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Once More For the Atheist Idiots
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Joe Bruno
2017-04-18 06:16:45 UTC
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faith

noun
1.
confidence or trust in a person or thing:
faith in another's ability.
2.
belief that is not based on proof:
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion:
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
b***@m.nu
2017-04-18 09:05:33 UTC
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Christopher A. Lee
2017-04-18 13:38:51 UTC
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Faith is a worthless excuse when it makes its ridiculous claims
outside its religion.

Especially when he tries to cop out of "put up or shut up", which
wouldn't even have been demanded if he had the commonsense and
courtesy to keep his beliefs where they belong.
Joe Bruno
2017-04-18 18:34:06 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Faith is a worthless excuse when it makes its ridiculous claims
outside its religion.
Especially when he tries to cop out of "put up or shut up", which
wouldn't even have been demanded if he had the commonsense and
courtesy to keep his beliefs where they belong.
YOu don't keep yours to yourself, asshole. All you say is:"WHAT FUCKING GOD?"
You call people "liar" when they express their beliefs. You're a damn hypocrite.
Practice what you preach, you babbling jackass.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-04-18 19:30:59 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 23:16:45 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno
Post by Joe Bruno
FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Faith is a worthless excuse when it makes its ridiculous claims
outside its religion.
Especially when he tries to cop out of "put up or shut up", which
wouldn't even have been demanded if he had the commonsense and
courtesy to keep his beliefs where they belong.
YOu don't keep yours to yourself, asshole. All you say is:"WHAT FUCKING GOD?"
A question that would not be asked if assholes like you didn't keep shoving your beliefs in our faces.

Do you think atheists normally sit around and discuss why there isn't a god if there aren't any theists around claiming there is?
Post by Joe Bruno
You call people "liar" when they express their beliefs. You're a damn hypocrite.
No we call people liar when they tell lies, the way you do.
Post by Joe Bruno
Practice what you preach, you babbling jackass.
Go find a ng that wants you. We don't and we don't care if you really, really, really believe in god. We don't. Since there has not been any new evidence that could lead someone to think god is real, it will stay disbelieved.

It's assholes like you insist that science is wrong anytime it conflicts with your religion. That's not how things work, you have to use science to demonstrate you are right and they are wrong. None of you has ever been able to do that.

What we get is people claiming Noah's ark was real and that there was a great flood that covered the entire earth when that is just a flat out lie.
We get people who claim that there are questions about ToE when there is no real dissent from Darwin, just a few fundies who refuse to accept a cornerstone of biology. And then there's Bob. He claims to be part of one of the most circular logic religious sects ever invented. They have the catch 22 of you can't know anything about god if you aren't elected. He posts links to video's made by people who at best are stupid and at worst fucking crazy.

You think coming up with things like Kalam proves anything.
aaa believes or claims to believe that cells pray and that he understands philosophy.

The bottom line is that most if not all of you are trolls and nothing more.

The only solution for you, if you are offended by any of the things we say, especially the ones you can not refute, is to either go away or killfile us all.
You won't because you are a troll and an asshole and wouldn't have anybody to play with if you did.
b***@m.nu
2017-04-19 01:58:15 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 23:16:45 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno
Post by Joe Bruno
FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Faith is a worthless excuse when it makes its ridiculous claims
outside its religion.
Especially when he tries to cop out of "put up or shut up", which
wouldn't even have been demanded if he had the commonsense and
courtesy to keep his beliefs where they belong.
YOu don't keep yours to yourself, asshole. All you say is:"WHAT FUCKING GOD?"
A question that would not be asked if assholes like you didn't keep shoving your beliefs in our faces.
Do you think atheists normally sit around and discuss why there isn't a god if there aren't any theists around claiming there is?
Post by Joe Bruno
You call people "liar" when they express their beliefs. You're a damn hypocrite.
No we call people liar when they tell lies, the way you do.
Post by Joe Bruno
Practice what you preach, you babbling jackass.
Go find a ng that wants you.
Maybe it needs to start with finding a life that will agree with its
agenda, because this one does not.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
We don't and we don't care if you really, really, really believe in god. We don't. Since there has not been any new evidence that could lead someone to think god is real, it will stay disbelieved.
It does not, it just says that it does hoping to get a place to kneel
in heaven for all eternity. I mean unless he can say the easter bunny
is real.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
It's assholes like you insist that science is wrong anytime it conflicts with your religion. That's not how things work, you have to use science to demonstrate you are right and they are wrong. None of you has ever been able to do that.
What we get is people claiming Noah's ark was real and that there was a great flood that covered the entire earth when that is just a flat out lie.
We get people who claim that there are questions about ToE when there is no real dissent from Darwin, just a few fundies who refuse to accept a cornerstone of biology. And then there's Bob. He claims to be part of one of the most circular logic religious sects ever invented. They have the catch 22 of you can't know anything about god if you aren't elected. He posts links to video's made by people who at best are stupid and at worst fucking crazy.
You think coming up with things like Kalam proves anything.
aaa believes or claims to believe that cells pray and that he understands philosophy.
AAA is perma ignore on my machine
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The bottom line is that most if not all of you are trolls and nothing more.
yup they are nothing
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The only solution for you, if you are offended by any of the things we say, especially the ones you can not refute, is to either go away or killfile us all.
You won't because you are a troll and an asshole and wouldn't have anybody to play with if you did.
Malte Runz
2017-04-19 10:01:45 UTC
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 12:30:59 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Post by Joe Bruno
You call people "liar" when they express their beliefs. You're a damn hypocrite.
No we call people liar when they tell lies, the way you do.
Joe calls people who never lie, but merely disagree, liars.
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Post by Joe Bruno
Practice what you preach, you babbling jackass.
Go find a ng that wants you. We don't and we don't care if you really, really, really believe in god. We don't. Since there has not been any new evidence that could lead someone to think god is real, it will stay disbelieved.
It's assholes like you insist that science is wrong anytime it conflicts with your religion. That's not how things work, you have to use science to demonstrate you are right and they are wrong. None of you has ever been able to do that.
I think it has finally dawned on them. Why else would they insist that
their own beliefs and feelings are evidence, and that 'the
cosmological argument proves the existence of God'?
Post by Cloud Hobbit
What we get is people claiming Noah's ark was real and that there was a great flood that covered the entire earth when that is just a flat out lie.
We get people who claim that there are questions about ToE when there is no real dissent from Darwin, just a few fundies who refuse to accept a cornerstone of biology. And then there's Bob. He claims to be part of one of the most circular logic religious sects ever invented. They have the catch 22 of you can't know anything about god if you aren't elected. He posts links to video's made by people who at best are stupid and at worst fucking crazy.
You think coming up with things like Kalam proves anything.
To me it proves they know they have no physical evidence.

