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Cloud Hobbit
2017-11-10 00:06:11 UTC
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I was told that in the Navy, where Art supposedly was, the definition of buddy is different than in the rest of the military.

In the rest of the military (with the possible exception of the Coast Guard) a buddy is simply a guy who you might need to count on in battle or other military duties.

In the Navy a buddy is somebody that goes out and gets a blowjob and then comes back and gives one to his buddy.

Any clarification is welcome.
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2017-11-10 00:14:57 UTC
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2017-11-10 21:16:44 UTC
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Grow up.
Thank you.... What do you call a 78 years old man who sounds like a 12 years old boy? RETARDED
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2017-11-11 10:50:36 UTC
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Grow up.
Thank you.... What do you call a 78 years old man who sounds like a 12 years old boy? RETARDED
What "78 years old man who sounds like a 12 years old boy" are you talking about? I can't think of any 78-year old men in the news.
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Deng Qi Feng
2017-11-11 17:02:01 UTC
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For those who are flexible, they can both kiss their own ass and suck their own cock

It’s a special kind of yoga that can get you so high you see heaven each time

There’s nothing wrong with self gratification

People with such talent will be happier

The world would be a better place if every sex crazed male could give himself a blowjob

Either human males evolve more flexibility or they evolve longer penises for this to happen
Cloud Hobbit
2017-11-11 19:42:09 UTC
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Thank you.... What do you call a 78 years old man who sounds like a 12 years old boy? RETARDED
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Wrong. You call them young at heart.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-11-11 19:45:53 UTC
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Retarded is what you call someone who believes in pixie, gods, and other demonstrably mythical beings.
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2017-11-10 16:52:10 UTC
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I was told that in the Navy, where Art supposedly was, the definition
of buddy is different than in the rest of the military.
In the rest of the military (with the possible exception of the Coast
Guard) a buddy is simply a guy who you might need to count on in
battle or other military duties.
In the Navy a buddy is somebody that goes out and gets a blowjob and
then comes back and gives one to his buddy.
Any clarification is welcome.
You're soooo close. It should be...

In the Navy a buddy is somebody that goes out and gets two blowjobs and
then comes back and give one to his buddy.
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Cloud Hobbit
2017-11-10 21:13:09 UTC
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You're sooo close. It should be...

In the Navy a buddy is somebody that goes out and gets two blowjobs and
then comes back and give one to his buddy.


I stand corrected.
Marvin Sebourn
2017-11-10 23:52:25 UTC
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I was told that in the Navy, where Art supposedly was, the definition
of buddy is different than in the rest of the military.
In the rest of the military (with the possible exception of the Coast
Guard) a buddy is simply a guy who you might need to count on in
battle or other military duties.
In the Navy a buddy is somebody that goes out and gets a blowjob and
then comes back and gives one to his buddy.
Any clarification is welcome.
You're soooo close. It should be...
In the Navy a buddy is somebody that goes out and gets two blowjobs and
then comes back and give one to his buddy.
You're about as close to an accurate answer as Duke is to an accurate answer in solving his pump problem, I.D.

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Marvin Sebourn
2017-11-10 23:49:27 UTC
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I was told that in the Navy, where Art supposedly was, the definition of buddy is different than in the rest of the military.
In the rest of the military (with the possible exception of the Coast Guard) a buddy is simply a guy who you might need to count on in battle or other military duties.
In the Navy a buddy is somebody that goes out and gets a blowjob and then comes back and gives one to his buddy.
Any clarification is welcome.
JTEM's "Grow up" is the best comment so far in this thread.

Have you considered the possibility of psychological projection in your question, Cloud Hobbit?

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Marvin Sebourn
2017-11-11 17:31:11 UTC
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I was told that in the Navy, where Art supposedly was, the definition of buddy is different than in the rest of the military.
In the rest of the military (with the possible exception of the Coast Guard) a buddy is simply a guy who you might need to count on in battle or other military duties.
In the Navy a buddy is somebody that goes out and gets a blowjob and then comes back and gives one to his buddy.
Any clarification is welcome.
What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.

Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran. When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.

I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.

Happy Veteran's Day.

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Cloud Hobbit
2017-11-11 19:53:07 UTC
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.

Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.

If he were he could have easily proven it by now.


When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.

I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.

Happy Veteran's Day.

As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.

Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.

Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Marvin Sebourn
2017-11-12 00:22:41 UTC
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.

He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.

And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
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When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
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Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
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Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.

And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".

So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.

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Cloud Hobbit
2017-11-12 00:42:53 UTC
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All it would take to convince me is a copy of his DD214 which he should have.
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2017-11-12 01:58:08 UTC
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All it would take to convince me is a copy of his DD214 which he should have.
I won't give a worthless turd like you shit.
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2017-11-12 01:06:31 UTC
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
What has he said that convinced you and that could not easily be obtained from Google?
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And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
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When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
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Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
I didn't say he NEVER tells the truth. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt until they give me reason not to. Art has given ample reason not to trust him.
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Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
I don't think I ever said that but he has lied about everything but I simply do not see any reason to grant him credibility on this issue.

Look at the number of times he has tried to send people on wild goose chases after information that a random person could not possibly obtain such as where he went to school. I call them like I see them. Should he ever really prove his service I will offer my most profound apologies.
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So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Not my intention to demean the Navy. As someone who is a veteran and who knows what people who have served go through I appreciate the the service of all who have done so and I don't appreciate someone like Art saying things like he was a Vietnam era veteran, which I took to be him trying to imply that he served in Vietnam. Real veterans from that time IME are quick to tell you they did not serve in country.
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2017-11-12 02:13:49 UTC
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
CH: > What has he said that convinced you and that could not easily be obtained from Google?

I have had exchanges with Joe over about eighteen years. If you are curious, look it up. It was mostly in alt.revisionism. Joe and I fell on the same side showing the truth about the many lies of Holocaust deniers. Some time after that we found ourselves opposing some petty little racist thugs, and Joe stood up firmly against their anti-black racism. He spoke sharply, but it was appropriate, and truthful.
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And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
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When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
CH: > > I didn't say he NEVER tells the truth.

Yes you did. You wrote: "Given Art's well known inability to be truthful..." Consider what you wrote.

CH: >I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt until they give me reason not to. Art has given ample reason not to trust him.
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Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
CH: > I don't think I ever said that but he has lied about everything but I simply do not see any reason to grant him credibility on this issue.

Joe has lied about everything? You wrote Art's well known inability to tell the truth without putting any boundaries on your statement. You said that Joe couldn't tell the truth, which meant that everything he said was a lie.
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Look at the number of times he has tried to send people on wild goose chases after information that a random person could not possibly obtain such as where he went to school. I call them like I see them. Should he ever really prove his service I will offer my most profound apologies.
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So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
CH: > Not my intention to demean the Navy.

Then why did you do so? Especially in such a gross manner, particularly on the eve of Veteran's Day, just to diss Joe? Did you think your cute little blow job suggestions brought credit to anyone? You claim he didn't serve, and throw in gayness. Would you say it again in that way? If not, does that mean that you didn't consider what you were saying the first time?

CH: >As someone who is a veteran and who knows what people who have served go through I appreciate the the service of all who have done so and I don't appreciate someone like Art saying things like he was a Vietnam era veteran, which I took to be him trying to imply that he served in Vietnam. Real veterans from that time IME are quick to tell you they did not serve in country.

