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Retailers Closing Thousands Of Stores In Trump Economy
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Mitchell Holman
2017-04-08 17:26:30 UTC
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America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017


The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.

At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.

And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.

The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.

The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.

Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.

HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.

Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
Carlos Trevino
2017-04-08 17:41:46 UTC
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Raw Message
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
...and more retailers will continue to downsize since brick and mortar can not compete against online competition.
Joe Bruno
2017-04-08 20:09:07 UTC
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Post by Carlos Trevino
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
...and more retailers will continue to downsize since brick and mortar can not compete against online competition.
You are 100% right.
Cloud Hobbit
2017-04-11 19:42:21 UTC
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Post by Carlos Trevino
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
...and more retailers will continue to downsize since brick and mortar can not compete against online competition.
Exactly so. There's also the fact that the rPOTUS has very little to do with the economy, that would be Congress.
Joe Bruno
2017-04-12 02:11:44 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Post by Carlos Trevino
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
...and more retailers will continue to downsize since brick and mortar can not compete against online competition.
Exactly so. There's also the fact that the rPOTUS has very little to do with the economy, that would be Congress.
WRONG. Obama stopped the construction of 2 pipelines with executive orders. Trump reversed both of them. There were lots of jobs involved.
Mitchell Holman
2017-04-12 02:20:44 UTC
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Post by Carlos Trevino
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Post by Carlos Trevino
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-clos
ing
-at-
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Post by Carlos Trevino
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
...and more retailers will continue to downsize since brick and
mortar
can not compete against online competition.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Exactly so. There's also the fact that the rPOTUS has very little to
do
with the economy, that would be Congress.
WRONG. Obama stopped the construction of 2 pipelines with executive
orders. Trump reversed both of them. There were lots of jobs involved.
"Lots of jobs" meaning.................37


Keystone XL pipeline would only create 35 permanent jobs
March 24, 2017
http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/24/investing/keystone-pipeline-jobs-trump/



And this, to import oil from a country we are
are EXPORTING oil to!




US-Canada oil exports see first drop since 2010
21 Feb 2017

Calgary, 21 February (Argus) — US oil exports to Canada
dropped in 2016, the first time since 2010, as refiners
on the Canadian Atlantic coast sought cheaper crude from
overseas.
http://www.argusmedia.com/news/article/?id=1409183
Joe Bruno
2017-04-12 02:26:17 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Carlos Trevino
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Post by Carlos Trevino
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-clos
ing
-at-
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Post by Carlos Trevino
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
...and more retailers will continue to downsize since brick and
mortar
can not compete against online competition.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Exactly so. There's also the fact that the rPOTUS has very little to
do
with the economy, that would be Congress.
WRONG. Obama stopped the construction of 2 pipelines with executive
orders. Trump reversed both of them. There were lots of jobs involved.
"Lots of jobs" meaning.................37
Keystone XL pipeline would only create 35 permanent jobs
March 24, 2017
http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/24/investing/keystone-pipeline-jobs-trump/
I mentioned 2 pipelines. What about the other one? Even temporary jobs are preferable to unemployment, genius. Did you miss that one?
Mitchell Holman
2017-04-12 12:51:06 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Carlos Trevino
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Post by Carlos Trevino
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-c
los ing
-at-
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Post by Carlos Trevino
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
...and more retailers will continue to downsize since brick and
mortar
can not compete against online competition.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Exactly so. There's also the fact that the rPOTUS has very little
to do
with the economy, that would be Congress.
WRONG. Obama stopped the construction of 2 pipelines with executive
orders. Trump reversed both of them. There were lots of jobs involved.
"Lots of jobs" meaning.................37
Keystone XL pipeline would only create 35 permanent jobs
March 24, 2017
http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/24/investing/keystone-pipeline-jobs-trump
/
I mentioned 2 pipelines. What about the other one?
The Dakota pipeline will creats 40 permanent jobs.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-promised-dakota-keystone-
pipeline-jobs-expected-temporary/story?id=45021909

That is your "lots of jobs" justification of pipelines?

And this from same president who just destroyed thousands
of jobs in his cancellation of passenger rail service.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-
budget-cut-rail-services-rural-communities-amtrak-narp-transport-
american-passengers-cities-a7672811.html
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-20 04:13:24 UTC
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Post by Carlos Trevino
America=E2=80=99s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
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The battered American retail industry took a few more=20
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price=20
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
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At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.=20
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to=20
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,=20
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue=20
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no=20
longer resonates with today=E2=80=99s shoppers.
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And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,=20
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,=20
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a=20
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax=20
Partners for about a billion dollars.
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The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping=20
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could=20
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail=20
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be=20
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower=20
rent in coming years, according to data provided to=20
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
=20
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to=20
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut=20
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same=20
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing=20
since 2009.
=20
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is=20
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced=20
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations=20
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle=20
sluggish demand.
=20
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.=20
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,=20
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
=20
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside=20
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy=E2=80=99s Inc. and=20
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,=20
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
=20
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing=
-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
=20
...and more retailers will continue to downsize since brick and mortar =
can not compete against online competition.
=20
Exactly so. There's also the fact that the rPOTUS has very little to do =
with the economy, that would be Congress.
WRONG. Obama stopped the construction of 2 pipelines with executive orders.=
Trump reversed both of them. There were lots of jobs involved.
So you think 35 permanent jobs is sufficient to threaten the drinking and agricultural water of millions of Americans?
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Joe Bruno
2017-04-21 07:29:54 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Carlos Trevino
America=E2=80=99s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
=20
=20
The battered American retail industry took a few more=20
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price=20
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
=20
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.=20
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to=20
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,=20
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue=20
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no=20
longer resonates with today=E2=80=99s shoppers.
=20
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,=20
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,=20
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a=20
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax=20
Partners for about a billion dollars.
=20
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping=20
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could=20
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail=20
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be=20
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower=20
rent in coming years, according to data provided to=20
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
=20
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to=20
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut=20
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same=20
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing=20
since 2009.
=20
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is=20
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced=20
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations=20
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle=20
sluggish demand.
=20
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.=20
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,=20
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
=20
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside=20
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy=E2=80=99s Inc. and=20
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,=20
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
=20
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing=
-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
=20
...and more retailers will continue to downsize since brick and mortar =
can not compete against online competition.
=20
Exactly so. There's also the fact that the rPOTUS has very little to do =
with the economy, that would be Congress.
WRONG. Obama stopped the construction of 2 pipelines with executive orders.=
Trump reversed both of them. There were lots of jobs involved.
So you think 35 permanent jobs is sufficient to threaten the drinking and agricultural water of millions of Americans?
Millions? The pipeline is 2 feet in diameter and crosses 2 states.
Let's see you justify that number.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-22 13:20:12 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Carlos Trevino
America=E2=80=99s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
=20
=20
The battered American retail industry took a few more=20
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price=20
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
=20
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.=20
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to=20
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,=20
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue=20
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no=20
longer resonates with today=E2=80=99s shoppers.
=20
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,=20
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,=20
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a=20
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax=20
Partners for about a billion dollars.
=20
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping=20
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could=20
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail=20
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be=20
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower=20
rent in coming years, according to data provided to=20
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
=20
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to=20
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut=20
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same=20
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing=20
since 2009.
=20
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is=20
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced=20
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations=20
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle=20
sluggish demand.
=20
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.=20
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,=20
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
=20
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside=20
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy=E2=80=99s Inc. and=20
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,=20
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
=20
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing=
-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
=20
...and more retailers will continue to downsize since brick and mortar =
can not compete against online competition.
=20
Exactly so. There's also the fact that the rPOTUS has very little to do =
with the economy, that would be Congress.
WRONG. Obama stopped the construction of 2 pipelines with executive orders.=
Trump reversed both of them. There were lots of jobs involved.
So you think 35 permanent jobs is sufficient to threaten the drinking and agricultural water of millions of Americans?
Millions? The pipeline is 2 feet in diameter and crosses 2 states.
Let's see you justify that number.
It will pass over the Ogallala Aquifer, which supplies the water for the agriculture that feeds millions in the US and overseas, not to mention the drinking water for the millions of people who live in the middle of the country.

Oil pipes leak. Every one of them does eventually. And Keystone will be carrying tar sands from Canada which are as corrosive as oil gets, which almost guarantees pipeline failure.

And what does the US get out of it besides those ~35 jobs. Foreign oil piped to a refinery in a special export zone, oil that will be shipped overseas. So we endanger the water that supports agriculture and the lives of people and we don't even get to use the refined oil.
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2017-04-08 20:08:17 UTC
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America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
He's only been in office 9 weeks. He has not done anything that affects the economy. We are still in the Obama great recession.
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2017-04-08 20:27:36 UTC
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He's only been in office 9 weeks. He has not done anything that affects the
economy. We are still in the Obama great recession.
_You_ are still in a recession. We go out of that years ago.
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He's only been in office 9 weeks. He has not done anything that affects the
economy. We are still in the Obama great recession.
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Post by Mitchell Holman
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
He's only been in office 9 weeks. He has not done anything that affects the economy. We are still in the Obama great recession.
Of course, internet shopping is taking it's toll.

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2017-04-15 06:29:05 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
America?s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today?s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy?s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
He's only been in office 9 weeks. He has not done anything that affects the economy. We are still in the Obama great recession.
Of course, internet shopping is taking it's toll.
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall, parking, and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or need online. And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.

