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Complete List of evidence proving God exists
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Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-09 00:56:22 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
Mattb.
2017-08-09 01:01:58 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Kurt Nicklas
2017-08-09 01:21:20 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.

Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
"Smiler" will call someone a "paedophyle(sic)"
Hobbit will mumble incoherently,
Kev will tell us all more about giraffes than we want to know,
Tim will sound off with something obscene,
Jeanne will say, "What unevidenced extra terrestrial?"
AND
CHRSTopher A. Lee will call someone a psychopathological liar - probably me.

Just another day in A.A.
TheRealMccoy
2017-08-09 01:22:25 UTC
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Just another day in A.A.
unless you do something honest for once, and tell me where you are at?
Yap Honghor
2017-08-09 01:28:20 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
"Smiler" will call someone a "paedophyle(sic)"
Hobbit will mumble incoherently,
Kev will tell us all more about giraffes than we want to know,
Tim will sound off with something obscene,
Jeanne will say, "What unevidenced extra terrestrial?"
AND
CHRSTopher A. Lee will call someone a psychopathological liar - probably me.
Why would you have to lie your way through when you can be a honest human?
Is it so difficult?
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Just another day in A.A.
TheRealMccoy
2017-08-09 01:29:41 UTC
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On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:28:24 PM UTC-5, Yap

yappety yap yap

where do you live, fool?
Yap Honghor
2017-08-09 07:12:40 UTC
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On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:28:24 PM UTC-5, Yap
yappety yap yap
where do you live, fool?
I live in a real world....are you in Mars?
Kurt Nicklas
2017-08-09 13:55:08 UTC
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On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:28:24 PM UTC-5, Yap
yappety yap yap
where do you live, fool?
I live in a real world....are you in Mars?
*on* Mars, actually.

English is a b*tch.
Kevrob
2017-08-09 14:58:10 UTC
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On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:28:24 PM UTC-5, Yap
yappety yap yap
where do you live, fool?
I live in a real world....are you in Mars?
*on* Mars, actually.
One could be here, or several other places, and be "in Mars."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars,_Pennsylvania
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English is a b*tch.
Isn't she?

Kevin R
Kurt Nicklas
2017-08-09 16:47:14 UTC
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On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:28:24 PM UTC-5, Yap
yappety yap yap
where do you live, fool?
I live in a real world....are you in Mars?
*on* Mars, actually.
One could be here, or several other places, and be "in Mars."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars,_Pennsylvania
Post by Kurt Nicklas
English is a b*tch.
Isn't she?
Kevin R
LOL

Touche, Kev, but I don't think he had Mars, PA in mind.
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2017-08-09 01:33:36 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
"Smiler" will call someone a "paedophyle(sic)"
Hobbit will mumble incoherently,
Kev will tell us all more about giraffes than we want to know,
Tim will sound off with something obscene,
Jeanne will say, "What unevidenced extra terrestrial?"
AND
CHRSTopher A. Lee will call someone a psychopathological liar - probably me.
Why would you have to lie your way through when you can be a honest human?
Is it so difficult?
Try reasoning, Zapstar, instead of emotion.
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Yap Honghor
2017-08-09 07:14:06 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
"Smiler" will call someone a "paedophyle(sic)"
Hobbit will mumble incoherently,
Kev will tell us all more about giraffes than we want to know,
Tim will sound off with something obscene,
Jeanne will say, "What unevidenced extra terrestrial?"
AND
CHRSTopher A. Lee will call someone a psychopathological liar - probably me.
Why would you have to lie your way through when you can be a honest human?
Is it so difficult?
Try reasoning, Zapstar, instead of emotion.
Cannot stand theists lying all day long, from past centuries.
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2017-08-09 01:30:09 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
"Smiler" will call someone a "paedophyle(sic)"
Hobbit will mumble incoherently,
Kev will tell us all more about giraffes than we want to know,
Tim will sound off with something obscene,
Jeanne will say, "What unevidenced extra terrestrial?"
AND
CHRSTopher A. Lee will call someone a psychopathological liar - probably me.
That's about the size of it.
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Just another day in A.A.
TheRealMccoy
2017-08-09 01:31:31 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
"Smiler" will call someone a "paedophyle(sic)"
Hobbit will mumble incoherently,
Kev will tell us all more about giraffes than we want to know,
Tim will sound off with something obscene,
Jeanne will say, "What unevidenced extra terrestrial?"
AND
CHRSTopher A. Lee will call someone a psychopathological liar - probably me.
That's about the size of it.
was kurt one of yours?
A***@yahoo.com
2017-08-09 01:34:43 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
"Smiler" will call someone a "paedophyle(sic)"
Hobbit will mumble incoherently,
Kev will tell us all more about giraffes than we want to know,
Tim will sound off with something obscene,
Jeanne will say, "What unevidenced extra terrestrial?"
AND
CHRSTopher A. Lee will call someone a psychopathological liar - probably me.
That's about the size of it.
was kurt one of yours?
Whatever you mean the answer is no.
TheRealMccoy
2017-08-09 01:35:13 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
"Smiler" will call someone a "paedophyle(sic)"
Hobbit will mumble incoherently,
Kev will tell us all more about giraffes than we want to know,
Tim will sound off with something obscene,
Jeanne will say, "What unevidenced extra terrestrial?"
AND
CHRSTopher A. Lee will call someone a psychopathological liar - probably me.
That's about the size of it.
was kurt one of yours?
Whatever you mean the answer is no.
you answered it quite clearly in the other post ...
Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-09 01:37:47 UTC
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Ok then. Andrew has nothing to add.
Saint Else Ware
2017-08-09 01:38:41 UTC
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Ok then.
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Jeanne Douglas
2017-08-09 02:31:53 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
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2017-08-09 02:39:26 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
Kevrob
2017-08-09 03:34:25 UTC
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The language of this ng is English.
Says the troll who posts in Russian, in Cyrillic
characters, from time to time.

