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Vast Majority of Egyptologists Believe Exodus Happened
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2018-04-08 23:15:41 UTC
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Yap Honghor
2018-04-08 23:46:47 UTC
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Most Jews had migrated North wards toward Europe and probably had few slaves in Egypt.
For a few million Jews to make exodus at the same time is not probable at all.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-04-09 00:00:17 UTC
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From the link you posted, the first comment says:

What a disingenuous halfwit you truly are.
The ”vast majority of Egyptologists”.

agreeing to ”some sort of exodus” is not agreeing to The Exodus as written in the Ild Testament.

19 out of 25 . Were there more Egyptologists at this conference? It seems from the dialogue this was the case.

You really need to read more of the links you refer to so you will embarrass yourself less.
sheesh ranjeesh
2018-04-09 02:28:36 UTC
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What a disingenuous halfwit you truly are.
The ”vast majority of Egyptologists”.
agreeing to ”some sort of exodus” is not agreeing to The Exodus as written in the Ild Testament.
19 out of 25 . Were there more Egyptologists at this conference? It seems from the dialogue this was the case.
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You really need to read more of the links you refer to so you will embarrass yourself less.
It was hard to find: Springer has it paywalled, and it was hardly worth $99 to pursue this.
However, a combination of Google Scholar and Google Books came through; see my
comments, and a link, above.


S%R
John Locke
2018-04-09 11:49:50 UTC
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What a disingenuous halfwit you truly are.
The ”vast majority of Egyptologists”.
agreeing to ”some sort of exodus” is not agreeing to The Exodus as written in the Ild Testament.
19 out of 25 . Were there more Egyptologists at this conference? It seems from the dialogue this was the case.
You really need to read more of the links you refer to so you will embarrass yourself less.
...yep, 3 Hebrews, 2 goats and a chicken DOES NOT comprise a mass
Exodus from Egypt.
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2018-04-09 19:02:36 UTC
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What a disingenuous halfwit you truly are.
The ”vast majority of Egyptologists”.
agreeing to ”some sort of exodus” is not agreeing to The Exodus as written in the Ild Testament.
19 out of 25 . Were there more Egyptologists at this conference? It seems from the dialogue this was the case.
You really need to read more of the links you refer to so you will embarrass yourself less.
...yep, 3 Hebrews, 2 goats and a chicken DOES NOT comprise a mass
Exodus from Egypt.
The chicken had a higher IQ than you do.
duke
2018-04-09 22:08:05 UTC
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What a disingenuous halfwit you truly are.
The ”vast majority of Egyptologists”.
agreeing to ”some sort of exodus” is not agreeing to The Exodus as written in the Ild Testament.
19 out of 25 . Were there more Egyptologists at this conference? It seems from the dialogue this was the case.
You really need to read more of the links you refer to so you will embarrass yourself less.
The basic movement from Egypt back to the Holy Land is as solid a fact as any
there are. Is every detail accurately portrayed in scripture, not likely, Could
the 600000 men + women and children and animals move in tight military step for
40 years in the desert without scattering is unlikely. But they made it back.

