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College a joke?
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Amazing Answers
2018-04-05 08:04:47 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Yap Honghor
2018-04-05 08:28:32 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Ya, I understand you get your fake degree from your home schooled tuition.
And your degree is Grade 1 only....which has changed a normal human brain into a donkey brain.
He Kicked Their Jewish Butts Out Of The Land
2018-04-05 15:42:20 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Capitalism, Utilitarianism, Profiteerism all make joke off college. It's about what is popular and marketable and not about what's TRUE....
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2018-04-05 16:41:23 UTC
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Capitalism, Utilitarianism, Profiteerism all make joke off college. It's about what is popular and marketable and not about what's TRUE....
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Oh, you mean college is like the Bible.
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2018-04-10 01:24:37 UTC
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Capitalism, Utilitarianism, Profiteerism all make joke off college. It's about what is popular and marketable and not about what's TRUE....
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Oh, you mean college is like the Bible.
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2018-04-05 20:10:37 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
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2018-04-05 22:11:55 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
j***@gmail.com
2018-04-05 22:23:16 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
If college is worthless, then you might try buying a laptop designed by high school dropouts.
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2018-04-05 22:36:56 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
If college is worthless, then you might try buying a laptop designed by high school dropouts.
So would Windows be not such a piece of crap if Gates had
finished at Harvard?

Kevin R
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2018-04-05 23:19:51 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees
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. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was
denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of
material=
and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even
have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money.
It's nice =
paper though.
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Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
Why are you so prejudice??????????????
Yap Honghor
2018-04-05 23:26:47 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees
came up=
. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was
denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of
material=
and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even
have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money.
It's nice =
paper though.
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
Why are you so prejudice??????????????
Donkey like him is always prejudiced.
Gospel TT
2018-04-06 01:34:01 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees
came up=
. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was
denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of
material=
and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even
have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit
money.
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It's nice =
paper though.
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
Why are you so prejudice??????????????
Donkey like him is always prejudiced.
He's a fake Christian liar.
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2018-04-06 01:44:14 UTC
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Some acquaintance  and I were chatting and the topic of
degrees
Post by Gospel TT
came up=
.  He had a degree.  He said, "you know how it was."  He was >
denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount
of
Post by Gospel TT
material=
  and ground that is covered.  I look at the paper that I don't
even
Post by Gospel TT
have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit
money.
Post by Gospel TT
It's nice =
paper though.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
Why are you so prejudice??????????????
Donkey like him is always prejudiced.
He's a fake Christian liar.
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2018-04-06 01:44:17 UTC
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Some acquaintance  and I were chatting and the topic of
degrees
Post by Gospel TT
came up=
.  He had a degree.  He said, "you know how it was."  He was >
denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount
of
Post by Gospel TT
material=
  and ground that is covered.  I look at the paper that I don't
even
Post by Gospel TT
have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit
money.
Post by Gospel TT
It's nice =
paper though.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
Why are you so prejudice??????????????
Donkey like him is always prejudiced.
He's a fake Christian liar.
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Post by Gospel TT
Some acquaintance  and I were chatting and the topic of
degrees
Post by Gospel TT
came up=
.  He had a degree.  He said, "you know how it was."  He was >
denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount
of
Post by Gospel TT
material=
  and ground that is covered.  I look at the paper that I don't
even
Post by Gospel TT
have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit
money.
Post by Gospel TT
It's nice =
paper though.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
Why are you so prejudice??????????????
Donkey like him is always prejudiced.
He's a fake Christian liar.
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2018-04-06 17:23:49 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
The best two doctors I've ever had were both women and both Asian Indian.
One saved my life. Just by asking the right questions she suspected I had
a heart problem and sent me to a cardiologist who immediately arranged to
send me to Einstein Hospital for a heart operation. I now have an aortic
valve which replaced my aorta which had completely calcified. I was told
that without this operation, I would have died within three months, since
my aorta only has two leaves, rather than the three it should have.

I would hire a surgeon who had a college degree and graduated from medical school. Why do you ask such stupid plus bigoted questions?
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2018-04-06 18:27:05 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
The best two doctors I've ever had were both women and both Asian Indian.
One saved my life. Just by asking the right questions she suspected I had
a heart problem and sent me to a cardiologist who immediately arranged to
send me to Einstein Hospital for a heart operation. I now have an aortic
valve which replaced my aorta which had completely calcified. I was told
that without this operation, I would have died within three months, since
my aorta only has two leaves, rather than the three it should have.
I would hire a surgeon who had a college degree and graduated from medical school. Why do you ask such stupid plus bigoted questions?
why would you care if you died ,
you aren't going anywhere anyway
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2018-04-07 00:51:49 UTC
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
The best two doctors I've ever had were both women and both Asian Indian.
One saved my life. Just by asking the right questions she suspected I had
a heart problem and sent me to a cardiologist who immediately arranged to
send me to Einstein Hospital for a heart operation. I now have an aortic
valve which replaced my aorta which had completely calcified. I was told
that without this operation, I would have died within three months, since
my aorta only has two leaves, rather than the three it should have.
I would hire a surgeon who had a college degree and graduated from medical school. Why do you ask such stupid plus bigoted questions?
They're putting calcium on food as a preservative. I wonder if they put it on the head of lettuce that sat on the shelf for a month and didn't rot.

