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Believing something without evidence is obviously a fool's path.
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Michael Christ
2017-12-03 21:17:10 UTC
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.

Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.

Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.

Thank you.






Michael Christ
Miloch
2017-12-03 22:02:35 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"

Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more

Delilah cuts Samson's hair because she had a 'hunch' it would make him weaker

North Korea continues its nuclear testing because they have a 'hunch' the
Trumperoonie will do nothing

Flynn cooperates with Mueller because he has a 'hunch' he's headed for the
slammer





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Michael Christ
2017-12-03 22:39:25 UTC
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Michael Christ says...
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Post by Michael Christ
I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
In the atheist handbook of 'don't know' it says, you cannot base fact on
a 'hunch'. Thou must have proof and scientific evidence, Miloch!!!

The only way for an atheist with a brain to live is to stop what they
are doing right now, because if they move it will involve a lack of
proof and scientific evidence. I mean, what if they want to take a
crap? Well, true to the faith, there is no proof, no evidence that they
will make the crapper on time.

You see, it is so simple??

No need to thank me.





Michael Christ

PS Actually the truth is, they stand in their own crap all the time.
Post by Miloch
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
Delilah cuts Samson's hair because she had a 'hunch' it would make him weaker
North Korea continues its nuclear testing because they have a 'hunch' the
Trumperoonie will do nothing
Flynn cooperates with Mueller because he has a 'hunch' he's headed for the
slammer
Kevrob
2017-12-03 23:27:19 UTC
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Michael Christ says...
Post by Miloch
Post by Michael Christ
I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
In the atheist handbook of 'don't know' it says, you cannot base fact on
a 'hunch'. Thou must have proof and scientific evidence, Miloch!!!
The only way for an atheist with a brain to live is to stop what they
are doing right now, because if they move it will involve a lack of
proof and scientific evidence. I mean, what if they want to take a
crap? Well, true to the faith, there is no proof, no evidence that they
will make the crapper on time.
Post by Miloch
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
Delilah cuts Samson's hair because she had a 'hunch' it would make him weaker
North Korea continues its nuclear testing because they have a 'hunch' the
Trumperoonie will do nothing
Flynn cooperates with Mueller because he has a 'hunch' he's headed for the
slammer
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Equivocation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

"fallacy of equivocation," Miley.

If I "believed" I woudn't be a good father, that would be me
making a judgment based on my estimate of my abilities and
personal qualities. Many a new father has feared this,
while those who know them are much more certain that they
will measure up to the task.

Your story sounds made up, as in what universe would Dad alone be able
to get those children away from their presumably healthy, presumably
sane mother, and into the hands of....an orphanage?

There aren't really too many of those left in the US.
They've been largely replaced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphanage#United_States

"I believe it will be busy at work tomorrow" is equivalent
to "given that in all previous years, this part of December
tends to have a lot of customer traffic and sales, so if
there is no extraordinarily different set of circumstances.
Dec 2017 will likely be busy, also."

It isn't a claim about knowledge, but an extrapolation based
on experience. What it isn't is augury, astrology, making
a novena, lighting a candle, "The Law of Attraction," Josh
blessing your business as a sign of your election, cleromancy,
reading tea leaves, or the result of your sacrifice to Hermes.

Doing philosophy requires using univocal terms honestly.

Trolls like you are rarely honest, that way.

Kevin R
Michael Christ
2017-12-04 06:20:55 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ says...
Post by Miloch
Post by Michael Christ
I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
In the atheist handbook of 'don't know' it says, you cannot base fact on
a 'hunch'. Thou must have proof and scientific evidence, Miloch!!!
The only way for an atheist with a brain to live is to stop what they
are doing right now, because if they move it will involve a lack of
proof and scientific evidence. I mean, what if they want to take a
crap? Well, true to the faith, there is no proof, no evidence that they
will make the crapper on time.
Post by Miloch
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
Delilah cuts Samson's hair because she had a 'hunch' it would make him weaker
North Korea continues its nuclear testing because they have a 'hunch' the
Trumperoonie will do nothing
Flynn cooperates with Mueller because he has a 'hunch' he's headed for the
slammer
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Equivocation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
"fallacy of equivocation," Miley.
If I "believed" I woudn't be a good father, that would be me
making a judgment based on my estimate of my abilities and
personal qualities. Many a new father has feared this,
while those who know them are much more certain that they
will measure up to the task.
No proof, you just have belief! And according to you dickheads, belief
ain't proof or scientific evidence.
Post by Kevrob
Your story sounds made up, as in what universe would Dad alone be able
to get those children away from their presumably healthy, presumably
sane mother, and into the hands of....an orphanage?
You are missing the point by a mile. It is about the bullshit reasoning
of the atheist, which you have aptly demonstrated in this post.

If you are true to what you claim to be then you would not even attempt
being a father because you have no proof, no irrefutable scientific
evidence that you would be a good one!

And if you were to embark on being one, then you are a hypocrite to your
cause and have none of that human dignity you people claim to have,
because you are putting a baby's life at risk for your own self-indulgence.

You need to start thinking, boy.
Post by Kevrob
There aren't really too many of those left in the US.
They've been largely replaced.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphanage#United_States
"I believe it will be busy at work tomorrow" is equivalent
to "given that in all previous years, this part of December
tends to have a lot of customer traffic and sales, so if
there is no extraordinarily different set of circumstances.
Dec 2017 will likely be busy, also."
No proof, no irrefutable evidence, you just have belief based on a
possibility or a probability!

You big mouthed geniuses don't understand the simplest of things!
Post by Kevrob
It isn't a claim about knowledge, but an extrapolation based
on experience.
And extrapolation based on personal experience of a fallible human being
is...not...proof and is not scientific **evidence**!!

You are trying to water down the reality to justify fatally flawed
atheist reasoning.
Post by Kevrob
What it isn't is augury, astrology, making
a novena, lighting a candle, "The Law of Attraction," Josh
blessing your business as a sign of your election, cleromancy,
reading tea leaves, or the result of your sacrifice to Hermes.
Doing philosophy requires using univocal terms honestly.
What a load of crap! You decide based on what you believe and your
standards of honesty, your extrapolation??!! You think that equates to
scientific evidence, to proof?? You are verbally wanking.
Post by Kevrob
Trolls like you are rarely honest, that way.
Kevin R
You people are full of shit and can't comprehend the baby things of life
and truth...as you reveal so clearly.





