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2017-05-29 21:03:04 UTC
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On Mon, 29 May 2017 17:03:04 -0400, Bob <***@null.null> wrote:

It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
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2017-05-29 21:27:43 UTC
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.

The same thing can be said about believing in ghosts.

Thanks for proving the truth of this thread's subject.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the
contradictions. Seeing the inherent contradictions should cause one
to question the veracity and that should negate belief.

But then I assume someone with a logical rational mind, something the
religiously inculcated lack.
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The same thing can be said about believing in ghosts.
Most people, when questioned, would say they "don't believe in
ghosts." I've noticed though, that the religious tend to believe in
all manner of occult beliefs, not just in ghosts and deities.

When I read a novel or watch a movie I understand that to be
entertained I have to suspend my disbelief. I can do that, unless it
is so ridiculous that the contradictions get to the point where I
can't ignore them.

When the book is read or the movie over I go back to reality. Much as
I like the idea that evil gets punished or I could live forever if I
just followed someone else's rules, I just can't suspend my disbelief
because it makes no sense and there is no proof.
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Thanks for proving the truth of this thread's subject.
The truth is most people will believe what makes them feel secure in
spite of any and all evidence to the contrary.

I remember watching this episode of "Vice," the Bill Maher documentary
series. They are down in Texas where there's been several years of
drought. The climate deniers refuse to believe that it is caused by
climate change. (because, they say, only god can control the weather)
These very same people do things like throw rock-salt into the air
because they believe that causes rain, hire tribal natives to dance
for rain, pray for rain, etc., and nothing works, but they still
refuse to believe that maybe (just maybe) scientists who have been
studying climate for decades may just be right about it and it's
causes.
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2017-05-30 10:31:22 UTC
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.

With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.

AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
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2017-05-30 16:15:13 UTC
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one would expect a
bit more agreement among the Christians about what those scriptures mean.
instead, we have competing groups claiming that they have the proper
interpretation.

It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a ghod,
but you need that ghod's intervention to understand what you read,
but the very verses in the babble that support the idea of the trinity
and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed among
various flavors of Christians. the snake continues to eat its tail.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

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2017-05-30 17:51:17 UTC
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures....
And there it is.

There's your first mistake. After that, it becomes a Slippery Slope.

The Holy Spirit does not "inspire people to understand the Christian
Scriptures".

The Holy Spirit regenerates only those who have been chosen by God for
salvation so that they want to understand the Bible, and they want to
know God, and they want to spend more time studying the Word with other
Christians, and they want to stop doing the bad they had been doing, and
they want to start doing good. The emphasis in all of those is on two
words; the word "only", and the word "want".

If you miss that, you've missed it all.



P.S. I'm not expecting you to get any of it, at all.
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The Holy Spirit regenerates only those who have been chosen by God
Or, in other words, those not possessed of the ability to think. So
when Jesus said the meek would inherit the earth, the meekness he
referred to was those people of weak mental ability...

Why they are also called sheep - docile, easily led; easy to fleece
and slaughter.
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2017-05-31 00:12:29 UTC
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The Holy Spirit regenerates only those who have been chosen by God
Or, in other words, those not possessed of the ability to think. So
when Jesus said the meek would inherit the earth, the meekness he
referred to was those people of weak mental ability...
Why they are also called sheep - docile, easily led; easy to fleece
and slaughter.
Again, that's exactly what he wants' you to believe.
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2017-05-31 03:24:48 UTC
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The Holy Spirit regenerates only those who have been chosen by God
Or, in other words, those not possessed of the ability to think. So
when Jesus said the meek would inherit the earth, the meekness he
referred to was those people of weak mental ability...
Why they are also called sheep - docile, easily led; easy to fleece
and slaughter.
Again, that's exactly what he wants' you to believe.
Why do you say such things about God?
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2017-05-31 04:45:33 UTC
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The Holy Spirit regenerates only those who have been chosen by God
Or, in other words, those not possessed of the ability to think. So
when Jesus said the meek would inherit the earth, the meekness he
referred to was those people of weak mental ability...
Why they are also called sheep - docile, easily led; easy to fleece
and slaughter.
Again, that's exactly what he wants' you to believe.
Why do you say such things about God?
Because that's what the Bible says.
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The Holy Spirit regenerates only those who have been chosen by God
Or, in other words, those not possessed of the ability to think. So
when Jesus said the meek would inherit the earth, the meekness he
referred to was those people of weak mental ability...
Why they are also called sheep - docile, easily led; easy to fleece
and slaughter.
Again, that's exactly what he wants' you to believe.
Why do you say such things about God?
Because that's what the Bible says.
Christians are programmed to say only good things about God but since
that is impossible they should be quiet and quit while behind.
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2017-05-31 09:18:58 UTC
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The Holy Spirit regenerates only those who have been chosen by God
Or, in other words, those not possessed of the ability to think. So
when Jesus said the meek would inherit the earth, the meekness he
referred to was those people of weak mental ability...
Why they are also called sheep - docile, easily led; easy to fleece
and slaughter.
Again, that's exactly what he wants' you to believe.
Why do you say such things about God?
Because that's what the Bible says.
Christians are programmed to say only good things about God but since
that is impossible they should be quiet and quit while behind.
Ain't that weird? That sounds like something you've been programmed to say.

But don't worry, everything God does is perfectly good and righteous and
just.

Rejecting you was a good, righteous and just thing for God to do.

He should have rejected me, but he predestined me for salvation instead.

Thanks to the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, that too is
perfectly
good and righteous and just.

See how that works?

Cool huh?
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2017-05-31 10:53:00 UTC
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He should have rejected me, but he predestined me for salvation instead.
You can't prove that to the satisfaction of any rational being
already brainwashed by the particular theology you ascribe to.

Even if your dogma were true, it'd be a bitch if you were wrong
about being one of the elect, wouldn't it?

Is being a pluperfect asshole and spamming troll a mark of election?

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2017-05-31 13:48:55 UTC
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He should have rejected me, but he predestined me for salvation instead.
You can't prove that to the satisfaction of any rational being
already brainwashed by the particular theology you ascribe to.
You don't know what you're talking about.

Matthew 7:16.

What is wrong with you? Why couldn't you figure that out for yourself?
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He should have rejected me, but he predestined me for salvation instead.
You can't prove that to the satisfaction of any rational being
already brainwashed by the particular theology you ascribe to.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Matthew 7:16.
What is wrong with you? Why couldn't you figure that out for yourself?
I don't consider babble quotations to be dispositive.

As for fruits, what does that make you: sea mango, or perhaps
holly berry?

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He should have rejected me, but he predestined me for salvation instead.
You can't prove that to the satisfaction of any rational being
already brainwashed by the particular theology you ascribe to.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Matthew 7:16.
What is wrong with you? Why couldn't you figure that out for yourself?
I don't consider babble quotations to be dispositive.
As for fruits, what does that make you: sea mango, or perhaps
holly berry?
Excuse me if I don't bother laughing now.

I promise you, I will be laughing when I see you burning in Hell.
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He should have rejected me, but he predestined me for salvation instead.
You can't prove that to the satisfaction of any rational being
already brainwashed by the particular theology you ascribe to.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Matthew 7:16.
What is wrong with you? Why couldn't you figure that out for yourself?
I don't consider babble quotations to be dispositive.
As for fruits, what does that make you: sea mango, or perhaps
holly berry?
Excuse me if I don't bother laughing now.
I promise you, I will be laughing when I see you burning in Hell.
More True Christian Love, I see.

You won't see anything. You may not realize it, but the chance that
your consciousness will survive the death of your body is vanishingly
small, as it is for the survival of mine or anyone else's.

Your desire to see your fellow sapients tortured marks you as a sadist.
You should get some help for that. It isn't healthy.

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He should have rejected me, but he predestined me for salvation instead.
You can't prove that to the satisfaction of any rational being
already brainwashed by the particular theology you ascribe to.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Matthew 7:16.
What is wrong with you? Why couldn't you figure that out for yourself?
I don't consider babble quotations to be dispositive.
As for fruits, what does that make you: sea mango, or perhaps
holly berry?
Excuse me if I don't bother laughing now.
I promise you, I will be laughing when I see you burning in Hell.
More True Christian Love.
You've got it all backwards, again.

Christian love is what we have for other Christians, or for those
interested in
learning about God and Christianity.

For people like you, who blaspheme God continually, we only have hatred.
The same as God, who will also be laughing at you.

"The Lord laughs at the wicked, for he sees that his day is coming."
(Psalm 37:13)

All of Heaven will be laughing at you while your flesh burns, but is not
consumed.

I can hardly wait.
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More True Christian Love.
You've got it all backwards, again.
Christian love is what we have for other Christians, or for those
interested in
learning about God and Christianity.
So, your version of Jesus didn't teach that everyone is your brother?
No wonder you have such a crabbed outlook.
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For people like you, who blaspheme God continually, we only have hatred.
The same as God, who will also be laughing at you.
"The Lord laughs at the wicked, for he sees that his day is coming."
(Psalm 37:13)
Got a babble verse where Jesus tells you to hate others? Not the sin,
but the sinners? I think it's all bunk, but you could be internally
consistent.
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All of Heaven will be laughing at you
(A place that doesn't exist, which has no, nor will
it ever have, residents.)
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while your flesh burns, but is not consumed.
(a fantasy that won't happen.)
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I can hardly wait.
(Once again proving what a sadistic mind you have.)

I don't hold "agape" up as a value, since I don't much hold with
"unearned love," but Christianity has been about that from the
beginning. What caused this to flip in the Calvinist/Reformed mind?
Was it an identification with a "just ghod?" The Calvinist ghod is
supremely unjust, as it has its thumb on the moral scales from the moment
it ostensibly created people, knowing they would fail its tests.

The fix was in from the start.

If I were to fall for religious nonsense, I'd fall for a nicer version,
I'd think.

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More True Christian Love.
You've got it all backwards, again.
Christian love is what we have for other Christians, or for those
interested in
learning about God and Christianity.
So, your version of Jesus didn't teach that everyone is your brother?
No, you're wrong, again.

That's not my "version of Jesus".

What's wrong with you?
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More True Christian Love.
You've got it all backwards, again.
Christian love is what we have for other Christians, or for those
interested in
learning about God and Christianity.
So, your version of Jesus didn't teach that everyone is your brother?
No, you're wrong, again.
That's not my "version of Jesus".
Sure it is. He's a fictional character, with many authors and interpreters.
The Reformed Jesus is different from the Catholic Jesus, which differs from
Issa, the muslim Jesus, or from the Mormon Jesus....stop me, it could take
all day.

You aren't under the impression that you have THE Jesus, which is the only
Jesus and all the other ones are incorrect versions, are you? That's a
laugh.
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What's wrong with you?
What's wrong with ME? I'm not an atheist posting in a religious
newsgroup, insisting that all the believers are insane for what they
believe. You are the crank here, Bobbo. 100% pure nutbar troll.