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Malte Runz
hypatiab7
2017-04-18 20:52:08 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
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faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Faith is a worthless excuse when it makes its ridiculous claims
outside its religion.
Especially when he tries to cop out of "put up or shut up", which
wouldn't even have been demanded if he had the commonsense and
courtesy to keep his beliefs where they belong.
YOu don't keep yours to yourself, asshole. All you say is:"WHAT FUCKING GOD?"
You call people "liar" when they express their beliefs. You're a damn hypocrite.
Practice what you preach, you babbling jackass.
If you believe your lies, they're still lies. Christopher doesn't lie. YOU
lie about him! And everyone knows this. As usual, trolls don't count.
Joe Bruno
2017-04-18 21:14:14 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Faith is a worthless excuse when it makes its ridiculous claims
outside its religion.
Especially when he tries to cop out of "put up or shut up", which
wouldn't even have been demanded if he had the commonsense and
courtesy to keep his beliefs where they belong.
YOu don't keep yours to yourself, asshole. All you say is:"WHAT FUCKING GOD?"
You call people "liar" when they express their beliefs. You're a damn hypocrite.
Practice what you preach, you babbling jackass.
If you believe your lies, they're still lies. Christopher doesn't lie. YOU
lie about him!
https://tinyurl.com/kuc5cu2
Cloud Hobbit
2017-04-20 02:45:56 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 23:16:45 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno
Post by Joe Bruno
FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Faith is a worthless excuse when it makes its ridiculous claims
outside its religion.
Especially when he tries to cop out of "put up or shut up", which
wouldn't even have been demanded if he had the commonsense and
courtesy to keep his beliefs where they belong.
YOu don't keep yours to yourself, asshole. All you say is:"WHAT FUCKING GOD?"
You call people "liar" when they express their beliefs. You're a damn hypocrite.
Practice what you preach, you babbling jackass.
If you believe your lies, they're still lies. Christopher doesn't lie. YOU
lie about him!
https://tinyurl.com/kuc5cu2
Thank you for that admission of guilt.
Christopher A. Lee
2017-04-18 21:32:31 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 23:16:45 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno
Post by Joe Bruno
FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Faith is a worthless excuse when it makes its ridiculous claims
outside its religion.
Especially when he tries to cop out of "put up or shut up", which
wouldn't even have been demanded if he had the commonsense and
courtesy to keep his beliefs where they belong.
YOu don't keep yours to yourself, asshole. All you say is:"WHAT FUCKING GOD?"
Mad Joe knows it's only when the in-your-face morons beg the question.
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You call people "liar" when they express their beliefs. You're a damn hypocrite.
Practice what you preach, you babbling jackass.
The proven serial liar knows I only call people liars when they lie,
usually about us to us - at which point, they have made it personal.
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If you believe your lies, they're still lies. Christopher doesn't lie. YOU
lie about him! And everyone knows this. As usual, trolls don't count.
Remind me again, who was it who claimed to have been a criminal
prosecutor in the navy?

Who is it who screams "liar" when presented with evidence from Israeli
and Egyptian archaeologists who conclude that there were no Moses and
no Exodus, and insists that a mention in literature of something
supposed to have happened a thousand years earlier, is somehow
evidence that it did?
b***@m.nu
2017-04-19 01:25:41 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Faith is a worthless excuse when it makes its ridiculous claims
outside its religion.
Especially when he tries to cop out of "put up or shut up", which
wouldn't even have been demanded if he had the commonsense and
courtesy to keep his beliefs where they belong.
YOu don't keep yours to yourself, asshole. All you say is:"WHAT FUCKING GOD?"
You call people "liar" when they express their beliefs. You're a damn hypocrite.
Practice what you preach, you babbling jackass.
Hey jar jar binks.. you make no fucking sense.
Christopher A. Lee
2017-04-19 01:59:54 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Faith is a worthless excuse when it makes its ridiculous claims
outside its religion.
Especially when he tries to cop out of "put up or shut up", which
wouldn't even have been demanded if he had the commonsense and
courtesy to keep his beliefs where they belong.
YOu don't keep yours to yourself, asshole. All you say is:"WHAT FUCKING GOD?"
Liar.

Remind me again, who is the intruder here, stalking atheists and
religiously harassing them?

If we went to the various religious groups and behave there the way he
does here towards us, then he would have something to complain about.

But we don't.

He pretends that he doesn't understand that this is an atheist
newsgroup, set up by atheists for atheists to discuss our own
business.

Where we keep our atheism within the group, yet he pretends we should
keep quiet in the face of deliberately rude, deliberately stupid
theists like him who come here to attack us.

Any theist intruder simply reaps what he sows.

