and supplied the answers.As it was, you scored a ZERO.


and who can't think outside his religion even
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though that's where he is spewing his off-topic, unsolicited nonsense.
Unsolicited? YOu don't wait for me to ask you for your input.
Why should I wait for you to ask me?
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God
WHAT FUCKING GOD, in the real world beyond the in-your-face psycho's
religion?
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has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to
micromanage human affairs. ...
Prove it or shut the fuck up, liar.
The first amendment to the US Constitution says:"Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech.......
Why don't you file a complain with the police?
It's a religious belief, not subject to factual proof, ignoramus.
Then why do you keep insisting that it's real?
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(snip)
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God
WHAT FUCKING GOD, in the real world beyond the in-your-face psycho's
religion?
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has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to
micromanage human affairs. ...
Prove it or shut the fuck up, liar.
The first amendment to the US Constitution says:"Congress shall make no
law regarding the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech.......
Why don't you file a complain with the police?
It's nothing to do with the First Amendment, and everything to do with
courtesy and the rules of discussion.
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It's a religious belief, not subject to factual proof, ignoramus.
Then why do you keep insisting that it's real?
It's nothing more than a dishonest cop out, because he cannot put up
but is psychologically incapable of shutting up.

Like far too many in-your-face religionists.
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God
WHAT FUCKING GOD, in the real world beyond the in-your-face psycho's
religion?
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has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to
micromanage human affairs. ...
Prove it or shut the fuck up, liar.
The first amendment to the US Constitution says:"Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech.......
Why don't you file a complain with the police?
It is the people like you that give Trumpidiot the pleasure to lie....
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It's a religious belief, not subject to factual proof, ignoramus.
Does religious belief a ticket to lie?
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Then how do you know he has those qualities? 'Spiderman can also fly,
but he always prefers to spin webs.'
I read the Torah and the Talmud.
Both are bullshitting.
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... He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges us by our
compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us on
judgement day. If we get into trouble in the meantime, he judges us
by how we deal with the situation.
Prove it, liar.
It's a religious belief, not subject to factual proof, ignoramus.
Oh, ticket to lie...
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I don't want to do you injustice, so could you tell us whether you
actually believe all that to be the real, or are you talking about
what is attributed to a purely fictional god character in the Bible?
He's just talking mindless nonsense where he knows people don't
believe that bullshit in the first place.
I can voice my opinion anytime I like and I don't need to wait until anyone agrees with me.
Your opinion is worth shit or the same as those in the psycho ward.
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He has to be logical in his administration of His laws or they would
be impossible to follow and, therefore, meaningless.His judgements
of us must be fair and logical in order to encourage our compliance
with his laws.
What a fucking moron.
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Your posts have a tendency to ramble aimlessly and this time, you
really posted a bunch of gobbledegook.
Liar.
It's my opinion, and obviously, you are too stupid to distinguish between that and statements of fact. Opinions are not statements of fact and cannot be lies.
Why said non-statement of fact cannot be lie???
From Mad Joe !!!!!
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"That's nice. What the fuck does it mean?"
It means we've got a low IQ, trolling, psychopathic moron who has no
reason even to be here,
I don't need one and I certainly don't need your approval to do so.
If your IQ were even borderline retarded, you could have researched my quiz questions and supplied the answers.As it was, you scored a ZERO.
Said someone who cannot score 100 % in his own quiz.
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and who can't think outside his religion even
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though that's where he is spewing his off-topic, unsolicited nonsense.
Unsolicited? YOu don't wait for me to ask you for your input.
Why should I wait for you to ask me?
Then you would come up with all the silly mistakes when there are no input from the atheists here.
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of
evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able
to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him.
End of story.
Why is omniscience a consequence of omnipotence?
To use a crude comparison: the US may have the capability of utterly
destroying the North Korean regime (omnipotence) but they may not have
the knowledge to either target their weapons with perfect precision or
correctly predict the consequences (omniscience).
The second problem is that omnipotence and omniscience both do not imply
the will to act. IOW, a god may know what will happen and may have the
ability to act on this knowledge, but may not have the desire to do so.
By this argument, such defining characteristics prove nothing either way.
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We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty God would know.
But he doesn't.
Because he's fiction.
Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all
fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method
and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist.
If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to
be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that
was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
Note that human beings are alleged to have been created in the image of
