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Count Cannula found guilty
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Cloud Hobbit
2018-03-24 05:46:02 UTC
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It seems that teaching your dog to give Nazi salute and posting the video of said teaching is a hate crime.

Sometimes the law is an ass.

Political Correctness is going to kill us if we let it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727/amp#ampshare=https://gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727
Cloud Hobbit
2018-03-24 05:47:32 UTC
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FUCK. Obviously that should have been Count Dankula.
StanFast
2018-03-24 20:13:15 UTC
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FUCK.
Trying to dox yourself to anyone who knows who you are meaning your real original identity?
Cloud Hobbit
2018-03-24 21:01:43 UTC
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FUCK.
Trying to dox yourself to anyone who knows who you are meaning your real original identity?
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No.

What are you talking about?
StanFast
2018-03-24 21:02:53 UTC
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FUCK.
Trying to dox yourself to anyone who knows who you are meaning your real original identity?
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No.
What are you talking about?
If anyone was told you who are, your identity, and then looked at your posting, there are plenty of people that remember you from your early usenet days that easily could confirm you are that person.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-03-24 22:36:41 UTC
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If anyone was told you who are, your identity, and then looked at your posting, there are plenty of people that remember you from your early usenet days that easily could confirm you are that person.
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What person?
StanFast
2018-03-24 22:39:28 UTC
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If anyone was told you who are, your identity, and then looked at your posting, there are plenty of people that remember you from your early usenet days that easily could confirm you are that person.
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What person?
you don't even know who you are?


Cloud Hobbit
2018-03-24 23:12:38 UTC
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If anyone was told you who are, your identity, and then looked at your posting, there are plenty of people that remember you from your early usenet days that easily could confirm you are that person.
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What person?
you don't even know who you are?

http://youtu.be/vd1WdmHsvXI


You got me mate, I'm Pete Townsend.
StanFast
2018-03-24 23:14:32 UTC
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If anyone was told you who are, your identity, and then looked at your posting, there are plenty of people that remember you from your early usenet days that easily could confirm you are that person.
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What person?
you don't even know who you are?
http://youtu.be/vd1WdmHsvXI
You got me mate, I'm Pete Townsend.
So you don't know who you are, now you think you are some celebrity.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-03-25 07:39:30 UTC
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So you don't know who you are, now you think you are some celebrity.
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I know who I am.
Who do you think I am?
Who the FUCK are you?
StanFast
2018-03-25 19:15:18 UTC
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So you don't know who you are, now you think you are some celebrity.
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I know who I am.
Who do you think I am?
Who the FUCK are you?
Someone who knows who you are.
StanFast
2018-03-24 23:03:41 UTC
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FUCK. Obviously that should have been Count Dankula.
Sure it shouldn't have been count chocula?
hypatiab7
2018-03-24 07:06:17 UTC
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It seems that teaching your dog to give Nazi salute and posting the video of said teaching is a hate crime.
Sometimes the law is an ass.
Sometimes people don't read entire articles. The guy said he trained
the dog to do a Nazi salute to bug his girlfriend, but he continued
posting it long after she saw it. He wanted it to be seen. And the
salute wasn't the only thing he taught the dog to do. He also taught
the dog to have a reaction whenever he hears the word 'Jew'. The guy
is an anti-Semite.

As atheists, we aren't against all religious people. We're against
their religions and what those religions can convince people to do
against those who don't believe as they do.

If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took it down
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but he did
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the guy
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible.
I might have agreed with you.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Political Correctness is going to kill us if we let it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727/amp#ampshare=https://gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727
Cloud Hobbit
2018-03-24 07:19:13 UTC
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If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took it down
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but he did
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the guy
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible.
I might have agreed with you.
- show quoted text -

So it should be a crime to hurt or offend someone?

Even assholes are supposed to be able to speak freely.

This is a thought crime that makes the law the judge of your state of mind.

The guy put it up as a joke.
People thought it was funny an other people did not.

Free speech is one of the cornerstones of actually being free. Unless you yell fire in a crowded theatre or something similar it's nobody's business.
No harm was done, nothing remotely criminal.

It will provide him with new comedy material for years.