I only say "WHAT FUCKING GOD" to stupid, rude theists who know
atheists aren't Christians but beg the question by talking _at_ us as
if their god were as "real" for us as it is for them.

It shows them and their beliefs the same contempt they initially show
us.

What have they ever done to earn the courtesy and respect they never
show us?

Why should we put up with it like Uncle Toms?

It's called "reaping what they sow" - after which they turn into
whining hypocrites and even bigger liars.

Like Mad Joe just did.
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You call people "liar" when they express their beliefs. You're a damn hypocrite.
Another lie.

I and others call them liars when they lie, and it's usually their
personal lies about us, to us.

Remind me, again, who was it who pretended he had been a criminal
prosecutor in the navy, to lend himself bogus authority for what
anybody with more than half a brain could see was complete nonsense?

That was a lie.

The word for somebody who lies, is "liar".

So that makes Mad Joe a liar.

And having lied so routinely, he should not whine when he it treated
as one.
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Practice what you preach, you babbling jackass.
Mad Joe and the other in-your-face, rude, stupid theists simply reap
what they sow.
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Hey jar jar binks.. you make no fucking sense.
Has it ever?
hypatiab7
2017-04-18 20:25:38 UTC
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faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Faith is a worthless excuse when it makes its ridiculous claims
outside its religion.
Especially when he tries to cop out of "put up or shut up", which
wouldn't even have been demanded if he had the commonsense and
courtesy to keep his beliefs where they belong.
You, Joe Bruno (Arthur Tandy) are posting in an atheist newsgroup
called alt.atheism and pushing your religion constantly. We atheist
can post anything here that we want to (and we don't always agree
with each other). When it comes to atheism itself, we can also post
whatever we want to. Religious proselytizing, on the other hand, is
unwelcome and against our newsgroup FAQ/Charter. If you don't like
learning about atheism in an atheist newsgroup, go to a non-
religious newsgroup and see if their response is any different than
ours. Your only reasons for being in alt.atheism is that you
baselessly hate atheists, plus you need to get attention for all the
lies and nasty things you write. None of us invade Jewish newsgroups.
If any of our messages end up in any kind of religious newsgroup, it
is due to trolls like you cross-posting our responses to your messages.
Go right ahead and start screaming Same old Same old. People recognize
your nonsense all over the Internet.
Kurt Nicklas
2017-04-18 18:14:08 UTC
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Why would you make such silly claims as this?

Don't you realize how it makes you sound like an idiot?
Joe Bruno
2017-04-18 18:38:13 UTC
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faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Why would you make such silly claims as this?
Don't you realize how it makes you sound like an idiot?
That idiot still thinks I'm a Christian? He has the IQ of a carrot.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-04-18 20:34:50 UTC
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faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Why would you make such silly claims as this?
Don't you realize how it makes you sound like an idiot?
That idiot still thinks I'm a Christian? He has the IQ of a carrot.
If you talk like a Christian, act like a Christian, chances are people will tink you are a Christian.

You are the only person I have ever heard of who is both Jewish and anti-evolution, aside from Ben Stein.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_evolution
The Rabbinical Council of America (RCA) has "maintained that evolutionary theory, properly understood, is not incompatible with belief in a Divine Creator, nor with the first 2 chapters of Genesis."[19] Prominent Orthodox rabbis who have affirmed that the world is older, and that life has evolved over time include Israel Lipschitz, Sholom Mordechai Schwadron[citation needed] (the MaHaRSHaM) (1835–1911), Zvi Hirsch Chajes (1805–1855) and Abraham Isaac Kook (1865–1935). These rabbis proposed their own versions of theistic evolution, in which the world is older, and that life does evolve over time in accord with natural law, painting natural law as the process by which God drives the world.

Many Conservative Rabbis embrace the term theistic evolution, and reject the term intelligent design.[citation needed] Conservative rabbis who use the term intelligent design in their sermons often distinguish their views from the Christian use of the term. Like most in the scientific community, they understand "intelligent design" to be a technique by Christians to insert religion into public schools, as admitted in the Intelligent design movement's "wedge strategy".

The Central Conference of American Rabbis is opposed to the teaching of creationism in public schools,[20] as is the Rabbinical Assembly.[21]

Conservative Judaism strongly supports the use of science as the proper way to learn about the physical world in which we live, and thus encourages its adherents to find a way to understand evolution in a way that does not contradict the findings of scientific research. The tension between accepting God's role in the world and the findings of science, however, is not resolved, and a wide array of views exists. Some mainstream examples of Conservative Jewish thought are as follows:

Professor Ismar Schorsch, former chancellor of the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, writes that:

The Torah's story of creation is not intended as a scientific treatise, worthy of equal time with Darwin's theory of evolution in the curriculum of our public schools. The notes it strikes in its sparse and majestic narrative offer us an orientation to the Torah's entire religious worldview and value system. Creation is taken up first not because the subject has chronological priority but rather to ground basic religious beliefs in the very nature of things. And I would argue that their power is quite independent of the scientific context in which they were first enunciated.