Michael Christ
Smiler
2017-12-05 19:53:44 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ says...
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Post by Michael Christ
I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe
something without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we
agreed that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children
as a good father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children
to the local orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted
to be a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial
contradictory bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on
intuition rather than known facts"
In the atheist handbook of 'don't know' it says, you cannot base fact
on a 'hunch'. Thou must have proof and scientific evidence, Miloch!!!
The only way for an atheist with a brain to live is to stop what they
are doing right now, because if they move it will involve a lack of
proof and scientific evidence. I mean, what if they want to take a
crap? Well, true to the faith, there is no proof, no evidence that
they will make the crapper on time.
Post by Miloch
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
Delilah cuts Samson's hair because she had a 'hunch' it would make him weaker
North Korea continues its nuclear testing because they have a 'hunch'
the Trumperoonie will do nothing
Flynn cooperates with Mueller because he has a 'hunch' he's headed
for the slammer
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Equivocation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
"fallacy of equivocation," Miley.
If I "believed" I woudn't be a good father, that would be me making a
judgment based on my estimate of my abilities and personal qualities.
Many a new father has feared this,
while those who know them are much more certain that they will measure
up to the task.
No proof, you just have belief! And according to you dickheads, belief
ain't proof or scientific evidence.
Post by Kevrob
Your story sounds made up, as in what universe would Dad alone be able
to get those children away from their presumably healthy, presumably
sane mother, and into the hands of....an orphanage?
You are missing the point by a mile. It is about the bullshit reasoning
of the atheist, which you have aptly demonstrated in this post.
If you are true to what you claim to be then you would not even attempt
being a father because you have no proof, no irrefutable scientific
evidence that you would be a good one!
And, likewise, no proof, no irrefutable scientific evidence that you would
be a bad one!
Post by Michael Christ
And if you were to embark on being one, then you are a hypocrite to your
cause and have none of that human dignity you people claim to have,
because you are putting a baby's life at risk for your own
self-indulgence.
You evidence that he would be putting a baby's life at risk is what,
exactly?
Post by Michael Christ
You need to start thinking, boy.
You first.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Kevrob
There aren't really too many of those left in the US.
They've been largely replaced.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphanage#United_States
"I believe it will be busy at work tomorrow" is equivalent to "given
that in all previous years, this part of December tends to have a lot
of customer traffic and sales, so if there is no extraordinarily
different set of circumstances.
Dec 2017 will likely be busy, also."
No proof, no irrefutable evidence, you just have belief based on a
possibility or a probability!
And experience.
Post by Michael Christ
You big mouthed geniuses don't understand the simplest of things!
You big mouthed idiots don't understand the simplest of things!
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Kevrob
It isn't a claim about knowledge, but an extrapolation based on
experience.
And extrapolation based on personal experience of a fallible human being
is...not...proof and is not scientific **evidence**!!
Who claimed it was, liar?
Post by Michael Christ
You are trying to water down the reality to justify fatally flawed
atheist reasoning.
You are denying reality to justify fatally flawed theist 'reasoning'.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Kevrob
What it isn't is augury, astrology, making a novena, lighting a candle,
"The Law of Attraction," Josh blessing your business as a sign of your
election, cleromancy, reading tea leaves, or the result of your
sacrifice to Hermes.
Doing philosophy requires using univocal terms honestly.
What a load of crap! You decide based on what you believe and your
standards of honesty, your extrapolation??!! You think that equates to
scientific evidence, to proof?? You are verbally wanking.
Says the mental masturbater.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Kevrob
Trolls like you are rarely honest, that way.
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Michael Christ
2017-12-06 00:06:33 UTC
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Michael Christ says...
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Post by Michael Christ
I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe
something without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we
agreed that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children
as a good father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children
to the local orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted
to be a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial
contradictory bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on
intuition rather than known facts"
In the atheist handbook of 'don't know' it says, you cannot base fact
on a 'hunch'. Thou must have proof and scientific evidence, Miloch!!!
The only way for an atheist with a brain to live is to stop what they
are doing right now, because if they move it will involve a lack of
proof and scientific evidence. I mean, what if they want to take a
crap? Well, true to the faith, there is no proof, no evidence that
they will make the crapper on time.
Post by Miloch
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
Delilah cuts Samson's hair because she had a 'hunch' it would make him weaker
North Korea continues its nuclear testing because they have a 'hunch'
the Trumperoonie will do nothing
Flynn cooperates with Mueller because he has a 'hunch' he's headed
for the slammer
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Equivocation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation
"fallacy of equivocation," Miley.
If I "believed" I woudn't be a good father, that would be me making a
judgment based on my estimate of my abilities and personal qualities.
Many a new father has feared this,
while those who know them are much more certain that they will measure
up to the task.
No proof, you just have belief! And according to you dickheads, belief
ain't proof or scientific evidence.
Post by Kevrob
Your story sounds made up, as in what universe would Dad alone be able
to get those children away from their presumably healthy, presumably
sane mother, and into the hands of....an orphanage?
You are missing the point by a mile. It is about the bullshit reasoning
of the atheist, which you have aptly demonstrated in this post.
If you are true to what you claim to be then you would not even attempt
being a father because you have no proof, no irrefutable scientific
evidence that you would be a good one!
And, likewise, no proof, no irrefutable scientific evidence that you would
be a bad one!
Derrrrrrr, you are the one's that want 'proof'.

Are you awake yet??


Michael Christ wrote:>> And if you were to embark on being one, then you
are a hypocrite to your
Post by Smiler
Post by Michael Christ
cause and have none of that human dignity you people claim to have,
because you are putting a baby's life at risk for your own
self-indulgence.
You evidence that he would be putting a baby's life at risk is what,
exactly?
Wake up!

You have no 'proof' you would be a good father.
Post by Smiler
Post by Michael Christ
You need to start thinking, boy.
You first.
Dickhead, go back and read...and comprehend, don't just open your mouth
and vomit your thoughts.
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Kevrob
There aren't really too many of those left in the US.
They've been largely replaced.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphanage#United_States
"I believe it will be busy at work tomorrow" is equivalent to "given
that in all previous years, this part of December tends to have a lot
of customer traffic and sales, so if there is no extraordinarily
different set of circumstances.
Dec 2017 will likely be busy, also."
No proof, no irrefutable evidence, you just have belief based on a
possibility or a probability!
And experience.
No proof!

Is it too complex for you??

You are hypocrites. Go back to blissfully smiling in the mirror at
yourself.





Michael Christ
Cloud Hobbit
2017-12-05 06:53:26 UTC
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Mostly what we stand is the crap from people who don't belong here.

People like you.
Michael Christ
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Mostly what we stand is the crap from people who don't belong here.
People like you.
You are not the owner.







Michael Christ
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2017-12-05 21:02:59 UTC
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Michael Christ says...
Post by Miloch
Post by Michael Christ
I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
"So WE agreed..." Who is the "we" Kemosabe?
What about the WIFE??? Is she not important enough to have any part
in the decision?
No one who becomes a father for the first time has any such "evidence".
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Miloch
Post by Michael Christ
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
This is a SICK post from a SICK person who clearly pulled the whole
stinking mess out of his ass.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Miloch
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
In the atheist handbook of 'don't know' it says, you cannot base fact
on a 'hunch'. Thou must have proof and scientific evidence, Miloch!!!
The only way for an atheist with a brain to live is to stop what they
are doing right now, because if they move it will involve a lack of
proof and scientific evidence. I mean, what if they want to take a
crap? Well, true to the faith, there is no proof, no evidence that
they will make the crapper on time.
You see, it is so simple??
No need to thank me.
Michael Christ
PS Actually the truth is, they stand in their own crap all the time.
The real TRUTH is that STUPID PEOPLE, like Michael Christ, hate the
intelligent, many of whom are atheists, and will construct elaborate piles
of shit like the above posts to make atheists "wrong", and themselves
"right", and "superior". Most of modern "conservative" "christianity" is
based on hatred of the intelligent and liberal by stupid people who USE
a phony christianity to support their egos.
Michael Christ
2017-12-05 21:21:10 UTC
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Michael Christ says...
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Post by Michael Christ
I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
"So WE agreed..."       Who is the "we" Kemosabe?
What about the WIFE??? Is she not important enough to have any part
in the decision?
No one who becomes a father for the first time has any such "evidence".
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Miloch
Post by Michael Christ
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
This is a SICK post from a SICK person who clearly pulled the whole
stinking mess out of his ass.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Miloch
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
In the atheist handbook of 'don't know' it says, you cannot base fact
on a 'hunch'.  Thou must have proof and scientific evidence, Miloch!!!
The only way for an atheist with a brain to live is to stop what they
are doing right now, because if they move it will involve a lack of
proof and scientific evidence.  I mean, what if they want to take a
crap?  Well, true to the faith, there is no proof, no evidence that
they will make the crapper on time.
You see, it is so simple??
No need to thank me.
Michael Christ
PS Actually the truth is, they stand in their own crap all the time.
The real TRUTH is that STUPID PEOPLE, like Michael Christ, hate the
intelligent, many of whom are atheists, and will construct elaborate piles
of shit like the above posts to make atheists "wrong", and themselves
"right", and "superior". Most of modern "conservative" "christianity" is
based on hatred of the intelligent and liberal by stupid people who USE
a phony christianity to support their egos.
You have shown no intelligence in your reply to this post, Itchy. In
fact, you have shown ignorance and stupidity.





Michael Christ
RE
2017-12-03 23:19:04 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
Post by Miloch
Delilah cuts Samson's hair because she had a 'hunch' it would make him weaker
what evidence do you have to support that claim?
Post by Miloch
North Korea continues its nuclear testing because they have a 'hunch' the
Trumperoonie will do nothing
what evidence do you have to support that claim?
Post by Miloch
Flynn cooperates with Mueller because he has a 'hunch' he's headed for the
slammer
It ain't no hunch...
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2017-12-04 02:05:09 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
Post by Miloch
Delilah cuts Samson's hair because she had a 'hunch' it would make him weaker
what evidence do you have to support that claim?
Post by Miloch
North Korea continues its nuclear testing because they have a 'hunch' the
Trumperoonie will do nothing
what evidence do you have to support that claim?
Are you kidding!! With a doofus haircut like his, you just know Kim Jong-un is
guilty of something....I MEAN JUST LOOK AT 'IM! Would you allow your daughter to
go out on a blind date with someone who looked like that?