their god. Logically, therefore, this putative god would be anything
but logical or indeed rational -- we are not, after all.
Why would a god act in a logical way when its subjects/creations are not?
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If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not
just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece
of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis
haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of
mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the
rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the
lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself
into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing
yourself? >
Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In
their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this
omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.
Quite so. See above...
And to be honest, if such a god existed (which I do not believe), I
would much prefer it to not act. Why deliver all the goodies into our
laps? How boring would that be! No achievement, no triumph of
overcoming obstacles, no growth. Imagine a life where everything was
catered for, where there was no need for human ingenuity, no need for
grit, no need for dedication or perseverance or sacrifice. Now that
would be a form of hell...
Your ignorance of Judaism and Christianity is glaring.
God has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to micromanage human affairs. He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges us by our compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us on judgement day. If we get into trouble in the meantime, he judges us by how we deal with the situation.
..if your god had infinite knowledge (by the way, you misspelled
"omniscience") and infinite power, then your god would have provided
direct guidance for his creations and provided clear, precise,
rational laws for humans to follow. And there'd be no overkill of
deadly diseases, rampant plagues and famine. There'd be no
consortium of confused religions. The world would be much different if
there were a real god. That's NOT micromanaging...that's you god
fulfilling its obligations.
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He has to be logical in his administration of His laws or they would be impossible to follow and, therefore, meaningless.His judgements of us must be fair and logical in order to encourage our compliance with his laws.
Your posts have a tendency to ramble aimlessly and this time, you really posted a bunch of gobbledegook.
..haaaaaaaa, you can't even spell "gobbledygook". It's a term that
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of
evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able
to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him.
End of story.
Why is omniscience a consequence of omnipotence?
To use a crude comparison: the US may have the capability of utterly
destroying the North Korean regime (omnipotence) but they may not have
the knowledge to either target their weapons with perfect precision or
correctly predict the consequences (omniscience).
The second problem is that omnipotence and omniscience both do not imply
the will to act. IOW, a god may know what will happen and may have the
ability to act on this knowledge, but may not have the desire to do so.
By this argument, such defining characteristics prove nothing either way.
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We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty
God would know.
But he doesn't.
Because he's fiction.
Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all
fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method
and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist.
If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to
be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that
was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
Note that human beings are alleged to have been created in the image of
their god. Logically, therefore, this putative god would be anything
but logical or indeed rational -- we are not, after all.
Why would a god act in a logical way when its subjects/creations are not?
Post by Cloud Hobbit
If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not
just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece
of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis
haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of
mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the
rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the
lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself
into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing
yourself? >
Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In
their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this
omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.
Quite so. See above...
And to be honest, if such a god existed (which I do not believe), I
would much prefer it to not act. Why deliver all the goodies into our
laps? How boring would that be! No achievement, no triumph of
overcoming obstacles, no growth. Imagine a life where everything was
catered for, where there was no need for human ingenuity, no need for
grit, no need for dedication or perseverance or sacrifice. Now that
would be a form of hell...
Your ignorance of Judaism and Christianity is glaring.
God has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to micromanage human affairs. He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges us by our compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us on judgement day. If we get into trouble in the meantime, he judges us by how we deal with the situation.
..if your god had infinite knowledge (by the way, you misspelled
"omniscience") and infinite power, then your god would have provided
direct guidance for his creations
He has. It's in a book called the bible. Ever hear of it?
Your ignorance of his guidance is your fault, not His.


and provided clear, precise,
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rational laws for humans to follow. And there'd be no overkill of
deadly diseases, rampant plagues and famine.
LOL! It's not his responsibility to keep you safe. He's not your babysitter.


There'd be no
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consortium of confused religions.
In the ancient world where those religions were born,different groups spoke different languages. The Hindus wrote theirs in their language, the Jews wrote theirs in Hebrew, the Moslems wrote theirs in Arabic and the Chinese wrote their Buddhism in Chinese.