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Post by duke
Post by Joe Bruno
America?s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today?s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy?s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
He's only been in office 9 weeks. He has not done anything that affects the economy. We are still in the Obama great recession.
Of course, internet shopping is taking it's toll.
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall, parking, and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or need online. And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
Last week's _Economist_ has an article on the costs of parking, not
just for malls, but generally. In cities, more space is allocated to
cars than to people: about 10 square meters go to each office worker,
15 to 20 to each car, plus the acreage needed for access lanes,
entrances, etc. In London, you'll pay £6.50 per HOUR to park, but if
you are rich enough to live in the same area, you can have annual
parking there for a mere £154. Building a shop with parking adds
nearly 50% to the cost; underground parking under the shop is a great
deal more (apart from the shop having the sweet smell of exhaust in
the air and in the merchandise). Anyone who has walked from the
outreaches of mall parking is aware that a helluva lot of asphalt is
devoted to all that acreage.

The article argues for raising parking rates for everyone in cities to
the point where all of the available spaces are nearly, but not quite,
full. This added expense would tend to eliminate cars and increase
demand for affordable taxis, like Uber and Lyft, and definitely
encourage development of driverless cars that need no parking except
for recharging and are other wise pretty much always on the go.

This might also revive both the malls and (gasp) downtown shopping.
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Post by Don Martin
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall, parking,
and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or need online.
And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily
white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
Last week's _Economist_ has an article on the costs of parking, not just
for malls, but generally. In cities, more space is allocated to cars
than to people: about 10 square meters go to each office worker,
15 to 20 to each car, plus the acreage needed for access lanes,
entrances, etc. In London, you'll pay £6.50 per HOUR to park, but if
you are rich enough to live in the same area, you can have annual
parking there for a mere £154. Building a shop with parking adds nearly
50% to the cost; underground parking under the shop is a great deal more
(apart from the shop having the sweet smell of exhaust in the air and in
the merchandise). Anyone who has walked from the outreaches of mall
parking is aware that a helluva lot of asphalt is devoted to all that
acreage.
The article argues for raising parking rates for everyone in cities to
the point where all of the available spaces are nearly, but not quite,
full. This added expense would tend to eliminate cars and increase
demand for affordable taxis, like Uber and Lyft, and definitely
encourage development of driverless cars that need no parking except for
recharging and are other wise pretty much always on the go.
This might also revive both the malls and (gasp) downtown shopping.
I doubt it. The convenience and travelling time saved by using internet
shopping cannot be mitigated by using other means of transport. Only some
items (mainly clothes, shoes and some furniture) need the purchaser to be
present at the point of sale.
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2017-04-16 14:24:55 UTC
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Post by Don Martin
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Post by Don Martin
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall, parking,
and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or need online.
And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily
white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
Last week's _Economist_ has an article on the costs of parking, not just
for malls, but generally. In cities, more space is allocated to cars
than to people: about 10 square meters go to each office worker,
15 to 20 to each car, plus the acreage needed for access lanes,
entrances, etc. In London, you'll pay £6.50 per HOUR to park, but if
you are rich enough to live in the same area, you can have annual
parking there for a mere £154. Building a shop with parking adds nearly
50% to the cost; underground parking under the shop is a great deal more
(apart from the shop having the sweet smell of exhaust in the air and in
the merchandise). Anyone who has walked from the outreaches of mall
parking is aware that a helluva lot of asphalt is devoted to all that
acreage.
The article argues for raising parking rates for everyone in cities to
the point where all of the available spaces are nearly, but not quite,
full. This added expense would tend to eliminate cars and increase
demand for affordable taxis, like Uber and Lyft, and definitely
encourage development of driverless cars that need no parking except for
recharging and are other wise pretty much always on the go.
This might also revive both the malls and (gasp) downtown shopping.
I doubt it. The convenience and travelling time saved by using internet
shopping cannot be mitigated by using other means of transport. Only some
items (mainly clothes, shoes and some furniture) need the purchaser to be
present at the point of sale.
Much would depend upon other measures taken in response to reduced
demand for parking places. Both in town and in the malls converting
parking lots to parks of various sorts, perhaps surrounded by food
kiosks (the food court transformed), could make going there
interesting enough in itself to increase sales of the shops. Such a
thing would also make cities a great deal more liveable. Here in the
U.S. a pedestrian must cross or circumnavigate acres of parking to get
from one store to another. Strolling through a park is no faster, but
a good deal more pleasant than trudging over or around the same area
of asphalt, particularly on a hot day. Some of the lots could be
developed into living, working, or retail space, lowering the cost of
living in the cities.

You are right about wearables and furniture: I am an easy fit, so I
get most of what I wear online, but GF wants to try everything on.
Right now, this only appears to keep bricks and mortar stores in
business: a lot of people try something on only to know the exact
size of what to order online. Even I, on my very rare purchases of
furniture, prefer to buy with my arse rather than my eyeball.
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2017-04-17 03:51:08 UTC
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Post by Smiler
Post by Don Martin
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 01:29:05 -0500, "Jeanne Douglas"
<snip>
Post by Don Martin
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall,
parking, and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or
need online.
And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily
white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
Last week's _Economist_ has an article on the costs of parking, not
just for malls, but generally. In cities, more space is allocated to
cars than to people: about 10 square meters go to each office worker,
15 to 20 to each car, plus the acreage needed for access lanes,
entrances, etc. In London, you'll pay £6.50 per HOUR to park, but if
you are rich enough to live in the same area, you can have annual
parking there for a mere £154. Building a shop with parking adds
nearly 50% to the cost; underground parking under the shop is a great
deal more (apart from the shop having the sweet smell of exhaust in
the air and in the merchandise). Anyone who has walked from the
outreaches of mall parking is aware that a helluva lot of asphalt is
devoted to all that acreage.
The article argues for raising parking rates for everyone in cities to
the point where all of the available spaces are nearly, but not quite,
full. This added expense would tend to eliminate cars and increase
demand for affordable taxis, like Uber and Lyft, and definitely
encourage development of driverless cars that need no parking except
for recharging and are other wise pretty much always on the go.
This might also revive both the malls and (gasp) downtown shopping.
I doubt it. The convenience and travelling time saved by using internet
shopping cannot be mitigated by using other means of transport. Only
some items (mainly clothes, shoes and some furniture) need the purchaser
to be present at the point of sale.
Much would depend upon other measures taken in response to reduced
demand for parking places. Both in town and in the malls converting
parking lots to parks of various sorts, perhaps surrounded by food
kiosks (the food court transformed), could make going there interesting
enough in itself to increase sales of the shops. Such a thing would
also make cities a great deal more liveable. Here in the U.S. a
pedestrian must cross or circumnavigate acres of parking to get from one
store to another. Strolling through a park is no faster, but a good
deal more pleasant than trudging over or around the same area of
asphalt, particularly on a hot day. Some of the lots could be developed
into living, working, or retail space, lowering the cost of living in
the cities.
You are right about wearables and furniture: I am an easy fit, so I get
most of what I wear online, but GF wants to try everything on. Right
now, this only appears to keep bricks and mortar stores in business: a
lot of people try something on only to know the exact size of what to
order online. Even I, on my very rare purchases of furniture, prefer to
buy with my arse rather than my eyeball.
Yep. Until there's a reliable measure of softness/firmness of furniture,
how can you be sure it's comfortable without applying your arse to it?
If you buy it on line and it's not comfortable, who pays for the return
shipping of the sofa?

I like your idea of environmental improvement, but your argument for
raising parking charges would be regressive and massively discriminate in
favour of the rich. The few parking spaces would be full of Mercs and
Rollers, but poor Joe, in his beat up Ford, wouldn't be able to afford to
park or pay for a taxi. Would you still provide free parking spaces for
disabled drivers or those with small children?

