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What the lack of evidence for God means
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Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-06 21:36:41 UTC
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.

All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
Ted
2017-08-06 22:37:41 UTC
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several
different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a
deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
I have evidence that God eats shit.
John Locke
2017-08-07 03:23:30 UTC
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several
different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a
deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
I have evidence that God eats shit.
...damn, a whole lot of Christians are in big trouble !

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John Locke
2017-08-06 23:18:44 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:36:41 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
...the very fact that there are multiple religions and countless sects
effectively demonstares the very low probability of the existence of
any god. If there were a god, there''d be no arguments. It would all
be clear. The world would be a much, much different place indeed.


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Yap Honghor
2017-08-07 02:10:29 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 14:36:41 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
...the very fact that there are multiple religions and countless sects
effectively demonstares the very low probability of the existence of
any god. If there were a god, there''d be no arguments. It would all
be clear. The world would be a much, much different place indeed.
You know how horrible the existence of a pixie can cause?

"You little human must all kneel and pray to me, and shall not do anything other thing without my personal agreement"...imagining there are thousands in a million wanting to pee.
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John Locke
2017-08-07 02:59:06 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
...the very fact that there are multiple religions and countless sects
effectively demonstares the very low probability of the existence of
any god. If there were a god, there''d be no arguments. It would all
be clear. The world would be a much, much different place indeed.
You know how horrible the existence of a pixie can cause?
"You little human must all kneel and pray to me, and shall not do anything other thing without my personal agreement"...imagining there are thousands in a million wanting to pee.
...yes, "God" is quite a nasty character...with a penchant for
human suffering and blood sacrifice. Just more evidence that
"God" was fabricated by humans. In fact, you can bet the farm on it.

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Tim
2017-08-06 23:32:11 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
Response from earl weber, aka fat duke:

"None of 'em lifted a wooden finger 'cept mine."

Response to earl weber from Viva Pedophile:

"He stuck that woody right up my arse!!! Praise the Lord."

Response from Assroid:

"You believe you evolved from a monkey, when ye should be a choosin' heaven and thumpin ye Bible, ook."

Response from kunt knuckless:

You're a coward for not believing something that can't possibly be evidenced.

<mars bars>
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2017-08-07 00:30:28 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
"None of 'em lifted a wooden finger 'cept mine."
"He stuck that woody right up my arse!!! Praise the Lord."
"You believe you evolved from a monkey, when ye should be a choosin' heaven and thumpin ye Bible, ook."
You're a coward for not believing something that can't possibly be evidenced.
<mars bars>
hi pig feet
Tim
2017-08-07 13:45:02 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
"None of 'em lifted a wooden finger 'cept mine."
"He stuck that woody right up my arse!!! Praise the Lord."
"You believe you evolved from a monkey, when ye should be a choosin' heaven and thumpin ye Bible, ook."
You're a coward for not believing something that can't possibly be evidenced.
<mars bars>
hi pig feet
I'm not your mom, fluffy.
Bob
2017-08-06 23:57:05 UTC
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There is no lack of evidence for God if you're one of His chosen elect.

He makes Himself known to his elect, but not to the non-elect.

That is why you are experiencing a "lack of evidence for God".
--
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
Yap Honghor
2017-08-07 02:13:18 UTC
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There is no lack of evidence for God if you're one of His chosen elect.
So, you have not chosen to provide a shred.
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He makes Himself known to his elect, but not to the non-elect.
So, if it has chosen you for hell, that's it....
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That is why you are experiencing a "lack of evidence for God".
Insanity or brain damage has nothing to do with us.
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
See how one still lives in the past!
John Locke
2017-08-07 03:17:30 UTC
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There is no lack of evidence for God if you're one of His chosen elect.
...hey Dunky...that telegram saying you were "one of His chosen
elect." was a practical joke. Just the guys in the office. But you
fell for it ! ..heh, heh.
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He makes Himself known to his elect, but not to the non-elect.
...there go those halluciantions again.
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That is why you are experiencing a "lack of evidence for God".
...we're experencing a "lack of evidence" BECAUSE, there IS a
lack of evidence !

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Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-07 03:48:07 UTC
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There is no lack of evidence for God if you're one of His chosen elect.
There is no evidence of anybody being selected.
There is no evidence of a selector.
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He makes Himself known to his elect, but not to the non-elect.
That's your belief which you can not support with any objective facts.
Post by Bob
That is why you are experiencing a "lack of evidence for God".
The reason for experiencing a lack of evidence is because there is none that stands up to objective scrutiny.
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<snip of nonevidence>
Bob
2017-08-07 11:13:26 UTC
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There is no lack of evidence for God if you're one of His chosen elect.
There is no evidence of anybody being selected.
There is no evidence of a selector.
That's how He makes sure you're a non-believer.

He makes sure that only those who are elected know that an election
has been made.
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Post by Bob
He makes Himself known to his elect, but not to the non-elect.
That's your belief which you can not support with any objective facts.
That's not the way God works. Man relies on "objective facts", not God.
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That is why you are experiencing a "lack of evidence for God".
The reason for experiencing a lack of evidence is because there is none that stands up to objective scrutiny.
And that's why you are elected to be a non-believer.

It's real simple when you stop and think about it.
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-07 23:09:19 UTC
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There is no lack of evidence for God if you're one of His chosen elect.
There is no evidence of anybody being selected.
There is no evidence of a selector.
That's how He makes sure you're a non-believer.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
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He makes sure that only those who are elected know that an election
has been made.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
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He makes Himself known to his elect, but not to the non-elect.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
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That's your belief which you can not support with any objective facts.
That's not the way God works. Man relies on "objective facts", not God.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
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That is why you are experiencing a "lack of evidence for God".
Me and anybody who looks. NBo such evidence exists.
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The reason for experiencing a lack of evidence is because there is none that stands up to objective scrutiny.
Then there is no such evidence.
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And that's why you are elected to be a non-believer.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
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It's real simple when you stop and think about it.
It would have to be it's for believers not for sane people.
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You are saying the same old crap you always say, nothing. There is nothing that can demonstrate your imaginary God exists. There is nothing that demonstrates there are elected. There is nothing that demonstrates anyone gets made aware of their election.

You got nothin'.
Bob
2017-08-08 00:51:59 UTC
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There is no lack of evidence for God if you're one of His chosen elect.
There is no evidence of anybody being selected.
There is no evidence of a selector.
That's how He makes sure you're a non-believer.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
For this response, and all the other ones like it:

You don't get what I'm saying. It's way over your head.