The world would be much different if
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there were a real god. That's NOT micromanaging...that's you god
fulfilling its obligations.
HAHAHAHA! That's obliations according to YOU. Why would any deity follow the instructions of someone who insists he does not exist? That's ludicrous and you're a fucking idiot.
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anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
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..if your god had infinite knowledge (by the way, you misspelled
"omniscience") and infinite power, then your god would have provided
direct guidance for his creations
He has. It's in a book called the bible. Ever hear of it?
Your ignorance of his guidance is your fault, not His.
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End of story.
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correctly predict the consequences (omniscience).
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We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty
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But he doesn't.
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Because he's fiction.
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and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
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be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
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of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis
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lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself
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yourself? >
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would be a form of hell...
Your ignorance of Judaism and Christianity is glaring.
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age human affairs. He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges =
us by our compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us =
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..if your god had infinite knowledge (by the way, you misspelled
"omniscience") and infinite power, then your god would have provided
direct guidance for his creations
He has.
The liar makes a claim of fact,
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It's in a book called the bible.
So fucking what?
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Ever hear of it?
Obviously, because sociopathic religious loonies wipe it in our faces.
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Your ignorance of his guidance is your fault, not His.
WHAT FUCKING "HIS GUIDANCE" was the psychopath lying about, where he
knows people aren't so stupid as to believe that nonsense?
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Uh oh, ArtieJoe's proselytizing. Hope his rabbi doesn't find out.
He's being deliberately and nastily stupid, and it's meant to offend a
group he irrationally hates.
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Right?
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to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him=
.
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End of story.
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=20
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destroying the North Korean regime (omnipotence) but they may not have=
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=20
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correctly predict the consequences (omniscience).
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We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty
God would know.
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But he doesn't.
=20
Because he's fiction.
=20
Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all
fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method
and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
=20
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist=
.
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If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to
be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that
was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
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but logical or indeed rational -- we are not, after all.
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of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis
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lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself
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would be a form of hell...
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age human affairs. He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges =
us by our compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us =
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..if your god had infinite knowledge (by the way, you misspelled
"omniscience") and infinite power, then your god would have provided
direct guidance for his creations
He has.
The liar makes a claim of fact,
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It's in a book called the bible.
So fucking what?
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Ever hear of it?
Obviously, because sociopathic religious loonies wipe it in our faces.
LOL.
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Your ignorance of his guidance is your fault, not His.
WHAT FUCKING "HIS GUIDANCE" was the psychopath lying about, where he
knows people aren't so stupid as to believe that nonsense?
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Uh oh, ArtieJoe's proselytizing. Hope his rabbi doesn't find out.
He's being deliberately and nastily stupid, and it's meant to offend a
group he irrationally hates.
Of course that's why he's here.
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Right?
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Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able
to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him=
.
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End of story.
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=20
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destroying the North Korean regime (omnipotence) but they may not have=
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correctly predict the consequences (omniscience).
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the will to act. IOW, a god may know what will happen and may have th=
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ability to act on this knowledge, but may not have the desire to do so=
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We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty
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But he doesn't.
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Because he's fiction.
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Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all
fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method
and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
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It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist=
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If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to
be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
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but logical or indeed rational -- we are not, after all.
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..if your god had infinite knowledge (by the way, you misspelled
"omniscience") and infinite power, then your god would have provided
direct guidance for his creations
He has.
The liar makes a claim of fact,
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It's in a book called the bible.
So fucking what?
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Ever hear of it?
Obviously, because sociopathic religious loonies wipe it in our faces.
LOL.
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Your ignorance of his guidance is your fault, not His.
WHAT FUCKING "HIS GUIDANCE" was the psychopath lying about, where he
knows people aren't so stupid as to believe that nonsense?
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Uh oh, ArtieJoe's proselytizing. Hope his rabbi doesn't find out.
He's being deliberately and nastily stupid, and it's meant to offend a
group he irrationally hates.
Of course that's why he's here.
and that's why they're here
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of
evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able
to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him.
End of story.
Why is omniscience a consequence of omnipotence?
To use a crude comparison: the US may have the capability of utterly
destroying the North Korean regime (omnipotence) but they may not have
the knowledge to either target their weapons with perfect precision or
correctly predict the consequences (omniscience).
The second problem is that omnipotence and omniscience both do not imply
the will to act. IOW, a god may know what will happen and may have the
ability to act on this knowledge, but may not have the desire to do so.
By this argument, such defining characteristics prove nothing either way.
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We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty
God would know.
But he doesn't.
Because he's fiction.
Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all
fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method
and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist.
If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to
be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that
was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
Note that human beings are alleged to have been created in the image of
their god. Logically, therefore, this putative god would be anything
but logical or indeed rational -- we are not, after all.
Why would a god act in a logical way when its subjects/creations are not?
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If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not
just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece
of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis
haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of
mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the
rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the
lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself
into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing
yourself? >
Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In
their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this
omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.
Quite so. See above...
And to be honest, if such a god existed (which I do not believe), I
would much prefer it to not act. Why deliver all the goodies into our
laps? How boring would that be! No achievement, no triumph of
overcoming obstacles, no growth. Imagine a life where everything was
catered for, where there was no need for human ingenuity, no need for
grit, no need for dedication or perseverance or sacrifice. Now that
would be a form of hell...
Your ignorance of Judaism and Christianity is glaring.
God has omniscence and omnipotence, but he does not use them to micromanage human affairs. He sets forth his laws for our behavior and then judges us by our compliance with them , but he only does that once for each of us on judgement day. If we get into trouble in the meantime, he judges us by how we deal with the situation.
..if your god had infinite knowledge (by the way, you misspelled
"omniscience") and infinite power, then your god would have provided
direct guidance for his creations
He has. It's in a book called the bible. Ever hear of it?
Your ignorance of his guidance is your fault, not His.
and provided clear, precise,
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rational laws for humans to follow. And there'd be no overkill of
deadly diseases, rampant plagues and famine.
LOL! It's not his responsibility to keep you safe. He's not your babysitter.
There'd be no
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consortium of confused religions.
In the ancient world where those religions were born,different groups spoke different languages. The Hindus wrote theirs in their language, the Jews wrote theirs in Hebrew, the Moslems wrote theirs in Arabic and the Chinese wrote their Buddhism in Chinese.
The world would be much different if
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there were a real god. That's NOT micromanaging...that's you god
fulfilling its obligations.
HAHAHAHA! That's obliations according to YOU. Why would any deity follow the instructions of someone who insists he does not exist? That's ludicrous and you're a fucking idiot.
Why would your imaginary god not want to present an airtight bit of proof that he, in fact, is real? Supposedly he made his presence known in the "holy land,"
why not make an appearance that everyone would be aware of? What would possible reason keep him from the entire rest of the world?

