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Dawkins and Harris are Anti-theists, not Atheists
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2017-08-12 22:54:03 UTC
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You want to use Reza Aslan as a source? The guy who lied and said FGM is an African problem and not a Muslim one?

The guy who lied about his CV?
He claimed he is a professor of religion. Reza Aslan is an associate professor in the Creative Writing program at the University of California, Riverside.
Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2015/08/islamic-apologist-reza-aslan-lied-about-his-academic-credentials/#V53hPXOvyQPlpDsb.99
He has a PhD in Sociology, not in the History of religions.

Why am I not surprised you would choose a well-known liar as a source?
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2017-08-12 23:08:49 UTC
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You want to use Reza Aslan as a source? The guy who lied and said FGM is an African problem and not a Muslim one?
The guy who lied about his CV?
He claimed he is a professor of religion. Reza Aslan is an associate professor in the Creative Writing program at the University of California, Riverside.
Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2015/08/islamic-apologist-reza-aslan-lied-about-his-academic-credentials/#V53hPXOvyQPlpDsb.99
He has a PhD in Sociology, not in the History of religions.
Why am I not surprised you would choose a well-known liar as a source?
From wikipedia:


Aslan holds a BA in religious studies from Santa Clara University, a Master of Theological Studies (MTS) from Harvard Divinity School, a Master of Fine Arts (MFA) in fiction writing from the University of Iowa's Writers' Workshop, and a PhD in sociology from the University of California, Santa Barbara.
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2017-08-14 00:29:51 UTC
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Aslan holds a BA in religious studies from Santa Clara University,
Shit.
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a Master of Theological Studies (MTS) from Harvard Divinity School,
More shit.
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a Master of Fine Arts (MFA) in fiction writing from the University of Iowa's Writers' Workshop,
Oh, so he's a confirmed liar? Okay...
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and a PhD in sociology from the University of California, Santa Barbara.
Too bad only one his degrees is worth anything more than shit.
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Aslan holds a BA in religious studies from Santa Clara University,
Shit.
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a Master of Theological Studies (MTS) from Harvard Divinity School,
More shit.
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a Master of Fine Arts (MFA) in fiction writing from the University of Iowa's Writers' Workshop,
Oh, so he's a confirmed liar? Okay...
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and a PhD in sociology from the University of California, Santa Barbara.
Too bad only one his degrees is worth anything more than shit.
Why don't you tell us about your education? Perhaps it is much more impressive than Aslan's.

Mine? I have a Bachelors Degree from the Univ of Illinois with 2 major subjects:

Accounting and Economics/Finance

I have one year of law school at the U of I, also.
I took Navy courses in weapons,navigation, shipboard engineering, military law, seamanship and tactics along with several courses in computer technology.
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2017-08-14 02:20:49 UTC
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Aslan holds a BA in religious studies from Santa Clara
University,
Shit.
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a Master of Theological Studies (MTS) from Harvard
Divinity School,
More shit.
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a Master of Fine Arts (MFA) in fiction writing from the
University of Iowa's Writers' Workshop,
Oh, so he's a confirmed liar? Okay...
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and a PhD in sociology from the University of California,
Santa Barbara.
Too bad only one his degrees is worth anything more than
shit.
Why don't you tell us about your education? Perhaps it is
much more impressive than Aslan's.
No need to. I have never, nor has anyone on my behalf,
proclaimed that i am a "renowned scholar". I have nothing to
prove. I just hope that the taxpayers did not foot Aslan's
education bill...
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Mine? I have a Bachelors Degree from the Univ of Illinois
with 2 major subjects: Accounting and Economics/Finance. I
have one year of law school at the U of I, also. I took
Navy courses in weapons, navigation, shipboard engineering,
military law, seamanship and tactics along with several
courses in computer technology.
Very impressive. A diverse education in practical skill sets
that can provide for a respectable career. You should be
proud.

IMO, studying religion is about as useful as studying pink
unicorns. Sure, some folks have managed to make a career out
of it, but i would stop short of calling it a respectable
career. Sure, religion may have evolved into many diverse
and complex genres, but the complexity of religion only
proves that humans are highly creative, and the diversity
only proves that humans are highly opinionated. Nothing
more. There is no enlightenment to be found in religious
mumbo jumbo. It's rice cake. It's empty calories.

