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Veritable Proof That Jesus of Nazareth Never Really "Died" On the Cross.
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Greywolf
2018-03-29 21:35:00 UTC
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
aaa
2018-03-29 23:12:44 UTC
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
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Greywolf
2018-03-30 00:03:01 UTC
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
--
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
__________

You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no doubt about it.

I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.

Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
aaa
2018-03-30 02:26:16 UTC
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
Greywolf
2018-03-30 02:47:03 UTC
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
--
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
_______

So, are you saying that Jesus' "death" on the cross was nothing more than "theater"? That the "mortal" Jesus of Nazareth never experienced true death?

If not, his "performance" on the cross should have received a resounding round of applause from those looking on--after taking out the nails from his feet and wrists. What astonishingly superb acting!

Did I read you right: Are you saying that Jesus didn't die purely because of His *belief* in God the Father? Well, why the hell then did omniscient God the Father bother to have him nailed to that cross in the first place?

Wanted to enjoy superb acting?

You sound like you believe Jesus was completely, 100% human.

What about John 1:1 coupled with John 1:14?

Still hold to the belief that Jesus was only human and completely devoid of deity?

Aw, fess-up, you didn't bother to even read the post, now did you?
aaa
2018-03-30 10:54:20 UTC
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace,
freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God
Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If
I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you
didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you
a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about
the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His
faith in God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe
he would die. With his example, he has shown us the way of
salvation. It's not about death. It's about life in the
resurrection Christ consciousness.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
_______
So, are you saying that Jesus' "death" on the cross was nothing more
than "theater"? That the "mortal" Jesus of Nazareth never experienced
true death?
Not at all. Jesus did experience death on the cross. Not only did he
experience death but also defeated death as the result. I will stress my
point one more time. It's not about death. It's about defeating death.
The distinction can't be more clear than that. To life, death is always
a dreadful thing. However, in defeating death, there is no fear of death.
Post by Greywolf
If not, his "performance" on the cross should have received a
resounding round of applause from those looking on--after taking out
the nails from his feet and wrists. What astonishingly superb
acting!
Did I read you right: Are you saying that Jesus didn't die purely
because of His *belief* in God the Father? Well, why the hell then
did omniscient God the Father bother to have him nailed to that cross
in the first place?
Wanted to enjoy superb acting?
You sound like you believe Jesus was completely, 100% human.
That's stupid interpretation. God and man are never truly separated. Man
can't live without God, and God never considers man to be separated from
him. A 100% man without God is called corpse.
Post by Greywolf
What about John 1:1 coupled with John 1:14?
Still hold to the belief that Jesus was only human and completely devoid of deity?
I don't know what that means.
Post by Greywolf
Aw, fess-up, you didn't bother to even read the post, now did you?
Your article is so full of error that I can't begin to make corrections.
That's why I chose not to talk about it.
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Melzzzzz
2018-03-30 04:07:27 UTC
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Post by aaa
The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
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Greywolf
2018-03-30 06:44:42 UTC
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
Well! If He didn't really "die," that means Jesus never absolved mankind of its "sins."

Wasn't the whole point of Jesus' being born here on earth was in order to have him die on the cross for the redemption of man's sins via that "other" God, God the Father?

All that play-acting for nothing. Don't you think?
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aaa
2018-03-30 11:49:48 UTC
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating
death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace,
freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God
Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If
I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you
didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give
you a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about
the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His
faith in God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe
he would die. With his example, he has shown us the way of
salvation. It's not about death. It's about life in the
resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
Well! If He didn't really "die," that means Jesus never absolved mankind of its "sins."
Wasn't the whole point of Jesus' being born here on earth was in
order to have him die on the cross for the redemption of man's sins
via that "other" God, God the Father?
All that play-acting for nothing. Don't you think?
False. The whole point of Jesus being born here on earth was to have him
defeating death on the cross to show us the salvation through the faith
in Jesus Christ.
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happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
Melzzzzz
2018-03-30 14:54:15 UTC
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
Well! If He didn't really "die," that means Jesus never absolved mankind of its "sins."
Wasn't the whole point of Jesus' being born here on earth was in order
to have him die on the cross for the redemption of man's sins via that
"other" God, God the Father?
All that play-acting for nothing. Don't you think?
Yeah ;)
Story is far streched to make sense of it ;)
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aaa
2018-03-30 10:38:44 UTC
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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Post by aaa
The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of the
faith of Jesus.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
Greywolf
2018-03-30 14:12:59 UTC
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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Post by aaa
The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of the
faith of Jesus.
________________

Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from? You've made that all up, haven't you?

Only "his consciousness as a man died"? Sorry, all that could possibly mean is that Jesus was "unconscious," not dead. Your "conscious" dies when you're physically dead. And I mean kicked the bucket. But Jesus never actually died.

Read that article before posting any more of your drivel. At least we'll be working from the same playbook

If you're too afraid to read it, then just admit your wrong and move on.
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Kevrob
2018-03-30 14:26:55 UTC
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of the
faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from? You've made that all up, haven't you?
Only "his consciousness as a man died"? Sorry, all that could possibly mean is that Jesus was "unconscious," not dead. Your "conscious" dies when you're physically dead. And I mean kicked the bucket. But Jesus never actually died.
Read that article before posting any more of your drivel. At least we'll be working from the same playbook
If you're too afraid to read it, then just admit your wrong and move on.
`wolf, Niu Nian is a confessed survivor of a massive brain injury,
and as such has serious mental problems OR.......

It's a Poe pretending to same.

Nothing it writes makes sense, unless you assume the persona is one
massive troll. The alternate explanation, that this is a person who
has religious obsessions and very little actual knowledge of what
he/she is writing about, is also plausible.

Kevin R
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2018-03-30 14:34:55 UTC
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https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/which-jesus-died-on-the-cross/
I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of the
faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from? You've made that all up, haven't you?
Only "his consciousness as a man died"? Sorry, all that could possibly mean is that Jesus was "unconscious," not dead. Your "conscious" dies when you're physically dead. And I mean kicked the bucket. But Jesus never actually died.
Read that article before posting any more of your drivel. At least we'll be working from the same playbook
If you're too afraid to read it, then just admit your wrong and move on.
`wolf, Niu Nian is a confessed survivor of a massive brain injury,
and as such has serious mental problems OR.......
It's a Poe pretending to same.
Nothing it writes makes sense, unless you assume the persona is one
massive troll. The alternate explanation, that this is a person who
has religious obsessions and very little actual knowledge of what
he/she is writing about, is also plausible.
Kevin R
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Thanks for the info. It's tragic.
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2018-04-01 04:42:51 UTC
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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Post by aaa
The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of the
faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from? You've made that all up, haven't you?
Only "his consciousness as a man died"? Sorry, all that could possibly mean is that Jesus was "unconscious," not dead. Your "conscious" dies when you're physically dead. And I mean kicked the bucket. But Jesus never actually died.
Read that article before posting any more of your drivel. At least we'll be working from the same playbook
If you're too afraid to read it, then just admit your wrong and move on.
`wolf, Niu Nian is a confessed survivor of a massive brain injury,
and as such has serious mental problems OR.......
It's a Poe pretending to same.
Nothing it writes makes sense, unless you assume the persona is one
massive troll. The alternate explanation, that this is a person who
has religious obsessions and very little actual knowledge of what
he/she is writing about, is also plausible.
Kevin R
And,after all this time writing about philosophy, now he only writes
religion. And after saying that he never read the Bible, it becomes
more and more obvious that this isn't true. I think he's finally
realized that we atheists are not going to feed him advice on how to
start his own cult. He's becoming more and more just another theist
troll. He still repeats himself constantly and is still plain old
boring. Just one more narcissist in a herd of theist narcissists. It
really doesn't even matter if his head injury story is true or not.
One way or another, he's a phony and a troll. And, he's compulsive.
Don Martin
2018-04-01 14:03:48 UTC
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And,after all this time writing about philosophy, now he only writes
religion. And after saying that he never read the Bible, it becomes
more and more obvious that this isn't true. I think he's finally
realized that we atheists are not going to feed him advice on how to
start his own cult. He's becoming more and more just another theist
troll. He still repeats himself constantly and is still plain old
boring. Just one more narcissist in a herd of theist narcissists. It
really doesn't even matter if his head injury story is true or not.
One way or another, he's a phony and a troll. And, he's compulsive.
Repulsive is not spelled with a "com".
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And,after all this time writing about philosophy, now he only writes
religion. And after saying that he never read the Bible, it becomes more
and more obvious that this isn't true. I think he's finally realized
that we atheists are not going to feed him advice on how to start his
own cult. He's becoming more and more just another theist troll. He
still repeats himself constantly and is still plain old boring. Just
one more narcissist in a herd of theist narcissists. It really doesn't
even matter if his head injury story is true or not. One way or another,
he's a phony and a troll. And, he's compulsive.
Repulsive is not spelled with a "com".
Repulsiveness is the best of his qualities.
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And,after all this time writing about philosophy, now he only writes
religion. And after saying that he never read the Bible, it becomes more
and more obvious that this isn't true. I think he's finally realized
that we atheists are not going to feed him advice on how to start his
own cult. He's becoming more and more just another theist troll. He
still repeats himself constantly and is still plain old boring. Just
one more narcissist in a herd of theist narcissists. It really doesn't
even matter if his head injury story is true or not. One way or another,
he's a phony and a troll. And, he's compulsive.
Repulsive is not spelled with a "com".
Repulsiveness is the best of his qualities.
Even the slimiest, most malodorous turd has something to add to the
food chain.
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And,after all this time writing about philosophy, now he only writes
religion. And after saying that he never read the Bible, it becomes
more and more obvious that this isn't true. I think he's finally
realized that we atheists are not going to feed him advice on how to
start his own cult. He's becoming more and more just another theist
troll. He still repeats himself constantly and is still plain old
boring. Just one more narcissist in a herd of theist narcissists. It
really doesn't even matter if his head injury story is true or not.
One way or another,
he's a phony and a troll. And, he's compulsive.
Repulsive is not spelled with a "com".
Repulsiveness is the best of his qualities.
Even the slimiest, most malodorous turd has something to add to the food
chain.
E-coli.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating
death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace,
freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God
Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like
you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give
you a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking
about the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't
die. His faith in God has withstood the threat of death. He
didn't believe he would die. With his example, he has shown us
the way of salvation. It's not about death. It's about life in
the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose
from death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because
of the faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from?
You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
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Only "his consciousness as a man died"? Sorry, all that could
possibly mean is that Jesus was "unconscious," not dead. Your
"conscious" dies when you're physically dead. And I mean kicked the
bucket. But Jesus never actually died.
Not so. The body doesn't control life. It's the consciousness that
controls life.
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Read that article before posting any more of your drivel. At least
we'll be working from the same playbook
Your article doesn't appear to match my understanding. You need to
upgrade a little bit.
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If you're too afraid to read it, then just admit your wrong and move on.
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Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating
death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace,
freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God
Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like
you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give
you a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking
about the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't
die. His faith in God has withstood the threat of death. He
didn't believe he would die. With his example, he has shown us
the way of salvation. It's not about death. It's about life in
the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose
from death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because
of the faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from?
You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
"A personal understanding is no different from
a claim. It still needs to be proven first."
"aaa", March 28 2018
http://tinyurl.com/y99wc8f2
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating
death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace,
freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God
Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like
you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give
you a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking
about the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't
die. His faith in God has withstood the threat of death. He
didn't believe he would die. With his example, he has shown us
the way of salvation. It's not about death. It's about life in
the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose
from death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because
of the faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from?
You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
"A personal understanding is no different from
a claim. It still needs to be proven first."
"aaa", March 28 2018
http://tinyurl.com/y99wc8f2
What I have learned comes from my personal experience. I'm sure you will
realize the same thing when you can have the similar experience.
--
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Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace,
freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God
Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If
I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you
didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you
a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about
the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His
faith in God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe
he would die. With his example, he has shown us the way of
salvation. It's not about death. It's about life in the
resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of
the faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from?
You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
"A personal understanding is no different from a claim. It still needs
to be proven first."
"aaa", March 28 2018 http://tinyurl.com/y99wc8f2
What I have learned comes from my personal experience. I'm sure you will
realize the same thing when you can have the similar experience.
Why would we want to be insane like you?
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace,
freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God
Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If
I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you
didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you
a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about
the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His
faith in God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe
he would die. With his example, he has shown us the way of
salvation. It's not about death. It's about life in the
resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of
the faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from?
You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
"A personal understanding is no different from a claim. It still needs
to be proven first."
"aaa", March 28 2018 http://tinyurl.com/y99wc8f2
What I have learned comes from my personal experience. I'm sure you will
realize the same thing when you can have the similar experience.
Why would we want to be insane like you?
Because there is nothing insane to acquire your own spiritual experience
of love, happiness, and truth.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace,
freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God
Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If
I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you
didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you
a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about
the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His
faith in God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe
he would die. With his example, he has shown us the way of
salvation. It's not about death. It's about life in the
resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of
the faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from?
You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
"A personal understanding is no different from a claim. It still needs
to be proven first."
"aaa", March 28 2018 http://tinyurl.com/y99wc8f2
What I have learned comes from my personal experience. I'm sure you will
realize the same thing when you can have the similar experience.
Why would we want to be insane like you?
Because there is nothing insane to acquire your own spiritual experience
of love, happiness, and truth.
--
Oh yes it is--when you're "spiritual experience" is based on nothing but non-existent facts and self-delusion.

Face it, you're promoting a belief you couldn't prove true to save your very life. But expect others to accept it as fact.

How about a there "MAYBE" a God, but as of yet, there's no irrefutable evidence for one. You'd earn a lot more respect for telling the "truth."
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about
defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
consciousness, intelligence, happiness, faith,
courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life
itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the
post. The God Jesus could not have possibly
"died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother
to read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your
response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you.
It may give you a perspective you haven't
contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So
talking about the death of Jesus is misleading.
After all, he didn't die. His faith in God has
withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he
would die. With his example, he has shown us the
way of salvation. It's not about death. It's about
life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly
resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the
cross. His consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death. It's a battle
against death, and Christ has won because of the faith
of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up
from? You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
"A personal understanding is no different from a claim. It
still needs to be proven first." "aaa", March 28 2018
http://tinyurl.com/y99wc8f2
What I have learned comes from my personal experience. I'm sure
you will realize the same thing when you can have the similar
experience.
Why would we want to be insane like you?
Because there is nothing insane to acquire your own spiritual
experience of love, happiness, and truth.
--
Oh yes it is--when you're "spiritual experience" is based on nothing
but non-existent facts and self-delusion.
Pure projection and wishful thinking. You have no evidence to prove your
claim.
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Face it, you're promoting a belief you couldn't prove true to save
your very life. But expect others to accept it as fact.
False. I'm talking about my actual spiritual experience in life that can
be acquired by everyone in this world. I don't have to prove anything.
The actual experience in life in following the teaching of Jesus is for
everyone to find out in their own life. It's open to all because the
truth of God is open to all.
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How about a there "MAYBE" a God, but as of yet, there's no
irrefutable evidence for one. You'd earn a lot more respect for
telling the "truth."
Since I have shown the evidence of God with my signature, God's
existence should be a certain fact for everyone to find out instead of a
mere "maybe".
--
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Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about
defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
consciousness, intelligence, happiness, faith,
courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life
itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the
post. The God Jesus could not have possibly
"died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother
to read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your
response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you.
It may give you a perspective you haven't
contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So
talking about the death of Jesus is misleading.
After all, he didn't die. His faith in God has
withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he
would die. With his example, he has shown us the
way of salvation. It's not about death. It's about
life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly
resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the
cross. His consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death. It's a battle
against death, and Christ has won because of the faith
of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up
from? You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
"A personal understanding is no different from a claim. It
still needs to be proven first." "aaa", March 28 2018
http://tinyurl.com/y99wc8f2
What I have learned comes from my personal experience. I'm sure
you will realize the same thing when you can have the similar
experience.
Why would we want to be insane like you?
Because there is nothing insane to acquire your own spiritual
experience of love, happiness, and truth.
--
Oh yes it is--when you're "spiritual experience" is based on nothing
but non-existent facts and self-delusion.
Pure projection and wishful thinking. You have no evidence to prove your
claim.
Not true. You've yet to prove any of your theological claims are actually true.

I, on the other hand, have proven that the Christian religion is based on one lie piled atop another.

You've at least *some* of my handiwork. And also the refutations presented you by other atheists.

But when one boasts that he doesn't take "negative claims seriously," you lose any credibility you may have had and have no ground to stand on any further.

In other words, you've negated your *own* self.
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Face it, you're promoting a belief you couldn't prove true to save
your very life. But expect others to accept it as fact.
False. I'm talking about my actual spiritual experience in life that can
be acquired by everyone in this world.
Funny, that's just a claim that you couldn't *possibly* prove true.

I don't have to prove anything.

Yes you do. You're the one making claims and expecting others to accept them as fact willy-nilly. Why on planet earth should anyone believe such nonsense?
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The actual experience in life in following the teaching of Jesus is for
everyone to find out in their own life.
In case you haven't noticed, this is an atheist forum. The claims about Jesus are patently ridiculous and preposterous. Although I *will* give you that he uttered some very wise things. But so have any number of ancient wise men.

It's open to all because the
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truth of God is open to all.
You're forgetting that you're talking about one of three Gods that deliberately created very evil itself--knowing full well what the utterly catastrophic results would be.

Who in their right mind would worship such a vile, monstrous creature?
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How about a there "MAYBE" a God, but as of yet, there's no
irrefutable evidence for one. You'd earn a lot more respect for
telling the "truth."
Since I have shown the evidence of God with my signature, God's
existence should be a certain fact for everyone to find out instead of a
mere "maybe".
That's pure unsubstantiated rubbish--and you *know* it. There's no reason on *earth* to believe such nonsense. It's only your belief, nothing more.

Again, when you boast that you don't take negative claims seriously, you've basically neutered yourself. How in the world is someone to have a meaningful back-and-forth with an obstinate, pig-headed, close-minded religious nut-job?