Personally, I don't see why reason why he would even care what we do. Why would an all powerful deity care what we do to each other? Seems just a bit hyper sensitive to me. It's like humans being upset about ants. If they aren't harming us, we ignore them.

It's questions like these and the enormous amount of absolute fiction in the Bible that convince me and most other atheists that none of it makes any sense.
It's much more harmful to believe in nonsense and never question the apparent problems than it is to insist on things making sense. Maybe there would be fewer atheists if all of the Judeo/Christian beliefs made some kind of sense.

The scariest people to me are the ones that think the bible is inerrant when it is full of so many obvious problems with exaggerations of real events and the invention of others. If I were ever going to be a religious person and believe in a god, it would have to be one whose holy book, his supposed instructions to humans would have to make sense. It wouldn't have a god who sends bears to eat kids or pull that horrible shit on Job. He wouldn't insist that women who were raped should pay off her dad or marry her. Makes no sense. I don't believe a god would say that I think a person from that time who did not hold women in much esteem for anything more than sex, children, and as unpaid labor.
Why in the hell would anybody in their right mind expect a rape victim to marry their attacker?

Honestly, does the following make any sense to you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_Hebrew_Bible
There are several other passages in the Old Testament, including Genesis 34, Numbers 31:15-18, Deuteronomy 21:10-14, Judges 19:22-26, and 2 Samuel 13:1-14, which depict rape or have been interpreted as discussing rape by numerous scholars, including Wil Gafney and Phyllis Trible.[4][5] In Genesis 34, Dinah is abducted by Shechem in a passage that is often interpreted as rape.[6][7] In Numbers 31:15-18, Moses, after exacting revenge on the Midianites, commands his army to kill all the boys and every non-virgin woman while telling them to "save for [themselves]" every virgin woman," a phrase which has been interpreted as a passage depicting rape.[4][8] Deuteronomy 21:10-14 presents laws regarding marrying a captive woman, which has also been regarded as depicting rape.[4][9] Judges 19:22-26 depicts Gibeah and the Levite Concubine, in which a man sends out his concubine to a group of angry men, where they gang rape her.[10] Afterward, the man cuts up the body of his concubine into twelve pieces and sends them to the Twelve Tribes of Israel.[4][11] 2 Samuel 13:1-14 involves the rape of Tamar.[12][13]

This is what you believe should happen?
This is the way you think God wants things?


How about this one?
"And Moses said unto Aaron, and unto Eleazar and unto Ithamar, his sons, Uncover not your heads, neither rend your clothes; lest ye die, and lest wrath come upon all the people: but let your brethren, the whole house of Israel, bewail the burning which the Lord hath kindled." Leviticus 10:6

What kind or weirdo thinks up this kind of punishment?
"If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him ... and a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband ... the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water ... this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot." Numbers 5:11-31

Your god has some strange ideas that need explaining. For instance: "If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft." Exodus 22:2-3

Can you only kill a burglar during the night? Why should the punishment for burglary b e death ever? Unless a criminal takes a life, I know of no reason why that criminal should lose theirs.