Would you eat if eating provided your body with no
sustenance?

Likewise, why waste time studying if the subject matter can
provide no enlightenment or solve no real, or practical,
problem?

Heck, in the case of religion, it's evolution will cause
more problems than it solves. Why exacerbate the problem?

The fact is, we don't need any "religious scholars". What we
need are more mathematicians, more scientists, and more
engineers. What we need are people who can solve the many
complex problems we will be facing in the future: cleaning
up the environment, discovering new energy sources,
terra-forming planets, solving complex social issues, healing
the sick, automating manufacturing and transportation,
etc...

But if one is not interested in these "technical" fields,
then perhaps one can find purpose in entertainment, or
music, or the arts. And if one is drawn to the
philosophical, then there are endless paths one could take
into that field of study.

But why waste one second on a divisive, emotional, and
intellectually regressive subject such as religion? Damn,
even political science is more respectable.
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2017-08-12 23:36:29 UTC
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You want to use Reza Aslan as a source? The guy who lied and said FGM is an African problem and not a Muslim one?
That's his opinion. This link states that FGM is not mandated by the Koran, is prevalent in Africa, and is practiced by other religions, so he's probably right:

http://www.fgm.co.nz/faq


Hey, ignoramus! An opinion is a sincere belief, not a statement of fact, so it cannot be a lie.A lie is an intentional misstatement of fact made with intent to deceive. You don't even understand the basics of the English language.
You are one ignorant motherfucker.
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2017-08-12 23:57:40 UTC
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http://www.salon.com/2014/11/21/reza_aslan_sam_harris_and_new_atheists_arent_new_arent_even_atheists/
You want to use Reza Aslan as a source? The guy who lied and said FGM is an African problem and not a Muslim one?
http://www.fgm.co.nz/faq
Hey, ignoramus! An opinion is a sincere belief, not a statement of fact, so it cannot be a lie.A lie is an intentional misstatement of fact made with intent to deceive. You don't even understand the basics of the English language.
You are one ignorant motherfucker.
But the claim is that Dawkins and Harris are anti-theists. If it's simply an opinion the claim should be that it's an opinion that Dawkins... . And you have the gall to accuse someone else of being ignorant of English! You're a dumb cunt. You can't count to thirty, you lie about your job status, and you didn't know that evidenced was a word, navy prosecutor. Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit.
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http://www.salon.com/2014/11/21/reza_aslan_sam_harris_and_new_atheists_arent_new_arent_even_atheists/
You want to use Reza Aslan as a source? The guy who lied and said FGM is an African problem and not a Muslim one?
http://www.fgm.co.nz/faq
Hey, ignoramus! An opinion is a sincere belief, not a statement of fact, so it cannot be a lie.A lie is an intentional misstatement of fact made with intent to deceive. You don't even understand the basics of the English language.
You are one ignorant motherfucker.
But the claim is that Dawkins and Harris are anti-theists. If it's simply an opinion the claim should be that it's an opinion that Dawkins... . And you have the gall to accuse someone else of being ignorant of English! You're a dumb cunt. You can't count to thirty, you lie about your job status, and you didn't know that evidenced was a word, navy prosecutor. Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit.
no they don't
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You want to use Reza Aslan as a source? The guy who lied and said FGM is an African problem and not a Muslim one?
http://www.fgm.co.nz/faq
Hey, ignoramus! An opinion is a sincere belief, not a statement of fact, so it cannot be a lie.A lie is an intentional misstatement of fact made with intent to deceive. You don't even understand the basics of the English language.
You are one ignorant motherfucker.
But the claim is that Dawkins and Harris are anti-theists. If it's simply an opinion the claim should be that it's an opinion that Dawkins... . And you have the gall to accuse someone else of being ignorant of English! You're a dumb cunt. You can't count to thirty, you lie about your job status, and you didn't know that evidenced was a word, navy prosecutor. Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit.
no they don't
Yes they do.
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2017-08-13 00:12:56 UTC
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You want to use Reza Aslan as a source? The guy who lied and said FGM is an African problem and not a Muslim one?
http://www.fgm.co.nz/faq
Hey, ignoramus! An opinion is a sincere belief, not a statement of fact, so it cannot be a lie.A lie is an intentional misstatement of fact made with intent to deceive. You don't even understand the basics of the English language.
You are one ignorant motherfucker.
But the claim is that Dawkins and Harris are anti-theists.
If it's simply an opinion the claim should be that it's an opinion that Dawkins... .