Warriors lead Miami 108 to 81
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Flynn cooperates with Mueller because he has a 'hunch' he's headed for the
slammer
It ain't no hunch...
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Post by Michael Christ
I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
Post by Miloch
Delilah cuts Samson's hair because she had a 'hunch' it would make him weaker
what evidence do you have to support that claim?
Post by Miloch
North Korea continues its nuclear testing because they have a 'hunch' the
Trumperoonie will do nothing
what evidence do you have to support that claim?
Are you kidding!! With a doofus haircut like his, you just know Kim Jong-un is
guilty of something....I MEAN JUST LOOK AT 'IM! Would you allow your daughter to
go out on a blind date with someone who looked like that?
Lol!
Post by Miloch
Warriors lead Miami 108 to 81
*
Post by RE
Post by Miloch
Flynn cooperates with Mueller because he has a 'hunch' he's headed for the
slammer
It ain't no hunch...
duke
2017-12-04 12:13:41 UTC
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.


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Cloud Hobbit
2017-12-04 17:52:35 UTC
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How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.


the dukester, American-Idiot
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Since the OT is so full of fiction there is little in it that can be used as evidence.

There is no reason to believe that Cain and Abel ever really existed. The Adam and Eve story certainly has no supporting evidence.

Do keep up the effort that you and your fellow trolls have been doing to insure your faith based bullshit will die and the world become more and more atheist because of it.

It should surprise nobody that theism is most strong amongst people with the least amount of education. Those places where theism is strongest also tend to be the poorest precisely because of how theism dominated their history and their present.

Nothing has done more harm to humanity than bad philosophy.
Theism, belief based on nothing is a philosophy and it is bad for you. It smacks of people who wanted to find something to explain what at the time seemed inexplicable.
TheRealMccoy
2017-12-04 17:57:43 UTC
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the world become more and more atheist because of it.
Your sockpuppet posts in one usenet group?

You are severely deluded.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-12-04 18:14:38 UTC
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the world become more and more atheist because of it.
Your sockpuppet posts in one usenet group?
You are severely deluded.
I have no sockpuppets.
TheRealMccoy
2017-12-04 18:21:31 UTC
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the world become more and more atheist because of it.
Your sockpuppet posts in one usenet group?
You are severely deluded.
I have no sockpuppets.
So your word, as usual and proven time and time again, is worthless.
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2017-12-05 19:56:58 UTC
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the world become more and more atheist because of it.
Your sockpuppet posts in one usenet group?
You are severely deluded.
I have no sockpuppets.
So your word, as usual and proven time and time again, is worthless.
What evidence do you have to doubt him, insane convicted criminal Yost?
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Cloud Hobbit
2017-12-06 05:12:01 UTC
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So your word, as usual and proven time and time again, is worthless.
_________

Proven by whom?

How?

You have proven you wish to be treated like a mental patient.
A bona fide tinfoil hat wearing dipshit who belongs in a rubber room, so excuse me if I tell you in all seriousness, you are full of shit.

You're a spamming beggar and insane excon who thinks he flies around in flying saucers.

You are in no position to talk about anyone's worth or their word.

Just hop back on the saucer and FUCK the he'll of psycho convict Yost.
Tim
2017-12-31 11:19:53 UTC
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the world become more and more atheist because of it.
Your sockpuppet posts in one usenet group?
You are severely deluded.
I have no sockpuppets.
So your word, as usual and proven time and time again, is worthless.
No, you've been outed already as being a sockpuppet. That makes your word worthless, criminal kook yost.
duke
2017-12-05 21:59:55 UTC
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How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
Since the OT is so full of fiction there is little in it that can be used as evidence.
The fight between cain and abel are prehistory.
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There is no reason to believe that Cain and Abel ever really existed. The Adam and Eve story certainly has no supporting evidence.
Then why are you pushing the details.


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2017-12-06 02:51:14 UTC
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The fight between cain and abel are prehistory.

No, it's not any kind of history.
It's a myth.
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There is no reason to believe that Cain and Abel ever really existed. The Adam and Eve story certainly has no supporting evidence.
Bob
2017-12-06 03:59:52 UTC
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The fight between cain and abel are prehistory.
No, it's not any kind of history.
It's a myth.
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There is no reason to believe that Cain and Abel ever really
existed. The Adam and Eve story certainly has no supporting
evidence.
No one is telling you that you have to believe it.

In fact, I'm telling you that you cannot believe it.

It's impossible for you to believe it's true, being an unregenerate.

And, here's the important part that you keep missing:
God doesn't want you to believe it.

It's not meant for you to believe, so just keep moving.

"So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he
wills. You will say to me then, 'Why does he still find fault? For who can
resist his will?' But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will
what is
molded say to its molder, 'Why have you made me like this?' Has the potter
no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for
honorable
use and another for dishonorable use?"
(Romans 9:18-21)
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The unregenerate non-elect will always believe what another unregenerate
non-elect says, whereas the regenerate elect will intrinsically recognize
what the unregenerate non-elect says as a lie. Therefore those who were
predestined for Hell, will still end up in Hell, and those who are
predestined
for Heaven are still going to go to Heaven. Nothing in God's plan will
change.
For by convincing other unregenerate non-elects to believe his lies, he is
fulfilling that part of God's plan which God has predestined just for him.

Or, as the Gospel of John very concisely puts it:
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door
but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who
enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper
opens.
The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them
out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep
follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but
they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
duke
2017-12-08 20:43:29 UTC
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The fight between cain and abel are prehistory.
No, it's not any kind of history.
It's a myth.
If it's prehistory, how would you know?
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There is no reason to believe that Cain and Abel ever really existed. The Adam and Eve story certainly has no supporting evidence.
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2017-12-08 20:54:15 UTC
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The fight between cain and abel are prehistory.
No, it's not any kind of history.
It's a myth.
If it's prehistory, how would you know?
If it is prehistory how do you know it is accurate in the Bible?
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There is no reason to believe that Cain and Abel ever really existed. The Adam and Eve story certainly has no supporting evidence.
the dukester, American-American
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RE
2017-12-04 19:26:04 UTC
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
No Duke, I am not. He isn't or wasn't a believer. I'm challenging him
to see if he HAS BECOME one.
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duke
2017-12-05 13:03:30 UTC
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
No Duke, I am not. He isn't or wasn't a believer. I'm challenging him
to see if he HAS BECOME one.
I was referring to your comment "cain killed abel because......". (the book is
just a book).

the dukester, American-American


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RE
2017-12-06 04:24:59 UTC
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
No Duke, I am not. He isn't or wasn't a believer. I'm challenging him
to see if he HAS BECOME one.
I was referring to your comment "cain killed abel because......". (the book is
just a book).
Like I told you before, it was a challenge. He once remarked that
it was a book written by senile old men. I am trying to prod his
conscience. he didn't answer and knowing him..that is a good sign.
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You cannot reason with a tiger when your
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duke
2017-12-06 13:26:01 UTC
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
No Duke, I am not. He isn't or wasn't a believer. I'm challenging him
to see if he HAS BECOME one.
I was referring to your comment "cain killed abel because......". (the book is
just a book).
Like I told you before, it was a challenge. He once remarked that
it was a book written by senile old men. I am trying to prod his
conscience. he didn't answer and knowing him..that is a good sign.
Ok. I'm a strong believer that scripture in general is heavily spiritual and
not physical. Of course, Gen 4, "Cain and Able" is clearly referred to as
prehistory, Gen 1-11.
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Rod E.
2017-12-06 21:39:50 UTC
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
No Duke, I am not. He isn't or wasn't a believer. I'm challenging him
to see if he HAS BECOME one.
I was referring to your comment "cain killed abel because......". (the book is
just a book).
Like I told you before, it was a challenge. He once remarked that
it was a book written by senile old men. I am trying to prod his
conscience. he didn't answer and knowing him..that is a good sign.
Ok. I'm a strong believer that scripture in general is heavily spiritual and
not physical. Of course, Gen 4, "Cain and Able" is clearly referred to as
prehistory, Gen 1-11.
Perhaps but the farther back into history one travels
the more one learns of truth.
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2017-12-07 13:10:06 UTC
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
No Duke, I am not. He isn't or wasn't a believer. I'm challenging him
to see if he HAS BECOME one.
I was referring to your comment "cain killed abel because......". (the book is
just a book).
Like I told you before, it was a challenge. He once remarked that
it was a book written by senile old men. I am trying to prod his
conscience. he didn't answer and knowing him..that is a good sign.
Ok. I'm a strong believer that scripture in general is heavily spiritual and
not physical. Of course, Gen 4, "Cain and Able" is clearly referred to as
prehistory, Gen 1-11.
Perhaps but the farther back into history one travels
the more one learns of truth.
Scripture wise, that's back to Abraham. If you go back to Genesis, you find
that there was light before stars. (if you believe it is accurate).