Unless they make that a crime too.
hypatiab7
2018-03-24 07:42:35 UTC
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If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took it down
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but he did
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the guy
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible.
I might have agreed with you.
- show quoted text -
So it should be a crime to hurt or offend someone?
It wasn't the only example.
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Even assholes are supposed to be able to speak freely.
True, and the judge took this into consideration. His intent was obvious.
Post by hypatiab7
This is a thought crime that makes the law the judge of your state of mind.
The guy put it up as a joke.
People thought it was funny an other people did not.
Where is the humor? Is his girlfriend Jewish?
Post by hypatiab7
Free speech is one of the cornerstones of actually being free. Unless you yell fire in a crowded theatre or something similar it's nobody's business.
No harm was done, nothing remotely criminal.
It will provide him with new comedy material for years.
Unless they make that a crime too.
Trying to make Nazis look funny and make them more acceptable? He's no Hogan and no Mel Brooks.
Malte Runz
2018-03-24 12:14:24 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:42:35 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
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Post by hypatiab7
If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took it down
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but he did
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the guy
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible.
I might have agreed with you.
- show quoted text -
So it should be a crime to hurt or offend someone?
It wasn't the only example.
Post by hypatiab7
Even assholes are supposed to be able to speak freely.
True, and the judge took this into consideration. His intent was obvious.
His intend was to make a joke that was based on our mutual contempt
for nazis and everything they represent.
Post by hypatiab7
Post by hypatiab7
This is a thought crime that makes the law the judge of your state of mind.
The guy put it up as a joke.
People thought it was funny an other people did not.
Where is the humor? Is his girlfriend Jewish?
It had nothing at all to do with Jews. It was about 'cute' pugs and
nazis, and how the latter are the least cute thing he could think of.
Maybe the joke would have been even more obvious had he clad the ugly
little creature in a KKK costume, and nobody would have bat an eye.
Post by hypatiab7
Post by hypatiab7
Free speech is one of the cornerstones of actually being free. Unless you yell fire in a crowded theatre or something similar it's nobody's business.
No harm was done, nothing remotely criminal.
It will provide him with new comedy material for years.
Unless they make that a crime too.
Trying to make Nazis look funny and make them more acceptable? He's no Hogan and no Mel Brooks.
He didn't try to make nazis to look funny. He tried to make a pug look
ugly. Free speech is free speech only if we let those we disagree with
also speak freely. This horror show started with the fatwa issued
against Salman Rushhdie. These days anybody can claim that they have
been offended and that the protection of their feelings is more
valuable than the most important pillar of a free and open society. I
am utterly appalled that he was convicted.
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Malte Runz
Gospel TT
2018-03-24 15:34:53 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:14:24 +0100, Malte Runz
Post by Malte Runz
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:42:35 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 3:19:16 AM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit
Post by hypatiab7
If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took it down
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but he did
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the guy
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible.
I might have agreed with you.
- show quoted text -
So it should be a crime to hurt or offend someone?
It wasn't the only example.
Post by hypatiab7
Even assholes are supposed to be able to speak freely.
True, and the judge took this into consideration. His intent was obvious.
His intend was to make a joke that was based on our mutual contempt
for nazis and everything they represent.
Post by hypatiab7
This is a thought crime that makes the law the judge of your state of mind.
The guy put it up as a joke.
People thought it was funny an other people did not.
Where is the humor? Is his girlfriend Jewish?
It had nothing at all to do with Jews. It was about 'cute' pugs and
nazis, and how the latter are the least cute thing he could think of.
Maybe the joke would have been even more obvious had he clad the ugly
little creature in a KKK costume, and nobody would have bat an eye.
Post by hypatiab7
Free speech is one of the cornerstones of actually being free.
Unless you yell fire in a crowded theatre or something similar it's
nobody's business.
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
No harm was done, nothing remotely criminal.
It will provide him with new comedy material for years.
Unless they make that a crime too.
Trying to make Nazis look funny and make them more acceptable?
He's no Hogan and no Mel Brooks.
Post by Malte Runz
He didn't try to make nazis to look funny. He tried to make a pug look
ugly. Free speech is free speech only if we let those we disagree with
also speak freely. This horror show started with the fatwa issued
against Salman Rushhdie. These days anybody can claim that they have
been offended and that the protection of their feelings is more
valuable than the most important pillar of a free and open society. I
am utterly appalled that he was convicted.
--
Malte Runz
Thx Malte. My respect for you just rose precipitously.
aaa
2018-03-24 22:39:45 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:42:35 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 3:19:16 AM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit
Post by hypatiab7
If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took it
down
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but he
did
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the guy >>
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible. >> I might have
agreed with you. >> - show quoted text -
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
So it should be a crime to hurt or offend someone?
It wasn't the only example. >> >> Even assholes are supposed to be
able to speak freely. >
True, and the judge took this into consideration. His intent was
obvious.
Post by Malte Runz
His intend was to make a joke that was based on our mutual contempt
for nazis and everything they represent.
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
This is a thought crime that makes the law the judge of your
state of mind.
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The guy put it up as a joke.
People thought it was funny an other people did not. >
Where is the humor? Is his girlfriend Jewish?
It had nothing at all to do with Jews. It was about 'cute' pugs and
nazis, and how the latter are the least cute thing he could think
of.
Post by Malte Runz
Maybe the joke would have been even more obvious had he clad the
ugly
Post by Malte Runz
little creature in a KKK costume, and nobody would have bat an eye.
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Free speech is one of the cornerstones of actually being free.
Unless you yell fire in a crowded theatre or something similar it's
nobody's business.
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
No harm was done, nothing remotely criminal.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
It will provide him with new comedy material for years.
Unless they make that a crime too.
Trying to make Nazis look funny and make them more acceptable?
He's no Hogan and no Mel Brooks.
Post by Malte Runz
He didn't try to make nazis to look funny. He tried to make a pug
look
Post by Malte Runz
ugly. Free speech is free speech only if we let those we disagree
with
Post by Malte Runz
also speak freely. This horror show started with the fatwa issued
against Salman Rushhdie. These days anybody can claim that they have
been offended and that the protection of their feelings is more
valuable than the most important pillar of a free and open society.
I
Post by Malte Runz
am utterly appalled that he was convicted.
--
Malte Runz
Thx Malte. My respect for you just rose precipitously.
He is a quite a spin doctor, isn't he? :-)
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2018-03-25 07:32:03 UTC