Heart related problems are sometimes related to milk products. I was eating ice cream every night and noticed that I started feeling a strange pressure drop feeling in my chest. I quit eating ice cream cold turkey and it stopped. In Africa milk is considered the white man's poison. Dairy is not such a great thing. So now you're talking about an calcified aortic valve and I suggest looking at the calcium in your diet -seen and unseen.
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
The best two doctors I've ever had were both women and both Asian Indian.
You don't even have a pet let alone a doctor....
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One saved my life. Just by asking the right questions she suspected I had
a heart problem and sent me to a cardiologist who immediately arranged to
send me to Einstein Hospital for a heart operation. I now have an aortic
valve which replaced my aorta which had completely calcified. I was told
that without this operation, I would have died within three months, since
my aorta only has two leaves, rather than the three it should have.
I would hire a surgeon who had a college degree and graduated from medical school. Why do you ask such stupid plus bigoted questions?
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Would you hire a surgeon who did have a college degree?
Like some Indian dude?
The best two doctors I've ever had were both women and both Asian Indian.
You don't even have a pet let alone a doctor....
If she went to a doctor, he'd refer her to a veterinarian.
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
I think college serves a useful purpose:

It keeps semi-adults off the streets and distracted.

It proves to employers that these people can take a lot of stupidity
and abuse without flinching.

It proves to employers that they can kiss ass and get along to go
along.

And while almost all colleges are a big waste of time, and a huge
waste of money, there are several that are actually centers for
innovation and experimentation. Alas, most colleges just make drones
that can speak a little better than a politician, and have similar
ethics and morals.

An improvement would be a college that was run more like an advanced
trade school. You're not turning out auto-mechanics, but you could be
turning out lab technicians that can think for themselves, and
engineers that aren't afraid to get their hands dirty and might be
able to run a lathe or milling machine.

But we are all adults here. ASK YOURSELF! what did you learn in
school that was actually useful in your career and in your life?
Cloud Hobbit
2018-04-05 21:10:52 UTC
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The thing about education is that the benefits are not always obvious.

We learn math not so much for being able to work out the problem but also because learning it causes our brains to be able to think in ways it couldn't before.

Sure there are things we learn that have less value than others but they help us to realize HOW to think, how to approach a problem and sometimes just to help us be better people.

We learn history to hopefully learn from our mistakes.

Some fields require lots of practice and memorization, such as law.

The message may not always be obvious but they do tend to make us better people.

YMMV
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The thing about education is that the benefits are not always obvious.
We learn math not so much for being able to work out the problem but also because learning it causes our brains to be able to think in ways it couldn't before.
Sure there are things we learn that have less value than others but they help us to realize HOW to think, how to approach a problem and sometimes just to help us be better people.
We learn history to hopefully learn from our mistakes.
Some fields require lots of practice and memorization, such as law.
The message may not always be obvious but they do tend to make us better people.
YMMV
i'm great either way
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The thing about education is that the benefits are not always obvious.
We learn math not so much for being able to work out the problem but also because learning it causes our brains to be able to think in ways it couldn't before.
Sure there are things we learn that have less value than others but they help us to realize HOW to think, how to approach a problem and sometimes just to help us be better people.
We learn history to hopefully learn from our mistakes.
Some fields require lots of practice and memorization, such as law.
The message may not always be obvious but they do tend to make us better people.
YMMV
Colleges are good for dispensing facts. Learning to think is harder
to teach.

But learning is the active role. Teaching is wasted if there's no
desire to learn; that takes curiosity, something grammar schools and
high schools don't often encourage and nurture.

As an engineer I can honestly say that taking "shop" in high school
would have been better than a curriculum of "college prep." Typing
turned out to be very useful (who knew?) Mechanical drawing might
have been useful too, there's nothing so satisfying as handing over a
drawing and having what you want made right and no questions asked.
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2018-04-06 17:50:36 UTC
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The thing about education is that the benefits are not always obvious.
We learn math not so much for being able to work out the problem but also because learning it causes our brains to be able to think in ways it couldn't before.
Sure there are things we learn that have less value than others but they help us to realize HOW to think, how to approach a problem and sometimes just to help us be better people.
We learn history to hopefully learn from our mistakes.
Some fields require lots of practice and memorization, such as law.
The message may not always be obvious but they do tend to make us better people.
YMMV
Colleges are good for dispensing facts. Learning to think is harder
to teach.
But learning is the active role. Teaching is wasted if there's no
desire to learn; that takes curiosity, something grammar schools and
high schools don't often encourage and nurture.
As an engineer I can honestly say that taking "shop" in high school
would have been better than a curriculum of "college prep." Typing
turned out to be very useful (who knew?) Mechanical drawing might
have been useful too, there's nothing so satisfying as handing over a
drawing and having what you want made right and no questions asked.
My "college prep" high school - we didn't even have a wood or
metal shop, let alone classes in those - did offer mechanical drawing
precisely for students who were interested in taking engineering
in college, or wanted to be architects, or any kind of designer.