And it's all part of you staying deluded.

By God.

He's making sure you don't get it.

We have evidence. You're the one who doesn't have any.

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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
Mitchell Holman
2017-08-08 01:48:57 UTC
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There is no lack of evidence for God if you're one of His chosen elect.
There is no evidence of anybody being selected.
There is no evidence of a selector.
That's how He makes sure you're a non-believer.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
You don't get what I'm saying. It's way over your head.
And it's all part of you staying deluded.
By God.
He's making sure you don't get it.
We have evidence.
What evidence?





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Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-08 04:04:07 UTC
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There is no lack of evidence for God if you're one of His chosen elect.
There is no evidence of anybody being selected.
There is no evidence of a selector.
That's how He makes sure you're a non-believer.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
You don't get what I'm saying. It's way over your head.
Unevidenced c laim dismissed.
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And it's all part of you staying deluded.
By God.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
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He's making sure you don't get it.
We have evidence. You're the one who doesn't have any.
Unevidence claim dismissed.
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Bob
2017-08-08 13:00:13 UTC
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You don't get what I'm saying. It's way over your head.
And it's all part of you staying deluded.
By God.
He's making sure you don't get it.
We have evidence. You're the ones who doesn't have any.
Unevidence claims dismissed.
Your idea of "evidence" is tangible and touchable.

My idea of "evidence" is abstract and conceptual.

They are opposites.

My claims do have evidence. You just can't perceive them.

In other words, you've got nothing.

By the way, John Calvin and Martin Luther believed the same
thing about Calvinism (or, Augustinianism as it was called
at the time) as H. L. Mencken believed. And then someone
explained it to them, and they saw how logical and rational
it truly was.

As with everything else spiritual, you just don't get it.

You're welcome.
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
Yap Honghor
2017-08-08 00:58:05 UTC
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Post by Bob
There is no lack of evidence for God if you're one of His chosen elect.
There is no evidence of anybody being selected.
There is no evidence of a selector.
That's how He makes sure you're a non-believer.
Good, and we like to remain that way.
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He makes sure that only those who are elected know that an election
has been made.
Yes, when it needs to fill his quota for the hell, you may be elected.
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He makes Himself known to his elect, but not to the non-elect.
That's your belief which you can not support with any objective facts.
That's not the way God works. Man relies on "objective facts", not God.
So, the pixie relies upon subjective and very personal opinion which is OK with you? Don't complain if it decides hell for you.....
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That is why you are experiencing a "lack of evidence for God".
The reason for experiencing a lack of evidence is because there is none that stands up to objective scrutiny.
And that's why you are elected to be a non-believer.
That is what you are led to believe or it isn't you mind working because it is controlled by the pixie.
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It's real simple when you stop and think about it.
With your pixie latched onto your brain, you have no freedom to think for yourself....simple, isn't it?
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
Kurt Nicklas
2017-08-07 22:42:42 UTC
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There is no lack of evidence for God if you're one of His chosen elect.
There is no evidence of anybody being selected.
There is no evidence of a selector.
Of course it's irrational to make those silly claims as I've pointed out to you before.

By your own definition, you are a liar.
Alex W.
2017-08-07 00:06:57 UTC
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions. That can only happen when nobody can
provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
Interesting argument, but I am not entirely convinced.

Consider atheist religions: those without gods. They do exist, quite
happily so. They, too, sprang from the fertile imagination of the human
mind.

Consider also the superstitious weeds springing up everywhere in the
Western world where formal religions are in retreat. It may appear
inchoate, confused and informal to us, but there are large numbers of
people who find some inner need satisfied by New Age beliefs, gaia
worship, astrology and other such claptrappery. These may have
co-existed with traditional churches for centuries, but unlike those
churches, they are not dying out. On the contrary, they are coming to
to the fore, becoming part of the accepted mainstream. No gods involved
here ....
Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-07 03:54:03 UTC
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions. That can only happen when nobody can
provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
Interesting argument, but I am not entirely convinced.
Consider atheist religions: those without gods. They do exist, quite
happily so. They, too, sprang from the fertile imagination of the human
mind.
I should have clearer and said that I was only referring to theistic religions.
I know of no atheistic religionists who troll atheist NG's or wage wars to try and get their religious views taught in public schools or who have ever tried to kill non-believers.
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Consider also the superstitious weeds springing up everywhere in the
Western world where formal religions are in retreat. It may appear
inchoate, confused and informal to us, but there are large numbers of
people who find some inner need satisfied by New Age beliefs, gaia
worship, astrology and other such claptrappery. These may have
co-existed with traditional churches for centuries, but unlike those
churches, they are not dying out. On the contrary, they are coming to
to the fore, becoming part of the accepted mainstream. No gods involved
here ....
While I have met some people who do believe in shit like astrology and am aware of places where these people tend to congregate, I am unaware of any of them being any kind of serious threat to rational thought by most people. Most people regard them as what they are, unscientific claptrap.
Alex W.
2017-08-07 08:00:20 UTC
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of
their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If
any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there
would not be several different religions. That can only happen
when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive
evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever
provided.
Interesting argument, but I am not entirely convinced.
Consider atheist religions: those without gods. They do exist,
quite happily so. They, too, sprang from the fertile imagination
of the human mind.
I should have clearer and said that I was only referring to theistic
religions. I know of no atheistic religionists who troll atheist NG's
or wage wars to try and get their religious views taught in public
schools or who have ever tried to kill non-believers.
It is open to interpretation whether Buddhism is an atheistic religion,
but the Buddhist majority in Burma is currently quite happy to persecute
and kill members of the local Muslim minority ...
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Post by Alex W.
Consider also the superstitious weeds springing up everywhere in
the Western world where formal religions are in retreat. It may
appear inchoate, confused and informal to us, but there are large
numbers of people who find some inner need satisfied by New Age
beliefs, gaia worship, astrology and other such claptrappery.
These may have co-existed with traditional churches for centuries,
but unlike those churches, they are not dying out. On the
contrary, they are coming to to the fore, becoming part of the
accepted mainstream. No gods involved here ....
While I have met some people who do believe in shit like astrology
and am aware of places where these people tend to congregate, I am
unaware of any of them being any kind of serious threat to rational
thought by most people. Most people regard them as what they are,
unscientific claptrap.
Dunno about "serious threat", but what sprang to mind immediately were
Nancy Reagan and her astrologer....