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Post by Gospel TT
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:14:24 +0100, Malte Runz
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:42:35 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 3:19:16 AM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit
Post by hypatiab7
If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took it
down
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but he
did
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the guy >>
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible. >> I might have
agreed with you. >> - show quoted text -
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
So it should be a crime to hurt or offend someone?
It wasn't the only example. >> >> Even assholes are supposed to be
able to speak freely. >
True, and the judge took this into consideration. His intent was
obvious.
Post by Malte Runz
His intend was to make a joke that was based on our mutual
contempt
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
for nazis and everything they represent.
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
This is a thought crime that makes the law the judge of your
state of mind.
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The guy put it up as a joke.
People thought it was funny an other people did not. >
Where is the humor? Is his girlfriend Jewish?
It had nothing at all to do with Jews. It was about 'cute' pugs and
nazis, and how the latter are the least cute thing he could think
of.
Post by Malte Runz
Maybe the joke would have been even more obvious had he clad the
ugly
Post by Malte Runz
little creature in a KKK costume, and nobody would have bat an eye.
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Free speech is one of the cornerstones of actually being free.
Unless you yell fire in a crowded theatre or something similar it's
nobody's business.
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
No harm was done, nothing remotely criminal.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
It will provide him with new comedy material for years.
Unless they make that a crime too.
Trying to make Nazis look funny and make them more acceptable?
He's no Hogan and no Mel Brooks.
Post by Malte Runz
He didn't try to make nazis to look funny. He tried to make a pug
look
Post by Malte Runz
ugly. Free speech is free speech only if we let those we disagree
with
Post by Malte Runz
also speak freely. This horror show started with the fatwa issued
against Salman Rushhdie. These days anybody can claim that they have
been offended and that the protection of their feelings is more
valuable than the most important pillar of a free and open
society.
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
I
Post by Malte Runz
am utterly appalled that he was convicted.
--
Malte Runz
Thx Malte. My respect for you just rose precipitously.
He is a quite a spin doctor, isn't he? :-)
That's not what I meant.
aaa
2018-03-25 08:34:15 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:14:24 +0100, Malte Runz
Post by Malte Runz
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:42:35 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 3:19:16 AM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit
Post by hypatiab7
If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took
it
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
down
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but
he
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
did
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the
guy >>
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible. >> I might
have
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
agreed with you. >> - show quoted text -
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
So it should be a crime to hurt or offend someone?
It wasn't the only example. >> >> Even assholes are supposed to
be
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
able to speak freely. >
True, and the judge took this into consideration. His intent was
obvious.
Post by Malte Runz
His intend was to make a joke that was based on our mutual
contempt
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
for nazis and everything they represent.
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
This is a thought crime that makes the law the judge of
your
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
state of mind.
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The guy put it up as a joke.
People thought it was funny an other people did not. >
Where is the humor? Is his girlfriend Jewish?
It had nothing at all to do with Jews. It was about 'cute' pugs
and
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
nazis, and how the latter are the least cute thing he could think
of.
Post by Malte Runz
Maybe the joke would have been even more obvious had he clad the
ugly
Post by Malte Runz
little creature in a KKK costume, and nobody would have bat an
eye.
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Free speech is one of the cornerstones of actually being
free.
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Unless you yell fire in a crowded theatre or something similar
it's
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
nobody's business.
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
No harm was done, nothing remotely criminal.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
It will provide him with new comedy material for years.
Unless they make that a crime too.
Trying to make Nazis look funny and make them more acceptable?
He's no Hogan and no Mel Brooks.
Post by Malte Runz
He didn't try to make nazis to look funny. He tried to make a pug
look
Post by Malte Runz
ugly. Free speech is free speech only if we let those we disagree
with
Post by Malte Runz
also speak freely. This horror show started with the fatwa issued
against Salman Rushhdie. These days anybody can claim that they
have
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
been offended and that the protection of their feelings is more
valuable than the most important pillar of a free and open
society.
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
I
Post by Malte Runz
am utterly appalled that he was convicted.
--
Malte Runz
Thx Malte. My respect for you just rose precipitously.
He is a quite a spin doctor, isn't he? :-)
That's not what I meant.
Can you disagree? :-)
--
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:14:24 +0100, Malte Runz
Post by Malte Runz
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:42:35 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 3:19:16 AM UTC-4, Cloud Hobbit
Post by hypatiab7
If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took
it
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
down
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but
he
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
did
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the
guy >>
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible. >> I might
have
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
agreed with you. >> - show quoted text -
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
So it should be a crime to hurt or offend someone?
It wasn't the only example. >> >> Even assholes are supposed to
be
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
able to speak freely. >
True, and the judge took this into consideration. His intent was
obvious.
Post by Malte Runz
His intend was to make a joke that was based on our mutual
contempt
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
for nazis and everything they represent.
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
This is a thought crime that makes the law the judge of
your
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
state of mind.
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The guy put it up as a joke.
People thought it was funny an other people did not. >
Where is the humor? Is his girlfriend Jewish?
It had nothing at all to do with Jews. It was about 'cute' pugs
and
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
nazis, and how the latter are the least cute thing he could think
of.
Post by Malte Runz
Maybe the joke would have been even more obvious had he clad the
ugly
Post by Malte Runz
little creature in a KKK costume, and nobody would have bat an
eye.
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Free speech is one of the cornerstones of actually being
free.
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Unless you yell fire in a crowded theatre or something similar
it's
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
nobody's business.
Post by Malte Runz
Post by hypatiab7