In effect, Joe told you that he did not serve in Vietnam. In fact it says to most experienced people that although Joe served during that time, he likely did not serve in Vietnam. Otherwise he might have mentioned it. Did you think he was a brown water sailor?
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
CH: > What has he said that convinced you and that could not easily be obtained from Google?
I have had exchanges with Joe over about eighteen years. If you are curious, look it up. It was mostly in alt.revisionism. Joe and I fell on the same side showing the truth about the many lies of Holocaust deniers. Some time after that we found ourselves opposing some petty little racist thugs, and Joe stood up firmly against their anti-black racism. He spoke sharply, but it was appropriate, and truthful.
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And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
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When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
CH: > > I didn't say he NEVER tells the truth.
Yes you did. You wrote: "Given Art's well known inability to be truthful..." Consider what you wrote.
CH: >I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt until they give me reason not to. Art has given ample reason not to trust him.
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Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
CH: > I don't think I ever said that but he has lied about everything but I simply do not see any reason to grant him credibility on this issue.
Joe has lied about everything? You wrote Art's well known inability to tell the truth without putting any boundaries on your statement. You said that Joe couldn't tell the truth, which meant that everything he said was a lie.
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Look at the number of times he has tried to send people on wild goose chases after information that a random person could not possibly obtain such as where he went to school. I call them like I see them. Should he ever really prove his service I will offer my most profound apologies.
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So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
CH: > Not my intention to demean the Navy.
Then why did you do so? Especially in such a gross manner, particularly on the eve of Veteran's Day, just to diss Joe? Did you think your cute little blow job suggestions brought credit to anyone? You claim he didn't serve, and throw in gayness. Would you say it again in that way? If not, does that mean that you didn't consider what you were saying the first time?
CH: >As someone who is a veteran and who knows what people who have served go through I appreciate the the service of all who have done so and I don't appreciate someone like Art saying things like he was a Vietnam era veteran, which I took to be him trying to imply that he served in Vietnam. Real veterans from that time IME are quick to tell you they did not serve in country.
In effect, Joe told you that he did not serve in Vietnam. In fact it says to most experienced people that although Joe served during that time, he likely did not serve in Vietnam. Otherwise he might have mentioned it. Did you think he was a brown water sailor?
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Listen, Marvin. You are wasting your time. You can't teach manners to scum.
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2017-11-12 02:28:58 UTC
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
CH: > What has he said that convinced you and that could not easily be obtained from Google?
I have had exchanges with Joe over about eighteen years. If you are curious, look it up. It was mostly in alt.revisionism. Joe and I fell on the same side showing the truth about the many lies of Holocaust deniers. Some time after that we found ourselves opposing some petty little racist thugs, and Joe stood up firmly against their anti-black racism. He spoke sharply, but it was appropriate, and truthful.
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And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
CH: > > I didn't say he NEVER tells the truth.
Yes you did. You wrote: "Given Art's well known inability to be truthful..." Consider what you wrote.
CH: >I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt until they give me reason not to. Art has given ample reason not to trust him.
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Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
CH: > I don't think I ever said that but he has lied about everything but I simply do not see any reason to grant him credibility on this issue.
Joe has lied about everything? You wrote Art's well known inability to tell the truth without putting any boundaries on your statement. You said that Joe couldn't tell the truth, which meant that everything he said was a lie.
For the record, I have in the past given him credit for the times I thought he was correct, but the lies far outnumber the truth-telling. It's been such a long time since that happened I can't remember the last time.
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Look at the number of times he has tried to send people on wild goose chases after information that a random person could not possibly obtain such as where he went to school. I call them like I see them. Should he ever really prove his service I will offer my most profound apologies.
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So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
CH: > Not my intention to demean the Navy.
Then why did you do so? Especially in such a gross manner, particularly on the eve of Veteran's Day, just to diss Joe? Did you think your cute little blow job suggestions brought credit to anyone? You claim he didn't serve, and throw in gayness. Would you say it again in that way? If not, does that mean that you didn't consider what you were saying the first time?
It's an old Army joke. I have heard several jokes poking fun at one branch from people in other branches. My apologies for my imprecision.
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CH: >As someone who is a veteran and who knows what people who have served go through I appreciate the the service of all who have done so and I don't appreciate someone like Art saying things like he was a Vietnam era veteran, which I took to be him trying to imply that he served in Vietnam. Real veterans from that time IME are quick to tell you they did not serve in country.
In effect, Joe told you that he did not serve in Vietnam. In fact it says to most experienced people that although Joe served during that time, he likely did not serve in Vietnam. Otherwise he might have mentioned it. Did you think he was a brown water sailor?
I just don't believe he would let doubt continue if he could prove otherwise.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
CH: > What has he said that convinced you and that could not easily be obtained from Google?
I have had exchanges with Joe over about eighteen years. If you are curious, look it up. It was mostly in alt.revisionism. Joe and I fell on the same side showing the truth about the many lies of Holocaust deniers. Some time after that we found ourselves opposing some petty little racist thugs, and Joe stood up firmly against their anti-black racism. He spoke sharply, but it was appropriate, and truthful.
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And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
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When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
CH: > > I didn't say he NEVER tells the truth.
Yes you did. You wrote: "Given Art's well known inability to be truthful..." Consider what you wrote.
CH: >I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt until they give me reason not to. Art has given ample reason not to trust him.
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Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
CH: > I don't think I ever said that but he has lied about everything but I simply do not see any reason to grant him credibility on this issue.
Joe has lied about everything? You wrote Art's well known inability to tell the truth without putting any boundaries on your statement. You said that Joe couldn't tell the truth, which meant that everything he said was a lie.
For the record, I have in the past given him credit for the times I thought he was correct, but the lies far outnumber the truth-telling.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
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When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
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Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Joe: >Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.