Calvinism is an evil little theology, a distinction not unique to it,
and your adherence to it marks you as a morally stunted individual.
That's what's wrong with YOU.

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More True Christian Love.
You've got it all backwards, again.
Christian love is what we have for other Christians, or for those
interested in
learning about God and Christianity.
So, your version of Jesus didn't teach that everyone is your brother?
No, you're wrong, again.
That's not my "version of Jesus".
Sure it is. He's a fictional character.
Let's see you prove that.

You can't. It's a lie.
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More True Christian Love.
You've got it all backwards, again.
Christian love is what we have for other Christians, or for those
interested in
learning about God and Christianity.
So, your version of Jesus didn't teach that everyone is your brother?
No, you're wrong, again.
That's not my "version of Jesus".
Sure it is. He's a fictional character.
Let's see you prove that.
He's a legendary figure by default, until you can prove that
he ever existed, which you can not, at least not to the
satisfaction of someone who doesn't believe in supernatural bilge.
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You can't. It's a lie.
It's not a lie. It is a difference of opinion.
You think you have proof. I think you are misinformed.
Stalemate.

Go argue with one of the thousands of other christian sects.

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Sure it is. He's a fictional character.
Let's see you prove that.
He's a legendary figure by default
So you can't prove your assertion is true.

Just as I said.
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Sure it is. He's a fictional character.
Let's see you prove that.
He's a legendary figure by default
So you can't prove your assertion is true.
Just as I said.
You are the one asserting Josh ever existed. You provide
the convincing evidence. Around this group, the question of
his existence usually boils down to:

a) Somebody with the same name may have lived at the same
time, but Joshua was a common name, as were Yusuf and Miriam.

b) Anyone who asserts that a particular Josh was THE Yeshua of
the New Testament needs to provide serious evidence.

c) Wonder tales ascribed to any Josh, or collection of Joshes,
are legends, until they can be proved to have actually happened.

The rules would be the same for Herakles or Mithra or Thor, etc.

Could a religious reformer named Joshua/Jesus have lived in the
first century of the common era, and could Judean and/or Roman
politicians have had him killed? Sure. That doesn't mean he
rose from the dead or was the son of a deity.

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Sure it is. He's a fictional character.
Let's see you prove that.
He's a legendary figure by default
So you can't prove your assertion is true.
Just as I said.
You are the one asserting Josh ever existed.
You're two thousand years too late.

I knew you couldn't prove your assertion is true.
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Sure it is. He's a fictional character.
Let's see you prove that.
He's a legendary figure by default
So you can't prove your assertion is true.
Just as I said.
You are the one asserting Josh ever existed.
You're two thousand years too late.
OK, certain authors, in the beginning of the first millenium
of the common era, asserted he existed. They never proved that
he did, so your pointing at them means nothing.
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I knew you couldn't prove your assertion is true.
Feh. You can't pull the old "reverse the burden of proof"
trick around here. It won't wash. The entire conversation
between the theists and the skeptics counts, not just one
instance of it.

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Sure it is. He's a fictional character.
Let's see you prove that.
He's a legendary figure by default
So you can't prove your assertion is true.
Just as I said.
You are the one asserting Josh ever existed.
You're two thousand years too late.
OK, certain authors, in the beginning of the first millenium
of the common era, asserted he existed. They never proved that
he did, so your pointing at them means nothing.
Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.

I knew you couldn't prove your assertion is true.
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Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.
Or prove that it did.

You've got 500 affidavits, then? Or 500 memoirs? A memorandum
or two or three signed by 500ish folks? Put up or shut up.

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Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.
Or prove that it did.
You've got 500 affidavits, then? Or 500 memoirs? A memorandum
or two or three signed by 500ish folks? Put up or shut up.
It was proven two thousand years ago. I don't have to prove a thing.

Anyone objecting to it has to disprove it. The burden of proof is on them.

Let's see you do something.
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Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.
Or prove that it did.
You've got 500 affidavits, then? Or 500 memoirs? A memorandum
or two or three signed by 500ish folks? Put up or shut up.
It was proven two thousand years ago.
No, it really wasn't.

This has degraded from argument into contradiction.

{Cue Palin and Cleese.}
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I don't have to prove a thing.
Anyone objecting to it has to disprove it. The burden of proof is on them.
You may well think so, but that's ludicrous. The Hindus could
point at their scriptures and say the same, or the pagan Norse
with their tales of the Aesir and the Vanir. Whom should a
disinterested observer believe, and why? That's a rhetorical
question, by the way. None of those stories rises to a sufficient
level of evidence, yours included.

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Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.
Or prove that it did.
You've got 500 affidavits, then? Or 500 memoirs? A memorandum
or two or three signed by 500ish folks? Put up or shut up.
It was proven two thousand years ago.
No, it really wasn't.
Yes, it was.

Eyewitness testimony is automatically accepted as evidence, until it can
proven false.

No one in the last two thousand years has even come close to proving the
testimonies
of the more than 500 eyewitnesses is false. There's this thing called
the presumption
of innocence, where one is innocent of anything wrong until proven guilty.

You have yet to do that.

Let's go. Jump to it boy.

Let's see you do something.
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Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.
Or prove that it did.
You've got 500 affidavits, then? Or 500 memoirs? A memorandum
or two or three signed by 500ish folks? Put up or shut up.
It was proven two thousand years ago.
No, it really wasn't.
Yes, it was.
Eyewitness testimony is automatically accepted as evidence, until it can
proven false.
Nonsense.

What standard are you using, that of a court of law? have
these witnesses been cross-examined? Had a jury any chance
to listen to those exchanges, and decide if those testifying
were credible? "He walked on water? In a storm? Pull the
other one, it's got bells on it."
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No one in the last two thousand years has even come close to proving the
testimonies
of the more than 500 eyewitnesses is false.
Again with the 500. How many come from the same sources?
Anybody interviewed by a neutral or hostile investigator?
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There's this thing called
the presumption
of innocence, where one is innocent of anything wrong until proven guilty.
Burden of proof in historical method is unrelated to legal
presumption of innocence. Unlike various religious loons,
I have no intention of bringing criminal charges against folks
making unproven theological claims. I wouldn't even have you
burned at the stake for criminal trollery.

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Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.
Or prove that it did.
You've got 500 affidavits, then? Or 500 memoirs? A memorandum
or two or three signed by 500ish folks? Put up or shut up.
It was proven two thousand years ago.
No, it really wasn't.
Yes, it was.
Eyewitness testimony is automatically accepted as evidence, until it can
proven false.
Nonsense.
You can think what you want. Eyewitness testimony has always been
accepted as evidence, especially when more than one person holds the
same testimony. Innocent until proven guilty.
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No one in the last two thousand years has even come close to proving the
testimonies of the more than 500 eyewitnesses is false.
Again with the 500. How many come from the same sources?
Anybody interviewed by a neutral or hostile investigator?
That's your job to find out, not mine.
It's been accepted as true for two thousand years.
It's time for you to wake up, Boy.
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Post by Bob
There's this thing called the presumption of innocence,
where one is innocent of anything wrong until proven guilty.
Burden of proof in historical method is unrelated to legal
presumption of innocence. Unlike various religious loons,
I have no intention of bringing criminal charges against folks
making unproven theological claims. I wouldn't even have you
burned at the stake for criminal trollery.
You couldn't even if you wanted to.

You're just flappin' your gums.
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Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.
Or prove that it did.
You've got 500 affidavits, then? Or 500 memoirs? A memorandum
or two or three signed by 500ish folks? Put up or shut up.
It was proven two thousand years ago.
No, it really wasn't.
Yes, it was.
Eyewitness testimony is automatically accepted as evidence, until it can
proven false.
Nonsense.
You can think what you want. Eyewitness testimony has always been
accepted as evidence, especially when more than one person holds the
same testimony. Innocent until proven guilty.
More nonsense. BITD, when your scriptures were written, the sort of
witnesses you might refer to would not have had their testimony
allowed in court unless those testifying had undergone torture, first.
Historians scrutinize written eyewitness accounts, and the more
plentiful second-hand accounts (or third-hand, etc), which are
equivalent in a court to hearsay, which is often disallowed by
the judge.
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No one in the last two thousand years has even come close to proving the
testimonies of the more than 500 eyewitnesses is false.
Again with the 500. How many come from the same sources?
Anybody interviewed by a neutral or hostile investigator?
That's your job to find out, not mine.
No, you proposed it as evidence, without sourcing it.
Your burden.
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It's been accepted as true for two thousand years.
It's time for you to wake up, Boy.
You don't think I will. You think I can't, unless I'm
one of the "elect," and your ghod hasn't chosen to regenerate
me, yet. Why are you bothering with this? Are you second-
guessing Yahooey?
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There's this thing called the presumption of innocence,
where one is innocent of anything wrong until proven guilty.
Burden of proof in historical method is unrelated to legal
presumption of innocence. Unlike various religious loons,
I have no intention of bringing criminal charges against folks
making unproven theological claims. I wouldn't even have you
burned at the stake for criminal trollery.
You couldn't even if you wanted to.
I don't want to, so it is a moot point. That doesn't change the
fact that you completely misunderstand historical method.
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You're just flappin' your gums.
This is USENET. We are all just exercising our fingers on the
keyboards. Why you choose to troll an atheist newsgroup is
what the Catholics would call a mystery.

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Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.
Or prove that it did.
You've got 500 affidavits, then? Or 500 memoirs? A memorandum
or two or three signed by 500ish folks? Put up or shut up.
It was proven two thousand years ago.
No, it really wasn't.
Yes, it was.
Eyewitness testimony is automatically accepted as evidence, until it can
proven false.
Nonsense.
You can think what you want. Eyewitness testimony has always been
accepted as evidence, especially when more than one person holds the
same testimony. Innocent until proven guilty.
More nonsense. BITD, when your scriptures were written, the sort of
witnesses you might refer to would not have had their testimony
allowed in court unless those testifying had undergone torture, first.
Unless, as in this case, over 500 total strangers, who were at the same
place at the same time, and who saw Jesus, and spoke with Jesus, and ate
with Jesus, and touched Jesus, all gave the same basic account. In that
case, a judge would very definitely allow the evidence to be entered.
But the important thing is, these eyewitnesses were Jews, in Jerusalem,
where the hatred for Jesus, and his claim to be God, was palpable. And
yet, not one of them retracted on their statement, or was found to be a
"planted" disciple.

You're going to make up as many lies as it takes to convince yourself
that it didn't happen. And that's fine. You're expected to do that.
But you will never be able to convince someone who has been, or will
be in the future, regenerated by the Holy Spirit. All you can do is just
believe that it didn't happen, and that's it.

But a lot of people, who lived two thousand years ago, they *knew*
that Jesus rose from the dead. They were predestined to see him alive
after being crucified.

It's OK if you don't want to believe it.

You're predestined to not believe it.

See how that works?