No harm was done, nothing remotely criminal.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
It will provide him with new comedy material for years.
Unless they make that a crime too.
Trying to make Nazis look funny and make them more
acceptable?
Post by aaa
Post by hypatiab7
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
He's no Hogan and no Mel Brooks.
Post by Malte Runz
He didn't try to make nazis to look funny. He tried to make a pug
look
Post by Malte Runz
ugly. Free speech is free speech only if we let those we
disagree
Post by aaa
Post by hypatiab7
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
with
Post by Malte Runz
also speak freely. This horror show started with the fatwa issued
against Salman Rushhdie. These days anybody can claim that they
have
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
Post by Malte Runz
been offended and that the protection of their feelings is more
valuable than the most important pillar of a free and open
society.
Post by aaa
Post by Gospel TT
I
Post by Malte Runz
am utterly appalled that he was convicted.
--
Malte Runz
Thx Malte. My respect for you just rose precipitously.
He is a quite a spin doctor, isn't he? :-)
That's not what I meant.
Can you disagree? :-)
He's real smart yeh.
aaa
2018-03-24 22:48:37 UTC
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:42:35 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
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Post by hypatiab7
If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took it down
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but he did
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the guy
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible.
I might have agreed with you.
- show quoted text -
So it should be a crime to hurt or offend someone?
It wasn't the only example.
Post by hypatiab7
Even assholes are supposed to be able to speak freely.
True, and the judge took this into consideration. His intent was obvious.
His intend was to make a joke that was based on our mutual contempt
for nazis and everything they represent.
Post by hypatiab7
Post by hypatiab7
This is a thought crime that makes the law the judge of your state of mind.
The guy put it up as a joke.
People thought it was funny an other people did not.
Where is the humor? Is his girlfriend Jewish?
It had nothing at all to do with Jews. It was about 'cute' pugs and
nazis, and how the latter are the least cute thing he could think of.
Maybe the joke would have been even more obvious had he clad the ugly
little creature in a KKK costume, and nobody would have bat an eye.
Post by hypatiab7
Post by hypatiab7
Free speech is one of the cornerstones of actually being free. Unless you yell fire in a crowded theatre or something similar it's nobody's business.
No harm was done, nothing remotely criminal.
It will provide him with new comedy material for years.
Unless they make that a crime too.
Trying to make Nazis look funny and make them more acceptable? He's no Hogan and no Mel Brooks.
He didn't try to make nazis to look funny. He tried to make a pug look
ugly. Free speech is free speech only if we let those we disagree with
also speak freely. This horror show started with the fatwa issued
against Salman Rushhdie. These days anybody can claim that they have
been offended and that the protection of their feelings is more
valuable than the most important pillar of a free and open society. I
am utterly appalled that he was convicted.
He is quite unethical to make such stupid politically sensitive jokes.
To convict him with hate crime might be too far, but to tolerate his
behavior doesn't make the problem go away. Both sides are going at the
extremes. I think there should be a middle ground to take the politics
out of it.
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If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took it down
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but he did
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the guy
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible.
I might have agreed with you.
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So it should be a crime to hurt or offend someone?
Even assholes are supposed to be able to speak freely.
This is a thought crime that makes the law the judge of your state of mind.
The guy put it up as a joke.
People thought it was funny an other people did not.
Free speech is one of the cornerstones of actually being free. Unless you yell fire in a crowded theatre or something similar it's nobody's business.
No harm was done,
How childish and intellectually underdeveloped you are.
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If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took it down
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but he did
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the guy
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible. I might have
agreed with you. - show quoted text -
So it should be a crime to hurt or offend someone?
Even assholes are supposed to be able to speak freely.
This is a thought crime that makes the law the judge of your state of mind.
The guy put it up as a joke. People thought it was funny an other
people did not.
Free speech is one of the cornerstones of actually being free.
Unless you yell fire in a crowded theatre or something similar it's
nobody's business. No harm was done, nothing remotely criminal.
It will provide him with new comedy material for years.
Unless they make that a crime too.
This isn't a thought crime, and it isn't freedom of speech either. This
is simply an unethical foolish behavior that should not be allowed in a
civil society. You can have your political freedom, but you must respect
and abide by the society's moral standard to never hurt or offend any
member of the society intentionally.
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You can have your political freedom, but you must respect
and abide by the society's moral standard to never hurt or offend any
member of the society intentionally.
Ever heard of self defense?
aaa
2018-03-24 22:38:45 UTC
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Post by aaa
You can have your political freedom, but you must respect
and abide by the society's moral standard to never hurt or offend any
member of the society intentionally.
Ever heard of self defense?
Yes. It happens when a member of society is threatened by violence.
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You can have your political freedom, but you must respect
and abide by the society's moral standard to never hurt or offend any
member of the society intentionally.
Ever heard of self defense?
Yes. It happens when a member of society is threatened
Now, what about offended?
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Post by StanFast
Post by aaa
You can have your political freedom, but you must respect
and abide by the society's moral standard to never hurt or offend any
member of the society intentionally.
Ever heard of self defense?
Yes. It happens when a member of society is threatened
Now, what about offended?
I think the offended defended himself justly. That's why it's called
self defense, isn't it?
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Post by StanFast
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Post by aaa
You can have your political freedom, but you must respect
and abide by the society's moral standard to never hurt or offend any
member of the society intentionally.
Ever heard of self defense?
Yes. It happens when a member of society is threatened
Now, what about offended?
I think the offended defended himself justly.
Most juries wouldn't agree.
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Post by StanFast
Post by aaa
Post by StanFast
Post by aaa
You can have your political freedom, but you must respect
and abide by the society's moral standard to never hurt or offend any
member of the society intentionally.
Ever heard of self defense?
Yes. It happens when a member of society is threatened
Now, what about offended?
I think the offended defended himself justly.
Most juries wouldn't agree.
I thought you were talking about self defense. Why would the jury disagree?
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Post by aaa
You can have your political freedom, but you must respect
and abide by the society's moral standard to never hurt or offend any
member of the society intentionally.
Ever heard of self defense?
Yes. It happens when a member of society is threatened
Now, what about offended?
I think the offended defended himself justly.
Most juries wouldn't agree.
I thought you were talking about self defense. Why would the jury disagree?
Just because someone insults you, does not then legally allow you to physical harm them.