As for such flimflammery being a threat, I do see this sort of stuff
infesting people's minds. It feels vaguely meaningful, it makes few
demands, but it does undermine rational thought processes. Every person
who decides to trust in the healing powers of crystals or obscure
Eastern medical practices (powdered tiger penis, anyone) to treat a
serious medical condition is a victim.

Moreover, I think that in the aggregate they do pose a danger of sorts
by planting doubts in the minds of large numbers of people, and a
willingness to seriously entertain the possibility that there may be
some validity to such claptrap. When people come up and say "my
neighbour used homeopathic remedies to treat his 'flu and it worked, so
I tried it and it worked for me" then we have a problem.
Don Martin
2017-08-07 21:40:46 UTC
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While I have met some people who do believe in shit like astrology
and am aware of places where these people tend to congregate, I am
unaware of any of them being any kind of serious threat to rational
thought by most people. Most people regard them as what they are,
unscientific claptrap.
Dunno about "serious threat", but what sprang to mind immediately were
Nancy Reagan and her astrologer....
As for such flimflammery being a threat, I do see this sort of stuff
infesting people's minds.
You must remember that when we learned of Nancy's astrologer, her
husband was verging on brain dead, and she was doing his thinking for
him. Our country was, in effect, governed at second hand by said
astrologer.
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Smiler
2017-08-08 00:06:24 UTC
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While I have met some people who do believe in shit like astrology and
am aware of places where these people tend to congregate, I am unaware
of any of them being any kind of serious threat to rational thought by
most people. Most people regard them as what they are, unscientific
claptrap.
Dunno about "serious threat", but what sprang to mind immediately were
Nancy Reagan and her astrologer....
As for such flimflammery being a threat, I do see this sort of stuff
infesting people's minds.
You must remember that when we learned of Nancy's astrologer, her
husband was verging on brain dead, and she was doing his thinking for
him. Our country was, in effect, governed at second hand by said
astrologer.
To be accurate, Nancy was the second hand governor, the astrologer was the
third hand governor.
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Gods are all tailored to order. They are made
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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I should have clearer and said that I was only referring to theistic religions.
I know of no atheistic religionists who troll atheist NG's or wage wars to try and get their religious views taught in public schools or who have ever tried to kill non-believers.
Imagine the invective a member of the Ethical Culture Society would hurl at us!

"You might enjoy coming to one of our lectures.
Atheists are welcome, and we won't attempt to
make a deist out of up..." or something like that?

Kevin R
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I should have clearer and said that I was only referring to theistic religions.
I know of no atheistic religionists who troll atheist NG's or wage wars to try and get their religious views taught in public schools or who have ever tried to kill non-believers.
Imagine the invective a member of the Ethical Culture Society would hurl at us!
"You might enjoy coming to one of our lectures.
Atheists are welcome, and we won't attempt to
make a deist out of up..." or something like that?
'out of up'? Up is an atheist and gets along very nicely with down who is a Deist.
You might, however, have a problem with sideways... And you can forget about angle.
That one doesn't get along with anyone. Right and left are wishy-washy. They worship
direction who is very changeable.
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I should have clearer and said that I was only referring to theistic religions.
I know of no atheistic religionists who troll atheist NG's or wage wars to try and get their religious views taught in public schools or who have ever tried to kill non-believers.
Imagine the invective a member of the Ethical Culture Society would hurl at us!
"You might enjoy coming to one of our lectures.
Atheists are welcome, and we won't attempt to
make a deist out of up..." or something like that?
'out of up'? Up is an atheist and gets along very nicely with down who is a Deist.
You might, however, have a problem with sideways... And you can forget about angle.
That one doesn't get along with anyone. Right and left are wishy-washy. They worship
direction who is very changeable.
*<chuckle>*

I should have typed "you," not "up," of course.
Braino, fat fingers, etc.

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I should have clearer and said that I was only referring to theistic religions.
I know of no atheistic religionists who troll atheist NG's or wage
wars to try and get their religious views taught in public schools
or who have ever tried to kill non-believers.
Imagine the invective a member of the Ethical Culture Society would hurl at us!
"You might enjoy coming to one of our lectures.
Atheists are welcome, and we won't attempt to make a deist out of
up..." or something like that?
'out of up'? Up is an atheist and gets along very nicely with down who
is a Deist. You might, however, have a problem with sideways... And you
can forget about angle. That one doesn't get along with anyone. Right
and left are wishy-washy. They worship direction who is very
changeable.
*<chuckle>*
I should have typed "you," not "up," of course.
Braino, fat fingers, etc.
No. You have a dyslexic keyboard.
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to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions. That can only happen when nobody can
provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
Interesting argument, but I am not entirely convinced.
Consider atheist religions: those without gods.
Et tu, Brute?

There's no such things as "atheist religions". There are, however,
philosophical, political or economics ideologies.

They do exist, quite
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happily so. They, too, sprang from the fertile imagination of the human
mind.
Consider also the superstitious weeds springing up everywhere in the
Western world where formal religions are in retreat. It may appear
inchoate, confused and informal to us, but there are large numbers of
people who find some inner need satisfied by New Age beliefs, gaia
worship, astrology and other such claptrappery. These may have
co-existed with traditional churches for centuries, but unlike those
churches, they are not dying out. On the contrary, they are coming to
to the fore, becoming part of the accepted mainstream. No gods involved
here ....
They are not religions, though. We have to define words precisely. If
not, then the discourse is muddled, and everything is everything.

It's like the word "hero" : nowadays, it signifies absolutely nothing
because everyone is a hero, if only for people just doing their job even
if they die doing it.

For me, a hero is someone who gives his life saving others, i.e., a hero
is a dead person.