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2017-08-09 04:11:44 UTC
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The language of this ng is English.
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Kevin R
When I do that, I didn't realize anybody was too stupid to know where to get a translation. Obviously, you are.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-08-09 05:18:30 UTC
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The language of this ng is English.
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Kevin R
When I do that, I didn't realize anybody was too stupid to know where to get a translation. Obviously, you are.
When you do that you HOPE nobody gets it translated because you are so small minded you think you pulled a fast one, even though everybody knows you are a worthless tit.
Yap Honghor
2017-08-09 07:18:37 UTC
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The language of this ng is English.
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Kevin R
When I do that, I didn't realize anybody was too stupid to know where to get a translation. Obviously, you are.
You take a stand, yet you want to wiggle out of your own mistake????
What a moron!!!
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2017-08-09 14:23:59 UTC
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The language of this ng is English.
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characters, from time to time.
Kevin R
When I do that, I didn't realize anybody was too stupid to know where to get a translation. Obviously, you are.
You take a stand, yet you want to wiggle out of your own mistake????
What a moron!!!
He also neglects the time I did use online translation to
figure out what he was typing.

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2017-08-09 13:50:15 UTC
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The language of this ng is English.
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Kevin R
Konechno, ya tozhe pishu na russkom inogda "prosto tak" no ne sluchajno. K slozhaleniyu, kirilitsa sovsem ne mogu.
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2017-08-09 07:15:45 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
But you wrote in Russian or some alien language too!
Can you look first before you jump?
Kurt Nicklas
2017-08-09 09:40:26 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
Exactly.
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2017-08-09 10:11:18 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
So no more 'Russian' from you?
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2017-08-09 18:18:00 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
So no more 'Russian' from you?
Why does Arty/Joe do so many “own goals” in his arguments here? It must
be some sort of record.
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2017-08-09 19:34:05 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra
terrestrial life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
So no more 'Russian' from you?
Why does Arty/Joe do so many “own goals” in his arguments here? It must
be some sort of record.
Yep. A broken record.
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2017-08-09 20:06:12 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
So no more 'Russian' from you?
Why does Arty/Joe do so many “own goals” in his arguments here? It must
be some sort of record.
He's the least self-aware poster here, and it's a combination of
stupidity, narcissism, massive ego, inferiority complex and
Alzheimer's all bolted on to his psychopathic personality.
Ted
2017-08-09 20:20:10 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
So no more 'Russian' from you?
Why does Arty/Joe do so many “own goals” in his arguments here? It must
be some sort of record.
He's the least self-aware poster here, and it's a combination of
stupidity, narcissism, massive ego, inferiority complex and
Alzheimer's all bolted on to his psychopathic personality.
I believe you're spot on!
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2017-08-09 20:53:58 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
So no more 'Russian' from you?
Why does Arty/Joe do so many “own goals” in his arguments here? It must
be some sort of record.
He's the least self-aware poster here, and it's a combination of
stupidity, narcissism, massive ego, inferiority complex and
Alzheimer's all bolted on to his psychopathic personality.
How can someone be egotistical and feel inferior at the same time, you babbling idiot?

I've already been diagnosed by a VA Psychiatrist who didn't use any of those stupid words.YOU ARE A FRAUD.
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2017-08-10 01:01:59 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
So no more 'Russian' from you?
Why does Arty/Joe do so many “own goals” in his arguments here? It must
be some sort of record.
He's the least self-aware poster here, and it's a combination of
stupidity, narcissism, massive ego, inferiority complex and
Alzheimer's all bolted on to his psychopathic personality.
How can someone be egotistical and feel inferior at the same time, you babbling idiot?
Why not?
You can egotistical by feeling you are one of a kind, the low kind.
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I've already been diagnosed by a VA Psychiatrist who didn't use any of those stupid words.YOU ARE A FRAUD.
Psychiatrist has to be nice, not offensive because he needs your constant attendance, to pay for his service.
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2017-08-10 01:06:11 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
So no more 'Russian' from you?
Why does Arty/Joe do so many “own goals” in his arguments here? It must
be some sort of record.
He's the least self-aware poster here, and it's a combination of
stupidity, narcissism, massive ego, inferiority complex and
Alzheimer's all bolted on to his psychopathic personality.
How can someone be egotistical and feel inferior at the same time, you babbling idiot?
Why not?
You can egotistical by feeling you are one of a kind, the low kind.
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I've already been diagnosed by a VA Psychiatrist who didn't use any of
those stupid words.YOU ARE A FRAUD.
Psychiatrist has to be nice, not offensive because he needs your constant
attendance, to pay for his service.
Exactly.
John Locke
2017-08-09 21:01:10 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
So no more 'Russian' from you?
Why does Arty/Joe do so many “own goals” in his arguments here? It must
be some sort of record.
He's the least self-aware poster here, and it's a combination of
stupidity, narcissism, massive ego, inferiority complex and
Alzheimer's all bolted on to his psychopathic personality.
...as ususal, you're spot on.

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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
So no more 'Russian' from you?
Why does Arty/Joe do so many “own goals” in his arguments here? It must
be some sort of record.
He's the least self-aware poster here, and it's a combination of
stupidity, narcissism, massive ego, inferiority complex and
Alzheimer's all bolted on to his psychopathic personality.
...as ususal, you're spot on.
What is "ususal, babbling idiot?
Ted
2017-08-09 21:11:56 UTC
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Post by Mattb.
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
So no more 'Russian' from you?
Why does Arty/Joe do so many “own goals” in his arguments here? It must
be some sort of record.
He's the least self-aware poster here, and it's a combination of
stupidity, narcissism, massive ego, inferiority complex and
Alzheimer's all bolted on to his psychopathic personality.
...as ususal, you're spot on.
I also eat shit.
Eww! You're disgusting, ArtyJoe!
Kurt Nicklas
2017-08-10 00:00:23 UTC
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Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
The language of this ng is English.
So no more 'Russian' from you?
Why does Arty/Joe do so many “own goals” in his arguments here? It must
be some sort of record.
He's the least self-aware poster here, and it's a combination of
stupidity, narcissism, massive ego, inferiority complex and
Alzheimer's all bolted on to his psychopathic personality.
CHRISTopher's pretensions to mind-reading never end.
Kurt Nicklas
2017-08-09 09:45:25 UTC
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Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
I'll bet Yap's English is far better than your Chinese.
If that's his native language then no doubt it is.