Now that is not a license to insult, but it would be illegal to do something to them.

For example If I insult you online, you need to have a thick skin if online, that is how it is, if you choose to make your life online mostly, you can't be a bully against others, as you feel it a threat to your online activities, you should improve your capability online or find something else to do.
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Post by aaa
You can have your political freedom, but you must
respect and abide by the society's moral standard to
never hurt or offend any member of the society
intentionally.
Ever heard of self defense?
Yes. It happens when a member of society is threatened
Now, what about offended?
I think the offended defended himself justly.
Most juries wouldn't agree.
I thought you were talking about self defense. Why would the jury disagree?
Just because someone insults you, does not then legally allow you to physical harm them.
Now that is not a license to insult, but it would be illegal to do something to them.
For example If I insult you online, you need to have a thick skin if
online, that is how it is, if you choose to make your life online
mostly, you can't be a bully against others, as you feel it a threat
to your online activities, you should improve your capability online
or find something else to do.
What does insulting people have anything to do with your original claim
about self defense?
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On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 3:20:36 PM UTC-7, aaa
Post by aaa
You can have your political freedom, but you must
respect and abide by the society's moral standard to
never hurt or offend any member of the society
intentionally.
Ever heard of self defense?
Yes. It happens when a member of society is threatened
Now, what about offended?
I think the offended defended himself justly.
Most juries wouldn't agree.
I thought you were talking about self defense. Why would the jury disagree?
Just because someone insults you, does not then legally allow you to
physical harm them.
Now that is not a license to insult, but it would be illegal to do something to them.
For example If I insult you online, you need to have a thick skin if
online, that is how it is, if you choose to make your life online
mostly, you can't be a bully against others, as you feel it a threat
to your online activities, you should improve your capability online
or find something else to do.
What does insulting people have anything to do with your original claim
about self defense?
Lacks reading comprehension.
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On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 3:20:36 PM UTC-7, aaa
Post by aaa
You can have your political freedom, but you must
respect and abide by the society's moral standard to
never hurt or offend any member of the society
intentionally.
Ever heard of self defense?
Yes. It happens when a member of society is threatened
Now, what about offended?
I think the offended defended himself justly.
Most juries wouldn't agree.
I thought you were talking about self defense. Why would the jury disagree?
Just because someone insults you, does not then legally allow you to
physical harm them.
Now that is not a license to insult, but it would be illegal to do something to them.
For example If I insult you online, you need to have a thick skin if
online, that is how it is, if you choose to make your life online
mostly, you can't be a bully against others, as you feel it a threat
to your online activities, you should improve your capability online
or find something else to do.
What does insulting people have anything to do with your original claim
about self defense?
Lacks reading comprehension.
Apparently so since you are running all over the map.