Explain, please.
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defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
consciousness, intelligence, happiness, faith,
courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life
itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the
post. The God Jesus could not have possibly
"died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother
to read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your
response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you.
It may give you a perspective you haven't
contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So
talking about the death of Jesus is misleading.
After all, he didn't die. His faith in God has
withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he
would die. With his example, he has shown us the
way of salvation. It's not about death. It's about
life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly
resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the
cross. His consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death. It's a battle
against death, and Christ has won because of the faith
of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up
from? You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
"A personal understanding is no different from a claim. It
still needs to be proven first." "aaa", March 28 2018
http://tinyurl.com/y99wc8f2
What I have learned comes from my personal experience. I'm sure
you will realize the same thing when you can have the similar
experience.
Why would we want to be insane like you?
Because there is nothing insane to acquire your own spiritual
experience of love, happiness, and truth.
--
Oh yes it is--when you're "spiritual experience" is based on nothing
but non-existent facts and self-delusion.
Pure projection and wishful thinking. You have no evidence to prove your
claim.
Not true. You've yet to prove any of your theological claims are actually true.
I, on the other hand, have proven that the Christian religion is based on one lie piled atop another.
You've at least *some* of my handiwork. And also the refutations presented you by other atheists.
But when one boasts that he doesn't take "negative claims seriously," you lose any credibility you may have had and have no ground to stand on any further.
In other words, you've negated your *own* self.
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Face it, you're promoting a belief you couldn't prove true to save
your very life. But expect others to accept it as fact.
False. I'm talking about my actual spiritual experience in life that can
be acquired by everyone in this world.
Funny, that's just a claim that you couldn't *possibly* prove true.
I don't have to prove anything.
Yes you do. You're the one making claims and expecting others to accept them as fact willy-nilly. Why on planet earth should anyone believe such nonsense?
Post by Greywolf
The actual experience in life in following the teaching of Jesus is for
everyone to find out in their own life.
In case you haven't noticed, this is an atheist forum. The claims about Jesus are patently ridiculous and preposterous. Although I *will* give you that he uttered some very wise things. But so have any number of ancient wise men.
It's open to all because the
Post by Greywolf
truth of God is open to all.
You're forgetting that you're talking about one of three Gods that deliberately created very evil itself--knowing full well what the utterly catastrophic results would be.
Who in their right mind would worship such a vile, monstrous creature?
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How about a there "MAYBE" a God, but as of yet, there's no
irrefutable evidence for one. You'd earn a lot more respect for
telling the "truth."
Since I have shown the evidence of God with my signature, God's
existence should be a certain fact for everyone to find out instead of a
mere "maybe".
That's pure unsubstantiated rubbish--and you *know* it. There's no reason on *earth* to believe such nonsense. It's only your belief, nothing more.
Again, when you boast that you don't take negative claims seriously, you've basically neutered yourself. How in the world is someone to have a meaningful back-and-forth with an obstinate, pig-headed, close-minded religious nut-job?
Explain, please.
god is not of this earth
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's
about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion,
knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace,
freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of
the post. The God Jesus could not have
possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even
bother to read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
But your response sure seems like you
didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten
you. It may give you a perspective you
haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die.
So talking about the death of Jesus is
misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith
in God has withstood the threat of death. He
didn't believe he would die. With his example,
he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not
about death. It's about life in the
resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and
supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the
cross. His consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death. It's a
battle against death, and Christ has won because of
the faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter
nonsense up from? You've made that all up, haven't
you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
"A personal understanding is no different from a claim.
It still needs to be proven first." "aaa", March 28 2018
http://tinyurl.com/y99wc8f2
What I have learned comes from my personal experience. I'm
sure you will realize the same thing when you can have the
similar experience.
Why would we want to be insane like you?
Because there is nothing insane to acquire your own spiritual
experience of love, happiness, and truth.
--
Oh yes it is--when you're "spiritual experience" is based on
nothing but non-existent facts and self-delusion.
Pure projection and wishful thinking. You have no evidence to prove
your claim.
Not true. You've yet to prove any of your theological claims are actually true.
I never talk about theology. What are you talking about?
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I, on the other hand, have proven that the Christian religion is
based on one lie piled atop another.
You've at least *some* of my handiwork. And also the refutations
presented you by other atheists.
But when one boasts that he doesn't take "negative claims seriously,"
you lose any credibility you may have had and have no ground to stand
on any further.
In other words, you've negated your *own* self.
No, I don't have to take blind denial seriously. That's quite obvious
and self-explanatory.
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Face it, you're promoting a belief you couldn't prove true to
save your very life. But expect others to accept it as fact.
False. I'm talking about my actual spiritual experience in life
that can be acquired by everyone in this world.
Funny, that's just a claim that you couldn't *possibly* prove true.
I don't have to prove it. I'm just an ordinary person like everyone
else. What happens in my life can happen in everyone's life. There is
nothing special about that.
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I don't have to prove anything.
Yes you do. You're the one making claims and expecting others to
accept them as fact willy-nilly. Why on planet earth should anyone
believe such nonsense?
You continue to miss my actual point. I don't need you to believe what I
said about my own life experience. I only need you to understand it so
that you may find the similar experience in your own life to verify what
I said. It means nothing to you to blindly believe me. You have to
acquire your own spiritual understanding to make it your own treasure in
life. Comparing with what you will find in your own life, my mere
personal understanding is nothing. It doesn't need to be looked at again
once you have found what you are looking for.
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Post by aaa
The actual experience in life in following the teaching of Jesus is
for everyone to find out in their own life.
In case you haven't noticed, this is an atheist forum. The claims
about Jesus are patently ridiculous and preposterous. Although I
*will* give you that he uttered some very wise things. But so have
any number of ancient wise men.
Jesus may mean nothing to you, but Jesus Christ means everything to me
because everything I know comes from following his teaching. Without his
teaching, I wouldn't know anything, and I certainly wouldn't be here to
debate with you.
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It's open to all because the
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truth of God is open to all.
You're forgetting that you're talking about one of three Gods that
deliberately created very evil itself--knowing full well what the
utterly catastrophic results would be.
Who in their right mind would worship such a vile, monstrous
creature?
No one but you obviously, since that's only your own misinterpretation
of the Bible.
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How about a there "MAYBE" a God, but as of yet, there's no
irrefutable evidence for one. You'd earn a lot more respect for
telling the "truth."
Since I have shown the evidence of God with my signature, God's
existence should be a certain fact for everyone to find out instead
of a mere "maybe".
That's pure unsubstantiated rubbish--and you *know* it. There's no
reason on *earth* to believe such nonsense. It's only your belief,
nothing more.
Not true. The things in my signature can't be my mere belief. They are
open to all people as the most important things in all of their lives.
You can deny all the things in the world, but you will never able to
deny any of these things in my signature.
Post by Greywolf
Again, when you boast that you don't take negative claims seriously,
you've basically neutered yourself. How in the world is someone to
have a meaningful back-and-forth with an obstinate, pig-headed,
close-minded religious nut-job?
Explain, please.
I don't have to take the negative claims seriously because they are
often nothing but blind denial unsupported by actual evidence. Until one
can provide the evidence to make their negative claim a positive one, I
don't have to care about it.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's
about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion,
knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace,
freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of
the post. The God Jesus could not have
possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even
bother to read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
But your response sure seems like you
didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten
you. It may give you a perspective you
haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die.
So talking about the death of Jesus is
misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith
in God has withstood the threat of death. He
didn't believe he would die. With his example,
he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not
about death. It's about life in the
resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and
supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the
cross. His consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death. It's a
battle against death, and Christ has won because of
the faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter
nonsense up from? You've made that all up, haven't
you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
"A personal understanding is no different from a claim.
It still needs to be proven first." "aaa", March 28 2018
http://tinyurl.com/y99wc8f2
What I have learned comes from my personal experience. I'm
sure you will realize the same thing when you can have the
similar experience.
Why would we want to be insane like you?
Because there is nothing insane to acquire your own spiritual
experience of love, happiness, and truth.
--
Oh yes it is--when you're "spiritual experience" is based on
nothing but non-existent facts and self-delusion.
Pure projection and wishful thinking. You have no evidence to prove
your claim.
Not true. You've yet to prove any of your theological claims are actually true.
I never talk about theology. What are you talking about?
When a person is promoting their religious views, they are expressing their theological viewpoint They go hand-in-hand.
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I, on the other hand, have proven that the Christian religion is
based on one lie piled atop another.
You've at least *some* of my handiwork. And also the refutations
presented you by other atheists.
But when one boasts that he doesn't take "negative claims seriously,"
you lose any credibility you may have had and have no ground to stand
on any further.
In other words, you've negated your *own* self.
No, I don't have to take blind denial seriously. That's quite obvious
and self-explanatory.
Your problem is that you're on record boasting that you "don't take negative claims seriously." That makes you an implacable, close-minded, brainwashed religious zealot who will refuse ANY evidence you're wrong. So you *have* negated yourself.

How do you expect a person to have a meaningful dialog with a person who admits he automatically rejects any evidence presented him out of hand?

Face it, you're just a brainwashed loony-tune who's here only to annoy and antagonize atheists. What other reason could there possibly be for someone as pig-headed as yourself?
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Face it, you're promoting a belief you couldn't prove true to
save your very life. But expect others to accept it as fact.
False. I'm talking about my actual spiritual experience in life
that can be acquired by everyone in this world.
Funny, that's just a claim that you couldn't *possibly* prove true.
I don't have to prove it. I'm just an ordinary person like everyone
else. What happens in my life can happen in everyone's life.
So someone brainwashed you into believing that Jesus lives within you. You idiot. Other people have been brainwashed into believing Mohammad ascended through seven heavens before standing in the presence of Allah. They know its true in their heart.

Do you feel the same feeling in *your* heart?

What's that? They're full of it, you say. Well, wouldn't those same brainwashed people say *you* are?

Look, I can close my eyes a picture a God sitting on a majestic throne. I can picture Jesus sitting on a throne just to the right of Him.

Wow! Was that real? Did I actually have a "vision" of the two Gods together? Or was I imagining it? You know, like *you* are imagining you have Jesus in your heart.

There is
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nothing special about that.
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I don't have to prove anything.
Yes you do. You're the one making claims and expecting others to
accept them as fact willy-nilly. Why on planet earth should anyone
believe such nonsense?
You continue to miss my actual point. I don't need you to believe what I
said about my own life experience.
Well, I most certainly don't. But since you can't prove a word of it, what place does it have in this forum?

I only need you to understand it so
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that you may find the similar experience in your own life to verify what
I said.
Look, pal. Just because you feel you've been touched by the divine doesn't make it true. And IF imaginary God wants to communicate His presence with me, what in the hell is stopping Him." Simple unbelief? Really? That could prevent the Creator of the Universe, an entity with all that supernatural power, from communicating with me because I believe He's completely make-believe?

Hah! Some "God" you have there.

It means nothing to you to blindly believe me. You have to
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acquire your own spiritual understanding to make it your own treasure in
life.
You know on thing I truly treasure in life? It's the fact that I've not succumbed to the brainwashing *you* have--among other things. Like the Green Bay Packers and Michigan State Spartans.

Comparing with what you will find in your own life, my mere
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personal understanding is nothing.
You got *that* right!

It doesn't need to be looked at again
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once you have found what you are looking for.
Do I puke now, or later.
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The actual experience in life in following the teaching of Jesus is
for everyone to find out in their own life.
Look, I have no problem with some of Jesus' sayings. The Golden Rule is just wonderful. But cut it out with all the supernatural mumbo-jumbo.
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In case you haven't noticed, this is an atheist forum. The claims
about Jesus are patently ridiculous and preposterous. Although I
*will* give you that he uttered some very wise things. But so have
any number of ancient wise men.
Jesus may mean nothing to you, but Jesus Christ means everything to me
because everything I know comes from following his teaching.
Isn't that wonderful. Now why don't you take that wonderful feeling and park your butt in a Christian forum where you belong.

Without his
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teaching, I wouldn't know anything, and I certainly wouldn't be here to
debate with you.
Oh, c'mon! You sound as though you would be brain dead if you didn't have an imaginary Jesus parked in your "heart." That's simply not the case.
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It's open to all because the
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truth of God is open to all.
You're forgetting that you're talking about one of three Gods that
deliberately created very evil itself--knowing full well what the
utterly catastrophic results would be.
Who in their right mind would worship such a vile, monstrous
creature?
No one but you obviously, since that's only your own misinterpretation
of the Bible.
Point to the passage in Scripture where it categorically states that Jesus did NOT create evil. Colossians 1:16 states He created EVERYTHING, seen and unseen.
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How about a there "MAYBE" a God, but as of yet, there's no
irrefutable evidence for one. You'd earn a lot more respect for
telling the "truth."
Since I have shown the evidence of God with my signature, God's
existence should be a certain fact for everyone to find out instead
of a mere "maybe".
That's pure unsubstantiated rubbish--and you *know* it. There's no
reason on *earth* to believe such nonsense. It's only your belief,
nothing more.
Not true. The things in my signature can't be my mere belief.
They sure can, and are. Hell, you can't even provide irrefutable proof that God of your even exists. And, nevertheless, ascribe such wonderful qualities to an imaginary figment of the imagination?


Stop and think seriously about it: What in the *hell* prevents this God of yours from revealing Himself to every cotton-pickin' human on planet earth in some irrefutable way? What' His problem?

And why on earth would a "loving" God punish atheists with *eternal* suffering and torment because of HIS failure to provide irrefutable evidence He exists?

That's *monstrously* unfair, sadistic, and flat-out evil behavior.

They are
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open to all people as the most important things in all of their lives.
You can deny all the things in the world, but you will never able to
deny any of these things in my signature.
I sure *can* deny them. And that's because you've never proven your God even exists.

And remember, you're the one who has boasted that you don't take "negative claims seriously. So no amount of evidence pointing to the fact that your religious beliefs are bogus is going to sway you.

So, once again, why even post here if you're so implacable as to even take contrary claims to your belief-system seriously? What's the point in trying to have a serious back-and-forth if you're completely closed to the possibility you're wrong.

Explain yourself.
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Again, when you boast that you don't take negative claims seriously,
you've basically neutered yourself. How in the world is someone to
have a meaningful back-and-forth with an obstinate, pig-headed,
close-minded religious nut-job?
Explain, please.
I don't have to take the negative claims seriously because they are
often nothing but blind denial unsupported by actual evidence.
Baloney. The articles I've referred you to are based in scripture. The problem is that you don't like the results, so you shut your mind to them--regardless of the fact they're based on sound evidence.

See what brainwashing has done to you.

Until one
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can provide the evidence to make their negative claim a positive one, I
don't have to care about it.
Oh, they have to be "positive" claims or you'll reject them out of hand.

Think about what you're actually saying. And then give us one good reason why you shouldn't move on to a Christian forum. You've laid out your cards. You're not going to accept any kind of counter-evidence that proves you wrong.

So you're just wasting everyone's time--including yours.

Time for you to move on, Hoss. You'll be much happier in a Christian forum.
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--
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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When a person is promoting their religious views, they are expressing their
theological viewpoint They go hand-in-hand.

Shoot, that's like saying that, when you breathe, you are alive.
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I, on the other hand, have proven that the Christian religion is
based on one lie piled atop another.
Your problem is that you're on record boasting that you "don't take negative claims seriously." That makes you an implacable, close-minded, brainwashed religious zealot who will refuse ANY evidence you're wrong. So you *have* negated yourself.
How do you expect a person to have a meaningful dialog with a person who admits he automatically rejects any evidence presented him out of hand?
Face it, you're just a brainwashed loony-tune who's here only to annoy and antagonize atheists. What other reason could there possibly be for someone as pig-headed as yourself?
Your beliefs are massively in error is pre-supposing.
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So someone brainwashed you into believing that Jesus lives within you. You idiot. Other people have been brainwashed into believing Mohammad ascended through seven heavens before standing in the presence of Allah. They know its true in their heart.
Do you feel the same feeling in *your* heart?
Come on, grey, the SPIRIT of God lives in our hearts. Remember, Jesus sent the
Holy Spirit in his place when he ascended to the Father..

the dukester, American-American


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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating
death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace,
freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God
Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like
you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give
you a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking
about the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't
die. His faith in God has withstood the threat of death. He
didn't believe he would die. With his example, he has shown us
the way of salvation. It's not about death. It's about life in
the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose
from death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because
of the faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from?
You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
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Only "his consciousness as a man died"? Sorry, all that could
possibly mean is that Jesus was "unconscious," not dead. Your
"conscious" dies when you're physically dead. And I mean kicked the
bucket. But Jesus never actually died.
Not so. The body doesn't control life. It's the consciousness that
controls life.
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Read that article before posting any more of your drivel. At least
we'll be working from the same playbook
Your article doesn't appear to match my understanding. You need to
upgrade a little bit.
____________

That's too bad because what you're trying to maintain as fact is simply made-up nonsense. You couldn't prove it true to save your life.

If your brain, which is part of your physical body ceases to function altogether, you'll be dead. So "No," you're wrong. The conscious doesn't "control life." It's the brain that keeps you alive.

But more to the point, since Jesus was 100% Deity as *well* as 100% human inextricably bound together forming ONE entity, the conscious of Jesus the Man-God could never have "died"! He was ONE entity, One God, One being. A combination of deity and humanity born as ONE creature.

In claiming that Jesus' "consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from death" you're implying that the consciousness of the God part of Jesus died as well--and then came back to life. But even *you* would have to agree that at no point did the God part of Jesus actually "die."

Since the God part of Jesus never actually died, "Jesus" never actually died. It's that simple.

Even arguing that the consciousness of the human part of Jesus "died," you're still stuck with the fact that the consciousness of the God part of Jesus never did. It was conscious throughout the whole time Jesus is said to have been dead.

Now tell me that isn't true.

So the being known as Jesus of Nazareth never actually died.

Read that and weep. Maybe you'll come to your senses and realize what a load of malarkey you've been brainwashed with.

Don't get me wrong. I truly admire and respect those who I perceive to be true, honest Christians for the dignified, honorable way they carry themselves. They're truly good people. It's just that their religious beliefs have been built upon one lie after another, with no basis in fact.

That is simply the truth, sad to say. It really is.

Oh, by the way: Since Jesus never really died, that must mean that God the Father--you know, that *other* God--hasn't forgiven mankind of its "sins." The price for man's redemption, the Good Book tells us, was for Jesus to "die" on the cross. So that means God the Father's "bill" has never been paid in full.

As you can now see, He never really did.

How about *them* apples!
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about
defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
consciousness, intelligence, happiness, faith, courage,
justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The
God Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason
given leaves virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read
it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems
like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may
give you a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking
about the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he
didn't die. His faith in God has withstood the threat of
death. He didn't believe he would die. With his example, he
has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly
resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ
rose from death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has
won because of the faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from?
You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
Post by Greywolf
Only "his consciousness as a man died"? Sorry, all that could
possibly mean is that Jesus was "unconscious," not dead. Your
"conscious" dies when you're physically dead. And I mean kicked
the bucket. But Jesus never actually died.
Not so. The body doesn't control life. It's the consciousness that
controls life.
Post by Greywolf
Read that article before posting any more of your drivel. At
least we'll be working from the same playbook
Your article doesn't appear to match my understanding. You need to
upgrade a little bit.
____________
That's too bad because what you're trying to maintain as fact is
simply made-up nonsense. You couldn't prove it true to save your
life.
What I said is self-explanatory. I don't think I need to prove anything.
Post by Greywolf
If your brain, which is part of your physical body ceases to function
altogether, you'll be dead. So "No," you're wrong. The conscious
doesn't "control life." It's the brain that keeps you alive.
That's only what appears to you, but people on life support often do
have a functioning brain without consciousness. Medically, they might be
considered as alive, but in actuality, they are no different from being
dead. So only consciousness can decide whether one is alive or not.
Post by Greywolf
But more to the point, since Jesus was 100% Deity as *well* as 100%
human inextricably bound together forming ONE entity, the conscious
of Jesus the Man-God could never have "died"! He was ONE entity, One
God, One being. A combination of deity and humanity born as ONE
creature.
That's a generalization. The consciousness of men is fallible to sin.
The consciousness of God is infallible to sin. They are not the same
consciousness. The Salvation of Jesus is to show us the resurrection of
the consciousness of God that is called Christ consciousness.
Post by Greywolf
In claiming that Jesus' "consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death" you're implying that the
consciousness of the God part of Jesus died as well--and then came
back to life. But even *you* would have to agree that at no point did
the God part of Jesus actually "die."
We, as sinners, have lost our consciousness of God when we committed the
original sin by learning the knowledge of good and evil. We only have
the consciousness of man. Our consciousness of God has been dead since
the day we sinned for the first time. What Jesus did was to show us how
to resurrect our consciousness of God so that we can be free from sin
and suffering.
Post by Greywolf
Since the God part of Jesus never actually died, "Jesus" never
actually died. It's that simple.
I disagree. Jesus was born a man like everyone else. He called himself
the son of man. His divine consciousness was not fully realized until
resurrection. Regarding being actually died, that's open for
interpretation. Spiritually speaking, giving up one's own consciousness
is the same as being dead. It's more real than the actual physical death.

