Post by raven1
Nope. Nice try, Jesper. You claim that "Planetary Constellations" are
a thing. Then name one.
Hehe, the fool doesn't even know there is such a thing as
constellations of planets...
--bt, but they are stars, not planets.
hahaha :) Seriously, Birdbrain, do you now understand how stupd
atheism has made you?
Krishna and Mahabharata : Historical reality
By Desh (Aug. 31, 2009)
Dr Manish Pandit, a nuclear medicine physician from UK is making a
movie on Krishna as a historic figure. Pandit has based his movie on
dates and timelines coming out of scientific based research by
credible evidence based on Archeology, Astronomy and Linguistics,
apart from Oral evidence from Indian radition. Mahabharat War started
on November 22, 3067 BC. This comes out of astronomical evidence. And
the astronomical juxtapositions are not arbitrary or those that could
happen in any decade or such... but some of them have not happened
They are THAT rare a phenomenon. Saturn at Rohini and Mars at Jyestha
with two eclipses - a Lunar eclipse at Kartik and Solar eclipse at
Jyesth. (these are from Udyoga and Bhisma Parvan).
(1)Amavasya occurs in Jyestha in 19 years
(2) (1) PLUS Solar Eclipse in Jyesth occurs in 340 years.
(3) (2) PLUS Saturn at Rohini occurs ONCE in 7000 years.
So, that constellation in astronomy has NOT occured since Mahabharat.
The date - exact one - when that would have happened is Nov 22, 3067
BC. Update: i found an article which is very well written, which I am
afraid may go away from that site. I have reproduced it at the bottom.
Not only that, but the latter events like destructiion of Dwarka
(based on the astronomical events mentioned around that) occur at
EXACTLY as the text says
36 years later.
Pandit has based his research on work of Dr Narhari Achar (a professor
of physics at the University of Memphis, Tennessee, in the US).
According to Achar, Krishna was born in 3112 BC. However, another
person has used dates and astronomical events to zero in on the dates
of that time, Arun K Bansal. According to him, Krishna was born on
July 21, 3228 BC anddied at 2 pm on February 18, 3102 BC. That is when
is supposed to have started and Dwapar Yug came to an end. So,
Bansal's dates are a few decades prior to Achar's dates. However,
there are more people who side with Dr. Achar (refer to the article
reproduced below). Here are a few dates that can be identified with
respect to the dates by Dr. Achar: § Lord Krishna, on His final peace
mission, set out for Hastinapur on 26th September, 3067 B.C. when the
moon was at the asterism Revati.
§ Lord Krishna arrived Hastinapur on 28th September, 3067 B.C., when
the moon was at the asterism Bharani.
§ The full moon and lunar eclipse at Krittika occurred on 29th
September, 3067 B.C.
§ The solar eclipse at Jyestha occurred on 14th October, 3067 B.C.
§ Lord Balarama set out for pilgrimage on 1st November, 3067 B.C.
§ The War began on 22nd November, 3067 B.C.
§ Lord Balarama concluded His pilgrimage on 12th December, 3067 B.C.
§ The winter solstice occurred on 13th January, 3066 B.C.
§ Bhishma died on 17th January, 3066 B.C.
§ The comet Mahaghora appeared at the asterism Pushya in October,
Mahabharat dates and Historical Events
Interestingly, the decades when Dwapar Yuga is supposed to have ended
and Kali Yug supposed to have started as per these dates.. were also
the years of some MAJOR climatic shift on earth - due most probably to
major shifts in Solar Activity! Some of the MAJOR things that
§ Sahara region changed from a habitable land to a barren desert!
§ Glaciers Expanded covering plants.
§ Atmospheric temperatures fell drastically.
This was also the time, when Harrapan Civilization or Sindhu-Saraswati
Civilization is supposed to have began.
Some people believe that Mahabharat was a Nuclear War. Why? Because of
some explanations that defy contemporary knowledge of weapons that
people of THAT time could conceivably have created. Weapons with such
impact could not have been conjured up just out of nowhere..