Rabbi David J. Fine, who has authorized official responsa for the Conservative movement's Committee on Jewish Law and Standards, expresses a common Conservative Jewish view on the subject:

Conservative Judaism has always been premised on the total embrace of critical inquiry and science. More than being compatible with Conservative Judaism, I would say that it is a mitzvah to learn about the world and the way it works to the best of our abilities, since that is to marvel with awe at God's handiwork. To not do so is sinful.
But here's where the real question lies. Did God create the world, or not? Is it God's handiwork? Many of the people who accept evolution, even many scientists, believe in what is called "theistic evolution," that is, that behind the billions of years of cosmic and biological evolution, there is room for belief in a creator, God, who set everything into motion, and who stands outside the universe as the cause and reason for life. The difference between that and "intelligent design" is subtle yet significant. Believing scientists claim that belief in God is not incompatible with studying evolution since science looks only for the natural explanations for phenomena. The proponents of intelligent design, on the other hand, deny the ability to explain life on earth through solely natural explanations. That difference, while subtle, is determinative.
David J. Fine, Intelligent Design

Rabbi Michael Schwab writes:

...the Jewish view on the first set of questions is much closer to the picture painted by adherents to intelligent design than to those who are strict Darwinians. Judaism, as a religion, and certainly Conservative Judaism, sees creation as a purposeful process directed by God, however each individual defines the Divine. This is clearly in consonance with the theory of Intelligent Design. What Darwin sees as random, we see as the miraculous and natural unfolding of God’s subtle and beautiful plan.
...However, as unlikely as it may seem, this does not mean for one moment that Judaism’s view rejects wholesale the veracity of Darwin’s theory. In fact, I believe that it is easy to incorporate Darwin and Intelligent design into a meaningful conception of how we humans came into being...
We have frameworks built into our system to integrate the findings of science into our religious and theological beliefs. That is because we believe that the natural world, and the way it works, was created by God and therefore its workings must be consistent with our religious beliefs.
...One of the most well known ways our tradition has been able to hold onto both the scientific theory of evolution as well as the concept of a purposeful creation was by reading the creation story in Genesis in a more allegorical sense. One famous medieval commentary proclaims that the days of creation, as outlined in the book of Bereshit, could be seen as representative of the stages of creation and not literal 24 hour periods. Thus each Biblical day could have accounted for thousands or even millions of years. In that way the progression according to both evolution and the Torah remains essentially the same: first the elements were created, then the waters, the plants, the animals, and finally us. Therefore, Genesis and Darwin can both be right in a factual analysis even while we acknowledge that our attitudes towards these shared facts are shaped much more strongly by the Torah – we agree how the process unfolded but disagree that it was random.

It doesn't matter to me what you believe, I'm more interested in the stupid shit you say and why you choose to look like an idiot.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have
faith in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is
also the muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god
that
has ever existed is also the belief in any and every mythological
and fictional creature that has ever existed
Why would you make such silly claims as this?
Don't you realize how it makes you sound like an idiot?
That idiot still thinks I'm a Christian? He has the IQ of a carrot.
If you talk like a Christian, act like a Christian, chances are
people will tink you are a Christian.
You are the only person I have ever heard of who is both Jewish and
anti-evolution, aside from Ben Stein.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_evolution
The Rabbinical Council of America (RCA) has "maintained that
evolutionary theory, properly understood, is not incompatible with
belief in a Divine Creator, nor with the first 2 chapters of
Genesis."[19] Prominent Orthodox rabbis who have affirmed that the
world is older, and that life has evolved over time include Israel
Lipschitz, Sholom Mordechai Schwadron[citation needed] (the
MaHaRSHaM) (1835–1911), Zvi Hirsch Chajes (1805–1855) and Abraham
Isaac Kook (1865–1935). These rabbis proposed their own versions of
theistic evolution, in which the world is older, and that life does
evolve over time in accord with natural law, painting natural law as
the process by which God drives the world.
Many Conservative Rabbis embrace the term theistic evolution, and
reject the term intelligent design.[citation needed] Conservative
rabbis who use the term intelligent design in their sermons often
distinguish their views from the Christian use of the term. Like
most
in the scientific community, they understand "intelligent design" to
be a technique by Christians to insert religion into public schools,
as admitted in the Intelligent design movement's "wedge strategy".
The Central Conference of American Rabbis is opposed to the teaching
of creationism in public schools,[20] as is the Rabbinical
Assembly.[21]
Conservative Judaism strongly supports the use of science as the
proper way to learn about the physical world in which we live, and
thus encourages its adherents to find a way to understand evolution
in a way that does not contradict the findings of scientific
research. The tension between accepting God's role in the world and
the findings of science, however, is not resolved, and a wide array
of views exists. Some mainstream examples of Conservative Jewish
Professor Ismar Schorsch, former chancellor of the Jewish
Theological
The Torah's story of creation is not intended as a scientific
treatise, worthy of equal time with Darwin's theory of evolution in
the curriculum of our public schools. The notes it strikes in its
sparse and majestic narrative offer us an orientation to the Torah's
entire religious worldview and value system. Creation is taken up
first not because the subject has chronological priority but rather
to ground basic religious beliefs in the very nature of things. And
I
would argue that their power is quite independent of the scientific
context in which they were first enunciated.
Rabbi David J. Fine, who has authorized official responsa for the
Conservative movement's Committee on Jewish Law and Standards,
Conservative Judaism has always been premised on the total
embrace of critical inquiry and science. More than being compatible
with Conservative Judaism, I would say that it is a mitzvah to learn
about the world and the way it works to the best of our abilities,
since that is to marvel with awe at God's handiwork. To not do so is
sinful.
But here's where the real question lies. Did God create the
world, or not? Is it God's handiwork? Many of the people who accept
evolution, even many scientists, believe in what is called "theistic
evolution," that is, that behind the billions of years of cosmic and
biological evolution, there is room for belief in a creator, God,
who
set everything into motion, and who stands outside the universe as
the cause and reason for life. The difference between that and
"intelligent design" is subtle yet significant. Believing scientists
claim that belief in God is not incompatible with studying evolution
since science looks only for the natural explanations for phenomena.
The proponents of intelligent design, on the other hand, deny the
ability to explain life on earth through solely natural
explanations.
That difference, while subtle, is determinative.
David J. Fine, Intelligent Design
...the Jewish view on the first set of questions is much closer
to the picture painted by adherents to intelligent design than to
those who are strict Darwinians. Judaism, as a religion, and
certainly Conservative Judaism, sees creation as a purposeful
process
directed by God, however each individual defines the Divine. This is
clearly in consonance with the theory of Intelligent Design. What
Darwin sees as random, we see as the miraculous and natural
unfolding
of God’s subtle and beautiful plan.
...However, as unlikely as it may seem, this does not mean for
one moment that Judaism’s view rejects wholesale the veracity of
Darwin’s theory. In fact, I believe that it is easy to incorporate
Darwin and Intelligent design into a meaningful conception of how we
humans came into being...
We have frameworks built into our system to integrate the
findings of science into our religious and theological beliefs. That
is because we believe that the natural world, and the way it works,
was created by God and therefore its workings must be consistent
with
our religious beliefs.
...One of the most well known ways our tradition has been able
to
hold onto both the scientific theory of evolution as well as the
concept of a purposeful creation was by reading the creation story
in
Genesis in a more allegorical sense. One famous medieval commentary
proclaims that the days of creation, as outlined in the book of
Bereshit, could be seen as representative of the stages of creation
and not literal 24 hour periods. Thus each Biblical day could have
accounted for thousands or even millions of years. In that way the
progression according to both evolution and the Torah remains
essentially the same: first the elements were created, then the
waters, the plants, the animals, and finally us. Therefore, Genesis
and Darwin can both be right in a factual analysis even while we
acknowledge that our attitudes towards these shared facts are shaped
much more strongly by the Torah – we agree how the process unfolded
but disagree that it was random.
It doesn't matter to me what you believe, I'm more interested in the
stupid shit you say and why you choose to look like an idiot.
and i stand and applaud
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IOW you have no rebuttal, and you know it. We all know it.
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https://tinyurl.com/kw9jvq6
IOW you have no rebuttal, and you know it. We all know it.
How would this psychopath and narcissist like it if people posted
"Once more for the Jewish idiots" in a Jewish group, or "Once more for
the Christian idiots" in a Christian group?
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https://tinyurl.com/kw9jvq6
IOW you have no rebuttal, and you know it. We all know it.
How would this psychopath and narcissist like it if people posted
"Once more for the Jewish idiots" in a Jewish group, or "Once more for
the Christian idiots" in a Christian group?
ROTFL! This comes from the hypocrite who calls people "serial liars" and "mentally ill" and "moron" and "idiot".
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Post by Joe Bruno
https://tinyurl.com/kw9jvq6
IOW you have no rebuttal, and you know it. We all know it.
How would this psychopath and narcissist like it if people posted
"Once more for the Jewish idiots" in a Jewish group, or "Once more for
the Christian idiots" in a Christian group?
ROTFL! This comes from the hypocrite who calls people "serial liars"
What would you call people who repeatedly tell lies?