So for me religions involve belief in some god, not just a philosophical
or a simple ideological stance.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There is nothing from the camp of theism that can derail atheism.
Nothing for over several thousands of years...
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
The only evidence a man needs to believe in god is that which satisfies him.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
The only evidence a man needs to believe in god is that which satisfies him.
If you choose to believe that, nobody cares. It's when people who believe insist that their beliefs are facts and that all people need to believe as they do or they are going to burn in hell that things start getting nasty.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
The only evidence a man needs to believe in god is that which satisfies him.
If you choose to believe that, nobody cares.
BULLSHIT.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
The only evidence a man needs to believe in god is that which satisfies him.
If you choose to believe that, nobody cares. It's when people who believe insist that their beliefs are facts and that all people need to believe as they do or they are going to burn in hell that things start getting nasty.
As long as the eternal punishment is only something the theist 'knows'
is awaiting the non-believers, I really don't care. It does reveal a
disrespect and contempt for fellow humans, that I can't muster myself.
It's if the theists should get the idea, that it would be best for
everybody to keep the non-believer safely away until it's time, and
have the power to enforce it, that things would go from being somewhat
annoying to physically dangerous. Next step is often to expedite the
inevitable outcome.
Anybody who believes that the Creator of Everything is pleased with
his actions, has the potential to be 'weaponized'.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
The only evidence a man needs to believe in god is that which satisfies him.
Then why are you posting many link to try to convince us there were jesus and moses?
They can satisfy you because they are all untruthful messages from the theists...
They cannot satisfy us because nothing from them is logical fact.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
Don't you get tired of posting the same useless lecture over and over?
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
Don't you get tired of posting the same useless lecture over and over?
Don't you ever get tired of not having any evidence for your beliefs?
Don't you ever get tired of having science debunk your religious beliefs?
Don't you ever get tired of lying?
Of being obnoxious?
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
Don't you get tired of posting the same useless lecture over and over?
Don't you ever get tired of not having any evidence for your beliefs?
I have enough to satisfy me and your opinion does not matter.
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Don't you ever get tired of having science debunk your religious beliefs?
EVIDENCE????
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Don't you ever get tired of lying?
EVIDENCE????
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
Don't you get tired of posting the same useless lecture over and over?
Don't you ever get tired of not having any evidence for your beliefs?
I have enough to satisfy me and your opinion does not matter.
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Don't you ever get tired of having science debunk your religious beliefs?
EVIDENCE????
Your insistence that the Exodus and Moses were real when the majority of archaeologists have declared they were not.

Pretending you were a lawyer.
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Don't you ever get tired of lying?
EVIDENCE????
Pretending to be a lawyer
Pretending to be a naval prosecutor.
Almost any one of your posts.
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Don't you ever get tired of not having any evidence for your beliefs?
We do have evidence.

When you say "evidence", you think of something you can see, something
you can touch, something tangible, something empirical.

But when a Christian says "evidence", when speaking about God, he means
something he's been given by God so that he knows beyond a doubt that
God exists.

Evidence for a believer and evidence for a non-believer are two completely
and totally different things.

You make your mistake by trying to compare them.
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Don't you ever get tired of having science debunk your religious beliefs?
Science has never, and will never, debunk my religious beliefs.
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Don't you ever get tired of lying?
You're the one who just lied.
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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Don't you ever get tired of not having any evidence for your beliefs?
We do have evidence.
When you say "evidence", you think of something you can see, something
you can touch, something tangible, something empirical.
But when a Christian says "evidence", when speaking about God, he means
something he's been given by God so that he knows beyond a doubt that
God exists.
Evidence for a believer and evidence for a non-believer are two completely
and totally different things.
You make your mistake by trying to compare them.
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Don't you ever get tired of having science debunk your religious beliefs?
Science has never, and will never, debunk my religious beliefs.
Science can not make you accept that your beliefs are wrong, you have to accept the facts. You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think.
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Don't you ever get tired of lying?
You're the one who just lied.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
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Don't you ever get tired of not having any evidence for your
beliefs?
We do have evidence.
When you say "evidence", you think of something you can see,
something you can touch, something tangible, something empirical.
But when a Christian says "evidence", when speaking about God, he
means something he's been given by God so that he knows beyond a
doubt that God exists.
Evidence for a believer and evidence for a non-believer are two
completely and totally different things.
You make your mistake by trying to compare them.
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Don't you ever get tired of having science debunk your religious beliefs?
Science has never, and will never, debunk my religious beliefs.
Science can not make you accept that your beliefs are wrong.
Of course not. You have yet to show me where science has debunked
my religious beliefs.

Don't you ever get tired of making unsubstantiated assertions?

You do it a lot. In almost every one of your posts.

That's why it's so easy defeating you.
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Don't you ever get tired of lying?
You're the one who just lied.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
You're the one without any evidence.

You made a claim without any evidence to prove it.

That makes you a liar.

See how easy that was?
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often respond with either personal insults, twisted logic and reasoning
along with semantics with excessive detail of complete speculation
presented as truth, to deviate from the critical argument at hand, and
talk at cross purposes to evade it." --Retro
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Don't you ever get tired of not having any evidence for your beliefs?
We do have evidence.
When you say "evidence", you think of something you can see,
something you can touch, something tangible, something empirical.
But when a Christian says "evidence", when speaking about God, he
means something he's been given by God so that he knows beyond a
doubt that God exists.
Evidence for a believer and evidence for a non-believer are two
completely and totally different things.
You make your mistake by trying to compare them.
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Don't you ever get tired of having science debunk your religious beliefs?
Science has never, and will never, debunk my religious beliefs.
Science can not make you accept that your beliefs are wrong.
Of course not. You have yet to show me where science has debunked
my religious beliefs.
Science doesn't have to debunk your hooey. You have to produce
credible evidence.

Secret knowledge imparted only to initiates isn't anything
that can convince anyone other than those in the cult.

I know, you don't care if we are convinced, if the Hairy Thunderer
wanted us to know, he'd have put us on the guest list.

That's horse hockey, and you know it.

You'd never put up with it if a Hindu or Muslim were peddling
that line of guff about their ghod or ghodz.

As one of your murdering religious nutjobs, Oliver
Cromwell, once wrote, " I beseech you, in the bowels
of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken."
even if you are right about Yahooey's existence, you
might be wrong about the doctrine of election, or
wrong about being of the elect. My assumption is
that you are suffering a self-generated delusion,
possibly as the result of indoctrination in your sect
as a child. If you are an "adult convert" to your
reformed hooey, the "conversion experience" often
makes fanatics of many, including those who adopt
other variants of Christianity, or join other religions
you would consider false. They feel as justified as
you do. To one who stands outside of religious belief,
their commitment seems no more nor less real than yours.

The claims of any one such devotee, set against those of
adherents of rival faiths, do not convince.

Now, go read the FAQ rule against proselytizing again,
and stop pushing ghodz in your posts here.