REPEATEDLY.. in various parts of the text. See below for one such
description of its effects. It is not surprising that even in the
modern world, Robert Oppenheimer, Nuclear Scientist jumped up after
seeing the Atomic blast and cited a similar verse from Gita (part of
Now, if you see the extreme climactic changes - creation of desert out
of habitable land in Sahara and drastic fall in atmospheric
temperature as if Solar Activity had changed - it may not be entirely
unlikely, that those
climatic shifts may have mimicked a Nuclear Winter. Mahabharat is a
fantastic epic and one which would have required MORE than just
imagination to write. No writer has ever written something so
of whack with his times, mores and thinking... as a Mahabharat within
the context of History as taught in our school texts suggests. It
seems so fantastic that even the idea seems absurd! That alone - the
imagination of a writer 5000 years ago to write something that (if
linera historical progress is taken to be true) ONLY people of today
could have seen/heard/experienced/imagined! Its not just wishful
imagination - as parting of seas et al - but very exact descriptions
of things that happen today and could happen tomorrow. The philosophy
of Gita is hitherto unparalleled in the spiritual realm. No Saint,
prophet, Master, or mystic has covered so many topologies - Knowledge,
Devotion, Action, - with so much mastery. What I am trying to say is
that you cannot get something out of nowhere. You can only conjure up
stuff that is there in your immediate consciousness.
Fantasies and miracles in knowledge dont make sense to me! An
incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand
suns, rose with all its splendour. It was an unknown weapon, an iron
a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race
of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. The corpses were so burned as to be
unrecognizable. Hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without
and the birds turned white. .After a few hours all foodstuffs were
infected. .to escape from this fire the soldiers threw themselves in
streams to wash themselves and their equipment.
1. 'Lord Krishna existed. School texts are wrong'
2. Krishna (b. July 21, 3228 BC)
3. 33rd century BC
4. Pre-historic Nuclear War and ancient Flying Aircraft uncovered
Historicity of Mahabharat
In January 2001, Indian History Congress was holding its Annual
Conference at the Alipur Campus of the University of Calcutta and at
the concluding session of the said Conference the Nobel Laureate
economist Dr. Amartya Sen, while addressing the delegates, said that
Ramayana and Mahabharata do not have any historical value. These two
epics are simply mythology and nothing but poets fancy. He also said
that neither Rama nor Krishna was a historical personality and both of
them were simply mythical.
Gandhiji wrote two commentaries on Shrimadbhagavadgita, Anasaktiyoga
and Gitabodha, and in the introduction of the former work, he wrote,
Generally Mahabharata is taken to be a historical work. But in my
opinion, it is not so. I cannot say that Ramayana and Mahabharata are
historical works. They are simply religious works. If you are still
inclined to treat them as historical works, then I should say that
they are nothing but the history of the Self (Atma). They do not
contain what happened thousands of years ago. On the contrary, they
are the reflections of what is happening today in every soul.
About Lord Krishna, he wrote, Krishna of Gita is the embodiment of
pure and divine knowledge, but without having any physical existence.
By this the Avatar Krishna is not denied at all, but only it is said
that He is mythical. It is not difficult to understand that all such
utterances of Sen, Gandhi and many other like minded Indians derive
inspiration from the Western interpretation of Indian history. Most of
the Western scholars firmly believe that our ancestors grossly
neglected writing history and what we claim to be our history is
nothing but mythology. So M. Winternitz in his History of Indian
Literature writes, History is one weak spot in Indian literature.
It is, in fact, non-existent. The total lack of historical sense is so
characteristic that the whole course of Sanskrit literature is
darkened by the defect. The renowned German scholar Max Muller, in
his History of Ancient Sanskrit Literature, writes, No wonder that a
nation like India cared so little for history. With regard to
history, the Hindus have done really nothing but romances from which
some truth may occasionally be extracted, says another Western
scholar Major Wilford.