But this is an English group and the fact his poor English makes him incoherent.

Others here are incoherent for other reasons, of course.
duke
2017-08-09 19:46:24 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
"Smiler" will call someone a "paedophyle(sic)"
Hobbit will mumble incoherently,
Kev will tell us all more about giraffes than we want to know,
Tim will sound off with something obscene,
Jeanne will say, "What unevidenced extra terrestrial?"
AND
CHRSTopher A. Lee will call someone a psychopathological liar - probably me.
Just another day in A.A.
Yep, a regular circus.

the dukester, American-American


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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
And the thead will go down hill after that "wonderful" start.
Pretty soon: Micki will effuse about her new killfile,
Yappy will set a new low for English grammar,
"Smiler" will call someone a "paedophyle(sic)"
Hobbit will mumble incoherently,
Kev will tell us all more about giraffes than we want to know,
Tim will sound off with something obscene,
Jeanne will say, "What unevidenced extra terrestrial?"
AND
CHRSTopher A. Lee will call someone a psychopathological liar - probably me.
Just another day in A.A.
Yep, a regular circus.
And you're just another one of the red nosed clowns.
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2017-08-09 02:31:03 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
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2017-08-09 03:31:45 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.

I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.

Kevin R
Alex W.
2017-08-09 04:35:46 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.
That's technologically advanced and intelligent extraterrestrial life.

But what about extraterrestrial life in general? Panspermia is a viable
hypothesis for the emergence of life from earth, arguing that our planet
was seeded with micro-organisms sheltered within meteorites. There is
enough experimental evidence to suggest that this line of enquiry
deserves further study ...
Kevrob
2017-08-09 14:54:00 UTC
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Post by Mattb.
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.
That's technologically advanced and intelligent extraterrestrial life.
But what about extraterrestrial life in general? Panspermia is a viable
hypothesis for the emergence of life from earth, arguing that our planet
was seeded with micro-organisms sheltered within meteorites.
I've read Fred Hoyle on that.
Post by Alex W.
There is
enough experimental evidence to suggest that this line of enquiry
deserves further study ...
If panspermia ever had convincing enough evidence to supplant Terra
as the origin point for the earliest organisms, religions might
have a hard time accepting that. It wouldn't answer the prior question
about whether life originated spontaneously or not, but it wouldn't
match the creationist narratives as they are now.

Kevin R
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2017-08-10 00:19:46 UTC
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Post by Mattb.
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.
That's technologically advanced and intelligent extraterrestrial life.
But what about extraterrestrial life in general? Panspermia is a viable
hypothesis for the emergence of life from earth, arguing that our planet
was seeded with micro-organisms sheltered within meteorites.
I've read Fred Hoyle on that.
"It is better to be interesting and wrong than boring and right" seems a
fair summation (in his own words) of his approach to science. Admirable
and always interesting, but I am not sure his reflexive rejection of
anything that smacked of religious thinking did him any favours.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Alex W.
There is
enough experimental evidence to suggest that this line of enquiry
deserves further study ...
If panspermia ever had convincing enough evidence to supplant Terra
as the origin point for the earliest organisms, religions might
have a hard time accepting that. It wouldn't answer the prior question
about whether life originated spontaneously or not, but it wouldn't
match the creationist narratives as they are now.
Religions always have a hard time accepting anything that runs counter
to the doctrine of the day. In time, though, most of them do come round.

Panspermia does not, of course, address the issue of creation and
abiogenesis. It merely removes it to another level: if life did not
originate on Earth, then maybe <insert deity here> created it elsewhere
and used divine meteors to spread it. So for religion, it would be yet
another exercise in finding a gap through which their god can squeeze.

The interesting thing is that experiments in orbit appear to show the
viability of such a mechanism to spread life, at least potentially. If
a tardigrade can survive in space for six years (!!) that is a good
sign, surely...
Malcolm McMahon
2017-08-09 14:46:54 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
That's only a problem if it's "canned primates" rather than something more sophisticated.

Like a von-Neuman self-replicating probe, for example. In theory an advanced civilisation should be able to explore their galaxy quite quickly
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2017-08-09 16:21:23 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
Just think how much energy this would consume.
Post by Kevrob
I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.
Kevin R
Remember how the world was explored by the European maritime powers .
They used sailing ships which did not require any power of their own,
and they did so with the expectation of finding food and water on
route and at their destination.

Now compare that with the space trips we have made, which used power
and enormous amounts of fuel - to take a tiny capsule to the moon and
an even tinier one to make the return journey. Most of the fuel was
burned carrying fuel which was later burned.

Larry Niven's short story "The fourth Profession" describes what IMO
is the only practical way for interstellar travel, using generation
ships and light sails. But these required a source of enough light -
either launching lasers or making stars go nova.

Launching lasers would also need to be aimed at where the next star
would be, so many years down the line.

You can read it here...

http://bookre.org/reader?file=263875

And even this doesn't describe how they survived on route, what they
ate and what they did with their dead, how they didn't get too inbred,
etc.
Kevrob
2017-08-09 20:22:26 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
Just think how much energy this would consume.
Prodigious amounts.
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Post by Kevrob
I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.
Kevin R
Remember how the world was explored by the European maritime powers .
They used sailing ships which did not require any power of their own,
and they did so with the expectation of finding food and water on
route and at their destination.
Now compare that with the space trips we have made, which used power
and enormous amounts of fuel - to take a tiny capsule to the moon and
an even tinier one to make the return journey. Most of the fuel was
burned carrying fuel which was later burned.
Larry Niven's short story "The fourth Profession" describes what IMO
is the only practical way for interstellar travel, using generation
ships and light sails. But these required a source of enough light -
either launching lasers or making stars go nova.
The Solar Sail or Light Sail is something I'm quite familiar with
from various SF stories. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Launching lasers would also need to be aimed at where the next star
would be, so many years down the line.
You can read it here...
http://bookre.org/reader?file=263875
And even this doesn't describe how they survived on route, what they
ate and what they did with their dead, how they didn't get too inbred,
etc.
Consider Heinlein's generation ship novel, "Orphan's In The Sky,"
the fixup of "Universe" and "Common Sense," which I must have read
45+ years ago. GenShips can go pear-shaped, and there's no sort
of rescue vehicle that could reach one in time to help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphans_of_the_Sky

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_ship

There's the cold sleep/stasis/suspended animation version of the
"slow boat," recently seen in the film, "Passengers."