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Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.
Or prove that it did.
You've got 500 affidavits, then? Or 500 memoirs? A memorandum
or two or three signed by 500ish folks? Put up or shut up.
It was proven two thousand years ago.
No, it really wasn't.
Yes, it was.
Eyewitness testimony is automatically accepted as evidence, until it can
proven false.
Nonsense.
You can think what you want. Eyewitness testimony has always been
accepted as evidence, especially when more than one person holds the
same testimony. Innocent until proven guilty.
More nonsense. BITD, when your scriptures were written, the sort of
witnesses you might refer to would not have had their testimony
allowed in court unless those testifying had undergone torture, first.
Unless, as in this case, over 500 total strangers, who were at the same
place at the same time, and who saw Jesus, and spoke with Jesus, and ate
with Jesus, and touched Jesus, all gave the same basic account. In that
case, a judge would very definitely allow the evidence to be entered.
But the important thing is, these eyewitnesses were Jews, in Jerusalem,
where the hatred for Jesus, and his claim to be God, was palpable. And
yet, not one of them retracted on their statement, or was found to be a
"planted" disciple.
No. Paul in Corinthians, says that this is what he "was given". Which
means that Paul (who never claims to have met the Jesus character in the
flesh) say that some un-named person(s) told him that there were 500
witnesses.
It's just a 'friend of a friend' story.
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You're going to make up as many lies as it takes to convince yourself
that it didn't happen. And that's fine. You're expected to do that.
But you will never be able to convince someone who has been, or will
be in the future, regenerated by the Holy Spirit. All you can do is just
believe that it didn't happen, and that's it.
But a lot of people, who lived two thousand years ago, they *knew*
that Jesus rose from the dead. They were predestined to see him alive
after being crucified.
It's OK if you don't want to believe it.
You're predestined to not believe it.
See how that works?
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Sure it is. He's a fictional character.
Let's see you prove that.
He's a legendary figure by default
So you can't prove your assertion is true.
Just as I said.
You are the one asserting Josh ever existed.
You're two thousand years too late.
OK, certain authors, in the beginning of the first millenium
of the common era, asserted he existed. They never proved that
he did, so your pointing at them means nothing.
Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.
Since all Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/Kevin
Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/Bob <***@null.null>
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of the supposed eyewitnesses, their supposed 'testimony' is worthless.
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Sure it is. He's a fictional character.
Let's see you prove that.
He's a legendary figure by default
So you can't prove your assertion is true.
Just as I said.
You are the one asserting Josh ever existed.
You're two thousand years too late.
OK, certain authors, in the beginning of the first millenium
of the common era, asserted he existed. They never proved that
he did, so your pointing at them means nothing.
Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.
WHAT FUCKING "500 eyewitnesses"?

Does the moron not understand that this is at best hearsay, and
therefore worthless?
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Since all Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/Kevin
has is a claim that there were eyewitnesses, not any statement from any
of the supposed eyewitnesses, their supposed 'testimony' is worthless.
These morons don't seem to realise that this weakens whatever case
they're trying to make.

Believers believe the stories because the primary source, the Biblee
- so they don't need these fallacious secondary arguments anyway.

Those who don't already believe the Bible in the first place, aren't
going to believe it whan it says 500 people saw something that is
physically impossible anyway.
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Sure it is. He's a fictional character.
Let's see you prove that.
He's a legendary figure by default
So you can't prove your assertion is true.
Just as I said.
You are the one asserting Josh ever existed.
You're two thousand years too late.
OK, certain authors, in the beginning of the first millenium
of the common era, asserted he existed. They never proved that
he did, so your pointing at them means nothing.
Over 500 eyewitnesses after the Resurrection saw him, spoke with him,
ate with him. And in the last two thousand years, no one has ever been
able to prove that didn't happen.
WHAT FUCKING "500 eyewitnesses"?
Does the moron not understand that this is at best hearsay, and
therefore worthless?
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Since all Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/Kevin
has is a claim that there were eyewitnesses, not any statement from any
of the supposed eyewitnesses, their supposed 'testimony' is worthless.
These morons don't seem to realise that this weakens whatever case
they're trying to make.
Believers believe the stories because the primary source, the Biblee
- so they don't need these fallacious secondary arguments anyway.
Those who don't already believe the Bible in the first place, aren't
going to believe it whan it says 500 people saw something that is
physically impossible anyway.
Yes, and the documents used to report this were written by
interested parties, edited by interested parties, and such
documents that didn't toe the line re the "official story"
were consigned to apocryphal status, and in some cases, the flames.

He's got nuffin!


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The Holy Spirit regenerates only those who have been chosen by God
Or, in other words, those not possessed of the ability to think. So
when Jesus said the meek would inherit the earth, the meekness he
referred to was those people of weak mental ability...
Why they are also called sheep - docile, easily led; easy to fleece
and slaughter.
Again, that's exactly what he wants' you to believe.
ba ba ba
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The Holy Spirit regenerates only those who have been chosen by God
Or, in other words, those not possessed of the ability to think. So
when Jesus said the meek would inherit the earth, the meekness he
referred to was those people of weak mental ability...
Why they are also called sheep - docile, easily led; easy to fleece
and slaughter.
Again, that's exactly what he wants' you to believe.
ba ba ba
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures....
And there it is.
There's your first mistake. After that, it becomes a Slippery Slope.
The Holy Spirit does not "inspire people to understand the Christian
Scriptures".
The sentence started with IF, doofus. I don't believe that
actually happens.
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The Holy Spirit regenerates only those who have been chosen by God for
salvation
More of your Calvinist nonsense. You are a trinitarian, aren't you?
so when you say "Holy Spirit" you are referring to one of Yahooey's
"persons," avatars, multiple personalities, etc, none of which I
believe in, either.
Post by Bob
so that they want to understand the Bible, and they want to
know God, and they want to spend more time studying the Word with other
Christians, and they want to stop doing the bad they had been doing, and
they want to start doing good. The emphasis in all of those is on two
words; the word "only", and the word "want".
So they only want to do this if their ghod makes them want to?
Then they are puppets - moral robots.
Post by Bob
If you miss that, you've missed it all.
P.S. I'm not expecting you to get any of it, at all.
You might want to stop casting your "pearls" before us
totally depraved "swine."

But you won't, because you are under some strange compulsion
to troll this group.

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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures....
And there it is.
There's your first mistake. After that, it becomes a Slippery Slope.
The Holy Spirit does not "inspire people to understand the Christian
Scriptures".
The sentence started with IF, doofus. I don't believe that
actually happens.
It's too late for any back-pedaling now.
With or without the "if", your statement is still wrong.
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The Holy Spirit regenerates only those who have been chosen by God for
salvation so that they want to understand the Bible, and they want to
know God, and they want to spend more time studying the Word with other
Christians, and they want to stop doing the bad they had been doing, and
they want to start doing good. The emphasis in all of those is on two
words; the word "only", and the word "want".
So they only want to do this if God makes them want to?
Then they are puppets - moral robots.
Post by Bob
If you miss that, you've missed it all.
P.S. I'm not expecting you to get any of it, at all.
And, of course, I was right.
Robots do not have desires.
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You might want to stop casting your "pearls" before us
totally depraved "swine."
I'm not.
All I'm doing is informing you why you will never have any pearls of
your own.
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But you won't, because you are under some strange compulsion
to troll this group.
And yet, here you are.

Again.

You've deluded yourself.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one would expect a
bit more agreement among the Christians about what those scriptures mean.
instead, we have competing groups claiming that they have the proper
interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a ghod,
but you need that ghod's intervention to understand what you read,
but the very verses in the babble that support the idea of the trinity
and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed among
various flavors of Christians. the snake continues to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible to teach us the
truth. God's existence is not a question. It's a precondition to
understand the Bible truth. If you are interested in the truth, you are
required to believe in God. Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
It will not help you in any other way. So the circular logic you are
suggesting doesn't apply. No one needs to prove God. That's because it's
faith instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one would expect a bit
more agreement among the Christians about what those scriptures mean.
instead, we have competing groups claiming that they have the proper
interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a ghod,
but you need that ghod's intervention to understand what you read,
but the very verses in the babble that support the idea of the trinity
and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed among
various flavors of Christians. the snake continues to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible
Your evidence for that is what?
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to teach us the truth.
Yet the bible is full of lies.
Post by aaa
God's existence is not a question.
Indeed it isn't. Myths are not questions.
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It's a precondition to
understand the Bible truth. If you are interested in the truth, you are
required to believe in God.
I am neither interested nor required to believe that crap.
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Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
A poorly written fiction.
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It will not help you in any other way.
How does a poorly written book of myths help anyone?
Post by aaa
So the circular logic you are
suggesting doesn't apply. No one needs to prove God.
If your supposed god crap is unproven, why should I believe it?
Post by aaa
That's because it's faith
Faith = belief without evidence, a symptom of insanity.
Post by aaa
instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
Define 'evil' and 'sin'.