These scholars refuse to accept Ramayana, Mahabharata and the Puranas
as historical works as there are no mention of year and dates of the
events described therein. But people of this country firmly believe
that Ramayana, Mahabharata and the Puranas are their history and not
simply epics or poets fancy. So Dr. S. Kalyanaraman, the director of
the Chennai based Saraswati River Research Centre, says that the
historicity of the events described in Ramayana and Mahabharata is
validated by two evidences: one is based on tradition and the other is
based on jyotisha, or planetary configurations and other celestial
events narrated along with mundane events described in those epics,
which may be called sky epigraphs.
So far tradition is concerned, people of this nation believe that Lord
Rama was born on the day of Ramanavami and Lord Krishna was born on
the day of Janmastami and so on. In fact, there is a long list of such
traditional beliefs such as: Bhishma died on the Bhishmastami day, on
the day of Vijaya Dashami, Lord Rama celebrated the day, with His
army, as the day of victory after killing Ravana and defeating his
army just on the previous day, on the day of Deepavali, Lord Rama
returned to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile and the people of Ayodhya
celebrated the day and decorated their houses by lighting lamps and
the tradition is still being continued; the War of Kurukshetra began
on the day of Gita Jayanti and so on and so forth. It is really
strange that the people of Western Garhwal, now in the state of
Uttaranchal, observe every year the Duryodhana Festival.
There also exists a temple dedicated to Duryodhana where people offer
their puja and many believe that the city of Varanavat, where
Duryodhana tried to burn the Pandavas alive, was situated in that
locality. It is also really striking that people of this country offer
water in memory of Bhishma during shraddha ceremony. The point to be
highlighted here is that, had all these been poets fancy and
mythical, the traditions could not have been continued for such a long
time. The aspect of celestial epigraph, or planetary positions
described in these epics, particularly in Mahabharata, undoubtedly
shows that the said epics do mention the dates of events described
therein, which the Western scholars failed miserably to understand. In
Mahabharata alone there are 150 instances where worldly events are
mentioned along with the planetary positions in the sky. And, in
addition to that, other astronomical events such as occurrence of an
eclipse, or appearance of a comet, or rare events like shower of
meteorites have been mentioned.
A few of such examples may be mentioned below The Udyoga Parva of
Mahabharata narrates that, just before the War, Lord Krishna, in His
final peace mission, went to Hastinapur in the month of Kartika. He
set out on the day when moon was at the asterism Revati. On His way to
Hastinapur, Krishna took rest for a day at a place called Brikasthala,
and on that day the moon was at the asterism Bharani.
The day on which Duryodhana turned down each and every effort of Lord
Krishna to make peace and made the war inevitable, the moon was
resting at the asterism Pushya. And the Lord left Hastinapura with
Karna, on the day when the moon was yet to reach the asterism Uttara
Phalguni. As mentioned above, Karna accompanied Him to some distance
to see Him off and he then described to the Lord the positions of
planets in the sky and expressed his apprehension that such a
planetary configuration stood for very bad omen: such as large scale
loss of life and drenching of blood. Vyasadeva narrated all these
planetary positions in as many as sixteen verses as if someone was
describing it after visualizing them in the sky. It is also well known
that during the War, Lord Balarama went on a pilgrimage to holy places
along the banks of the River Saraswati and Mahabharata describes the
position of the moon during the entire course of pilgrimage. For
example, He set out on the day when the moon was at the asterism
Pushya and returned on the day when the moon was at the asterism
Shravana. The Mahabharata also mentions the occurrence of a solar
eclipse at the asterism Jyestha and a lunar eclipse at the asterism
Krittika, just before the beginning of the War.
