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v***@gmail.com
2017-12-07 02:55:42 UTC
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http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/
A Federal Appeals Court has ruled atheism to be a religion.
The 3 judge panel cited, as precedent, an earlier Supreme Court ruling on the issue.
Yap Honghor
2017-12-07 03:14:39 UTC
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http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/
A Federal Appeals Court has ruled atheism to be a religion.
The 3 judge panel cited, as precedent, an earlier Supreme Court ruling on the issue.
Those judges are home schooled idiots who could not understand what is religion???
Cloud Hobbit
2017-12-07 03:35:21 UTC
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From your link:
It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99

You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
Kevrob
2017-12-07 04:01:53 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
This bilge again.

Tandy posted the same thing in October, 2016.

Message-ID: <16488640-f763-4f79-ad3e-***@googlegroups.com>

Is he like the old TV networks, giving us "summer reruns?"

I answered it, so:

From:

Message-ID: <18f2aaec-ee91-4f1a-b106-***@googlegroups.com>

[/quote]

The ruling is here:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1467028.html

Note the date:

United States Court of Appeals,Seventh Circuit.

James J. KAUFMAN, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. Gary R. McCAUGHTRY, et al., Defendants-Appellees.
No. 04-1914.
Decided: August 19, 2005

Arty Joe isn't giving us news, but history.

People who aren't prisoners are allowed to join explicitly
atheist organizations, or religious ones - Unitarian Universalists,
Ethical Culture Society - which do not require belief in a deity.

In his pleading, Kaufman specifically mentioned "humanism."

[quote]

While at Waupun, Kaufman submitted an official form titled “Request for
New Religious Practice,” in which he asked to form an inmate group
interested in humanism, atheism, and free speaking.   The group would
work “[t]o stimulate and promote Freedom of Thought and inquiry
concerning religious beliefs, creeds, dogmas, tenets, rituals and
practices[, and to] educate and provide information concerning
religious beliefs, creeds, dogmas, tenets, rituals, and practices.”  
See Kaufman v. McCaughtry, 2004 WL 257133, *4 (W.D.Wis. Feb.9, 2004).  
Kaufman also submitted a list of atheist groups and literature.   The
officials concluded that Kaufman's request was not motivated by
“religious” beliefs.   Accordingly, rather than evaluating the
proposal under the state's relatively more flexible policy for new
religious groups, see Wis. Admin.   Code § DOC 309.61, they considered
it under the procedure for forming a new inmate activity group, see
Wis. Admin. Code § DOC 309.365.   Applying the latter standard, they
denied the request, stating that they were not forming new activity
groups at that time.

[quote]

Further down, the court explains it is only considering atheism as
a religion in a "...specialized sense....."

[quote]

But when the underlying principle has been examined in the crucible
of litigation, the Court has unambiguously concluded that the
individual freedom of conscience protected by the First Amendment
embraces the right to select any religious faith or none at all.

[/quote]

and again

[quote]

Indeed, Torcaso specifically included “Secular Humanism”
as an example of a religion.  Id. at 495 n. 11, 81 S.Ct. 1680.

[/quote]

The humanists, secular or otherwise, have their own organization:

http://americanhumanist.org/

It is plain that, inmates who wanted to set up a bible study group,
perhaps supported by one of the chaplains serving the prison, or
a group studying another faith, would have privileges atheist
inmates would not have access to, unless they faked interest in
studying some religion.

For the record, IANAL. I was never even a naval officer tasked
with legal duties by his CO when no lawyer was available.
I do know how to use a search engine, and citing the name of the
case, and the opinion is extremely easy in this day and age.

Wikipedia has an article on the Torcaso case, which mooted any
state laws requiring a religious test for office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torcaso_v._Watkins

[/quote]

He reposted April 23, also.

Does he really think regulars on the group have no memory,
and no ability to do an archive search?

What a maroon!