Some cities and towns here are almost 'no parking' zones. You park in a
large car park outside the town and are bussed into the centre. The scheme
is called 'park and ride'. Not only does it solve traffic problems in the
town, it also makes the town less polluted by exhaust fumes. Some towns
charge for the parking and the ride is free, some charge for the ride and
the parking is free and some charge for both. Whichever way, it adds to
the cost of your shopping, which you don't pay when you shop on line.
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All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
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2017-04-17 22:46:55 UTC
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Post by Don Martin
Post by Smiler
Post by Don Martin
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 01:29:05 -0500, "Jeanne Douglas"
<snip>
Post by Don Martin
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall,
parking, and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or
need online.
And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily
white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
Last week's _Economist_ has an article on the costs of parking, not
just for malls, but generally. In cities, more space is allocated to
cars than to people: about 10 square meters go to each office worker,
15 to 20 to each car, plus the acreage needed for access lanes,
entrances, etc. In London, you'll pay £6.50 per HOUR to park, but if
you are rich enough to live in the same area, you can have annual
parking there for a mere £154. Building a shop with parking adds
nearly 50% to the cost; underground parking under the shop is a great
deal more (apart from the shop having the sweet smell of exhaust in
the air and in the merchandise). Anyone who has walked from the
outreaches of mall parking is aware that a helluva lot of asphalt is
devoted to all that acreage.
The article argues for raising parking rates for everyone in cities to
the point where all of the available spaces are nearly, but not quite,
full. This added expense would tend to eliminate cars and increase
demand for affordable taxis, like Uber and Lyft, and definitely
encourage development of driverless cars that need no parking except
for recharging and are other wise pretty much always on the go.
This might also revive both the malls and (gasp) downtown shopping.
I doubt it. The convenience and travelling time saved by using internet
shopping cannot be mitigated by using other means of transport. Only
some items (mainly clothes, shoes and some furniture) need the purchaser
to be present at the point of sale.
Much would depend upon other measures taken in response to reduced
demand for parking places. Both in town and in the malls converting
parking lots to parks of various sorts, perhaps surrounded by food
kiosks (the food court transformed), could make going there interesting
enough in itself to increase sales of the shops. Such a thing would
also make cities a great deal more liveable. Here in the U.S. a
pedestrian must cross or circumnavigate acres of parking to get from one
store to another. Strolling through a park is no faster, but a good
deal more pleasant than trudging over or around the same area of
asphalt, particularly on a hot day. Some of the lots could be developed
into living, working, or retail space, lowering the cost of living in
the cities.
You are right about wearables and furniture: I am an easy fit, so I get
most of what I wear online, but GF wants to try everything on. Right
now, this only appears to keep bricks and mortar stores in business: a
lot of people try something on only to know the exact size of what to
order online. Even I, on my very rare purchases of furniture, prefer to
buy with my arse rather than my eyeball.
Yep. Until there's a reliable measure of softness/firmness of furniture,
how can you be sure it's comfortable without applying your arse to it?
If you buy it on line and it's not comfortable, who pays for the return
shipping of the sofa?
I like your idea of environmental improvement, but your argument for
raising parking charges would be regressive and massively discriminate in
favour of the rich. The few parking spaces would be full of Mercs and
Rollers, but poor Joe, in his beat up Ford, wouldn't be able to afford to
park or pay for a taxi. Would you still provide free parking spaces for
disabled drivers or those with small children?
The argument that the Economist makes is that such a situation would
promote the widespread adoption of cheap driverless taxis, which,
considering that even Joe, like the rest of us, only drives his
beat-up Ford 5% of the time, yet pays for insurance, licensing, etc.
year round, would be a relative bargain (once the transition period is
navigated--until then, Joe would be screwed, but then the poor always
have been, haven't they?)
Post by Smiler
Some cities and towns here are almost 'no parking' zones. You park in a
large car park outside the town and are bussed into the centre. The scheme
is called 'park and ride'. Not only does it solve traffic problems in the
town, it also makes the town less polluted by exhaust fumes. Some towns
charge for the parking and the ride is free, some charge for the ride and
the parking is free and some charge for both. Whichever way, it adds to
the cost of your shopping, which you don't pay when you shop on line.
When faced with $5 and more per hour of city parking, park and ride is
a bargain. Online shopping may be attended with S&H costs (and I am
convinced that some vendors make their only profit from them), or, as
with Amazon here, the "free" shipping comes with prime membership with
a $90+ annual fee. (worth it, though, if you order a lot).
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
Alex W.
2017-04-18 08:25:48 UTC
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Post by Smiler
Post by Don Martin
Post by Smiler
Post by Don Martin
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 01:29:05 -0500, "Jeanne Douglas"
<snip>
Post by Don Martin
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall,
parking, and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or
need online.
And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily
white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
Last week's _Economist_ has an article on the costs of parking, not
just for malls, but generally. In cities, more space is allocated to
cars than to people: about 10 square meters go to each office worker,
15 to 20 to each car, plus the acreage needed for access lanes,
entrances, etc. In London, you'll pay £6.50 per HOUR to park, but if
you are rich enough to live in the same area, you can have annual
parking there for a mere £154. Building a shop with parking adds
nearly 50% to the cost; underground parking under the shop is a great
deal more (apart from the shop having the sweet smell of exhaust in
the air and in the merchandise). Anyone who has walked from the
outreaches of mall parking is aware that a helluva lot of asphalt is
devoted to all that acreage.
The article argues for raising parking rates for everyone in cities to
the point where all of the available spaces are nearly, but not quite,
full. This added expense would tend to eliminate cars and increase
demand for affordable taxis, like Uber and Lyft, and definitely
encourage development of driverless cars that need no parking except
for recharging and are other wise pretty much always on the go.
This might also revive both the malls and (gasp) downtown shopping.
I doubt it. The convenience and travelling time saved by using internet
shopping cannot be mitigated by using other means of transport. Only
some items (mainly clothes, shoes and some furniture) need the purchaser
to be present at the point of sale.
Much would depend upon other measures taken in response to reduced
demand for parking places. Both in town and in the malls converting
parking lots to parks of various sorts, perhaps surrounded by food
kiosks (the food court transformed), could make going there interesting
enough in itself to increase sales of the shops. Such a thing would
also make cities a great deal more liveable. Here in the U.S. a
pedestrian must cross or circumnavigate acres of parking to get from one
store to another. Strolling through a park is no faster, but a good
deal more pleasant than trudging over or around the same area of
asphalt, particularly on a hot day. Some of the lots could be developed
into living, working, or retail space, lowering the cost of living in
the cities.
You are right about wearables and furniture: I am an easy fit, so I get
most of what I wear online, but GF wants to try everything on. Right
now, this only appears to keep bricks and mortar stores in business: a
lot of people try something on only to know the exact size of what to
order online. Even I, on my very rare purchases of furniture, prefer to
buy with my arse rather than my eyeball.
Yep. Until there's a reliable measure of softness/firmness of furniture,
how can you be sure it's comfortable without applying your arse to it?
If you buy it on line and it's not comfortable, who pays for the return
shipping of the sofa?
I like your idea of environmental improvement, but your argument for
raising parking charges would be regressive and massively discriminate in
favour of the rich. The few parking spaces would be full of Mercs and
Rollers, but poor Joe, in his beat up Ford, wouldn't be able to afford to
park or pay for a taxi. Would you still provide free parking spaces for
disabled drivers or those with small children?
The argument that the Economist makes is that such a situation would
promote the widespread adoption of cheap driverless taxis, which,
considering that even Joe, like the rest of us, only drives his
beat-up Ford 5% of the time, yet pays for insurance, licensing, etc.
year round, would be a relative bargain (once the transition period is
navigated--until then, Joe would be screwed, but then the poor always
have been, haven't they?)
I suspect that those who need cars on a daily basis and who carry the
tools of their trade with them, such as carpenters or electricians, will
continue to operate their own vehicles, driverless or not. It simply
would not be practical for them to clean out their kit after every
single trip.
Post by Don Martin
Post by Smiler
Some cities and towns here are almost 'no parking' zones. You park in a
large car park outside the town and are bussed into the centre. The scheme
is called 'park and ride'. Not only does it solve traffic problems in the
town, it also makes the town less polluted by exhaust fumes. Some towns
charge for the parking and the ride is free, some charge for the ride and
the parking is free and some charge for both. Whichever way, it adds to
the cost of your shopping, which you don't pay when you shop on line.
When faced with $5 and more per hour of city parking, park and ride is
a bargain. Online shopping may be attended with S&H costs (and I am
convinced that some vendors make their only profit from them), or, as
with Amazon here, the "free" shipping comes with prime membership with
a $90+ annual fee. (worth it, though, if you order a lot).
Smiler does make a good point, though: with rising costs, car ownership
becomes even more of a status symbol than it already is. And the more
"socialised" driving becomes, the more the status of having exclusive
ownership and use of a vehicle will rise.
Don Martin
2017-04-18 22:05:49 UTC
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Post by Don Martin
Post by Smiler
Post by Don Martin
Post by Smiler
Post by Don Martin
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 01:29:05 -0500, "Jeanne Douglas"
<snip>
Post by Don Martin
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall,
parking, and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or
need online.
And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily
white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
Last week's _Economist_ has an article on the costs of parking, not
just for malls, but generally. In cities, more space is allocated to
cars than to people: about 10 square meters go to each office worker,
15 to 20 to each car, plus the acreage needed for access lanes,
entrances, etc. In London, you'll pay £6.50 per HOUR to park, but if
you are rich enough to live in the same area, you can have annual
parking there for a mere £154. Building a shop with parking adds
nearly 50% to the cost; underground parking under the shop is a great
deal more (apart from the shop having the sweet smell of exhaust in
the air and in the merchandise). Anyone who has walked from the
outreaches of mall parking is aware that a helluva lot of asphalt is
devoted to all that acreage.
The article argues for raising parking rates for everyone in cities to
the point where all of the available spaces are nearly, but not quite,
full. This added expense would tend to eliminate cars and increase
demand for affordable taxis, like Uber and Lyft, and definitely
encourage development of driverless cars that need no parking except
for recharging and are other wise pretty much always on the go.
This might also revive both the malls and (gasp) downtown shopping.
I doubt it. The convenience and travelling time saved by using internet
shopping cannot be mitigated by using other means of transport. Only
some items (mainly clothes, shoes and some furniture) need the purchaser
to be present at the point of sale.
Much would depend upon other measures taken in response to reduced
demand for parking places. Both in town and in the malls converting
parking lots to parks of various sorts, perhaps surrounded by food
kiosks (the food court transformed), could make going there interesting
enough in itself to increase sales of the shops. Such a thing would
also make cities a great deal more liveable. Here in the U.S. a
pedestrian must cross or circumnavigate acres of parking to get from one
store to another. Strolling through a park is no faster, but a good
deal more pleasant than trudging over or around the same area of
asphalt, particularly on a hot day. Some of the lots could be developed
into living, working, or retail space, lowering the cost of living in
the cities.
You are right about wearables and furniture: I am an easy fit, so I get
most of what I wear online, but GF wants to try everything on. Right
now, this only appears to keep bricks and mortar stores in business: a
lot of people try something on only to know the exact size of what to
order online. Even I, on my very rare purchases of furniture, prefer to
buy with my arse rather than my eyeball.
Yep. Until there's a reliable measure of softness/firmness of furniture,
how can you be sure it's comfortable without applying your arse to it?
If you buy it on line and it's not comfortable, who pays for the return
shipping of the sofa?
I like your idea of environmental improvement, but your argument for
raising parking charges would be regressive and massively discriminate in
favour of the rich. The few parking spaces would be full of Mercs and
Rollers, but poor Joe, in his beat up Ford, wouldn't be able to afford to
park or pay for a taxi. Would you still provide free parking spaces for
disabled drivers or those with small children?
The argument that the Economist makes is that such a situation would
promote the widespread adoption of cheap driverless taxis, which,
considering that even Joe, like the rest of us, only drives his
beat-up Ford 5% of the time, yet pays for insurance, licensing, etc.
year round, would be a relative bargain (once the transition period is
navigated--until then, Joe would be screwed, but then the poor always
have been, haven't they?)
I suspect that those who need cars on a daily basis and who carry the
tools of their trade with them, such as carpenters or electricians, will
continue to operate their own vehicles, driverless or not. It simply
would not be practical for them to clean out their kit after every
single trip.
But of course. My father was an electrician and probably hauled
around a ton or more of tools, wire, fittings, and other odds and ends
in an old bread van.
Post by Alex W.
Post by Don Martin
Post by Smiler
Some cities and towns here are almost 'no parking' zones. You park in a
large car park outside the town and are bussed into the centre. The scheme
is called 'park and ride'. Not only does it solve traffic problems in the
town, it also makes the town less polluted by exhaust fumes. Some towns
charge for the parking and the ride is free, some charge for the ride and
the parking is free and some charge for both. Whichever way, it adds to
the cost of your shopping, which you don't pay when you shop on line.
When faced with $5 and more per hour of city parking, park and ride is
a bargain. Online shopping may be attended with S&H costs (and I am
convinced that some vendors make their only profit from them), or, as
with Amazon here, the "free" shipping comes with prime membership with
a $90+ annual fee. (worth it, though, if you order a lot).
Smiler does make a good point, though: with rising costs, car ownership
becomes even more of a status symbol than it already is. And the more
"socialised" driving becomes, the more the status of having exclusive
ownership and use of a vehicle will rise.
I have always thought that we would be better of had automobiles
remained the playthings of the rich. As transport for the masses,
they are a pain in the arse.
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
Alex W.
2017-04-17 23:22:01 UTC
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Post by Smiler
Post by Don Martin
Post by Smiler
Post by Don Martin
Last week's _Economist_ has an article on the costs of parking, not
just for malls, but generally. In cities, more space is allocated to
cars than to people: about 10 square meters go to each office worker,
15 to 20 to each car, plus the acreage needed for access lanes,
entrances, etc. In London, you'll pay £6.50 per HOUR to park, but if
you are rich enough to live in the same area, you can have annual
parking there for a mere £154. Building a shop with parking adds
nearly 50% to the cost; underground parking under the shop is a great
deal more (apart from the shop having the sweet smell of exhaust in
the air and in the merchandise). Anyone who has walked from the
outreaches of mall parking is aware that a helluva lot of asphalt is
devoted to all that acreage.
The article argues for raising parking rates for everyone in cities to
the point where all of the available spaces are nearly, but not quite,
full. This added expense would tend to eliminate cars and increase
demand for affordable taxis, like Uber and Lyft, and definitely
encourage development of driverless cars that need no parking except
for recharging and are other wise pretty much always on the go.
This might also revive both the malls and (gasp) downtown shopping.
I doubt it. The convenience and travelling time saved by using internet
shopping cannot be mitigated by using other means of transport. Only
some items (mainly clothes, shoes and some furniture) need the purchaser
to be present at the point of sale.
Much would depend upon other measures taken in response to reduced
demand for parking places. Both in town and in the malls converting
parking lots to parks of various sorts, perhaps surrounded by food
kiosks (the food court transformed), could make going there interesting
enough in itself to increase sales of the shops. Such a thing would
also make cities a great deal more liveable. Here in the U.S. a
pedestrian must cross or circumnavigate acres of parking to get from one
store to another. Strolling through a park is no faster, but a good
deal more pleasant than trudging over or around the same area of
asphalt, particularly on a hot day. Some of the lots could be developed
into living, working, or retail space, lowering the cost of living in
the cities.
You are right about wearables and furniture: I am an easy fit, so I get
most of what I wear online, but GF wants to try everything on. Right
now, this only appears to keep bricks and mortar stores in business: a
lot of people try something on only to know the exact size of what to
order online. Even I, on my very rare purchases of furniture, prefer to
buy with my arse rather than my eyeball.
Yep. Until there's a reliable measure of softness/firmness of furniture,
how can you be sure it's comfortable without applying your arse to it?
If you buy it on line and it's not comfortable, who pays for the return
shipping of the sofa?
Merchants may ultimately have to re-invent themselves as e-tailing
consultants. Most people I know wander into a big department store or
specialist retailer to look at items, say a dishwasher or a fridge, make
their decision ... and then politely tell the assistant "thanks so much
for your help, but we have to think about it", go home and order it
online. Thus, you would wander into a "shop" stocking a large number of
sofas, test-sit them for firmness/softness and comfort, look at swatches
for colour and fabric, and then decide what to buy. This would probably
involve some sort of service fee, which might be waived or counted
against the purchase price if you buy from that particular merchant.