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2017-12-07 14:47:14 UTC
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Scripture wise, that's back to Abraham. If you go back to Genesis, you find
that there was light before stars. (if you believe it is accurate).
Not only that, there was water three days before there were any stars to
cook up the trans-beryllium component of water known as oxygen. But
that's to be expected from a book written by people who didn't even know
where the sun went at night.
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Scripture wise, that's back to Abraham. If you go back to Genesis, you find
that there was light before stars. (if you believe it is accurate).
Not only that, there was water three days before there were any stars to
cook up the trans-beryllium component of water known as oxygen. But
that's to be expected from a book written by people who didn't even know
where the sun went at night.
Yep, pretty much so. Pagans before Abraham came up with this long ago.

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Scripture wise, that's back to Abraham. If you go back to Genesis, you find
that there was light before stars. (if you believe it is accurate).
Not only that, there was water three days before there were any stars to
cook up the trans-beryllium component of water known as oxygen. But
that's to be expected from a book written by people who didn't even know
where the sun went at night.
Yep, pretty much so. Pagans before Abraham came up with this long ago.
Told you the Catholic Church was pagan 'Catholic Church condemned
Galileo in 1632 for his heretical notion that the earth was a round
globe hurtling through space about the sun'

Wasn't that heresy to the RCC???
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2017-12-19 03:32:18 UTC
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How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
How many times have you told us not to believe anything in Genesis 1-11 ?
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How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
How many times have you told us not to believe anything in Genesis 1-11 ?
I never said any such thing.

I said the Gen 1-11 is prehistory.

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2017-12-31 04:56:30 UTC
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How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
How many times have you told us not to believe anything in Genesis 1-11 ?
I never said any such thing.
I said the Gen 1-11 is prehistory.
SO that means we can ignore it?
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How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
How many times have you told us not to believe anything in Genesis 1-11 ?
I never said any such thing.
I said the Gen 1-11 is prehistory.
SO that means we can ignore it?
Why not, Gronk...there are lots of other religions to choose from. Ya don't
like Christianity, there's Hinduism...or Islam...or a shit-ton of others.

So...which one's best...it's like asking "Coke or Pepsi?"..."Fords or
Chevys?"..."Coffee or Tea?"..."Impeach the President or WWIII?"





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How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
How many times have you told us not to believe anything in Genesis 1-11 ?
I never said any such thing.
I said the Gen 1-11 is prehistory.
SO that means we can ignore it?
Why not, Gronk...there are lots of other religions to choose from. Ya don't
like Christianity, there's Hinduism...or Islam...or a shit-ton of others.
Encyclopedia of Gods
https://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Gods-Over-Deities-World/dp/0816029091/

Let us worship Aphrodite,
Though we hear she's rather flighty
Still she looks great in a nightie
And that's good enough for me.

We will pray to Father Zeus
In his temple we'll hang loose
Eating roast beef au jus,
And that's good enough for me.

Let us worship like the Druids
Drinking strange fermented fluids
Running naked through the wo-ods,
And that's good enough for me.

[Alternative third line: Running naked but for wo-ads]

My roommate worships Buddha.
There is no idol cuter.
Comes in copper, bronze, and pewter,
And that's good enough for me.

We will worship Sun Myung Moon
Though we know he is a goon.
All our money he'll have soon.
And that's good enough for me.

We will go down to the temple,
Sit on mats woven of hemp(le),
Try to set a good exemple [sic],
And that's good enough for me.

We will finally pray to Jesus,
From our sins we hope he frees us,
Eternal life he guarantees us,
And that's good enough for me.

Let us pray to Zarathustra
Let us pray just like we useta
I'm a Zarathustra boosta
It's good enough for me.

Let us pray like the Egyptians
Build pyramids to put our crypts in
Fill our subways with inscriptions
It's good enough for me.

If it's good enough for Dagon
That conservative old pagan
Who still votes for Ronald Reagan
It's good enough for me

We will have a mighty orgy,
In the honor of Astarte
It will be one helluva party
And it's good enough for me.

We will sacrifice to Yuggoth
Carve the signs of Azag-Thoth
Burn a candle for Yog-Sothoth
And the Goat with a thousand young.

We will all be saved by Mithras
We will all be saved by Mithras
Slay the bull and play the zithras
On that resurrection day.

We will all bow down to Enlil
We will all bow down to Enlil
Pass your cup and get a refill
With bold Gilgamesh the brave.

It was good enough for Loki
It was good enough for Loki
He thinks Thor's a little hokey
And he's good enough for me.

We will all go to Nirvana
So be sure to mind your manners
Make a left turn at Savannah
And we'll see the Promised Land.

It was good for old Jehova
He had a son who was a nova
Hey there, Mithras move on ova'
A new resurrection day.

Where's the gong gang? I can't find it
I think Northwoods is behind it
For they've always been cymbal minded
Yet they're good enough for me.

I hear Valkyries a-comin
In the air their song is coming
They forgot the words they're humming
Yet they're good enough for me.

There are people into voodoo
Africa has raised a whoodo
Just one little doll will do you
And it's good enough for me.

It was good for Thor and Odin
Grab an axe and get your woad on
Till the Giants went and rode in
And it's good enough for me.

It was good enough for Odin
Though the croakin' was forbodin'
Until the giants road in
And it's good enough for me

If your rising sign is Aries
You'll be taken by the faeries
Meet the Buddha in Benares
Where he'll hit you with a pie.

There will be a lot of lovin'
When we're gathered in our coven.
Quit your pushin' and your shovin'
So there'll be room enough for me.

There are followers of Conan.
And you'll never hear 'em groaning
Followed Crom up to his throne(in)
And it's good enough for me

It could be that you're a Parsi.
It could be that you're a Parsi.
Walk on by her; you'll get in free
And you're good enough for me.

Azathoth is in his Chaos.
Azathoth is in his Chaos.
Now if only he don't sway us,
Then that's good enough for me.

Just like Carlos Casteneda,
Just like Carlos Casteneda,
It'll get you sooner or later
And it's good enough for me.

We will venerate Bubastes.
We will venerate Bubastes.
If you like us then just ask us,
And that's good enough for me.

We will all sing Hari Krishna.
We will all sing Hari Krishna.
It's not mentioned in the mishna
But that's good enough for me.

We will read from the Cabala.
Quote the Tree of Life mandala
It won't get you in Valhalla,
Yet it's good enough for me.

If you think that you'll be sa-ved,
If you think that you'll be sa-ved,
If you follow Mogan David,
You're not good enough for me.

It's the opera written for us.
We will all join in the chorus.
It's the opera about Boris
Which is Godunov for me.

There is room enough in Hades
For lots of criminals and shadies
And disreputable ladies,
And they're good enough for me.

To the tune of Handel's "Largo"
We will hymn the gods of cargo
'Til they slap on an embargo
And that's good enough for me.

Praise to Popacatapetl
Just a tiny cigarette'll
put him in terrific fettle
so he's good enough for me.

We will drive up to Valhalla
riding Beetles, not Impalas
singing "Deutschland Uber Alles"
and that's good enough for me.

We will all bow to Hephaestus
As a blacksmith he will test us
'cause his balls are pure asbestos
so he's good enough for me.

We will sing of Iluvatur,
Who sent the Valar 'cross the water
To lead Morgoth to the slaughter
And that's just fine with me.

We will sing of Foul the Render,
Who's got Drool Rockworm on a bender
In his cave in Kiril Threndor--
They're both too much for me.

We will sing the Jug of Issek,
And of Fafhrd his chief mystic,
Though to thieving Mouser will stick,
And that's good enough for me.

Of Lord Shardik you must beware;
To please him you must swear;
'Cause enraged he's a real Bear,
And that's good enough for me.

You can dance and wave the thyrsos
And sing lots of rowdy verses
Till the neighbors holler curses,
And that's good enough for me.

Let us celebrate Jehovah
Who created us \ab/ \ova/
He'll be on tonight on Nova
'cause he's good enough for me.