Aslan explains exactly what he means and gives definitions in the lower part of the article. You probably didn't read it or read it and did not understand what he said.I never met anybody else who didn't know that Psychiatrists have to go to Medical School. You're a stupid motherfucker.



You're a dumb cunt. You can't count to thirty,

That's a LIE and here's the proof:

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30.


you lie about your job status,

EVIDENCE????

and you didn't know that evidenced was a word, navy prosecutor.

So what? The Navy never asked me that question. They probably don't consider it to be important.

Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit.

Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
Okay. Here we go:

ArtieJoe is:

a) an honest person

b) a lying sack of shit


My choice is b).
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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
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My choice is b).
Defintely B.
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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
Most, if not all, would have no choice but to choose b).
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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
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My choice is b).
b).
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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
b) here, too. (The only one likely to choose "a)" is Artie Joe
himself, but that has more to do with his defensiveness than his grasp
of reality.)
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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
b) here, too. (The only one likely to choose "a)" is Artie Joe
himself, but that has more to do with his defensiveness than his grasp
of reality.)
“B” though I disagree with the “sack of shit” comment, sacks of shit
can actually be useful.
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
b) here, too. (The only one likely to choose "a)" is Artie Joe
himself, but that has more to do with his defensiveness than his grasp
of reality.)
“B” though I disagree with the “sack of shit” comment, sacks of shit
can actually be useful.
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O Goody!!!!! When I suggested the poll, I was rather sure you atheist chickenshit crybabies would consider that too much work and run away.
Why don't you sniveling cowards put it out front in a separate thread
to make sure everybody sees it and has a chance to answer it.

I was going to respond to it, but I decided to wait and see what the other people say. Be careful now, Harry. Don't hurt yourself. If you feel any pain, go tell Mommy. She'll kiss it and make it all better.
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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
b) here, too. (The only one likely to choose "a)" is Artie Joe
himself, but that has more to do with his defensiveness than his grasp
of reality.)
“B” though I disagree with the “sack of shit” comment, sacks of shit
can actually be useful.
d'accord! So can boxes of the stuff. In the days of canals, canal
boats had two mules, one towing and the other stabled in shifts. The
stabled one was fed, and in due course, shat. The shit was collected
in 2" x 2" boxes with screened bottoms and two incurved sides. If the
boat sprang a leak (which was apparently fairly frequently), the box
would be slipped down the side on a loop of rope that passed around
the boat, its screened side outward. Positioned over the leak,
external water pressure drove the mule shit into the crack and sealed
the leak enough to protect the passengers and cargo to the next stop.

So perhaps we should say that Art is a liar worth less than a dog turd
in a Bull Durham sack.
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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
b) here, too. (The only one likely to choose "a)" is Artie Joe
himself, but that has more to do with his defensiveness than his grasp
of reality.)
“B” though I disagree with the “sack of shit” comment, sacks of shit
can actually be useful.
d'accord! So can boxes of the stuff. In the days of canals, canal
boats had two mules, one towing and the other stabled in shifts. The
stabled one was fed, and in due course, shat. The shit was collected
in 2" x 2" boxes with screened bottoms and two incurved sides. If the
boat sprang a leak (which was apparently fairly frequently), the box
would be slipped down the side on a loop of rope that passed around
the boat, its screened side outward. Positioned over the leak,
external water pressure drove the mule shit into the crack and sealed
the leak enough to protect the passengers and cargo to the next stop.
So perhaps we should say that Art is a liar worth less than a dog turd
in a Bull Durham sack.
Ha, that was a much better use than I was thinking of. My thought, as a
minimum useful use of shit was a flaming sack of shit on a porch.
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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
+1
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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit.
Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
Mine too.
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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
...b, but shit is too generic..how about horse manure ?

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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
...b, but shit is too generic..how about horse manure ?
Bat guano???
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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
...b, but shit is too generic..how about horse manure ?
Bat guano???
...if he's a lying sack of bat guano, wouldn't that much bat crap make
Mad Arty bat shit crazy ?...oh, wait a minute...I think you've found
the problem !