I for one would welcome such an evolutionary step. Not everything can
be commoditised to a degree suitable for online sales.
Post by Smiler
I like your idea of environmental improvement, but your argument for
raising parking charges would be regressive and massively discriminate in
favour of the rich. The few parking spaces would be full of Mercs and
Rollers, but poor Joe, in his beat up Ford, wouldn't be able to afford to
park or pay for a taxi. Would you still provide free parking spaces for
disabled drivers or those with small children?
That would rather depend on the fares charged, would it not? Look at
London: with every step of deregulation, the expensive black cabs lose
more business to Uber or private hire cars who quite simply undercut
them. The bottom line will probably be the cost per mile of the
particular vehicle plus a few per cent for the driver, but that does
leave a LOT of room. The running cost for a Ford Mondeo, for example,
is less than 12 pence per mile ($0.15).
Post by Smiler
Some cities and towns here are almost 'no parking' zones. You park in a
large car park outside the town and are bussed into the centre. The scheme
is called 'park and ride'. Not only does it solve traffic problems in the
town, it also makes the town less polluted by exhaust fumes. Some towns
charge for the parking and the ride is free, some charge for the ride and
the parking is free and some charge for both. Whichever way, it adds to
the cost of your shopping, which you don't pay when you shop on line.
Park and ride works well for many people and is definitely worth
implementing, but it does not work in large cities where the "ride" part
becomes so long that it becomes a bother.