Have you read Stephenson's "SevenEves" yet? I just finished it.

Kevin R
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
Just think how much energy this would consume.
Prodigious amounts.
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Post by Kevrob
I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.
Kevin R
Remember how the world was explored by the European maritime powers .
They used sailing ships which did not require any power of their own,
and they did so with the expectation of finding food and water on
route and at their destination.
Now compare that with the space trips we have made, which used power
and enormous amounts of fuel - to take a tiny capsule to the moon and
an even tinier one to make the return journey. Most of the fuel was
burned carrying fuel which was later burned.
Larry Niven's short story "The fourth Profession" describes what IMO
is the only practical way for interstellar travel, using generation
ships and light sails. But these required a source of enough light -
either launching lasers or making stars go nova.
The Solar Sail or Light Sail is something I'm quite familiar with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Launching lasers would also need to be aimed at where the next star
would be, so many years down the line.
You can read it here...
http://bookre.org/reader?file=263875
And even this doesn't describe how they survived on route, what they
ate and what they did with their dead, how they didn't get too inbred,
etc.
Consider Heinlein's generation ship novel, "Orphan's In The Sky,"
the fixup of "Universe" and "Common Sense," which I must have read
45+ years ago. GenShips can go pear-shaped, and there's no sort
of rescue vehicle that could reach one in time to help.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphans_of_the_Sky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_ship
There's the cold sleep/stasis/suspended animation version of the
"slow boat," recently seen in the film, "Passengers."
Have you read Stephenson's "SevenEves" yet? I just finished it.
Just the reviews.
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2017-08-09 22:41:47 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
Just think how much energy this would consume.
Prodigious amounts.
If Einstein was correct.
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Kevrob
I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.
Kevin R
Remember how the world was explored by the European maritime powers .
They used sailing ships which did not require any power of their own,
and they did so with the expectation of finding food and water on
route and at their destination.
Now compare that with the space trips we have made, which used power
and enormous amounts of fuel - to take a tiny capsule to the moon and
an even tinier one to make the return journey. Most of the fuel was
burned carrying fuel which was later burned.
Larry Niven's short story "The fourth Profession" describes what IMO
is the only practical way for interstellar travel, using generation
ships and light sails. But these required a source of enough light -
either launching lasers or making stars go nova.
The Solar Sail or Light Sail is something I'm quite familiar with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Launching lasers would also need to be aimed at where the next star
would be, so many years down the line.
You can read it here...
http://bookre.org/reader?file=263875
And even this doesn't describe how they survived on route, what they
ate and what they did with their dead, how they didn't get too inbred,
etc.
Consider Heinlein's generation ship novel, "Orphan's In The Sky,"
the fixup of "Universe" and "Common Sense," which I must have read
45+ years ago. GenShips can go pear-shaped, and there's no sort
of rescue vehicle that could reach one in time to help.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphans_of_the_Sky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_ship
There's the cold sleep/stasis/suspended animation version of the
"slow boat," recently seen in the film, "Passengers."
Have you read Stephenson's "SevenEves" yet? I just finished it.
Kevin R
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
Just think how much energy this would consume.
Prodigious amounts.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Kevrob
I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.
Kevin R
Remember how the world was explored by the European maritime powers .
They used sailing ships which did not require any power of their own,
and they did so with the expectation of finding food and water on
route and at their destination.
Now compare that with the space trips we have made, which used power
and enormous amounts of fuel - to take a tiny capsule to the moon and
an even tinier one to make the return journey. Most of the fuel was
burned carrying fuel which was later burned.
Larry Niven's short story "The fourth Profession" describes what IMO
is the only practical way for interstellar travel, using generation
ships and light sails. But these required a source of enough light -
either launching lasers or making stars go nova.
The Solar Sail or Light Sail is something I'm quite familiar with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Launching lasers would also need to be aimed at where the next star
would be, so many years down the line.
You can read it here...
http://bookre.org/reader?file=263875
And even this doesn't describe how they survived on route, what they
ate and what they did with their dead, how they didn't get too inbred,
etc.
Consider Heinlein's generation ship novel, "Orphan's In The Sky,"
the fixup of "Universe" and "Common Sense," which I must have read
45+ years ago. GenShips can go pear-shaped, and there's no sort
of rescue vehicle that could reach one in time to help.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphans_of_the_Sky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_ship
There's the cold sleep/stasis/suspended animation version of the
"slow boat," recently seen in the film, "Passengers."
Have you read Stephenson's "SevenEves" yet? I just finished it.
Kevin R
On of the best things about classic sci-fi for me is how the authors never once considered it would be the government that would be responsible for space travel.
They always assumed it would be private sector people doing all of it. A great example is "The Man Who Sold the Moon."

Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proved innocent.
Lazurus Long

History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it. Lazurus Long

Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes. Keep this in mind; it may offer a way to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate--and quickly.
Lazurus Long

My personal favorite:
Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. Lazurus Long