I agree Jesus didn't die, but I disagree he didn't actually experience
death.
Post by Greywolf
Even arguing that the consciousness of the human part of Jesus
"died," you're still stuck with the fact that the consciousness of
the God part of Jesus never did. It was conscious throughout the
whole time Jesus is said to have been dead.
Now tell me that isn't true.
That isn't true because Jesus never claimed to be God. He never claimed
to be incapable to sin. He was just an ordinary man like everyone else.
Post by Greywolf
So the being known as Jesus of Nazareth never actually died.
He didn't die, but he did experience death. That's why he defeated
death. He passed through death and realized his divine consciousness.
Post by Greywolf
Read that and weep. Maybe you'll come to your senses and realize what
a load of malarkey you've been brainwashed with.
That only shows your lack of understanding.
Post by Greywolf
Don't get me wrong. I truly admire and respect those who I perceive
to be true, honest Christians for the dignified, honorable way they
carry themselves. They're truly good people. It's just that their
religious beliefs have been built upon one lie after another, with no
basis in fact.
That would be your misunderstanding.
Post by Greywolf
That is simply the truth, sad to say. It really is.
Oh, by the way: Since Jesus never really died, that must mean that
God the Father--you know, that *other* God--hasn't forgiven mankind
of its "sins." The price for man's redemption, the Good Book tells
us, was for Jesus to "die" on the cross. So that means God the
Father's "bill" has never been paid in full.
As you can now see, He never really did.
How about *them* apples!
What apples? You never said a word about the apples.
--
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about
defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
consciousness, intelligence, happiness, faith, courage,
justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The
God Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason
given leaves virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read
it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems
like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may
give you a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking
about the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he
didn't die. His faith in God has withstood the threat of
death. He didn't believe he would die. With his example, he
has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly
resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross. His
consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ
rose from death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has
won because of the faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up from?
You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
Post by Greywolf
Only "his consciousness as a man died"? Sorry, all that could
possibly mean is that Jesus was "unconscious," not dead. Your
"conscious" dies when you're physically dead. And I mean kicked
the bucket. But Jesus never actually died.
Not so. The body doesn't control life. It's the consciousness that
controls life.
Post by Greywolf
Read that article before posting any more of your drivel. At
least we'll be working from the same playbook
Your article doesn't appear to match my understanding. You need to
upgrade a little bit.
____________
That's too bad because what you're trying to maintain as fact is
simply made-up nonsense. You couldn't prove it true to save your
life.
What I said is self-explanatory. I don't think I need to prove anything.
Yes, you do. You need to provide proof that the God Jesus actually died.
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If your brain, which is part of your physical body ceases to function
altogether, you'll be dead. So "No," you're wrong. The conscious
doesn't "control life." It's the brain that keeps you alive.
That's only what appears to you, but people on life support often do
have a functioning brain without consciousness. Medically, they might be
considered as alive, but in actuality, they are no different from being
dead. So only consciousness can decide whether one is alive or not.
People on life support may appear to be dead, they're still alive. Their brain may not be functioning as it should, but they're not dead, only unconscious.
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But more to the point, since Jesus was 100% Deity as *well* as 100%
human inextricably bound together forming ONE entity, the conscious
of Jesus the Man-God could never have "died"! He was ONE entity, One
God, One being. A combination of deity and humanity born as ONE
creature.
That's a generalization.
That's scriptural.

The consciousness of men is fallible to sin.
Post by Greywolf
The consciousness of God is infallible to sin. They are not the same
consciousness.
I'm just beginning work on the so-called "Hypostatic Union" of Christ, but to claim that Jesus had a veritable "two brains" in-one is laughable.

He was composed of deity AND man as ONE hybrid entity. Jesus' composition was that of a singular Man-God who *acted* as a singular creature.

Trying to assert that Jesus had two separate "natures" is nothing but a man-made concoction made up by the Church. But I have to hold my fire on this point until I do more research. But in the meantime I *have* done work on the "Kenosis Argument" which is related to the Hypostatic Union argument.

You can examine it here: https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2018/03/28/the-god-jesus-on-the-date-of-his-second-coming-part-1/

As you can see, it's an argument that falls flat on its face.


The Salvation of Jesus is to show us the resurrection of
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the consciousness of God that is called Christ consciousness.
I don't know how I can make this any plainer: The consciousness of the God part of Jesus of Nazareth NEVER died. It couldn't have, Jesus was a God. Even if the conscious of the human part of Jesus somehow died, the God part of Jesus never did. So while Jesus was undergoing the Passion, the total consciousness remained alive due to the fact that Jesus was deity.

At best, Jesus can only be said to have been unconscious. You can't pretend that the human in Jesus was separate from the God in Him. Both God and Man were completely intertwined to form ONE being.
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In claiming that Jesus' "consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death" you're implying that the
consciousness of the God part of Jesus died as well--and then came
back to life. But even *you* would have to agree that at no point did
the God part of Jesus actually "die."
We, as sinners, have lost our consciousness of God when we committed the
original sin by learning the knowledge of good and evil.
Oh, you've GOT to read this: https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/on-god-and-evil-about-that-tree-of-knowledge/

We only have
Post by Greywolf
the consciousness of man. Our consciousness of God has been dead since
the day we sinned for the first time.
Whose fault is that? Pssst. Read the article.

What Jesus did was to show us how
Post by Greywolf
to resurrect our consciousness of God so that we can be free from sin
and suffering.
According to the "Good Book," Jesus had to "die" in order for that other God to redeem man's sins.
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Since the God part of Jesus never actually died, "Jesus" never
actually died. It's that simple.
I disagree. Jesus was born a man like everyone else. He called himself
the son of man. His divine consciousness was not fully realized until
resurrection.
Baloney. Jesus could read the minds of people, raise people from the dead, and positively know the future. Read John 1:1 in conjunction with John 1:14 and tell me that Jesus wasn't a deity.

Regarding being actually died, that's open for
Post by Greywolf
interpretation.
Not really. You can believe anything you want, but the clear evidence is that Jesus of Nazareth never actually died. He couldn't because He was "God on earth," so Christian apologists tell us.

Spiritually speaking, giving up one's own consciousness
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is the same as being dead.
Sorry, but giving up one's consciousness leads to one being "unconscious."

It's more real than the actual physical death.
Post by Greywolf
I agree Jesus didn't die, but I disagree he didn't actually experience
death.
Hmmmm! Let me catch my breath here. I'm trying to figure out just how crazy of a statement that is.

Hold on, I'm still trying to figure out how that can actually be rational reply.

Nope it isn't!
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Even arguing that the consciousness of the human part of Jesus
"died," you're still stuck with the fact that the consciousness of
the God part of Jesus never did. It was conscious throughout the
whole time Jesus is said to have been dead.
Now tell me that isn't true.
That isn't true because Jesus never claimed to be God. He never claimed
to be incapable to sin. He was just an ordinary man like everyone else.
That is a positively minority opinion and has no basis in fact when compared to certain passages in scripture.
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Post by Greywolf
So the being known as Jesus of Nazareth never actually died.
He didn't die, but he did experience death. That's why he defeated
death. He passed through death and realized his divine consciousness.
Please explain how a person who never really dies, dies.
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Read that and weep. Maybe you'll come to your senses and realize what
a load of malarkey you've been brainwashed with.
That only shows your lack of understanding.
No, you've clearly shown that you've been brainwashed beyond repair. That's just the way it is. But you have every right to believe what you want to believe. Hell, believe there's cows grazing on the moon if you want to. But that doesn't make it true.
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Don't get me wrong. I truly admire and respect those who I perceive
to be true, honest Christians for the dignified, honorable way they
carry themselves. They're truly good people. It's just that their
religious beliefs have been built upon one lie after another, with no
basis in fact.
That would be your misunderstanding.
Baloney. Just remember this: Not a single human being in the entire history of mankind has EVER provided irrefutable proof for the actual existence of "God." NEVER. What does *that* tell you?

The Bible can be ripped to shreds for the amount mistranslation, historical error, unscientific nonsense, forgery, interpolation, false prophecy, and out-and-out fraud surrounding it.

Spare me.

If we lived in ancient Greece, I have no doubt you would be telling me how Zeus was worthy of worship as well. Probably based on a "gut-feeling" that he's real.
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That is simply the truth, sad to say. It really is.
Oh, by the way: Since Jesus never really died, that must mean that
God the Father--you know, that *other* God--hasn't forgiven mankind
of its "sins." The price for man's redemption, the Good Book tells
us, was for Jesus to "die" on the cross. So that means God the
Father's "bill" has never been paid in full.
As you can now see, He never really did.
How about *them* apples!
What apples? You never said a word about the apples.
It's a figure of speech.
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https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/which-jesus-died-on-the-cross/
I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about
defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
consciousness, intelligence, happiness, faith,
courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post.
The God Jesus could not have possibly "died." The
reason given leaves virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to
read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response
sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It
may give you a perspective you haven't contemplated
before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So
talking about the death of Jesus is misleading. After
all, he didn't die. His faith in God has withstood the
threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's
not about death. It's about life in the resurrection
Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly
resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross.
His consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as
Christ rose from death. It's a battle against death, and
Christ has won because of the faith of Jesus.
________________
Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up
from? You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
Post by Greywolf
Only "his consciousness as a man died"? Sorry, all that
could possibly mean is that Jesus was "unconscious," not
dead. Your "conscious" dies when you're physically dead. And
I mean kicked the bucket. But Jesus never actually died.
Not so. The body doesn't control life. It's the consciousness
that controls life.
Post by Greywolf
Read that article before posting any more of your drivel. At
least we'll be working from the same playbook
Your article doesn't appear to match my understanding. You need
to upgrade a little bit.
____________
That's too bad because what you're trying to maintain as fact is
simply made-up nonsense. You couldn't prove it true to save your
life.
What I said is self-explanatory. I don't think I need to prove anything.
Yes, you do. You need to provide proof that the God Jesus actually died.
Read the Gospels.
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If your brain, which is part of your physical body ceases to
function altogether, you'll be dead. So "No," you're wrong. The
conscious doesn't "control life." It's the brain that keeps you
alive.
That's only what appears to you, but people on life support often
do have a functioning brain without consciousness. Medically, they
might be considered as alive, but in actuality, they are no
different from being dead. So only consciousness can decide whether
one is alive or not.
People on life support may appear to be dead, they're still alive.
Their brain may not be functioning as it should, but they're not
dead, only unconscious.
Without consciousness means without a living soul. It's just a body
waiting for the soul to return. It's no different from being dead.
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But more to the point, since Jesus was 100% Deity as *well* as
100% human inextricably bound together forming ONE entity, the
conscious of Jesus the Man-God could never have "died"! He was
ONE entity, One God, One being. A combination of deity and
humanity born as ONE creature.
That's a generalization.
That's scriptural.
According to your interpretation.
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The consciousness of men is fallible to sin.
Post by aaa
The consciousness of God is infallible to sin. They are not the
same consciousness.
I'm just beginning work on the so-called "Hypostatic Union" of
Christ, but to claim that Jesus had a veritable "two brains" in-one
is laughable.
It's not about the brain. It's about the consciousness of the mind
coming from the heart.
Post by Greywolf
He was composed of deity AND man as ONE hybrid entity. Jesus'
composition was that of a singular Man-God who *acted* as a singular
creature.
This is open for interpretation. The consciousness from the spirit in
our heart is pure without sin. It's only contaminated by the sin in our
mind to become the fallible human consciousness.
Post by Greywolf
Trying to assert that Jesus had two separate "natures" is nothing but
a man-made concoction made up by the Church. But I have to hold my
fire on this point until I do more research. But in the meantime I
*have* done work on the "Kenosis Argument" which is related to the
Hypostatic Union argument.
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2018/03/28/the-god-jesus-on-the-date-of-his-second-coming-part-1/
As you can see, it's an argument that falls flat on its face.
The Salvation of Jesus is to show us the resurrection of
Post by aaa
the consciousness of God that is called Christ consciousness.
I don't know how I can make this any plainer: The consciousness of
the God part of Jesus of Nazareth NEVER died. It couldn't have, Jesus
was a God. Even if the conscious of the human part of Jesus somehow
died, the God part of Jesus never did. So while Jesus was undergoing
the Passion, the total consciousness remained alive due to the fact
that Jesus was deity.
God's consciousness never dies, but such consciousness in a human has
been tainted by sin to become fallible. It's the same consciousness, but
it's different from what it's supposed to be. God's consciousness will
never die, but human consciousness is possible to die.
Post by Greywolf
At best, Jesus can only be said to have been unconscious. You can't
pretend that the human in Jesus was separate from the God in Him.
Both God and Man were completely intertwined to form ONE being.
You are the one who tries to separate God and man. I disagree with your
opinion.
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In claiming that Jesus' "consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death" you're implying that
the consciousness of the God part of Jesus died as well--and then
came back to life. But even *you* would have to agree that at no
point did the God part of Jesus actually "die."
We, as sinners, have lost our consciousness of God when we
committed the original sin by learning the knowledge of good and
evil.
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/on-god-and-evil-about-that-tree-of-knowledge/
What is that? Another of your misinterpretation of the Bible?
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We only have
Post by aaa
the consciousness of man. Our consciousness of God has been dead
since the day we sinned for the first time.
Whose fault is that? Pssst. Read the article.
It has nothing to do with anyone's fault. It's what happened to mankind.
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What Jesus did was to show us how
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to resurrect our consciousness of God so that we can be free from
sin and suffering.
According to the "Good Book," Jesus had to "die" in order for that
other God to redeem man's sins.
That's your interpretation. I have said it already. It's not about
death. It's about defeating death.
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Since the God part of Jesus never actually died, "Jesus" never
actually died. It's that simple.
I disagree. Jesus was born a man like everyone else. He called
himself the son of man. His divine consciousness was not fully
realized until resurrection.
Baloney. Jesus could read the minds of people, raise people from the
dead, and positively know the future. Read John 1:1 in conjunction
with John 1:14 and tell me that Jesus wasn't a deity.
Despite all of that, he is still just an ordinary man.
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Regarding being actually died, that's open for
Post by aaa
interpretation.
Not really. You can believe anything you want, but the clear evidence
is that Jesus of Nazareth never actually died. He couldn't because He
was "God on earth," so Christian apologists tell us.
The fact remains that he did experience death and conquer death.
Post by Greywolf
Spiritually speaking, giving up one's own consciousness
Post by aaa
is the same as being dead.
Sorry, but giving up one's consciousness leads to one being
"unconscious."
That's no different from being dead.
Post by Greywolf
It's more real than the actual physical death.
Post by aaa
I agree Jesus didn't die, but I disagree he didn't actually
experience death.
Hmmmm! Let me catch my breath here. I'm trying to figure out just how
crazy of a statement that is.
Hold on, I'm still trying to figure out how that can actually be rational reply.
Nope it isn't!
He was physically dead for three days. You can't dispute that.
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Even arguing that the consciousness of the human part of Jesus
"died," you're still stuck with the fact that the consciousness
of the God part of Jesus never did. It was conscious throughout
the whole time Jesus is said to have been dead.
Now tell me that isn't true.
That isn't true because Jesus never claimed to be God. He never
claimed to be incapable to sin. He was just an ordinary man like
everyone else.
That is a positively minority opinion and has no basis in fact when
compared to certain passages in scripture.
I don't have to make Jesus a God in disguise. If he is a God in
disguise, then everyone on earth is also a God in disguise.
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So the being known as Jesus of Nazareth never actually died.
He didn't die, but he did experience death. That's why he defeated
death. He passed through death and realized his divine
consciousness.
Please explain how a person who never really dies, dies.
It's possible for the human consciousness to die. Anyone who has the
human consciousness can die.
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Read that and weep. Maybe you'll come to your senses and realize
what a load of malarkey you've been brainwashed with.
That only shows your lack of understanding.
No, you've clearly shown that you've been brainwashed beyond repair.
That's just the way it is. But you have every right to believe what
you want to believe. Hell, believe there's cows grazing on the moon
if you want to. But that doesn't make it true.
What I said is quite simple and easy to understand. It should have
nothing to do with any kind of brainwashing.
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Don't get me wrong. I truly admire and respect those who I
perceive to be true, honest Christians for the dignified,
honorable way they carry themselves. They're truly good people.
It's just that their religious beliefs have been built upon one
lie after another, with no basis in fact.
That would be your misunderstanding.
Baloney. Just remember this: Not a single human being in the entire
history of mankind has EVER provided irrefutable proof for the actual
existence of "God." NEVER. What does *that* tell you?
The Bible can be ripped to shreds for the amount mistranslation,
historical error, unscientific nonsense, forgery, interpolation,
false prophecy, and out-and-out fraud surrounding it.
Spare me.
If we lived in ancient Greece, I have no doubt you would be telling
me how Zeus was worthy of worship as well. Probably based on a
"gut-feeling" that he's real.
No, the teaching of Jesus is proof enough for anyone to follow Jesus.
It's our guiding light on our journey to God. Anyone who has been on
such journey will testify for his teaching.
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That is simply the truth, sad to say. It really is.
Oh, by the way: Since Jesus never really died, that must mean
that God the Father--you know, that *other* God--hasn't forgiven
mankind of its "sins." The price for man's redemption, the Good
Book tells us, was for Jesus to "die" on the cross. So that means
God the Father's "bill" has never been paid in full.
As you can now see, He never really did.
How about *them* apples!
What apples? You never said a word about the apples.
It's a figure of speech.
That must be one confused apple.
--
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Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about
defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
consciousness, intelligence, happiness, faith,
courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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You seem to have missed the whole point of the post.
The God Jesus could not have possibly "died." The
reason given leaves virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to
read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response
sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It
may give you a perspective you haven't contemplated
before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So
talking about the death of Jesus is misleading. After
all, he didn't die. His faith in God has withstood the
threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's
not about death. It's about life in the resurrection
Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly
resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross.
His consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as
Christ rose from death. It's a battle against death, and
Christ has won because of the faith of Jesus.
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Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense up
from? You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
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Only "his consciousness as a man died"? Sorry, all that
could possibly mean is that Jesus was "unconscious," not
dead. Your "conscious" dies when you're physically dead. And
I mean kicked the bucket. But Jesus never actually died.
Not so. The body doesn't control life. It's the consciousness
that controls life.
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Read that article before posting any more of your drivel. At
least we'll be working from the same playbook
Your article doesn't appear to match my understanding. You need
to upgrade a little bit.
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That's too bad because what you're trying to maintain as fact is
simply made-up nonsense. You couldn't prove it true to save your
life.
What I said is self-explanatory. I don't think I need to prove anything.
Yes, you do. You need to provide proof that the God Jesus actually died.
Read the Gospels.
Read this. Study it until you truly understand how Jesus could not have possibly died:

https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/which-jesus-died-on-the-cross/
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If your brain, which is part of your physical body ceases to
function altogether, you'll be dead. So "No," you're wrong. The
conscious doesn't "control life." It's the brain that keeps you
alive.
That's only what appears to you, but people on life support often
do have a functioning brain without consciousness. Medically, they
might be considered as alive, but in actuality, they are no
different from being dead. So only consciousness can decide whether
one is alive or not.
People on life support may appear to be dead, they're still alive.
Their brain may not be functioning as it should, but they're not
dead, only unconscious.
Without consciousness means without a living soul.
There's no proof whatever that a "soul" forms an actual part of the human body. It's really nothing more than a figure of speech, when you break it down.

Science can determine whether you're conscious or not. But there's no way of determining whether this "soul" of yours is living or dead. And that's because it's not measurable nor detectable.

