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For Whom Did Christ Die? - 4
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b***@gmail.com
2018-01-12 10:13:45 UTC
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Now this plan only supposes that God determined from eternity to do what
in time He has actually accomplished. If it were just that all men should
perish on account of their sin it was just to leave a portion of the race
thus to perish, while the salvation of the other portion is a matter of
unmerited favor. It can hardly be denied that God did thus enter into
covenant with his Son. That is, that He did promise Him the salvation of
his people as the reward of his incarnation and sufferings; that Christ
did come into the world and suffer and die on that condition, and, having
performed the condition, is entitled to the promised reward. These are
facts so clearly and so repeatedly stated in the Scriptures as not to admit
of their being called into question. But if such is the plan of God
respecting the salvation of men then it of necessity follows that election
precedes redemption; that God had determined whom He would save before He
sent his Son to save them. Therefore our Lord said that those given to Him
by his Father should certainly come to Him, and that He would raise them
up at the last day. These Scriptural facts cannot be admitted without its
being also admitted that the death of Christ had a reference to his people,
whose salvation it rendered certain, which it had not to others whom, for
infinitely wise reasons, God determined to leave to themselves. It follows,
therefore, from the nature of the covenant of redemption, as presented in
the Bible, that Christ did not die equally for all mankind. but that He
gave Himself for his people and for their redemption.
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John Ritson
2018-01-12 10:53:26 UTC
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Now this plan only supposes that God determined from eternity to do what
in time He has actually accomplished. If it were just that all men should
perish on account of their sin it was just to leave a portion of the race
thus to perish, while the salvation of the other portion is a matter of
unmerited favor. It can hardly be denied that God did thus enter into
covenant with his Son. That is, that He did promise Him the salvation of
his people as the reward of his incarnation and sufferings; that Christ
did come into the world and suffer and die on that condition, and, having
performed the condition, is entitled to the promised reward. These are
facts so clearly and so repeatedly stated in the Scriptures as not to admit
of their being called into question. But if such is the plan of God
respecting the salvation of men then it of necessity follows that election
precedes redemption; that God had determined whom He would save before He
sent his Son to save them. Therefore our Lord said that those given to Him
by his Father should certainly come to Him, and that He would raise them
up at the last day. These Scriptural facts cannot be admitted without its
being also admitted that the death of Christ had a reference to his people,
whose salvation it rendered certain, which it had not to others whom, for
infinitely wise reasons, God determined to leave to themselves. It follows,
therefore, from the nature of the covenant of redemption, as presented in
the Bible, that Christ did not die equally for all mankind. but that He
gave Himself for his people and for their redemption.
More empty wibble from Charles Hodge. Whenever he can't make sense of
the nonsense that is the Wholly Babble, he simply describes it as his
imaginary deity's "infinitely wise reasons".
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a322x1n
2018-01-12 11:00:44 UTC
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Now this plan only supposes that God determined from eternity to do
what in time He has actually accomplished. If it were just that all
men should perish on account of their sin it was just to leave a
portion of the race thus to perish, while the salvation of the other
portion is a matter of unmerited favor. It can hardly be denied that
God did thus enter into covenant with his Son. That is, that He did
promise Him the salvation of his people as the reward of his
incarnation and sufferings; that Christ did come into the world and
suffer and die on that condition, and, having performed the condition,
is entitled to the promised reward. These are facts so clearly and so
repeatedly stated in the Scriptures as not to admit of their being
called into question. But if such is the plan of God respecting the
salvation of men then it of necessity follows that election precedes
redemption; that God had determined whom He would save before He sent
his Son to save them. Therefore our Lord said that those given to Him
by his Father should certainly come to Him, and that He would raise
them up at the last day. These Scriptural facts cannot be admitted
without its being also admitted that the death of Christ had a
reference to his people, whose salvation it rendered certain, which it
had not to others whom, for infinitely wise reasons, God determined to
leave to themselves. It follows, therefore, from the nature of the
covenant of redemption, as presented in the Bible, that Christ did not
die equally for all mankind. but that He gave Himself for his people
and for their redemption.
Translation: Bob and his crazy "church" don't know their asses from
holes in the ground.
dolf
2018-01-12 11:11:27 UTC
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— WHEN WILL JULIAN ASSANGE’S REMAINS BE BROUGHT HOME AND LAID TO REST?