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Cloud Hobbit
2018-04-09 22:24:57 UTC
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What a disingenuous halfwit you truly are.
The ”vast majority of Egyptologists”.
agreeing to ”some sort of exodus” is not agreeing to The Exodus as written in the Ild Testament.
19 out of 25 . Were there more Egyptologists at this conference? It seems from the dialogue this was the case.
You really need to read more of the links you refer to so you will embarrass yourself less.
The basic movement from Egypt back to the Holy Land is as solid a fact as any
there are. Is every detail accurately portrayed in scripture, not likely, Could
the 600000 men + women and children and animals move in tight military step for
40 years in the desert without scattering is unlikely. But they made it back.
I have yet to see anybody say they marched in formation.
I have yet to see any reliable evidence confirming the exodus ever happened.
The consensus is that it didn't. If you have any extra-biblical sources that confirm your version, I'm sure we'd love to see the information.
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the dukester, American-Fake Catholic
duke
2018-04-10 22:02:17 UTC
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What a disingenuous halfwit you truly are.
The ”vast majority of Egyptologists”.
agreeing to ”some sort of exodus” is not agreeing to The Exodus as written in the Ild Testament.
19 out of 25 . Were there more Egyptologists at this conference? It seems from the dialogue this was the case.
You really need to read more of the links you refer to so you will embarrass yourself less.
The basic movement from Egypt back to the Holy Land is as solid a fact as any
there are. Is every detail accurately portrayed in scripture, not likely, Could
the 600000 men + women and children and animals move in tight military step for
40 years in the desert without scattering is unlikely. But they made it back.
I have yet to see anybody say they marched in formation.
It's good for the movies to show it that way.
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I have yet to see any reliable evidence confirming the exodus ever happened.
Nobody cares what you see. We know about it.
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The consensus is that it didn't. If you have any extra-biblical sources that confirm your version, I'm sure we'd love to see the information.
Our consensus says it did. If you have ANYTHING FOR YOUR STUPID POSITION, I'd
like to see it.


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Cloud Hobbit
2018-04-10 22:50:40 UTC
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Our consensus says it did. If you have ANYTHING FOR YOUR STUPID POSITION, I'd
like to see it.
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the dukester, American-Moron

Your consensus us meaningless without some real evidence.

It is not possible for that many people to wander for 40 years in the same area and not leave a trace.

All the reliable evidence says it did not happen.

I have already quoted several people who are experts in archaeology who say it's a myth.

You have nothing.
duke
2018-04-11 18:54:57 UTC
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Our consensus says it did. If you have ANYTHING FOR YOUR STUPID POSITION, I'd
like to see it.
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the dukester, American-Moron
Your consensus us meaningless without some real evidence.
It is not possible for that many people to wander for 40 years in the same area and not leave a trace.
All the reliable evidence says it did not happen.
I have already quoted several people who are experts in archaeology who say it's a myth.
How do they know?

the dukester, American-American


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2018-04-11 19:22:32 UTC
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Our consensus says it did. If you have ANYTHING FOR YOUR STUPID POSITION, I'd
like to see it.
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the dukester, American-Moron
Your consensus us meaningless without some real evidence.
It is not possible for that many people to wander for 40 years in the same area and not leave a trace.
All the reliable evidence says it did not happen.
I have already quoted several people who are experts in archaeology who say it's a myth.
How do they know?
The statement of archaeologists posted by Hobbit and Brown which insists there is a "consensus" denying the reality of Moses and the exodus lists only 2 names.I have already posted more than 10 articles by different people which say the opposite.My posts include surveys of Egyptologists who know what ancient Egyptian records say on the subject. I think the evidence speaks volumes.
duke
2018-04-12 13:04:22 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 15:50:40 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Our consensus says it did. If you have ANYTHING FOR YOUR STUPID POSITION, I'd
like to see it.
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the dukester, American-Moron
Your consensus us meaningless without some real evidence.
It is not possible for that many people to wander for 40 years in the same area and not leave a trace.
All the reliable evidence says it did not happen.
I have already quoted several people who are experts in archaeology who say it's a myth.
How do they know?
The statement of archaeologists posted by Hobbit and Brown which insists there is a "consensus"
denying the reality of Moses and the exodus lists only 2 names.I have already posted more than
10 articles by different people which say the opposite.My posts include surveys of Egyptologists
who know what ancient Egyptian records say on the subject. I think the evidence speaks volumes.
I have no problem what so ever with the recorded accounts of the Exodus. That's
said, were tv cameras and movie makers recording the exact wandering for 40+
year - of course not.

The story of the great Exodus is one of God's chosen being led out of Egyptian
slavery to the promised land. A wonderful story full of truths and make
believes that any and all spiritual stories encompass. With that, I rest my
belief is the Exodus as a great spiritual presentation. Any one that wishes to
challenge any detail is free to present their case.