It's just a body
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waiting for the soul to return. It's no different from being dead.
There's more of your made-up stuff again. But even if I grant that a soul is an actual "thing," the God in Jesus' "soul" never left. It remained within Jesus's body throughout the entire Passion and death. You seem to want to have Jesus be two separate bodies in one. But Jesus was a combination of deity and humanity forming only ONE entity, not two.
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But more to the point, since Jesus was 100% Deity as *well* as
100% human inextricably bound together forming ONE entity, the
conscious of Jesus the Man-God could never have "died"! He was
ONE entity, One God, One being. A combination of deity and
humanity born as ONE creature.
That's a generalization.
That's scriptural.
According to your interpretation.
Prove your point using scripture alone. And I'll find bible texts that will flatly contradict it.
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The consciousness of men is fallible to sin.
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The consciousness of God is infallible to sin. They are not the
same consciousness.
I'm just beginning work on the so-called "Hypostatic Union" of
Christ, but to claim that Jesus had a veritable "two brains" in-one
is laughable.
It's not about the brain. It's about the consciousness of the mind
coming from the heart.
That's just theological gibberish. Consciousness is centered in the brain. Do you actually believe that when someone has a heart transplant that they're getting a new "conscious" and losing their "old" one?
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He was composed of deity AND man as ONE hybrid entity. Jesus'
composition was that of a singular Man-God who *acted* as a singular
creature.
This is open for interpretation.
Again, prove your point using scripture. I'll then present you with bible verse that contradicts it.

The consciousness from the spirit in
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our heart is pure without sin.
Would that be "sin" your God purposely created when he Had the "evil serpent He created trick Eve into "sinning"?

It's only contaminated by the sin in our
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mind to become the fallible human consciousness.
What "sin in our mind"? Oh, you mean, say, impure thoughts, that an individual is never going to act upon?
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Trying to assert that Jesus had two separate "natures" is nothing but
a man-made concoction made up by the Church. But I have to hold my
fire on this point until I do more research. But in the meantime I
*have* done work on the "Kenosis Argument" which is related to the
Hypostatic Union argument.
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2018/03/28/the-god-jesus-on-the-date-of-his-second-coming-part-1/
As you can see, it's an argument that falls flat on its face.
What's the matter? Cat got your tongue?
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The Salvation of Jesus is to show us the resurrection of
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the consciousness of God that is called Christ consciousness.
I don't know how I can make this any plainer: The consciousness of
the God part of Jesus of Nazareth NEVER died. It couldn't have, Jesus
was a God. Even if the conscious of the human part of Jesus somehow
died, the God part of Jesus never did. So while Jesus was undergoing
the Passion, the total consciousness remained alive due to the fact
that Jesus was deity.
God's consciousness never dies,
That's precisely why we can say Jesus never really died. Thanks for buttressing my point for me.

but such consciousness in a human has
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been tainted by sin to become fallible. It's the same consciousness, but
it's different from what it's supposed to be. God's consciousness will
never die, but human consciousness is possible to die.
What in the *world* does that have to do with the pretend death of Jesus?
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At best, Jesus can only be said to have been unconscious. You can't
pretend that the human in Jesus was separate from the God in Him.
Both God and Man were completely intertwined to form ONE being.
You are the one who tries to separate God and man. I disagree with your
opinion.
Would that be a God (or three Gods) that you couldn't POSSIBLY prove exists? Would that be the make-believe God, the non-existent God, the completely made-up God, or the completely imaginary one?
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In claiming that Jesus' "consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death" you're implying that
the consciousness of the God part of Jesus died as well--and then
came back to life. But even *you* would have to agree that at no
point did the God part of Jesus actually "die."
We, as sinners, have lost our consciousness of God when we
committed the original sin by learning the knowledge of good and
evil.
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/on-god-and-evil-about-that-tree-of-knowledge/
What is that? Another of your misinterpretation of the Bible?
Nope. It's based entirely on the Bible.
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We only have
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the consciousness of man. Our consciousness of God has been dead
since the day we sinned for the first time.
Whose fault is that? Pssst. Read the article.
It has nothing to do with anyone's fault. It's what happened to mankind.
By a God who's Divine Plan *insured* man was to sin. I guess because He's such a sadist--creating very evil itself, and all--that He wanted billions of men and women (and even children) to suffer *eternal* damnation. A few years, I guess, was just being to damn nice.
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What Jesus did was to show us how
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to resurrect our consciousness of God so that we can be free from
sin and suffering.
According to the "Good Book," Jesus had to "die" in order for that
other God to redeem man's sins.
That's your interpretation. I have said it already. It's not about
death. It's about defeating death.
But if Jesus never truly "died," He *didn't* pay the price required by that other God to absolve man of his sins. Capisce?
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Since the God part of Jesus never actually died, "Jesus" never
actually died. It's that simple.
I disagree. Jesus was born a man like everyone else. He called
himself the son of man. His divine consciousness was not fully
realized until resurrection.
Baloney. Jesus could read the minds of people, raise people from the
dead, and positively know the future. Read John 1:1 in conjunction
with John 1:14 and tell me that Jesus wasn't a deity.
Despite all of that, he is still just an ordinary man.
Now see, scripture proves you wrong. But what do *you* do? Why, make up you own theology and try promoting it, in of all places, an ATHEIST forum. Hell, your nonsense wouldn't fly in a Christian forum let alone an atheist one.

What are you *thinking*?!!
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Regarding being actually died, that's open for
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interpretation.
Not really. You can believe anything you want, but the clear evidence
is that Jesus of Nazareth never actually died. He couldn't because He
was "God on earth," so Christian apologists tell us.
The fact remains that he did experience death and conquer death.
No he didn't! Gods don't die.
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Spiritually speaking, giving up one's own consciousness
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is the same as being dead.
Sorry, but giving up one's consciousness leads to one being
"unconscious."
That's no different from being dead.
Oh, but it is different. Your dead body has no conscious. Your alive body does.
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It's more real than the actual physical death.
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I agree Jesus didn't die, but I disagree he didn't actually
experience death.
Hmmmm! Let me catch my breath here. I'm trying to figure out just how
crazy of a statement that is.
Hold on, I'm still trying to figure out how that can actually be rational reply.
Nope it isn't!
He was physically dead for three days. You can't dispute that.
Oh yes I can. Since He was deity, he *couldn't have died. End of story.

But let me bring up another point: In Matthew 16:21 Jesus says He will arise from the dead "on the third day," making that Easter Sunday. But in Mark 8:31, Jesus claims He will arise three days AFTER his death, making it Monday. In Matthew 12:40 Jesus says He'll be buried "three days AND three nights," also making it on Monday.

But read this post: https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2016/03/10/on-what-day-was-jesus-to-arise-from-the-dead-part-iv-the-conclusion/

and you'll see that the Resurrection would have had to occur on SATURDAY.

Read the article if you want to be a better informed Christian.
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Even arguing that the consciousness of the human part of Jesus
"died," you're still stuck with the fact that the consciousness
of the God part of Jesus never did. It was conscious throughout
the whole time Jesus is said to have been dead.
Now tell me that isn't true.
That isn't true because Jesus never claimed to be God. He never
claimed to be incapable to sin. He was just an ordinary man like
everyone else.
That is a positively minority opinion and has no basis in fact when
compared to certain passages in scripture.
I don't have to make Jesus a God in disguise.
He's considered God incarnate by an overwhelming majority of the world's Christians. Besides, its' scriptural. There's no getting around itl

If he is a God in
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disguise, then everyone on earth is also a God in disguise.
Hey everybody! Look at me! I'm an atheist God!!!
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So the being known as Jesus of Nazareth never actually died.
He didn't die, but he did experience death. That's why he defeated
death. He passed through death and realized his divine
consciousness.
Please explain how a person who never really dies, dies.
It's possible for the human consciousness to die.
Yeah, along with the rest of the body. But Jesus was NOT 100% human. John 1:1, 14 proves *that*!


Anyone who has the
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human consciousness can die.
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Read that and weep. Maybe you'll come to your senses and realize
what a load of malarkey you've been brainwashed with.
That only shows your lack of understanding.
No, you've clearly shown that you've been brainwashed beyond repair.
That's just the way it is. But you have every right to believe what
you want to believe. Hell, believe there's cows grazing on the moon
if you want to. But that doesn't make it true.
What I said is quite simple and easy to understand. It should have
nothing to do with any kind of brainwashing.
Oh, but it is. You would not believe half the nonsense you do if it hadn't been drilled into your head at some point earlier in your life. You'd have never have dreamt up a God who is three Gods in one on your own. And you would never have explained the existence of evil in the world by claiming it's because a woman ate an apple she was told not to eat.

Sounds a bit ridiculous now, doesn't it?
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Don't get me wrong. I truly admire and respect those who I
perceive to be true, honest Christians for the dignified,
honorable way they carry themselves. They're truly good people.
It's just that their religious beliefs have been built upon one
lie after another, with no basis in fact.
That would be your misunderstanding.
Baloney. Just remember this: Not a single human being in the entire
history of mankind has EVER provided irrefutable proof for the actual
existence of "God." NEVER. What does *that* tell you?
The Bible can be ripped to shreds for the amount mistranslation,
historical error, unscientific nonsense, forgery, interpolation,
false prophecy, and out-and-out fraud surrounding it.
Spare me.
If we lived in ancient Greece, I have no doubt you would be telling
me how Zeus was worthy of worship as well. Probably based on a
"gut-feeling" that he's real.
No, the teaching of Jesus is proof enough for anyone to follow Jesus.
Jesus certainly had some very wise things to say, but He was no more brilliant than any number of ancient wise men.
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It's our guiding light on our journey to God. Anyone who has been on
such journey will testify for his teaching.
You're referring to a God who deliberately created very evil itself--when He didn't have to; who supplies Satan with his evil powers to lead man further into sin instead of wiping him and every form of evil right out of existence. He's a God who punishes feeble, puny, hapless man with *eternal* suffering when He could be infinitely more "loving."

In shore, this God you worship, adore, and like to promote is as evil as it gets.

Greywolf’s 1st Dictum: There can be no greater evil in all of existence than the Creator of Evil. (I’m referring to the God Jesus, of course. The conscious, deliberate, act of creating very evil is, in itself, inherently evil. Try thinking of an act even remotely more evil. End of story.)

Greywolf’s 2nd Dictum: If if happened, God wanted it to. If He didn’t, it would never have happened. (Assuming God actually exists, of course. Note: This would include every human tragedy, every evil to befall man. Would it not? It’s A sobering conclusion that needs to be honestly dealt with by every God believer. The God named Jesus (as opposed to “God the Father”) willfully created very evil itself when he didn’t have to. Ask yourself if that wasn’t being evil in the extreme. See John 1:3.
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That is simply the truth, sad to say. It really is.
Oh, by the way: Since Jesus never really died, that must mean
that God the Father--you know, that *other* God--hasn't forgiven
mankind of its "sins." The price for man's redemption, the Good
Book tells us, was for Jesus to "die" on the cross. So that means
God the Father's "bill" has never been paid in full.
As you can now see, He never really did.
How about *them* apples!
What apples? You never said a word about the apples.
It's a figure of speech.
That must be one confused apple.
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about
defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
consciousness, intelligence, happiness, faith,
courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life
itself.
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You seem to have missed the whole point of the
post. The God Jesus could not have possibly
"died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother
to read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your
response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you.
It may give you a perspective you haven't
contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So
talking about the death of Jesus is misleading.
After all, he didn't die. His faith in God has
withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he
would die. With his example, he has shown us the
way of salvation. It's not about death. It's about
life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly
resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the
cross. His consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death. It's a battle
against death, and Christ has won because of the faith
of Jesus.
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Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense
up from? You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
Only "his consciousness as a man died"? Sorry, all that
could possibly mean is that Jesus was "unconscious," not
dead. Your "conscious" dies when you're physically dead.
And I mean kicked the bucket. But Jesus never actually
died.
Not so. The body doesn't control life. It's the
consciousness that controls life.
Read that article before posting any more of your drivel.
At least we'll be working from the same playbook
Your article doesn't appear to match my understanding. You
need to upgrade a little bit.
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That's too bad because what you're trying to maintain as fact
is simply made-up nonsense. You couldn't prove it true to
save your life.
What I said is self-explanatory. I don't think I need to prove anything.
Yes, you do. You need to provide proof that the God Jesus
actually died.
Read the Gospels.
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/which-jesus-died-on-the-cross/
No, read the Gospels. The Bible is the only spiritual authority in this
world.
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If your brain, which is part of your physical body ceases to
function altogether, you'll be dead. So "No," you're wrong.
The conscious doesn't "control life." It's the brain that
keeps you alive.
That's only what appears to you, but people on life support
often do have a functioning brain without consciousness.
Medically, they might be considered as alive, but in actuality,
they are no different from being dead. So only consciousness
can decide whether one is alive or not.
People on life support may appear to be dead, they're still
alive. Their brain may not be functioning as it should, but
they're not dead, only unconscious.
Without consciousness means without a living soul.
There's no proof whatever that a "soul" forms an actual part of the
human body. It's really nothing more than a figure of speech, when
you break it down.
The soul is the human mind. The human mind isn't any magical thing in
the brain. It's spiritual having an intelligent spiritual ability that
physical things are not capable to have or demonstrate.
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Science can determine whether you're conscious or not. But there's no
way of determining whether this "soul" of yours is living or dead.
And that's because it's not measurable nor detectable.
Consciousness is what forms the soul. They are the same thing.
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It's just a body
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waiting for the soul to return. It's no different from being dead.
There's more of your made-up stuff again. But even if I grant that a
soul is an actual "thing," the God in Jesus' "soul" never left. It
remained within Jesus's body throughout the entire Passion and death.
You seem to want to have Jesus be two separate bodies in one. But
Jesus was a combination of deity and humanity forming only ONE
entity, not two.
No, there is only one consciousness coming from God to form the soul of
Jesus. Jesus, by being the lamb of God, has taken the sin of the world
on his soul to show us how to defeat sin and death on the cross. There
are no two separate entities occupying the body of Jesus.
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But more to the point, since Jesus was 100% Deity as *well*
as 100% human inextricably bound together forming ONE entity,
the conscious of Jesus the Man-God could never have "died"!
He was ONE entity, One God, One being. A combination of deity
and humanity born as ONE creature.
That's a generalization.
That's scriptural.
According to your interpretation.
Prove your point using scripture alone. And I'll find bible texts
that will flatly contradict it.
That's only because you have already misinterpreted the scripture. There
is no amount of the scripture that can stop you from misinterpreting it.
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The consciousness of men is fallible to sin.
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The consciousness of God is infallible to sin. They are not
the same consciousness.
I'm just beginning work on the so-called "Hypostatic Union" of
Christ, but to claim that Jesus had a veritable "two brains"
in-one is laughable.
It's not about the brain. It's about the consciousness of the mind
coming from the heart.
That's just theological gibberish. Consciousness is centered in the
brain. Do you actually believe that when someone has a heart
transplant that they're getting a new "conscious" and losing their
"old" one?
Actually, the answer is yes.
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He was composed of deity AND man as ONE hybrid entity. Jesus'
composition was that of a singular Man-God who *acted* as a
singular creature.
This is open for interpretation.
Again, prove your point using scripture. I'll then present you with
bible verse that contradicts it.
This is not based on scripture alone. It's also based on the
understanding of the scripture.
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The consciousness from the spirit in
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our heart is pure without sin.
Would that be "sin" your God purposely created when he Had the "evil
serpent He created trick Eve into "sinning"?
What does that have anything to do with my actual point?
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It's only contaminated by the sin in our
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mind to become the fallible human consciousness.
What "sin in our mind"? Oh, you mean, say, impure thoughts, that an
individual is never going to act upon?
Not exactly. They are symptoms instead of the actual cause. The sin in
the mind is the original sin.
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Trying to assert that Jesus had two separate "natures" is nothing
but a man-made concoction made up by the Church. But I have to
hold my fire on this point until I do more research. But in the
meantime I *have* done work on the "Kenosis Argument" which is
related to the Hypostatic Union argument.
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2018/03/28/the-god-jesus-on-the-date-of-his-second-coming-part-1/
As you can see, it's an argument that falls flat on its face.
What's the matter? Cat got your tongue?
What's the matter? Talking to yourself?
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The Salvation of Jesus is to show us the resurrection of
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the consciousness of God that is called Christ consciousness.
I don't know how I can make this any plainer: The consciousness
of the God part of Jesus of Nazareth NEVER died. It couldn't
have, Jesus was a God. Even if the conscious of the human part of
Jesus somehow died, the God part of Jesus never did. So while
Jesus was undergoing the Passion, the total consciousness
remained alive due to the fact that Jesus was deity.
God's consciousness never dies,
That's precisely why we can say Jesus never really died. Thanks for
buttressing my point for me.
That still doesn't change the fact he did experience and conquer death.
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but such consciousness in a human has
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been tainted by sin to become fallible. It's the same
consciousness, but it's different from what it's supposed to be.
God's consciousness will never die, but human consciousness is
possible to die.
What in the *world* does that have to do with the pretend death of Jesus?
There is no pretense. That's just your speculation.
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At best, Jesus can only be said to have been unconscious. You
can't pretend that the human in Jesus was separate from the God
in Him. Both God and Man were completely intertwined to form ONE
being.
You are the one who tries to separate God and man. I disagree with
your opinion.
Would that be a God (or three Gods) that you couldn't POSSIBLY prove
exists? Would that be the make-believe God, the non-existent God, the
completely made-up God, or the completely imaginary one?
There is only one God who is the truth you don't want to see and understand.
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In claiming that Jesus' "consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death" you're implying
that the consciousness of the God part of Jesus died as
well--and then came back to life. But even *you* would have
to agree that at no point did the God part of Jesus actually
"die."
We, as sinners, have lost our consciousness of God when we
committed the original sin by learning the knowledge of good
and evil.
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/on-god-and-evil-about-that-tree-of-knowledge/
What is that? Another of your misinterpretation of the Bible?
Nope. It's based entirely on the Bible.
According to your misinterpretation, yes.
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the consciousness of man. Our consciousness of God has been
dead since the day we sinned for the first time.
Whose fault is that? Pssst. Read the article.
It has nothing to do with anyone's fault. It's what happened to mankind.
By a God who's Divine Plan *insured* man was to sin. I guess because
He's such a sadist--creating very evil itself, and all--that He
wanted billions of men and women (and even children) to suffer
*eternal* damnation. A few years, I guess, was just being to damn
nice.
That's still just your misinterpretation of the Bible and your stupid
blame game of the sin. It only shows your own ignorance about the actual
issue.
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to resurrect our consciousness of God so that we can be free
from sin and suffering.
According to the "Good Book," Jesus had to "die" in order for
that other God to redeem man's sins.
That's your interpretation. I have said it already. It's not about
death. It's about defeating death.
But if Jesus never truly "died," He *didn't* pay the price required
by that other God to absolve man of his sins. Capisce?
If one doesn't experience death, how can one defeat death?
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Since the God part of Jesus never actually died, "Jesus"
never actually died. It's that simple.
I disagree. Jesus was born a man like everyone else. He called
himself the son of man. His divine consciousness was not fully
realized until resurrection.
Baloney. Jesus could read the minds of people, raise people from
the dead, and positively know the future. Read John 1:1 in
conjunction with John 1:14 and tell me that Jesus wasn't a
deity.
Despite all of that, he is still just an ordinary man.
Now see, scripture proves you wrong. But what do *you* do? Why, make
up you own theology and try promoting it, in of all places, an
ATHEIST forum. Hell, your nonsense wouldn't fly in a Christian forum
let alone an atheist one..
What are you *thinking*?!!
I think the scripture should prove me right instead because there is
nothing in scripture that shows Jesus having any kind of worldly skills
that can make him special. He is only a carpenter who is likely unemployed.
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interpretation.
Not really. You can believe anything you want, but the clear
evidence is that Jesus of Nazareth never actually died. He
couldn't because He was "God on earth," so Christian apologists
tell us.
The fact remains that he did experience death and conquer death.
No he didn't! Gods don't die.
Yes, he did. That's what makes him special because he is the man who
conquered death.
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is the same as being dead.
Sorry, but giving up one's consciousness leads to one being
"unconscious."
That's no different from being dead.
Oh, but it is different. Your dead body has no conscious. Your alive body does.
According to medical science, a living body can have no consciousness.
Spiritually speaking, it's no different from being dead.
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It's more real than the actual physical death.
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I agree Jesus didn't die, but I disagree he didn't actually
experience death.
Hmmmm! Let me catch my breath here. I'm trying to figure out just
how crazy of a statement that is.
Hold on, I'm still trying to figure out how that can actually be rational reply.
Nope it isn't!
He was physically dead for three days. You can't dispute that.
Oh yes I can. Since He was deity, he *couldn't have died. End of story.
That's just your imagination. The spirit of life can leave the body and
return at his own will. You can't decide what God wants to do.
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But let me bring up another point: In Matthew 16:21 Jesus says He
will arise from the dead "on the third day," making that Easter
Sunday. But in Mark 8:31, Jesus claims He will arise three days AFTER
his death, making it Monday. In Matthew 12:40 Jesus says He'll be
buried "three days AND three nights," also making it on Monday.
Irrelevant. Human errors are not forbidden in the writing of the
scripture. It only proves human errors can't overshadow the truth of God.
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https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2016/03/10/on-what-day-was-jesus-to-arise-from-the-dead-part-iv-the-conclusion/
and you'll see that the Resurrection would have had to occur on SATURDAY.
Read the article if you want to be a better informed Christian.
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Even arguing that the consciousness of the human part of
Jesus "died," you're still stuck with the fact that the
consciousness of the God part of Jesus never did. It was
conscious throughout the whole time Jesus is said to have
been dead.
Now tell me that isn't true.
That isn't true because Jesus never claimed to be God. He
never claimed to be incapable to sin. He was just an ordinary
man like everyone else.
That is a positively minority opinion and has no basis in fact
when compared to certain passages in scripture.
I don't have to make Jesus a God in disguise.
He's considered God incarnate by an overwhelming majority of the
world's Christians. Besides, its' scriptural. There's no getting
around itl
I don't have to disagree with that if all humans are considered God
incarnate also. I don't have to elevate the status of Jesus for
religious purposes since I have no such purpose. God made Jesus to live
among men. God never intended for Jesus to rule over men, and Jesus
never ruled over men either. Jesus will always be a fellow friend of
every man.
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If he is a God in
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disguise, then everyone on earth is also a God in disguise.
Hey everybody! Look at me! I'm an atheist God!!!
Nope. You are just a blind man who doesn't know the Christ within you.
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So the being known as Jesus of Nazareth never actually died.
He didn't die, but he did experience death. That's why he
defeated death. He passed through death and realized his
divine consciousness.
Please explain how a person who never really dies, dies.
It's possible for the human consciousness to die.
Yeah, along with the rest of the body. But Jesus was NOT 100% human.
John 1:1, 14 proves *that*!
False interpretation.
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Read that and weep. Maybe you'll come to your senses and
realize what a load of malarkey you've been brainwashed
with.
That only shows your lack of understanding.
No, you've clearly shown that you've been brainwashed beyond
repair. That's just the way it is. But you have every right to
believe what you want to believe. Hell, believe there's cows
grazing on the moon if you want to. But that doesn't make it
true.
What I said is quite simple and easy to understand. It should have
nothing to do with any kind of brainwashing.
Oh, but it is. You would not believe half the nonsense you do if it
hadn't been drilled into your head at some point earlier in your
life. You'd have never have dreamt up a God who is three Gods in one
on your own. And you would never have explained the existence of evil
in the world by claiming it's because a woman ate an apple she was
told not to eat.
Sounds a bit ridiculous now, doesn't it?
No, I do learn everything from the world, but that doesn't mean that I'm
brainwashed by the world.
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Don't get me wrong. I truly admire and respect those who I
perceive to be true, honest Christians for the dignified,
honorable way they carry themselves. They're truly good
people. It's just that their religious beliefs have been
built upon one lie after another, with no basis in fact.
That would be your misunderstanding.
Baloney. Just remember this: Not a single human being in the
entire history of mankind has EVER provided irrefutable proof for
the actual existence of "God." NEVER. What does *that* tell you?
The Bible can be ripped to shreds for the amount mistranslation,
historical error, unscientific nonsense, forgery, interpolation,
false prophecy, and out-and-out fraud surrounding it.
Spare me.
If we lived in ancient Greece, I have no doubt you would be
telling me how Zeus was worthy of worship as well. Probably based
on a "gut-feeling" that he's real.
No, the teaching of Jesus is proof enough for anyone to follow Jesus.
Jesus certainly had some very wise things to say, but He was no more
brilliant than any number of ancient wise men.
That's not my point. I'm talking about the truth found and realized in
life that proves the teaching of Jesus. It's the same truth. Therefore,
following the teaching of Jesus is our only way to know the truth.
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It's our guiding light on our journey to God. Anyone who has been
on such journey will testify for his teaching.
You're referring to a God who deliberately created very evil
itself--when He didn't have to; who supplies Satan with his evil
powers to lead man further into sin instead of wiping him and every
form of evil right out of existence. He's a God who punishes feeble,
puny, hapless man with *eternal* suffering when He could be
infinitely more "loving."
False understanding.
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In shore, this God you worship, adore, and like to promote is as evil as it gets.
Greywolf’s 1st Dictum: There can be no greater evil in all of
existence than the Creator of Evil. (I’m referring to the God Jesus,
of course. The conscious, deliberate, act of creating very evil is,
in itself, inherently evil. Try thinking of an act even remotely
more evil. End of story.)
False.
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Greywolf’s 2nd Dictum: If if happened, God wanted it to. If He
didn’t, it would never have happened. (Assuming God actually exists,
of course. Note: This would include every human tragedy, every evil
to befall man. Would it not? It’s A sobering conclusion that needs to
be honestly dealt with by every God believer. The God named Jesus (as
opposed to “God the Father”) willfully created very evil itself when
he didn’t have to. Ask yourself if that wasn’t being evil in the
extreme. See John 1:3.
False.
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That is simply the truth, sad to say. It really is.
Oh, by the way: Since Jesus never really died, that must
mean that God the Father--you know, that *other* God--hasn't
forgiven mankind of its "sins." The price for man's
redemption, the Good Book tells us, was for Jesus to "die" on
the cross. So that means God the Father's "bill" has never
been paid in full.
As you can now see, He never really did.
How about *them* apples!
What apples? You never said a word about the apples.
It's a figure of speech.
That must be one confused apple.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
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God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about
defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
consciousness, intelligence, happiness, faith,
courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life
itself.
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You seem to have missed the whole point of the
post. The God Jesus could not have possibly
"died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother
to read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your
response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you.
It may give you a perspective you haven't
contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So
talking about the death of Jesus is misleading.
After all, he didn't die. His faith in God has
withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he
would die. With his example, he has shown us the
way of salvation. It's not about death. It's about
life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly
resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the
cross. His consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death. It's a battle
against death, and Christ has won because of the faith
of Jesus.
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Where is the WORLD did you pick up that utter nonsense
up from? You've made that all up, haven't you?
No, it's what I have learned and understood.
Only "his consciousness as a man died"? Sorry, all that
could possibly mean is that Jesus was "unconscious," not
dead. Your "conscious" dies when you're physically dead.
And I mean kicked the bucket. But Jesus never actually
died.
Not so. The body doesn't control life. It's the
consciousness that controls life.
Read that article before posting any more of your drivel.
At least we'll be working from the same playbook
Your article doesn't appear to match my understanding. You
need to upgrade a little bit.
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That's too bad because what you're trying to maintain as fact
is simply made-up nonsense. You couldn't prove it true to
save your life.
What I said is self-explanatory. I don't think I need to prove anything.
Yes, you do. You need to provide proof that the God Jesus
actually died.
Read the Gospels.
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/which-jesus-died-on-the-cross/
No, read the Gospels. The Bible is the only spiritual authority in this
world.
Now, what do you think my research is based on? A Julia Child cookbook?