(c) 2017 Dolf Leendert Boek, Revision: 12 January, 2018

Julian,

<http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-11/could-julian-assange-be-deported-from-ecuador-embassy/9321004>

I think it time that the Ecuador Embassy deported you to Australia and you
overcome your fear that Americans will subject you to legal action if you
leave the embassy.

Take for example the Russian enquiry which the Americans have been
undertaking for so long that they are clearly caught in a rut which
suggests a lack of noumenon that ought to be the arbiter of reality and the
protector of the sovereign state. If that was adhered to, then no action
of yours would be an impediment.

That President Trump’s frequent TWEETS are from a public relations
perspective one of the few ways that American politics gets anything done.
Rightly or wrongly he creates an universe of discourse whereby motion of
government occurs.

And in that respect your leaks of Intelligence information does exactly the
same thing and your release of the Wolffe’s “Fire and Fury” manuscript has
assisted Trump’s cause.

If I can still detect from Hitler’s TABLE TALK writings translated into
English a #231 conspiracy with Roman Catholicism to slaughter Jews, what
validity is there to the argument that anyone can make especially given the
matches of morphological sym-bulimia keyed with the STRONGS Hebrew/Greek
lexicon and impositions of a substantiated substituted ethos being made
upon our BOER / ANZAC tradition.

YOUTUBE: "Where Have All The Flowers Gone?"



Perhaps this suggests that academics such as Miller are inhumane and
obsessed with pedantry to such a degree that they can be accused of
themselves being propagandists for the cause of fascism.

<https://www.disclose.tv/an-ancient-manuscript-of-the-bible-has-been-discovered-proving-that-it-is-a-work-of-fiction-314928>

A manuscript of a handwritten copy of the Bible has been discovered at
Cambridge University. The fascinating document shows the King James Bible
in the early editing process of the work and shines a light on just how
much of the original text of the Bible has been omitted from the version
that Christians read today.

King James Bible heavily edited from the original text according to
academics at the prestigious university, the handwritten manuscript had
been mislabelled which meant that it had been left undetected and without
investigation for an incredibly long time.

However, once the manuscript was discovered it caused something of a flurry
of excitement in historical and theological circles as it proves that the
King James Bible, which is one of the most widely read editions of the
Bible in the modern world, has been heavily edited from the original text.

Whole sections of the original text of the Bible are reported to have been
cut out from the finished product with notable people and events being
completely omitted from the finished product.

Professor Miller, who was responsible for re-discovering the astonishing
text and bringing it to light, says that he believes that these omissions
were due to the academics of the age either falling ‘down on the job’ or
just being too lazy to include everything.

He says that his find really illustrates the human impact on the creation
of the King James Bible which is often overlooked by Christians and
academics.

Aren’t you rather, by your statements, simply engaging in fascist
apologetics and subterfuge?

What otherwise is the point you are trying to make?

The discovery of this highly edited text is bound to cause some degree of
controversy in theological circles. The vast majority of Christians who use
the King James Bible today believe that it is the divine word of God, and
yet this discovery proves that the Bible is really a product of the whims
of the translators, the editors and the political figures who lived long
after the death of Christ.

This manuscript will surely raise questions as to whether Christians today
are really following the original line and letter of Christianity.

We prefer the Aramaic Targums any day— Every page reads of Catholic hatred
and intention to slaughter Jews.

How did they come to otherwise possess such intellectual property rights of
others?

I would suggest that my publishing a cursory analysis of Adolf Hitler’s
TABLE TALK would reasonably be categorised as publishing national secrets
of a magnitude greater than ASSANGE has ever done.

<http://www.grapple369.com/docs/Voyeurism.pdf>

Can we even trust the French or this given President “what’s his name”
infatuation with the Roman Catholic Church—didn’t they make him an
anomalous Prince as reward for pandering to their fascist idealism?

Such is his empathy that he weeps for slaughtered priests who “died that we
might live” for their cause célèbre...

Should we not rather mark our centennial by pouring red paint upon our war
graves so as to remind those incalcitrant and ungrateful French and
Europeans that we clearly fought against fascist imperialism?