What would one do, nowadays, teach drawing, or teach how to use
some sort of software [CAD/CAM or a "cousin"?} or both?

Under the rubric, "learn how to use a slide rule AND a calculator"
that was popular when modern tech was starting to nose its way
into classrooms, "learn both" would have been encouraged.

One of my former co-workers was on staff as a part-timer at
my job, but days he was teaching math at a local Catholic high
school, where almost all students would be going on to college.
He was wondering if it was OK to let students use calculators
in the tests he was giving, or if it would be harmful to their
development for them to rely on them too much.

I either read this idea somewhere else, or dreamed it up:
I told him to make up a "driver's test" for the functions on
the calculator he wanted them to know how to do with paper and
pencil. Those who passed would be able to use the electronic
tools. Those who failed would be coached up until they could pass.

He told me that it worked fine. The kids understood that they had
to know what the calculator was doing, and what kind of answers
would, for example, be out of range, so they could recheck their
inputs and avoid the GIGO problem.

I imagine one benefit of taking shop would be, even if you
never built anything yourself, you might be able to converse
with a tradesman whose services you needed to hire without
being totally clueless?

Kevin R
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Colleges are good for dispensing facts. Learning to think is harder
to teach.
But learning is the active role. Teaching is wasted if there's no
desire to learn; that takes curiosity, something grammar schools and
high schools don't often encourage and nurture.
As an engineer I can honestly say that taking "shop" in high school
would have been better than a curriculum of "college prep." Typing
turned out to be very useful (who knew?) Mechanical drawing might
have been useful too, there's nothing so satisfying as handing over a
drawing and having what you want made right and no questions asked.
My "college prep" high school - we didn't even have a wood or
metal shop, let alone classes in those - did offer mechanical drawing
precisely for students who were interested in taking engineering
in college, or wanted to be architects, or any kind of designer.
What would one do, nowadays, teach drawing, or teach how to use
some sort of software [CAD/CAM or a "cousin"?} or both?
Probably neither.

And if there were such a class, I suspect it would involve teaching the
software to produce CAD printouts.

A friend of mine was trained as a technical draughtsman and spent quite
a few years producing the most beautiful and technically accurate plans
for watch movements. Then he switched careers and became a watch
dealer, because there simply wasn't any work for him anymore. Any
pimply kid with access to a computer could churn out many such plans in
a fraction of the time it took a draughtsman to do so by hand.
Post by Kevrob
Under the rubric, "learn how to use a slide rule AND a calculator"
that was popular when modern tech was starting to nose its way
into classrooms, "learn both" would have been encouraged.
It takes an interested and committed teacher (also brave, to teach such
a thing in the face of modern school curricula) to do such a thing
nowadays, and to do so successfully. 100/100 of his kids will have more
computing power on their smartphone and will quite simply not see the
use or need to learn how to use a sliderule when they can just tap tap
tap away on their phones and get the result that much quicker.
Post by Kevrob
One of my former co-workers was on staff as a part-timer at
my job, but days he was teaching math at a local Catholic high
school, where almost all students would be going on to college.
He was wondering if it was OK to let students use calculators
in the tests he was giving, or if it would be harmful to their
development for them to rely on them too much.
I told him to make up a "driver's test" for the functions on
the calculator he wanted them to know how to do with paper and
pencil. Those who passed would be able to use the electronic
tools. Those who failed would be coached up until they could pass.
He told me that it worked fine. The kids understood that they had
to know what the calculator was doing, and what kind of answers
would, for example, be out of range, so they could recheck their
inputs and avoid the GIGO problem.
I don't think GIGO is an issue educators (and many employers,
particularly in the public sector) waste much sleep over. If it's in
the computer and up on their screens, it MUST be right.

Most people these days have some degree of healthy scepticism regarding
magic, witch-craft or religion ... but they have transferred their blind
worship to the computer.
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The thing about education is that the benefits are not always obvious.
We learn math not so much for being able to work out the problem but also because learning it causes our brains to be able to think in ways it couldn't before.
Sure there are things we learn that have less value than others but they help us to realize HOW to think, how to approach a problem and sometimes just to help us be better people.
We learn history to hopefully learn from our mistakes.
Some fields require lots of practice and memorization, such as law.
The message may not always be obvious but they do tend to make us better people.
YMMV
Colleges are good for dispensing facts. Learning to think is harder
to teach.
But learning is the active role. Teaching is wasted if there's no
desire to learn; that takes curiosity, something grammar schools and
high schools don't often encourage and nurture.
As an engineer I can honestly say that taking "shop" in high school
would have been better than a curriculum of "college prep." Typing
turned out to be very useful (who knew?) Mechanical drawing might
have been useful too, there's nothing so satisfying as handing over a
drawing and having what you want made right and no questions asked.
My "college prep" high school - we didn't even have a wood or
metal shop, let alone classes in those - did offer mechanical drawing
precisely for students who were interested in taking engineering
in college, or wanted to be architects, or any kind of designer.
What would one do, nowadays, teach drawing, or teach how to use
some sort of software [CAD/CAM or a "cousin"?} or both?
That shits fun!

