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Amazing Answers
2018-08-26 04:38:24 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.

This argument is flawed.

Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer that was used for hacking?

No.

Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
Tim
2018-08-26 06:35:06 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer that was used for hacking?
No.
Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
Christians believe that god is the creator, that god is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and benevolent. He must have known that free will would make some people evil, yet he let it happen. Therefore your god can't be seen as benevolent.

You should learn some logic.
Yap Honghor
2018-08-26 09:36:30 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer that was used for hacking?
No.
Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
Christians believe that god is the creator, that god is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and benevolent. He must have known that free will would make some people evil, yet he let it happen. Therefore your god can't be seen as benevolent.
You should learn some logic.
To be fair, a donkey knows nothing about logic!!!!!!!!!
aaa
2018-08-28 00:09:55 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer
that was used for hacking?
No.
Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not
to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
Christians believe that god is the creator, that god is omnipotent,
omniscient, omnipresent, and benevolent. He must have known that free
will would make some people evil, yet he let it happen. Therefore
your god can't be seen as benevolent.
You should learn some logic.
According to logic, the free will to sin and suffer in sin is only a
human mistake. A human mistake should not be blamed on God.
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Yap Honghor
2018-08-28 01:46:32 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer
that was used for hacking?
No.
Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not
to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
Christians believe that god is the creator, that god is omnipotent,
omniscient, omnipresent, and benevolent. He must have known that free
will would make some people evil, yet he let it happen. Therefore
your god can't be seen as benevolent.
You should learn some logic.
According to logic, the free will to sin and suffer in sin is only a
human mistake. A human mistake should not be blamed on God.
Since pixie is only an imagination, it is not a mistake of human.
It is part of those fools....
aaa
2018-08-28 02:37:27 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer
that was used for hacking?
No.
Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not
to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
Christians believe that god is the creator, that god is omnipotent,
omniscient, omnipresent, and benevolent. He must have known that free
will would make some people evil, yet he let it happen. Therefore
your god can't be seen as benevolent.
You should learn some logic.
According to logic, the free will to sin and suffer in sin is only a
human mistake. A human mistake should not be blamed on God.
Since pixie is only an imagination, it is not a mistake of human.
It is part of those fools....
God is never an imagination. The human sin is the real imagination in
the mind that replaces God.
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God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
Yap Honghor
2018-08-28 09:34:25 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer
that was used for hacking?
No.
Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not
to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
Christians believe that god is the creator, that god is omnipotent,
omniscient, omnipresent, and benevolent. He must have known that free
will would make some people evil, yet he let it happen. Therefore
your god can't be seen as benevolent.
You should learn some logic.
According to logic, the free will to sin and suffer in sin is only a
human mistake. A human mistake should not be blamed on God.
Since pixie is only an imagination, it is not a mistake of human.
It is part of those fools....
God is never an imagination. The human sin is the real imagination in
the mind that replaces God.
How many times you need me to repeat: "THERE IS NO FUCKING PIXIE IN THIS UNIVERSE!!!!!"
aaa
2018-08-28 16:27:50 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He
created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every
computer that was used for hacking?
No.
Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any
product is not to be blamed for the abuse of their
products.
Christians believe that god is the creator, that god is
omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and benevolent. He must
have known that free will would make some people evil, yet he
let it happen. Therefore your god can't be seen as
benevolent.
You should learn some logic.
According to logic, the free will to sin and suffer in sin is
only a human mistake. A human mistake should not be blamed on
God.
Since pixie is only an imagination, it is not a mistake of
human. It is part of those fools....
God is never an imagination. The human sin is the real imagination
in the mind that replaces God.
How many times you need me to repeat: "THERE IS NO FUCKING PIXIE IN THIS UNIVERSE!!!!!"
Your imagination doesn't really exist. That has nothing to do with God.
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Cloud Hobbit
2018-08-28 02:13:03 UTC
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According to logic, the free will to sin and suffer in sin is only a
human mistake. A human mistake should not be blamed on God.
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But if God made us capable of sin shouldn't it get the blame.
That might get you off the hook for being deliberately stupid.
aaa
2018-08-28 03:38:26 UTC
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According to logic, the free will to sin and suffer in sin is only a
human mistake. A human mistake should not be blamed on God.
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But if God made us capable of sin shouldn't it get the blame.
Obviously not. Just because God gave you a gun doesn't mean God has to
be responsible for you shooting at yourself by holding the gun backward.
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That might get you off the hook for being deliberately stupid.
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Cloud Hobbit
2018-08-28 19:44:36 UTC
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But if God made us capable of sin shouldn't it get the blame.
Obviously not. Just because God gave you a gun doesn't mean God has to
be responsible for you shooting at yourself by holding the gun backward.

Even though an omniscient God knew how the gun would used?

That makes your imaginary God responsible for the things that guns are used for.

As long as God is claimed to be omniscient then EVERYTHING happens the way it does because God knew it would and that makes it his responsibility.

FUCK you're stupid.
Or a liar.

Greywolf
2018-08-28 02:39:17 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer
that was used for hacking?
No.
Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not
to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
Christians believe that god is the creator, that god is omnipotent,
omniscient, omnipresent, and benevolent. He must have known that free
will would make some people evil, yet he let it happen. Therefore
your god can't be seen as benevolent.
You should learn some logic.
According to logic, the free will to sin and suffer in sin is only a
human mistake.
_________

But there'd be no "sin" if the God Jesus chose NOT to create Evil itself. And since Scripture points irrefutably to Him having created it, that makes HIM a "sinner."