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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
...b, but shit is too generic..how about horse manure ?
Bat guano???
...if he's a lying sack of bat guano, wouldn't that much bat crap make
Mad Arty bat shit crazy ?...oh, wait a minute...I think you've found
the problem !
ArtieJoe lives near the bat cave!
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
...b, but shit is too generic..how about horse manure ?
Bat guano???
...if he's a lying sack of bat guano, wouldn't that much bat crap make
Mad Arty bat shit crazy ?...oh, wait a minute...I think you've found
the problem !
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit=
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Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
a) an honest person
b) a lying sack of shit
My choice is b).
...b, but shit is too generic..how about horse manure ?
Bat guano???
...if he's a lying sack of bat guano, wouldn't that much bat crap make
Mad Arty bat shit crazy ?...oh, wait a minute...I think you've found
the problem !
;-)
I grew up on Long Island, when there were still a lot of
duck farms. The concentrated smell of duck shit is one
of the most wretched things I've ever smelled. My Dad
would take back road shortcuts past the duck farms, from
time to time. It was cool to see the flocking behavior, and
here the insane quacking, but even with car windows completely
rolled up, the reek! One of my brothers took a job for a summer
at his best friend's Dad's duck farm. He smelled awful after a
shift, even after showering before his trip home. I imagine
other poultry farms smell similarly bad.

Art might not be worth a bag or so of duck guano. Guano, from
bats or sea birds, is a valuable fertilizer. Art's posts are
not that useful.

Kevin R

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You want to use Reza Aslan as a source? The guy who lied and said FGM is an African problem and not a Muslim one?
http://www.fgm.co.nz/faq
Hey, ignoramus! An opinion is a sincere belief, not a statement of fact, so it cannot be a lie.A lie is an intentional misstatement of fact made with intent to deceive. You don't even understand the basics of the English language.
You are one ignorant motherfucker.
But the claim is that Dawkins and Harris are anti-theists.
If it's simply an opinion the claim should be that it's an opinion that Dawkins... .
Aslan explains exactly what he means and gives definitions in the lower part of the article.
Irrelevant, you claim that they _are_ not atheists. If it's not a statement of fact, then don't say it as if it is, you illiterate cunt.
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You probably didn't read it or read it and did not understand what he >said.I never met anybody else who didn't know that Psychiatrists have to go >to Medical School. You're a stupid motherfucker.
Who said anything about psychiatry you stupid cunt?
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You're a dumb cunt. You can't count to thirty,
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30.
That does not prove anything other than you can cut and paste, you stupid cunt.
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you lie about your job status,
EVIDENCE????
Your lirs.
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and you didn't know that evidenced was a word, navy prosecutor.
So what? The Navy never asked me that question. They probably don't consider it to be important.
LOL!! So the navy doesn't require evidence to prosecute people? You're a lying sack of shit, dumb cunt.
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Many people here share the sincere belief that you're a lying sack of shit.
Why don't you prove that by taking a poll?
Why don't you try and read the responses you get, you stupid cunt.
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You want to use Reza Aslan as a source? The guy who lied and said FGM is an African problem and not a Muslim one?
http://www.fgm.co.nz/faq
Hey, ignoramus! An opinion is a sincere belief, not a statement of fact, so it cannot be a lie.A lie is an intentional misstatement of fact made with intent to deceive. You don't even understand the basics of the English language.
You are one ignorant motherfucker.
Says the guy who claims anybody who disagrees with him is a liar.

Wheter or not the koran says FGM is mandated or not is not relevant, it happens in the middle east and many other Muslim countries. The Koran also does not mandate the hijab either.

https://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/07/scholarly-misrepresentation

He says this is his CV: I am a scholar of religions with four degrees including one in the New Testament . . . I am an expert with a Ph.D. in the history of religions . . . I am a professor of religions, including the New Testament—that’s what I do for a living, actually. . . . To be clear, I want to emphasize one more time, I am a historian, I am a Ph.D. in the history of religions.