It also mentions the appearance of a comet at the asterism Pushya, on
the 8th day of the bright half of the month of Magha, when Bhishma
died. On that day the moon was at the asterism Rohini and it was the
day of Winter Solstice. The day on which Ghatotkacha, son of Bhima,
died, the moon appeared at the horizon at 2.00 a.m. The epic also
mentions the occurrence of a very rare astronomical event that took
place prior to the War: three eclipses, two lunar and a solar, within
a lunar month of 27 days. There is also another continuing tradition
in this country that says that the beginning of the present Kali Yuga,
Kurukshetra War, death of Lord Krishna and coronation of Emperor
Yudhishthira were contemporary events. Famous astronomer Aryabhatta in
his celebrated work Aryabhatiyam had accepted the said tradition and
used the word Bharatapurvam in the said work very often and scholars
agree that he used the word to refer to such events that occurred
before the Mahabharata War. In 1991, Dr. D. Abhayankar and Dr. Ballabh
of the Osmania University calculated that the present Kali Yuga began
on 7th February, 3104 B.C. But it is now well accepted by the both
Eastern and the Western scholars that the present Kali Yuga began on
the midnight of 17th and 18th February, 3102 B.C. And hence it can
roughly be said that the Mahabharata War took place nearly 5000 years
ago from now.
Today, man has created a machine called computer which, though most
idiotic, can do mathematical calculations at an incredible speed.
According to a popular ad of a computer company, the calculations
which Johannes Kepler took ten years to complete, can be done today
within minutes, using a computer. It has therefore been possible for
the scientists, with the help of this fantastic machine, to determine
the dates of ancient events with unthinkable accuracy, using the
planetary configurations given in the Mahabharata , as inputs. They
have developed so many software for this purpose and to name a few
are: (1) Planetarium, (2) Ecliptic, (3) Lode star and the(4) Panchang
Software. In 2003, a two day seminar was held on 5th and 6th January,
in Bangalore, on The Date of Mahabharata War: Based on Astronomical
Data Using Planetarium Software, and a few of the eminent researchers
who submitted papers were (1) Dr. S. Balakrishna of NASA, USA; (2) Dr.
B. N. Narahari Achar, Department of Physics, Memphis University, USA;
(3) Dr. R. N. Iyengar, Department of Civil
Engineering, IISc, Bangalore; (4) Dr. S. Kalyanaraman, Saraswati River
Research Centre, Chennai and so on.
These scientists agree that there does not exist any contradiction
between any two descriptions of planetary configurations given in the
Mahabharata. Dr. S. Balakrishna has studied the eclipses, both solar
and lunar, described in the Mahabharata and tried to find out the
dates of those eclipses using the Lode Star Software. Generally 240
solar and 150 lunar eclipses occur in a century and during the period
from 3300 B.C. to 700 B.C. nearly 6000 solar and 4000 lunar eclipses
took place, though not all of them were visible from India, or to be
more precise, from Kurukshetra. Out of them, 672 were eclipse pairs,
or both solar and lunar eclipses within a lunar month. Dr. Balakrishna
studied the eclipses those have been mentioned in the text of
Mahabharata. In fact, there are mentions of solar eclipses at 8 places
in Mahabharata, out of which three of them are very important.
Firstly, the solar eclipse that is mentioned in the Sabha Parva. The
second solar eclipse which is mentioned in the Udyoga Parva to which
Karna tried to draw the attention of Lord Krishna when He was
returning from Hastinapur.
The third important solar eclipse has been mentioned in the Shalya
Parva, that occurred along with two lunar eclipses within a month.
Many believe that there was a total solar eclipse occurred on the 13th
day of the War, which has been allegorically mentioned as covering the
sun by Lord Krishna with is His Sudarshan Chakra. The epic Mahabharata
has so many other aspects which common people do not know. Firstly,
the epic as we see it today containing 100,000 verses was not the
creation of Vedavyasa. He composed what was then known as the Jai,
containing only 8,800 verses. Later on Rishi Vaishampayana enlarged it
to contain 24,000 verses which was then known as the Bharata. Finally
Sauti, the son of the suta (the chariot driver) Lomaharshana, gave it
present form as we see now, containing 100,000 verses.