God seems to toss around the death penalty way too freely for my liking.

Without some serious explanation of these things, I can not accept they come from an omnipotent god. And there are so many other confusing and contradictory things in the bible that seem obvious that they have no relationship to the wishes of an omnipotent god.

If god wants us to do things to keep him happy with us, then he needs to expalain why an in such a way that the average human can understand.
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anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that
was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
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If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not
just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece
of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis
haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of
mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the
rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the
lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself
into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing
yourself? >
Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In
their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this
omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.
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Quite so. See above...
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catered for, where there was no need for human ingenuity, no need for=20
grit, no need for dedication or perseverance or sacrifice. Now that=20
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End of story.
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Why is omniscience a consequence of omnipotence?
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To use a crude comparison: the US may have the capability of utterly=20
destroying the North Korean regime (omnipotence) but they may not have=20
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fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method
and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
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It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist.
If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to
be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that
was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
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If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not
just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece
of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis
haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of
mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the
rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the
lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself
into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing
yourself? >
Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In
their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this
omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.
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grit, no need for dedication or perseverance or sacrifice. Now that=20
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Your ignorance of Judaism and Christianity is glaring.
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human affairs.
How can a fictional character micromanage anything in the real world?
Exactly. We do know the FSM micromanages at times, but he isn't fictional.
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to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him.
End of story.
=20
Why is omniscience a consequence of omnipotence?
=20
To use a crude comparison: the US may have the capability of utterly=20
destroying the North Korean regime (omnipotence) but they may not have=20
the knowledge to either target their weapons with perfect precision or=20
correctly predict the consequences (omniscience).
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God would know.
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But he doesn't.
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Because he's fiction.
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Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all
fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method
and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
=20
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist.
If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to
be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that
was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
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If he's the god of everything he would have gone everywhere and not
just the middle of fucking nowhere. He would have given them a piece
of land with some fucking oil in the ground. Not that the Israelis
haven't done wonders with the place. Why would he expect a bunch of
mostly illiterates to be trustworthy enough to carry his word to the
rest of the world and why the fuck does he not just do it himself the
lazy bastard. Why go through all the bullshit of making yourself
into your son, hiding him out for 30 years and then killing
yourself? >
Why not just show up everywhere and tell everybody. All at once. In
their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this
omnipotence idea. Either that or he's just lazy.
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Quite so. See above...
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And to be honest, if such a god existed (which I do not believe), I=20
would much prefer it to not act. Why deliver all the goodies into our=20
laps? How boring would that be! No achievement, no triumph of=20
overcoming obstacles, no growth. Imagine a life where everything was=20
catered for, where there was no need for human ingenuity, no need for=20
grit, no need for dedication or perseverance or sacrifice. Now that=20
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Your ignorance of Judaism and Christianity is glaring.
The liar understands perfectly well that we know all we need to,
aboutit, from the appalling behaviour of Mad Joe and his fellow
religious loonies towards us.
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human affairs.
Idiot.
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How can a fictional character micromanage anything in the real world?
He believes the fiction, so that m,akes it so - and he imagines
claiming it as fact is exempt from the burden of proof.
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of
evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able
to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him.
End of story.
Why is omniscience a consequence of omnipotence?
To use a crude comparison: the US may have the capability of utterly
destroying the North Korean regime (omnipotence) but they may not have
the knowledge to either target their weapons with perfect precision or
correctly predict the consequences (omniscience).
The second problem is that omnipotence and omniscience both do not imply
the will to act. IOW, a god may know what will happen and may have the
ability to act on this knowledge, but may not have the desire to do so.
By this argument, such defining characteristics prove nothing either way.
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We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty God would know.
But he doesn't.
Because he's fiction.
Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all
fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method
and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist.
If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to
be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that
was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
Note that human beings are alleged to have been created in the image of
their god. Logically, therefore, this putative god would be anything
but logical or indeed rational -- we are not, after all.
Wait a minute!!!! "Created in the image of God" means that we look like Him physically. It has nothing to do with how we or He behave(s). He has powers and abilities far beyond ours, and he has responsibilities way beyond ours, so it
is ludicrous to expect Him to act like we do.