BTW, your book of myths claims the your supposed god created evil. That
would make it the most evil being ever, if it actually existed.
--
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All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the
Bible. It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the
Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore
the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they
do not understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people,
have been refining their technique for thousands of years.
They have the talent to make up work-arounds to try to explain
things when they've painted themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly
gullible people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was
inspiring people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one
would expect a bit more agreement among the Christians about what
those scriptures mean. instead, we have competing groups claiming
that they have the proper interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a
ghod, but you need that ghod's intervention to understand what
you read, but the very verses in the babble that support the idea
of the trinity and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit
are disputed among various flavors of Christians. the snake
continues to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible
Your evidence for that is what?
That evidence would be the truth of the Bible. You can't have it until
you can realize the Bible truth.
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to teach us the truth.
Yet the bible is full of lies.
Not if you can understand the truth.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
God's existence is not a question.
Indeed it isn't. Myths are not questions.
Your imagination never has anything to do with God.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
It's a precondition to understand the Bible truth. If you are
interested in the truth, you are required to believe in God.
I am neither interested nor required to believe that crap.
Then you should have nothing to say about the Bible or God. You don't
want the truth. You just want to be a jerk.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
A poorly written fiction.
Irrelevant, since you have already given up on truth.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
It will not help you in any other way.
How does a poorly written book of myths help anyone?
By giving up on truth, you are doomed. There is no help.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
So the circular logic you are suggesting doesn't apply. No one
needs to prove God.
If your supposed god crap is unproven, why should I believe it?
You only assume God is unproven. You can never be sure about that since
you know nothing about the spiritual. Your ignorance of God is not any
evidence for God to be unproven. It's evidence of your limited human
intellectual ability to understand God. God is the truth. Just like the
truth has to be taken as true, God has to be taken as real. It's not
open for negotiation.
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Post by aaa
That's because it's faith
Faith = belief without evidence, a symptom of insanity.
No. Faith is the evidence of the truth not yet known. The faith found in
the heart is never any kind of belief in the mind. You have never found
faith and have no experience of faith. So you don't know what you are
talking about.
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Post by aaa
instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
Define 'evil' and 'sin'.
Evil is against God who is always good. Sin is the untruth that is the
opposite of God.
Post by Smiler
BTW, your book of myths claims the your supposed god created evil.
That would make it the most evil being ever, if it actually existed.
No. God defines evil by being good. That's how God created evil.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible. It
won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have
been refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the
talent to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've
painted themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one would expect a bit
more agreement among the Christians about what those scriptures mean.
instead, we have competing groups claiming that they have the proper
interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a ghod,
but you need that ghod's intervention to understand what you read,
but the very verses in the babble that support the idea of the
trinity and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed
among various flavors of Christians. the snake continues to eat its
tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible
Your evidence for that is what?
That evidence would be the truth of the Bible. You can't have it until
you can realize the Bible truth.
More theist circularity. "God wrote the bible, so the bible must be true
when it says that god exists."
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to teach us the truth.
Yet the bible is full of lies.
Not if you can understand the truth.
There is little truth in the bible.
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
God's existence is not a question.
Indeed it isn't. Myths are not questions.
Your imagination never has anything to do with God.
Your supposed god is only in your imagination.
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
It's a precondition to understand the Bible truth. If you are
interested in the truth, you are required to believe in God.
I am neither interested nor required to believe that crap.
Then you should have nothing to say about the Bible or God. You don't
want the truth. You just want to be a jerk.
It's not me that's being an arsehole by posting religious crap in an
atheist newsgroup.
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
A poorly written fiction.
Irrelevant, since you have already given up on truth.
What truth?
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
It will not help you in any other way.
How does a poorly written book of myths help anyone?
By giving up on truth, you are doomed. There is no help.
Indeed, there is no help from your book of myths.
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
So the circular logic you are suggesting doesn't apply. No one needs
to prove God.
If your supposed god crap is unproven, why should I believe it?
You only assume God is unproven.
It remains unproven until you show evidence for it.
Post by aaa
You can never be sure about that since
you know nothing about the spiritual.
You can never be sure about flubdescrunts since you know nothing about the
plaptactical.
Post by aaa
Your ignorance of God is not any evidence for God to be unproven.
Your ignorance of flubdescrunts is not any evidence for flubdescrunts to
be unproven.
Post by aaa
It's evidence of your limited human intellectual ability to understand
God.
It's evidence of your limited human intellectual ability to understand
flubdescrunts.
Post by aaa
God is the truth.
God is a lie. Flubdescrunts are the truth.
Post by aaa
Just like the truth has to be taken as true,
Just on your say-so? No way!
Post by aaa
God has to be taken as real.
A figment of your imagination cannot be real.
Post by aaa
It's not open for negotiation.
Your mind, what remains of it, is closed tighter than Fort Knox.
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
That's because it's faith
Faith = belief without evidence, a symptom of insanity.
No. Faith is the evidence of the truth not yet known.
If it's not yet known, how do you know it's true?
Post by aaa
The faith found in the heart is never any kind of belief in the mind.
The only thing found in any heart is blood.
Post by aaa
You have never found faith and have no experience of faith.
Yep. I'm rational and don't believe in unevidenced things.
Post by aaa
So you don't know what you are talking about.
Your irrational belief in unevidenced things is evidenced in all your
posts.
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Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
Define 'evil' and 'sin'.
Evil is against God who is always good. Sin is the untruth that is the
opposite of God.
I have no god, therefore, I cannot sin.
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
BTW, your book of myths claims the your supposed god created evil. That
would make it the most evil being ever, if it actually existed.
No. God defines evil by being good.
How does that work?
Post by aaa
That's how God created evil.
That would still make it the most evil being ever, if it actually existed.
--
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All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the
Bible. It won't do a thing to aid in understanding
the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore
the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because
they do not understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people,
have been refining their technique for thousands of years.
They have the talent to make up work-arounds to try to
explain things when they've painted themselves into
corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly
gullible people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was
inspiring people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one
would expect a bit more agreement among the Christians about
what those scriptures mean. instead, we have competing groups
claiming that they have the proper interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a
ghod, but you need that ghod's intervention to understand
what you read, but the very verses in the babble that support
the idea of the trinity and the existence of a Holy Ghost or
Holy Spirit are disputed among various flavors of Christians.
the snake continues to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible
Your evidence for that is what?
That evidence would be the truth of the Bible. You can't have it
until you can realize the Bible truth.
More theist circularity. "God wrote the bible, so the bible must be
true when it says that god exists."
No. God's existence is not open for debate. You can either take it or
leave it. No one has to prove God to you.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
to teach us the truth.
Yet the bible is full of lies.
Not if you can understand the truth.
There is little truth in the bible.
That only shows you haven't realized the Bible truth.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
God's existence is not a question.
Indeed it isn't. Myths are not questions.
Your imagination never has anything to do with God.
Your supposed god is only in your imagination.
That's just your projection.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
It's a precondition to understand the Bible truth. If you are
interested in the truth, you are required to believe in God.
I am neither interested nor required to believe that crap.
Then you should have nothing to say about the Bible or God. You
don't want the truth. You just want to be a jerk.
It's not me that's being an arsehole by posting religious crap in an
atheist newsgroup.
It's an open discussion in an open group. Everyone is entitled to
discuss whatever they are interested in. If you have no interested in
the truth, why do you want to discuss the Bible or God?
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
A poorly written fiction.
Irrelevant, since you have already given up on truth.
What truth?
The truth taught in the Bible.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
It will not help you in any other way.
How does a poorly written book of myths help anyone?
By giving up on truth, you are doomed. There is no help.
Indeed, there is no help from your book of myths.
The Bible isn't a book of myths. It's a book of philosophy.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
So the circular logic you are suggesting doesn't apply. No one
needs to prove God.
If your supposed god crap is unproven, why should I believe it?
You only assume God is unproven.
It remains unproven until you show evidence for it.
I have shown the list of God's evidence.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
You can never be sure about that since you know nothing about the
spiritual.
You can never be sure about flubdescrunts since you know nothing
about the plaptactical.
It has nothing to do with flubdescrunts. The spiritual is the nature of
life.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Your ignorance of God is not any evidence for God to be unproven.
Your ignorance of flubdescrunts is not any evidence for flubdescrunts
to be unproven.
Flubdescrunts have nothing to do with life. Life can not exist without God.
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Post by aaa
It's evidence of your limited human intellectual ability to
understand God.
It's evidence of your limited human intellectual ability to
understand flubdescrunts.
Flubdscrunts don't exist, but God does exist.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
God is the truth.
God is a lie. Flubdescrunts are the truth.
That's just your ignorant lie.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Just like the truth has to be taken as true,
Just on your say-so? No way!
The truth is not what I say. The truth is what it is.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
God has to be taken as real.
A figment of your imagination cannot be real.
God is never an imagination.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
It's not open for negotiation.
Your mind, what remains of it, is closed tighter than Fort Knox.
I will take that as a compliment.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
That's because it's faith
Faith = belief without evidence, a symptom of insanity.
No. Faith is the evidence of the truth not yet known.
If it's not yet known, how do you know it's true?
Because faith never lies.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
The faith found in the heart is never any kind of belief in the mind.
The only thing found in any heart is blood.
That's only physically speaking. Spiritually speaking what's found in
the heart is love. Faith is just another expression of the same love.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
You have never found faith and have no experience of faith.
Yep. I'm rational and don't believe in unevidenced things.
No. You are not rational. Rational people value love and wisdom. You are
blind to love and wisdom. It's why you can't understand faith.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
So you don't know what you are talking about.
Your irrational belief in unevidenced things is evidenced in all
your posts.
There is nothing irrational in my belief in God. It helps me to realize
the truth. It guides me with love and wisdom. It protects me from evil
and sin. It's the best thing that has ever happened to me, and it all
thanks to God.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
Define 'evil' and 'sin'.
Evil is against God who is always good. Sin is the untruth that is
the opposite of God.
I have no god, therefore, I cannot sin.
God is not what you can have. You belong to God regardless you can
realize it or not. When you refuse to acknowledge this fact, you sin
against God by separating yourself from God.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
BTW, your book of myths claims the your supposed god created
evil. That would make it the most evil being ever, if it actually
existed.
No. God defines evil by being good.
How does that work?
It works perfectly.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
That's how God created evil.
That would still make it the most evil being ever, if it actually existed.
That's not possible. God is always good.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the
Bible. It won't do a thing to aid in understanding
the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore
the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because
they do not understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people,
have been refining their technique for thousands of years.
They have the talent to make up work-arounds to try to
explain things when they've painted themselves into
corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly
gullible people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was
inspiring people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one
would expect a bit more agreement among the Christians about
what those scriptures mean. instead, we have competing groups
claiming that they have the proper interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a
ghod, but you need that ghod's intervention to understand
what you read, but the very verses in the babble that support
the idea of the trinity and the existence of a Holy Ghost or
Holy Spirit are disputed among various flavors of Christians.
the snake continues to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible
Your evidence for that is what?
That evidence would be the truth of the Bible. You can't have it
until you can realize the Bible truth.
More theist circularity. "God wrote the bible, so the bible must be
true when it says that god exists."
No. God's existence is not open for debate. You can either take it or
leave it. No one has to prove God to you.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
to teach us the truth.
Yet the bible is full of lies.
Not if you can understand the truth.
There is little truth in the bible.
That only shows you haven't realized the Bible truth.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
God's existence is not a question.
Indeed it isn't. Myths are not questions.
Your imagination never has anything to do with God.
Your supposed god is only in your imagination.
That's just your projection.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
It's a precondition to understand the Bible truth. If you are
interested in the truth, you are required to believe in God.
I am neither interested nor required to believe that crap.
Then you should have nothing to say about the Bible or God. You
don't want the truth. You just want to be a jerk.
It's not me that's being an arsehole by posting religious crap in an
atheist newsgroup.
It's an open discussion in an open group. Everyone is entitled to
discuss whatever they are interested in. If you have no interested in
the truth, why do you want to discuss the Bible or God?
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
A poorly written fiction.
Irrelevant, since you have already given up on truth.
What truth?
The truth taught in the Bible.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
It will not help you in any other way.
How does a poorly written book of myths help anyone?
By giving up on truth, you are doomed. There is no help.
Indeed, there is no help from your book of myths.
The Bible isn't a book of myths. It's a book of philosophy.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
So the circular logic you are suggesting doesn't apply. No one
needs to prove God.
If your supposed god crap is unproven, why should I believe it?
You only assume God is unproven.
It remains unproven until you show evidence for it.
I have shown the list of God's evidence.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
You can never be sure about that since you know nothing about the
spiritual.
You can never be sure about flubdescrunts since you know nothing
about the plaptactical.
It has nothing to do with flubdescrunts. The spiritual is the nature of
life.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Your ignorance of God is not any evidence for God to be unproven.
Your ignorance of flubdescrunts is not any evidence for flubdescrunts
to be unproven.
Flubdescrunts have nothing to do with life. Life can not exist without God.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
It's evidence of your limited human intellectual ability to
understand God.
It's evidence of your limited human intellectual ability to
understand flubdescrunts.
Flubdscrunts don't exist, but God does exist.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
God is the truth.
God is a lie. Flubdescrunts are the truth.
That's just your ignorant lie.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Just like the truth has to be taken as true,
Just on your say-so? No way!
The truth is not what I say. The truth is what it is.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
God has to be taken as real.
A figment of your imagination cannot be real.
God is never an imagination.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
It's not open for negotiation.
Your mind, what remains of it, is closed tighter than Fort Knox.
I will take that as a compliment.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
That's because it's faith
Faith = belief without evidence, a symptom of insanity.
No. Faith is the evidence of the truth not yet known.
If it's not yet known, how do you know it's true?
Because faith never lies.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
The faith found in the heart is never any kind of belief in the mind.
The only thing found in any heart is blood.
That's only physically speaking. Spiritually speaking what's found in
the heart is love. Faith is just another expression of the same love.
No such thing as spiritually speaking.