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2018-04-10 01:21:54 UTC
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What a disingenuous halfwit you truly are.
The ”vast majority of Egyptologists”.
agreeing to ”some sort of exodus” is not agreeing to The Exodus as written in the Ild Testament.
19 out of 25 . Were there more Egyptologists at this conference? It seems from the dialogue this was the case.
You really need to read more of the links you refer to so you will embarrass yourself less.
https://tinyurl.com/yaycgmwz
Cloud Hobbit
2018-04-10 06:41:19 UTC
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What a disingenuous halfwit you truly are.
The ”vast majority of Egyptologists”.
agreeing to ”some sort of exodus” is not agreeing to The Exodus as written in the Ild Testament.
19 out of 25 . Were there more Egyptologists at this conference? It seems from the dialogue this was the case.
You really need to read more of the links you refer to so you will embarrass yourself less.
https://tinyurl.com/yaycgmwz
Thank you for showing the normals what a complete dweeb you are.
You have a more positive effect on getting people to decide to become atheists than almost anybody here except maybe Bob and Douche.

How can you not be aware of how incredibly lame you make yourself look?
As soon as you receive proof that your citations are at best questionable and at worst complete bullshit, you lose your fucking mind and start claiming the person who provided the information a liar. You never seem to check to see if the site you link to is actually saying what you want it to say then you end up looking even more pathetic.

Either you're not even smart enough to manage cut and paste without screwing it up, or you're just a nasty troll who probably doesn't believe half of what you claim.

Just can't believe you're that stupid.

I'd work on getting the meds right and maybe then you might be able to get to something normal behavior instead of a raving, lying, looney.

Work on that and then try it again, we will certainly be all too happy to let you know if the meds are working.

Hell, maybe you could just spark a fatty and it might help.

As it is now, you're completely over the top batshit crazy.
So if that's not the image you wish to convey, you should seek professional help right away.

Or you could just fuck off and die.
v***@gmail.com
2018-04-10 09:01:25 UTC
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What a disingenuous halfwit you truly are.
The ”vast majority of Egyptologists”.
agreeing to ”some sort of exodus” is not agreeing to The Exodus as written in the Ild Testament.
19 out of 25 . Were there more Egyptologists at this conference? It seems from the dialogue this was the case.
You really need to read more of the links you refer to so you will embarrass yourself less.
https://tinyurl.com/yaycgmwz
Thank you for showing the normals what a complete dweeb you are.
You have a more positive effect on getting people to decide to become atheists than almost anybody here except maybe Bob and Douche.
How can you not be aware of how incredibly lame you make yourself look?
As soon as you receive proof that your citations are at best questionable and at worst complete bullshit, you lose your fucking mind and start claiming the person who provided the information a liar. You never seem to check to see if the site you link to is actually saying what you want it to say then you end up looking even more pathetic.
Either you're not even smart enough to manage cut and paste without screwing it up, or you're just a nasty troll who probably doesn't believe half of what you claim.
Just can't believe you're that stupid.
I'd work on getting the meds right and maybe then you might be able to get to something normal behavior instead of a raving, lying, looney.
Work on that and then try it again, we will certainly be all too happy to let you know if the meds are working.
Hell, maybe you could just spark a fatty and it might help.
As it is now, you're completely over the top batshit crazy.
So if that's not the image you wish to convey, you should seek professional help right away.
Or you could just fuck off and die.
https://tinyurl.com/yaycgmwz
Mitchell Holman
2018-04-09 02:02:04 UTC
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"There is NO archaeological evidence that
supports the biblical tale of The Exodus.
Absolutely none."
sheesh ranjeesh
2018-04-09 02:23:24 UTC
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A few more facts about this.

-- Hoeffmeier asked 125 Egyptologists. Only 25 bothered to answer.

-- Hoeffmeier excluded from his survey anyone whose opinion he already knew.

-- He asked the respondants if they had published on the topic. Only
five of the 25 had, and "...none had engaged in a major project".