Kevin R
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Don't you ever get tired of not having any evidence for your beliefs?
We do have evidence.
When you say "evidence", you think of something you can see,
something you can touch, something tangible, something empirical.
But when a Christian says "evidence", when speaking about God, he
means something he's been given by God so that he knows beyond a
doubt that God exists.
Evidence for a believer and evidence for a non-believer are two
completely and totally different things.
You make your mistake by trying to compare them.
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Don't you ever get tired of having science debunk your religious beliefs?
Science has never, and will never, debunk my religious beliefs.
Science can not make you accept that your beliefs are wrong.
Of course not. You have yet to show me where science has debunked
my religious beliefs.
Don't you ever get tired of making unsubstantiated assertions?
You do it a lot. In almost every one of your posts.
That's why it's so easy defeating you.
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Don't you ever get tired of lying?
You're the one who just lied.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
You're the one without any evidence.
I have no evidence for a god or for most of the NT and the OT they are both mostly fiction. The fact that the existence of Jesus can not be verified as fact is one bit of evidence. The nonexistence of Moses and the exodus are more bits of evidence, the nonhappening of a world wide flood is more evidence.
The only evidence from the bible is no evidence. Whatever could be tested has been and found to be false.
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You made a claim without any evidence to prove it.
The evidence you will deny no matter what. Are you related to aaa?
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That makes you a liar.
No, because the evide34nce has posted here repeatedly, you just keep repeating your idiot mantra about not being one of the elect and not being able to recognize the evid3ence which is something else you have no evidence for.
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See how easy that was?
Only in your damaged mind.

You have nothing.

“What lay at the bottom of their savagery, of course, was their idiotic belief in Calvinism—beyond question the most brutal and barbaric theology ever subscribed to by mortal man, whether in or out of the African bush.”
― H.L. Mencken, H.L. Mencken on Religion
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Don't you ever get tired of not having any evidence for your beliefs?
We do have evidence.
When you say "evidence", you think of something you can see,
something you can touch, something tangible, something empirical.
But when a Christian says "evidence", when speaking about God, he
means something he's been given by God so that he knows beyond a
doubt that God exists.
Evidence for a believer and evidence for a non-believer are two
completely and totally different things.
You make your mistake by trying to compare them.
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Don't you ever get tired of having science debunk your religious beliefs?
Science has never, and will never, debunk my religious beliefs.
Science can not make you accept that your beliefs are wrong.
Of course not. You have yet to show me where science has debunked
my religious beliefs.
Don't you ever get tired of making unsubstantiated assertions?
You do it a lot. In almost every one of your posts.
That's why it's so easy defeating you.
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Don't you ever get tired of lying?
You're the one who just lied.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
You're the one without any evidence.
I have no evidence for a god.
I know. God has sovereignly chosen *not* to reveal it to you.
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You made a claim without any evidence to prove it.
That makes you a liar.
No, because the evide34nce has posted here repeatedly, you just keep
repeating your idiot mantra about not being one of the elect and not
being able to recognize the evid3ence which is something else you
have no evidence for.
What makes you think I'm trying to get you to believe it?

I'm just explaining why I believe you don't believe.

Because only God can give you that "evidence".

I can't.
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See how easy that was?
Only in your damaged mind.
Unsubstantiated opinion dismissed.
You have nothing.
No. I have something you don't have:
evidence that God exists, from God Himself.

By the way, John Calvin and Martin Luther believed the same
thing about Calvinism (or, Augustinianism as it was called
at the time) as H. L. Mencken believed. And then someone
explained it to them, and they saw how logical and rational
it truly was.

As with everything else spiritual, you just don't get it.

You're welcome.
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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Science can not make you accept that your beliefs
are wrong, you have to accept the facts. You can
lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him
think.
If one is uninfluenced by biased elements...they can
then see clearly that our Universe, including the life
therein *is the result of* a Creation by an awesome
Creator.
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Science can not make you accept that your beliefs
are wrong, you have to accept the facts. You can
lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him
think.
If one is uninfluenced by biased elements...they can
then see clearly that our Universe, including the life
therein *is the result of* a Creation by an awesome
Creator.
What biased elements?

There is zero evidence for God or for a biblical creation.

I'm still betting the universe is eternal and always existed.

I don't believe that nothing, the absence of anything, could go bang. SOMETHING had to exist to go bang. Since matter and energy can not be destroyed, there will be some kind of a universe forever.
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Science can not make you accept that your beliefs
are wrong, you have to accept the facts. You can
lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him
think.
If one is uninfluenced by biased elements...they can
then see clearly that our Universe, including the life
therein *is the result of* a Creation by an awesome
Creator.
What biased elements?
There is zero evidence for God or for a biblical creation.
I'm still betting the universe is eternal and always existed.
Science says no. Entropy is real.
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I don't believe that nothing, the absence of anything, could go bang.
Good for you.
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SOMETHING had to exist to go bang. Since matter and energy can
not be destroyed, there will be some kind of a universe forever.
The creation of matter has to do with the fact that our
Creator possesses this element called omnipotence.
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... our creator possesses this element called ......
omniabsence.

FTFY.

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... our creator possesses this element called ......
omniabsence.
That, I like. Omni-absence.
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... our creator possesses this element called ......
omniabsence.
That, I like. Omni-absence.
Well, since all of Satan's children enjoy the telling and hearing of lies,
it's as natural as breathing that you would like it.
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by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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... our creator possesses this element called ......
omniabsence.
That, I like. Omni-absence.
Well, since all of Satan's children enjoy the telling and hearing of lies,
it's as natural as breathing that you would like it.
Bob, I really feel sorry for people like you who put themselves into their
everyday hell full of "Satan's children" and other hauntings. Sick.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
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... our creator possesses this element called ......
omniabsence.
That, I like. Omni-absence.
Well, since all of Satan's children enjoy the telling and hearing of lies,
it's as natural as breathing that you would like it.
Bob, I really feel sorry for people like you who put themselves into their
everyday hell full of "Satan's children" and other hauntings. Sick.
Of course you would. It's only natural for you to feel that way when I'm
telling you what you really are, a white-washed sepulcher.
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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... our creator possesses this element called ......
omniabsence.
That, I like. Omni-absence.
Well, since all of Satan's children enjoy the telling and hearing of lies,
it's as natural as breathing that you would like it.
Bob, I really feel sorry for people like you who put themselves into their
everyday hell full of "Satan's children" and other hauntings. Sick.
Bob never seems to have absorbed "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

I recommend him to Ephesians 5:

"6) Let no one deceive you with empty arguments, for because of these
things the wrath of God is coming upon the disobedient. 7) So do not
be associated with them."

I figure I'm one of those he shouldn't associate with. Hanging around
here is obviously on Mad Saul's "Don't Do That" list. Bunch of
alt.atheist reprobates....