and "mentally ill" and "moron" and "idiot".

What do think we should call people who continuously claim that the nonexistent is real?
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Post by Joe Bruno
https://tinyurl.com/kw9jvq6
IOW you have no rebuttal, and you know it. We all know it.
How would this psychopath and narcissist like it if people posted
"Once more for the Jewish idiots" in a Jewish group, or "Once more
for the Christian idiots" in a Christian group?
ROTFL! This comes from the hypocrite who calls people "serial liars"
What would you call people who repeatedly tell lies?
Theists.
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and "mentally ill" and "moron" and "idiot".
What do think we should call people who continuously claim that the nonexistent is real?
You're asking ArtyJoe to _think_??????????
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All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
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Post by Joe Bruno
https://tinyurl.com/kw9jvq6
IOW you have no rebuttal, and you know it. We all know it.
How would this psychopath and narcissist like it if people posted
"Once more for the Jewish idiots" in a Jewish group, or "Once more
for the Christian idiots" in a Christian group?
ROTFL! This comes from the hypocrite who calls people "serial liars"
Only when they are. Which is usually when they lie about atheists, to
atheists, or lie about science when they have been created.

In addition, Mad Joe lies about himself, both for self-aggrandisement
because he is a narcissist and to try and give himself bogus authority
for transparent nonsense.
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What would you call people who repeatedly tell lies?
Theists.
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Post by Joe Bruno
and "mentally ill" and "moron" and "idiot".
Only when they are either of these.

Mad Joe is clearly mentally ill. After all, he is a troll who loses
his temper when he reaps what he sows, and another example was his
ridiculous quizzes where questions weren't valid and he got his own
answers wrong.
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What do think we should call people who continuously claim that the nonexistent is real?
You're asking ArtyJoe to _think_??????????
There is no evidence that he can.