Faith is a form of stupidity. Only stupid people believe in that which has no evidence and no proof.
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
You have never found faith and have no experience of faith.
Yep. I'm rational and don't believe in unevidenced things.
No. You are not rational. Rational people value love and wisdom.
You don't need to believe in God or any supernatural beings to value love and wisdom. Wisdom is what makes sane people reject the bible and your imaginary god.

You are
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blind to love and wisdom. It's why you can't understand faith.
Faith is not something to be understood, it is something to reject. The message of faith is you don't have to think.
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Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
So you don't know what you are talking about.
Your irrational belief in unevidenced things is evidenced in all
your posts.
There is nothing irrational in my belief in God.
Of course, it's irrational. it is irrational to believe in the nonexistent.

It helps me to realize
Post by aaa
the truth.
No, it's a sing of your damaged brain.

It guides me with love and wisdom.

No, you have no wisdom and the only thing you seem to love is being a troll.

It protects me from evil
Post by aaa
and sin. It's the best thing that has ever happened to me, and it all
thanks to God.
Or a blow to the head.
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
Define 'evil' and 'sin'.
Evil is against God who is always good. Sin is the untruth that is
the opposite of God.
I have no god, therefore, I cannot sin.
God is not what you can have. You belong to God regardless you can
realize it or not.
So you think we are slaves to god who does not exist.

When you refuse to acknowledge this fact, you sin
Post by aaa
against God by separating yourself from God.
I prefer to be aas far away from psychopahic muredreing assholes as I can.
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by Smiler
BTW, your book of myths claims the your supposed god created
evil. That would make it the most evil being ever, if it actually
existed.
No. God defines evil by being good.
How does that work?
It works perfectly.
Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
That's how God created evil.
That would still make it the most evil being ever, if it actually existed.
That's not possible. God is always good.
The nonexistent can neither be good or bad.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in
ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe
the Bible. It won't do a thing to aid in
understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't
ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's
because they do not understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold
people, have been refining their technique for
thousands of years. They have the talent to make up
work-arounds to try to explain things when they've
painted themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some
amazingly gullible people. No mental giants among the
religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity)
was inspiring people to understand the Christian
Scriptures, one would expect a bit more agreement among
the Christians about what those scriptures mean. instead,
we have competing groups claiming that they have the
proper interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves
there's a ghod, but you need that ghod's intervention to
understand what you read, but the very verses in the
babble that support the idea of the trinity and the
existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed
among various flavors of Christians. the snake continues
to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible
Your evidence for that is what?
That evidence would be the truth of the Bible. You can't have
it until you can realize the Bible truth.
More theist circularity. "God wrote the bible, so the bible must
be true when it says that god exists."
No. God's existence is not open for debate. You can either take it
or leave it. No one has to prove God to you.
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to teach us the truth.
Yet the bible is full of lies.
Not if you can understand the truth.
There is little truth in the bible.
That only shows you haven't realized the Bible truth.
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God's existence is not a question.
Indeed it isn't. Myths are not questions.
Your imagination never has anything to do with God.
Your supposed god is only in your imagination.
That's just your projection.
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It's a precondition to understand the Bible truth. If you
are interested in the truth, you are required to believe in
God.
I am neither interested nor required to believe that crap.
Then you should have nothing to say about the Bible or God.
You don't want the truth. You just want to be a jerk.
It's not me that's being an arsehole by posting religious crap in
an atheist newsgroup.
It's an open discussion in an open group. Everyone is entitled to
discuss whatever they are interested in. If you have no interested
in the truth, why do you want to discuss the Bible or God?
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Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
A poorly written fiction.
Irrelevant, since you have already given up on truth.
What truth?
The truth taught in the Bible.
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It will not help you in any other way.
How does a poorly written book of myths help anyone?
By giving up on truth, you are doomed. There is no help.
Indeed, there is no help from your book of myths.
The Bible isn't a book of myths. It's a book of philosophy.
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So the circular logic you are suggesting doesn't apply. No
one needs to prove God.
If your supposed god crap is unproven, why should I believe it?
You only assume God is unproven.
It remains unproven until you show evidence for it.
I have shown the list of God's evidence.
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You can never be sure about that since you know nothing about
the spiritual.
You can never be sure about flubdescrunts since you know nothing
about the plaptactical.
It has nothing to do with flubdescrunts. The spiritual is the
nature of life.
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Your ignorance of God is not any evidence for God to be
unproven.
Your ignorance of flubdescrunts is not any evidence for
flubdescrunts to be unproven.
Flubdescrunts have nothing to do with life. Life can not exist without God.
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It's evidence of your limited human intellectual ability to
understand God.
It's evidence of your limited human intellectual ability to
understand flubdescrunts.
Flubdscrunts don't exist, but God does exist.
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God is the truth.
God is a lie. Flubdescrunts are the truth.
That's just your ignorant lie.
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Just like the truth has to be taken as true,
Just on your say-so? No way!
The truth is not what I say. The truth is what it is.
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God has to be taken as real.
A figment of your imagination cannot be real.
God is never an imagination.
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It's not open for negotiation.
Your mind, what remains of it, is closed tighter than Fort Knox.
I will take that as a compliment.
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That's because it's faith
Faith = belief without evidence, a symptom of insanity.
No. Faith is the evidence of the truth not yet known.
If it's not yet known, how do you know it's true?
Because faith never lies.
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The faith found in the heart is never any kind of belief in
the mind.
The only thing found in any heart is blood.
That's only physically speaking. Spiritually speaking what's found
in the heart is love. Faith is just another expression of the same
love.
No such thing as spiritually speaking.
That shows your spiritual blindness. It's the same as a blind man
claiming that there is no such thing as sunlight.
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Faith is a form of stupidity. Only stupid people believe in that
which has no evidence and no proof.
That shows you know nothing about faith. Faith is what you find in your
heart. It's not what you have in your mind.
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You have never found faith and have no experience of faith.
Yep. I'm rational and don't believe in unevidenced things.
No. You are not rational. Rational people value love and wisdom.
You don't need to believe in God or any supernatural beings to value
love and wisdom. Wisdom is what makes sane people reject the bible
and your imaginary god.
False. Wisdom would never make people reject anything without
understanding what it truly is in the first place. That's not wisdom.
That's blind denial.

You claim to value wisdom and love, yet, you don't even know they are
spiritual instead of physical. You have only taken them for granted. You
never bother to investigate what they truly are.
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You are
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blind to love and wisdom. It's why you can't understand faith.
Faith is not something to be understood, it is something to reject.
The message of faith is you don't have to think.
No. The message of faith is you can't have a clear thinking without
relying on the faith in your heart. When the mind is confused and
troubled, only faith can show us the way.
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So you don't know what you are talking about.
Your irrational belief in unevidenced things is evidenced in all
your posts.
There is nothing irrational in my belief in God.
Of course, it's irrational. it is irrational to believe in the nonexistent.
Your assumption is not yet proven. It's impossible to be proven since
God does exist.
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It helps me to realize
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the truth.
No, it's a sing of your damaged brain.
What is that?
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It guides me with love and wisdom.
No, you have no wisdom and the only thing you seem to love is being a troll.
I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about the love and wisdom you
don't seem to have.
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It protects me from evil
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and sin. It's the best thing that has ever happened to me, and it
all thanks to God.
Or a blow to the head.
It has nothing to do with my personal injury.
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instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
Define 'evil' and 'sin'.
Evil is against God who is always good. Sin is the untruth that
is the opposite of God.
I have no god, therefore, I cannot sin.
God is not what you can have. You belong to God regardless you can
realize it or not.
So you think we are slaves to god who does not exist.
No. We are not slaves. We are God's children on earth.
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When you refuse to acknowledge this fact, you sin
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against God by separating yourself from God.
I prefer to be aas far away from psychopahic muredreing assholes as I can.
You need to stay closer. I can't hear you. What the fuck are you talking
about?
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BTW, your book of myths claims the your supposed god created
evil. That would make it the most evil being ever, if it
actually existed.
No. God defines evil by being good.
How does that work?
It works perfectly.
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That's how God created evil.
That would still make it the most evil being ever, if it
actually existed.
That's not possible. God is always good.
The nonexistent can neither be good or bad.
Blind denial doesn't mean anything and doesn't do anything.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one would expect a
bit more agreement among the Christians about what those scriptures mean.
instead, we have competing groups claiming that they have the proper
interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a ghod,
but you need that ghod's intervention to understand what you read,
but the very verses in the babble that support the idea of the trinity
and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed among
various flavors of Christians. the snake continues to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible to teach us the
truth. God's existence is not a question. It's a precondition to
understand the Bible truth. If you are interested in the truth, you are
required to believe in God. Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
It will not help you in any other way. So the circular logic you are
suggesting doesn't apply. No one needs to prove God. That's because it's
faith instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
I suspect a lobotomy would go a long ways towards "understanding" the
bible.