Here's reality as has been widely reported by multiple sources.
Aslan does have four degrees, as Joe Carter has noted: a 1995 B.A. in religion from Santa Clara University, where he was Phi Beta Kappa and wrote his senior thesis on “The Messianic Secret in the Gospel of Mark”; a 1999 Master of Theological Studies from Harvard; a 2002 Master of Fine Arts in Fiction from the University of Iowa; and a 2009 Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California, Santa Barbara.

None of these degrees is in history, so Aslan’s repeated claims that he has “a Ph.D. in the history of religions” and that he is “a historian” are false. Nor is “professor of religions” what he does “for a living.” He is an associate professor in the Creative Writing program at the University of California, Riverside, where his terminal MFA in fiction from Iowa is his relevant academic credential. It appears he has taught some courses on Islam in the past, and he may do so now, moonlighting from his creative writing duties at Riverside. Aslan has been a busy popular writer, and he is certainly a tireless self-promoter, but he is nowhere known in the academic world as a scholar of the history of religion. And a scholarly historian of early Christianity? Nope.

What about that Ph.D.? As already noted, it was in sociology. I have his dissertation in front of me. It is a 140-page work titled “Global Jihadism as a Transnational Social Movement: A Theoretical Framework.” If Aslan’s Ph.D. is the basis of a claim to scholarly credentials, he could plausibly claim to be an expert on social movements in twentieth-century Islam. He cannot plausibly claim, as he did to Lauren Green, that he is a “historian,” or is a “professor of religions” “for a living.”

He is a liar and has been found to b e so many times on many issues.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/244446/reza-aslans-lies-about-islamic-female-genital-frontpagemagcom

This week's episode of The Glazov Gang was joined by Dr. Mark Christian, the President and Executive Director of the Global Faith Institute. He is the son and nephew of high-ranking leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood in his home country of Egypt. A former Islamic Imam who converted from Islam to Christianity, he dedicated his life and work to the proposition that “the first victims of Islam are the Muslim themselves.”

Dr. Christian came on the show to discuss Reza Aslan’s Lies About Islamic Female Genital Mutilation, giving a first-hand account about a vicious Islamic crime perpetrated against Muslim girls. He discussed the Islamic theology that serves as the buffer to Islamic FGM and shared his own experience as a doctor trying to help the Muslim women who had been victimized by it.

He also shed light on Rula Jebreal's Deceptions Against Bill Maher, unveiling the falsehoods Jebreal recently uttered on Maher's program about Islam in her effort to delegitimize the Real Time host's truth-telling about Islamic terror and tyranny (starts at 9:00 minute mark).

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/oct/02/reza-aslan/fact-checking-reza-aslans-retort-bill-maher/


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Aslan
Says female genital mutilation is "a central African problem," not an Islamic problem, as Bill Maher suggested.

— Reza Aslan on Monday, September 29th, 2014 in an interview on "CNN Tonight"
Fact-checking Reza Aslan on Bill Maher's 'not very sophisticated' rant on Islam

By Katie Sanders on Thursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 5:27 p.m.

Comedian and HBO host Bill Maher is outspoken about his atheism, a fact not lost on many viewers of his recent rant about the passive approach of some liberals toward human rights abuses in Muslim countries.

Yet a scholar of religion called his commentary "not very sophisticated" on national TV. Why?

Maher was condemning the collective uproar over racist, homophobic or distasteful comments by American celebrities Donald Sterling, Jonah Hill, Rush Limbaugh and Mel Gibson when more serious offenses against women in Muslim countries are usually overlooked.

"Not only does the Muslim world have something in common with ISIS, it has too much in common with ISIS," Maher said at one point.

As an example, Maher brought up female genital mutilation, which refers to procedures that remove, in part or in whole, external genitalia for a non-medical reason. International groups such as the World Health Organization, UNICEF and Human Rights Watch condemn the practice as a flagrant example of gender inequality -- one that carries risks of prolonged bleeding, infection, infertility and complications during birth. When performed, the procedure is usually done on young girls.

Maher said 91 percent of Egyptian women and 98 percent of Somali women have been cut that way.

CNN Tonight hosts Don Lemon and Alisyn Camerota picked up this thread the following day in an interview with Reza Aslan, an author and University of California-Riverside professor of religious studies.

Aslan criticized Maher for making "facile arguments" when he generalized about Muslims and mislabeled female genital mutilation an Islamic problem.