Cloud Hobbit, as usual, grossly oversimplifies and distorts the religion he hates. He doesn't even have the intellectual honesty or integrity to actually read what Judaism and Christianity say about anything. He just makes up stupid shit, uses it to create a strawman, and then vents his hatred upon something that never existed with arguments that mean nothing in the real world.
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Why would knowing more about religions convince me that belief in imaginary gods is anything other than delusional, Art?

I have known and gotten along well with people from many different faiths and as long as we don't talk about god we are fine.

It is simply impossible for me to think there is any value in beliefs based on magic and fiction.

Theists insist that demands for reason and logic from their God is presumptuous but logic means making sense and I don't believe that applies only to humans.

God as described makes no sense.
The bible makes no sense.
Belief in fiction as if were real makes no sense.

I don't care what anybody believes as long as they are not insisting that lies should be excused because they are in a holy book or because they believe God said it.
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of
evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able
to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him.
End of story.
Why is omniscience a consequence of omnipotence?
To use a crude comparison: the US may have the capability of utterly
destroying the North Korean regime (omnipotence) but they may not have
the knowledge to either target their weapons with perfect precision or
correctly predict the consequences (omniscience).
The second problem is that omnipotence and omniscience both do not imply
the will to act. IOW, a god may know what will happen and may have the
ability to act on this knowledge, but may not have the desire to do so.
By this argument, such defining characteristics prove nothing either way.
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We don't have to know what sort of evidence we need because almighty
God would know.
But he doesn't.
Because he's fiction.
Just like all the Gods that came before or after, they are all
fiction from the minds of people ignorant of the scientific method
and they wanted some way to explain what they couldn't.
It's why nobody ever sees these Gods because they don't really exist.
If the Christian god were real, there would be no reason for him to
be all cryptic and have all kinds of hidden meanings and make it
anything but easy for everyone to understand his requirements.
Instead, we get a piece of crap like the bible that is filled with
stuff that didn't happen and people who didn't exist. Seems to me a
Supreme being would be supremely logical and would understand the
nature of the things he made and would present his law in a way that
was clear to everybody, not just a few tribes in the middle east.
Note that human beings are alleged to have been created in the image of
their god. Logically, therefore, this putative god would be anything
but logical or indeed rational -- we are not, after all.
Wait a minute!!!! "Created in the image of God" means that we look like Him physically. It has nothing to do with how we or He behave(s). He has powers and abilities far beyond ours, and he has responsibilities way beyond ours, so it
is ludicrous to expect Him to act like we do.
Moron...how can you reconcile with the fact this world is being battered by flood, quakes and diseases if your pixie has the powers and abilities far beyond human?????????
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Cloud Hobbit, as usual, grossly oversimplifies and distorts the religion he hates. He doesn't even have the intellectual honesty or integrity to actually read what Judaism and Christianity say about anything. He just makes up stupid shit, uses it to create a strawman, and then vents his hatred upon something that never existed with arguments that mean nothing in the real world.
And you decide to rebel against reality because of your useless religion?
JTEM
2017-08-12 02:22:22 UTC
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So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Free Will: God forcing belief in himself upon everyone.

You're a narcissist, and you're not even slightly
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Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-12 03:23:11 UTC
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So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Free Will: God forcing belief in himself upon everyone.
You're a narcissist, and you're not even slightly
subtle about it.
More irony.
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2017-08-12 09:05:24 UTC
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So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Free Will: God forcing belief in himself upon everyone.
You're a narcissist, and you're not even slightly
subtle about it.
More irony.
You're a narcissist AND you don't know what the
word "Irony" means.





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2017-08-12 17:31:30 UTC
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show up and tell everybody. All at once. In their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this
Actually in one timeline early on in this I did just that, and I am not even deity;

when he shows he can do those things guaranteed.
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2017-08-12 17:37:14 UTC
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show up and tell everybody. All at once. In their own language. god does not seem to have a handle on this
Actually in one timeline early on in this I did just that, and I am not even deity;
when he shows he can do those things guaranteed.
at one point in the early marry go round i had it set to have her be allowed to come to me and wanted to inform the world, guess i got a little carried away.
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2017-08-14 21:04:17 UTC
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Right?
So we may now dispense with the bullshit of not knowing what kind of evidence we would accept as proof of God.
Part of omnipotence is omniscience. An omnipotent God would be able to know what each and every atheist would require as evidence of Him. End of story.
God did. We Christians got the message. You atheist wannabe's reject it.

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