Kevin R
Cloud Hobbit
2017-12-07 04:07:11 UTC
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When you're as brain dead as Art is you can't come up with anything original.
v***@gmail.com
2017-12-07 08:03:32 UTC
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When you're as brain dead as Art is you can't come up with anything original.
You failed my quizzes, didn't you?
hypatiab7
2017-12-07 15:58:04 UTC
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When you're as brain dead as Art is you can't come up with anything original.
You failed my quizzes, didn't you?
The quizzes no one asked for and most of us ignored?
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When you're as brain dead as Art is you can't come up with anything original.
You failed my quizzes, didn't you?
What quizzes?
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TheRealMccoy
2017-12-07 22:18:51 UTC
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The flying pasta freak?
v***@gmail.com
2017-12-07 08:02:06 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
This bilge again.
Tandy posted the same thing in October, 2016.
...and that is bad because?????
You have an amazing talent for posting lots of words that say nothing.
Kevrob
2017-12-07 15:29:25 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
This bilge again.
Tandy posted the same thing in October, 2016.
...and that is bad because?????
1st, your posts are trolls. You bring nothing positive to the groups.
This has been pointed out to you repeatedly, but you continue to post
merely, one presumes, to be vexatious. Unlike our fundie Christian
and Catholic posters, you aren't (yyou say) trying to win converts for
Judaism. You do seem to be trying to get people to accept positions
consonant with some faith, as if you think all the goyim ought to
have some religion. The old "Christianity isn't true, but it is
better for the Jews if the pagans became sorta monotheists" may apply
here. In medieval times it might have been "better for the Jews" of
people converted from pagan to Islam. Times change.

2nd, what is the point of reposting arguments that have already
been hashed out, starting from square one all over again? It wouldn't
be because you got you logical ass kicked, and instead of reviving the
old thread and rebutting said ass-kicking, you prefer to spread your
disinformation in front of those who didn't follow the old argument,
and fool them, would it? That's not going to work. You will be called
on your PRaTTs.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_times
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You have an amazing talent for posting lots of words that say nothing.
Your opinion. Others think my posts have merits, and as they aren't
trolls in the group, their opinions matter. Yours don't.

Kevin R
hypatiab7
2017-12-07 16:12:17 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
This bilge again.
Tandy posted the same thing in October, 2016.
...and that is bad because?????
1st, your posts are trolls. You bring nothing positive to the groups.
This has been pointed out to you repeatedly, but you continue to post
merely, one presumes, to be vexatious. Unlike our fundie Christian
and Catholic posters, you aren't (yyou say) trying to win converts for
Judaism. You do seem to be trying to get people to accept positions
consonant with some faith, as if you think all the goyim ought to
have some religion. The old "Christianity isn't true, but it is
better for the Jews if the pagans became sorta monotheists" may apply
here. In medieval times it might have been "better for the Jews" of
people converted from pagan to Islam. Times change.
2nd, what is the point of reposting arguments that have already
been hashed out, starting from square one all over again? It wouldn't
be because you got you logical ass kicked, and instead of reviving the
old thread and rebutting said ass-kicking, you prefer to spread your
disinformation in front of those who didn't follow the old argument,
and fool them, would it? That's not going to work. You will be called
on your PRaTTs.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_times
Post by v***@gmail.com
You have an amazing talent for posting lots of words that say nothing.
Your opinion. Others think my posts have merits, and as they aren't
trolls in the group, their opinions matter. Yours don't.
Hey! Does anyone in alt.atheism (trolls not included. Your votes won't count)
think that ArtieJoe's posts have any kind of merit? (aside from embarrassing other Jews which is not a good thing for them).
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2017-12-07 20:43:46 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
This bilge again.
Tandy posted the same thing in October, 2016.
...and that is bad because?????
1st, your posts are trolls.
SEZ YOU.
Kevrob
2017-12-07 21:06:01 UTC
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1st, your posts are trolls.
SEZ YOU.
Well, yeah. Any atheist in the group, myself included, can call
a troll out as a troll. You ignore the FAQ, you insult, you
RESORT TO SHRIEKING IN ALL CAPS!!!!! - the whole troll gamut.