"It's a central African problem," Aslan said. "Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue."

Aslan later tweeted an infographic showing a swath of African countries where female genital mutilation is concentrated.

aslanCNN.jpg

Is Aslan’s point accurate?

The map, taken from a July 2013 UNICEF report, shows the percentage of girls and women ages 15-49 who have undergone female genital mutilation in 27 Central African countries and two Middle Eastern countries (Iraq and Yemen).

Seven of the top eight countries with very high rates of female circumcision are majority Muslim, including the "almost universal" levels in Somalia, Egypt, Guinea and Djibouti. But Eritrea, as Aslan said, is No. 5 among countries with high prevalence at 89 percent, and it is home to more Christians than Muslims, according to Pew Research’s Religion and Public Life Project.

Ethiopia, which is 63 percent Christian and 34 percent Muslim, has a moderately high rate of 74 percent, making it No. 11 on the list.

So the countries in which female genital cutting is a practice are mostly Muslim, but they are not exclusively Muslim. Of the 29 countries tracked by UNICEF, 14 are home to more Christians than Muslims.

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Aslan is a liar and a fraud. Why he would fake his credentials is beyond comprehension, it's not like he didn't earn some decent degrees, so why lie and say he has others that he doesn't have?
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You want to use Reza Aslan as a source? The guy who lied and said FGM is an African problem and not a Muslim one?
http://www.fgm.co.nz/faq
Hey, ignoramus! An opinion is a sincere belief, not a statement of fact, so it cannot be a lie.A lie is an intentional misstatement of fact made with intent to deceive. You don't even understand the basics of the English language.
You are one ignorant m**f***.
And you are one arrogant, foul-keyboarding troll.

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Fatwas in favor of FGM have been issued in many Islamic countries,
[30][31][32] some fatwas forbid FGM,[33] and some ambivalent fatwas
have also been issued that leave the choice to the parents.[34]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_mutilation

It would seem to be a problem for SOME Muslims, but not
exclusively for Muslims.

It remains a fact that Aslan is a believer, and remains a Muslim,
if of the Sufi variety.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/26/opinions/believer-personal-faith-essay-reza-aslan/index.html

I'd have to say, if all Muslims were as committed as he is to humanism,
that religion would be a lot less dangerous to people's life and liberty
than it is, as it would probably spawn far fewer murderous, psychopathic
extremists than it now does.

Of course, some Muslims are calling "no true Scotsman" on his
version:

http://www.marcmanley.com/the-unrecognizable-islam-of-reza-aslan/

I don't think there's anything wrong with being an anti-theist,
as long as that opinion is uncoupled from state power or freelance
threats or use of force. I am willing to "live and let live" with
the religious, in their private realm, which I don't need to invade.
When they pipe up in the public square, they should expect to have to
defend their anti-human beliefs, without claiming any special
privilege for them, as they have done in the past, and some would
still do. Here they need to keep their proselytizing to themselves,
per the group FAQ. I won't be interrupting any sermons, nor leafletting
for FFRF outside any houses of worship tomorrow morning.

If I were a professor of philosophy, would I espouse non-belief?
Hell, yeah, but I'm not in that business. I restrict any "evangelizing"
for atheism to this newsgroup and some other online forums. If
religion comes up in a discussion, forex, on a political site,
I might pipe up to rebut someone making assumptions about religion.
"No, we're not `all ghod's children,'" I might write, and remind
the person I'm replying to that "nones" vote, too. I don't go out
of my way to pick fights with the religious. I even avoid it with
my religious family. Who needs the tsuris?*

Here's the key line in Aslan's screed:

"One can certainly be both an atheist and an anti-theist."

...just as not all Christians nor Muslims are missionaries.

I'd put myself at a 6 on the "Dawkins scale."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability

If somebody wants my advice on whether to be religious,
I'd tell him or her not to buy into it, and base their
moral code on philosophy and the natural world, and what
allows people to pursue happiness in a non-predatory manner.
I'm not making it my life's work to stamp out religion.

Maybe if I bought the winning Powerball ticket this week.