Thank you, Joe. I appreciate that. I think in this case I am wasting my time and energy. Because I am wasting my time with another person here, I am going to leave for at least a month.

Please remember that I am an atheist, Joe. I want to tell the truth, wherever it leads.

Joe, I whole-heartedly believe you served in the Navy-if I remember right, a couple of years ago I think you mentioned that you served on the USS Ajax, a repair ship.

And it's time for me to close. My email address is correct.

And to you, Joe, my first wishes of the day to anyone: A sincere Happy Veteran's Day, Art.

Regards,
Marvin

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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Joe: >Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.
Thank you, Joe. I appreciate that. I think in this case I am wasting my time and energy. Because I am wasting my time with another person here, I am going to leave for at least a month.
Please remember that I am an atheist, Joe. I want to tell the truth, wherever it leads.
Joe, I whole-heartedly believe you served in the Navy-if I remember right, a couple of years ago I think you mentioned that you served on the USS Ajax, a repair ship.
And it's time for me to close. My email address is correct.
And to you, Joe, my first wishes of the day to anyone: A sincere Happy Veteran's Day, Art.
Do svidanya(until we meet again)
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy. People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're not interested in the truth.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy. People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy. https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf

Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be embarrassing.....

The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy. People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy. https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
Here it is:


DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FORM DD214


Name Donald Duck
Service US Duck Corps


Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989

Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey

Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists

Rank:Chief Quacker

Home address: Who knows?

Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy. People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy. https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck
Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Thank you for admitting you don't have form DD214.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy. People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy. https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck
Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Thank you for admitting you don't have form DD214.
...now wait a minute. That might be the real deal. Rank:Chief
Quacker...that sounds like Arty.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap
attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of
some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept
that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over
everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater
weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings
like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other
vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no
qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never
tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that
statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling
people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the
number of times Duke has failed to address questions which
bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the
times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct
what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own
words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even
though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I
could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you
never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very
little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to
demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab
Joe.
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting
your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at
all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount
of evidence will break through their dedication to their
objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy.
People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're
not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked
out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy.
https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be
embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active
Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the
United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service
member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in
the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy,
U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Thank you for admitting you don't have form DD214.
...now wait a minute. That might be the real deal. Rank:Chief
Quacker...that sounds like Arty.
Even the DoD recognised that he's quackers.
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On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 8:53:59 PM UTC-5,
On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 4:22:44 PM UTC-8, Marvin
On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 1:53:09 PM UTC-6, Cloud
Post by Marvin Sebourn
What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap
attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of
some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept
that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over
everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater
weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings
like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other
vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no
qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never
tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that
statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling
people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the
number of times Duke has failed to address questions which
bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the
times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct
what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own
words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even
though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I
could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you
never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very
little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to
demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab
Joe.
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting
your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at
all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount
of evidence will break through their dedication to their
objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy.
People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're
not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked
out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy.
https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be
embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active
Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the
United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service
member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in
the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy,
U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Thank you for admitting you don't have form DD214.
...now wait a minute. That might be the real deal. Rank:Chief
Quacker...that sounds like Arty.
Even the DoD recognised that he's quackers.
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On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 8:53:59 PM UTC-5,
On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 4:22:44 PM UTC-8, Marvin
On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 1:53:09 PM UTC-6, Cloud
Post by Marvin Sebourn
What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your
cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction
of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept
that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over
everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of
greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful
imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other
vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no
qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he
never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider
that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling
people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the
number of times Duke has failed to address questions which
bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the
times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct
what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his
own words--all these times possibly only in order to
quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his
credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I
could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you
never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very
little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try
to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just
to jab Joe.
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are
wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists
are not at all interested in the truth. They are
propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their
dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy.
People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say
they're not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked
out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy.
https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might
be embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active
Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the
United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military
service member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active
duty in the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army,
U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Thank you for admitting you don't have form DD214.
...now wait a minute. That might be the real deal. Rank:Chief
Quacker...that sounds like Arty.
Even the DoD recognised that he's quackers.
The US Navy wouldn't take you.
Yep. I'm too old and not a US citizen.
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On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 1:53:09 PM UTC-6, Cloud
Post by Marvin Sebourn
What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap
attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of
some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept
that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over
everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater
weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings
like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other
vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no
qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never
tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that
statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling
people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the
number of times Duke has failed to address questions which
bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the
times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct
what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own
words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even
though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I
could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you
never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very
little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to
demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab
Joe.
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting
your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at
all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount
of evidence will break through their dedication to their
objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy.
People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're
not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked
out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy.
https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be
embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active
Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the
United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service
member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in
the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy,
U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Thank you for admitting you don't have form DD214.
...now wait a minute. That might be the real deal. Rank:Chief
Quacker...that sounds like Arty.
Even the DoD recognised that he's quackers.
...heh, heh..pretty funny...I'm all quacked up.
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On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 8:53:59 PM UTC-5,
On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 4:22:44 PM UTC-8, Marvin
On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 1:53:09 PM UTC-6, Cloud
Post by Marvin Sebourn
What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap
attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of
some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept
that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over
everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater
weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings
like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other
vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no
qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never
tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that
statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling
people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the
number of times Duke has failed to address questions which
bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the
times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct
what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own
words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even
though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I
could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you
never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very
little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to
demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab
Joe.
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting
your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at
all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount
of evidence will break through their dedication to their
objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy.
People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're
not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked
out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy.
https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be
embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active
Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the
United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service
member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in
the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy,
U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Thank you for admitting you don't have form DD214.
...now wait a minute. That might be the real deal. Rank:Chief
Quacker...that sounds like Arty.
Even the DoD recognised that he's quackers.
I'll bet you actually think the Dept of Defense printed that. Right, moron?