If it weren't for the side effects (drooling and stepping into
traffic) the churches would be lobotomy clinics.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one would expect a
bit more agreement among the Christians about what those scriptures mean.
instead, we have competing groups claiming that they have the proper
interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a ghod,
but you need that ghod's intervention to understand what you read,
but the very verses in the babble that support the idea of the trinity
and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed among
various flavors of Christians. the snake continues to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible to teach us the
truth. God's existence is not a question. It's a precondition to
understand the Bible truth. If you are interested in the truth, you are
required to believe in God. Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
It will not help you in any other way. So the circular logic you are
suggesting doesn't apply. No one needs to prove God. That's because it's
faith instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
I suspect a lobotomy would go a long ways towards "understanding" the
bible.
What makes you say that? What do you know about understanding the Bible?
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If it weren't for the side effects (drooling and stepping into
traffic) the churches would be lobotomy clinics.
That church is a human organization that can always be criticized either
rightly or wrongly. We are imperfect humans forming imperfect
organizations. There is nothing wrong to be criticized for our
imperfections. So what does it have to do with the Bible?
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one would expect a
bit more agreement among the Christians about what those scriptures mean.
instead, we have competing groups claiming that they have the proper
interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a ghod,
but you need that ghod's intervention to understand what you read,
but the very verses in the babble that support the idea of the trinity
and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed among
various flavors of Christians. the snake continues to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible to teach us the
truth. God's existence is not a question. It's a precondition to
understand the Bible truth. If you are interested in the truth, you are
required to believe in God. Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
It will not help you in any other way. So the circular logic you are
suggesting doesn't apply. No one needs to prove God. That's because it's
faith instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
I suspect a lobotomy would go a long ways towards "understanding" the
bible.
What makes you say that? What do you know about understanding the Bible?
The bible cannot be "understood," it is chock full of contradictions.
Anyone saying they "understand," must either be delusional or insane.
(and I tend to regard such delusion a form of insanity, so it is a
redundant statement)
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If it weren't for the side effects (drooling and stepping into
traffic) the churches would be lobotomy clinics.
That church is a human organization that can always be criticized either
rightly or wrongly. We are imperfect humans forming imperfect
organizations. There is nothing wrong to be criticized for our
imperfections. So what does it have to do with the Bible?
Now you say that religions (by their very nature) will be wrong, or
wrong on occasion. AND these same imperfect organizations have a
magical ability to judge the bible as incapable of being wrong? How
can that be?

You may like to think that god is perfect, but then how can an
imperfect creature like man determine that god is perfect? Could not
the imperfect creature making the judgment about god be wrong?
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one would expect a
bit more agreement among the Christians about what those scriptures mean.
instead, we have competing groups claiming that they have the proper
interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a ghod,
but you need that ghod's intervention to understand what you read,
but the very verses in the babble that support the idea of the trinity
and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed among
various flavors of Christians. the snake continues to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible to teach us the
truth. God's existence is not a question. It's a precondition to
understand the Bible truth. If you are interested in the truth, you are
required to believe in God. Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
It will not help you in any other way. So the circular logic you are
suggesting doesn't apply. No one needs to prove God. That's because it's
faith instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
I suspect a lobotomy would go a long ways towards "understanding" the
bible.
What makes you say that? What do you know about understanding the Bible?
The bible cannot be "understood," it is chock full of contradictions.
Anyone saying they "understand," must either be delusional or insane.
(and I tend to regard such delusion a form of insanity, so it is a
redundant statement)
It's very unfortunate for you to say that. The Bible is God's
philosophical teaching to teach us God's absolute truth. It's no
ordinary teaching. It can't be fully understood as an ordinary book. If
you don't want to read the Bible from a philosophical point of view to
search for the unimaginable and unperceivable ultimate truth of God, you
are indeed not going to understand the Bible.
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If it weren't for the side effects (drooling and stepping into
traffic) the churches would be lobotomy clinics.
That church is a human organization that can always be criticized either
rightly or wrongly. We are imperfect humans forming imperfect
organizations. There is nothing wrong to be criticized for our
imperfections. So what does it have to do with the Bible?
Now you say that religions (by their very nature) will be wrong, or
wrong on occasion. AND these same imperfect organizations have a
magical ability to judge the bible as incapable of being wrong? How
can that be?
There is no human authority that can judge the Bible. The only authority
of the Bible is the Bible truth. Those who can understand the truth will
be living with God day and night. Those who can't understand the truth
will never know what exactly the Bible is talking about.
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You may like to think that god is perfect, but then how can an
imperfect creature like man determine that god is perfect? Could not
the imperfect creature making the judgment about god be wrong?
Of course the judgement of human mind can always be wrong, but the
realization of the truth from the human heart is never going to be
wrong. It's salvation and it's enlightenment. It's the best thing that
will ever happen to a human being on earth. When that happens, one will
automatically know how wonderfully written the Bible is.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one would expect a
bit more agreement among the Christians about what those scriptures mean.
instead, we have competing groups claiming that they have the proper
interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a ghod,
but you need that ghod's intervention to understand what you read,
but the very verses in the babble that support the idea of the trinity
and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed among
various flavors of Christians. the snake continues to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible to teach us the
truth. God's existence is not a question. It's a precondition to
understand the Bible truth. If you are interested in the truth, you are
required to believe in God. Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
It will not help you in any other way. So the circular logic you are
suggesting doesn't apply. No one needs to prove God. That's because it's
faith instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
I suspect a lobotomy would go a long ways towards "understanding" the
bible.
What makes you say that? What do you know about understanding the Bible?
The bible cannot be "understood," it is chock full of contradictions.
Anyone saying they "understand," must either be delusional or insane.
(and I tend to regard such delusion a form of insanity, so it is a
redundant statement)
It's very unfortunate for you to say that. The Bible is God's
philosophical teaching to teach us God's absolute truth. It's no
ordinary teaching. It can't be fully understood as an ordinary book. If
you don't want to read the Bible from a philosophical point of view to
search for the unimaginable and unperceivable ultimate truth of God, you
are indeed not going to understand the Bible.
What, pray tell, is "absolute truth?" After all a thing is either
true or false, there is no gray area there.

Ah but it is an "ordinary book." This particular ordinary book can't
even trace it's provenance. None of the bible is derived from
original autographical manuscripts. Bits and pieces come from hither
an yon, and there's no way to check the authenticity or veracity of
translation.

Nothing it the bible can be verified and all attempts to verify it
have (so far) failed.

Now, from a philosophical viewpoint there's a lot of good shit in the
bible; noble shit, worthy shit, awesome shit. But there's a lot of
really evil, mind twisting, spirit crushing, dark shit as well.

A 'good' book wouldn't tell you to kill babies, cheat people, stone
people, prostitute women, etc., as the OT bible does.
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If it weren't for the side effects (drooling and stepping into
traffic) the churches would be lobotomy clinics.
That church is a human organization that can always be criticized either
rightly or wrongly. We are imperfect humans forming imperfect
organizations. There is nothing wrong to be criticized for our
imperfections. So what does it have to do with the Bible?
Now you say that religions (by their very nature) will be wrong, or
wrong on occasion. AND these same imperfect organizations have a
magical ability to judge the bible as incapable of being wrong? How
can that be?
There is no human authority that can judge the Bible. The only authority
of the Bible is the Bible truth. Those who can understand the truth will
be living with God day and night. Those who can't understand the truth
will never know what exactly the Bible is talking about.
If no human authority can judge the veracity of the bible, no human
should assume the bible is anything but a seriously big load of horse
shit!

Circular reasoning isn't reasoning.
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You may like to think that god is perfect, but then how can an
imperfect creature like man determine that god is perfect? Could not
the imperfect creature making the judgment about god be wrong?
Of course the judgement of human mind can always be wrong, but the
realization of the truth from the human heart is never going to be
wrong. It's salvation and it's enlightenment. It's the best thing that
will ever happen to a human being on earth. When that happens, one will
automatically know how wonderfully written the Bible is.
The heart? You mean a blood pumping organ that has nothing to do with
sentience? Or a some vague emotional feeling that you are dependent
on?

You think I should bow down to your delusion because you are
emotional? Get a grip!
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one would expect a
bit more agreement among the Christians about what those scriptures mean.
instead, we have competing groups claiming that they have the proper
interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a ghod,
but you need that ghod's intervention to understand what you read,
but the very verses in the babble that support the idea of the trinity
and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed among
various flavors of Christians. the snake continues to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible to teach us the
truth. God's existence is not a question. It's a precondition to
understand the Bible truth. If you are interested in the truth, you are
required to believe in God. Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
It will not help you in any other way. So the circular logic you are
suggesting doesn't apply. No one needs to prove God. That's because it's
faith instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
I suspect a lobotomy would go a long ways towards "understanding" the
bible.
What makes you say that? What do you know about understanding the Bible?
The bible cannot be "understood," it is chock full of contradictions.
Anyone saying they "understand," must either be delusional or insane.
(and I tend to regard such delusion a form of insanity, so it is a
redundant statement)
It's very unfortunate for you to say that. The Bible is God's
philosophical teaching to teach us God's absolute truth. It's no
ordinary teaching. It can't be fully understood as an ordinary book. If
you don't want to read the Bible from a philosophical point of view to
search for the unimaginable and unperceivable ultimate truth of God, you
are indeed not going to understand the Bible.
What, pray tell, is "absolute truth?" After all a thing is either
true or false, there is no gray area there.
The absolute truth is what made the thing to be true or false. You can
not know whether a thing is true or false unless you can rely on the
absolute truth to make a judgment. So, it's the truth that judges a
thing to be true or not. You, being an ignorant person, can not make
such judgment even though you don't realize it.
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Ah but it is an "ordinary book." This particular ordinary book can't
even trace it's provenance. None of the bible is derived from
original autographical manuscripts. Bits and pieces come from hither
an yon, and there's no way to check the authenticity or veracity of
translation.
That doesn't matter. God's truth transcends the actual Bible
description. No matter how you write the Bible, the truth will never be
affected.
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Nothing it the bible can be verified and all attempts to verify it
have (so far) failed.
That's part of the original plan. If you can rely on the things
described in the Bible, you would not need to rely on the Bible truth.
Then you would not have the incentive to search for the Bible truth.
Without searching for the truth, you would never understand the truth.
So the very purpose of the Bible to teach us the truth would have failed.
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Now, from a philosophical viewpoint there's a lot of good shit in the
bible; noble shit, worthy shit, awesome shit. But there's a lot of
really evil, mind twisting, spirit crushing, dark shit as well.
That's why the Bible can be a very inspiring book for people to read.
There is always something to be learned and understood from the Bible.
There is no limit.
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A 'good' book wouldn't tell you to kill babies, cheat people, stone
people, prostitute women, etc., as the OT bible does.
Then you have a very narrow understanding about what constitutes as
good. The Bible is not telling you to kill or cheat. It simply describes
what has happened. It's for you to make a sensible judgment according to
the truth. In doing so, you would have realized the truth if God is willing.
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If it weren't for the side effects (drooling and stepping into
traffic) the churches would be lobotomy clinics.
That church is a human organization that can always be criticized either
rightly or wrongly. We are imperfect humans forming imperfect
organizations. There is nothing wrong to be criticized for our
imperfections. So what does it have to do with the Bible?
Now you say that religions (by their very nature) will be wrong, or
wrong on occasion. AND these same imperfect organizations have a
magical ability to judge the bible as incapable of being wrong? How
can that be?
There is no human authority that can judge the Bible. The only authority
of the Bible is the Bible truth. Those who can understand the truth will
be living with God day and night. Those who can't understand the truth
will never know what exactly the Bible is talking about.
If no human authority can judge the veracity of the bible, no human
should assume the bible is anything but a seriously big load of horse
shit!
No. The truth rules in all things. It doesn't matter what any kind of
authority has to say.
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Circular reasoning isn't reasoning.
There is no circular reasoning possible. The Bible truth is absolute.
There is no other truth that can replace the Bible truth. So there is
nothing else to circle around.
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You may like to think that god is perfect, but then how can an
imperfect creature like man determine that god is perfect? Could not
the imperfect creature making the judgment about god be wrong?
Of course the judgement of human mind can always be wrong, but the
realization of the truth from the human heart is never going to be
wrong. It's salvation and it's enlightenment. It's the best thing that
will ever happen to a human being on earth. When that happens, one will
automatically know how wonderfully written the Bible is.
The heart? You mean a blood pumping organ that has nothing to do with
sentience? Or a some vague emotional feeling that you are dependent
on?
There is nothing vague about the passionate love and wisdom coming from
the heart.
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You think I should bow down to your delusion because you are
emotional? Get a grip!
The passion of the heart has nothing to do with the emotion of the mind.
The emotion of the mind is not reliable, but the passion of the heart is
always real and true.
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There is no human authority that can judge the Bible. The only
authority of the Bible is the Bible truth. Those who can understand
the truth will be living with God day and night. Those who can't
understand the truth will never know what exactly the Bible is talking
about.
How would YOU know "what the Bible is talking about"?