My first (personal $2K) computer came with Word Perfect and while not
a drawing program per se, had a drawing module in it that was asking
to be played with. I started making a schematic of a surplus module I
bought to tinker with and was bored out of my skull doing it.

So I decided to have fun (if it ain't fun why are you doing it?
philosophy). I copied a square-rigger from a greeting card, and that
took me all day. But the next day I was really starting to have fun
with it. I went through a boat period (sloops schooners ketches
paddle wheelers), then aircraft (fighters, helos, biplanes) then
engines with cutaways showing internal parts, and boats and engines,
and finally steam locomotives, and was getting more creative with 3D
views and perspective etc..

That was a hell of a lot of fun for about 2 months. Now I have Corell
Draw with WP-N and can make stuff out of dimensional lumber on paper,
drawn to scale, and see how it will look long before I buy the first
stick of wood. When I build it, there's no waste, and I'm just on
cruise control watching my hands do the work looking at the drawings
now and then, with my mind free to ruminate.

I did eventually make the schematic. Then a month later found a
"schematic capture" drawing program that "rubber bands" so every time
you move a section of drawing the "wires" stay connected (you don't
gotta re-draw whole segments) Now I'm hooked on that technology.
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Under the rubric, "learn how to use a slide rule AND a calculator"
that was popular when modern tech was starting to nose its way
into classrooms, "learn both" would have been encouraged.
One of my former co-workers was on staff as a part-timer at
my job, but days he was teaching math at a local Catholic high
school, where almost all students would be going on to college.
He was wondering if it was OK to let students use calculators
in the tests he was giving, or if it would be harmful to their
development for them to rely on them too much.
I told him to make up a "driver's test" for the functions on
the calculator he wanted them to know how to do with paper and
pencil. Those who passed would be able to use the electronic
tools. Those who failed would be coached up until they could pass.
He told me that it worked fine. The kids understood that they had
to know what the calculator was doing, and what kind of answers
would, for example, be out of range, so they could recheck their
inputs and avoid the GIGO problem.
I imagine one benefit of taking shop would be, even if you
never built anything yourself, you might be able to converse
with a tradesman whose services you needed to hire without
being totally clueless?
Kevin R
If you have to think about, and do it, you learn a lot better than
listening to someone tell you about it.

In the Navy electronics school (one of the advanced modules with 12 in
a class) the instructor had a problem with me. I'd be sleeping in
class, but not really totally asleep, he'd try to surprise me by
calling on me, but it was like I had a tape recorder, I wasn't really
paying attention, but could play back his last statement and conjure
up some kind of answer. This infuriated him. Then when I asked a
question he thought I was "sharp-shooting" (trying to put him on the
spot) Anyway he got pissed off, told me if I was so smart maybe I
should teach the class, and stormed out. Five minutes went by.. no
instructor, ten, ditto. So I got the book read it, and started in
teaching. A half hour later he comes back in and sits down watching
me. The next day he invited me to teach - and by then I'd read ahead
and really understood what they were about.

I aced the test, and the other guys just nudged past the average (for
that module) a few points higher. (that's what really had me worried
- OK to screw around with this for my entertainment, but a whole
different thing to think I was fucking with someone else's career.)

The interesting thing to me is that was the only test I ever "aced"
all through electronics school. (electronics was a hobby since I was
five, so I had a big head start) The class was called "synchros,
selsyns and servos" - WW2 technology to compute numbers electro
mechanically, and produce a signal that could be used to control the
"amplydynes" or hydraulics used to train the guns on ships. (takes
into consideration aim-point, powder charge, temperature, air density,
roll pitch, and yaw of the ship etc. but that's another specialty in
the Navy "Fire Control Technician" I was a Communications Technician -
ET with a security clearance)

I learned on the slide rule - and I think that gave me a unique
outlook. For years after I could attend meetings where I worked and
when they were bandying numbers about (usually about cost/benefit) I'd
automatically start keeping track of it in my head the way you would
for a slide rule, three places, one number is proportionate to
another, without resorting to paper, and they'd reach a point where
want to make a decision and I'd blurt out the various numbers and math
answers I was tracking, while some geek in the department would be
busily scribbling away on paper with a calculator only to find my
numbers within a few percent of exact.

Then the first calculators weren't very useful, you could still get a
square root from a slide rule when there wasn't a key for one on the
calculator. That and reciprocals...