Face it, he imagines that a mention in literature a thousand years
after the alleged events,are somehow evidence for Moses and the
Exodus.
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Post by Joe Bruno
https://tinyurl.com/kw9jvq6
IOW you have no rebuttal, and you know it. We all know it.
How would this psychopath and narcissist like it if people posted
"Once more for the Jewish idiots" in a Jewish group, or "Once more
for the Christian idiots" in a Christian group?
ROTFL! This comes from the hypocrite who calls people "serial liars"
Only when they are. Which is usually when they lie about atheists, to
atheists, or lie about science when they have been created.
In addition, Mad Joe lies about himself, both for self-aggrandisement
because he is a narcissist and to try and give himself bogus authority
for transparent nonsense.
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What would you call people who repeatedly tell lies?
Theists.
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Post by Joe Bruno
and "mentally ill" and "moron" and "idiot".
Only when they are either of these.
Mad Joe is clearly mentally ill. After all, he is a troll who loses
his temper when he reaps what he sows, and another example was his
ridiculous quizzes where questions weren't valid and he got his own
answers wrong.
There you go again. Labeling something you cannot grasp as mentally ill. You are ignorant as to what it is like to be mentally ill. Stop it, Christopher Lee. You are acting like a babbling idiot, the kind you despise.
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What do think we should call people who continuously claim that the
nonexistent is real?
You're asking ArtyJoe to _think_??????????
There is no evidence that he can.
Face it, he imagines that a mention in literature a thousand years
after the alleged events,are somehow evidence for Moses and the
Exodus.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Why would you make such silly claims as this?
Don't you realize how it makes you sound like an idiot?
That idiot still thinks I'm a Christian? He has the IQ of a carrot.
We know you're Jewish. You're just about the worst example there is.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Why would you make such silly claims as this?
Don't you realize how it makes you sound like an idiot?
What silly claim, Cunt?
Just refute without providing a correction or right information is amounting to trolling...
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
Is it a wonder that all the fake gods are punching and fighting one another in their LaLaLand while human are also having religious persecution, killing and wars?
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Thing about this one is if you have faith in one you must have faith
in them all. Your christian god is also the jewish god is also the
muslim god is also the greek gods is also every god that has ever
existed is also the belief in any and every mythological and fictional
creature that has ever existed
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faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.

Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.

Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.

Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.

I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.

That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.

There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.

Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound, he'd go sky diving without a chute just to prove the point.
A big hand would surely come down out of the sky and save his ass,
proving that his god exists. ooooooops. Guess not.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
Your lord and master? Wow! You're more pathetic than I ever thought you were.
You worship a dictator. You're not allowed to think for yourself. Why didn't
your 'God' prevent Hitler from being born? Anything you say here to defend
your 'God' for allowing Hitler to exist will make you sound like a Nazi. Now,
can you answer the question without running away like a coward? And, if you
say that you don't have to answer the question, it will reveal you for the
mindless coward you are to everyone (trolls included)in alt.atheism and
everyone in all the newsgroups you and other trolls have cross-posted this message to.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity.
What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing
things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence
based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept
dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge,
those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more
information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for
living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the
search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder
if
there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing.
Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally
gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for
its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still
leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an
omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as
well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that
happened
400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the
kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to
worship
a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem
that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to
tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not
realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an
omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the
Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit,
fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with
some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all
this "faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him
safe and sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is
NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and
we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't
read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
Your lord and master? Wow! You're more pathetic than I ever thought you were.
You worship a dictator. You're not allowed to think for yourself.
Why
didn't
your 'God' prevent Hitler from being born? Anything you say here to defend
your 'God' for allowing Hitler to exist will make you sound like a Nazi. Now,
can you answer the question without running away like a coward? And, if you
say that you don't have to answer the question, it will reveal you for the
mindless coward you are to everyone (trolls included)in alt.atheism and
everyone in all the newsgroups you and other trolls have
cross-posted
this message to.
don't speak for me and most news group posters don't care ,
the things that happen in usenet aren't high on their lists ,
at least not as high as they are for you
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity.
What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing
things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence
based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept
dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge,
those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more
information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for
living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the
search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder
if
there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing.
Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally
gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for
its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still
leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an
omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as
well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that
happened
400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the
kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to
worship
a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem
that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to
tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not
realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an
omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the
Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit,
fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with
some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all
this "faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him
safe and sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is
NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and
we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't
read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
Your lord and master? Wow! You're more pathetic than I ever thought you were.
You worship a dictator. You're not allowed to think for yourself.
Why
didn't
your 'God' prevent Hitler from being born? Anything you say here to defend
your 'God' for allowing Hitler to exist will make you sound like a Nazi. Now,
can you answer the question without running away like a coward? And, if you
say that you don't have to answer the question, it will reveal you for the
mindless coward you are to everyone (trolls included)in alt.atheism and
everyone in all the newsgroups you and other trolls have
cross-posted
this message to.
don't speak for me
I say hyp.7 can speak for you. So you can shut up, muncho mug.
John Locke
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Post by Joe Bruno
FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
...you're enslaved an imaginary, tyrannical god ? Even a carrot would
know that something's really off with that picture.
Joe Bruno
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Post by Joe Bruno
FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
...you're enslaved an imaginary, tyrannical god ? Even a carrot would
know that something's really off with that picture.
And you are trying to interfere in our lives, asshole. We decide what we want
to believe and you have no say in the matter.
John Locke
2017-04-19 02:03:08 UTC
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
...you're enslaved an imaginary, tyrannical god ? Even a carrot would
know that something's really off with that picture.
And you are trying to interfere in our lives, asshole. We decide what we want
to believe and you have no say in the matter.
...of course not Mad Arty...no one is telling you what to believe
but we're certainly free to comment on the ridiculous nature of
religion and to respond to outlandish theist claims.
Christopher A. Lee
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
...you're enslaved an imaginary, tyrannical god ? Even a carrot would
know that something's really off with that picture.
And you are trying to interfere in our lives, asshole. We decide what we want
to believe and you have no say in the matter.
What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.

If he hadn't been stalking and religiously harassing us for years,
nobody would give a flying fuck about him - and it's his behaviour
which is the issue, not his beliefs.
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...of course not Mad Arty...no one is telling you what to believe
but we're certainly free to comment on the ridiculous nature of
religion and to respond to outlandish theist claims.
He can't tell the difference.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
...you're enslaved an imaginary, tyrannical god ? Even a carrot would
know that something's really off with that picture.
And you are trying to interfere in our lives, asshole. We decide what we want
to believe and you have no say in the matter.
What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
If he hadn't been stalking.... us for years,
Stalking is a crime. Call the police.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
...you're enslaved an imaginary, tyrannical god ? Even a carrot would
know that something's really off with that picture.
And you are trying to interfere in our lives, asshole. We decide what we want
to believe ...
So you could, if you decided, believe that Thor is responsible for
thunder?
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... and you have no say in the matter.
Somebody had, and it wasn't you.
--
Malte Runz
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
...you're enslaved an imaginary, tyrannical god ? Even a carrot would
know that something's really off with that picture.
And you are trying to interfere in our lives, asshole. We decide what we want
to believe ...
And there's another example why "all atheists do, is call people
liars"- it's because so many theists come hare and lie about us to our
faces, like Mad Joe who does this routinely.