"I don't read the Bible. I don't know any Bible verse."
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There is no human authority that can judge the Bible. The only
authority of the Bible is the Bible truth. Those who can understand
the truth will be living with God day and night. Those who can't
understand the truth will never know what exactly the Bible is talking
about.
How would YOU know "what the Bible is talking about"?
Because I have learned and realize the Bible truth to a certain degree.
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"I don't read the Bible. I don't know any Bible verse."
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It is still a circular argument.
You're wrong. It's simply a matter of you not being able to understand
what you've read. See http://creation.com/not-circular-reasoning
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The Bible proves there's a God,
You're wrong, again. The Bible does not prove there's a God.
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but you need that God's intervention to understand what you read,
but the very verses in the Bible that support the idea of the Trinity
and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed among
various flavors of Christians.
You call them Christians. We call them heretics.
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the snake continues to eat its tail.
You're wrong, again. You remain unable to understand what you've read.
See http://creation.com/not-circular-reasoning
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
And they imagine everybody else is as gullible.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true.
It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
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It helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true.
It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.

I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
That's a terrible thing to say about God.
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2017-05-31 03:27:07 UTC
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
That's a terrible thing to say about God.
Every single post that Blobby makes, demonstrates how insane he is -
whether or not he believes that bullshit.
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
That's a terrible thing to say about God.
You need to read your Bible.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Romans 9:17-21

Jesus declares "no one can come to Me unless it is granted him by the
Father." (John 6:65) In the same passage Jesus declares: "all that the
Father gives to Me will come to Me." (John 6:37) In both verses the
phrase "come to Me" simply means "believe in Me" and so, taken together,
Jesus is stating that no one can believe in Him unless God grants it,
and all to whom God grants it will believe.
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
That's a terrible thing to say about God.
You need to read your Bible.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Romans 9:17-21
Jesus declares "no one can come to Me unless it is granted him by the
Father." (John 6:65) In the same passage Jesus declares: "all that the
Father gives to Me will come to Me." (John 6:37) In both verses the
phrase "come to Me" simply means "believe in Me" and so, taken together,
Jesus is stating that no one can believe in Him unless God grants it,
and all to whom God grants it will believe.
I take your point. The douchebag bible writers had the same problem
that today's douchebag Christians have. There is nothing good that
can be said about God.
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I take your point. The douchebag bible writers had the same problem
that today's douchebag Christians have. There is nothing good that
can be said about God.
That's part of your delusion. God wants you to believe that so you will not
look to him for salvation. He's rejected you. There's nothing you can do
about it.
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I take your point. The douchebag bible writers had the same problem
that today's douchebag Christians have. There is nothing good that
can be said about God.
That's part of your delusion. God wants you to believe that so you will not
look to him for salvation. He's rejected you. There's nothing you can do
about it.
Your delusion knows no bounds! Bob, what makes you think you are any
different than those you rail against? Some guy in a black dress, who
you pay for this information?
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I take your point. The douchebag bible writers had the same problem
that today's douchebag Christians have. There is nothing good that
can be said about God.
That's part of your delusion.
That's the personally nasty liar's brainwashing speaking.
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God
WHAT FUCKING GOD, deliberately rude, deliberately stupid,
psychopathically in-your-face obsessive who knows that atheists aren't
even closet Christians?
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wants you to believe that so you will not
look to him for salvation. He's rejected you. There's nothing you can do
about it.
The fucking moron's usual question-begging rudeness and stupidity.
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Your delusion knows no bounds! Bob, what makes you think you are any
different than those you rail against? Some guy in a black dress, who
you pay for this information?
Why isn't Blob in the psych ward?
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I take your point. The douchebag bible writers had the same problem
that today's douchebag Christians have. There is nothing good that
can be said about God.
That's part of your delusion.
That's the personally nasty liar's brainwashing speaking.
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God
WHAT FUCKING GOD, deliberately rude, deliberately stupid,
psychopathically in-your-face obsessive who knows that atheists aren't
even closet Christians?
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wants you to believe that so you will not
look to him for salvation. He's rejected you. There's nothing you can do
about it.
The fucking moron's usual question-begging rudeness and stupidity.
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Your delusion knows no bounds! Bob, what makes you think you are any
different than those you rail against? Some guy in a black dress, who
you pay for this information?
Why isn't Blob in the psych ward?
...rejected, because then they'd have to release everyone in the psych
ward. Boob would make them all look perfectly sane.

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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
That's a terrible thing to say about God.
You need to read your Bible.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Romans 9:17-21
Why bother? If one isn't of "the elect" it won't do one
any good, anyway, by your dogma.

Your delusion is, unlike the "Jebus loves you all, and you
can all be saved" variety, fundamentally cramped and, frankly,
evil. Why would anyone want to believe in a ghod who makes
rules like that? If you are wrong about being one of "the elect,"
theoretically you'll burn with the rest of us "degenerates."

If one was never taught this nonsense from the cradle, how
mentally warped would you have to be to think it up? Over 100
billion humans have ever lived.* How many of them, or of the over 7
billion alive today, made it onto the Cosmic Guest List? How
profligate is the Universal Torturer? Does it create salvageable
souls on 1-1 basis with discards? Some sects think very few will
or have made it. 1 of 10? 1 of 100? The 12,000 bearing a seal
for each of 12 tribes of Israel, and that's it, the way some read
Revelations?

This is ludicrous pilpul, of course.

Kevin R

* https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-are-the-demographics-of-heaven/
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
That's a terrible thing to say about God.
You need to read your Bible.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Romans 9:17-21
Why bother?
It would show him that I was only repeating what the Bible says.

What is wrong with you? Why could you not see that for yourself?
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into
believing a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the
brainwashing attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
That's a terrible thing to say about God.
You need to read your Bible.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Romans 9:17-21
Why bother?
It would show him that I was only repeating what the Bible says.
Or what you want it to say.





"Some parts of the Bible are meant to be interpreted
metaphorically." Robert Duncan, Nov 3 2013. He has yet
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You need to read your Bible.
I get the feeling you haven't EVER read the bible, or you wouldn't be
telling others to. The quickest way to make an atheist out of a
Christian is have them actually sit down and read the bible from cover
to cover and without all the sound-bite preaching of selected parts of
the bible taken out of context.
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You need to read your Bible.
I get the feeling you haven't EVER read the bible, or you wouldn't be
telling others to. The quickest way to make an atheist out of a
Christian is have them actually sit down and read the bible from cover
to cover and without all the sound-bite preaching of selected parts of
the bible taken out of context.
You speak as an Arminian would speak.
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into
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I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the
brainwashing attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
That's a terrible thing to say about God.
You need to read your Bible.
Since when has reading been believing?

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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into
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I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the
brainwashing attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
That's a terrible thing to say about God.
You need to read your Bible.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; Romans 9:17-21
Jesus declares "no one can come to Me unless it is granted him by the
Father." (John 6:65) In the same passage Jesus declares: "all that the
Father gives to Me will come to Me." (John 6:37) In both verses the
phrase "come to Me" simply means "believe in Me" and so, taken together,
Jesus is stating that no one can believe in Him unless God grants it,
and all to whom God grants it will believe.
Since when has reading been believing?
I'm having a vision of you standing in front of me, saying "C'mon, hit me!"

To which I say, "Okie dokie. Let's start with Romans 10:17".
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
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I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the
catechism, litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to
regurgitate it back to them, they say you are going to heaven.

Mindless repetition...
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I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.

IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you
feel so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in
heaven is assured, and you are perfection.

That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
The nastiness of the personally lying, but all too typical Christian.
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That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the
catechism, litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to
regurgitate it back to them, they say you are going to heaven.
Mindless repetition...
...of what started with their childhood brainwashing.
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I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He's insane.
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He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.
IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you
feel so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in
heaven is assured, and you are perfection.
That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
His kind of religion is a form of mental illness. If it were anything
else, he'd be in the psych ward.
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
The nastiness of the personally lying, but all too typical Christian.
CHRISTopher: The nastiness of a person who needs -for his own reasons - to see a disagreement as a lie.
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
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I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the
catechism, litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to
regurgitate it back to them, they say you are going to heaven.
Mindless repetition...
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I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.
IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you
feel so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in
heaven is assured, and you are perfection.
That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
No. What we preach is also what we do and practice. By practicing what
we preach, we learn and understand the teaching of Jesus. That is what
it means to follow Jesus. God has chosen his children, but we will never
know we are his children if we don't follow Jesus. So preaching is not
entirely for you. It's also for us to understand the truth. A preacher
may appear as a teacher, but a preacher for God is really just a student
of God. The real teacher is always God himself who is using all of us as
his teaching material.
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2017-05-31 23:47:52 UTC
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into
believing a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the
brainwashing attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the catechism,
litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to regurgitate it
back to them, they say you are going to heaven.
Mindless repetition...
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I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.
IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you feel
so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in heaven
is assured, and you are perfection.
That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
No. What we preach is also what we do and practice. By practicing what
we preach, we learn and understand the teaching of Jesus.
Then, as the supposed Jesus supposedly taught, you should 'brush the dust
off your sandals and move on.'
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That is what it means to follow Jesus.
The Jesus for which you cannot show any evidence.
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God
The god for which you cannot show any evidence.
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has chosen his children, but we will never
know we are his children if we don't follow Jesus.
The Jesus for which you cannot show any evidence.
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So preaching is not entirely for you. It's also for us to understand the
truth.
The truth for which you cannot show any evidence.
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A preacher
may appear as a teacher, but a preacher for God is really just a student
of God. The real teacher is always God himself
The god for which you cannot show any evidence.
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who is using all of us as his teaching material.
Without any evidence, why should we believe you?
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2017-06-01 08:41:08 UTC
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into
believing a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the
brainwashing attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the catechism,
litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to regurgitate it
back to them, they say you are going to heaven.
Mindless repetition...
Post by Bob
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.
IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you feel
so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in heaven
is assured, and you are perfection.
That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
No. What we preach is also what we do and practice. By practicing what
we preach, we learn and understand the teaching of Jesus.
Then, as the supposed Jesus supposedly taught, you should 'brush the dust
off your sandals and move on.'
I did exactly that. That's why I'm not affected by your blind denial. So
why do you keep following me?
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That is what it means to follow Jesus.
The Jesus for which you cannot show any evidence.
False. Christ lives in my heart literally. His evidence coming from my
heart has been guiding me in life.
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God
The god for which you cannot show any evidence.
I have shown you the list of evidence.
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has chosen his children, but we will never
know we are his children if we don't follow Jesus.
The Jesus for which you cannot show any evidence.
His teaching is already the evidence.
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So preaching is not entirely for you. It's also for us to understand the
truth.
The truth for which you cannot show any evidence.
The truth is evidence of itself. You have to realize the truth yourself.
It's not something for me to show. It's the work of God.
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A preacher
may appear as a teacher, but a preacher for God is really just a student
of God. The real teacher is always God himself
The god for which you cannot show any evidence.
I have shown you the list of God's evidence.
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who is using all of us as his teaching material.
Without any evidence, why should we believe you?
The evidence is only found within you yourself. You can't ask me for it.
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the
catechism, litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to
regurgitate it back to them, they say you are going to heaven.
Mindless repetition...
Post by Bob
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.
IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you
feel so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in
heaven is assured, and you are perfection.
That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
No. What we preach is also what we do and practice. By practicing what
we preach, we learn and understand the teaching of Jesus. That is what
it means to follow Jesus. God has chosen his children, but we will never
know we are his children if we don't follow Jesus. So preaching is not
entirely for you. It's also for us to understand the truth. A preacher
may appear as a teacher, but a preacher for God is really just a student
of God. The real teacher is always God himself who is using all of us as
his teaching material.
By all means practice what you preach, BUT STOP PREACHING!