Why does he (Miller) not have things to say about Hitler’s TABLE TALK
writings translated into English confirming a #231 conspiracy with Roman
Catholicism to slaughter Jews?

I think it is because he derives a pleasure from the crime...

“And I will say to my soul, ‘Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many
years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.’

But God said unto him, ‘Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of
thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?’

So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.”
[Luke 12:19-21 (KJV)]

- dolf

Initial Post: 12 January 2018
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Now this plan only supposes that God determined from eternity to do
what in time He has actually accomplished. If it were just that all
men should perish on account of their sin it was just to leave a
portion of the race thus to perish, while the salvation of the other
portion is a matter of unmerited favor. It can hardly be denied that
God did thus enter into covenant with his Son. That is, that He did
promise Him the salvation of his people as the reward of his
incarnation and sufferings; that Christ did come into the world and
suffer and die on that condition, and, having performed the condition,
is entitled to the promised reward. These are facts so clearly and so
repeatedly stated in the Scriptures as not to admit of their being
called into question. But if such is the plan of God respecting the
salvation of men then it of necessity follows that election precedes
redemption; that God had determined whom He would save before He sent
his Son to save them. Therefore our Lord said that those given to Him
by his Father should certainly come to Him, and that He would raise
them up at the last day. These Scriptural facts cannot be admitted
without its being also admitted that the death of Christ had a
reference to his people, whose salvation it rendered certain, which it
had not to others whom, for infinitely wise reasons, God determined to
leave to themselves. It follows, therefore, from the nature of the
covenant of redemption, as presented in the Bible, that Christ did not
die equally for all mankind. but that He gave Himself for his people
and for their redemption.
Translation: Bob and his crazy "church" don't know their asses from
holes in the ground.
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*CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND*
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SEE ALSO: HYPOSTATIS as DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek:
TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
(translation published within English as first European language in 1993),
first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie.
Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven
visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF
NATURE-genesis [James 3:6] as HYPOSTATIS comprising #81 trinomial
tetragrammaton x 4.5 day = #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER
which is an amalgam of the 64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as
trinomial tetragrammaton rather than its encapsulated contrived use as the
microcosm to redefine the macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean
[Babylonian] as binomial canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF
NUMBER.

- <http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006
defines a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is
permissible to extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING
AS A CONSCIOUS REALITY OF HOMO[iOS] SAPIEN[T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN
THE TEMPORAL REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO[iOS] SAPIEN[T] as
EXISTENCE.

- http://www.grapple369.com/Grapple.zip (Download resources)

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS
Don Martin
2018-01-13 02:12:09 UTC
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Now this plan only supposes that God determined from eternity to do
what in time He has actually accomplished. If it were just that all
men should perish on account of their sin it was just to leave a
portion of the race thus to perish, while the salvation of the other
portion is a matter of unmerited favor. It can hardly be denied that
God did thus enter into covenant with his Son. That is, that He did
promise Him the salvation of his people as the reward of his
incarnation and sufferings; that Christ did come into the world and
suffer and die on that condition, and, having performed the condition,
is entitled to the promised reward. These are facts so clearly and so
repeatedly stated in the Scriptures as not to admit of their being
called into question. But if such is the plan of God respecting the
salvation of men then it of necessity follows that election precedes
redemption; that God had determined whom He would save before He sent
his Son to save them. Therefore our Lord said that those given to Him
by his Father should certainly come to Him, and that He would raise
them up at the last day. These Scriptural facts cannot be admitted
without its being also admitted that the death of Christ had a
reference to his people, whose salvation it rendered certain, which it
had not to others whom, for infinitely wise reasons, God determined to
leave to themselves. It follows, therefore, from the nature of the
covenant of redemption, as presented in the Bible, that Christ did not
die equally for all mankind. but that He gave Himself for his people
and for their redemption.
Translation: Bob and his crazy "church" don't know their asses from
holes in the ground.
You must admit that it is pretty hard to tell the two apart.
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duke
2018-01-14 18:43:05 UTC
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Now this plan only supposes that God determined from eternity to do what
in time He has actually accomplished.
Mankind sinned from the getgo. Jesus died on the cross to redeem all man from
slavery to sin. But that doesn't keep you from sinning in desire as it did for
A&E

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Teresita
2018-01-14 20:19:24 UTC
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Mankind sinned from the getgo.
But it wasn't imputed until Sinai, and then only against the ones who
were under the law, namely the Hebrews.