Kevin R
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... our creator possesses this element called ......
omniabsence.
That, I like. Omni-absence.
Well, since all of Satan's children enjoy the telling and hearing of lies,
it's as natural as breathing that you would like it.
Bob, I really feel sorry for people like you who put themselves into their
everyday hell full of "Satan's children" and other hauntings. Sick.
Bob never seems to have absorbed "Judge not, that ye be not judged."
That is a bad teaching; everybody judges everybody and that keeps us alive.

And why pretend that Christian's have good teachings when we know Christianity is bad.
It bugs me when atheists pretend Christianity is inherently good, that if Christians
would just follow the Bible then they would be good people. Those atheists seem
to want it both ways: the Bible is a Good Book and the Bible is bad.

Bob will never listen, no matter how many quotes you give him.
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"6) Let no one deceive you with empty arguments, for because of these
things the wrath of God is coming upon the disobedient. 7) So do not
be associated with them."
I figure I'm one of those he shouldn't associate with. Hanging around
here is obviously on Mad Saul's "Don't Do That" list. Bunch of
alt.atheist reprobates....
Kevin R
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
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... our creator possesses this element called ......
omniabsence.
That, I like. Omni-absence.
Well, since all of Satan's children enjoy the telling and hearing of lies,
it's as natural as breathing that you would like it.
Bob, I really feel sorry for people like you who put themselves into their
everyday hell full of "Satan's children" and other hauntings. Sick.
Bob never seems to have absorbed "Judge not, that ye be not judged."
That is a bad teaching; everybody judges everybody and that keeps us alive.
I agree: one must judge what is good in life and what is bad,
what is healthful and what is poisonous, what is supportive
of human freedom, and what is destructive of it.
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And why pretend that Christian's have good teachings when we know Christianity is bad.
It bugs me when atheists pretend Christianity is inherently good, that if Christians
would just follow the Bible then they would be good people. Those atheists seem
to want it both ways: the Bible is a Good Book and the Bible is bad.
I just wanted to point out that he, like most Christians, is
selective in what he chooses to to follow, in the way of biblical teaching.
The hypocrisy means that each Christian or sect is, by editing the
scriptures to their tastes, following their own lights or those of a
religious leader, not that of any eternal truth written down by their
ghod or those "inspired" by one.
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Bob will never listen, no matter how many quotes you give him.
Post by Kevrob
"6) Let no one deceive you with empty arguments, for because of these
things the wrath of God is coming upon the disobedient. 7) So do not
be associated with them."
I figure I'm one of those he shouldn't associate with. Hanging around
here is obviously on Mad Saul's "Don't Do That" list. Bunch of
alt.atheist reprobates....
I expect he won't. He's a troll. I just wanted to point out more
of his hypocrisy.
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(Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Yea, verily!

Kevin R
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Science can not make you accept that your beliefs
are wrong, you have to accept the facts. You can
lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him
think.
If one is uninfluenced by biased elements...they can
then see clearly that our Universe, including the life
therein *is the result of* a Creation by an awesome
Creator.
What biased elements?
There is zero evidence for God or for a biblical creation.
I'm still betting the universe is eternal and always existed.
Science says no. Entropy is real.
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I don't believe that nothing, the absence of anything, could go bang.
Good for you.
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SOMETHING had to exist to go bang. Since matter and energy can
not be destroyed, there will be some kind of a universe forever.
The creation of matter has to do with the fact that our
Creator possesses this element called omnipotence.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
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Science can not make you accept that your beliefs
are wrong, you have to accept the facts. You can
lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him
think.
If one is uninfluenced by biased elements...they can
then see clearly that our Universe, including the life
therein *is the result of* a Creation by an awesome
Creator.
What biased elements?
There is zero evidence for God or for a biblical creation.
I'm still betting the universe is eternal and always existed.
Science says no. Entropy is real.
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I don't believe that nothing, the absence of anything, could go bang.
Good for you.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
SOMETHING had to exist to go bang. Since matter and energy can
not be destroyed, there will be some kind of a universe forever.
The creation of matter has to do with the fact that our
Creator possesses this element called omnipotence.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
My claim is the most plausible. Scientists have rejected your
claim. Which means that your claim is an unscientific fantasy.
Kevrob
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SOMETHING had to exist to go bang. Since matter and energy can
not be destroyed, there will be some kind of a universe forever.
The creation of matter has to do with the fact that our
Creator possesses this element called omnipotence.
Unevidenced claim dismissed.
My claim is the most plausible. Scientists have rejected your
claim. Which means that your claim is an unscientific fantasy.
"Steady state" is nowhere as popular as "big bang," but it is a
possibility. I don't hold to it. But an initial "explosion" from
a pre-Big Bang "point" - if that term even means anything in a
pre-BB universe or multiverse - does not logically require an
intelligence behind it. that's just an assertion.

Again, "we don't know yet" is a perfectly good response, from
a scientific viewpoint, if that what the data supports.

Ghoddiddit is lazy thinking.

Kevin R

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Science can not make you accept that your beliefs
are wrong, you have to accept the facts. You can
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think.
If one is uninfluenced by biased elements...they can
then see clearly that our Universe, including the life
therein *is the result of*....
Proselytizing deleted.

Kevin R
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Don't you get tired of posting the same useless lecture over and over?
C'mon, Artie Joe. You go on "repeat mode" often enough.

This one was a reprint of an old number:

Message-ID: <29d917de-ff1a-4c8c-acdb-***@googlegroups.com>

[quote]

The only evidence a man needs to believe in god is that which satisfies him.

[/quote]

People can be satisfied by arrant nonsense, of course.

Kevin R
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
Yes, different people made up their own religions to try and instill a moral code. They all went about it different ways. Many however have so many similarities it's hard not assume they copied from each other.
The Noah story is a perfect example. The Bible story is a rip off of the Tale of Gilgamesh which was a rip off of an older story which borrowed from a still older story, yet is supposed to gospel.

None of the various theistic religions around the world have ever been able to demonstrate the existence of any god or gods. If they had any there would be no debate, unless it turned out that there actually are multiple Gods.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of
a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
But no salvation in religion. What about you personally, Arthur? Would you
like to continue our discussion about Jesus?
v***@gmail.com
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of
a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
But no salvation in religion. What about you personally, Arthur? Would you
like to continue our discussion about Jesus?
Take your Christianity and stick it up your ass.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of
a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
But no salvation in religion. What about you personally, Arthur? Would you
like to continue our discussion about Jesus?
Take your Christianity and stick it up your ass.
Perhaps you're trying to offend me, Arthur, but what if I were to instead
give you the exciting information that Jesus loves you? Would that make a
difference in your attitude? Because it's true, ya know. Although your
ancestors killed him, he still loves you.