BTW, what do all of these have anything to do with what I originally
said about not to hurt or offend people intentionally?
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On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 3:20:36 PM UTC-7, aaa
Post by aaa
You can have your political freedom, but you must
respect and abide by the society's moral standard to
never hurt or offend any member of the society
intentionally.
Ever heard of self defense?
Yes. It happens when a member of society is threatened
Now, what about offended?
I think the offended defended himself justly.
Most juries wouldn't agree.
I thought you were talking about self defense. Why would the jury disagree?
Just because someone insults you, does not then legally allow you to
physical harm them.
Now that is not a license to insult, but it would be illegal to do
something to them.
For example If I insult you online, you need to have a thick skin if
online, that is how it is, if you choose to make your life online
mostly, you can't be a bully against others, as you feel it a threat
to your online activities, you should improve your capability online
or find something else to do.
What does insulting people have anything to do with your original claim
about self defense?
Lacks reading comprehension.
Apparently so
puppet
I know who pulls your strings
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It seems that teaching your dog to give Nazi salute and posting the video of said teaching is a hate crime.
Sometimes the law is an ass.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727/amp#ampshare=https://gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727
Political Correctness is going to kill us if we let it.
Sometimes people don't read entire articles. The guy said he trained
the dog to do a Nazi salute to bug his girlfriend, but he continued
posting it long after she saw it. He wanted it to be seen. And the
salute wasn't the only thing he taught the dog to do. He also taught
the dog to have a reaction whenever he hears the word 'Jew'. The guy
is an anti-Semite.
As atheists, we aren't against all religious people. We're against
what their religions can convince people to do against those who
don't believe as they do.
If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took it down
once his girlfriend saw it, I might have agreed with you, but he did
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the guy
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible.
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Harvard scholar Alan Dershowitz might have the answer.