-- Of the 20 out of 25 who said they had not published on the topic,
the reasons they gave for not having done so was that they had
no expertise, or had no interest in the topic, or it was too
specialized a topic for their area of expertise, or that they
didn't want to get into a debate that was so religiously loaded.
Nonetheless, they offered an answer.

-- Hoeffmeier said he was surprised by the positive results, but
added that "...most gave no evidence of knowledge of the debates
of the past 30 years among Old Testament scholars and biblical
archaeologists on the origins of Israel."

-- He asked two additional questions to give the respondants why
they held the opinions they did, but "many left these questions
blank".

-- "Another theme that came up with some frequency was the recognition
that Egypt may never be able to produce positive archaeological
evidence for the Hebrews in Egypt because there were large numbers
of Semites in Egypt at various times during the Second Millennium B.C.
and it would be impossible to distinguish one group from another."

-- "80 percent [of all asked] were either not interested in matters of biblical
history or felt they lacked the expertise to offer anything
concrete to the origins of Israel debate".


Taking all this together, Hoffmeier's paper hardly strikes me as
overwhelming evidence for the vast majority of all Egyptlogists
agreeing that the exodus was a historical event. Only a self-selected
twenty percent even answered, and of those most had done no significant
research in the area, and in fact "gave no evidence of knowledge of the debates
of the past 30 years" on the topic.


https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=xpe1BwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA196&ots=Me_TxpsoBw&sig=_Xau9ZeqrFfu_69sTqmisdFBytw#v=onepage&q&f=false

or:

https://tinyurl.com/yapvsujk

under the section "What do Egyptologists really think about the exodus?"




SR
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2018-04-10 02:36:16 UTC
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https://faithfulphilosophy.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/vast-majority-of-egyptologists-believe-the-exodus-happened/
A few more facts about this.
-- Hoeffmeier asked 125 Egyptologists. Only 25 bothered to answer.
-- Hoeffmeier excluded from his survey anyone whose opinion he already knew.
-- He asked the respondants if they had published on the topic. Only
five of the 25 had, and "...none had engaged in a major project".
-- Of the 20 out of 25 who said they had not published on the topic,
the reasons they gave for not having done so was that they had
no expertise, or had no interest in the topic, or it was too
specialized a topic for their area of expertise, or that they
didn't want to get into a debate that was so religiously loaded.
Nonetheless, they offered an answer.
-- Hoeffmeier said he was surprised by the positive results, but
added that "...most gave no evidence of knowledge of the debates
of the past 30 years among Old Testament scholars and biblical
archaeologists on the origins of Israel."
-- He asked two additional questions to give the respondants why
they held the opinions they did, but "many left these questions
blank".
-- "Another theme that came up with some frequency was the recognition
that Egypt may never be able to produce positive archaeological
evidence for the Hebrews in Egypt because there were large numbers
of Semites in Egypt at various times during the Second Millennium B.C.
and it would be impossible to distinguish one group from another."
-- "80 percent [of all asked] were either not interested in matters of biblical
history or felt they lacked the expertise to offer anything
concrete to the origins of Israel debate".
Taking all this together, Hoffmeier's paper hardly strikes me as
overwhelming evidence for the vast majority of all Egyptlogists
agreeing that the exodus was a historical event. Only a self-selected
twenty percent even answered, and of those most had done no significant
research in the area, and in fact "gave no evidence of knowledge of the debates
of the past 30 years" on the topic.
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=xpe1BwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA196&ots=Me_TxpsoBw&sig=_Xau9ZeqrFfu_69sTqmisdFBytw#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://tinyurl.com/yapvsujk
under the section "What do Egyptologists really think about the exodus?"
SR
Nicely done.

Completely wasted on the troll, but it's always nice to see that kind
of ratiocination in action.
--
Cheers,
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perished: for they are forever praying for evil against one another."

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2018-04-09 20:41:04 UTC
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This is really laughable. Based on a conference held on the "exodus,"
of the attendees, most of them believed in the exodus.