We'd have these calculations for power transformers where you'd start
with your best guess, based on the manufacturer's specifications for
iron in the core, calculate it over again and again as you'd get
closer to a final optimal turns ratio, resistance, wire size, etc..
Today that is child's play with a spread sheet and computer. In fact
with computers, today's engineers can pretty much plug in the numbers
and let the computer tell them what to do, with no hands-on
appreciation (and probably much less satisfaction) for what they've
done.

It sort of rips the soul out if life, if you will excuse the
liturgical reference.
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I learned on the slide rule - and I think that gave me a unique
outlook. For years after I could attend meetings where I worked and
when they were bandying numbers about (usually about cost/benefit) I'd
automatically start keeping track of it in my head the way you would
for a slide rule, three places, one number is proportionate to
another, without resorting to paper, and they'd reach a point where
want to make a decision and I'd blurt out the various numbers and math
answers I was tracking, while some geek in the department would be
busily scribbling away on paper with a calculator only to find my
numbers within a few percent of exact.
Ever read Heinlein's story, "Misfit," or any others in his "future
history" series featuring "Slipstick" Libby?

Kevin R
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Ever read Heinlein's story, "Misfit," or any others in his "future
history" series featuring "Slipstick" Libby?
No, can't say I have. I did read a lot of Heinlein in the 50-60's.
These days science fiction doesn't really appeal to me, even if I like
his style and social commentary.

I just downloaded 87 books by Heinlein and "Misfit" is one so I'll
check it out. I have read "The Cat Who Walked Through Walls," which
may be in the series.
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The thing about education is that the benefits are not always obvious.
We learn math not so much for being able to work out the problem but also because learning it causes our brains to be able to think in ways it couldn't before.
Sure there are things we learn that have less value than others but they help us to realize HOW to think, how to approach a problem and sometimes just to help us be better people.
We learn history to hopefully learn from our mistakes.
Some fields require lots of practice and memorization, such as law.
The message may not always be obvious but they do tend to make us better people.
YMMV
Colleges are good for dispensing facts. Learning to think is harder
to teach.
But learning is the active role. Teaching is wasted if there's no
desire to learn; that takes curiosity, something grammar schools and
high schools don't often encourage and nurture.
As an engineer I can honestly say that taking "shop" in high school
would have been better than a curriculum of "college prep." Typing
turned out to be very useful (who knew?) Mechanical drawing might
have been useful too, there's nothing so satisfying as handing over a
drawing and having what you want made right and no questions asked.
And some things work both ways. During a low point in my finances, I
was doing substitute teaching in middle and high schools in Washington
State. I got a call to fill in for two weeks for an auto shop teacher
who had had a heart attack.

On the first day I walked in to face 12 rather scruffy-looking
individuals (7 basic and 5 advanced); I introduced myself and said, "I
am an English major: I don't know squat about cars, but I get to
"teach" you guys for the next couple of weeks. Now, what I will be
doing, apart from taking roll and whatnot, is wandering around and
asking you what you are doing and why you are doing it. I expect to
learn something here."

It was a fun two weeks. I did learn stuff--one of the guys showed me
how to arc weld and braze. Their explanations of what they were up to
got better and better. Unfortunately, the regular teacher survived,
so I was out of that gig.

For the next two years I ran into those guys in stores, cafes or
whatever, and several of them told me that they had learned more from
me than from Mr. Whosit, the guy who actually knew auto mechanics.

Of course they did--they were teaching me, and teachers always learn
more from students than the students do from them.
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
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Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
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The thing about education is that the benefits are not always obvious.
We learn math not so much for being able to work out the problem but also because learning it causes our brains to be able to think in ways it couldn't before.
Sure there are things we learn that have less value than others but they help us to realize HOW to think, how to approach a problem and sometimes just to help us be better people.
We learn history to hopefully learn from our mistakes.
Some fields require lots of practice and memorization, such as law.
The message may not always be obvious but they do tend to make us better people.
YMMV
Colleges are good for dispensing facts. Learning to think is harder
to teach.
But learning is the active role. Teaching is wasted if there's no
desire to learn; that takes curiosity, something grammar schools and
high schools don't often encourage and nurture.
As an engineer I can honestly say that taking "shop" in high school
would have been better than a curriculum of "college prep." Typing
turned out to be very useful (who knew?) Mechanical drawing might
have been useful too, there's nothing so satisfying as handing over a
drawing and having what you want made right and no questions asked.
And some things work both ways. During a low point in my finances, I
was doing substitute teaching in middle and high schools in Washington
State. I got a call to fill in for two weeks for an auto shop teacher
who had had a heart attack.
On the first day I walked in to face 12 rather scruffy-looking
individuals (7 basic and 5 advanced); I introduced myself and said, "I
am an English major: I don't know squat about cars, but I get to
"teach" you guys for the next couple of weeks. Now, what I will be
doing, apart from taking roll and whatnot, is wandering around and
asking you what you are doing and why you are doing it. I expect to
learn something here."
It was a fun two weeks. I did learn stuff--one of the guys showed me
how to arc weld and braze. Their explanations of what they were up to
got better and better. Unfortunately, the regular teacher survived,
so I was out of that gig.
For the next two years I ran into those guys in stores, cafes or
whatever, and several of them told me that they had learned more from
me than from Mr. Whosit, the guy who actually knew auto mechanics.
Of course they did--they were teaching me, and teachers always learn
more from students than the students do from them.
Stimulate curiosity and learning takes place.