I wonder how long it will take some of the idiot theists to discover who Mr. Long is.
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
Just think how much energy this would consume.
Prodigious amounts.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Kevrob
I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.
Kevin R
Remember how the world was explored by the European maritime powers .
They used sailing ships which did not require any power of their own,
and they did so with the expectation of finding food and water on
route and at their destination.
Now compare that with the space trips we have made, which used power
and enormous amounts of fuel - to take a tiny capsule to the moon and
an even tinier one to make the return journey. Most of the fuel was
burned carrying fuel which was later burned.
Larry Niven's short story "The fourth Profession" describes what IMO
is the only practical way for interstellar travel, using generation
ships and light sails. But these required a source of enough light -
either launching lasers or making stars go nova.
The Solar Sail or Light Sail is something I'm quite familiar with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail
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Launching lasers would also need to be aimed at where the next star
would be, so many years down the line.
You can read it here...
http://bookre.org/reader?file=263875
And even this doesn't describe how they survived on route, what they
ate and what they did with their dead, how they didn't get too inbred,
etc.
Consider Heinlein's generation ship novel, "Orphan's In The Sky,"
the fixup of "Universe" and "Common Sense," which I must have read
45+ years ago. GenShips can go pear-shaped, and there's no sort
of rescue vehicle that could reach one in time to help.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphans_of_the_Sky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_ship
There's the cold sleep/stasis/suspended animation version of the
"slow boat," recently seen in the film, "Passengers."
Have you read Stephenson's "SevenEves" yet? I just finished it.
Kevin R
On of the best things about classic sci-fi for me is how the authors never once considered it would be the government that would be responsible for space travel.
They always assumed it would be private sector people doing all of it. A great example is "The Man Who Sold the Moon."
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Monks are NEVER moderate.
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I wonder how long it will take some of the idiot theists to discover who Mr. Long is.
Who cares?
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
Just think how much energy this would consume.
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I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.
Kevin R
Remember how the world was explored by the European maritime powers .
They used sailing ships which did not require any power of their own,
and they did so with the expectation of finding food and water on
route and at their destination.
Now compare that with the space trips we have made, which used power
and enormous amounts of fuel - to take a tiny capsule to the moon and
an even tinier one to make the return journey. Most of the fuel was
burned carrying fuel which was later burned.
Larry Niven's short story "The fourth Profession" describes what IMO
is the only practical way for interstellar travel, using generation
ships and light sails. But these required a source of enough light -
either launching lasers or making stars go nova.
Launching lasers would also need to be aimed at where the next star
would be, so many years down the line.
You can read it here...
http://bookre.org/reader?file=263875
And even this doesn't describe how they survived on route, what they
ate and what they did with their dead, how they didn't get too inbred,
etc.
“Damn you, you damned dirty ape!”

Just what I really needed, yet another web-site filled with great old SF. It
has been quite a few years since I last read “The Fourth Profession.” Now
it has been 5 minutes. Still a great read, and a fun one. I had almost
forgotten just how good a writer Niven is, especially his short stories.

So that link is tucked safely away for later use.

Thanks, Chris.
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
Just think how much energy this would consume.
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I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.
Kevin R
Remember how the world was explored by the European maritime powers .
They used sailing ships which did not require any power of their own,
and they did so with the expectation of finding food and water on
route and at their destination.
Now compare that with the space trips we have made, which used power
and enormous amounts of fuel - to take a tiny capsule to the moon and
an even tinier one to make the return journey. Most of the fuel was
burned carrying fuel which was later burned.
Larry Niven's short story "The fourth Profession" describes what IMO
is the only practical way for interstellar travel, using generation
ships and light sails. But these required a source of enough light -
either launching lasers or making stars go nova.
Launching lasers would also need to be aimed at where the next star
would be, so many years down the line.
You can read it here...
http://bookre.org/reader?file=263875
And even this doesn't describe how they survived on route, what they
ate and what they did with their dead, how they didn't get too inbred,
etc.
“Damn you, you damned dirty ape!”
Just what I really needed, yet another web-site filled with great old SF. It
has been quite a few years since I last read “The Fourth Profession.” Now
it has been 5 minutes. Still a great read, and a fun one. I had almost
forgotten just how good a writer Niven is, especially his short stories.
So that link is tucked safely away for later use.
Thanks, Chris.
No problem.

I prefer the SF of that era.

I donated a huge collection when I emigrated.
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2017-08-09 22:40:25 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain
superluminal travel that wouldn't also allow for time
travel. Unless some intelligence is hiding inside our
system, or one nearby such as Alpha Centauri, and has
a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd
appreciate being corrected. I'd like it if interstellar
travel by other than generation ship were a possibility.
Well I'm betting we haven't even begun to understand how the universe
works. Also has all of Einstein theories been proven?
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra
terrestrial life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Especially since we have no theory that would explain superluminal
travel that wouldn't also allow for time travel. Unless some
intelligence is hiding inside our system, or one nearby such as Alpha
Centauri, and has a stardrive capable of a high percentage of "c," I'd
be skeptical alien visits are even possible.
I'm not a physicist, though. If any are lurking, I'd appreciate being
corrected. I'd like it if interstellar travel by other than generation
ship were a possibility.
Well I'm betting we haven't even begun to understand how the universe
works. Also has all of Einstein theories been proven?
None of them have been proven wrong, so far.
That doesn't mean that they cannot be in the future.
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Where would it have come from, and how would it have got here?
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Now we can move on to something real.
OK how many atheist believe in the possibility that extra terrestrial
life has visited Earth?
Possible, but unlikely.
Maybe but it is possible
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2017-08-09 01:29:36 UTC
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Nobody can prove that God exists. He makes Himself known
only to those He has chosen, before He created anything.

Thinking He can be proven to exist shows how little you know.
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by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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Now we can move on to something real.
Nobody can prove that God exists. He makes Himself known
only to those He has chosen, before He created anything.
Thinking He can be proven to exist shows how little you know.
What's the purpose of the bible, then?
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Now we can move on to something real.
Nobody can prove that God exists. He makes Himself known
only to those He has chosen, before He created anything.
Thinking He can be proven to exist shows how little you know.
What's the purpose of the bible, then?
To fool all the believers???
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Now we can move on to something real.
Nobody can prove that God exists. He makes Himself known
only to those He has chosen, before He created anything.
Thinking He can be proven to exist shows how little you know.
What's the purpose of the bible, then?
It's certainly not to prove He exists.

It's for people who already believe He exists to get to know Him better.
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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Now we can move on to something real.
Nobody can prove that God exists. He makes Himself known
only to those He has chosen, before He created anything.
Thinking He can be proven to exist shows how little you know.
What's the purpose of the bible, then?
It's certainly not to prove He exists.
It's for people who already believe He exists to get to know Him better.
That's absolute nonsense.
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What's the purpose of the bible, then?
It's certainly not to prove He exists.
It's for people who already believe He exists to get to know Him better.
That's absolute nonsense.
Do you really think that's going to change my mind?