It has been mentioned earlier that just prior to the Mahabharata War,
a very rare event of three eclipses occurring within a lunar month
took place: a lunar eclipse followed by a solar one and then another
lunar eclipse. According to the text of Mahabharata, the solar eclipse
occurred just 13 days after the first lunar eclipse. Dr. S.
Balakrishna of NASA, USA, has searched all eclipse pairs, a lunar
eclipse followed by a solar eclipse after 13 days, that took place
from 3300 B.C. to 700 B.C., using the Lodestar pro-software. He found
that nearly 672 eclipse pairs have occurred within the said period,
out of which 27 pairs have been found to have less than 14 days time
gap. And according to Dr. Balakrishna, the eclipse pair of 2559 is the
best match with the description given in the text of Mahabharata. But
according to Dr. Kalyanaraman, the eclipses occurred in 3067 B.C.- the
lunar eclipse on 29th September at the asterism Krittika and the solar
eclipse on 14th October at the asterism Jyestha. Researcher Dr. P. V.
Holay examined 6 planetary configurations given in the Mahabharata and
concluded that the War began on 13th November, 3143 B.C.
But Dr. K. S. Raghavan and his coworker Dr. G. S. Sampath Iyengar,
using the Planetarium software came to the conclusion that the
Kurukshetra War began on 22nd day of November, 3067 B.C. (according to
the present Gregorian calendar). Professor Dr. Narahari Achar of the
University of Memphis, USA, also arrived at the same conclusion using
the said Planetarium software. Dr. S. Kalyanaraman of the Saraswati
River Research Centre, Chennai, found the estimates of Dr. K. S.
Raghavan and Dr. Narahari Achar correct and, on that basis, calculated
the dates of some other important events of Mahabharata. For example:
Lord Krishna, on His final peace mission, set out for Hastinapur on
26th September, 3067 B.C. when the moon was at the asterism Revati.
Lord Krishna arrived Hastinapur on 28th September, 3067 B.C., when the
moon was at the asterism Bharani. The full moon and lunar eclipse at
Krittika occurred on 29th September, 3067 B.C. The solar eclipse at
Jyestha occurred on 14th October, 3067 B.C. Lord Balarama set out for
pilgrimage on 1st November, 3067 B.C. The War began on 22nd November,
3067 B.C. Lord Balarama concluded His pilgrimage on 12th December,
3067 B.C. The winter solstice occurred on 13th January, 3066 B.C.
Bhishma died on 17th January, 3066 B.C. The comet Mahaghora appeared
at the asterism Pushya in October, 3066 B.C. inally, it should be
mentioned that the said seminar officially accepted that the
Mahabharata War began, as mentioned above, on 22nd November, 3067 B.C.
So it appears that the Mahabharata War took place, not in Dwapara Yuga
but, in the 35th year of the present Kali Yuga. It is not unlikely
because according to the text of Mahabharata, the War took place at
the juncture of Dwapara and Kali Yuga. Last year, (2005 A.D.),
astrologer Arun Kumar Bansal, using computer software, calculated date
of birth of Lord Krishna and it was 21st July, 3228 B.C. So it appears
that during the Mahabharata War, age of Lord Krishna was 161 years.
At the first sight, it may appear to be absurd. But it should be
mentioned here that, according to Hindu scriptures, the normal life
span of human beings is 400 years in Krita (or Satya), 300 years in
Treta, 200 years in Dwapara and 100 years in Kali Yuga. In fact,
during the Kurukshetra War, most of the military top brass of both
Kauravas and Pandavas were more than 100 years old.
To conclude, it should be mentioned here that the discovery of the
ruins of the city of Dwaraka by the renowned archaeologist Dr. S. R.
Rao, under the Arabian Sea, provides another strong evidence that Lord
Krishna and the story of Mahabharata were a reality and not simply
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