It also has the drawback that it is really not all that convenient when
you have to herd small children or carry lots of shopping.
Smiler
2017-04-19 02:23:39 UTC
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Post by Alex W.
Post by Smiler
Post by Don Martin
Post by Smiler
Post by Don Martin
Last week's _Economist_ has an article on the costs of parking, not
just for malls, but generally. In cities, more space is allocated
to cars than to people: about 10 square meters go to each office
worker,
15 to 20 to each car, plus the acreage needed for access lanes,
entrances, etc. In London, you'll pay £6.50 per HOUR to park, but
if you are rich enough to live in the same area, you can have annual
parking there for a mere £154. Building a shop with parking adds
nearly 50% to the cost; underground parking under the shop is a
great deal more (apart from the shop having the sweet smell of
exhaust in the air and in the merchandise). Anyone who has walked
from the outreaches of mall parking is aware that a helluva lot of
asphalt is devoted to all that acreage.
The article argues for raising parking rates for everyone in cities
to the point where all of the available spaces are nearly, but not
quite,
full. This added expense would tend to eliminate cars and increase
demand for affordable taxis, like Uber and Lyft, and definitely
encourage development of driverless cars that need no parking except
for recharging and are other wise pretty much always on the go.
This might also revive both the malls and (gasp) downtown shopping.
I doubt it. The convenience and travelling time saved by using
internet shopping cannot be mitigated by using other means of
transport. Only some items (mainly clothes, shoes and some furniture)
need the purchaser to be present at the point of sale.
Much would depend upon other measures taken in response to reduced
demand for parking places. Both in town and in the malls converting
parking lots to parks of various sorts, perhaps surrounded by food
kiosks (the food court transformed), could make going there
interesting enough in itself to increase sales of the shops. Such a
thing would also make cities a great deal more liveable. Here in the
U.S. a pedestrian must cross or circumnavigate acres of parking to get
from one store to another. Strolling through a park is no faster, but
a good deal more pleasant than trudging over or around the same area
of asphalt, particularly on a hot day. Some of the lots could be
developed into living, working, or retail space, lowering the cost of
living in the cities.
You are right about wearables and furniture: I am an easy fit, so I
get most of what I wear online, but GF wants to try everything on.
Right now, this only appears to keep bricks and mortar stores in
business: a lot of people try something on only to know the exact
size of what to order online. Even I, on my very rare purchases of
furniture, prefer to buy with my arse rather than my eyeball.
Yep. Until there's a reliable measure of softness/firmness of
furniture, how can you be sure it's comfortable without applying your
arse to it?
If you buy it on line and it's not comfortable, who pays for the return
shipping of the sofa?
Merchants may ultimately have to re-invent themselves as e-tailing
consultants. Most people I know wander into a big department store or
specialist retailer to look at items, say a dishwasher or a fridge, make
their decision ... and then politely tell the assistant "thanks so much
for your help, but we have to think about it", go home and order it
online. Thus, you would wander into a "shop" stocking a large number of
sofas, test-sit them for firmness/softness and comfort, look at swatches
for colour and fabric, and then decide what to buy. This would probably
involve some sort of service fee, which might be waived or counted
against the purchase price if you buy from that particular merchant.
I for one would welcome such an evolutionary step. Not everything can
be commoditised to a degree suitable for online sales.
Yep. That was my point.
My thoughts were about buying a bed/mattress. Unless you can 'arse-test'
it, how would you know it's comfortable.
Post by Alex W.
Post by Smiler
I like your idea of environmental improvement, but your argument for
raising parking charges would be regressive and massively discriminate
in favour of the rich. The few parking spaces would be full of Mercs
and Rollers, but poor Joe, in his beat up Ford, wouldn't be able to
afford to park or pay for a taxi. Would you still provide free parking
spaces for disabled drivers or those with small children?
That would rather depend on the fares charged, would it not? Look at
London: with every step of deregulation, the expensive black cabs lose
more business to Uber or private hire cars who quite simply undercut
them. The bottom line will probably be the cost per mile of the
particular vehicle plus a few per cent for the driver, but that does
leave a LOT of room. The running cost for a Ford Mondeo, for example,
is less than 12 pence per mile ($0.15).
Let's say the driver is on £10 an hour, not an unreasonable amount. How
far can you drive in London in an hour? I'd guess that 10 miles would be
about average. So that would be another £1 per mile. Hardly a few percent.
Plus the taxi company's cut...
Post by Alex W.
Post by Smiler
Some cities and towns here are almost 'no parking' zones. You park in a
large car park outside the town and are bussed into the centre. The
scheme is called 'park and ride'. Not only does it solve traffic
problems in the town, it also makes the town less polluted by exhaust
fumes. Some towns charge for the parking and the ride is free, some
charge for the ride and the parking is free and some charge for both.
Whichever way, it adds to the cost of your shopping, which you don't
pay when you shop on line.
Park and ride works well for many people and is definitely worth
implementing, but it does not work in large cities where the "ride" part
becomes so long that it becomes a bother.
Or where the charges are too high.
"Bugger that! We'll go somewhere else or shop on line."
Post by Alex W.
It also has the drawback that it is really not all that convenient when
you have to herd small children or carry lots of shopping.
Yep. Imagine trying to carry an Ikea flat-pack wardrobe on and off the bus.
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-20 04:05:35 UTC
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Post by Don Martin
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 01:29:05 -0500, "Jeanne Douglas"
<snip>
Post by Don Martin
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall, parking,
and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or need online.
And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily
white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
Last week's _Economist_ has an article on the costs of parking, not just
for malls, but generally. In cities, more space is allocated to cars
than to people: about 10 square meters go to each office worker,
15 to 20 to each car, plus the acreage needed for access lanes,
entrances, etc. In London, you'll pay £6.50 per HOUR to park, but if
you are rich enough to live in the same area, you can have annual
parking there for a mere £154. Building a shop with parking adds nearly
50% to the cost; underground parking under the shop is a great deal more
(apart from the shop having the sweet smell of exhaust in the air and in
the merchandise). Anyone who has walked from the outreaches of mall
parking is aware that a helluva lot of asphalt is devoted to all that
acreage.
The article argues for raising parking rates for everyone in cities to
the point where all of the available spaces are nearly, but not quite,
full. This added expense would tend to eliminate cars and increase
demand for affordable taxis, like Uber and Lyft, and definitely
encourage development of driverless cars that need no parking except for
recharging and are other wise pretty much always on the go.
This might also revive both the malls and (gasp) downtown shopping.
I doubt it. The convenience and travelling time saved by using internet
shopping cannot be mitigated by using other means of transport. Only some
items (mainly clothes, shoes and some furniture) need the purchaser to be
present at the point of sale.
I buy all of my clothes and shoes online.
--
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http://www.mimousenet.com/mimo/post
Olrik
2017-04-20 04:14:03 UTC
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Post by Don Martin
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 01:29:05 -0500, "Jeanne Douglas"
<snip>
Post by Don Martin
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall, parking,
and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or need online.
And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily
white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
Last week's _Economist_ has an article on the costs of parking, not just
for malls, but generally. In cities, more space is allocated to cars
than to people: about 10 square meters go to each office worker,
15 to 20 to each car, plus the acreage needed for access lanes,
entrances, etc. In London, you'll pay £6.50 per HOUR to park, but if
you are rich enough to live in the same area, you can have annual
parking there for a mere £154. Building a shop with parking adds nearly
50% to the cost; underground parking under the shop is a great deal more
(apart from the shop having the sweet smell of exhaust in the air and in
the merchandise). Anyone who has walked from the outreaches of mall
parking is aware that a helluva lot of asphalt is devoted to all that
acreage.
The article argues for raising parking rates for everyone in cities to
the point where all of the available spaces are nearly, but not quite,
full. This added expense would tend to eliminate cars and increase
demand for affordable taxis, like Uber and Lyft, and definitely
encourage development of driverless cars that need no parking except for
recharging and are other wise pretty much always on the go.
This might also revive both the malls and (gasp) downtown shopping.
I doubt it. The convenience and travelling time saved by using internet
shopping cannot be mitigated by using other means of transport. Only some
items (mainly clothes, shoes and some furniture) need the purchaser to be
present at the point of sale.
I buy all of my clothes and shoes online.
The only clothes I can buy online are shirts, because I only buy the
same ones from LL Bean.

Pants and shoes I need to try. And I'm a GUY!

My gf wouldn't not even buy a cheap pair of socks from the interweb.

What's you secret?
--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-20 12:02:40 UTC
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Post by Don Martin
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 01:29:05 -0500, "Jeanne Douglas"
<snip>
Post by Don Martin
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall, parking,
and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or need online.
And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily
white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
Last week's _Economist_ has an article on the costs of parking, not just
for malls, but generally. In cities, more space is allocated to cars
than to people: about 10 square meters go to each office worker,
15 to 20 to each car, plus the acreage needed for access lanes,
entrances, etc. In London, you'll pay £6.50 per HOUR to park, but if
you are rich enough to live in the same area, you can have annual
parking there for a mere £154. Building a shop with parking adds nearly
50% to the cost; underground parking under the shop is a great deal more
(apart from the shop having the sweet smell of exhaust in the air and in
the merchandise). Anyone who has walked from the outreaches of mall
parking is aware that a helluva lot of asphalt is devoted to all that
acreage.
The article argues for raising parking rates for everyone in cities to
the point where all of the available spaces are nearly, but not quite,
full. This added expense would tend to eliminate cars and increase
demand for affordable taxis, like Uber and Lyft, and definitely
encourage development of driverless cars that need no parking except for
recharging and are other wise pretty much always on the go.
This might also revive both the malls and (gasp) downtown shopping.
I doubt it. The convenience and travelling time saved by using internet
shopping cannot be mitigated by using other means of transport. Only some
items (mainly clothes, shoes and some furniture) need the purchaser to be
present at the point of sale.
I buy all of my clothes and shoes online.
The only clothes I can buy online are shirts, because I only buy the
same ones from LL Bean.
Pants and shoes I need to try. And I'm a GUY!
My gf wouldn't not even buy a cheap pair of socks from the interweb.
What's you secret?
QVC is standardized across all of their lines, even the ones from top designers. Once you find your size in their clothing, you can just concentrate on styles. You get so you know what styles work for you and then you can try things at the edges to try to find new things that work for you. Right now I'm learning the fun of layering, using mostly Lori Goldstein's clothes (she's one of the most famous stylists for photographic work; she has many magazine covers and other photos that have become iconic).
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2017-04-15 19:18:34 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by duke
Post by Joe Bruno
America?s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today?s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy?s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
He's only been in office 9 weeks. He has not done anything that affects the economy. We are still in the Obama great recession.
Of course, internet shopping is taking it's toll.
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall, parking, and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or need online. And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
Twas another mistake on thy part.
Post by Jeanne Douglas
JD
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Joe Bruno
2017-04-18 00:27:49 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by duke
Post by Joe Bruno
America?s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today?s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy?s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
He's only been in office 9 weeks. He has not done anything that affects the economy. We are still in the Obama great recession.
Of course, internet shopping is taking it's toll.
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall, parking, and fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or need online. And now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily white in public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
Really? All 50 states have repealed the provisions of their criminal codes that
prohibit assault and battery? When did this happen?
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-20 04:09:27 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
Post by duke
=20
On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 10:26:37 AM UTC-7, Mitchell Holman wrote=
America?s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
=20
=20
The battered American retail industry took a few more=20
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price=20
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
=20
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.=20
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to=20
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,=20
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue=20
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no=20
longer resonates with today?s shoppers.
=20
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,=20
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,=20
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a=20
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax=20
Partners for about a billion dollars.
=20
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping=20
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could=20
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail=20
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be=20
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower=20
rent in coming years, according to data provided to=20
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
=20
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to=20
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut=20
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same=20
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing=20
since 2009.
=20
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is=20
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced=20
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations=20
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle=20
sluggish demand.
=20
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.=20
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,=20
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
=20
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside=20
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy?s Inc. and=20
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,=20
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
=20
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closin=
g-at-
Post by duke
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
He's only been in office 9 weeks. He has not done anything that affect=
s the economy. We are still in the Obama great recession.
Post by duke
=20
Of course, internet shopping is taking it's toll.
=20
=20
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall, parking, a=
nd fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or need online. And=
now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily white in =
public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
=20
Really? All 50 states have repealed the provisions of their criminal codes =
that
prohibit assault and battery? When did this happen?
Where did I say anything like that?