You see, Jesus is your Messiah as foretold by the prophet Isaiah. Are you
familiar with the prophecies? If not, I suggest you open your Jewish bible
and read.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of
a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
But no salvation in religion. What about you personally, Arthur? Would you
like to continue our discussion about Jesus?
Take your Christianity and stick it up your ass.
Perhaps you're trying to offend me, Arthur, but what if I were to instead
give you the exciting information that Jesus loves you? Would that make a
difference in your attitude? Because it's true, ya know. Although your
ancestors killed him, he still loves you.
Read once more before you send...
If the pixie was killed, he could not love any more!!!!
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You see, Jesus is your Messiah as foretold by the prophet Isaiah. Are you
familiar with the prophecies? If not, I suggest you open your Jewish bible
and read.
May I understand what is the difference between Jewish bible and the Christian one
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But no salvation in religion. What about you personally, Arthur? Would you
like to continue our discussion about Jesus?
Take your Christianity and stick it up your ass.
Take it outside, trolls.

Kevin R
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But no salvation in religion. What about you personally, Arthur? Would you
like to continue our discussion about Jesus?
Take your Christianity and stick it up your ass.
Take it outside, trolls.
Kevin R
I don't take orders from idiots.
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But no salvation in religion. What about you personally, Arthur? Would you
like to continue our discussion about Jesus?
Take your Christianity and stick it up your ass.
Take it outside, trolls.
Kevin R
I don't take orders from idiots.
Are you running from God?
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But no salvation in religion. What about you personally, Arthur? Would you
like to continue our discussion about Jesus?
Take your Christianity and stick it up your ass.
Take it outside, trolls.
Kevin R
I don't take orders from idiots.
Are you running from God?
I don't run from imaginary boogiemen.

Nobody has to "run from ghod." The legends, if true,
say he is omnipresent, so where would one run to?
In reality, the alleged being seems to have the quality
of "omni-absence."

You could invalidate my theort by producing the
psychopathic megalomaniac.

Kevin R
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But no salvation in religion. What about you personally, Arthur? Would you
like to continue our discussion about Jesus?
Take your Christianity and stick it up your ass.
Take it outside, trolls.
Kevin R
I don't take orders from idiots.
Are you running from God?
There are so many kinds of pixies in this world.....
Jewish has their own while you have yours. They must be fighting for turf.

But you said running from....it means pixie has no power?
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But no salvation in religion. What about you personally, Arthur? Would you
like to continue our discussion about Jesus?
Take your Christianity and stick it up your ass.
Take it outside, trolls.
Kevin R
I don't take orders from idiots.
And we don't take orders from people like you who are void of integrity.
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But no salvation in religion. What about you personally, Arthur? Would you
like to continue our discussion about Jesus?
Take your Christianity and stick it up your ass.
Take it outside, trolls.
Kevin R
I don't take orders from idiots.
And we don't take orders from people like you who are void of integrity.
evidence?
Ted
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But no salvation in religion. What about you personally, Arthur? Would you
like to continue our discussion about Jesus?
Take your Christianity and stick it up your ass.
Take it outside, trolls.
Kevin R
I don't take orders from idiots.
And we don't take orders from people like you who are void of integrity.
evidence?
Arthur. I have evidence for what I told you and right now I'm getting the
sense that's much fir important so why are you running?
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2017-08-08 01:33:45 UTC
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.


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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
You have proven you know just about nothing about any of the religions.
Now you claim to know why they exist???? HAHAHAHAHA!
Cloud Hobbit
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
You have proven you know just about nothing about any of the religions.
Now you claim to know why they exist???? HAHAHAHAHA!
Nobody said they don't exist you fucking reading impaired moron.
What was said is that no Gods exist and no religion has ever given evidence of the existence of their gods.
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2017-08-08 05:48:40 UTC
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
You have proven you know just about nothing about any of the religions.
Now you claim to know why they exist???? HAHAHAHAHA!
Nobody said they don't exist you fucking reading impaired moron.
I didn't say that.Here is what I said:

You have proven you know just about nothing about any of the religions.
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Now you claim to know why they exist???? HAHAHAHAHA!
What was said is that no Gods exist and no religion has ever given evidence of the existence of their gods.
That's not what he said.He gave a reason for the existence of different religions.

YOU CAN'T READ.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
And therefore what?
Their gods are no more real than yours. At least we have reason to believe Buddha actually existed, unlike Moses, Abraham, Noah, and a host of other fictional people in the bible.
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God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
And only Christianity began under English,
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
And only Christianity began under English,
Bullshit. There was no English language until 400AD.
HOW FUCKING IGNORANT ARE YOU?
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different
languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
And only Christianity began under English,
Bullshit. There was no English language until 400AD.
HOW FUCKING IGNORANT ARE YOU?
The King James Bible was written in old English, but it's still English.
Some people don't realize that because it's hard to understand at first.
But I've studied the Bible for a long time and I know it's English.
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The King James Bible was written in old English, but it's still English.
Some people don't realize that because it's hard to understand at first.
But I've studied the Bible for a long time and I know it's English.
Is someone forging Andrew, or has he somehow developed
a sense of humor?

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Ghod is not mocked!