Adults have a strange way of thinking that they know what is best for
children, then try to push them through the same extrusion die that
they were dumped with.
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The thing about education is that the benefits are not always obvious.
We learn math not so much for being able to work out the problem but also because learning it causes our brains to be able to think in ways it couldn't before.
Sure there are things we learn that have less value than others but they help us to realize HOW to think, how to approach a problem and sometimes just to help us be better people.
We learn history to hopefully learn from our mistakes.
Some fields require lots of practice and memorization, such as law.
The message may not always be obvious but they do tend to make us better people.
YMMV
One of those not-so-obvious benefits of education can be
seen right here on a.a. If you know a little bit about
the natural world, you can see right through kooks like
aaa, duke and AmazingAss7.

What's really amazing is the correlation between
education and atheism.
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The thing about education is that the benefits are not always obvious.
We learn math not so much for being able to work out the problem but also because learning it causes our brains to be able to think in ways it couldn't before.
Sure there are things we learn that have less value than others but they help us to realize HOW to think, how to approach a problem and sometimes just to help us be better people.
We learn history to hopefully learn from our mistakes.
Some fields require lots of practice and memorization, such as law.
The message may not always be obvious but they do tend to make us better people.
YMMV
It's obvious to me that you are incapable of learning anything.
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The thing about education is that the benefits are not always obvious.
We learn math not so much for being able to work out the problem
but also because learning it causes our brains to be able to think in
ways it couldn't before.
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Sure there are things we learn that have less value than others
but they help us to realize HOW to think, how to approach a problem
and sometimes just to help us be better people.
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We learn history to hopefully learn from our mistakes.
Some fields require lots of practice and memorization, such as law.
The message may not always be obvious but they do tend to make us better people.
YMMV
It's obvious to me that you are incapable of learning anything.
He's lot's smarter then you & so am I lol.
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It's obvious to me that you are incapable of learning anything.
_______________

It's obvious to everyone here that you are a nasty, lying, lazy sack of shit who can't be bothered to check the stuff you link to as "evidence."

Your lack of intelligence and your lies and hysterical rants do nothing to convince anybody of anything you say.
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
It might have turned out better for you if you hadn't taken your bong to class every day.
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
I know my college degree in Accounting/Economics/Finance(Double Major) is a good thing to have, but I could have taken another path.
The truth is I hate going to school. I hate sitting in a classroom and I hate studying for exams. I much prefer learning by doing in the real world.