A human mistake should not be blamed on God.

Yes you can! The God Jesus created very Evil itself AND each individual with the complete knowledge that individual would end up being every bit as Evil as "God" created that individual.

You think God had no clue as to how the individual He's created would turn out?

Omniscience, my man. Omniscience. He sure as Hell knew it. But He created Evil individuals anyway. That was very Evil, very sinful of Him. Don't you think?

Hey, how's your rebuttal to Mark 8:31 coming along?

You *have* been working on a rational, sane, rebuttal. Haven't you?
aaa
2018-08-28 03:52:51 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He
created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every
computer that was used for hacking?
No.
Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is
not to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
Christians believe that god is the creator, that god is
omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and benevolent. He must have
known that free will would make some people evil, yet he let it
happen. Therefore your god can't be seen as benevolent.
You should learn some logic.
According to logic, the free will to sin and suffer in sin is only
a human mistake.
_________
But there'd be no "sin" if the God Jesus chose NOT to create Evil
itself. And since Scripture points irrefutably to Him having created
it, that makes HIM a "sinner."
No. God creates evil by being good. There is nothing wrong about that.
In fact, this is exactly why God is the only standard to determine what
is good and what is evil.
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A human mistake should not be blamed on God.
Yes you can! The God Jesus created very Evil itself AND each
individual with the complete knowledge that individual would end up
being every bit as Evil as "God" created that individual.
You think God had no clue as to how the individual He's created would turn out?
Omniscience, my man. Omniscience. He sure as Hell knew it. But He
created Evil individuals anyway. That was very Evil, very sinful of
Him. Don't you think?
Omniscience can't be responsible for people's own action and choice. In
fact, omniscience is why the believers of God are guaranteed success to
return to God.
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Hey, how's your rebuttal to Mark 8:31 coming along?
You *have* been working on a rational, sane, rebuttal. Haven't you?
What's wrong with Mark 8:31?
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Andrew
2018-08-28 07:40:35 UTC
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You think God had no clue as to how the individual He's created would turn out?
Omniscience, my man. Omniscience. He sure as Hell knew it. But He created Evil
individuals anyway. That was very Evil, very sinful of Him. Don't you think?
Hey, how's your rebuttal to Mark 8:31 coming along?
Let's look at it.

"And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must
suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and by
the chief priests and scribes and be killed and after three
days rise again." ~ Mark 8:31

When did the "suffer many things" begin? It began Thursday night.

"And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat
this Passover with you before I suffer." ~ Luke 22:15<-- Thursday

"And they came to a place which was named Gethsemane:
and he saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray." <-- Thursday
~ Mark 14:32

"And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his
sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down <--Thursday
to the ground." ~ Luke 22:44

This was suffering in the extreme to the point of sweating
great drops of blood. Because He was bearing the sins of <--Thursday
all humanity.

When was the third day? Those who were there at the time
said that Sunday was the third day. That's when He arose
from the dead.

"today is the third day." Sunday
~ Luke 24:21




Case closed.



But wait!

Think about it. Since He arose exactly like He said, then we
may be sure that He will return exactly like He said. Doncha
think? Oh yes!
Yap Honghor
2018-08-26 09:35:35 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
So, the definition of a creator is not what you think?
It is incapable to create????????
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This argument is flawed.
What flaw?
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Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer that was used for hacking?
Your example is flawed...HP claims their computer is a tool. They do not say it cannot be used for hacking.
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No.
Yes, the police will confiscate the computer!
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Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
You are a donkey, not knowing how to blame your creator!!!!!!!!!
JWS
2018-08-26 15:10:00 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer that was used for hacking?
No.
Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
So where did the abusers come from?
Street
2018-08-26 15:16:56 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer that
was used for hacking?
No.
Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not to be
blamed for the abuse of their products.
Does HP have the power to prevent every hacker's hacking from screwing
anything up?
V. teuthis
2018-08-26 16:13:57 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer that was used for hacking?
No.
Is Hewlett Packard omnipotent and omniscient?

If so, then yes, they are responsible for every incident of hacking.

Along with every other evil thing that happens in this world.

Did God, before creating Lucifer, foresee that he was going to go off the
rails, become Satan, and tempt countless billions to damnation?

Or was god as limited as, say, Hewlett Packard is?

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Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
Greywolf
2018-08-28 02:29:19 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Since HP makes computers are they to be blamed for every computer that was used for hacking?
No.
Thus, where free will is involved the creator of any product is not to be blamed for the abuse of their products.
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You freakin' low-life. You scum-bag.

Okay, it's your turn now.

Explain *precisely* what you mean by "free will." Is it the ability to choose between (A) Good, or (B) Evil?

If not, explain what it is. And no using phrases that are, in reality, a substitute for the notion of "Evil." It's either Good or Evil, Bub.

And since you've invoked the concept of Free Will, I'll just point out that the God Jesus used HIS "Free Will" when he decided to malevolently create very Evil itself. Didn't He?

This has been pointed out to you any number of times already. So what's wrong with you? You too stupid to grasp something any 10-year-old would have no problem whatever comprehending?

Is your comprehension level lower than that of a 10-year-old? Or are you so religiously-diseased you can't see straight any more? In any event, address the above. Let's see what you come up with.
Davej
2018-08-28 17:14:37 UTC
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The argument goes that God by virtue of creating good, He created evil.
This argument is flawed.
Who created Malaria? Ebola? Smallpox? Leprosy? Plague? Anthrax?

They didn't create themselves.
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