Get real. You keep talking about a collection of books that is fatally flawed; just rife with contradiction, historical error, interpolation, misinterpretation, false prophecy, and out-and-out fraud. Give me a freakin' break!
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If your brain, which is part of your physical body ceases to
function altogether, you'll be dead. So "No," you're wrong.
The conscious doesn't "control life." It's the brain that
keeps you alive.
That's only what appears to you, but people on life support
often do have a functioning brain without consciousness.
Medically, they might be considered as alive, but in actuality,
they are no different from being dead. So only consciousness
can decide whether one is alive or not.
People on life support may appear to be dead, they're still
alive. Their brain may not be functioning as it should, but
they're not dead, only unconscious.
Without consciousness means without a living soul.
There's no proof whatever that a "soul" forms an actual part of the
human body. It's really nothing more than a figure of speech, when
you break it down.
The soul is the human mind. The human mind isn't any magical thing in
the brain. It's spiritual having an intelligent spiritual ability that
physical things are not capable to have or demonstrate.
Spare me your completely unproven drivel.
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Science can determine whether you're conscious or not. But there's no
way of determining whether this "soul" of yours is living or dead.
And that's because it's not measurable nor detectable.
Consciousness is what forms the soul. They are the same thing.
The "soul" is not supposed to die. When the brain ceased to function altogether, so does consciousness.
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It's just a body
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waiting for the soul to return. It's no different from being dead.
There's more of your made-up stuff again. But even if I grant that a
soul is an actual "thing," the God in Jesus' "soul" never left. It
remained within Jesus's body throughout the entire Passion and death.
You seem to want to have Jesus be two separate bodies in one. But
Jesus was a combination of deity and humanity forming only ONE
entity, not two.
No, there is only one consciousness coming from God to form the soul of
Jesus. Jesus, by being the lamb of God, has taken the sin of the world
on his soul to show us how to defeat sin and death on the cross. There
are no two separate entities occupying the body of Jesus.
That's right. That's why I can proclaim Jesus of Nazareth never really died. The "God" in Him could not possibly die. Ergo, Jesus never actually died.
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But more to the point, since Jesus was 100% Deity as *well*
as 100% human inextricably bound together forming ONE entity,
the conscious of Jesus the Man-God could never have "died"!
He was ONE entity, One God, One being. A combination of deity
and humanity born as ONE creature.
That's a generalization.
That's scriptural.
According to your interpretation.
Prove your point using scripture alone. And I'll find bible texts
that will flatly contradict it.
That's only because you have already misinterpreted the scripture.
Baloney. It's just that you don't like what I (and other atheists) have exposed. Quite jarring, isn't it? By claiming I've "misinterpreted" scripture you seem to think that gets you off the hook. But I *haven't* misinterpreted scripture. It's been the very base for my findings.

There
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is no amount of the scripture that can stop you from misinterpreting it.
Listen to you! The guy who's make up his own theology--which is clearly NOT scriptural--claiming I've "misinterpreted" scripture. Baloney. Not true.
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The consciousness of men is fallible to sin.
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The consciousness of God is infallible to sin. They are not
the same consciousness.
I'm just beginning work on the so-called "Hypostatic Union" of
Christ, but to claim that Jesus had a veritable "two brains"
in-one is laughable.
It's not about the brain. It's about the consciousness of the mind
coming from the heart.
That's just theological gibberish. Consciousness is centered in the
brain. Do you actually believe that when someone has a heart
transplant that they're getting a new "conscious" and losing their
"old" one?
Actually, the answer is yes.
And the irrefutable proof for that is . . . ?
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He was composed of deity AND man as ONE hybrid entity. Jesus'
composition was that of a singular Man-God who *acted* as a
singular creature.
This is open for interpretation.
You, yourself admitted in the above that there was only ONE Jesus, not two!
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Again, prove your point using scripture. I'll then present you with
bible verse that contradicts it.
This is not based on scripture alone. It's also based on the
understanding of the scripture.
Well, Hell, a person can interpret passages of scripture in any number of ways. Why do you think there are so many damn versions of the bible in circulation?
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our heart is pure without sin.
Would that be "sin" your God purposely created when he Had the "evil
serpent He created trick Eve into "sinning"?
What does that have anything to do with my actual point?
Just reminding you that the God Jesus created very evil itself, and thereby, sin as a consequence.
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It's only contaminated by the sin in our
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mind to become the fallible human consciousness.
What "sin in our mind"? Oh, you mean, say, impure thoughts, that an
individual is never going to act upon?
Not exactly. They are symptoms instead of the actual cause. The sin in
the mind is the original sin.
An "original sin" that God saw to it being inflicted on hapless man as part of His "Divine Plan'!

Think not? Read this: https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/on-god-and-evil-about-that-tree-of-knowledge/

and *then* tell me if I haven't proven my point.
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Trying to assert that Jesus had two separate "natures" is nothing
but a man-made concoction made up by the Church. But I have to
hold my fire on this point until I do more research. But in the
meantime I *have* done work on the "Kenosis Argument" which is
related to the Hypostatic Union argument.
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2018/03/28/the-god-jesus-on-the-date-of-his-second-coming-part-1/
As you can see, it's an argument that falls flat on its face.
What's the matter? Cat got your tongue?
What's the matter? Talking to yourself?
Face it, you're on losing ground. The Christian faith is as bogus as it gets.

Now, that's not to say true Christians aren't good people who take the Golden rule to heart. But, c'mon, there are sooooo many problems with the Bible it's ridiculous to claim otherwise.
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the consciousness of God that is called Christ consciousness.
I don't know how I can make this any plainer: The consciousness
of the God part of Jesus of Nazareth NEVER died. It couldn't
have, Jesus was a God. Even if the conscious of the human part of
Jesus somehow died, the God part of Jesus never did. So while
Jesus was undergoing the Passion, the total consciousness
remained alive due to the fact that Jesus was deity.
God's consciousness never dies,
That's precisely why we can say Jesus never really died. Thanks for
buttressing my point for me.
That still doesn't change the fact he did experience and conquer death.
If he never really died, how can you say he conquered death? That's silly-talk.
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been tainted by sin to become fallible. It's the same
consciousness, but it's different from what it's supposed to be.
God's consciousness will never die, but human consciousness is
possible to die.
What in the *world* does that have to do with the pretend death of Jesus?
There is no pretense. That's just your speculation.
After seeing the evidence, how can you possibly still maintain that Jesus "experienced death" by not really dying?
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At best, Jesus can only be said to have been unconscious. You
can't pretend that the human in Jesus was separate from the God
in Him. Both God and Man were completely intertwined to form ONE
being.
You are the one who tries to separate God and man. I disagree with
your opinion.
Would that be a God (or three Gods) that you couldn't POSSIBLY prove
exists? Would that be the make-believe God, the non-existent God, the
completely made-up God, or the completely imaginary one?
There is only one God who is the truth you don't want to see and understand.
Oh, contraire! First off, there's three Christian Gods. To claim that all three make up ONE God is pure nonsense. It's akin to me saying a bought a box of square-circles at Walmart the other day. No real difference. One is just as preposterous as the other; a God Jesus who says He's going to rise from the dead on the third day of his death, and then claims He'll arise three days AFTER his death. Which is it? How is *that* telling the "truth"?

And explain precisely why a God expects we hapless humans to accept He actually exists but finds it impossible to reveal Himself to us atheists--and then condemn us to *eternal* torment and suffering because of HIS failure to do so?

Oh, that's right. I almost forgot. Your God Jesus created very evil itself. So I guess that's par for the course.
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In claiming that Jesus' "consciousness as man died, and his
consciousness as Christ rose from death" you're implying
that the consciousness of the God part of Jesus died as
well--and then came back to life. But even *you* would have
to agree that at no point did the God part of Jesus actually
"die."
We, as sinners, have lost our consciousness of God when we
committed the original sin by learning the knowledge of good
and evil.
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/on-god-and-evil-about-that-tree-of-knowledge/
What is that? Another of your misinterpretation of the Bible?
Nope. It's based entirely on the Bible.
According to your misinterpretation, yes.
You haven't even read it to fairly make that charge.

Read it. It'll be an eye-opener.
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the consciousness of man. Our consciousness of God has been
dead since the day we sinned for the first time.
Whose fault is that? Pssst. Read the article.
It has nothing to do with anyone's fault. It's what happened to mankind.
By a God who's Divine Plan *insured* man was to sin. I guess because
He's such a sadist--creating very evil itself, and all--that He
wanted billions of men and women (and even children) to suffer
*eternal* damnation. A few years, I guess, was just being to damn
nice.
That's still just your misinterpretation of the Bible and your stupid
blame game of the sin.
Oh, really? Where could evil have *possibly* originated if not from "God"? John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, and Revelation 4:11 all point to the God Jesus as the creator of very evil itself.

And, oh, what was it that Eve would know once she partook of the forbidden fruit? Why it was the knowledge of "evil"! Now who do you suppose created the evil that ALREADY existed and formed part of the Tree of Knowledge? The Keebler Elves? And who do you suppose deliberately planted that tree in the Garden in such proximity to the baited couple? And who do you suppose created the "evil serpent" that was allowed to trick Eve into sin?

And whose "supernatural Father" do you suppose stood by, *knowing* what would happen, and didn't lift a finger to stop it? Santa Claus?

It only shows your own ignorance about the actual
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Read the article, and *then* we'll talk. We'll see who is *really* ignorant of the issues.
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to resurrect our consciousness of God so that we can be free
from sin and suffering.
According to the "Good Book," Jesus had to "die" in order for
that other God to redeem man's sins.
That's your interpretation. I have said it already. It's not about
death. It's about defeating death.
But if Jesus never truly "died," He *didn't* pay the price required
by that other God to absolve man of his sins. Capisce?
If one doesn't experience death, how can one defeat death?
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Since the God part of Jesus never actually died, "Jesus"
never actually died. It's that simple.
I disagree. Jesus was born a man like everyone else. He called
himself the son of man. His divine consciousness was not fully
realized until resurrection.
Baloney. Jesus could read the minds of people, raise people from
the dead, and positively know the future. Read John 1:1 in
conjunction with John 1:14 and tell me that Jesus wasn't a
deity.
Despite all of that, he is still just an ordinary man.
Now see, scripture proves you wrong. But what do *you* do? Why, make
up you own theology and try promoting it, in of all places, an
ATHEIST forum. Hell, your nonsense wouldn't fly in a Christian forum
let alone an atheist one..
What are you *thinking*?!!
I think the scripture should prove me right instead because there is
nothing in scripture that shows Jesus having any kind of worldly skills
that can make him special. He is only a carpenter who is likely unemployed.
Well, I *suppose* raising people from the dead; reading people's minds, changing water into wine, and feeding 5000 people with a few tater tots and a fish-fry sandwich *is* something we humans do all the time.
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Not really. You can believe anything you want, but the clear
evidence is that Jesus of Nazareth never actually died. He
couldn't because He was "God on earth," so Christian apologists
tell us.
The fact remains that he did experience death and conquer death.
No he didn't! Gods don't die.
Yes, he did. That's what makes him special because he is the man who
conquered death.
Are you dense? If He never really died, He never really "conquered death." Damn, you're impossible.