"Until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there
is no law." (Romans 5:13)

I'm not a Hebrew, so sin is not imputed to me either. Go find victims
somewhere else.
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duke
2018-01-15 23:02:55 UTC
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Mankind sinned from the getgo.
But it wasn't imputed until Sinai, and then only against the ones who
were under the law, namely the Hebrews.
Wrong. Sin is inputted when it comes without actions on one's part. It's
called original sin, the sin that all mankind is born with. It's called
slavery to sin = no choice.
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"Until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there
is no law." (Romans 5:13)
Try getting a true bible!

Romans 5:13New International Version (NIV)
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not
charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.
Post by Teresita
I'm not a Hebrew, so sin is not imputed to me either. Go find victims
somewhere else.
You're a victim, and were cleansed in your baptism.

Acts 2:38-39New International Version (NIV)
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of
Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of
the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are
far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
Romans 6:1–23
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Dead to Sin, Alive to God
6 What shall we say then? mAre we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By
no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that
all of us who have been baptized pinto Christ Jesus were baptized into his
death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that,
just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might
walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united with him in va death like his, we shall certainly
be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self1 was
crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so
that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For zone who has died has been set
free2 from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also
live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die
again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died
to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must
consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.

the dukester, American-American


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TT Liams
2018-01-14 20:22:19 UTC
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Now this plan only supposes that God determined from eternity to do what
in time He has actually accomplished.
Mankind sinned from the getgo. Jesus died on the cross to redeem all man from
slavery to sin. But that doesn't keep you from sinning in desire as it did for
A&E
Jesus saves us from sin.
Teresita
2018-01-14 20:45:12 UTC
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Jesus saves us from sin.
Jesus saves us from what he's going to do to us, forever, if we don't
ask him to save us.
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Bob
2018-01-14 21:17:06 UTC
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Jesus saves us from sin.
Jesus saves us from what he's going to do to us, forever, if we don't
ask him to save us.
That's not exactly true.

But you like skating on thin ice, don't you?
Teresita
2018-01-15 04:18:08 UTC
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Jesus saves us from sin.
Jesus saves us from what he's going to do to us, forever, if we don't
ask him to save us.
That's not exactly true.
But you like skating on thin ice, don't you?
Soon as you apologize for calling me "Kev" we're back in the saddle, Bob.
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Andrew
2018-01-15 05:55:10 UTC
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Jesus saves us from sin.
Jesus saves us from what he's going
to do to us, forever, if we don't ask
him to save us.
That's not exactly true.
But you like skating on thin ice, don't you?
Soon as you apologize for calling me
"Kev" we're back in the saddle, Bob.
It may be best to forgive him without
stipulations.

"If ye do not forgive, neither will your
Father who is in Heaven forgive your
trespasses." ~ Jesus

If God can forgive you of all that you
have done, then surely you can do the
same for someone who has offended
you.
hypatiab7
2018-01-16 00:27:49 UTC
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Jesus saves us from sin.
Jesus saves us from what he's going to do to us, forever, if we don't
ask him to save us.
That's not exactly true.
But you like skating on thin ice, don't you?
The pot calling the yada ...
TT Liams
2018-01-16 20:55:54 UTC
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Jesus saves us from sin.
Jesus saves us from what he's going to do to us, forever, if we don't
ask him to save us.
If we repent and ask him.
Teresita
2018-01-17 01:39:59 UTC
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Jesus saves us from sin.
Jesus saves us from what he's going to do to us, forever, if we don't
ask him to save us.
If we repent and ask him.
If we don't ask him to keep us out of the lake of fire, then we are cast
into the lake of fire where the devil is, and we have no rest day and
night, and the smoke of our torment riseth forever.
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hypatiab7
2018-01-16 00:26:45 UTC
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Now this plan only supposes that God determined from eternity to do what
in time He has actually accomplished.
Mankind sinned from the getgo. Jesus died on the cross to redeem all man from
slavery to sin. But that doesn't keep you from sinning in desire as it did for
A&E
Yadda, yadda, yadda.
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