Montezuma used to start out
He would rip a certain part out
You would really eat your heart out
And he's good enough for me.

We will go to worship Zeus
Though his morals are quite loose
He gave Leda quite a goose
And he's good enough for me.

It was good enough for Loki
For he is the god of Chaos
And this verse doesn't even rhyme, or scan.
Fuck you! It's good enough for me.

Let us sing to old Discordia
'Cause it's sure she's never bored ya
And if she's good enough for ya
Then she's good enough for me.

We will go to worship Venus
Though we hear she's kind of mean(us)
She might bite you on the--elbow
But she's good enough for me.

Well, we went to worship Venus
And, by god, you should have seen us
'Cause the clinic had to screen us
But she's good enough for me.

We will go and worship Isis
She will help us in a crisis
And she'll never raise her prices
So she's good enough for me.

We will sing a song of Mithras
Let us sing a song of Mithras
But there is no rhyme for Mithras!
Still he's good enough for me.

We will go to worship Kali
She will help us in our folly
She'd be quite an armful, golly!
And she's good enough for me.

We will all bow down to Allah,
For he gave his loyal follow-
Ers the mighy petro-dollah,
And that's good enough for me.

Let us sing to Lord Cthuhlu
Don't let Lovecraft try to fool you
Or the Elder Gods WILL rule you
And that's good enough for me.

Let us watch Ka.ka.pa.ull
Frolic in her swimming pool
Subjecting chaos to her rule
And that's all right with me

Let's all listen up to Jesus
He says rich folks like old Croesus
Will be damned until Hell freezes
And that don't sound good to me.

Let us do our thing for Eris
Goddess of the discord there is
Apple's golden, it's not ferrous
and that's good enough for me

Of the Old Ones, none is vaster
Even Cthulhu's not his master
I refer to the unspeakable ------*
and that's good enough for me

* well, do YOU want to say it?

Let us worship old Jehovah
All you other gods move ovah
Cause the one God's takin' over
And it's good enough for me

Let us sing for Brooharia
Though the blood's a lot less cleaner
It's not Christian Santaria
So it's good enough for me

Timmy Leary we will sing to
And the things that he was into
(Well, at least it wasn't Shinto)
And that's good enough for me.

We shall sacrifice to OTIS
and Lotus, Spode, and Rotus
Though the normals may not notice
It will be good enough for me.

Then we'll worship with the Fruitcakes
(better than those Buddhist flakes)
bowing for the weekly keepsake
and it will be good enough for me
Miloch
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How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
How many times have you told us not to believe anything in Genesis 1-11 ?
I never said any such thing.
I said the Gen 1-11 is prehistory.
SO that means we can ignore it?
Why not, Gronk...there are lots of other religions to choose from. Ya don't
like Christianity, there's Hinduism...or Islam...or a shit-ton of others.
Encyclopedia of Gods
https://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Gods-Over-Deities-World/dp/0816029091/
Let us worship Aphrodite,
Though we hear she's rather flighty
Still she looks great in a nightie
And that's good enough for me.
Post by Miloch
Then we'll worship with the Fruitcakes
(better than those Buddhist flakes)
bowing for the weekly keepsake
and it will be good enough for me
That's the spirit, GronkMan!!




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duke
2017-12-31 18:07:20 UTC
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How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
How many times have you told us not to believe anything in Genesis 1-11 ?
I never said any such thing.
I said the Gen 1-11 is prehistory.
SO that means we can ignore it?
Only if you believe the chicken came before the egg.

the dukester, American-American


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TT Liams
2017-12-31 22:40:01 UTC
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How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
How many times have you told us not to believe anything in Genesis 1-11 ?
I never said any such thing.
I said the Gen 1-11 is prehistory.
SO that means we can ignore it?
Only if you believe the chicken came before the egg.
The chicken came first.
Teresita
2017-12-31 23:00:03 UTC
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The chicken came first.
Only because Allah didn't particularly want to sit on an egg for three
weeks.
Miloch
2017-12-31 23:19:02 UTC
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The chicken came first.
Only because Allah didn't particularly want to sit on an egg for three
weeks.
Didn't need to...he knew the following:

"In nature, living things evolve through changes in their DNA. In an animal like
a chicken, DNA from a male sperm cell and a female ovum meet and combine to form
a zygote -- the first cell of a new baby chicken. This first cell divides
innumerable times to form all of the cells of the complete animal. In any
animal, every cell contains exactly the same DNA, and that DNA comes from the
zygote.

"Chickens evolved from non-chickens through small changes caused by the mixing
of male and female DNA or by mutations to the DNA that produced the zygote.
These changes and mutations only have an effect at the point where a new zygote
is created. That is, two non-chickens mated and the DNA in their new zygote
contained the mutation(s) that produced the first true chicken. That one zygote
cell divided to produce the first true chicken.





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Gronk
2018-01-05 05:25:42 UTC
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How do you know Cain didn't kill Abel? You're rejecting the only evidence.
How many times have you told us not to believe anything in Genesis 1-11 ?
I never said any such thing.
I said the Gen 1-11 is prehistory.
SO that means we can ignore it?
Only if you believe the chicken came before the egg.
So, taking a rib from a male human resulted in a female human?
Don Martin
2017-12-05 00:16:22 UTC
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on intuition rather
than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
Considering the supposed population of the earth at the time of the
crime, it is highly unlikely that the author of the account witnessed
the act.
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aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
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Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
Smiler
2017-12-05 20:04:43 UTC
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Post by Don Martin
Post by RE
Post by Miloch
Post by Michael Christ
I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe
something without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we
agreed that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children
as a good father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children
to the local orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to
be a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial
contradictory bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on
intuition rather than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
Considering the supposed population of the earth at the time of the
crime, it is highly unlikely that the author of the account witnessed
the act.
You mean he wasn't there? He didn't see the corpse?
Hey, maybe it never happened?
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

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Don Martin
2017-12-05 23:02:11 UTC
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe
something without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we
agreed that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children
as a good father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children
to the local orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to
be a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial
contradictory bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
You're talking about a 'hunch'..."a feeling or guess based on
intuition rather than known facts"
Cain killed Abel because he had a 'hunch' God liked Abel more
But how do you know that Cain killed Abel? The Bible is just a book
written by men; many an atheist claims it is fictional, so what evidence
do you have to support that claim?
Considering the supposed population of the earth at the time of the
crime, it is highly unlikely that the author of the account witnessed
the act.
You mean he wasn't there? He didn't see the corpse?
Hey, maybe it never happened?
No chalk outlines were drawn or injured in the making of this myth!
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
servant
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The subject line has it correctly.

Waht evidence christians can sin?

1 John is the evidence. John was addressing christians and included
himself among those for whom sin was a reality:

1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship
one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.

1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth
is not in us.

1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word
is not in us.

2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ
the righteous:
Robert
2017-12-04 18:43:36 UTC
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The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence. John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.

1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law. 
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin. 
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him. 
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.

God's truth can set you free, and it will if you by faith believe on
him. Let Him change you, something that you cannot do of yourself.
TheRealMccoy
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Let Him change you, something that you cannot do of yourself.
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
servant
2017-12-04 18:53:21 UTC
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Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence. John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law. 
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin. 
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him. 
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the "born again" protestant greek experts.

They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all sin and lie
if they say otherwise".

So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb form of "if
continuing".

See the same conditional "if" in the following; noting the "we/us"
including John in association with the verses. So when John says he and
other christians sin the conditional as long as they abide kicks in.

Meaning they can not at all times do the conditional "if abide", and are
liars if they claim otherwise:

1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship
one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.

1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth
is not in us.

1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word
is not in us.

2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ
the righteous:
Robert
2017-12-04 23:13:30 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence. John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law. 
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin. 
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him. 
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the "born again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
Post by servant
They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all sin and lie
if they say otherwise".
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.

<snipped>

I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
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On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 6:13:30 PM UTC-5, Robert wrote:

<snip>
Post by Robert
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
Alt.atheism doesn't care what a cross-posting....

alt.christnet.christianlife
alt.bible.prophecy
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
alt.bible

....proselytizing troll says.

Take it to an appropriate group.

Kevin R
servant
2017-12-04 23:40:40 UTC
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Post by servant
Post by Robert
Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence. John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law. 
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin. 
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him. 
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the "born again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
Correction, not "him" but "them" and already posted before.
Post by Robert
Post by servant
They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all sin and lie
if they say otherwise".
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.
Scripture here is greek not english translation.