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On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 8:53:59 PM UTC-5,
On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 4:22:44 PM UTC-8, Marvin
On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 1:53:09 PM UTC-6, Cloud
Post by Marvin Sebourn
What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your
cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction
of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept
that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over
everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of
greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful
imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other
vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no
qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he
never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider
that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling
people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the
number of times Duke has failed to address questions which
bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the
times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct
what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his
own words--all these times possibly only in order to
quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his
credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I
could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you
never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very
little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try
to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just
to jab Joe.
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are
wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists
are not at all interested in the truth. They are
propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their
dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy.
People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say
they're not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked
out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy.
https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might
be embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active
Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the
United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military
service member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active
duty in the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army,
U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Thank you for admitting you don't have form DD214.
...now wait a minute. That might be the real deal. Rank:Chief
Quacker...that sounds like Arty.
Even the DoD recognised that he's quackers.
I'll bet you actually think the Dept of Defense printed that. Right, moron?
I'll bet you don't actually think, ArtyJoe.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy. People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy. https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck
Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Thank you for admitting you don't have form DD214.
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On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 1:53:09 PM UTC-6, Cloud Hobbi=
What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap a=
ttempt to irritate Joe.=20
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Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.=20
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CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
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He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of =
some here. Certainly to me.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
=20
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that,=
as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
=20
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything=
) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some chi=
ldish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.=20
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=20
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.=20
=20
Happy Veteran's Day.=20
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=20
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets=
who served.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
=20
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qua=
lms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
=20
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never t=
ells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a=
lie.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
=20
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling peopl=
e liars when no such thing has happened.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
=20
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the numb=
er of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthful=
ness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times h=
e has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong =
by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even t=
hough he long ago sacrificed his credibility.=20
Post by Cloud Hobbit
=20
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I cou=
ld not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
Post by Cloud Hobbit
=20
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very litt=
le to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least on=
e branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
=20
Marvin Sebourn
=20
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting =
your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interest=
ed in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break t=
hrough their dedication to their objective.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
=20
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy. Peop=
le call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're not intereste=
d in the truth.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
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A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion. =20
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Home address: Who knows?
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Thank you for admitting you don't have form DD214.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy. People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy. https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck
Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Yes, that sounds like an accurate description of your military service.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy. People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy. https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck
Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Yes, that sounds like an accurate description of your military service.
Is it as accurate as your stone throwing?
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy. People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy. https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck
Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Yes, that sounds like an accurate description of your military service.
Is it as accurate as your stone throwing?
It's more accurate than the lies you throw around, fake Christian.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the number of times Duke has failed to address questions which bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his own words--all these times possibly only in order to quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists are not at all interested in the truth. They are propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy. People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say they're not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy. https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might be embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military service member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active duty in the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck
Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Yes, that sounds like an accurate description of your military service.
Is it as accurate as your stone throwing?
It's more accurate than the lies you throw around, fake Christian.
Since I'm not throwing around lies, I guess that means you're very poor shot.
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On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 4:22:44 PM UTC-8, Marvin
On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 1:53:09 PM UTC-6, Cloud
Post by Marvin Sebourn
What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your
cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
CH: > If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
He has shown that he is a Navy veteran, to the satisfaction
of some here. Certainly to me.
And I haven't proven that I am MS, but you seem to accept
that, as you seem to accept that I am a Navy vet.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
When I argue with Joe, which I have done (not over
everything) since about 1999, it is over matters of
greater weight, not over some childish, disrespectful
imaginings like you write of here.
I hope this clarifies your poorly timed jab.
Happy Veteran's Day.
CH: > As an actual veteran I thank you and all the other
vets who served.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Given Art's well known inability to be truthful I have no
qualms about any time I feel like poking his lying ass.
Obviously he has been able to tell the truth. Saying he
never tells the truth is inaccurate. Many might consider
that statement of yours a lie.
Post by Marvin Sebourn
Count the number of times he has posted attacks calling
people liars when no such thing has happened.
Count the number of times Duke has not told the truth; the
number of times Duke has failed to address questions which
bear on the truthfulness or falsity of his statements, the
times he has obfuscated, the times he has failed to correct
what he has said even when he is shown to be wrong by his
own words--all these times possibly only in order to
quarrel, even though he long ago sacrificed his
credibility.
And even then if Duke would claim to have been a veteran, I
could not in good conscience say "No, absolutely not, you
never were a vet".
So when you say "thanks for your service", that means very
little to me when it is tied to a remark in which you try
to demean at least one branch of the armed services, just
to jab Joe.
Marvin Sebourn
Thanks for your support, Marvin. However, I fear you are
wasting your time and energy. Hobbit and the other atheists
are not at all interested in the truth. They are
propagandists. No amount of evidence will break through their
dedication to their objective.
You haven't provided any evidence that you served in the navy.
People call you out on this, and you have the gall to say
they're not interested in the truth.
A copy of his DD214 would end all suspicion.
Here you can look at a sample for those who don't know what info
it contains.
Aside from a social security number which could easily be blacked
out I don't see why it would be any problem with one's privacy.
https://dhe.mo.gov/ppc/documents/sampleDD214.pdf
Of course, if you did not serve or if your separation code might
be embarrassing.....
The DD Form 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active
Duty, generally referred to as a "DD 214", is a document of the
United States Department of Defense, issued upon a military
service member's retirement, separation, or discharge from active
duty in the Armed Forces of the United States, e.g., U.S. Army,
U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, U.S. Air Force or U.S. Coast Guard.
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
FORM DD214
Name Donald Duck
Service US Duck Corps
Dates of Service: Jan 1944 to Feb 1989
Place of Service: Pond #1, Secaucas, New Jersey
Military specialty-Picking up trash,eating peanuts, pestering tourists
Rank:Chief Quacker
Home address: Who knows?
Civilian Occupation:Who knows?
Yes, that sounds like an accurate description of your military service.
Is it as accurate as your stone throwing?
It's more accurate than the lies you throw around, fake Christian.
Since I'm not throwing around lies,
That's a lie. You've had your lies pointed out to you already.
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I guess that means you're very poor shot.
You guess wrong. It means you're a liar, fake Christian.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
As usual, you are too damn stupid to get the message. At this point, I don't give a flying fuck if you believe me or not. You are a filthy scumbag and your opinion of me is totally irrelevant.
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What a low-class, untrue dig, Cloud Hobbit, only your cheap attempt to irritate Joe.
Yes, I firmly believe Joe is a Navy veteran.
If he were he could have easily proven it by now.
As usual, you are too damn stupid to get the message. At this point, I don't give a flying fuck if you believe me or not. You are a filthy scumbag and your opinion of me is totally irrelevant.
If you didn't care, you'd stop responding to the post about it. That's the quickest way to get it to stop.
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The list of things you don't know would reach from Earth to the star Alpha Centauri.
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Sit Fido.
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The list of things you don't know would reach from Earth to the star Alpha Centauri.
Technically Alpha Centauri isn't a star, but a star system:
a binary, Alpha A & B aka ALPHA AB, and Proxima Centauir, or
Alpha Centauri C, making a total of three stars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri

It's a nitpick, and if one were conning the ship via celestial
navigation, AC would count as one star, since you'd only see
any separation of the light sources with a sufficiently powerful
telescope. Even in this age of GPS, the Navy considers knowing
how to fix a position "the old-fashioned way" to be useful.

https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2017/07/26/vanderbilt-astronomers-help-nrotc-midshipmen-learn-celestial-navigation/

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The list of things you don't know would reach from Earth to the star Alpha Centauri.
a binary, Alpha A & B aka ALPHA AB, and Proxima Centauir, or
Alpha Centauri C, making a total of three stars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri
It's a nitpick, and if one were conning the ship via celestial
navigation, AC would count as one star, since you'd only see
any separation of the light sources with a sufficiently powerful
telescope. Even in this age of GPS, the Navy considers knowing
how to fix a position "the old-fashioned way" to be useful.
https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2017/07/26/vanderbilt-astronomers-help-nrotc-midshipmen-learn-celestial-navigation/
Kevin R
The problems with GPS are (1) that computers sometimes make mistakes and
(2)the GPS equipment for a ship is very expensive

Celestial navigation only works in clear weather. It's useless in a storm or in heavy overcast.
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The problems with GPS are (1) that computers sometimes make mistakes and
(2)the GPS equipment for a ship is very expensive
Celestial navigation only works in clear weather. It's useless in a storm or in heavy overcast.
Also: the GPS satellites could be targeted by the enemy for physical
attack, or jamming, or concievably hacking. see:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gps-and-the-world-s-first-space-war/

[quote]