If theists would stop bothering the rest of us, I'd happily
be an apatheist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatheism

Kevin R

* https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tsuris
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Dawkins and Harris are Anti-theists, not Atheists
Atheism and anti-theism are not mutually exclusive.
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Dawkins and Harris are Anti-theists, not Atheists
Atheism and anti-theism are not mutually exclusive.
Whatever, or whoever, gave you the idea they are?
I never said they were.
Why don't you address your complaint to the man who made those comments.

If you are actually able to read the article and grasp what it says, you will find his name is Reza Ashlan.
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Dawkins and Harris are Anti-theists, not Atheists
Atheism and anti-theism are not mutually exclusive.
Whatever, or whoever, gave you the idea they are?
I never said they were.
Oh, i see. You just make assertions, but you don't take
responsibility for them. Hmm...
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Why don't you address your complaint to the man who made
those comments. If you are actually able to read the
article and grasp what it says, you will find his name is
Reza Ashlan.
You mean this Reza Aslan?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Aslan

From the wiki article:

"""Aslan was born into a Shia Muslim family.[19] He
converted to evangelical Christianity at the age of 15,[20]
and converted back to Islam the summer before attending
Harvard.[21] In 2005 The Guardian called him "a Shia by
persuasion".[22] In a 2013 interview with WNYC host Brian
Lehrer, Aslan said: "...I'm definitely a Muslim and Sufism
is the tradition within Islam that I most closely adhere
to."[23] He also proclaims himself a 'genuinely committed
disciple of Jesus of Nazareth.'[19] In a 2013 article in the
Washington Post, Aslan states: "It's not [that] I think
Islam is correct and Christianity is incorrect. It's that
all religions are nothing more than a language made up of
symbols and metaphors to help an individual explain
faith."[24] In 2014, in an interview with Cenk Uygur of The
Young Turks, Aslan described Islam as "a man-made
institution. It's a set of symbols and metaphors that
provides a language for which to express what is
inexpressible, and that is faith. It's symbols and metaphors
that I prefer, but it's not more right or more wrong than
any other symbols and metaphors. It's a language, that's all
it is."[25] Aslan states that he follows the Sufi
movement.[26]"""

If this is the guy, well then, thanks but no thanks. I find
it difficult enough to slog my way through christian
apologetics ("Brand X"), so why the hell would i bother
slogging through "Brand Y" apologetics? Besides, this guy
seems to be confused about his own religious beliefs. The
only thing worse than a theist is a theist in the middle of
a theology crisis.
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Not the article he's quoting. See my post:

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Where I quote Aslan

"One can certainly be both an atheist and an anti-theist."

Tandy's eyes glaze over after he quote-mines a web-page and
finds the fewmet he wants us to examine.

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Dawkins and Harris are Anti-theists, not Atheists
Atheism and anti-theism are not mutually exclusive.
Whatever, or whoever, gave you the idea they are?
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Where I quote Aslan
"One can certainly be both an atheist and an anti-theist."
Tandy's eyes glaze over after he quote-mines a web-page and
finds the fewmet he wants us to examine.
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OOPS!, you blew it again. This is, verbatim, the title of the article I posted:


Reza Aslan: Sam Harris and “New Atheists” aren’t new, aren’t even atheists
EXCLUSIVE: Renowned scholar calls Harris, Dawkins anti-theists, and as dogmatic, fundamentalist as true believers


Have you ever considered remedial reading?
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Reza Aslan: Sam Harris and “New Atheists” aren’t new, aren’t even atheists
EXCLUSIVE: Renowned scholar calls Harris, Dawkins anti-theists, and as dogmatic, fundamentalist as true believers
*SNIFF-SNIFF* "Renowned scholar"??? Something fallacious may
be going on here...
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Where I quote Aslan
"One can certainly be both an atheist and an anti-theist."
Tandy's eyes glaze over after he quote-mines a web-page and
finds the fewmet he wants us to examine.
Kevin R
Reza Aslan: Sam Harris and “New Atheists” aren’t new, aren’t even atheists
EXCLUSIVE: Renowned scholar calls Harris, Dawkins anti-theists, and as dogmatic, fundamentalist as true believers
Have you ever considered remedial reading?
Have you? The line I quoted is from the same article.
It starts the last paragraph. Authors of magazine
articles don't write the headlines: the mag's editors do.

Kevin R
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Wrong again. They are atheists who are also anti-theists.
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