It's called being brainwashed, you know.
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is the same as being dead.
Sorry, but giving up one's consciousness leads to one being "unconscious."
That's no different from being dead.
Oh, but it is different. Your dead body has no conscious. Your alive body does.
According to medical science, a living body can have no consciousness.
Spiritually speaking, it's no different from being dead.
There you go with this "spiritual" stuff again. It's no more than a figure of speech denoting some kind of euphoria on experiences when viewing nature, I guess. But as far as the supernatural stuff goes, it's all just belief in it, nothing more.
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It's more real than the actual physical death.
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I agree Jesus didn't die, but I disagree he didn't actually
experience death.
Hmmmm! Let me catch my breath here. I'm trying to figure out just
how crazy of a statement that is.
Hold on, I'm still trying to figure out how that can actually be rational reply.
Nope it isn't!
He was physically dead for three days. You can't dispute that.
Oh yes I can. Since He was deity, he *couldn't have died. End of story.
That's just your imagination. The spirit of life can leave the body and
return at his own will. You can't decide what God wants to do.
Oh, no you don't. Jesus wasn't "possessed" by a God, he was BORN a God. Therefore He his God part and human part were inseparable.
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But let me bring up another point: In Matthew 16:21 Jesus says He
will arise from the dead "on the third day," making that Easter
Sunday. But in Mark 8:31, Jesus claims He will arise three days AFTER
his death, making it Monday. In Matthew 12:40 Jesus says He'll be
buried "three days AND three nights," also making it on Monday.
Irrelevant. Human errors are not forbidden in the writing of the
scripture. It only proves human errors can't overshadow the truth of God.
What?! Well, why take any of the preposterous Bible stories we read about to heart. They could be complete fiction.

Wouldn't a God see to it that is "Sacred Word" would be preserved without error? And that brings up the fact there is not one single book of the bible that is the original document. Not one.

So why would your God not see to the preservation of the original documents?
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https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2016/03/10/on-what-day-was-jesus-to-arise-from-the-dead-part-iv-the-conclusion/
and you'll see that the Resurrection would have had to occur on SATURDAY.
Read the article if you want to be a better informed Christian.
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Even arguing that the consciousness of the human part of
Jesus "died," you're still stuck with the fact that the
consciousness of the God part of Jesus never did. It was
conscious throughout the whole time Jesus is said to have
been dead.
Now tell me that isn't true.
That isn't true because Jesus never claimed to be God. He
never claimed to be incapable to sin. He was just an ordinary
man like everyone else.
That is a positively minority opinion and has no basis in fact
when compared to certain passages in scripture.
I don't have to make Jesus a God in disguise.
He's considered God incarnate by an overwhelming majority of the
world's Christians. Besides, its' scriptural. There's no getting
around that.
I don't have to disagree with that if all humans are considered God
incarnate also. I don't have to elevate the status of Jesus for
religious purposes since I have no such purpose. God made Jesus to live
among men. God never intended for Jesus to rule over men, and Jesus
never ruled over men either. Jesus will always be a fellow friend of
every man.
The titular above His head on the cross read; "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews." Now, where do you suppose the Romans got *that* idea from?
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If he is a God in
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disguise, then everyone on earth is also a God in disguise.
Hey everybody! Look at me! I'm an atheist God!!!
Nope. You are just a blind man who doesn't know the Christ within you.
What absolute rubbish. There's no Christ within me. That's just more of you and your made-up, make-belief stuff again.
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So the being known as Jesus of Nazareth never actually died.
He didn't die, but he did experience death. That's why he
defeated death. He passed through death and realized his
divine consciousness.
Please explain how a person who never really dies, dies.
It's possible for the human consciousness to die.
Yeah, along with the rest of the body. But Jesus was NOT 100% human.
John 1:1, 14 proves *that*!
False interpretation.
John 1:14 - "And the word was made flesh." Now who do you suppose the "Word" was? Santa Claus?
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Read that and weep. Maybe you'll come to your senses and
realize what a load of malarkey you've been brainwashed
with.
That only shows your lack of understanding.
No, you've clearly shown that you've been brainwashed beyond
repair. That's just the way it is. But you have every right to
believe what you want to believe. Hell, believe there's cows
grazing on the moon if you want to. But that doesn't make it
true.
What I said is quite simple and easy to understand. It should have
nothing to do with any kind of brainwashing.
Oh, but it is. You would not believe half the nonsense you do if it
hadn't been drilled into your head at some point earlier in your
life. You'd have never have dreamt up a God who is three Gods in one
on your own. And you would never have explained the existence of evil
in the world by claiming it's because a woman ate an apple she was
told not to eat.
Sounds a bit ridiculous now, doesn't it?
No, I do learn everything from the world, but that doesn't mean that I'm
brainwashed by the world.
You know, I'll bet those that followed Jim Jones, or David Koresh, or any number of cult followers would say something along those lines.

Guess what? They were brainwashed.
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Don't get me wrong. I truly admire and respect those who I
perceive to be true, honest Christians for the dignified,
honorable way they carry themselves. They're truly good
people. It's just that their religious beliefs have been
built upon one lie after another, with no basis in fact.
That would be your misunderstanding.
Baloney. Just remember this: Not a single human being in the
entire history of mankind has EVER provided irrefutable proof for
the actual existence of "God." NEVER. What does *that* tell you?
The Bible can be ripped to shreds for the amount mistranslation,
historical error, unscientific nonsense, forgery, interpolation,
false prophecy, and out-and-out fraud surrounding it.
Spare me.
If we lived in ancient Greece, I have no doubt you would be
telling me how Zeus was worthy of worship as well. Probably based
on a "gut-feeling" that he's real.
No, the teaching of Jesus is proof enough for anyone to follow Jesus.
Jesus certainly had some very wise things to say, but He was no more
brilliant than any number of ancient wise men.
That's not my point. I'm talking about the truth found and realized in
life that proves the teaching of Jesus. It's the same truth. Therefore,
following the teaching of Jesus is our only way to know the truth.
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It's our guiding light on our journey to God. Anyone who has been
on such journey will testify for his teaching.
You're referring to a God who deliberately created very evil
itself--when He didn't have to; who supplies Satan with his evil
powers to lead man further into sin instead of wiping him and every
form of evil right out of existence. He's a God who punishes feeble,
puny, hapless man with *eternal* suffering when He could be
infinitely more "loving."
False understanding.
Not true. It's scriptural--except for that supplying Satan with his evil powers bit. But that's what can be simply deduced by using simple logic. From who else could Satan be deriving his evil powers from? Santa Claus?
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In shore, this God you worship, adore, and like to promote is as evil as it gets.
Greywolf’s 1st Dictum: There can be no greater evil in all of
existence than the Creator of Evil. (I’m referring to the God Jesus,
of course. The conscious, deliberate, act of creating very evil is,
in itself, inherently evil. Try thinking of an act even remotely
more evil. End of story.)
False.
Okay. Enlighten us with what act could possibly be more evil than the deliberate creation of very evil itself. I'm all ears.
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Greywolf’s 2nd Dictum: If if happened, God wanted it to. If He
didn’t, it would never have happened. (Assuming God actually exists,
of course. Note: This would include every human tragedy, every evil
to befall man. Would it not? It’s A sobering conclusion that needs to
be honestly dealt with by every God believer. The God named Jesus (as
opposed to “God the Father”) willfully created very evil itself when
he didn’t have to. Ask yourself if that wasn’t being evil in the
extreme. See John 1:3.
False.
Funny how you can toss that word around without backing it up.
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That is simply the truth, sad to say. It really is.
Oh, by the way: Since Jesus never really died, that must
mean that God the Father--you know, that *other* God--hasn't
forgiven mankind of its "sins." The price for man's
redemption, the Good Book tells us, was for Jesus to "die" on
the cross. So that means God the Father's "bill" has never
been paid in full.
As you can now see, He never really did.
How about *them* apples!
What apples? You never said a word about the apples.
It's a figure of speech.
That must be one confused apple.
-- God's spiritual evidence: Oh wait, there isn't any. My bad.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross.
Hahahahahahhahhaha.

His
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consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of the
faith of Jesus.
You need story to justify fact that God dies...
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death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of the
faith of Jesus.
You need story to justify fact that God dies...
Josh wasn't the first or only ghod to die.

There was Osiris, ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris_myth

.....and the Norse had Baldr.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldr

https://norse-mythology.org/tales/the-death-of-baldur/

There are more, I'm sure, if I bothered to look for them.

The Egyptian influence probably explains why Hebrews would
come up with their own version.

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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross.
Hahahahahahhahhaha.
His
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consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of the
faith of Jesus.
You need story to justify fact that God dies...
It's no story. It's just simple understanding.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually
no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in
God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would
die. With his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's
not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross.
Hahahahahahhahhaha.
His
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consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of the
faith of Jesus.
You need story to justify fact that God dies...
It's no story. It's just simple understanding.
So you say. Now prove it.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually
no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in
God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would
die. With his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's
not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross.
Hahahahahahhahhaha.
His
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consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of the
faith of Jesus.
You need story to justify fact that God dies...
It's no story. It's just simple understanding.
So you say. Now prove it.
It's self-explanatory enough. I don't have to prove anything.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God
Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If
I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you
didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you
a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about
the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His
faith in God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe
he would die. With his example, he has shown us the way of
salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross.
Hahahahahahhahhaha.
His
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consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as Christ rose from
death. It's a battle against death, and Christ has won because of
the faith of Jesus.
You need story to justify fact that God dies...
It's no story. It's just simple understanding.
So you say. Now prove it.
It's self-explanatory enough. I don't have to prove anything.
Thanks for admitting that you cannot prove it.
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Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
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__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post.
The God Jesus could not have possibly "died." The
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I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to
read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response
sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It
may give you a perspective you haven't contemplated
before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So
talking about the death of Jesus is misleading. After
all, he didn't die. His faith in God has withstood the
threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's
not about death. It's about life in the resurrection
Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly
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He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross.
Hahahahahahhahhaha.
His
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rose from death. It's a battle against death, and Christ
has won because of the faith of Jesus.
You need story to justify fact that God dies...
It's no story. It's just simple understanding.
So you say. Now prove it.
It's self-explanatory enough. I don't have to prove anything.
Thanks for admitting that you cannot prove it.
There is nothing to prove. It's self-evident to be what it is.
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You seem to have missed the whole point of the post.
The God Jesus could not have possibly "died." The
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I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to
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sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It
may give you a perspective you haven't contemplated
before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So
talking about the death of Jesus is misleading. After
all, he didn't die. His faith in God has withstood the
threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's
not about death. It's about life in the resurrection
Christ consciousness.
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He didn't die, but he did experience death on the cross.
Hahahahahahhahhaha.
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rose from death. It's a battle against death, and Christ
has won because of the faith of Jesus.
You need story to justify fact that God dies...
It's no story. It's just simple understanding.
So you say. Now prove it.
It's self-explanatory enough. I don't have to prove anything.
Thanks for admitting that you cannot prove it.
There is nothing to prove. It's self-evident to be what it is.
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"died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother
to read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your
response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you.
It may give you a perspective you haven't
contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So
talking about the death of Jesus is misleading.
After all, he didn't die. His faith in God has
withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he
would die. With his example, he has shown us the
way of salvation. It's not about death. It's about
life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly
resurrected...
He didn't die, but he did experience death on the
cross.
Hahahahahahhahhaha.
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consciousness as man died, and his consciousness as
Christ rose from death. It's a battle against death,
and Christ has won because of the faith of Jesus.
You need story to justify fact that God dies...
It's no story. It's just simple understanding.
So you say. Now prove it.
It's self-explanatory enough. I don't have to prove anything.
Thanks for admitting that you cannot prove it.
There is nothing to prove. It's self-evident to be what it is.
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Why don't you just cut the crap and take a hike?
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To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
Ah, you twigged that, did you?
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To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in
God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die.
With his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about
death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
Ah, you twigged that, did you?
He was a holly roller.
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To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in
God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die.
With his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about
death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
Ah, you twigged that, did you?
He was a holly roller.
Like Shelley, he falls upon the thorns of life and bleeds?
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He was a holly roller.
Like Shelley, he falls upon the thorns of life and bleeds?
The transition from the Holly King to the Ivy King?

Christianity has gobbed up a load of "pagan" stuff.

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To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in
God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die.
With his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not
about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
Ah, you twigged that, did you?
He was a holly roller.
Like Shelley, he falls upon the thorns of life and bleeds?
It's all bleedin' nonsense.
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To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in
God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die.
With his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not
about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
Ah, you twigged that, did you?
He was a holly roller.
Like Shelley, he falls upon the thorns of life and bleeds?
It's all bleedin' nonsense.
Imaginary folks cannot afford blood and must make do.
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To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in
God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die.
With his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about
death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
Ah, you twigged that, did you?
He was a holly roller.
Was he?
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To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
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God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die.
With his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not
about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
He didn't died, but he was berried and supposedly resurrected...
Ah, you twigged that, did you?
He was a holly roller.
Was he?
Whoooooooosh!
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
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and life itself.
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You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does this babbling mean, heretic?
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace,
freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God
Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves
virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If
I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you
didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you
a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about
the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His
faith in God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe
he would die. With his example, he has shown us the way of
salvation. It's not about death. It's about life in the
resurrection Christ consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does this babbling mean, heretic?
Sorry, in the resurrection _of_ Christ consciousness.

Why is it heretic to you? Is there anything heretic in Christ consciousness?
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and life itself.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in
God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die.
With his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about
death. It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does this babbling mean, heretic?
Sorry, in the resurrection _of_ Christ consciousness.
Why is it heretic to you? Is there anything heretic in Christ
consciousness?
And another theist thinks you babble.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in
God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die.
With his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about
death. It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does this babbling mean, heretic?
Sorry, in the resurrection _of_ Christ consciousness.
Why is it heretic to you? Is there anything heretic in Christ
consciousness?
And another theist thinks you babble.
He was nice enough to point out my typo to keep people like you from
misunderstanding what I said.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually
no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in
God has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die.
With his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not
about death. It's about life in the resurrection Christ
consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does this babbling mean, heretic?
Sorry, in the resurrection _of_ Christ consciousness.
Why is it heretic to you? Is there anything heretic in Christ consciousness?
And another theist thinks you babble.
He was nice enough to point out my typo to keep people like you from
misunderstanding what I said.
He was sane enough to call you a heretic and call your nonsense 'babble'.
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death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
consciousness, intelligence, happiness, faith, courage,
justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The
God Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason
given leaves virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read
it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems
like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may
give you a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking
about the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he
didn't die. His faith in God has withstood the threat of
death. He didn't believe he would die. With his example, he
has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does this
babbling mean, heretic?
Sorry, in the resurrection _of_ Christ consciousness.
Why is it heretic to you? Is there anything heretic in Christ consciousness?
And another theist thinks you babble.
He was nice enough to point out my typo to keep people like you
from misunderstanding what I said.
He was sane enough to call you a heretic and call your nonsense 'babble'.
That doesn't mean nothing to me if there is no evidence to prove it. I
don't take people's negative claims seriously.
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Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
consciousness, intelligence, happiness, faith, courage,
justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The
God Jesus could not have possibly "died." The reason
given leaves virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read
it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems
like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may
give you a perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking
about the death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he
didn't die. His faith in God has withstood the threat of
death. He didn't believe he would die. With his example, he
has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does this
babbling mean, heretic?
Sorry, in the resurrection _of_ Christ consciousness.
Why is it heretic to you? Is there anything heretic in Christ consciousness?
And another theist thinks you babble.
He was nice enough to point out my typo to keep people like you
from misunderstanding what I said.
He was sane enough to call you a heretic and call your nonsense 'babble'.
That doesn't mean nothing to me if there is no evidence to prove it. I
don't take people's negative claims seriously.
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You're not going to accept ANY "negative claims" against your belief seriously? So why in the Hell park your sorry ass in this, an ATHEIST forum? What intellectual purpose does it serve.

It wouldn't be because you're nothing more than a fraud, a charlatan, a phony-baloney "Christian" here just to antagonize atheists, would it?

C'mon, fess-up. You just want to be nothing more than a stupid-ass, phony-baloney jerk. Right?
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defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge,
consciousness, intelligence, happiness, faith,
courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post.
The God Jesus could not have possibly "died." The
reason given leaves virtually no doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to
read it. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But your response
sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It
may give you a perspective you haven't contemplated
before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So
talking about the death of Jesus is misleading. After
all, he didn't die. His faith in God has withstood the
threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's
not about death. It's about life in the resurrection
Christ consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does
this babbling mean, heretic?
Sorry, in the resurrection _of_ Christ consciousness.
Why is it heretic to you? Is there anything heretic in
Christ consciousness?
And another theist thinks you babble.
He was nice enough to point out my typo to keep people like
you from misunderstanding what I said.
He was sane enough to call you a heretic and call your nonsense 'babble'.
That doesn't mean nothing to me if there is no evidence to prove
it. I don't take people's negative claims seriously.
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Well, that clears THAT up. Okay, since you've convinced yourself that
you're not going to take "negative claims" seriously, it's high time
you take your convinced self outta here and on to a Christian forum
where you rightfully belong. Don't you think?
Not really. Your negative claims haven't been proven. They only
demonstrate your own ignorance at this point.
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You're not going to accept ANY "negative claims" against your belief
seriously? So why in the Hell park your sorry ass in this, an ATHEIST
forum? What intellectual purpose does it serve.
I'm not against negative claims. I'm against negative claims without the
support of evidence. It's all empty claim with no real substance to be
taken seriously.

This is the very reason why your atheism can't really be taken seriously.
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It wouldn't be because you're nothing more than a fraud, a charlatan,
a phony-baloney "Christian" here just to antagonize atheists, would
it?
C'mon, fess-up. You just want to be nothing more than a stupid-ass,
phony-baloney jerk. Right?
Obviously, you have nothing but your stupid personal attack as your
sorry excuse for everything.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does this babbling mean, heretic?
Moron, it means a human died for the purpose of making his consciousness known to all his Jewish people and not to those outside his tribe!!!!
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does this babbling mean, heretic?
Moron, it means a human died for the purpose of making his consciousness known to all his Jewish people and not to those outside his tribe!!!!
You've been talking donkey for much too long.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does this babbling mean, heretic?
Moron, it means a human died for the purpose of making his consciousness known to all his Jewish people and not to those outside his tribe!!!!
You've been talking donkey for much too long.
you forgot to say donkey
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does this babbling mean, heretic?
Moron, it means a human died for the purpose of making his consciousness known to all his Jewish people and not to those outside his tribe!!!!
You've been talking donkey for much too long.
you forgot to say donkey
Indeed.
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The crucifixion isn't about death. It's about defeating death.
Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness,
intelligence, happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom,
and life itself.
__________
You seem to have missed the whole point of the post. The God Jesus
could not have possibly "died." The reason given leaves virtually no
doubt about it.
I have a sneaky suspicion you didn't even bother to read it. If I'm
wrong, I'm wrong. But your response sure seems like you didn't.
Have courage, reading the post may enlighten you. It may give you a
perspective you haven't contemplated before.
To me, defeating death is more than simply die. So talking about the
death of Jesus is misleading. After all, he didn't die. His faith in God
has withstood the threat of death. He didn't believe he would die. With
his example, he has shown us the way of salvation. It's not about death.
It's about life in the resurrection Christ consciousness.
In the resurrection Christ consciousness....? What does this babbling mean, heretic?
Moron, it means a human died for the purpose of making his consciousness known to all his Jewish people and not to those outside his tribe!!!!
You've been talking donkey for much too long.
you forgot to say donkey
Indeed.
if you had one donkey
and i took away one how many newsgroup posts
would it take to change your socks
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary.
Any out there?
For The Son Of Nothing Is Not Dead
So Ask Him For Proof

I Ask For Proof Of God
So Been Cut By Nothing
Is Proof That My Make Me Bleed

Now I Know Nothing IS
The One & Only True God
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
A scanned copy of "Meditations," translated by the Anglican priest
Maxwell Staniforth, is at

https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC

On Pages 23-27 of the Introduction, Staniforth discussed the profound
influence of Stoicism on Christianity, as posted and referenced at:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/4LL1RZGfKl0

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/s2KVd1TJ6X8

Marcus Aurelius also made many references to the Stoic concept of
the divinity within each person. In particular:

Book 3:12 "keeping the divinity within you pure and upright"
Book 3:15 "divinity seated in his breast"
Book 5:27 "wholly fulfilling the will of that inward divinity"
Book 12:1 "divine spark within you"

Within this long-established and widely known concept, which was
also part of Stoic Philosophy, the early Christian references
to the divine nature of Jesus make perfect sense--and all the
subsequent convoluted formulas and dogmas were completely
unnecessary and divisive.
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
A scanned copy of "Meditations," translated by the Anglican priest
Maxwell Staniforth, is at
https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC
On Pages 23-27 of the Introduction, Staniforth discussed the profound
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/4LL1RZGfKl0
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/s2KVd1TJ6X8
Marcus Aurelius also made many references to the Stoic concept of
Book 3:12 "keeping the divinity within you pure and upright"
Book 3:15 "divinity seated in his breast"
Book 5:27 "wholly fulfilling the will of that inward divinity"
Book 12:1 "divine spark within you"
Within this long-established and widely known concept, which was
also part of Stoic Philosophy, the early Christian references
to the divine nature of Jesus make perfect sense--and all the
subsequent convoluted formulas and dogmas were completely
unnecessary and divisive.
________

The problem is that there is no irrefutable evidence in the existence of neither
Yahweh of the OT, nor God the Father, the God Jesus, or the Holy Spirit God in the NT.