Jamming can, to some degree, be countered by increasing signal strength
and using antennas that can better discriminate between signal and noise.
At the same time, however, the Pentagon recognizes the danger of relying
too heavily on satellite-based GPS. DARPA, which helped miniaturize
GPS receivers in the 1980s and developed ways to add GPS guidance to
munitions, is now investing in new types of inertial and self-
calibrating sensors that could continue to accurately track a
receiver’s position when satellite service is not an option. This
includes the $50-million Atomic Clocks with Enhanced Stability (ACES)
program to develop portable, battery-powered atomic clocks the size of
cell phones. The goal is for the next generation of clocks to be 1,000
times more stable than current models and to accurately maintain time
and navigation information in devices even when cut off from
satellite communications.

[/quote] - By Larry Greenemeier 8 Feb 2016, SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN

So, when there's cloud cover, there will be other options.

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The problems with GPS are (1) that computers sometimes make mistakes and
(2)the GPS equipment for a ship is very expensive
Celestial navigation only works in clear weather. It's useless in a storm or in heavy overcast.
Also: the GPS satellites could be targeted by the enemy for physical
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gps-and-the-world-s-first-space-war/
[quote]
Jamming can, to some degree, be countered by increasing signal strength
and using antennas that can better discriminate between signal and noise.
At the same time, however, the Pentagon recognizes the danger of relying
too heavily on satellite-based GPS. DARPA, which helped miniaturize
GPS receivers in the 1980s and developed ways to add GPS guidance to
munitions, is now investing in new types of inertial and self-
calibrating sensors that could continue to accurately track a
receiver’s position when satellite service is not an option. This
includes the $50-million Atomic Clocks with Enhanced Stability (ACES)
program to develop portable, battery-powered atomic clocks the size of
cell phones. The goal is for the next generation of clocks to be 1,000
times more stable than current models and to accurately maintain time
and navigation information in devices even when cut off from
satellite communications.
[/quote] - By Larry Greenemeier 8 Feb 2016, SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN
So, when there's cloud cover, there will be other options.
Kevin R
The other options include what the Navy calls "Dead Reckoning."You plot your courses and speeds and times for each from the point you started on a map. It doesn't take account of wind and currents, but it's a reasonable estimate.

The other is to fix your position by reference to an object of known position
like a land mass or a buoy. You plot that on map(chart). It's probably the most accurate method of all.
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The list of things you don't know would reach from Earth to the star Alpha Centauri.
And the list of things YOU don't know would reach from Earth to the Andromeda Galaxy.
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The list of things you don't know would reach from Earth to the star Alpha Centauri.
And the list of things YOU don't know would reach from Earth to the Andromeda Galaxy.
I'm not concerned. You're too lazy and too stupid to make that list.
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The list of things you don't know would reach from Earth to the star Alpha Centauri.
And the list of things YOU don't know would reach from Earth to the Andromeda Galaxy.
I'm not concerned. You're too lazy and too stupid to make that list.
Where is that list of navy officers with your name on it, you lying sack of shit?
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The list of things you don't know would reach from Earth to the star Alpha Centauri.
And the list of things YOU don't know would reach from Earth to the Andromeda Galaxy.
I'm not concerned. You're too lazy and too stupid to make that list.
Where is that list of navy officers with your name on it, you lying sack of shit?
https://tinyurl.com/y7fp4uyl
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2017-11-18 14:03:23 UTC
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The list of things you don't know would reach from Earth to the
star Alpha Centauri.
And the list of things YOU don't know would reach from Earth to the
Andromeda Galaxy.
I'm not concerned. You're too lazy and too stupid to make that list.
Where is that list of navy officers with your name on it, you lying sack of shit?
https://tinyurl.com/y7fp4uyl
There's no mention of your supposed stint in the navy there, you stupid
cunt. You're a lying sack of shit.
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2017-11-18 19:51:02 UTC
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On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 6:03:29 AM UTC-8, Tim wrote:


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2017-11-19 12:02:54 UTC
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There's no mention of your supposed stint in the navy there, you stupid
cunt. You're a lying sack of shit.

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