Troll.

Kevin R
Cloud Hobbit
2017-12-07 22:15:49 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
This bilge again.
Tandy posted the same thing in October, 2016.
...and that is bad because?????
1st, your posts are trolls.
SEZ YOU.
Sez everybody who isn't another theist troll. Sez the charter of the NG.

Just remember every lie you tell means more people choosing atheism over theism.
hypatiab7
2017-12-07 15:56:24 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
This bilge again.
Tandy posted the same thing in October, 2016.
...and that is bad because?????
You have an amazing talent for posting lots of words that say nothing.
You just used several words to say nothing yourself. Common for you.
v***@gmail.com
2017-12-07 20:48:36 UTC
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On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 7:56:28 AM UTC-8, hypatiab7 wrote:

https://tinyurl.com/yd9udvlz
Yap Honghor
2017-12-08 00:52:45 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
This bilge again.
Tandy posted the same thing in October, 2016.
...and that is bad because?????
That is what we called "whining"...
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You have an amazing talent for posting lots of words that say nothing.
For you, post from any one is nothing because you don't like it!
hypatiab7
2017-12-07 15:20:21 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
This bilge again.
Tandy posted the same thing in October, 2016.
Is he like the old TV networks, giving us "summer reruns?"
[/quote]
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1467028.html
United States Court of Appeals,Seventh Circuit.
James J. KAUFMAN, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. Gary R. McCAUGHTRY, et al., Defendants-Appellees.
No. 04-1914.
Decided: August 19, 2005
Arty Joe isn't giving us news, but history.
People who aren't prisoners are allowed to join explicitly
atheist organizations, or religious ones - Unitarian Universalists,
Ethical Culture Society - which do not require belief in a deity.
In his pleading, Kaufman specifically mentioned "humanism."
[quote]
While at Waupun, Kaufman submitted an official form titled “Request for
New Religious Practice,” in which he asked to form an inmate group
interested in humanism, atheism, and free speaking.   The group would
work “[t]o stimulate and promote Freedom of Thought and inquiry
concerning religious beliefs, creeds, dogmas, tenets, rituals and
practices[, and to] educate and provide information concerning
religious beliefs, creeds, dogmas, tenets, rituals, and practices.”  
See Kaufman v. McCaughtry, 2004 WL 257133, *4 (W.D.Wis. Feb.9, 2004).  
Kaufman also submitted a list of atheist groups and literature.   The
officials concluded that Kaufman's request was not motivated by
“religious” beliefs.   Accordingly, rather than evaluating the
proposal under the state's relatively more flexible policy for new
religious groups, see Wis. Admin.   Code § DOC 309.61, they considered
it under the procedure for forming a new inmate activity group, see
Wis. Admin. Code § DOC 309.365.   Applying the latter standard, they
denied the request, stating that they were not forming new activity
groups at that time.
[quote]
Further down, the court explains it is only considering atheism as
a religion in a "...specialized sense....."
[quote]
But when the underlying principle has been examined in the crucible
of litigation, the Court has unambiguously concluded that the
individual freedom of conscience protected by the First Amendment
embraces the right to select any religious faith or none at all.
[/quote]
and again
[quote]
Indeed, Torcaso specifically included “Secular Humanism”
as an example of a religion.  Id. at 495 n. 11, 81 S.Ct. 1680.
[/quote]
http://americanhumanist.org/
It is plain that, inmates who wanted to set up a bible study group,
perhaps supported by one of the chaplains serving the prison, or
a group studying another faith, would have privileges atheist
inmates would not have access to, unless they faked interest in
studying some religion.
For the record, IANAL. I was never even a naval officer tasked
with legal duties by his CO when no lawyer was available.
I do know how to use a search engine, and citing the name of the
case, and the opinion is extremely easy in this day and age.
Wikipedia has an article on the Torcaso case, which mooted any
state laws requiring a religious test for office.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torcaso_v._Watkins
[/quote]
He reposted April 23, also.
Does he really think regulars on the group have no memory,
and no ability to do an archive search?
What a maroon!
He knows there are lurkers reading alt.atheism. He aims such crap at them,
plus he childishly enjoys annoying us. So, I responded for the benefit of
the lurkers. I'm sure most of them already know that ArtieJoe is a troll,
but newbies might not.
Irreverend Dave
2017-12-07 05:21:27 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when
they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the
state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a
belief system, that, by every known definition other than the
courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public
expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
Look at the positive side. You can set up your basement as a "chapel",
have fellow atheists over to attend "services", and pass the collection
plate around. If atheism is a religion then you should have no problem
writing off your basement chapel and the money you've collected.