Throwing the assaulters in jail won't fix your injuries or the blow to your confidence. Better to prevent the attack in the 1st place.
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Joe Bruno
2017-04-21 07:23:30 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Joe Bruno
Post by duke
=20
On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 10:26:37 AM UTC-7, Mitchell Holman wrote=
America?s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
=20
=20
The battered American retail industry took a few more=20
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price=20
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
=20
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.=20
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to=20
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,=20
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue=20
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no=20
longer resonates with today?s shoppers.
=20
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,=20
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,=20
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a=20
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax=20
Partners for about a billion dollars.
=20
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping=20
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could=20
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail=20
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be=20
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower=20
rent in coming years, according to data provided to=20
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
=20
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to=20
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut=20
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same=20
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing=20
since 2009.
=20
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is=20
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced=20
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations=20
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle=20
sluggish demand.
=20
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.=20
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,=20
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
=20
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside=20
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy?s Inc. and=20
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,=20
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
=20
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closin=
g-at-
Post by duke
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
He's only been in office 9 weeks. He has not done anything that affect=
s the economy. We are still in the Obama great recession.
Post by duke
=20
Of course, internet shopping is taking it's toll.
=20
=20
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall, parking, a=
nd fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or need online. And=
now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily white in =
public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
=20
Really? All 50 states have repealed the provisions of their criminal codes =
that
prohibit assault and battery? When did this happen?
Where did I say anything like that?
"And=
Post by Jeanne Douglas
now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily white in =
public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots."
Throwing the assaulters in jail won't fix your injuries or the blow to your confidence. Better to prevent the attack in the 1st place.
ROTFL! The primary purpose of criminal law is to punish lawbreakers publicly so that others will be deterred from committing similar crimes.
NAH! You can't be that ignorant.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-22 13:08:23 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Joe Bruno
Post by duke
=20
On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 10:26:37 AM UTC-7, Mitchell Holman wrote=
America?s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
=20
=20
The battered American retail industry took a few more=20
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price=20
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
=20
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.=20
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to=20
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,=20
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue=20
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no=20
longer resonates with today?s shoppers.
=20
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,=20
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,=20
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a=20
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax=20
Partners for about a billion dollars.
=20
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping=20
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could=20
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail=20
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be=20
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower=20
rent in coming years, according to data provided to=20
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
=20
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to=20
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut=20
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same=20
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing=20
since 2009.
=20
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is=20
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced=20
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations=20
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle=20
sluggish demand.
=20
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.=20
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,=20
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
=20
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside=20
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy?s Inc. and=20
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,=20
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
=20
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closin=
g-at-
Post by duke
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
He's only been in office 9 weeks. He has not done anything that affect=
s the economy. We are still in the Obama great recession.
Post by duke
=20
Of course, internet shopping is taking it's toll.
=20
=20
Yep, duke's right here. Why waste that time driving to a mall, parking, a=
nd fighting crowds when you can order anything you want or need online. And=
now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily white in =
public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots.
=20
Really? All 50 states have repealed the provisions of their criminal codes =
that
prohibit assault and battery? When did this happen?
Where did I say anything like that?
"And=
Post by Jeanne Douglas
now, with so many bigots feeling free to attack anybody not lily white in =
public, why subject yourself to those asshole bogots."
Throwing the assaulters in jail won't fix your injuries or the blow to your confidence. Better to prevent the attack in the 1st place.
ROTFL! The primary purpose of criminal law is to punish lawbreakers publicly so that others will be deterred from committing similar crimes.
NAH! You can't be that ignorant.
So you think throwing someone in prison is better than preventing their crime in the first place?
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duke
2017-04-09 14:02:30 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
Post by Mitchell Holman
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
Welcome to internet shopping.
Post by Mitchell Holman
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
the dukester, American-American

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Joe Bruno
2017-04-10 10:47:45 UTC
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Post by duke
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
Holman's mind is made up and he hates Trump. Don't confuse him with facts.
Mitchell Holman
2017-04-10 12:24:15 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 12:26:30 -0500, Mitchell Holman
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
Holman's mind is made up and he hates Trump. Don't confuse him with facts.
What would you know about facts?




"Chief Justice Earl Warren never went to law school."
Joe Bruno, Aug 25 2015. Warren in fact graduated from
the UC Berkeley law school in 1914
http://tinyurl.com/pms5oav

https://warren.ucsd.edu/about/biography.html
Christopher A. Lee
2017-04-10 14:22:12 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Joe Bruno
On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 12:26:30 -0500, Mitchell Holman
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
As usual, Puke demonstrates his bigotry and intolerance for a highly
intelligent, black liberal President.

Has he been into any major supermarkets, DIY stores, etc?

Has he noticed how self-checkouts are taking over, replacing the
original operators with a single one for anything up to a dozen
stations?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Joe Bruno
Holman's mind is made up and he hates Trump. Don't confuse him with facts.
As usual, Mad Joe lies through his teeth, and is both too stupid and
too narcissistic to realise that these lies reflect himself because he
is incapable of understanding others.

Religion does that to people. And if they are already stupid and have
any tendency towards narcissism, it makes these worse.
Post by Mitchell Holman
What would you know about facts?
"Chief Justice Earl Warren never went to law school."
Joe Bruno, Aug 25 2015. Warren in fact graduated from
the UC Berkeley law school in 1914
http://tinyurl.com/pms5oav
https://warren.ucsd.edu/about/biography.html
Just as he's blind to his own failings, he's blind to Trump's.

Trump doesn't even have an adult reading or even thinking level. He
doesn't want intelligence briefings unless they are single page with
pictures and agree with Fox News.
duke
2017-04-10 16:54:49 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
Post by duke
Post by Mitchell Holman
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
Holman's mind is made up and he hates Trump. Don't confuse him with facts.
It doesn't matter. The knowledge still drips out of the holes in his skull.

the dukester, American-American

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duke
2017-04-19 22:16:03 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
Post by duke
Post by Mitchell Holman
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
Holman's mind is made up and he hates Trump. Don't confuse him with facts.
He's a loser.

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default
2017-04-10 18:12:15 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Mitchell Holman
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
You're almost right. The way the economy reacts we are still seeing
the effects of Ronnie Raygun.
Post by duke
Post by Mitchell Holman
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
Welcome to internet shopping.
Post by Mitchell Holman
The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
the dukester, American-American
*****
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Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
2017-04-11 13:50:40 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Mitchell Holman
America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
You're almost right. The way the economy reacts we are still seeing
the effects of Ronnie Raygun.
Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Post by default
Post by duke
Post by Mitchell Holman
At the bottom, the seemingly ubiquitous Payless Inc.
shoe chain filed for bankruptcy and announced plans to
shutter hundreds of locations. Ralph Lauren Corp.,
meanwhile, said it will close its flagship Fifth Avenue
Polo store -- a symbol of old-fashioned luxury that no
longer resonates with today’s shoppers.
And the teen-apparel retailer Rue21 Inc. could be the
next casualty. The chain, which has about 1,000 stores,
is preparing to file for bankruptcy as soon as this month,
according to people familiar with the situation. Just a
few years ago, it was sold to private equity firm Apax
Partners for about a billion dollars.
The rapid descent of so many retailers has left shopping
malls with hundreds of slots to fill, and the pain could
be just beginning. More than 10 percent of U.S. retail
space, or nearly 1 billion square feet, may need to be
closed, converted to other uses or renegotiated for lower
rent in coming years, according to data provided to
Bloomberg by CoStar Group.
Welcome to internet shopping.
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The blight also is taking a toll on jobs. According to
Labor Department figures released on Friday, retailers cut
around 30,000 positions in March. That was about the same
total as in February and marked the worst two-month showing
since 2009.
Retail defaults are contributing to the trend. Payless is
closing 400 stores as part of a bankruptcy plan announced
on Tuesday. The mammoth chain had roughly 4,000 locations
and 22,000 employees -- more than it needs to handle
sluggish demand.
HHGregg Inc., Gordmans Stores Inc. and Gander Mountain Co.
all entered bankruptcy this year. RadioShack, meanwhile,
filed for Chapter 11 for the second time in two years.
Other companies are plowing ahead with store closures outside
of bankruptcy court. Sears Holdings Corp., Macy’s Inc. and
J.C. Penney Co. are shutting hundreds of locations combined,
reeling from an especially punishing slump in the department-
store industry.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-07/stores-are-closing-at-
a-record-pace-as-amazon-chews-up-retailers
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
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We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."

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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
Your steadfast ability to ignore the obvious would be remarkable,
except for your stupid adherence to ideologies you are unable to view
objectively.
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
Your steadfast ability to ignore the obvious would be remarkable,
except for your stupid adherence to ideologies you are unable to view
objectively.
Are you actually trying to tell me that this wasn't the way 'ratbama operated?
You never heard that??

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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump.
How is that search for the "millions of
illegal voters" coming along?

How about the search the missing crowds
that made his the "biggest inauguration ever"?
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump.
How is that search for the "millions of
illegal voters" coming along?
Starting to show results.
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How about the search the missing crowds
that made his the "biggest inauguration ever"?
Nobody cares.

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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump.
How is that search for the "millions of
illegal voters" coming along?
Starting to show results.
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How about the search the missing crowds
that made his the "biggest inauguration ever"?
Nobody cares.
Trump lied and the photos prove it.

Kinda like the "I will be too busy as
president to play golf" Trump who is heading
to Florida this weekend for his TENTH weekend
of golfing?

At a cost to the public of $3 million per
trip, no less.
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump.
How is that search for the "millions of
illegal voters" coming along?
Starting to show results.
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How about the search the missing crowds
that made his the "biggest inauguration ever"?
Nobody cares.
Trump lied and the photos prove it.
You don't have photos of all the millions that watched on tv.
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Kinda like the "I will be too busy as
president to play golf" Trump who is heading
to Florida this weekend for his TENTH weekend
of golfing?
'ratbama had his vacation white house in Hawaii. Trump has his in Florida.
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At a cost to the public of $3 million per
trip, no less.
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil
of Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump.
How is that search for the "millions of
illegal voters" coming along?
Starting to show results.
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How about the search the missing crowds
that made his the "biggest inauguration ever"?
Nobody cares.
Trump lied and the photos prove it.
You don't have photos of all the millions that watched on tv.
Trump said his inauguration CROWD was the biggest.

The photos prove him wrong.

But since you mention his TV audience:


Trump inaugural TV ratings lower than Obama, Reagan
01/21/17

Trump's nearly 31 million television audience
came 7 million short of Obama's 2009 inauguration,
and had almost 11 million fewer viewers than when
Reagan was sworn into office in 1981.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/315507-trump-inaugural-
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Kinda like the "I will be too busy as
president to play golf" Trump who is heading
to Florida this weekend for his TENTH weekend
of golfing?
'ratbama had his vacation white house in Hawaii. Trump has his in Florida.
Obama never promised to not vacation.