The "born again" greek experts who saw the obviouscontridiction turned to
the more exacting andoriginal greek to see the details.
Post by Robert
<snipped>
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
John addresses christians not those who might become so. The "we/us"
clearly includes himself; and the greek expertssay this is confirmed in the
greek grammer he uses.

Any one who would want to "excuse away" John's teaching must be first
shown more creadible then the greek experts:

1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship
one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.

1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth
is not in us.

1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word
is not in us.

2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ
the righteous:
Robert
2017-12-05 00:29:15 UTC
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Post by servant
Post by Robert
Post by servant
Post by Robert
Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence. John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law. 
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin. 
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him. 
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the "born again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
Correction, not "him" but "them" and already posted before.
It matters not. I told you then that I would not be reading what you
try to say others said until after you had answered a question and
accusation you brought up.

You have been dancing ever since, without truth.

When I did ask you for the proof, that you claimed you had, it was
never shown. You have no common courtesy to extend to anyone.

You have all the rationalization skills of a well trained parrot.
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 16:29:15 -0800, Robert wanted to impress others as much
as he impresses himself.
snip, usual Robert tap dance.
Post by Robert
You have all the rationalization skills of a well trained parrot.
Which exceed yours based on your posting history. But as regards the
title, how does it feel to publicly admit you are a fool? Serious question
BTW. Not that anyone expects you to answer but run away.
Cloud Hobbit
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Hey Servant!

FUCK off to the proper NG.

Your God beliefs are nothing but fairy tales.
Bob
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Hey Servant!
FUCK off to the proper NG.
Your God beliefs are nothing but fairy tales.
You unsubstantiated opinions are nothing but lies.
Cloud Hobbit
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You unsubstantiated opinions are nothing but lies.
_____

Thanks for admitting you are a liar Bob.

We already knew it but as they say, confession is good for the soul.

If only such a thing as a soul existed.

Or a God.

Thanks for helping recruit more atheists by demonstrating how insane theism makes you.
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Thanks for helping recruit more atheists.
Atheists are not "recruited".

Being rejected by God makes someone an atheist.

"Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." -Romans 9:13

Jacob was a theist. Esau was an atheist. God predestined each one's fate.

See how that works?

You're welcome.
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The unregenerate non-elect will always believe what another unregenerate
non-elect says, whereas the regenerate elect will intrinsically recognize
what the unregenerate non-elect says as a lie. Therefore those who were
predestined for Hell, will still end up in Hell, and those who are
predestined
for Heaven are still going to go to Heaven. Nothing in God's plan will
change.
For by convincing other unregenerate non-elects to believe his lies, he is
fulfilling that part of God's plan which God has predestined just for him.

Or, as the Gospel of John very concisely puts it:
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door
but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who
enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper
opens.
The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them
out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep
follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but
they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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Post by Bob
Thanks for helping recruit more atheists.
Atheists are not "recruited".
Sure they are if they have people they are friendly with who discuss philosophy and theology with. If they are having doubts about the existence of God and are capable of objective reasoning, they can be convinced that belief in God is nonexistent. That'
That's how it happened for me.

I was never much of a theist even as a kid it all seemed more like Greek and Roman mythology. Lots of stories and no deities ever presenting themselves.
Post by Bob
Being rejected by God makes someone an atheist.
That's your opinion.
Post by Bob
"Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." -Romans 9:13
Jacob was a theist. Esau was an atheist. God predestined each one's fate.
See how that works?
I see that you believe it, but it is still only your opinion and you still have nothing.
Post by Bob
You're welcome.
Recruited or not, the kind of nonsense arguments that you and Art, or Duke offer do nothing to convince anyone of your version of "truth."

When rational people see the levels that theists will stoop to it can do nothing but serve as evidence that their claims are nonsense.
Thank you for making atheism more popular and helping to spread the truth about God being imaginary.
Bob
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Thanks for helping recruit more atheists.
Atheists are not "recruited".
Sure they are if they have people they are friendly with who discuss
philosophy and theology with. If they are having doubts about the
existence of God and are capable of objective reasoning, they can be
convinced that belief in God is nonexistent.
If they have been rejected, and are therefore hated by God then you can
make them believe anything you want.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
That's how it happened for me.
I don't doubt that for a second. Q.E.D.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Post by Bob
Being rejected by God makes someone an atheist.
That's your opinion.
But I'm not the only one.
Billions of other people have the selfsame opinion.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Post by Bob
"Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." -Romans 9:13
Jacob was a theist. Esau was an atheist. God predestined each one's fate.
See how that works?
I see that you believe it, but it is still only your opinion.
But I'm not the only one.
And we all have the same reason to know that it's true,
and not just an opinion.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Thank you for making atheism more popular and helping to spread the
truth about God being imaginary.
Yes, God can use what I say here to draw those whom he has chosen to be his
elect into Christianity. Just as he can use my words to keep all others from
becoming a Christian.

God decides who will go where, not us.
--
The unregenerate non-elect will always believe what another unregenerate
non-elect says, whereas the regenerate elect will intrinsically recognize
what the unregenerate non-elect says as a lie. Therefore those who were
predestined for Hell, will still end up in Hell, and those who are
predestined
for Heaven are still going to go to Heaven. Nothing in God's plan will
change.
For by convincing other unregenerate non-elects to believe his lies, he is
fulfilling that part of God's plan which God has predestined just for him.

Or, as the Gospel of John very concisely puts it:
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door
but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who
enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper
opens.
The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them
out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep
follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but
they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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2017-12-05 04:30:32 UTC
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Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence. John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the "born again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
Post by servant
They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all sin and lie
if they say otherwise".
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.
<snipped>
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
Please you kooks fight in your own newsgroups. We in a.a. are trying to
keep our ng wholesome.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
Michael Christ
2017-12-05 05:03:52 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence.  John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the "born
again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
Post by servant
They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all sin and lie
if they say otherwise".
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.
<snipped>
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
Please you kooks fight in your own newsgroups. We in a.a. are trying to
keep our ng wholesome.
But Raven1 called it a cesspool?? Who is telling the truth??

Or is it a case of you believe this, he believes that, and you have no
proof??






Michael Christ
Olrik
2017-12-05 05:17:59 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by servant
Post by Robert
Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence.  John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the "born
again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
Post by servant
They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all sin and lie
if they say otherwise".
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.
<snipped>
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
Please you kooks fight in your own newsgroups. We in a.a. are trying
to keep our ng wholesome.
But Raven1 called it a cesspool??  Who is telling the truth??
Or is it a case of you believe this, he believes that, and you have no
proof??
Care to stay focused on this thread?

Many thanks!
--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
Michael Christ
2017-12-05 07:47:15 UTC
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Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by servant
Post by Robert
Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence.  John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the "born
again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
Post by servant
They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all sin and lie
if they say otherwise".
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.
<snipped>
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
Please you kooks fight in your own newsgroups. We in a.a. are trying
to keep our ng wholesome.
But Raven1 called it a cesspool??  Who is telling the truth??
Or is it a case of you believe this, he believes that, and you have no
proof??
Care to stay focused on this thread?
Many thanks!
Its called 'context' based on your words.

Can you grasp the reality??




Michael Christ
Olrik
2017-12-05 07:59:03 UTC
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Post by Olrik
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by servant
Post by Robert
Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence.  John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the
"born again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
Post by servant
They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all sin and lie
if they say otherwise".
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.
<snipped>
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
Please you kooks fight in your own newsgroups. We in a.a. are trying
to keep our ng wholesome.
But Raven1 called it a cesspool??  Who is telling the truth??
Or is it a case of you believe this, he believes that, and you have
no proof??
Care to stay focused on this thread?
Many thanks!
Its called 'context' based on your words.
Can you grasp the reality??
Which one?
--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
Michael Christ
2017-12-05 08:02:59 UTC
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Post by Olrik
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Olrik
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by servant
Post by Robert
Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence.  John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the
"born again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
Post by servant
They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all sin and lie
if they say otherwise".
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.
<snipped>
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
Please you kooks fight in your own newsgroups. We in a.a. are
trying to keep our ng wholesome.
But Raven1 called it a cesspool??  Who is telling the truth??
Or is it a case of you believe this, he believes that, and you have
no proof??
Care to stay focused on this thread?
Many thanks!
Its called 'context' based on your words.
Can you grasp the reality??
Which one?
The obvious one. That you believe yourself to be clever, and thus, deluded.