Oh, and you also have every right to complain about religious persecution
from assholes like Mad Joe.
--
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist
in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
Yap Honghor
2017-12-07 06:58:37 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when
they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the
state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a
belief system, that, by every known definition other than the
courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public
expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
Look at the positive side. You can set up your basement as a "chapel",
have fellow atheists over to attend "services", and pass the collection
plate around. If atheism is a religion then you should have no problem
writing off your basement chapel and the money you've collected.
Right. But central to that, we also need an idol which is non-existent.
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Oh, and you also have every right to complain about religious persecution
from assholes like Mad Joe.
Even if the complain is being filed, would any authority find him guilty and sentence him to prison?
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in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
John Locke
2017-12-07 07:29:21 UTC
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:21:27 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when
they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the
state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a
belief system, that, by every known definition other than the
courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public
expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
Look at the positive side. You can set up your basement as a "chapel",
have fellow atheists over to attend "services", and pass the collection
plate around. If atheism is a religion then you should have no problem
writing off your basement chapel and the money you've collected.
Oh, and you also have every right to complain about religious persecution
from assholes like Mad Joe.
...and all the fun of a church gathering without the guilt of sin,
fear of hell and long winded, boring, pointless god infested sermons.
Halle-fucking-luyah ! Pass the beer and pizza !
Irreverend Dave
2017-12-07 15:02:46 UTC
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:21:27 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when
they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the
state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a
belief system, that, by every known definition other than the
courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public
expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at
http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
Look at the positive side. You can set up your basement as a "chapel",
have fellow atheists over to attend "services", and pass the
collection plate around. If atheism is a religion then you should have
no problem writing off your basement chapel and the money you've
collected.
Oh, and you also have every right to complain about religious
persecution from assholes like Mad Joe.
...and all the fun of a church gathering without the guilt of sin,
fear of hell and long winded, boring, pointless god infested sermons.
Halle-fucking-luyah ! Pass the beer and pizza !
Oh damn! The sacramental offerings! How could I forget the sacramental
offerings of beer and pizza!

Maybe we could add bong hits as well?
--
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist
in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
Kevrob
2017-12-07 15:33:37 UTC
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Post by John Locke
On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:21:27 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave
Post by Irreverend Dave
Post by Cloud Hobbit
It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when
they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the
state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a
belief system, that, by every known definition other than the
courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public
expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at
http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
Look at the positive side. You can set up your basement as a "chapel",
have fellow atheists over to attend "services", and pass the
collection plate around. If atheism is a religion then you should have
no problem writing off your basement chapel and the money you've
collected.
Oh, and you also have every right to complain about religious
persecution from assholes like Mad Joe.
...and all the fun of a church gathering without the guilt of sin,
fear of hell and long winded, boring, pointless god infested sermons.
Halle-fucking-luyah ! Pass the beer and pizza !
Oh damn! The sacramental offerings! How could I forget the sacramental
offerings of beer and pizza!
Maybe we could add bong hits as well?
Can anyone prove the IRS and the courts will allow a tax exemption
for a "house church?" If the people who meet at the house are
incorporated as a religious society, that society could be tax
exempt, but a homeowner who hosts the meeting trying to take a deduction,
as if it were a home office, is probably not going to fly.