There just isn't.

In a reply I came across in the second link you've provided I read: "A true philosopher is a seeker after truth, but truth is not found in human wisdom. Christ is the answer, the answer to philosophy.

That is a perfect example of a brainwashed mind. To my mind, it's utter rubbish. And I see no irrefutable evidence proving otherwise.

I cannot help but respect and admire truly honorable Christians, if nothing more than for the way they conduct themselves. It's their belief-system that I find so problematic. It's based on nothing more than a foundation of speculative nonsense. And I mean *nothing* more.
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
A scanned copy of "Meditations," translated by the Anglican priest
Maxwell Staniforth, is at
https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC
On Pages 23-27 of the Introduction, Staniforth discussed the profound
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/4LL1RZGfKl0
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/s2KVd1TJ6X8
Marcus Aurelius also made many references to the Stoic concept of
Book 3:12 "keeping the divinity within you pure and upright"
Book 3:15 "divinity seated in his breast"
Book 5:27 "wholly fulfilling the will of that inward divinity"
Book 12:1 "divine spark within you"
Within this long-established and widely known concept, which was
also part of Stoic Philosophy, the early Christian references
to the divine nature of Jesus make perfect sense--and all the
subsequent convoluted formulas and dogmas were completely
unnecessary and divisive.
________
The problem is that there is no irrefutable evidence in the existence of neither
Yahweh of the OT, nor God the Father, the God Jesus, or the Holy Spirit God in the NT.
There just isn't.
In a reply I came across in the second link you've provided I read: "A true philosopher is a seeker after truth, but truth is not found in human wisdom. Christ is the answer, the answer to philosophy.
That is a perfect example of a brainwashed mind. To my mind, it's utter rubbish. And I see no irrefutable evidence proving otherwise.
I cannot help but respect and admire truly honorable Christians, if nothing more than for the way they conduct themselves. It's their belief-system that I find so problematic. It's based on nothing more than a foundation of speculative nonsense. And I mean *nothing* more.
There is no "irrefutable evidence," there are many conceptions. The
following was written by the Emperor Marcus Aurelius while commanding
the Roman Legions along the Danube River, near the modern borders of
Austria and Hungary.

[Book 7:9] of Staniforth's translation: "All things are interwoven
with one another; a sacred bond unites them; there is scarcely one
thing that is isolated from another. Everything is coordinated,
everything works together in giving form to one universe. The
world-order is a unity made up of multiplicity: God is one,
pervading all things; all being is one, all law is one (namely, the
common reason which all thinking persons possess) and all truth is
one--if, as we believe, there can be but one path to perfection for
beings that are alike in kind and reason."
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
A scanned copy of "Meditations," translated by the Anglican priest
Maxwell Staniforth, is at
https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC
On Pages 23-27 of the Introduction, Staniforth discussed the profound
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/4LL1RZGfKl0
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/s2KVd1TJ6X8
Marcus Aurelius also made many references to the Stoic concept of
Book 3:12 "keeping the divinity within you pure and upright"
Book 3:15 "divinity seated in his breast"
Book 5:27 "wholly fulfilling the will of that inward divinity"
Book 12:1 "divine spark within you"
Within this long-established and widely known concept, which was
also part of Stoic Philosophy, the early Christian references
to the divine nature of Jesus make perfect sense--and all the
subsequent convoluted formulas and dogmas were completely
unnecessary and divisive.
________
The problem is that there is no irrefutable evidence in the existence of neither
Yahweh of the OT, nor God the Father, the God Jesus, or the Holy Spirit God in the NT.
There just isn't.
In a reply I came across in the second link you've provided I read: "A true philosopher is a seeker after truth, but truth is not found in human wisdom. Christ is the answer, the answer to philosophy.
That is a perfect example of a brainwashed mind. To my mind, it's utter rubbish. And I see no irrefutable evidence proving otherwise.
I cannot help but respect and admire truly honorable Christians, if nothing more than for the way they conduct themselves. It's their belief-system that I find so problematic. It's based on nothing more than a foundation of speculative nonsense. And I mean *nothing* more.
There is no "irrefutable evidence," there are many conceptions. The
following was written by the Emperor Marcus Aurelius while commanding
the Roman Legions along the Danube River, near the modern borders of
Austria and Hungary.
[Book 7:9] of Staniforth's translation: "All things are interwoven
with one another; a sacred bond unites them; there is scarcely one
thing that is isolated from another. Everything is coordinated,
everything works together in giving form to one universe. The
world-order is a unity made up of multiplicity: God is one,
pervading all things; all being is one, all law is one (namely, the
common reason which all thinking persons possess) and all truth is
one--if, as we believe, there can be but one path to perfection for
beings that are alike in kind and reason."
_______

You are obviously a very learned individual.

But here's my problem with Staniforth: He acts as though the existence of God is a given fact. Fact is, it isn't. It really isn't.

That "common reason" Staniforth proclaims all thinking persons possess includes the reason not to believe in the existence of a God as well. There are those of us who find it impossible to justify belief in a God who finds it just impossible to provide us with irrefutable evidence He even exists.

If you take the "miracles" Jesus performed during his ministry as unquestioned, positively real miracles, for example, those witnessing them were given actual verifiable proof of His divinity, whereas we are not. We should doubt their veracity simply because WE have no proof they were bona fide miracles and they seem preposterous in the extreme.

Take the Bible and all of its problems concerning historical error, interpolations, failed prophecy, and out-and-out fraud, among other things, and you have yet *another* reason to doubt the existence of God.

Make no mistake: true, honorable, good-hearted, non-offending Christians are to be respected and admired for the way they carry themselves. It's just that they're belief-system is fatally flawed to my mind. I see no way around it.

Sad, really.
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
A scanned copy of "Meditations," translated by the Anglican priest
Maxwell Staniforth, is at
https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC
On Pages 23-27 of the Introduction, Staniforth discussed the profound
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/4LL1RZGfKl0
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/s2KVd1TJ6X8
Marcus Aurelius also made many references to the Stoic concept of
Book 3:12 "keeping the divinity within you pure and upright"
Book 3:15 "divinity seated in his breast"
Book 5:27 "wholly fulfilling the will of that inward divinity"
Book 12:1 "divine spark within you"
Within this long-established and widely known concept, which was
also part of Stoic Philosophy, the early Christian references
to the divine nature of Jesus make perfect sense--and all the
subsequent convoluted formulas and dogmas were completely
unnecessary and divisive.
________
The problem is that there is no irrefutable evidence in the existence of neither
Yahweh of the OT, nor God the Father, the God Jesus, or the Holy Spirit God in the NT.
There just isn't.
In a reply I came across in the second link you've provided I read: "A true philosopher is a seeker after truth, but truth is not found in human wisdom. Christ is the answer, the answer to philosophy.
That is a perfect example of a brainwashed mind. To my mind, it's utter rubbish. And I see no irrefutable evidence proving otherwise.
I cannot help but respect and admire truly honorable Christians, if nothing more than for the way they conduct themselves. It's their belief-system that I find so problematic. It's based on nothing more than a foundation of speculative nonsense. And I mean *nothing* more.
There is no "irrefutable evidence," there are many conceptions. The
following was written by the Emperor Marcus Aurelius while commanding
the Roman Legions along the Danube River, near the modern borders of
Austria and Hungary.
[Book 7:9] of Staniforth's translation: "All things are interwoven
with one another; a sacred bond unites them; there is scarcely one
thing that is isolated from another. Everything is coordinated,
everything works together in giving form to one universe. The
world-order is a unity made up of multiplicity: God is one,
pervading all things; all being is one, all law is one (namely, the
common reason which all thinking persons possess) and all truth is
one--if, as we believe, there can be but one path to perfection for
beings that are alike in kind and reason."
_______
You are obviously a very learned individual.
But here's my problem with Staniforth: He acts as though the existence of God is a given fact. Fact is, it isn't. It really isn't.
That "common reason" Staniforth proclaims all thinking persons possess includes the reason not to believe in the existence of a God as well. There are those of us who find it impossible to justify belief in a God who finds it just impossible to provide us with irrefutable evidence He even exists.
If you take the "miracles" Jesus performed during his ministry as unquestioned, positively real miracles, for example, those witnessing them were given actual verifiable proof of His divinity, whereas we are not. We should doubt their veracity simply because WE have no proof they were bona fide miracles and they seem preposterous in the extreme.
Take the Bible and all of its problems concerning historical error, interpolations, failed prophecy, and out-and-out fraud, among other things, and you have yet *another* reason to doubt the existence of God.
Make no mistake: true, honorable, good-hearted, non-offending Christians are to be respected and admired for the way they carry themselves. It's just that they're belief-system is fatally flawed to my mind. I see no way around it.
Sad, really.
not its not its to laugh
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
A scanned copy of "Meditations," translated by the Anglican priest
Maxwell Staniforth, is at
https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC
On Pages 23-27 of the Introduction, Staniforth discussed the profound
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/4LL1RZGfKl0
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/s2KVd1TJ6X8
Marcus Aurelius also made many references to the Stoic concept of
Book 3:12 "keeping the divinity within you pure and upright"
Book 3:15 "divinity seated in his breast"
Book 5:27 "wholly fulfilling the will of that inward divinity"
Book 12:1 "divine spark within you"
Within this long-established and widely known concept, which was
also part of Stoic Philosophy, the early Christian references
to the divine nature of Jesus make perfect sense--and all the
subsequent convoluted formulas and dogmas were completely
unnecessary and divisive.
________
The problem is that there is no irrefutable evidence in the existence of neither
Yahweh of the OT, nor God the Father, the God Jesus, or the Holy Spirit God in the NT.
There just isn't.
In a reply I came across in the second link you've provided I read: "A true philosopher is a seeker after truth, but truth is not found in human wisdom. Christ is the answer, the answer to philosophy.
That is a perfect example of a brainwashed mind. To my mind, it's utter rubbish. And I see no irrefutable evidence proving otherwise.
I cannot help but respect and admire truly honorable Christians, if nothing more than for the way they conduct themselves. It's their belief-system that I find so problematic. It's based on nothing more than a foundation of speculative nonsense. And I mean *nothing* more.
There is no "irrefutable evidence," there are many conceptions. The
following was written by the Emperor Marcus Aurelius while commanding
the Roman Legions along the Danube River, near the modern borders of
Austria and Hungary.
[Book 7:9] of Staniforth's translation: "All things are interwoven
with one another; a sacred bond unites them; there is scarcely one
thing that is isolated from another. Everything is coordinated,
everything works together in giving form to one universe. The
world-order is a unity made up of multiplicity: God is one,
pervading all things; all being is one, all law is one (namely, the
common reason which all thinking persons possess) and all truth is
one--if, as we believe, there can be but one path to perfection for
beings that are alike in kind and reason."
_______
You are obviously a very learned individual.
But here's my problem with Staniforth: He acts as though the existence of God is a given fact. Fact is, it isn't. It really isn't.
That "common reason" Staniforth proclaims all thinking persons possess includes the reason not to believe in the existence of a God as well. There are those of us who find it impossible to justify belief in a God who finds it just impossible to provide us with irrefutable evidence He even exists.
If you take the "miracles" Jesus performed during his ministry as unquestioned, positively real miracles, for example, those witnessing them were given actual verifiable proof of His divinity, whereas we are not. We should doubt their veracity simply because WE have no proof they were bona fide miracles and they seem preposterous in the extreme.
Take the Bible and all of its problems concerning historical error, interpolations, failed prophecy, and out-and-out fraud, among other things, and you have yet *another* reason to doubt the existence of God.
Make no mistake: true, honorable, good-hearted, non-offending Christians are to be respected and admired for the way they carry themselves. It's just that they're belief-system is fatally flawed to my mind. I see no way around it.
I do not adhere to a literal interpretation of the Bible. With respect
to the country preacher Jesus of Nazareth, I recommend the very
fascinating book written by Marcello Craveri, "The Life of Jesus,"
Grove Press (1967) [translation of: La vita di Gesù, Feltrinelli
Editore, Milano (1966)].

https://www.amazon.com/Life-Jesus-Marcello-Craveri/dp/0880012382/

Craveri's extensive knowledge of the Old and New Testaments, the
Talmud, Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Latin provides a truly
remarkable scholarly dimension to this book.

In the preface, Craveri wrote: "The aim that I have set myself is that
of never losing sight of Jesus as an individual born into a clearly
defined society at a clearly defined point in history, and hence of
striving to understand his life, his ideas, his behavior as the product
of a particular culture and unique historical circumstances."
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2018-04-01 15:23:33 UTC
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
A scanned copy of "Meditations," translated by the Anglican priest
Maxwell Staniforth, is at
https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC
On Pages 23-27 of the Introduction, Staniforth discussed the profound
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/4LL1RZGfKl0
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.christnet.christianlife/s2KVd1TJ6X8
Marcus Aurelius also made many references to the Stoic concept of
Book 3:12 "keeping the divinity within you pure and upright"
Book 3:15 "divinity seated in his breast"
Book 5:27 "wholly fulfilling the will of that inward divinity"
Book 12:1 "divine spark within you"
Within this long-established and widely known concept, which was
also part of Stoic Philosophy, the early Christian references
to the divine nature of Jesus make perfect sense--and all the
subsequent convoluted formulas and dogmas were completely
unnecessary and divisive.
________
The problem is that there is no irrefutable evidence in the existence of neither
Yahweh of the OT, nor God the Father, the God Jesus, or the Holy Spirit God in the NT.
There just isn't.
In a reply I came across in the second link you've provided I read: "A true philosopher is a seeker after truth, but truth is not found in human wisdom. Christ is the answer, the answer to philosophy.
That is a perfect example of a brainwashed mind. To my mind, it's utter rubbish. And I see no irrefutable evidence proving otherwise.
I cannot help but respect and admire truly honorable Christians, if nothing more than for the way they conduct themselves. It's their belief-system that I find so problematic. It's based on nothing more than a foundation of speculative nonsense. And I mean *nothing* more.
There is no "irrefutable evidence," there are many conceptions. The
following was written by the Emperor Marcus Aurelius while commanding
the Roman Legions along the Danube River, near the modern borders of
Austria and Hungary.
[Book 7:9] of Staniforth's translation: "All things are interwoven
with one another; a sacred bond unites them; there is scarcely one
thing that is isolated from another. Everything is coordinated,
everything works together in giving form to one universe. The
world-order is a unity made up of multiplicity: God is one,
pervading all things; all being is one, all law is one (namely, the
common reason which all thinking persons possess) and all truth is
one--if, as we believe, there can be but one path to perfection for
beings that are alike in kind and reason."
_______
You are obviously a very learned individual.
But here's my problem with Staniforth: He acts as though the existence of God is a given fact. Fact is, it isn't. It really isn't.
That "common reason" Staniforth proclaims all thinking persons possess includes the reason not to believe in the existence of a God as well. There are those of us who find it impossible to justify belief in a God who finds it just impossible to provide us with irrefutable evidence He even exists.
If you take the "miracles" Jesus performed during his ministry as unquestioned, positively real miracles, for example, those witnessing them were given actual verifiable proof of His divinity, whereas we are not. We should doubt their veracity simply because WE have no proof they were bona fide miracles and they seem preposterous in the extreme.
Take the Bible and all of its problems concerning historical error, interpolations, failed prophecy, and out-and-out fraud, among other things, and you have yet *another* reason to doubt the existence of God.
Make no mistake: true, honorable, good-hearted, non-offending Christians are to be respected and admired for the way they carry themselves. It's just that they're belief-system is fatally flawed to my mind. I see no way around it.
I do not adhere to a literal interpretation of the Bible. With respect
to the country preacher Jesus of Nazareth, I recommend the very
fascinating book written by Marcello Craveri, "The Life of Jesus,"
Grove Press (1967) [translation of: La vita di Gesù, Feltrinelli
Editore, Milano (1966)].
https://www.amazon.com/Life-Jesus-Marcello-Craveri/dp/0880012382/
Craveri's extensive knowledge of the Old and New Testaments, the
Talmud, Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Latin provides a truly
remarkable scholarly dimension to this book.
In the preface, Craveri wrote: "The aim that I have set myself is that
of never losing sight of Jesus as an individual born into a clearly
defined society at a clearly defined point in history, and hence of
striving to understand his life, his ideas, his behavior as the product
of a particular culture and unique historical circumstances."
___________

After reading the reviews, I find the book interesting enough to likely add it to my library. It appears to take a far more realistic view of Jesus than one would expect.

Thanks for the reference.
Kevrob
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In the preface, Craveri wrote: "The aim that I have set myself is that
of never losing sight of Jesus as an individual born into a clearly
defined society at a clearly defined point in history, and hence of
striving to understand his life, his ideas, his behavior as the product
of a particular culture and unique historical circumstances."
___________
After reading the reviews, I find the book interesting enough to likely add it to my library. It appears to take a far more realistic view of Jesus than one would expect.
Thanks for the reference.
[quote]

Craveri concluded that the claims to divinity made by the historical
Jesus were strictly limited and not unusual for a Jew of that generation.

[/quote] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Craveri

So, does the good doctor follow the tradition of a divine Josh, or
just see him as one of many would-be religious reformers of that era,
who had more ambitious and successful followers, after his demise?

As a Mathematician, were you offput by Trinitarianism?

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In the preface, Craveri wrote: "The aim that I have set myself is that
of never losing sight of Jesus as an individual born into a clearly
defined society at a clearly defined point in history, and hence of
striving to understand his life, his ideas, his behavior as the product
of a particular culture and unique historical circumstances."
___________
After reading the reviews, I find the book interesting enough to likely add it to my library. It appears to take a far more realistic view of Jesus than one would expect.
Thanks for the reference.
[quote]
Craveri concluded that the claims to divinity made by the historical
Jesus were strictly limited and not unusual for a Jew of that generation.
[/quote] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Craveri
So, does the good doctor follow the tradition of a divine Josh, or
just see him as one of many would-be religious reformers of that era,
who had more ambitious and successful followers, after his demise?
As a Mathematician, were you offput by Trinitarianism?
From "The Life of Jesus," Grove Press (1967)"

http://www.amazon.com/Life-Jesus-Marcello-Craveri/dp/0880012382/

"Almost as soon as Christianity had emerged from Palestine and begun
to be preached in Hellenistic regions, the person of Jesus--as we
shall see--was presented as a divine incarnation." [Page 9]

On Page 24 Craveri points out that the Annunciation passage in Luke
is a later insertion. "However, as is unanimously conceded by all
the commentators, even the Catholics, this passage, like the entire
story of the birth of Jesus, is written in a style that hardly
harmonizes with Luke's characteristic sentence structure. Plainly,
the fragment was added later, and the insertion was made rather
unskillfully."