Trump promised to not play golf.

Guess what he will be doing this weekend?
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil
of Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump.
How is that search for the "millions of
illegal voters" coming along?
Starting to show results.
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How about the search the missing crowds
that made his the "biggest inauguration ever"?
Nobody cares.
Trump lied and the photos prove it.
You don't have photos of all the millions that watched on tv.
Trump said his inauguration CROWD was the biggest.
Maybe he was counting all the tv coverage.
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The photos prove him wrong.
Trump inaugural TV ratings lower than Obama, Reagan
01/21/17
Haahaahaa. Did you take your own survey?
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Obama never promised to not vacation.
Trump promised to not play golf.
Bullshit. Haahaahaa.
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Guess what he will be doing this weekend?
Like me, playing some golf I hope.

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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.

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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.

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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
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We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.
How did he "originate" them?
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.
How did he "originate" them?
Probably with intelligence of the bad things taking place.

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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.
How did he "originate" them?
Probably with intelligence of the bad things taking place.
You realize that's not an answer. Not even close. Actually, you probably don't have a clue.
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.
How did he "originate" them?
Probably with intelligence of the bad things taking place.
You realize that's not an answer. Not even close. Actually, you probably don't have a clue.
I'm not his Chief of Staff. But it was his platform for running for President.

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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.
How did he "originate" them?
Probably with intelligence of the bad things taking place.
You realize that's not an answer. Not even close. Actually, you probably don't have a clue.
I'm not his Chief of Staff. But it was his platform for running for President.
It was a platform without a plan. He had no clue what to do, as proven by his comment that nobody knew how complicated health care was.
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.
How did he "originate" them?
Probably with intelligence of the bad things taking place.
You realize that's not an answer. Not even close. Actually, you probably don't have a clue.
I'm not his Chief of Staff. But it was his platform for running for President.
It was a platform without a plan. He had no clue what to do, as proven by his comment that nobody knew how complicated health care was.
Haahaahaa. He had a solid platform to run on and he's following thru.

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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.
How did he "originate" them?
Probably with intelligence of the bad things taking place.
You realize that's not an answer. Not even close. Actually, you probably don't have a clue.
I'm not his Chief of Staff. But it was his platform for running for President.
It was a platform without a plan. He had no clue what to do, as proven by his comment that nobody knew how complicated health care was.
Haahaahaa. He had a solid platform to run on and he's following thru.
"Make American Great Again" is not a platform.

My health insurance policty will be great is not a platform.

The ONLY thing Trump has accomplished is approving everything that will kill Americans or make them sick. Or Gorsuch, who was laughed at by all 8 of the other Justices for comments he made on his first day.
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.
How did he "originate" them?
Probably with intelligence of the bad things taking place.
You realize that's not an answer. Not even close. Actually, you probably don't have a clue.
I'm not his Chief of Staff. But it was his platform for running for President.
It was a platform without a plan. He had no clue what to do, as proven by his comment that nobody knew how complicated health care was.
Haahaahaa. He had a solid platform to run on and he's following thru.
"Make American Great Again" is not a platform.
Neither is "we're better together than separate" as crooked hil tried.
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My health insurance policty will be great is not a platform.
America is on it's way..
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The ONLY thing Trump has accomplished is approving everything that will kill Americans or make them sick. Or Gorsuch, who was laughed at by all 8 of the other Justices for comments he made on his first day.
WASHINGTON -  Justice Neil Gorsuch dived into the public side of his new job
Monday, piping up early and often as he took his seat on the Supreme Court bench
for the first time to hear arguments.

The new justice waited just 11 minutes before asking questions in the first of
three cases the court heard Monday, its first session since President Donald
Trump's pick was sworn in one week earlier.

The 49-year-old Gorsuch echoed his own confirmation hearing testimony with
questions focused on the text of federal laws and rules at issue before the
court. He employed a bit of humor, expressed a modicum of humility, showed a
hint of irritation and even channeled Justice Antonin Scalia, the man he
replaced, with a touch of sarcasm.

"Wouldn't it be a lot easier if we just followed the plain text of the statute?"
Gorsuch asked during the first argument, a highly technical case about which
court federal employees go to with some discrimination claims.

Roberts issued the standard welcome for new justices, wishing Gorsuch "a long
and happy career in our common calling." Gorsuch thanked his new colleagues for
their "warm welcome."

===> He shared a laugh with his seatmate, Justice Sonia Sotomayor, before
arguments began.

The first case was so dense that even the justices who can wax eloquent over a
misplaced comma were beside themselves.

"Who wrote this statute? Somebody who takes pleasure out of pulling the wings
off flies?" Justice Samuel Alito said to laughter.

Gorsuch drew a few laughs of his own in an exchange with lawyer Christopher
Landau, who is representing a former federal worker.

"I think I am maybe emphatically agreeing with you and...," Landau said.
Gorsuch cut in: "I hope so."

But at another point, when Landau said his client wasn't asking the court to
break new ground in its decision, Gorsuch launched a zinger reminiscent of
Scalia.

"No, just to continue to make it up," he said.

He also apologized to Landau for asking so many questions in a row. "I'm sorry
for taking up so much time," Gorsuch said.

In the second case, he repeatedly tried to elicit an answer from lawyer Shay
Dvoretzky.

"If you'd just answer my question, I'd be grateful," Gorsuch said, flashing
frustration.

The cases are expected to be decided before the end of June.

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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.
How did he "originate" them?
Probably with intelligence of the bad things taking place.
You realize that's not an answer. Not even close. Actually, you probably don't have a clue.
I'm not his Chief of Staff. But it was his platform for running for President.
It was a platform without a plan. He had no clue what to do, as proven by his comment that nobody knew how complicated health care was.
Haahaahaa. He had a solid platform to run on and he's following thru.
"Make American Great Again" is not a platform.
Neither is "we're better together than separate" as crooked hil tried.
That was a slogan, not a platform. But now I see your problem--you don't know the difference between a slogan and a platform.
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My health insurance policty will be great is not a platform.
America is on it's way..
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The ONLY thing Trump has accomplished is approving everything that will kill Americans or make them sick. Or Gorsuch, who was laughed at by all 8 of the other Justices for comments he made on his first day.
Thank you for proving my point with your plagiarism.
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WASHINGTON - Justice Neil Gorsuch dived into the public side of his new job
Monday, piping up early and often as he took his seat on the Supreme Court bench
for the first time to hear arguments.
The new justice waited just 11 minutes before asking questions in the first of
three cases the court heard Monday, its first session since President Donald
Trump's pick was sworn in one week earlier.
The 49-year-old Gorsuch echoed his own confirmation hearing testimony with
questions focused on the text of federal laws and rules at issue before the
court. He employed a bit of humor, expressed a modicum of humility, showed a
hint of irritation and even channeled Justice Antonin Scalia, the man he
replaced, with a touch of sarcasm.
"Wouldn't it be a lot easier if we just followed the plain text of the statute?"
Gorsuch asked during the first argument, a highly technical case about which
court federal employees go to with some discrimination claims.
Roberts issued the standard welcome for new justices, wishing Gorsuch "a long
and happy career in our common calling." Gorsuch thanked his new colleagues for
their "warm welcome."
===> He shared a laugh with his seatmate, Justice Sonia Sotomayor, before
arguments began.
The first case was so dense that even the justices who can wax eloquent over a
misplaced comma were beside themselves.
"Who wrote this statute? Somebody who takes pleasure out of pulling the wings
off flies?" Justice Samuel Alito said to laughter.
Gorsuch drew a few laughs of his own in an exchange with lawyer Christopher
Landau, who is representing a former federal worker.
"I think I am maybe emphatically agreeing with you and...," Landau said.
Gorsuch cut in: "I hope so."
But at another point, when Landau said his client wasn't asking the court to
break new ground in its decision, Gorsuch launched a zinger reminiscent of
Scalia.
"No, just to continue to make it up," he said.
He also apologized to Landau for asking so many questions in a row. "I'm sorry
for taking up so much time," Gorsuch said.
In the second case, he repeatedly tried to elicit an answer from lawyer Shay
Dvoretzky.
"If you'd just answer my question, I'd be grateful," Gorsuch said, flashing
frustration.
The cases are expected to be decided before the end of June.
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.
How did he "originate" them?
Probably with intelligence of the bad things taking place.
You realize that's not an answer. Not even close. Actually, you probably don't have a clue.
I'm not his Chief of Staff. But it was his platform for running for President.
It was a platform without a plan. He had no clue what to do, as proven by his comment that nobody knew how complicated health care was.
Haahaahaa. He had a solid platform to run on and he's following thru.
"Make American Great Again" is not a platform.
Neither is "we're better together than separate" as crooked hil tried.
That was a slogan, not a platform. But now I see your problem--you don't know the difference between a slogan and a platform.
Yet with the slogan goes a plan. Crooked hil failed.
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The ONLY thing Trump has accomplished is approving everything that will kill Americans or make them sick. Or Gorsuch, who was laughed at by all 8 of the other Justices for comments he made on his first day.
Thank you for proving my point with your plagiarism.
Heeheehee. I'm going to love it if President Trump puts 2 more conservatives
ont eh USSC.
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WASHINGTON - Justice Neil Gorsuch dived into the public side of his new job
Monday, piping up early and often as he took his seat on the Supreme Court bench
for the first time to hear arguments.
The new justice waited just 11 minutes before asking questions in the first of
three cases the court heard Monday, its first session since President Donald
Trump's pick was sworn in one week earlier.
The 49-year-old Gorsuch echoed his own confirmation hearing testimony with
questions focused on the text of federal laws and rules at issue before the
court. He employed a bit of humor, expressed a modicum of humility, showed a
hint of irritation and even channeled Justice Antonin Scalia, the man he
replaced, with a touch of sarcasm.
"Wouldn't it be a lot easier if we just followed the plain text of the statute?"
Gorsuch asked during the first argument, a highly technical case about which
court federal employees go to with some discrimination claims.
Roberts issued the standard welcome for new justices, wishing Gorsuch "a long
and happy career in our common calling." Gorsuch thanked his new colleagues for
their "warm welcome."
===> He shared a laugh with his seatmate, Justice Sonia Sotomayor, before
arguments began.
The first case was so dense that even the justices who can wax eloquent over a
misplaced comma were beside themselves.
"Who wrote this statute? Somebody who takes pleasure out of pulling the wings
off flies?" Justice Samuel Alito said to laughter.
Gorsuch drew a few laughs of his own in an exchange with lawyer Christopher
Landau, who is representing a former federal worker.
"I think I am maybe emphatically agreeing with you and...," Landau said.
Gorsuch cut in: "I hope so."
But at another point, when Landau said his client wasn't asking the court to
break new ground in its decision, Gorsuch launched a zinger reminiscent of
Scalia.
"No, just to continue to make it up," he said.
He also apologized to Landau for asking so many questions in a row. "I'm sorry
for taking up so much time," Gorsuch said.
In the second case, he repeatedly tried to elicit an answer from lawyer Shay
Dvoretzky.
"If you'd just answer my question, I'd be grateful," Gorsuch said, flashing
frustration.
The cases are expected to be decided before the end of June.
Heeheehee.