Why don't you do this instead?

You can write more than just three words at a time, can't you?

Show me one book in the Bible, just one, from the Old or New Testament,
that was written to non-believers in an attempt to convert them to being
not only believers, but also worshipers of God, and that was not written
already assuming the existence of God.

If you can do that, that would get me to change my mind.
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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What's the purpose of the bible, then?
It's certainly not to prove He exists.
It's for people who already believe He exists to get to know Him better.
That's absolute nonsense.
Do you really think that's going to change my mind?
No.
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What's the purpose of the bible, then?
It's certainly not to prove He exists.
It's for people who already believe He exists to get to know Him better.
That's absolute nonsense.
Do you really think that's going to change my mind?
What mind?
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Why don't you do this instead?
You can write more than just three words at a time, can't you?
Show me one book in the Bible, just one, from the Old or New Testament,
that was written to non-believers in an attempt to convert them to being
not only believers, but also worshipers of God, and that was not written
already assuming the existence of God.
If you can do that, that would get me to change my mind.
If you are writing a book to convince people your imaginary god is real, you start with the assumption he is real. The bible is about trying to alternately convince people that it is real and loves us and showing how pissed he can get and go on a rampage and kill people for the slightest transgression such as having bears attack children.
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Nobody can prove that God exists.
That word "God" is meaningless until you define it.
Philosophers and theologians have hypothesized all
sorts of qualities of a deity. There's no agreement.

Is a "god" a jealous, spiteful, angry, disloyal horndog
such as Zeus or some of the other Olympians, or members
of rival pantheons? Is it the clockmaker ghod of Deism?
Are they numerous spirits of place, or of animals, as in
animism? Is it Plato's ghod?

There's Michael Shermer's Last Law:

“Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence
is indistinguishable from God.” -

http://www.michaelshermer.com/2002/01/shermers-last-law/

He's ringing a change on Clarke's 3rd Law.
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He makes Himself known
only to those He has chosen, before He created anything.
Secret knowledge of the initiated does not compel
anyone to accept a proposition, if it remain secret.
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Thinking He can be proven to exist shows how little you know.
And snapping your fingers keeps the elephants away?

Take a hike, troll.

Kevin R
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Nobody can prove that God exists.
That word "God" is meaningless until you define it.
Apparently, you are the only atheist who does not know what it means.
ROTFL!
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Now we can move on to something real.
Nobody can prove that God exists.
That word "God" is meaningless until you define it.
Apparently, you are the only atheist who does not know what it means.
ROTFL!
Apparently, no theist has ever come out with one.....
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Now we can move on to something real.
Nobody can prove that God exists.
That word "God" is meaningless until you define it.
Apparently, you are the only atheist who does not know what it means.
ROTFL!
And you are a theist troll unaware of differing definitions, then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptions_of_God

People have fought wars over disagreements over the fundamental
natures of their imagined f(r)iend(s).

Kevin R

Kevin R
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Nobody can prove that God exists. He makes Himself known
only to those He has chosen, before He created anything.
If you can't prove his existence how do you know it's not just a hallucination?
What is the point of a god deciding before humans are even born what their life should be? What makes you think a shitheel like you would be one of the chosen?
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Thinking He can be proven to exist shows how little you know.
Thinking it possible that god exists shows how little you think.


<biblical bullshit snipped>

“One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected. …[This] convention protects them, and so they proceed with their blather unwhipped and almost unmolested, to the great damage of common sense and common decency. that they should have this immunity is an outrage. There is nothing in religious ideas, as a class, to lift them above other ideas. On the contrary, they are always dubious and often quite silly. Nor is there any visible intellectual dignity in theologians. Few of them know anything that is worth knowing, and not many of them are even honest.”
― H.L. Mencken, H.L. Mencken on Religion
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Now we can move on to something real.
Nobody can prove that God exists. He makes Himself known
only to those He has chosen, before He created anything.
If you can't prove his existence how do you know it's not just a hallucination?
What is the point of a god deciding before humans are even born what
their life should be? What makes you think a shitheel like you would be
one of the chosen?
Those are all pointed questions, and ones that tell me you're not really
interested (or ready) to hear the answer.

You never were on a debate team, were you? I can tell.
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Thinking He can be proven to exist shows how little you know.
Thinking it possible that god exists shows how little you think.
However, proving it's impossible for God to exist would be allowed.

Why don't you do that, instead of spewing your ad hominem hostility.
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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Nobody can prove that God exists. He makes Himself known
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Thinking He can be proven to exist shows how little you know.
So what is the Babble for?
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--
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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Now we can move on to something real.
Nobody can prove that God exists. He makes Himself known
only to those He has chosen, before He created anything.
How convenient. Nobody can prove God exists because he doesn't.
Your idiotic belief in election is bullshit.
No wonder there are so few Calvinists.


http://www.examiningcalvinism.com/files/Articles/elect.html
Even the crazy fundies want nothing to do with your imaginary bullshit. Jesus is the Elect of the Father, and believers are merely piggybacking on Jesus’ election. Yes, believers are elect, but only insomuch as being identified with Christ, as the Bride of Christ, as the Body of Christ, and in Christ. It is only our identification with Jesus that makes us elect with Christ. Another way to understand it is through Abraham. It is true that a Jew belongs to the chosen race, but only insomuch as piggybacking from Abraham, all based upon God’s promise to Abraham. We are elect, in the same way, based upon God’s eternal plan to make Jesus Christ, His Son, the place of grace.
The elect are not the whosoever-wills.
The non-elect are not the whosoever wont’s.

The elect are the whosoever-has. (Romans 8:1, 33)
The non-elect are the whosoever hasn’t. (John 3:18)

Romans 8:33-34: “Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.”

Romans 8:1: “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.”

Question: Who are “God’s elect”?

Answer: The elect are those who are “in Christ Jesus.”