Home office deduction rules are pretty strict. Any dual use
could ruin your chance for the deduction.

I am neither an accountant nor a lawyer, so get professional advice
if you try any of this.

Kevin R
Don Martin
2017-12-07 23:20:24 UTC
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:21:27 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave
Post by Irreverend Dave
Post by Cloud Hobbit
It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when
they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the
state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a
belief system, that, by every known definition other than the
courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public
expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at
http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
Look at the positive side. You can set up your basement as a "chapel",
have fellow atheists over to attend "services", and pass the
collection plate around. If atheism is a religion then you should have
no problem writing off your basement chapel and the money you've
collected.
Oh, and you also have every right to complain about religious
persecution from assholes like Mad Joe.
...and all the fun of a church gathering without the guilt of sin,
fear of hell and long winded, boring, pointless god infested sermons.
Halle-fucking-luyah ! Pass the beer and pizza !
Oh damn! The sacramental offerings! How could I forget the sacramental
offerings of beer and pizza!
Maybe we could add bong hits as well?
Can anyone prove the IRS and the courts will allow a tax exemption
for a "house church?" If the people who meet at the house are
incorporated as a religious society, that society could be tax
exempt, but a homeowner who hosts the meeting trying to take a deduction,
as if it were a home office, is probably not going to fly.
Home office deduction rules are pretty strict. Any dual use
could ruin your chance for the deduction.
I am neither an accountant nor a lawyer, so get professional advice
if you try any of this.
Incorporate the church "body" as a religion, with yourself, your
spouse, and your eldest child as CEO, CFO, and Secretary of the Board
(of three persons), sell the house to the religion for $1.00
(declaring the loss against any capital gains you might have), and
deduct ALL of the expenses of the house (heating, lighting, repairs,
general upkeep, etc.) forever after. Remember to register the church
with your local authorities to get those pesky real estate taxes
removed, too.
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aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
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Incorporate the church "body" as a religion, with yourself,
your spouse, and your eldest child as CEO, CFO, and
Secretary of the Board (of three persons), sell the house
to the religion for $1.00 (declaring the loss against any
capital gains you might have), and deduct ALL of the
expenses of the house (heating, lighting, repairs, general
upkeep, etc.) forever after. Remember to register the
church with your local authorities to get those pesky real
estate taxes removed, too.
Sounds like a sweetheart of a deal...
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 05:21:27 -0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when
they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the
state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a
belief system, that, by every known definition other than the
courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public
expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
Look at the positive side. You can set up your basement as a "chapel",
have fellow atheists over to attend "services", and pass the collection
plate around. If atheism is a religion then you should have no problem
writing off your basement chapel and the money you've collected.
Oh, and you also have every right to complain about religious persecution
from assholes like Mad Joe.
...and all the fun of a church gathering without the guilt of sin,
fear of hell and long winded, boring, pointless god infested sermons.
Halle-fucking-luyah ! Pass the beer and pizza !
Pizza, the ultimate communion wafer with some actual nutritional
value! What's not to like?
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aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
Teresita
2017-12-07 23:37:35 UTC
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Pizza, the ultimate communion wafer with some actual nutritional
value! What's not to like?
All four food groups in every slice!
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2017-12-08 00:14:45 UTC
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Pizza, the ultimate communion wafer with some actual nutritional
value!
And flavor profile. I don't know what is more unpalatable:
those communion wafers, or the sermon.
Teresita
2017-12-08 00:34:35 UTC
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Pizza, the ultimate communion wafer with some actual nutritional
value!
those communion wafers, or the sermon.
I hated it when Jesus landed on the roof of my mouth and stayed there
even when I was making my way back to my car.
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2017-12-08 01:58:04 UTC
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I hated it when Jesus landed on the roof of my mouth and
stayed there even when I was making my way back to my car.
Yep. That's his shtick.

In those stubborn cases, the best remedy is to drive home
along a very bumpy road -- the vibrations will typically
loosen the "spittle grip".