If I had it to do over again, I'd join the Navy right after high school.
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
I know my college degree in Accounting/Economics/Finance(Double Major) is a good thing to have, but I could have taken another path.
The truth is I hate going to school. I hate sitting in a classroom and I hate studying for exams. I much prefer learning by doing in the real world.
If I had it to do over again, I'd join the Navy right after high school.
Is this last sentence your admission that you have never served in the Navy???
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
I know my college degree in Accounting/Economics/Finance(Double Major) is a good thing to have, but I could have taken another path.
The truth is I hate going to school. I hate sitting in a classroom and I hate studying for exams. I much prefer learning by doing in the real world.
If I had it to do over again, I'd join the Navy right after high school.
Is this last sentence your admission that you have never served in the Navy???
Balshoye spasiba(many thanks) You just proved that atheists can't read.
I've been saying that for years.
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
I know my college degree in Accounting/Economics/Finance(Double Major) is a good thing to have, but I could have taken another path.
The truth is I hate going to school. I hate sitting in a classroom and I hate studying for exams. I much prefer learning by doing in the real world.
If I had it to do over again, I'd join the Navy right after high school.
Is this last sentence your admission that you have never served in the Navy???
Balshoye spasiba(many thanks) You just proved that atheists can't read.
I've been saying that for years.
Me can't read...?
Just re-read the last sentence of your own post. If you had already joined the Navy, why would you say that?
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te studying for exams. I much prefer learning by doing in the real
world.
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If I had it to do over again, I'd join the Navy right after high school.
I have a doctor degree.
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came up. =
 He had a degree.  He said, "you know how it was."  He was
denigrating the =
worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of
material a=
nd ground that is covered.  I look at the paper that I don't even
have hang=
ing on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's
nice pa=
per though.
I know my college degree in Accounting/Economics/Finance(Double
Major) is a=
 good thing to have, but I could have taken another path.
The truth is I hate going to school. I hate sitting in a classroom
and I ha=
te studying for exams. I much prefer learning by doing in the real
world.
If I had it to do over again, I'd join the Navy right after high
school.
I have a doctor degree.
i bet you do , a Ph.d in big mouth
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On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 1:04:50 AM UTC-7, Amazing Answers
Some acquaintance  and I were chatting and the topic of degrees
came up. =
 He had a degree.  He said, "you know how it was."  He was
denigrating the =
worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of
material a=
nd ground that is covered.  I look at the paper that I don't even
have hang=
ing on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's
nice pa=
per though.
I know my college degree in Accounting/Economics/Finance(Double
Major) is a=
 good thing to have, but I could have taken another path.
The truth is I hate going to school. I hate sitting in a classroom
and I ha=
te studying for exams. I much prefer learning by doing in the real
world.
If I had it to do over again, I'd join the Navy right after high
school.
I have a doctor degree.
i bet you do , a Ph.d in big mouth
...... with a minor in stupidity.
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees
came up. > >> He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was
denigrating the > >> worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of
material a> >> nd ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even
have hang> >> ing on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's
nice pa> >> per though.
I know my college degree in Accounting/Economics/Finance(Double
Major) is a> >> good thing to have, but I could have taken another path.
The truth is I hate going to school. I hate sitting in a classroom
and I ha> >> te studying for exams. I much prefer learning by doing in the real
world.
If I had it to do over again, I'd join the Navy right after high
school.
I have a doctor degree.
i bet you do , a Ph.d in big mouth
...... with a minor in stupidity.
You should be calling him Dr. TT.
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te studying for exams. I much prefer learning by doing in the real
world.
If I had it to do over again, I'd join the Navy right after high
school.
I have a doctor degree.
i bet you do , a Ph.d in big mouth
...... with a minor in stupidity.
Your jealous lol
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
Degree in what?
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came
up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating
the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of
material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't
even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit
money. It's nice paper though.
Degree in what?
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
What paper did you get as a college drop out?
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
What paper did you get as a college drop out?
Why do you keep saying that?
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Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees came up. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was denigrating the worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of material and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even have hanging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. It's nice paper though.
What paper did you get as a college drop out?
Why do you keep saying that?
Because it's probably true. You stopped mentioning college after your
first year and never mentioned graduating. And the only course you ever mentioned was Psych 101. You did hint at not liking your science class.
No surprise there. You also posted a lot more after your first year.
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paper though.
Some degrees are worth a lot.
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Some acquaintance  and I were chatting and the topic of degrees
came up=
.  He had a degree.  He said, "you know how it was."  He was
denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of
material=
 and ground that is covered.  I look at the paper that I don't even
have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money.
It's nice =
paper though.
Some degrees are worth a lot.
mine completed my life in some ways
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 09:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Amazing Answers >
Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees > came up=
. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was > denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of > material=
and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even > have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. > It's nice =
paper though.
Some degrees are worth a lot.
mine completed my life in some ways
How so?
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 09:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Amazing Answers >
Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees > came up=
. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was > denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of > material=
and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even > have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. > It's nice =
paper though.
Some degrees are worth a lot.
mine completed my life in some ways
How so?
He got a masters degree in fluffology. Now he gets to work with his hands.
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 09:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Amazing Answers >
Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees > came up=
. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was > denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of > material=
and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even > have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. > It's nice =
paper though.
Some degrees are worth a lot.
mine completed my life in some ways
How so?
He got a masters degree in fluffology. Now he gets to work with his hands.
it got me a government job that pays lots of money for doing nothing
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 09:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Amazing Answers >
Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees > came up=
. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was > denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of > material=
and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even > have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. > It's nice =
paper though.
Some degrees are worth a lot.
mine completed my life in some ways
How so?
He got a masters degree in fluffology. Now he gets to work with his hands.
it got me a government job that pays lots of money for doing nothing
You mean welfare, lol!
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 09:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Amazing Answers >
Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees > came up=
. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was > denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of > material=
and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even > have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. > It's nice =
paper though.
Some degrees are worth a lot.
mine completed my life in some ways
How so?
He got a masters degree in fluffology. Now he gets to work with his hands.
it got me a government job that pays lots of money for doing nothing
That's better than them paying you to do something.
That could cause all kinds of trouble.
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You mean welfare, lol!
People on welfare do things. Some even work, "off the books."
Only the true bureaucrat takes his pay and _DOES_NOTHING_.