I'll bet you I could go to a conference of the KKK and find most of
the attendees believe that the white Aryan race is superior.

What utter and unabashed tripe is this? Vandufsky is wallowing among
the bottom feeders trying to bolster a belief in his favorite fiction.
hypatiab7
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No, they don't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

http://exitmundi.nl/bible/web-content/mos_exodus.html

http://prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/grounds.htm

http://mosesneverexisted.zohosites.com/
has some old info showing how this idea developed)

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/doubtingexodus.htm

That's enough for now. There are more, but I don't believe in drowning
people with information.
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2018-04-10 07:24:03 UTC
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No, they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
http://exitmundi.nl/bible/web-content/mos_exodus.html
http://prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/grounds.htm
http://mosesneverexisted.zohosites.com/
has some old info showing how this idea developed)
http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/doubtingexodus.htm
That's enough for now. There are more, but I don't believe in drowning
people with information.
...good stuff though. It's pretty obvious that there was no Exodus. Of
course Mad Arty won't admit that he's dead wrong and that all of his
source material is just pure bullshit.
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https://faithfulphilosophy.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/vast-majority-of-egyptologists-believe-the-exodus-happened/
No, they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
http://exitmundi.nl/bible/web-content/mos_exodus.html
http://prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/grounds.htm
http://mosesneverexisted.zohosites.com/
has some old info showing how this idea developed)
http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/doubtingexodus.htm
That's enough for now. There are more, but I don't believe in drowning
people with information.
...good stuff though. It's pretty obvious that there was no Exodus. Of
course Mad Arty won't admit that he's dead wrong and that all of his
source material is just pure bullshit.
ArtieJoe doesn't care. As long as he's annoying people and getting the attention he so desperately craves, he's happy. And if he is a secret
Christian, as I suspect, He believes he's sending us to his hell.
v***@gmail.com
2018-04-11 18:24:53 UTC
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https://faithfulphilosophy.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/vast-majority-of-egyptologists-believe-the-exodus-happened/
No, they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
http://exitmundi.nl/bible/web-content/mos_exodus.html
http://prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/grounds.htm
http://mosesneverexisted.zohosites.com/
has some old info showing how this idea developed)
http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/doubtingexodus.htm
That's enough for now. There are more, but I don't believe in drowning
people with information.
...good stuff though. It's pretty obvious that there was no Exodus. Of
course Mad Arty won't admit that he's dead wrong and that all of his
source material is just pure bullshit.
ArtieJoe doesn't care. As long as he's annoying people and getting the attention he so desperately craves, he's happy. And if he is a secret
Christian, as I suspect, He believes he's sending us to his hell.
Is that why I ask people to killfile me, idiot?
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No, they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
http://exitmundi.nl/bible/web-content/mos_exodus.html
http://prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/grounds.htm
http://mosesneverexisted.zohosites.com/
has some old info showing how this idea developed)
http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/doubtingexodus.htm
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Post by John Locke
That's enough for now. There are more, but I don't believe in drowning
people with information.
...good stuff though. It's pretty obvious that there was no Exodus. Of
course Mad Arty won't admit that he's dead wrong and that all of his
source material is just pure bullshit.
ArtieJoe doesn't care. As long as he's annoying people and
getting the attention he so desperately craves, he's happy. And if he
is a secret
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Christian, as I suspect, He believes he's sending us to his hell.
Is that why I ask people to killfile me, idiot?
I kill fill you cause your a rumdum lol.
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2018-04-10 13:00:02 UTC
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Historicity

"The scholarly consensus is that the figure of Moses is legendary, and not historical,[8] although a "Moses-like figure may have existed somewhere in the southern Transjordan in the mid-late 13th century B.C."[31] Certainly no Egyptian sources mention Moses or the events of Exodus-Deuteronomy, nor has any archaeological evidence been discovered in Egypt or the Sinai wilderness to support the story in which he is the central figure."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses
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