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Look at the positive side. You can set up your basement as
a "chapel", have fellow atheists over to attend "services",
and pass the collection plate around. If atheism is a
religion then you should have no problem writing off your
basement chapel and the money you've collected. Oh, and
you also have every right to complain about religious
persecution from assholes like Mad Joe.
LOL! You hear that theist? Now the "religion sword" cuts both
ways. Yep. Be careful what you wish for, 'cause, you just
might get it!

PS: Put a band-aide on that wound -- you don't want it to
get infected, do you?
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2017-12-07 08:02:41 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
The courts say it is.
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2017-12-07 16:32:51 UTC
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Madjoe the great pretender said:
The court says atheism is a religion but he doesn't give any context.

He tries to be creative in the way he lies.

But that would require a kind of intelligence he simply doesn't possess.

He just keeps plugging away at showing the world how desperately he and his the other theist trolls are but forgets that his actions are so transparent that the result is he helps create more atheists.

What a schmuck.
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https://tinyurl.com/yaycgmwz
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2017-12-07 22:17:20 UTC
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Thanks for pointing out your own dishonesty.

More atheists for every time you do it.
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2017-12-08 00:53:35 UTC
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It is difficult not to be somewhat jaundiced about our courts when they take clauses especially designed to protect religion from the state and turn them on their head by giving protective cover to a belief system, that, by every known definition other than the courts’ is not a religion, while simultaneously declaring public expressions of true religious faith to be prohibited,” Fahling said.
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/#LJgIDm3IyXCk7qSV.99
You know full well that atheism is not a religion.
The courts say it is.
If so, the courts are manned by idiotic theists like you!!!!
JTEM
2017-12-07 08:27:23 UTC
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Nothing you quote changes the fact that atheism
is a religion. And not just theoretically. In
every practical sense evolution is a religion.

All the laws/protections covering religion cover
atheism.

The state may not endorse/promote atheism, just
like all the other religions.

...and atheism is a belief system. Atheists,
real atheists and not messed up wannabes, believe
that there is no God(s).

As much as you want to pretend that these things
aren't true, atheism is a religion.




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2017-12-07 09:18:51 UTC
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Nothing you quote changes the fact that atheism
is a religion. And not just theoretically. In
every practical sense evolution is a religion.
In the sense of "a position about metaphysics" yes.
Rick Johnson
2017-12-07 16:09:41 UTC
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Nothing you quote changes the fact that atheism
is a religion. And not just theoretically. In
every practical sense evolution is a religion.
That settles it then!

If the Christers can have their plastic jesus, then by
golly, it's only fair that we get to have our own savior.
And what better savior for an atheist could there be, than
an anthropomorphized goddess of evolution -- with a slight
"titty twist", that is!

I shall dub her: "Eve-o-lution"!

And from her ample lactating brests, shall flow rivers of
milk to nourish the soul-less masses. There will be no more
hunger! Nor will there be pain! (as all taps will be spiked
with Laudanum)

Hell, why settle for only two "taps"?

If the Hindus can have gods with N arms, why the hell can't
we have N breasts? I'm mean -- fuck -- what good is N arms
anyway when you've only got one dick? "Ghad" -> scmhod! Have
they no concept of pragmatism? It boggles the mind!!!

Think about it...

* Craft beers

* Cabo Wabo Margaritas

* Black toothed grin

All on tap.

Open bar man!

Open bar!!!
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2017-12-08 00:57:56 UTC
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Nothing you quote changes the fact that atheism
is a religion. And not just theoretically. In
every practical sense evolution is a religion.
Of course, you do not like our pixie which is much more useful and powerful than yo
Post by JTEM
All the laws/protections covering religion cover
atheism.
Can laws be discriminating?
Post by JTEM
The state may not endorse/promote atheism, just
like all the other religions.
There is never a need to protect atheism....it is the basic right of every human when born.
Post by JTEM
...and atheism is a belief system. Atheists,
real atheists and not messed up wannabes, believe
that there is no God(s).
And there is never a pixie in existent for the morons to believe.
Post by JTEM
As much as you want to pretend that these things
aren't true, atheism is a religion.
If you can't use your head, try bury it in the sand like the ostrich.
Malte Runz
2017-12-07 10:24:52 UTC
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http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/
A Federal Appeals Court has ruled atheism to be a religion.
The 3 judge panel cited, as precedent, an earlier Supreme Court ruling on the issue.
According to the logic of your "federal court of appeals" not playing
baseball or basketball or any other sport is a sport. To label
non-belief as its own religious belief is simply stupid, and I guess
that you, Joe, yet again has absolutely no point you want to make.