With respect to the Trinity, I have a greater appreciation of the
underlying concepts after reading Maxwell Staniforth's Introduction
to his translation of "Meditations," a scanned copy of which is at

https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC

On Pages 23-27, Staniforth provides an amazing summary of the
profound impact of Stoic Philosophy on Christianity. It was quite
an eye-opener to learn that 'Logos' and 'divine spirit' were
central notions of Stoic Philosophy--notions that would be
reformulated in convoluted dogmatic fashion by certain Christian
hierarchs in the 4th and 5th centuries.
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In the preface, Craveri wrote: "The aim that I have set myself is that
of never losing sight of Jesus as an individual born into a clearly
defined society at a clearly defined point in history, and hence of
striving to understand his life, his ideas, his behavior as the product
of a particular culture and unique historical circumstances."
___________
After reading the reviews, I find the book interesting enough to likely add it to my library. It appears to take a far more realistic view of Jesus than one would expect.
Thanks for the reference.
[quote]
Craveri concluded that the claims to divinity made by the historical
Jesus were strictly limited and not unusual for a Jew of that generation.
[/quote] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Craveri
So, does the good doctor follow the tradition of a divine Josh, or
just see him as one of many would-be religious reformers of that era,
who had more ambitious and successful followers, after his demise?
As a Mathematician, were you offput by Trinitarianism?
From "The Life of Jesus," Grove Press (1967)"
http://www.amazon.com/Life-Jesus-Marcello-Craveri/dp/0880012382/
"Almost as soon as Christianity had emerged from Palestine and begun
to be preached in Hellenistic regions, the person of Jesus--as we
shall see--was presented as a divine incarnation." [Page 9]
On Page 24 Craveri points out that the Annunciation passage in Luke
is a later insertion. "However, as is unanimously conceded by all
the commentators, even the Catholics, this passage, like the entire
story of the birth of Jesus, is written in a style that hardly
harmonizes with Luke's characteristic sentence structure. Plainly,
the fragment was added later, and the insertion was made rather
unskillfully."
It's refreshing to read Christians acknowledging interpolation in their "Good Book.
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
With respect to the Trinity, I have a greater appreciation of the
underlying concepts after reading Maxwell Staniforth's Introduction
to his translation of "Meditations," a scanned copy of which is at
https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC
I have a rather crude, but I believe effective take on the Trinity here:

https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2016/01/18/the-three-persons-of-the-trinity/

One can easily get "stuck in the weeds" on this topic. The simpler it is to expose it, the better.
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
On Pages 23-27, Staniforth provides an amazing summary of the
profound impact of Stoic Philosophy on Christianity. It was quite
an eye-opener to learn that 'Logos' and 'divine spirit' were
central notions of Stoic Philosophy--notions that would be
reformulated in convoluted dogmatic fashion by certain Christian
hierarchs in the 4th and 5th centuries.
Eye-opening too is the fact that the Church has successfully hoodwinked the gullible with their nonsense.

Let philosophy remain philosophy--not religion.
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In the preface, Craveri wrote: "The aim that I have set myself is that
of never losing sight of Jesus as an individual born into a clearly
defined society at a clearly defined point in history, and hence of
striving to understand his life, his ideas, his behavior as the product
of a particular culture and unique historical circumstances."
___________
After reading the reviews, I find the book interesting enough to likely add it to my library. It appears to take a far more realistic view of Jesus than one would expect.
Thanks for the reference.
[quote]
Craveri concluded that the claims to divinity made by the historical
Jesus were strictly limited and not unusual for a Jew of that generation.
[/quote] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Craveri
So, does the good doctor follow the tradition of a divine Josh, or
just see him as one of many would-be religious reformers of that era,
who had more ambitious and successful followers, after his demise?
As a Mathematician, were you offput by Trinitarianism?
From "The Life of Jesus," Grove Press (1967)"
http://www.amazon.com/Life-Jesus-Marcello-Craveri/dp/0880012382/
"Almost as soon as Christianity had emerged from Palestine and begun
to be preached in Hellenistic regions, the person of Jesus--as we
shall see--was presented as a divine incarnation." [Page 9]
On Page 24 Craveri points out that the Annunciation passage in Luke
is a later insertion. "However, as is unanimously conceded by all
the commentators, even the Catholics, this passage, like the entire
story of the birth of Jesus, is written in a style that hardly
harmonizes with Luke's characteristic sentence structure. Plainly,
the fragment was added later, and the insertion was made rather
unskillfully."
It's refreshing to read Christians acknowledging interpolation in their "Good Book.
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
With respect to the Trinity, I have a greater appreciation of the
underlying concepts after reading Maxwell Staniforth's Introduction
to his translation of "Meditations," a scanned copy of which is at
https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2016/01/18/the-three-persons-of-the-trinity/
One can easily get "stuck in the weeds" on this topic. The simpler it is to expose it, the better.
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
On Pages 23-27, Staniforth provides an amazing summary of the
profound impact of Stoic Philosophy on Christianity. It was quite
an eye-opener to learn that 'Logos' and 'divine spirit' were
central notions of Stoic Philosophy--notions that would be
reformulated in convoluted dogmatic fashion by certain Christian
hierarchs in the 4th and 5th centuries.
Eye-opening too is the fact that the Church has successfully
hoodwinked the gullible with their nonsense.
Let philosophy remain philosophy--not religion.
As Staniforth pointed out in Pages 7-8 of his Introduction, today
religion deals with issues that were the domain of the philosopher,
not the priest, in antiquity.

As for your take on the Trinity, it is very inferior to Seneca's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity#Impact_of_Stoic_philosophy

Last year I learned that, around 500 BC, the philosopher Heraclitus
made the cryptic statement: "All entities come to be in accordance
with this Logos." On Page 24, Staniforth stated that this became one
of the leading terms of Stoicism "for the purpose of explaining how
deity came into relation with the universe," and that the author of
the beginning of John's Gospel, who evidently was well-versed in
Stoic Philosophy, identified Jesus as the personification of the Logos.
This is a truly amazing concept that I have never heard discussed
in homilies/sermons that are delivered in a complete vacuum.
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2018-04-02 20:49:14 UTC
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In the preface, Craveri wrote: "The aim that I have set myself is that
of never losing sight of Jesus as an individual born into a clearly
defined society at a clearly defined point in history, and hence of
striving to understand his life, his ideas, his behavior as the product
of a particular culture and unique historical circumstances."
___________
After reading the reviews, I find the book interesting enough to likely add it to my library. It appears to take a far more realistic view of Jesus than one would expect.
Thanks for the reference.
[quote]
Craveri concluded that the claims to divinity made by the historical
Jesus were strictly limited and not unusual for a Jew of that generation.
[/quote] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcello_Craveri
So, does the good doctor follow the tradition of a divine Josh, or
just see him as one of many would-be religious reformers of that era,
who had more ambitious and successful followers, after his demise?
As a Mathematician, were you offput by Trinitarianism?
From "The Life of Jesus," Grove Press (1967)"
http://www.amazon.com/Life-Jesus-Marcello-Craveri/dp/0880012382/
"Almost as soon as Christianity had emerged from Palestine and begun
to be preached in Hellenistic regions, the person of Jesus--as we
shall see--was presented as a divine incarnation." [Page 9]
On Page 24 Craveri points out that the Annunciation passage in Luke
is a later insertion. "However, as is unanimously conceded by all
the commentators, even the Catholics, this passage, like the entire
story of the birth of Jesus, is written in a style that hardly
harmonizes with Luke's characteristic sentence structure. Plainly,
the fragment was added later, and the insertion was made rather
unskillfully."
It's refreshing to read Christians acknowledging interpolation in their "Good Book.
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
With respect to the Trinity, I have a greater appreciation of the
underlying concepts after reading Maxwell Staniforth's Introduction
to his translation of "Meditations," a scanned copy of which is at
https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2016/01/18/the-three-persons-of-the-trinity/
One can easily get "stuck in the weeds" on this topic. The simpler it is to expose it, the better.
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
On Pages 23-27, Staniforth provides an amazing summary of the
profound impact of Stoic Philosophy on Christianity. It was quite
an eye-opener to learn that 'Logos' and 'divine spirit' were
central notions of Stoic Philosophy--notions that would be
reformulated in convoluted dogmatic fashion by certain Christian
hierarchs in the 4th and 5th centuries.
Eye-opening too is the fact that the Church has successfully
hoodwinked the gullible with their nonsense.
Let philosophy remain philosophy--not religion.
As Staniforth pointed out in Pages 7-8 of his Introduction, today
religion deals with issues that were the domain of the philosopher,
not the priest, in antiquity.
As for your take on the Trinity, it is very inferior to Seneca's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity#Impact_of_Stoic_philosophy
Last year I learned that, around 500 BC, the philosopher Heraclitus
made the cryptic statement: "All entities come to be in accordance
with this Logos." On Page 24, Staniforth stated that this became one
of the leading terms of Stoicism "for the purpose of explaining how
deity came into relation with the universe," and that the author of
the beginning of John's Gospel, who evidently was well-versed in
Stoic Philosophy, identified Jesus as the personification of the Logos.
This is a truly amazing concept that I have never heard discussed
in homilies/sermons that are delivered in a complete vacuum.
You've quoted Staniforth. You've quoted Marcus Aurelius quoting
Seneca. (The Younger? - what is the actual source of that quote,
if it survived into the modern world, that is?) You haven't
quoted Rosa:

Is this "Logos" a being, a person, a real entity, or just a force
of nature, or some tertium quid?

What is your purpose in throwing monkey dust up in the group
about whether there is a guiding intelligence to the universe,
or ever was one?

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With respect to the Trinity, I have a greater appreciation of the
underlying concepts after reading Maxwell Staniforth's Introduction
to his translation of "Meditations," a scanned copy of which is at
https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC
https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2016/01/18/the-three-persons-of-the-trinity/
One can easily get "stuck in the weeds" on this topic. The simpler it is to expose it, the better.
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
On Pages 23-27, Staniforth provides an amazing summary of the
profound impact of Stoic Philosophy on Christianity. It was quite
an eye-opener to learn that 'Logos' and 'divine spirit' were
central notions of Stoic Philosophy--notions that would be
reformulated in convoluted dogmatic fashion by certain Christian
hierarchs in the 4th and 5th centuries.
Eye-opening too is the fact that the Church has successfully
hoodwinked the gullible with their nonsense.
Let philosophy remain philosophy--not religion.
As Staniforth pointed out in Pages 7-8 of his Introduction, today
religion deals with issues that were the domain of the philosopher,
not the priest, in antiquity.
As for your take on the Trinity, it is very inferior to Seneca's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity#Impact_of_Stoic_philosophy
Last year I learned that, around 500 BC, the philosopher Heraclitus
made the cryptic statement: "All entities come to be in accordance
with this Logos." On Page 24, Staniforth stated that this became one
of the leading terms of Stoicism "for the purpose of explaining how
deity came into relation with the universe," and that the author of
the beginning of John's Gospel, who evidently was well-versed in
Stoic Philosophy, identified Jesus as the personification of the Logos.
This is a truly amazing concept that I have never heard discussed
in homilies/sermons that are delivered in a complete vacuum.
You've quoted Staniforth. You've quoted Marcus Aurelius quoting
Seneca. (The Younger? - what is the actual source of that quote,
if it survived into the modern world, that is?) You haven't
Is this "Logos" a being, a person, a real entity, or just a force
of nature, or some tertium quid?
Staniforth quoted Seneca but did not provide a reference. I did a
Google search and came up empty. As for the Logos, I cannot add
anything to what Staniforth wrote in his Introduction.
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Is this "Logos" a being, a person, a real entity, or just a force
of nature, or some tertium quid?
Staniforth quoted Seneca but did not provide a reference. I did a
Google search and came up empty. As for the Logos, I cannot add
anything to what Staniforth wrote in his Introduction.
A ghod, historically and culturally, is a person, if a person
writ large. It isn't a supernatural principle, a la dharma,
from Hinduism.

Spong's "ground of being" comment is pure Paul Tillich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tillich

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2011/12/the-impossible-god-of-paul-tillich/

It smells of Platonism, cooked up by a non-believer who wants to
rescue Christian ethics from atheism, which might lead to a moral
system more reminiscent of Nietzsche, and who wants to save his
phony-baloney job as a an academic theologian. It doesn't even
require belief in a ghod. It is the sort of nonsense only the
highly educated can believe, especially if they are so culturally
invested in religion that they can't cut loose from it.

See:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2015/10/09/why-do-intelligent-well-educated-people-still-believe-nonsense/

It is 200 proof woo-woo.

Kevin R
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From "The Life of Jesus," Grove Press (1967)"
http://www.amazon.com/Life-Jesus-Marcello-Craveri/dp/0880012382/
"Almost as soon as Christianity had emerged from Palestine and begun
to be preached in Hellenistic regions, the person of Jesus--as we
shall see--was presented as a divine incarnation." [Page 9]
On Page 24 Craveri points out that the Annunciation passage in Luke
is a later insertion. "However, as is unanimously conceded by all
the commentators, even the Catholics, this passage, like the entire
story of the birth of Jesus, is written in a style that hardly
harmonizes with Luke's characteristic sentence structure. Plainly,
the fragment was added later, and the insertion was made rather
unskillfully."
This is all well-known in this group.
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With respect to the Trinity, I have a greater appreciation of the
underlying concepts after reading Maxwell Staniforth's Introduction
to his translation of "Meditations," a scanned copy of which is at
https://books.google.com/books?id=WV7Teosv0bIC
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So, does the good doctor follow the tradition of a divine Josh, or
just see him as one of many would-be religious reformers of that era,
who had more ambitious and successful followers, after his demise?
As a Mathematician, were you offput by Trinitarianism?
As someone whose academic background includes a history B.A,,
I take it as extremely highly improbable that the "Jesus story"
is anything like historically accurate. The claims of divinity
were, for the times, not uncommon. Roman emperors were routinely
promoted to divine, as were the rulers of Egypt and other kingdoms.

So, Josh was a mere man, however wise, or a ghod?
Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
On Pages 23-27, Staniforth provides an amazing summary of the
profound impact of Stoic Philosophy on Christianity. It was quite
an eye-opener to learn that 'Logos' and 'divine spirit' were
central notions of Stoic Philosophy--notions that would be
reformulated in convoluted dogmatic fashion by certain Christian
hierarchs in the 4th and 5th centuries.
The import of Greek philosophical thought had a great deal to do
with the development of chritianity's idea of ghod, also.

What "the church" thought at, say, 50 CE and what was promulgated
as the Official Version by the time of Constantine changed quite
a bit.

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So, Josh was a mere man, however wise, or a ghod?
As I just included in my reply to Greywolf: "the author of the
beginning of John's Gospel, who evidently was well-versed in Stoic
Philosophy, identified Jesus as the personification of the Logos.
This is a truly amazing concept that I have never heard discussed
in homilies/sermons that are delivered in a complete vacuum."
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So, Josh was a mere man, however wise, or a ghod?
As I just included in my reply to Greywolf: "the author of the
beginning of John's Gospel, who evidently was well-versed in Stoic
Philosophy, identified Jesus as the personification of the Logos.
This is a truly amazing concept that I have never heard discussed
in homilies/sermons that are delivered in a complete vacuum."
It is an amazing and profound mystery.
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So, Josh was a mere man, however wise, or a ghod?
As I just included in my reply to Greywolf: "the author of the
beginning of John's Gospel, who evidently was well-versed in Stoic
Philosophy, identified Jesus as the personification of the Logos.
This is a truly amazing concept that I have never heard discussed
in homilies/sermons that are delivered in a complete vacuum."
It is an amazing and profound mystery.
In a certain sense, mysteries are what make life interesting
and tolerable.
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So, Josh was a mere man, however wise, or a ghod?
As I just included in my reply to Greywolf: "the author of the
beginning of John's Gospel, who evidently was well-versed in Stoic
Philosophy, identified Jesus as the personification of the Logos.
This is a truly amazing concept that I have never heard discussed
in homilies/sermons that are delivered in a complete vacuum."
It is an amazing and profound mystery.
In a certain sense, mysteries are what make life interesting
and tolerable.
__________

That's quite true. And as long as we, as individuals, can admit that there are some things we can't provide proof of just yet, we can look with hope that joyous day when we *can* solve that mystery and provide that proof. It happens in science all the time.
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So, Josh was a mere man, however wise, or a ghod?
As I just included in my reply to Greywolf: "the author of the
beginning of John's Gospel, who evidently was well-versed in Stoic
Philosophy, identified Jesus as the personification of the Logos.
This is a truly amazing concept that I have never heard discussed
in homilies/sermons that are delivered in a complete vacuum."
It is an amazing and profound mystery.
In a certain sense, mysteries are what make life interesting
and tolerable.
__________
That's quite true. And as long as we, as individuals, can admit that there
are some things we can't provide proof of just yet, we can look with hope
that joyous day when we *can* solve that mystery and provide that proof.
It happens in science all the time.
There are numerous *mysteries*. Some may never be understood by science.
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So, Josh was a mere man, however wise, or a ghod?
As I just included in my reply to Greywolf: "the author of the
beginning of John's Gospel, who evidently was well-versed in Stoic
Philosophy, identified Jesus as the personification of the Logos.
This is a truly amazing concept that I have never heard discussed
in homilies/sermons that are delivered in a complete vacuum."
It is an amazing and profound mystery.
In a certain sense, mysteries are what make life interesting and tolerable.
Yes, good way to put it.
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So, Josh was a mere man, however wise, or a ghod?
As I just included in my reply to Greywolf: "the author of the
beginning of John's Gospel, who evidently was well-versed in Stoic
Philosophy, identified Jesus as the personification of the Logos.
This is a truly amazing concept that I have never heard discussed
in homilies/sermons that are delivered in a complete vacuum."
It is an amazing and profound mystery.
Read this, Andrew: https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/which-jesus-died-on-the-cross/

Calling something a "profound mystery" that you accept as fact but couldn't prove true to save your life is just a bogus-Christian like yourself refusing to face the *real* truth.
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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Harbor Freight doesn't sell a jack that moves donkeys.
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Harbor Freight doesn't sell a jack that moves donkeys.
is this going to become emotional
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if you can't donkey can you jackass
Harbor Freight doesn't sell a jack that moves donkeys.
is this going to become emotional
Depends on whether Tim or Yaps shows up.
you mean they come back again later , no , no
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2018-04-01 04:04:01 UTC
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
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if you can't donkey can you jackass
Harbor Freight doesn't sell a jack that moves donkeys.
is this going to become emotional
Depends on whether Tim or Yaps shows up.
you mean they come back again later , no , no
They can't help it.
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I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
1.5
if you can't donkey can you jackass
Harbor Freight doesn't sell a jack that moves donkeys.
is this going to become emotional
Depends on whether Tim or Yaps shows up.
you mean they come back again later , no , no
They can't help it.
they're no help doing it
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https://theatheistobserver.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/which-jesus-died-on-the-cross/
I'm anxious to view irrefutable proof to the contrary. Any out there?
Jesus, the man, died on the cross in redemption for the sin of man. One man
without sin paid the death price for all. The new man, Jesus, who was raised by
the Father gives us a new lease on life in our future decision to sin. Do NOT.

the dukester, American-American


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