Michael Christ
Olrik
2017-12-05 08:12:11 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Olrik
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Olrik
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence.  John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was
manifested,
Post by Robert
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the
"born again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
Post by Robert
They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all sin and lie
if they say otherwise".
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.
<snipped>
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
Please you kooks fight in your own newsgroups. We in a.a. are
trying to keep our ng wholesome.
But Raven1 called it a cesspool??  Who is telling the truth??
Or is it a case of you believe this, he believes that, and you have
no proof??
Care to stay focused on this thread?
Many thanks!
Its called 'context' based on your words.
Can you grasp the reality??
Which one?
The obvious one.
Please tell us how you personally distinguish reality from the "obvious"
reality?

Many thanks!


Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
Michael Christ
2017-12-05 20:00:52 UTC
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Post by Olrik
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Olrik
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Olrik
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence.  John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was
manifested,
Post by Robert
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the
"born again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
Post by Robert
They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all sin and lie
if they say otherwise".
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.
<snipped>
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
Please you kooks fight in your own newsgroups. We in a.a. are
trying to keep our ng wholesome.
But Raven1 called it a cesspool??  Who is telling the truth??
Or is it a case of you believe this, he believes that, and you
have no proof??
Care to stay focused on this thread?
Many thanks!
Its called 'context' based on your words.
Can you grasp the reality??
Which one?
The obvious one.
Please tell us how you personally distinguish reality from the "obvious"
reality?
Many thanks!
Some things (what is real) are obscure (e.g. a image in the
distance...is it a bird...is it a plane), and some things are obvious
because they are right in front of your face (e.g. you live by belief,
not proof).

Consequently, anyone asking for 'proof' is a hypocrite, and deluding
themselves with an assertion that is drowning in ignorance.

Thank you for asking.

Would you care to have a go at this...

"I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.

Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.

Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.

Thank you."






Michael Christ






Michael Christ
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Olrik
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Cloud Hobbit
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Post by Michael Christ
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Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by servant
The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence.  John was addressing christians and
included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
for sin
is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our
sins; and
in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever
sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil
sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was
manifested,
Post by Robert
that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the
"born again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
Post by Robert
They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all
sin and lie
if they say otherwise".
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb
form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.
<snipped>
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
Please you kooks fight in your own newsgroups. We in a.a. are
trying to keep our ng wholesome.
But Raven1 called it a cesspool??  Who is telling the truth??
Or is it a case of you believe this, he believes that, and you
have no proof??
Care to stay focused on this thread?
Many thanks!
Its called 'context' based on your words.
Can you grasp the reality??
Which one?
The obvious one.
Please tell us how you personally distinguish reality from the "obvious"
reality?
Many thanks!
Some things (what is real) are obscure (e.g. a image in the
distance...is it a bird...is it a plane), and some things are obvious
because they are right in front of your face (e.g. you live by belief,
not proof).
Consequently, anyone asking for 'proof' is a hypocrite, and deluding
themselves with an assertion that is drowning in ignorance.
Thank you for asking.
Would you care to have a go at this...
"I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you."
Michael Christ
Not every decision one makes has to be one requiring evidence.
Do you like Chocolate or strawberry or some other flavor. Personal preference does not require irrefutable evidence.
Deciding to accept the word of people who have been shown to be liars and who proclaim that one must believe in an invisible, unevidenced, irrational deity who has a moral code that is impossible for humans to live by is irrational.

Insisting that if you don't believe in this completely unevidenced deity you are going to be tortured for eternity is irrational and demonstrates that this alleged deity is also irrational. If we are supposed to be God's creation and God is omniscient he should have foreseen that we need more than the word of some sheepherders from 2000 years ago. He should have foreseen that just showing up at some little wide spot in the road in the mid-east would not do it for the rest of the world. God if real should have known that human beings need things to make sense, something that much of the OT does not do and he should not allow his word which is what the bible is supposed to be, be subject to interpretation. Omniscience is a trap for theists because it does not allow God the possibility of making any mistakes since he is supposed to be able to know everything, past, present, and future.

The obvious conclusion about your imaginary, omnipotent God is that he is one lazy fuck or else he would have exerted a bit more energy to make sure that people could not have doubts about its existence. it should not get pissed at us for behaving the way he designed us. He should make regular personal appearances.

George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and Christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd.

Sam Harris

"Why would anybody want to base their life and morality around the
scribblings of so many liars." -- Cloud Hobbit
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The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence.  John was addressing christians and
included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
for sin
is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our
sins; and
in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever
sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil
sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was
manifested,
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that he might destroy the works of the devil.V
very good, the very kind of verses that greatly trroubled the
"born again" protestant greek experts.
You showed no proof of that statement. Plus I am not discussing this
with him, but you. If you cannot stand on your own two legs, spiritual
or others then why are you discussing this?
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They present a very clear contridiction to the 1:8 with "all
sin and lie
if they say otherwise".
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb
form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.
<snipped>
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
Please you kooks fight in your own newsgroups. We in a.a. are
trying to keep our ng wholesome.
But Raven1 called it a cesspool??  Who is telling the truth??
Or is it a case of you believe this, he believes that, and you
have no proof??
Care to stay focused on this thread?
Many thanks!
Its called 'context' based on your words.
Can you grasp the reality??
Which one?
The obvious one.
Please tell us how you personally distinguish reality from the "obvious"
reality?
Many thanks!
Some things (what is real) are obscure (e.g. a image in the
distance...is it a bird...is it a plane), and some things are obvious
because they are right in front of your face (e.g. you live by belief,
not proof).
Consequently, anyone asking for 'proof' is a hypocrite, and deluding
themselves with an assertion that is drowning in ignorance.
Thank you for asking.
Would you care to have a go at this...
"I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you."
Not every decision one makes has to be one requiring evidence.
I have been waiting for someone to at least start thinking.

So let's see.
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Do you like Chocolate or strawberry or some other flavor.
Chocolate.
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Personal preference does not require irrefutable evidence.
My point is if you are a true atheist you wouldn't do anything because
you require 'proof', as nothing is based on 'proof', everything is based
on faith and belief.

Which is what you are actually attesting to above. You don't need
'proof' to like chocolate the first time you taste it, you need belief
that it is nice to eat, that it won't kill you and so on.
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Deciding to accept the word of people who have been shown to be liars
Where is the proof??

Your say so??

Where is the evidence??

You are just regurgitating your own theology, like the self-righteous
run-of-the-mill bible quoting religionist.
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and who proclaim that one must believe in an invisible, unevidenced, irrational deity who has a > moral code that is impossible for humans to live by is irrational.
You want evidence??? But you don't live by evidence or proof, you live
by faith and belief.

You are being a hypocrite, like the religious assholes.
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Insisting that if you don't believe in this completely unevidenced deity you are going to be tortured for eternity is irrational and demonstrates that this alleged deity is also irrational. If we are supposed to be God's creation and God is omniscient he should have foreseen that we need more than the word of some sheepherders from 2000 years ago. He should have foreseen that just showing up at some little wide spot in the road in the mid-east would not do it for the rest of the world. God if real should have known that human beings need things to make sense, something that much of the OT does not do and he should not allow his word which is what the bible is supposed to be, be subject to interpretation. Omniscience is a trap for theists because it does not allow God the possibility of making any mistakes since he is supposed to be able to know everything, past, present, and future.
The obvious conclusion about your imaginary, omnipotent God is that he is one lazy fuck or else he would have exerted a bit more energy to make sure that people could not have doubts about its existence. it should not get pissed at us for behaving the way he designed us. He should make regular personal appearances.
George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and Christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd.
Sam Harris
"Why would anybody want to base their life and morality around the
scribblings of so many liars." -- Cloud Hobbit
You base your existence on what you think is not?? Is that all your
claim to fame is?? And you are the what?? The truth?? And your truth
is they are liars???

You are just talking out your arse and wanking simultaneously, you have
no right to judge people when your life is built on the same substance,
faith and belief.

Do you have proof your amazing reply to my comments will reach this
forum??? No, you don't! You have to believe and have faith in the
mechanisms in place, but you have no guarantee, no proof, and no
evidence. In fact, where is the evidence you are going to be alive
tomorrow??

All you are is a bigot and a hypocrite. Go, eat, drink and be merry, or
if you want to think about reality, then you're going to have to grow
some balls and default to an open position of rational and honest
thought and deduction.