We dealt with this story a few years ago (and the article is 12 years
old, by the way).
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http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/
A Federal Appeals Court has ruled atheism to be a religion.
The 3 judge panel cited, as precedent, an earlier Supreme Court ruling on the issue.
None of them are atheists. And, they obviously don't care what atheists think, so they are biased. Atheists know that atheism is NOT a religion. But, now that
atheism has been legally declared a religion, any atheist group can claim tax breaks. Of course we won't, because our political freedom is more important than cash. And, any group that takes the tax break can donate it or part of it to those groups that don't. So, either way, we win.
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2017-12-07 17:46:17 UTC
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http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/
A Federal Appeals Court has ruled atheism to be a religion.
The 3 judge panel cited, as precedent, an earlier Supreme Court ruling on the issue.
None of them are atheists. And, they obviously don't care what atheists think, so they are biased. Atheists know that atheism is NOT a religion. But, now that
atheism has been legally declared a religion, any atheist group can claim tax breaks. Of course we won't, because our political freedom is more important than cash. And, any group that takes the tax break can donate it or part of it to those groups that don't. So, either way, we win.
In any case, Mad Joe was lying yet again, and citing Wingnut Daily.

But even that did not say it was one.

HE CAN'T READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But why was it his own followup to his own followup of the same lies
he posted in October?
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2017-12-07 20:36:12 UTC
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http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/
A Federal Appeals Court has ruled atheism to be a religion.
The 3 judge panel cited, as precedent, an earlier Supreme Court ruling on the issue.
None of them are atheists. And, they obviously don't care what atheists think, so they are biased. Atheists know that atheism is NOT a religion. But, now that
atheism has been legally declared a religion, any atheist group can claim tax breaks. Of course we won't, because our political freedom is more important than cash. And, any group that takes the tax break can donate it or part of it to those groups that don't. So, either way, we win.
You can only claim tax exemption if you are registered with the IRS as a
charity.Go ahead and apply.
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http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/
A Federal Appeals Court has ruled atheism to be a religion.
The 3 judge panel cited, as precedent, an earlier Supreme Court ruling on the issue.
None of them are atheists. And, they obviously don't care what atheists think, so they are biased. Atheists know that atheism is NOT a religion. But, now that
atheism has been legally declared a religion, any atheist group can claim tax breaks. Of course we won't, because our political freedom is more important than cash. And, any group that takes the tax break can donate it or part of it to those groups that don't. So, either way, we win.
The point of the ruling is that atheists must enjoy the same rights as
theists--they may not be discriminated against any more than a
recognized church may be.
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aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
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http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/
A Federal Appeals Court has ruled atheism to be a religion.
The 3 judge panel cited, as precedent, an earlier Supreme Court ruling on the issue.
And of course, as we all know, profound theological and philosophical issues,
ones that have engaged the best minds for millennia, are easily put to rest by
the legal system.

In fact it is rumored that the Supreme Court will be taking up both
the Problem of Evil and the Euthyphro dilemma in its next session.
About damn time too -- God: guilty or not guilty?


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A Federal Appeals Court has ruled atheism to be a religion.
The 3 judge panel cited, as precedent, an earlier Supreme Court ruling on the issue.
The judges are idiots, but atheists should be accorded the same rights
as religions. They are doing the right thing for the wrong reason;
and it will come back to bite them (or us) someday.
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