Calvinists believe that the reason why God created all living beings was for the purpose of making a demonstration of His various attributes, and in so doing, had eternally decided to create an Upper Caste of men and angels for the express purpose of demonstrating His loving attributes, while also creating a corresponding Lower Caste of men and angels to embody His attributes of hate, wrath an eternal condemnation. The Upper Caste is denoted by Calvinists as “the elect,” which I often clarify as the “Calvinistically elect,” since I do not believe that it accurately represents the biblical teaching of who God’s elect really are. Jesus is the Elect One, and His body, the Church, is “elect” insomuch that it is an extension of Himself, which is why Christians are referred to as being “in Christ Jesus.”

Lawrence Vance explains: “There is no such animal as an ‘elect unregenerate’ child of God.” (The Other Side of Calvinism, p.336, emphasis mine)



Calvinists believe that the reason why God created all living beings was for the purpose of making a demonstration of His various attributes, and in so doing, had eternally decided to create an Upper Caste of men and angels for the express purpose of demonstrating His loving attributes, while also creating a corresponding Lower Caste of men and angels to embody His attributes of hate, wrath an eternal condemnation. The Upper Caste is denoted by Calvinists as “the elect,” which I often clarify as the “Calvinistically elect,” since I do not believe that it accurately represents the biblical teaching of who God’s elect really are. Jesus is the Elect One, and His body, the Church, is “elect” insomuch that it is an extension of Himself, which is why Christians are referred to as being “in Christ Jesus.”

Lawrence Vance explains: “There is no such animal as an ‘elect unregenerate’ child of God.” (The Other Side of Calvinism, p.336, emphasis mine)

Calvinist, Mark Kielar, explains: “Forget about the fact of whether I am elect or not. ‘Maybe I’m not elect?’ Forget about that, because regardless of any of that, God commands all men, everywhere, to repent and believe.” (How Do I know If I’m One of God’s Elect?)

First of all, this exactly what Spurgeon recommended for doubting Calvinists. Just forget about Calvinism, and take on the same approach as Arminians, by just focusing on Jesus and repentance. Second of all, what is the point of telling all men, everywhere, to repent and believe, if Jesus didn’t die for all men, everywhere? By telling them to repent and believe, you are implying that God loves them, and Jesus died for them, and is willing to receive their repentance. So that wipes out Limited Atonement.

Calvinist, Mark Kielar, adds: “Cry to God for converting grace.” (How Do I know If I’m One of God’s Elect?)

So what happened to Calvinistic Monergism? Also, by Calvinistic standards, can one cry out for Irresistible Grace, without already having it? (This is how Calvinism constantly tortures logic.) So instead of confessing your sins and believing that God raised Jesus from the dead (as per Romans 10:9-10), the Calvinist method is to beg for Irresistible Grace. I conclude that Calvinism doesn’t do anyone, any bit of good. I’ve even heard Calvinists recommend that people should believe like Calvinists but live like Arminians. Well how about just believing and living like Arminians? Calvinists need works as a way to personally affirm a secret election. The peril of Calvinism is that it turns your mind from Christ, and over to secret decrees, a secret draft and begging for Irresistible Grace, all of which has the effect of making God’s grace more unlikely, than likely.

In short, you are full of shit even more than the usual theist.
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Thinking He can be proven to exist shows how little you know.
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Thinking you could be one of the elect shows how deep is your psychosis.
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Nobody can prove God exists because he doesn't.
Can you prove that? No, you absolutely can not.

Therefore you acknowledge that you don't know
what you are talking about.
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Now we can move on to something real.
But you cannot "move on" because you
have what is called ------> an obsession.
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Now we can move on to something real.
But you cannot "move on" because you
have what is called ------> an obsession.
I'm not the one invading a NG that has nothing to do with religion and trying to force feed it to the people on that NG.

I'm not the one getting shit from the people who belong here.

It's a simple matter of common courtesy. Just as atheists here do not invade a Catholic NG and tell them how wrong they are, you have no business being here insulting everyone with your religious bullshit and general rudeness.

And you still have no evidence of a god.
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2017-08-09 10:32:07 UTC
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And you still have no evidence of a god.
Yes we do. But we can't reveal to you what it is.

Only God can do that.
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by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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2017-08-09 19:48:33 UTC
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And you still have no evidence of a god.
Yes we do. But we can't reveal to you what it is.
Therefore, it's not evidence.
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Only God can do that.
That would be that supposed god for which you cannot show any evidence.
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And you still have no evidence of a god.
Yes we do. But we can't reveal to you what it is.
Bullshit. If there was such evidence you would be telling everybody so they could join your cult.
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Only God can do that.
Who does not exist.
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2017-08-09 20:58:46 UTC
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And you still have no evidence of a god.
Yes we do. But we can't reveal to you what it is.
...who's we ? The "elect" consortium. My, what a pretentious bunch of
god hoarding misfits you are.
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Only God can do that.
...a real god would have made its intentions known to everyone.

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2017-08-09 10:24:18 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
But you cannot "move on" because you
have what is called ------> an obsession.
Bravo!

He reminds me of a drug addict on heroin.

Always looking for that next fix.
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold
by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief
and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of
the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his
voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and
the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they
will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know
the voice of strangers."
[John 10:1-5]
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2017-08-09 14:49:56 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
But you cannot "move on" because you
have what is called ------> an obsession.
...and YOU can't move on because you have what is
called a delusional obstruction...Christianity.

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2017-08-09 22:11:35 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
But you cannot "move on" because you
have what is called ------> an obsession.
<ahem>

http://tinyurl.com/yaae2hnj

A.A.
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2017-08-09 23:11:43 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
Notice how not one shred of evidence pertaining to the existence of any God is offered by any theist?

So shall it ever be.
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2017-08-09 23:21:38 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
Notice how not one shred of evidence pertaining to the existence of any God is offered by any theist?
So shall it ever be.
That's a LIE. This has been posted before:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
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2017-08-09 23:25:56 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
Notice how not one shred of evidence pertaining to the existence of any
God is offered by any theist?
So shall it ever be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
Forget it, asshole. Do you really think we're dumb enough to click a link
that might load a virus onto our computers?
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Sorry Art but there is no evidence of God at the link you posted. It is mostly a list of different kinds of atheism and the kinds of reasoning they use.