Nobody is trying to interfere in his life.

In fact, that is what he has been doing here for years.
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So you could, if you decided, believe that Thor is responsible for
thunder?
Post by Joe Bruno
... and you have no say in the matter.
He's insane.
Post by John Locke
Somebody had, and it wasn't you.
Religion makes people psychopathic, narcissistic, stupid and ignorant.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
...you're enslaved an imaginary, tyrannical god ? Even a carrot would
know that something's really off with that picture.
And you are trying to interfere in our lives, asshole. We decide what we want
to believe ...
And there's another example why "all atheists do, is call people
liars"- it's because so many theists come hare and lie about us to our
faces, like Mad Joe who does this routinely.
Its regular posting of "C" does not get enough attention so it has
started with the threads - "proof <insert name> is a liar" just don't
tell it that D comes after c because then we will have more wasted
virtual space.
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Nobody is trying to interfere in his life.
In fact, that is what he has been doing here for years.
Post by John Locke
So you could, if you decided, believe that Thor is responsible for
thunder?
Post by Joe Bruno
... and you have no say in the matter.
He's insane.
Post by John Locke
Somebody had, and it wasn't you.
Religion makes people psychopathic, narcissistic, stupid and ignorant.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
...you're enslaved an imaginary, tyrannical god ? Even a carrot would
know that something's really off with that picture.
And you are trying to interfere in our lives, asshole. We decide what we want
to believe ...
No he is where he belongs, you are not. So it is you that is trying
to interfere, and no you don't decide, you are a slave and you are
told what to believe and how much money you should give and how much
of you life you have to waste.
Post by John Locke
So you could, if you decided, believe that Thor is responsible for
thunder?
Post by Joe Bruno
... and you have no say in the matter.
Somebody had, and it wasn't you.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. ...
That's horrible! If God demanded you to suck a bag of dicks would you
do it? Would you swallow?
... I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
I must admit it's hard to believe that some people choose to live like
that.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. ...
That's horrible! If God demanded you to suck a bag of dicks would you
do it? Would you swallow?
... I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
I must admit it's hard to believe that some people choose to live like
that.
This is exactly why I have said that all theists are retarded.
Joe Bruno
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound
I don't believe any such thing, you idiot. The God of the Jews is NOT "loving and caring". He is our Lord and master. He commands and we obey. ...
That's horrible! If God demanded you to suck a bag of dicks would you
do it? Would you swallow?
... I've only explained this about 10 times. Either you can't read or you have the IQ of a carrot.
I must admit it's hard to believe that some people choose to live like
that.
This is exactly why I have said that all theists are retarded.
FAMOUS SCIENTISTS WHO BELIEVED IN GOD

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound, he'd go sky diving without a chute just to prove the point.
A big hand would surely come down out of the sky and save his ass,
proving that his god exists. ooooooops. Guess not.
This is the real test of "faith"!!!
However, to be fair, not all theists would like sky diving, how about leaving Mad Joe in the middle of an ocean all by himself?
John Locke
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound, he'd go sky diving without a chute just to prove the point.
A big hand would surely come down out of the sky and save his ass,
proving that his god exists. ooooooops. Guess not.
This is the real test of "faith"!!!
However, to be fair, not all theists would like sky diving, how about leaving Mad Joe in the middle of an ocean all by himself?
...it's against International Law to dump toxic waste in the ocean !
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound, he'd go sky diving without a chute just to prove the point.
A big hand would surely come down out of the sky and save his ass,
proving that his god exists. ooooooops. Guess not.
This is the real test of "faith"!!!
However, to be fair, not all theists would like sky diving, how about leaving Mad Joe in the middle of an ocean all by himself?
...it's against International Law to dump toxic waste in the ocean !
If stupidity were a crime, you'd be serving a life sentence.
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FROM DICTIONARY.COM
faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound, he'd go sky diving without a chute just to prove the point.
A big hand would surely come down out of the sky and save his ass,
proving that his god exists. ooooooops. Guess not.
This is the real test of "faith"!!!
However, to be fair, not all theists would like sky diving, how about leaving Mad Joe in the middle of an ocean all by himself?
...it's against International Law to dump toxic waste in the ocean !
If stupidity were a crime, you'd be serving a life sentence.
We know who are the real stupid ones here, no doubt!
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faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
And since evidence is not required for faith it is stupidity. What most people mean when they use the word faith in discussing things other than religion is confidence. They have confidence based on some kind of evidence. Religious faith means you accept dogma. You refuse to fill in the missing gaps in your knowledge, those things you took on faith. You never try to get any more information, you just give up. That's not a healthy M. O. for living a decent life.
Information is power and the fact that religion discourages the search for information is why we had the Dark Ages.
Discussing a god in abstract terms is one thing, those I wonder if there's a parallel universe kind of conversations, is one thing. Claiming there's a being somewhere/everywhere that personally gives a shit about us and has no shred of legitimate evidence for its existence as true and real is beyond silly.
Even if we put aside the whole Moses/Exodus thing that still leaves a whole lot of fiction.
I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the words of an omnipotent god to be not only clear and precise but rational as well. Saying to kill an entire people for something that happened 400 years ago seems to me to be just a tad too pissy. Not the kind of entity I would freely choose to worship.
That's another thing, worship. What the fuck do I need to worship a god for? Is this entity so insecure and lacking in self-esteem that he needs what to him must be a lower life form, for us to tell him how great he is? If an omnipotent entity does not realize that it is the greatest thing around then it is not an omnipotent entity, it's just another schmuck with too much power.
There simply is no way you can objectively examine the Judeo/Christian faiths and not think it's anything but bullshit, fleshed out with a bit of history and some poetry.
Let's be real, there's been more than enough time to come up with some evidence of this supposed deity and there is none.
...just a little theory of mine. You'd think that if Arty had all this
"faith" in a loving, caring, all-powerful god who keeps him safe and
sound, he'd go sky diving without a chute just to prove the point.
A big hand would surely come down out of the sky and save his ass,
proving that his god exists. ooooooops. Guess not.
This is the real test of "faith"!!!
However, to be fair, not all theists would like sky diving, how about leaving Mad Joe in the middle of an ocean all by himself?
...it's against International Law to dump toxic waste in the ocean !
Oh sorry, I have not thought of that....
Saint Else Ware
2017-04-18 18:16:11 UTC
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Atheists aren't idiots, they have just had a contrived and controlled discussion.
Yap Honghor
2017-04-19 01:07:03 UTC
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Atheists aren't idiots, they have just had a contrived and controlled discussion.
You should ask Mad Joe to have the guts to do tests on his faith!
We should be wary of his habit of bullying the weak only...
Davej
2017-04-18 18:22:13 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
Joe Bruno
2017-04-18 18:38:50 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
What ya gonna do when I refuse?
hypatiab7
2017-04-18 21:46:25 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
What ya gonna do when I refuse?
Thank you for admitting that you're a masochist.
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2017-04-18 21:52:22 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
What ya gonna do when I refuse?
Thank you for admitting that you're a masochist.
that's all your going to do
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2017-04-19 09:44:07 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
What ya gonna do when I refuse?
Thank you for admitting that you're a masochist.
that's all your going to do
"your" LOL! You're an illiterate fluffer gimp, muncho mug.
Yap Honghor
2017-04-19 01:11:17 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
What ya gonna do when I refuse?
Well, kick your ass, bloody your nose, make meatball out of you, or just splash you with sewage...plenty of other options too.
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2017-04-18 18:56:46 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
You seem to care very much about it.