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The King James Bible was written in old English, but it's still English.
Some people don't realize that because it's hard to understand at first.
But I've studied the Bible for a long time and I know it's English.
Is someone forging Andrew, or has he somehow developed
Not me.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different
languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
And only Christianity began under English,
Bullshit. There was no English language until 400AD.
HOW FUCKING IGNORANT ARE YOU?
The King James Bible was written in old English, but it's still English.
Some people don't realize that because it's hard to understand at first.
But I've studied the Bible for a long time and I know it's English.
The KJV is a translation, dumbass.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different
languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
And only Christianity began under English,
Bullshit. There was no English language until 400AD.
HOW FUCKING IGNORANT ARE YOU?
The King James Bible was written in old English, but it's still English.
Some people don't realize that because it's hard to understand at first.
But I've studied the Bible for a long time and I know it's English.
The KJV is a translation, dumbass.
More like a transcription than a translation. For example, it contains the
original words of Jesus. All other Bibles are merely paraphrases. Have you
opened your Jewish Bible lately?
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different
languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
And only Christianity began under English,
Bullshit. There was no English language until 400AD.
HOW FUCKING IGNORANT ARE YOU?
The King James Bible was written in old English, but it's still English.
Some people don't realize that because it's hard to understand at first.
But I've studied the Bible for a long time and I know it's English.
The KJV is a translation, dumbass.
More like a transcription than a translation. For example, it contains the
original words of Jesus. All other Bibles are merely paraphrases. Have you
opened your Jewish Bible lately?
The Old Testament does not mention Jesus.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different
languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
And only Christianity began under English,
Bullshit. There was no English language until 400AD.
HOW FUCKING IGNORANT ARE YOU?
The King James Bible was written in old English, but it's still English.
Some people don't realize that because it's hard to understand at first.
But I've studied the Bible for a long time and I know it's English.
The KJV is a translation, dumbass.
More like a transcription than a translation. For example, it contains the
original words of Jesus. All other Bibles are merely paraphrases. Have you
opened your Jewish Bible lately?
The Old Testament does not mention Jesus.
Jesus is the underlying theme of the OT. Stop listening to the lies they
tell you.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different
languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
And only Christianity began under English,
Bullshit. There was no English language until 400AD.
HOW FUCKING IGNORANT ARE YOU?
The King James Bible was written in old English, but it's still English.
Some people don't realize that because it's hard to understand at first.
But I've studied the Bible for a long time and I know it's English.
The KJV is a translation, dumbass.
More like a transcription than a translation.
WRONG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different
languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
And only Christianity began under English,
Bullshit. There was no English language until 400AD.
HOW FUCKING IGNORANT ARE YOU?
The King James Bible was written in old English, but it's still English.
Some people don't realize that because it's hard to understand at first.
But I've studied the Bible for a long time and I know it's English.
The KJV is a translation, dumbass.
More like a transcription than a translation.
WRONG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version
The translation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England.[9] In common with most other translations of the period, the New Testament was translated from Greek, the Old Testament from Hebrew and Aramaic, and the Apocrypha from Greek and Latin.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their
God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of
them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be
several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence
of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different
languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
And only Christianity began under English,
Bullshit. There was no English language until 400AD.
HOW FUCKING IGNORANT ARE YOU?
The King James Bible was written in old English, but it's still English.
Some people don't realize that because it's hard to understand at first.
But I've studied the Bible for a long time and I know it's English.
The KJV is a translation, dumbass.
More like a transcription than a translation.
WRONG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version
No, Arthur. You can't rely on Wikipedia for spiritual information. They lie
about evolution, for example.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
...so what ? ...we have religion because people were ignorant and
couldn't explain the world by any other means. What language
religion started under is irrelevant.

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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions. If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
There are different religions for the same reason there are different languages, jackass.
..wrong !! ...there are different religions because no god has ever
materialized and provided help and guidance. Thus no one can agree on
how to define, praise or grovel to any god. Every religion and their
associated sects has concocted their own variants. Every religion is
the one true religion. It's a fucking mess.
Hinduism began under the Hindu language
Judaism began under Hebrew
Islam began under Arabic
Buddhism began under Chinese
...so what ? ...we have religion because people were ignorant and
couldn't explain the world by any other means. What language
religion started under is irrelevant.
So now you claim to be able to read the minds of people who have been dead for centuries?HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hey, idiot! Religion does more than explain natural phenomena.
You just proved how ignorant you are.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions.
Conclusive? By what standard?

Lots of people believe otherwise. Fact is, hundreds of millions of people believe otherwise.

Could YOU be wrong?
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If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
Who says? You?
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All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
You can neither define what is "reliable, conclusive evidence" nor can you rationally claim that no one has ever provided it.

Do you think you're God? Are you omniscient?
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions.
Conclusive? By what standard?
I have spelled this out for you more than once. A standard that nobody could deny because everybody experienced it.
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Lots of people believe otherwise.
Irrelevant. Beliefs prove nothing

Fact is, hundreds of millions of people believe otherwise.
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Could YOU be wrong?
Nope. Not based on the available evidence.
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If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
Who says? You?
Yes and many other sane people. Why, if there were such evidence would anybody believe in a different religion than the one that has verifiable evidence of a deity?
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All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
You can neither define what is "reliable, conclusive evidence" nor can you rationally claim that no one has ever provided it.
Reliable as in verifiable, repeatable, available to anybody without having to believe first.
giving the same result on successive trials

Conclusive, meaning without doubt.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conclusive
putting an end to debate or question especially by reason of irrefutability
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Do you think you're God? Are you omniscient?
No, but there is no such thing as omniscient. There is, however, such a thing as objective reality and there has not been any sign of an objectively real god ever by anyone. If there was then there would be no atheists and no debate.

You have nothing.
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The fact that NO RELIGION HAS ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of any of their God(s) is the sole reason there are so many religions.
Conclusive? By what standard?
I have spelled this out for you more than once. A standard that nobody could deny because everybody experienced it.
There is no such standard if you can't describe it. This is so open that it describes everything and nothing at all.

To say nothing of the many atheists who simply refuse to believe that NO evidence can prove the existence of God and so ANYTHING they see is simply a natural process.
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Lots of people believe otherwise.
Irrelevant. Beliefs prove nothing
Beliefs prove EVERYTHING.
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Fact is, hundreds of millions of people believe otherwise.
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Could YOU be wrong?
Nope. Not based on the available evidence.
You've not seen all the available evidence. Do you think you're omniscient?
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If any one of them had any conclusive evidence of any God(s) there would not be several different religions.
That can only happen when nobody can provide any serious evidence of any deities.
Who says? You?
Yes and many other sane people. Why, if there were such evidence would anybody believe in a different religion than the one that has verifiable evidence of a deity?
You're talking in circles again. I fear for science if everyone were as illogical as you.
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All that is required to end atheism is reliable, conclusive evidence of a deity which no religion and no person have ever provided.
You can neither define what is "reliable, conclusive evidence" nor can you rationally claim that no one has ever provided it.
Reliable as in verifiable, repeatable, available to anybody without having to believe first.
giving the same result on successive trials
Conclusive, meaning without doubt.
As I said, there are atheists...most of them, I suspect...who would simple explain ANYTHING as the result of a natural process.
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conclusive
putting an end to debate or question especially by reason of irrefutability
You're deluded.
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Do you think you're God? Are you omniscient?
No, but there is no such thing as omniscient. There is, however, such a thing as objective reality and there has not been any sign of an objectively real god ever by anyone.
You can't say that because you've never talked to everyone who's ever lived, you've never read every account of people who've had experiences of God.

You're making a ridiculous claim and you ARE claiming to be omniscient.
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If there was then there would be no atheists and no debate.
You have nothing.
I have you in my hip pocket, anonymous coward.
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