Just to clarify your muddled thinking, I was referring to people posting to this thread. Not one of them has ever provided evidence of a God.

They all do the same dance about how you have to believe in order to believe or how it is impossible to prove God when what they mean is they can't and they just ignore the contradictions and the fiction.
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2017-08-10 00:49:56 UTC
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Sorry Art but there is no evidence of God at the link you posted.
BULLSHIT

3.1Arguments for the existence of God3
3.1.1Argument from beauty
3.1.2Argument from consciousness
3.1.3Aquinas' Five Ways
3.1.4Rational warrant
3.2Deductive arguments
3.2.1Ontological argument
3.3Inductive arguments
3.3.1Other arguments
3.4Subjective arguments
3.4.1Arguments from historical events or personages
3.4.2Arguments from testimony
3.4.2.1Arguments grounded in personal experiences
3.5Hindu arguments
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2017-08-10 01:12:58 UTC
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Sorry Art but there is no evidence of God at the link you posted. It is mostly a list of different kinds of atheism and the kinds of reasoning they use.
Mad Joe is an illiterate person who is incapable of understand the link he is provide...he merely stupidly looks at the word "evidence"!
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Just to clarify your muddled thinking, I was referring to people posting to this thread. Not one of them has ever provided evidence of a God.
Yes, but also the multi-millions out there not posting here...otherwise, any one coming up with evidence would be world breaking news!!!
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They all do the same dance about how you have to believe in order to believe or how it is impossible to prove God when what they mean is they can't and they just ignore the contradictions and the fiction.
Exactly.

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2017-08-10 00:14:14 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
Notice how not one shred of evidence pertaining to the existence of any
God is offered by any theist?
So shall it ever be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
Nope, no evidence there. Try again, ArtyJoe.
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2017-08-10 00:49:20 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
Notice how not one shred of evidence pertaining to the existence of any
God is offered by any theist?
So shall it ever be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
Nope, no evidence there. Try again, ArtyJoe.
BULLSHIT

3.1Arguments for the existence of God3
3.1.1Argument from beauty
3.1.2Argument from consciousness
3.1.3Aquinas' Five Ways
3.1.4Rational warrant
3.2Deductive arguments
3.2.1Ontological argument
3.3Inductive arguments
3.3.1Other arguments
3.4Subjective arguments
3.4.1Arguments from historical events or personages
3.4.2Arguments from testimony
3.4.2.1Arguments grounded in personal experiences
3.5Hindu arguments
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2017-08-10 00:59:07 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
Notice how not one shred of evidence pertaining to the existence of any
God is offered by any theist?
So shall it ever be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
Nope, no evidence there. Try again, ArtyJoe.
BULLSHIT
3.1Arguments for the existence of God3
3.1.1Argument from beauty
3.1.2Argument from consciousness
3.1.3Aquinas' Five Ways
3.1.4Rational warrant
3.2Deductive arguments
3.2.1Ontological argument
3.3Inductive arguments
3.3.1Other arguments
3.4Subjective arguments
3.4.1Arguments from historical events or personages
3.4.2Arguments from testimony
3.4.2.1Arguments grounded in personal experiences
3.5Hindu arguments
All those arguments are wrong, Artie Joe. One even uses *the
resurrection of Jesus* as an argument for God's existence!
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2017-08-10 01:08:46 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
Notice how not one shred of evidence pertaining to the existence of any
God is offered by any theist?
So shall it ever be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
Nope, no evidence there. Try again, ArtyJoe.
BULLSHIT
3.1Arguments for the existence of God3
3.1.1Argument from beauty
3.1.2Argument from consciousness
3.1.3Aquinas' Five Ways
3.1.4Rational warrant
3.2Deductive arguments
3.2.1Ontological argument
3.3Inductive arguments
3.3.1Other arguments
3.4Subjective arguments
3.4.1Arguments from historical events or personages
3.4.2Arguments from testimony
3.4.2.1Arguments grounded in personal experiences
3.5Hindu arguments
All those arguments are wrong, Artie Joe.
PROOF?????????????????????????????????????????



One even uses *the
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resurrection of Jesus* as an argument for God's existence!
That's a LIE.
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2017-08-10 01:05:19 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
Notice how not one shred of evidence pertaining to the existence of any
God is offered by any theist?
So shall it ever be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
Nope, no evidence there. Try again, ArtyJoe.
BULLSHIT
3.1Arguments for the existence of God3
3.1.1Argument from beauty
3.1.2Argument from consciousness
3.1.3Aquinas' Five Ways
3.1.4Rational warrant
3.2Deductive arguments
3.2.1Ontological argument
3.3Inductive arguments
3.3.1Other arguments
3.4Subjective arguments
3.4.1Arguments from historical events or personages
3.4.2Arguments from testimony
3.4.2.1Arguments grounded in personal experiences
3.5Hindu arguments
All bullshit.
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2017-08-10 01:09:48 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
Notice how not one shred of evidence pertaining to the existence of any
God is offered by any theist?
So shall it ever be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
Nope, no evidence there. Try again, ArtyJoe.
BULLSHIT
3.1Arguments for the existence of God3
3.1.1Argument from beauty
3.1.2Argument from consciousness
3.1.3Aquinas' Five Ways
3.1.4Rational warrant
3.2Deductive arguments
3.2.1Ontological argument
3.3Inductive arguments
3.3.1Other arguments
3.4Subjective arguments
3.4.1Arguments from historical events or personages
3.4.2Arguments from testimony
3.4.2.1Arguments grounded in personal experiences
3.5Hindu arguments
All bullshit.
WOW! That's a very persuasive argument. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yap Honghor
2017-08-10 01:08:08 UTC
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Now we can move on to something real.
Notice how not one shred of evidence pertaining to the existence of any God is offered by any theist?
So shall it ever be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
Moron, since when a wikipedia information talking about the arguments become a piece of evidence????

You have to be very stupid to provide the link without understanding its content!!!!!!!
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