Why is that?
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2017-04-18 19:05:34 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
You seem to care very much about it.
Why is that?
Projecting much, Kurt? Go away.
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2017-04-18 19:40:10 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
You seem to care very much about it.
Why is that?
Projecting much, Kurt? Go away.
I didn't see you doing very well on any of my quizzes.Matter of fact, you were unable to answer any of the questions.Who is the "empty head?"
hypatiab7
2017-04-18 21:56:02 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
You seem to care very much about it.
Why is that?
Projecting much, Kurt? Go away.
I didn't see you doing very well on any of my quizzes.Matter of fact, you were unable to answer any of the questions.Who is the "empty head?"
Your quizzes were not asked for and you goof up on them yourself. You
keep repeating a comment that always backfires on you. Are you really that
dumb or do you enjoy sounding stupid?
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2017-04-18 22:23:44 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
You seem to care very much about it.
Why is that?
Projecting much, Kurt? Go away.
I didn't see you doing very well on any of my quizzes.Matter of fact, you were unable to answer any of the questions.Who is the "empty head?"
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ROTFLMFAO! I've had you killfiled for years, dumbass, so I haven't
*seen* any of your questions. Stop trying to bullshit your way through
life, Artie, you aren't smart enough for it.
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Your quizzes were not asked for and you goof up on them yourself. You
keep repeating a comment that always backfires on you. Are you really that
dumb or do you enjoy sounding stupid?
He's really that dumb.
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2017-04-18 23:14:29 UTC
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:56:46 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
You seem to care very much about it.
Why is that?
Projecting much, Kurt? Go away.
I didn't see you doing very well on any of my quizzes.Matter of fact, you were unable to answer any of the questions.Who is the "empty head?"
Your quizzes were not asked for and you goof up on them yourself. You
keep repeating a comment that always backfires on you. Are you really that
dumb or do you enjoy sounding stupid?
Yes.
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2017-04-19 01:40:12 UTC
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 14:56:02 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:56:46 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
You seem to care very much about it.
Why is that?
Projecting much, Kurt? Go away.
I didn't see you doing very well on any of my quizzes.Matter of fact, you were unable to answer any of the questions.Who is the "empty head?"
Your quizzes were not asked for and you goof up on them yourself. You
keep repeating a comment that always backfires on you. Are you really that
dumb or do you enjoy sounding stupid?
Yes.
https://tinyurl.com/l952nsn
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2017-04-19 01:41:18 UTC
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On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 2:56:05 PM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:



https://tinyurl.com/kuc5cu2
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On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 2:56:05 PM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:


https://tinyurl.com/kuc5cu2
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2017-04-19 12:30:15 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
You seem to care very much about it.
Why is that?
Projecting much, Kurt? Go away.
Why?
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2017-04-18 21:52:13 UTC
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Nobody cares if you believe in Santa, Allah, or Elvis. Go away.
You seem to care very much about it.
Why is that?
Because this is an atheist newsgroup. You mean that you haven't figured that out yet? Oh, my, you seem to have come down with Johnboi cooties.
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2017-04-24 04:53:40 UTC
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faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
Christopher A. Lee
2017-04-24 14:45:57 UTC
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faith
noun
1.
faith in another's ability.
2.
He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
SO FUCKING WHAT?

How does that exempt the religious from "put up or shut up" when they
make claims outside their religion?

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