And few there are for that, religionist and atheist alike!!







Michael Christ
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Please you kooks fight in your own newsgroups. We in a.a. are trying to
keep our ng wholesome.
<smirk>

That is funny!
Are you thinking about doing a stand-up comedy routine?
That would be a good opening line.
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The subject line has it correctly.
So taking a look at the "if abide they saw it used a greek verb form of "if
continuing".
Incorrect. Whether or not you can trust God and His word, is your
problem, not mine. The word says what it says and God changes not.
There is no shadow of turning with him.
<snipped>
I explained in depth what you are trying to excuse away. Your
understanding is in error as I pointed out several times before, and
nothing has changed. I have read and understood all that you had to
offer before, a courtesy which you never extend to others.
Please you kooks fight in your own newsgroups. We in a.a. are trying to
keep our ng wholesome.
Alcoholics Anonymous used to be 'wholesome' until it was discovered that the 12
steps could really be accomplished in just 10.




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2017-12-04 19:28:51 UTC
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The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
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This is the reality of John the Apostle.
The Cat-Herding Rules and Regulations of alt.atheism and Some Information

All are welcome in the newsgroup, whether they're atheists or not, as long as they are not trolls.
Proselytizing of ANY religion is NOT welcome! (Those guilty of this bad nettiquette will be treated as they deserve!)
This newsgroup exists for atheists to discuss anything of interest to them and other atheists, although others who are honestly interested in joining a discussion and are not trolls are welcome. Trolls will be treated as what they are.

http://web.archive.org/web/20160314200548/http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:faq

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2017-12-05 00:16:22 UTC
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The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence. John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
And abraded everyone else. A thoroughgoing pain in the arse, he was.
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The subject line has it correctly.
Waht evidence christians can sin?
1 John is the evidence. John was addressing christians and included
This is the reality of John the Apostle. John abided in Jesus.
1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin
is the transgression of the law. 
1Jn 3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and
in him is no sin. 
1Jn 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath
not seen him, neither known him. 
1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth
righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 
1Jn 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that he might destroy the works of the devil.
God's truth can set you free, and it will if you by faith believe on
him. Let Him change you, something that you cannot do of yourself.
Your mistake is that you think you are also Jesus Christ and hence free of sin.

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2017-12-04 19:27:49 UTC
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The subject line has it correctly.
The FAQ is better:

[quote]

The Cat-Herding Rules and Regulations of alt.atheism and Some Information

All are welcome in the newsgroup, whether they're atheists or not, as long as they are not trolls.
Proselytizing of ANY religion is NOT welcome! (Those guilty of this bad nettiquette will be treated as they deserve!)
This newsgroup exists for atheists to discuss anything of interest to them and other atheists, although others who are honestly interested in joining a discussion and are not trolls are welcome. Trolls will be treated as what they are.

[/quote] -

http://web.archive.org/web/20160314200548/http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:faq

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She admits she is a continual and constant sinner, and that she
certainly is!
Someone please get her to understand the depth of her filth, that
that > condition is more than just religious terminology that she can wipe
off her mouth after whoring with other men.
There are no adulterers in Christ Jesus.
May God bless and protect and heal.
Wake up!

You are a continual and constant sinful state person; corrupt, selfish,
self-centred, self-worshipping, self-righteous as sinners are; a
spiritual adulterer...trying to pretend you have virtue???

Now do you understand this...

"Someone please get her to understand the depth of her filth, that that
condition is more than just religious terminology that she can wipe off
her mouth after whoring with other men".

You don't know what sin is...go and study...and do the hard yards.

You are not going to waste my time, like Patrick and Duke, with the
stubborn defiance of the truth. There will be no more discussion
entered into. You have already been given much more than you deserve.

You have what you have been told, and what you are being shown right now.






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You are not going to waste my time, like Patrick and Duke,
You are the one wasting the group's time:

[quote]

The Cat-Herding Rules and Regulations of alt.atheism and Some Information

All are welcome in the newsgroup, whether they're atheists or not, as long as they are not trolls.
Proselytizing of ANY religion is NOT welcome! (Those guilty of this bad nettiquette will be treated as they deserve!)
This newsgroup exists for atheists to discuss anything of interest to them and other atheists, although others who are honestly interested in joining a discussion and are not trolls are welcome. Trolls will be treated as what they are.

[/quote]

http://web.archive.org/web/20160314200548/http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:faq

Your proselytizing isn't wanted here, nor are your condemnations.

Piss off!

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2017-12-04 19:57:44 UTC
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There are no adulterers in Christ Jesus.
The lady doth protest too much.
Willie s.
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2017-12-04 20:08:09 UTC
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She admits she is a continual and constant sinner, and that she
certainly is!
Someone please get her to understand the depth of her filth, that
that > condition is more than just religious terminology that she can wipe
off her mouth after whoring with other men.
There are no adulterers in Christ Jesus.
May God bless and protect and heal.
Wake up!

You are a continual and constant sinful state person; corrupt, selfish,
self-centred, self-worshipping, self-righteous as sinners are; a
spiritual adulterer...trying to pretend you have virtue???

Now do you understand this...

"Someone please get her to understand the depth of her filth, that that
condition is more than just religious terminology that she can wipe off
her mouth after whoring with other men".

You don't know what sin is...go and study...and do the hard yards.

You are not going to waste my time, like Patrick and Duke, with the
stubborn defiance of the truth. There will be no more discussion
entered into. You have already been given much more than you deserve.

You have what you have been told, and what you are being shown right now.






Michael Christ
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She admits she is a continual and constant sinner,
[quote]

The Cat-Herding Rules and Regulations of alt.atheism and Some Information

All are welcome in the newsgroup, whether they're atheists or not, as long as they are not trolls.
Proselytizing of ANY religion is NOT welcome! (Those guilty of this bad nettiquette will be treated as they deserve!)
This newsgroup exists for atheists to discuss anything of interest to them and other atheists, although others who are honestly interested in joining a discussion and are not trolls are welcome. Trolls will be treated as what they are.

[/quote]

http://web.archive.org/web/20160314200548/http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:faq

Your proselytizing isn't wanted here, nor are your condemnations.

Piss off!

Kevin R
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2017-12-04 18:12:37 UTC
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Yet people do, especially those with a belief in a god.
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Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
But there is ample evidence that people can be good parents because people from all walks of life and all income levels have done so. There are many helpful resources that are not based on faith or ignorance but on history.
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Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
It is precisely because of what we don't know that people search for answers and in so doing obtain evidence. It is when they stop looking or are told there is no reason to search for answers outside of faith that the real problems start.
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real problems start.
By anyone listening to you in the first place.
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Yet people do, especially those with a belief in a god.
Post by Michael Christ
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
But there is ample evidence that people can be good parents because people from all walks of life and all income levels have done so. There are many helpful resources that are not based on faith or ignorance but on history.
It seems you are having trouble understanding what 'proof' is, what true
evidence is, what reality is, I might add.

You are trying to justify a lack of 'proof'!

Sorry, you don't get to compromise, Buddy.
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Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
Thank you.
Michael Christ
It is precisely because of what we don't know that people search for answers and in so doing
obtain evidence.
That is called faith and belief, dickhead. Your life is based on faith
and belief, not evidence.
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It is when they stop looking or are told there is no reason to search for answers outside of >faith that the real problems start.
No one is like that, not even for the most orthodox religious believers;
it is not a human condition, a natural state of man. Everyone is always
looking for answers.

You are talking shit. You demand 'proof' from people who live as you
do, with belief and faith. That makes you a bigot and a hypocrite.

Can you provide proof you will live another day??

You ain't got proof, all you got is belief and faith, and you vomit on
others who do also, that don't believe as you do??

Get it now...bigot, hypocrite??




Michael Christ
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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
Well, we have the evidence that you are not a very nice guy.

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I told a young married friend of mine that you can't believe something
without the evidence.
And obviously, this doesn't apply to your pixie?
Post by Michael Christ
Recently this first time father had triplets with his wife so we agreed
that since he did not have the evidence to raise the children as a good
father, he thought, and wisely so, to deliver the children to the local
orphanage for a proper upbringing.
Same like in your case?
But, why did his business anything to do with a moron?
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Obviously this path is the only true path open to him if he wanted to be
a honest atheist, and not be one of those superficial contradictory
bullshitting ones.
No atheist was your buddy, don't make things up....to satisfy yourself!
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Thank you.
Michael Christ
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