You have no mandate to preach.
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2017-06-01 19:50:28 UTC
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the
catechism, litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to
regurgitate it back to them, they say you are going to heaven.
Mindless repetition...
Post by Bob
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.
IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you
feel so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in
heaven is assured, and you are perfection.
That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
No. What we preach is also what we do and practice. By practicing what
we preach, we learn and understand the teaching of Jesus. That is what
it means to follow Jesus. God has chosen his children, but we will never
know we are his children if we don't follow Jesus. So preaching is not
entirely for you. It's also for us to understand the truth. A preacher
may appear as a teacher, but a preacher for God is really just a student
of God. The real teacher is always God himself who is using all of us as
his teaching material.
By all means practice what you preach, BUT STOP PREACHING!
You have no mandate to preach.
Yes, I do. It's what Jesus has commanded me to do, and I can't practice
what I preach without preaching.
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the
catechism, litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to
regurgitate it back to them, they say you are going to heaven.
Mindless repetition...
Post by Bob
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.
IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you
feel so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in
heaven is assured, and you are perfection.
That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
No. What we preach is also what we do and practice. By practicing what
we preach, we learn and understand the teaching of Jesus. That is what
it means to follow Jesus. God has chosen his children, but we will never
know we are his children if we don't follow Jesus. So preaching is not
entirely for you. It's also for us to understand the truth. A preacher
may appear as a teacher, but a preacher for God is really just a student
of God. The real teacher is always God himself who is using all of us as
his teaching material.
By all means practice what you preach, BUT STOP PREACHING!
You have no mandate to preach.
Yes, I do. It's what Jesus has commanded me to do, and I can't practice
what I preach without preaching.
"Verily verily aaa, I say unto you, go forth and preach, even though
my mind is already made up as to who I will save?"

You might want to cite where in the bible Jesus is commanding you,
because I haven't seen it.
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2017-06-02 04:25:23 UTC
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the
catechism, litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to
regurgitate it back to them, they say you are going to heaven.
Mindless repetition...
Post by Bob
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.
IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you
feel so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in
heaven is assured, and you are perfection.
That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
No. What we preach is also what we do and practice. By practicing what
we preach, we learn and understand the teaching of Jesus. That is what
it means to follow Jesus. God has chosen his children, but we will never
know we are his children if we don't follow Jesus. So preaching is not
entirely for you. It's also for us to understand the truth. A preacher
may appear as a teacher, but a preacher for God is really just a student
of God. The real teacher is always God himself who is using all of us as
his teaching material.
By all means practice what you preach, BUT STOP PREACHING!
You have no mandate to preach.
Yes, I do. It's what Jesus has commanded me to do, and I can't practice
what I preach without preaching.
"Verily verily aaa, I say unto you, go forth and preach, even though
my mind is already made up as to who I will save?"
You might want to cite where in the bible Jesus is commanding you,
because I haven't seen it.
aaa does not preach Christianity.
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the
catechism, litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to
regurgitate it back to them, they say you are going to heaven.
Mindless repetition...
Post by Bob
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.
IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you
feel so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in
heaven is assured, and you are perfection.
That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
No. What we preach is also what we do and practice. By practicing what
we preach, we learn and understand the teaching of Jesus. That is what
it means to follow Jesus. God has chosen his children, but we will never
know we are his children if we don't follow Jesus. So preaching is not
entirely for you. It's also for us to understand the truth. A preacher
may appear as a teacher, but a preacher for God is really just a student
of God. The real teacher is always God himself who is using all of us as
his teaching material.
By all means practice what you preach, BUT STOP PREACHING!
You have no mandate to preach.
Yes, I do. It's what Jesus has commanded me to do, and I can't practice
what I preach without preaching.
"Verily verily aaa, I say unto you, go forth and preach, even though
my mind is already made up as to who I will save?"
You might want to cite where in the bible Jesus is commanding you,
because I haven't seen it.
aaa does not preach Christianity.
He claims Christ commands him to preach, so surely that command is in
his bible, or he's hearing voices, or having nightmares...
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2017-06-02 03:14:46 UTC
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the
catechism, litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to
regurgitate it back to them, they say you are going to heaven.
Mindless repetition...
Post by Bob
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.
IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you
feel so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in
heaven is assured, and you are perfection.
That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
No. What we preach is also what we do and practice. By practicing what
we preach, we learn and understand the teaching of Jesus. That is what
it means to follow Jesus. God has chosen his children, but we will never
know we are his children if we don't follow Jesus. So preaching is not
entirely for you. It's also for us to understand the truth. A preacher
may appear as a teacher, but a preacher for God is really just a student
of God. The real teacher is always God himself who is using all of us as
his teaching material.
By all means practice what you preach, BUT STOP PREACHING!
You have no mandate to preach.
Yes, I do. It's what Jesus has commanded me to do, and I can't practice
what I preach without preaching.
"Verily verily aaa, I say unto you, go forth and preach, even though
my mind is already made up as to who I will save?"
That is correct. Preaching is how God saves his chosen. God works
through his people. As a believer of God, I'm obligated to share what I
know so that all can know God as I have. It's God's work, and I'm glad
and honored to be part of it.
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You might want to cite where in the bible Jesus is commanding you,
because I haven't seen it.
I think it's Mark 16:15.
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2017-06-02 15:25:03 UTC
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Mark 16:15
Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

"Go ye," specifically to ye (the people he was addressing, not aaa)
and then it is Mark's work that has been cherry picked by the Roman
church for their own ends. (the Catholic justification for enslaving
the world)

One would hope that if one is to be considered a disciple of Christ,
they would have more than a smattering of knowledge regarding what
Christ was all about - like actually listened at his feet. Not just
buying into some rehashed version, of some cherry-picked BS,
politicians with their own agenda generated.

Why not practice on cockroaches? You know, until you have it down
pat? Start with dead cockroaches, anything else would be cruelty to
animals.

John Locke
2017-06-01 20:48:02 UTC
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the
catechism, litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to
regurgitate it back to them, they say you are going to heaven.
Mindless repetition...
Post by Bob
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.
IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you
feel so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in
heaven is assured, and you are perfection.
That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
No. What we preach is also what we do and practice. By practicing what
we preach, we learn and understand the teaching of Jesus. That is what
it means to follow Jesus. God has chosen his children, but we will never
know we are his children if we don't follow Jesus. So preaching is not
entirely for you. It's also for us to understand the truth. A preacher
may appear as a teacher, but a preacher for God is really just a student
of God. The real teacher is always God himself who is using all of us as
his teaching material.
By all means practice what you preach, BUT STOP PREACHING!
You have no mandate to preach.
Yes, I do. It's what Jesus has commanded me to do, and I can't practice
what I preach without preaching.
...then find yourself a street corner in San Francisco instead of
proselytizing in an atheist newsgroup. Don't forget the robe and
sandals.

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2017-06-02 02:37:34 UTC
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It is true. You just can't see it. You're being deluded into believing
a lie.
I "can't see it," only because I was able to cast off the brainwashing
attempts.
That's all part of the delusion you're under. It's a script you've
memorized, and repeat to yourself like a mindless robot.
That's what Catholic school is all about. Repetition of the
catechism, litanies, prayers, and religious BS. If you learn to
regurgitate it back to them, they say you are going to heaven.
Mindless repetition...
Post by Bob
I know that will never change, because you can never change.
He has you right where he wants you, and he will not let you change.
He, presumably, being the devil; something else I don't believe in.
IF god already determined in advance who gets saved, why all the
preaching? You get brownie points in heaven for that? And if you
feel so qualified to preach to me, you must think that your place in
heaven is assured, and you are perfection.
That's a common delusion among Christians, they seem to think that if
they preach and shout the gospels and rant against "sin" their god is
so stupid that he will just let them slide into heaven without judging
their sins.
No. What we preach is also what we do and practice. By practicing what
we preach, we learn and understand the teaching of Jesus. That is what
it means to follow Jesus. God has chosen his children, but we will never
know we are his children if we don't follow Jesus. So preaching is not
entirely for you. It's also for us to understand the truth. A preacher
may appear as a teacher, but a preacher for God is really just a student
of God. The real teacher is always God himself who is using all of us as
his teaching material.
By all means practice what you preach, BUT STOP PREACHING!
You have no mandate to preach.
Yes, I do. It's what Jesus has commanded me to do, and I can't practice
what I preach without preaching.
...then find yourself a street corner in San Francisco instead of
proselytizing in an atheist newsgroup. Don't forget the robe and
sandals.
What's the difference?

I prefer to share my personal understanding in this spiritual wilderness.

:-)
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2017-05-30 12:41:41 UTC
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http://youtu.be/rG9u4PdQG5k
I don't drink alcohol. I can't stand the taste or smell.
duke
2017-05-31 11:44:42 UTC
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Well, I can agree with that. It's take one seeking the spiritual message, not
the physical message.

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2017-06-01 21:13:17 UTC
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You need to understand the bible in order to know it is a massive pile of bullshit and then reject it for the nonsense it is.
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