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On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 09:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Amazing Answers >
Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees > came up=
. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was > denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of > material=
and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even > have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. > It's nice =
paper though.
Some degrees are worth a lot.
mine completed my life in some ways
How so?
He got a masters degree in fluffology. Now he gets to work with his hands.
it got me a government job that pays lots of money for doing nothing
That's better than them paying you to do something.
That could cause all kinds of trouble.
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You mean welfare, lol!
People on welfare do things. Some even work, "off the books."
Only the true bureaucrat takes his pay and _DOES_NOTHING_.
Kevin R
Good point.
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 09:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Amazing Answers >
Some acquaintance and I were chatting and the topic of degrees > came up=
. He had a degree. He said, "you know how it was." He was > denigrating th=
e worth of the degree. He was right. He commented on the amount of > material=
and ground that is covered. I look at the paper that I don't even > have ha=
nging on the wall and think, that's just like counterfeit money. > It's nice =
paper though.
Some degrees are worth a lot.
mine completed my life in some ways
How so?
He got a masters degree in fluffology. Now he gets to work with his hands.
it got me a government job that pays lots of money for doing nothing
That's better than them paying you to do something.
That could cause all kinds of trouble.
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You mean welfare, lol!
People on welfare do things. Some even work, "off the books."
Only the true bureaucrat takes his pay and _DOES_NOTHING_.
Kevin R
Good point.
so then you were wrong tooth paste face you were wrong and you admit it
so i win
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
What degree do you have?
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
What degree do you have?
What difference does it make?
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
What degree do you have?
What difference does it make?
You couldn't be that stupid. NOBODY is that stupid.
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
What degree do you have?
What difference does it make?
You couldn't be that stupid. NOBODY is that stupid.
I have more degrees than you. Does it still make a difference?
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
What degree do you have?
What difference does it make?
You couldn't be that stupid. NOBODY is that stupid.
I have more degrees than you. Does it still make a difference?
You don't pray and that's a difference.
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
What degree do you have?
What difference does it make?
You couldn't be that stupid. NOBODY is that stupid.
I have more degrees than you. Does it still make a difference?
You don't pray and that's a difference.
Ya, donkey cannot have a degree, so therefore it prays.
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
What degree do you have?
What difference does it make?
You couldn't be that stupid. NOBODY is that stupid.
I have more degrees than you. Does it still make a difference?
You don't pray and that's a difference.
Not the point, you braindead little asshole.
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
What degree do you have?
What difference does it make?
You couldn't be that stupid. NOBODY is that stupid.
I have more degrees than you. Does it still make a difference?
You don't pray and that's a difference.
Not the point, you braindead little asshole.
LOL! The only point he gets is on his head.
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
What degree do you have?
What difference does it make?
You couldn't be that stupid. NOBODY is that stupid.
I have more degrees than you. Does it still make a difference?
You don't pray and that's a difference.
Not the point, you braindead little asshole.
LOL! The only point he gets is on his head.
LOL true.
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
What degree do you have?
What difference does it make?
You couldn't be that stupid. NOBODY is that stupid.
I have more degrees than you. Does it still make a difference?
You don't pray and that's a difference.
Not the point, you braindead little asshole.
What's your point, then?
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
What degree do you have?
What difference does it make?
You couldn't be that stupid. NOBODY is that stupid.
I have more degrees than you. Does it still make a difference?
You don't pray and that's a difference.
Not the point, you braindead little asshole.
What's your point, then?
Okay, since you obviously can't read, ArtyJoe disagreed with me that
whether or not Davej has a degree is irrelevant to the validity of his
opinion on the worth of divinity degrees. But if it were relevant, then my
opinion would be more valid than ArtyJoe's because I have more degrees than
he has.

That's the point. And, btw, it's the reason pussy ArtyJoe ran away from the
thread. Because he's at least literate enough to follow an argument, unlike
you.
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
What degree do you have?
What difference does it make?
You couldn't be that stupid. NOBODY is that stupid.
I have more degrees than you. Does it still make a difference?
You don't pray and that's a difference.
Not the point, you braindead little asshole.
What's your point, then?
The point is, one needs not show his degree since his posts and communication skill will indicate his level of education and knowledge!

We also know that prayers are religious bullshit which is beyond your donkey's capability to understand.
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...He was denigrating the worth of the degree...
Anything is worth more than a Divinity degree.
:-) So says an atheist, a pagan, a naturalist and friend of Satan....
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[...] He was denigrating the worth of the degree.
The MOST important thing one learns at school is
to be able to show up on time for classes.

This skill enables one to show up for work on time,
and hold down jobs long enough to build up the funds
required to retire into a lifestyle of fruitful
discussion with strangers on the Internet.
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[...] He was denigrating the worth of the degree.
The MOST important thing one learns at school is to be able to show up
on time for classes.
This skill enables one to show up for work on time,
and hold down jobs long enough to build up the funds required to retire
into a lifestyle of fruitful discussion with strangers on the Internet.
Discussion with Amazing Evasions is far from fruitful.
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All gods are tailored to order. They're made
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[...] He was denigrating the worth of the degree.
The MOST important thing one learns at school is to be able to show up
on time for classes.
This skill enables one to show up for work on time,
and hold down jobs long enough to build up the funds required to retire
into a lifestyle of fruitful discussion with strangers on the Internet.
Discussion with Amazing Evasions is far from fruitful.
It's so nice not writing to him anymore. I warn people about him occasionally, but that's all.
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