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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.
How did he "originate" them?
Probably with intelligence of the bad things taking place.
You realize that's not an answer. Not even close. Actually, you probably don't have a clue.
I'm not his Chief of Staff. But it was his platform for running for President.
It was a platform without a plan. He had no clue what to do, as proven by his comment that nobody knew how complicated health care was.
Haahaahaa. He had a solid platform to run on and he's following thru.
"Make American Great Again" is not a platform.
My health insurance policty will be great is not a platform.
The ONLY thing Trump has accomplished is approving everything that will kill Americans or make them sick. Or Gorsuch, who was laughed at by all 8 of the other Justices for comments he made on his first day.
EVIDENCE???????????????????
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Wienie 'ratbama tried to destroy America.
Even if that were true, he's small potatoes compared to the evil of
Trump.
We have a REAL POTUS in Donald Trump. Leadership under 'ratbama was "send me
something and I'll sign it."
What the fuck are you talking about? Trump has already admitted signing executive orders without reading them.
He originate them. Stupid 'ratbama couldn't lead himself to the can.
How did he "originate" them?
Probably with intelligence of the bad things taking place.
You realize that's not an answer. Not even close. Actually, you probably don't have a clue.
I'm not his Chief of Staff. But it was his platform for running for President.
It was a platform without a plan. He had no clue what to do, as proven by his comment that nobody knew how complicated health care was.
Haahaahaa. He had a solid platform to run on and he's following thru.
"Make American Great Again" is not a platform.
My health insurance policty will be great is not a platform.
The ONLY thing Trump has accomplished is approving everything that will kill Americans or make them sick. Or Gorsuch, who was laughed at by all 8 of the other Justices for comments he made on his first day.
EVIDENCE???????????????????
Dozens of news articles.
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America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
You're almost right. The way the economy reacts we are still seeing
the effects of Ronnie Raygun.
LOL! Reagan left office in 1988,29 years ago.
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America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
You're almost right. The way the economy reacts we are still seeing
the effects of Ronnie Raygun.
LOL! Reagan left office in 1988,29 years ago.
True, yet he's primarily responsible for "deregulation" that made the
housing bubble possible and the collapse more severe, the new spate of
wonder drugs that are on the market then litigated because they should
never have gotten approval (thankfully we haven't had "tort reform"
his other predictable whammy, which would prevent you from suing drug
companies) and he put forth a religious agenda on the one hand,
sucking up to Billy Graham, while he and his wife took the occult
seriously. Trickle down economics is partly responsible for most of
the wealth being concentrated in the top 1% - where it doesn't really
aid the economy because they don't spend money the way the middle
class does.

The economy is a complex interrelated system and responds to market
forces, weather, natural disasters, government tinkering, political
unrest, etc., and it has a time-constant measured in decades.
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America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
You're almost right. The way the economy reacts we are still seeing
the effects of Ronnie Raygun.
LOL! Reagan left office in 1988,29 years ago.
True, yet he's primarily responsible for "deregulation" that made the
housing bubble possible and the collapse more severe, the new spate of
wonder drugs that are on the market then litigated because they should
never have gotten approval (thankfully we haven't had "tort reform"
his other predictable whammy, which would prevent you from suing drug
companies) and he put forth a religious agenda on the one hand,
sucking up to Billy Graham, while he and his wife took the occult
seriously. Trickle down economics is partly responsible for most of
the wealth being concentrated in the top 1% - where it doesn't really
aid the economy because they don't spend money the way the middle
class does.
Not to mention eliminating the Fairness Doctrine
and starting the Merger Mania that resulted in just
a handfull of companies controlling all our banking
and insurance and media outlets.
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America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
You're almost right. The way the economy reacts we are still seeing
the effects of Ronnie Raygun.
LOL! Reagan left office in 1988,29 years ago.
True, yet he's primarily responsible for "deregulation" that made the
housing bubble possible and the collapse more severe, the new spate of
wonder drugs that are on the market then litigated because they should
never have gotten approval (thankfully we haven't had "tort reform"
his other predictable whammy, which would prevent you from suing drug
companies) and he put forth a religious agenda on the one hand,
sucking up to Billy Graham, while he and his wife took the occult
seriously. Trickle down economics is partly responsible for most of
the wealth being concentrated in the top 1% - where it doesn't really
aid the economy because they don't spend money the way the middle
class does.
Not to mention eliminating the Fairness Doctrine
and starting the Merger Mania that resulted in just
a handfull of companies controlling all our banking
and insurance and media outlets.
EVIDENCE??????????????????????????????
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America’s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
You're almost right. The way the economy reacts we are still seeing
the effects of Ronnie Raygun.
LOL! Reagan left office in 1988,29 years ago.
True, yet he's primarily responsible for "deregulation" that made the
housing bubble possible and the collapse more severe, the new spate of
wonder drugs that are on the market then litigated because they should
never have gotten approval (thankfully we haven't had "tort reform"
his other predictable whammy, which would prevent you from suing drug
companies) and he put forth a religious agenda on the one hand,
sucking up to Billy Graham, while he and his wife took the occult
seriously. Trickle down economics is partly responsible for most of
the wealth being concentrated in the top 1% - where it doesn't really
aid the economy because they don't spend money the way the middle
class does.
Not to mention eliminating the Fairness Doctrine
and starting the Merger Mania that resulted in just
a handfull of companies controlling all our banking
and insurance and media outlets.
EVIDENCE??????????????????????????????
You may not have the education to understand how interrelated and
complex the topic is. Economics is NOT a science that the so-called
experts fully understand.
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America?s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
Apr 5 2017
The battered American retail industry took a few more
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
You're almost right. The way the economy reacts we are still seeing
the effects of Ronnie Raygun.
LOL! Reagan left office in 1988,29 years ago.
True, yet he's primarily responsible for "deregulation" that made the
housing bubble possible and the collapse more severe, the new spate of
wonder drugs that are on the market then litigated because they should
never have gotten approval (thankfully we haven't had "tort reform"
his other predictable whammy, which would prevent you from suing drug
companies) and he put forth a religious agenda on the one hand,
sucking up to Billy Graham, while he and his wife took the occult
seriously. Trickle down economics is partly responsible for most of
the wealth being concentrated in the top 1% - where it doesn't really
aid the economy because they don't spend money the way the middle
class does.
Not to mention eliminating the Fairness Doctrine
and starting the Merger Mania that resulted in just
a handfull of companies controlling all our banking
and insurance and media outlets.
EVIDENCE??????????????????????????????
You may not have the education to understand how interrelated and
complex the topic is. Economics is NOT a science that the so-called
experts fully understand.
Don't they call it the "Dismal Science"?
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America=E2=80=99s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
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The battered American retail industry took a few more=20
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spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
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You're almost right. The way the economy reacts we are still seeing
the effects of Ronnie Raygun.
LOL! Reagan left office in 1988,29 years ago.
And the horrible effects still linger.

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America=E2=80=99s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
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The battered American retail industry took a few more=20
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price=20
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
=20
You're almost right. The way the economy reacts we are still seeing
the effects of Ronnie Raygun.
LOL! Reagan left office in 1988,29 years ago.
And the horrible effects still linger.
JD
EVIDENCE???????????????????????????????
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America=E2=80=99s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
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The battered American retail industry took a few more=20
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price=20
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
=20
You're almost right. The way the economy reacts we are still seeing
the effects of Ronnie Raygun.
LOL! Reagan left office in 1988,29 years ago.
And the horrible effects still linger.
JD
EVIDENCE???????????????????????????????
The disappearance of the middle class.
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America=E2=80=99s Retailers Are Closing Stores Faster Than Ever
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The battered American retail industry took a few more=20
lumps this week, with stores at both ends of the price=20
spectrum preparing to close their doors.
Thanks be to 'ratbama. President Trump has only been in office 70 days.
=20
You're almost right. The way the economy reacts we are still seeing
the effects of Ronnie Raygun.
LOL! Reagan left office in 1988,29 years ago.
And the horrible effects still linger.
JD
EVIDENCE???????????????????????????????
The disappearance of the middle class.
EVIDENCE????????????????????????????????
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