“We are miseducating a whole generation of future leaders on our college campuses today. We are teaching them intolerance, we’re encouraging shutting down dissenting views,” Dershowitz, a constitutional law professor, said during a recent roundtable discussion. “I am terrified about [what happens] twenty or thirty years from now, when these young people who have been taught not to tolerate diverse views become our leaders.”
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It seems that teaching your dog to give Nazi salute and posting the video of said teaching is a hate crime.
Sometimes the law is an ass.
Sometimes people don't read entire articles. The guy said he trained
the dog to do a Nazi salute to bug his girlfriend, but he continued
posting it long after she saw it. He wanted it to be seen. And the
salute wasn't the only thing he taught the dog to do. He also taught
the dog to have a reaction whenever he hears the word 'Jew'. The guy
is an anti-Semite.
As atheists, we aren't against all religious people. We're against
their religions and what those religions can convince people to do
against those who don't believe as they do.
If the guy had just done the Nazi salute thing and then took it down
once his girlfriend saw it, might have agreed with you, but he did
more than enough to show it was deliberately bigoted and the guy
wanted it to be seen by as many people as possible.
I might have agreed with you.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Political Correctness is going to kill us if we let it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727/amp#ampshare=https://gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727
Freedom of speech.
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2018-03-24 07:59:33 UTC
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It seems that teaching your dog to give Nazi salute and posting the video of said teaching is a hate crime.
No, it's the freaking British! A nanny state.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Sometimes the law is an ass.
No, the nanny state is ALWAYS an ass! If it
every gets something right, it's an ass
that got something right.




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It seems that teaching your dog to give Nazi salute and posting the video of said teaching is a hate crime.
Sometimes the law is an ass.
Political Correctness is going to kill us if we let it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727/amp#ampshare=https://gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727
Fifty million people were killed in a war started by Nazis; memories (and
emotional responses) remain.

Grow up, dickhead.
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Fifty million people were killed in a war started by Nazis; memories (and
emotional responses) remain.

Grow up, dickhead.
______________

I am well aware of how evil the Nazis were.

That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be offended. It doesn't mean that what one thinks should be a crime.
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Fifty million people were killed in a war started by Nazis; memories
(and emotional responses) remain.
Grow up, dickhead. ______________
I am well aware of how evil the Nazis were.
That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be
offended. It doesn't mean that what one thinks should be a crime.
As a member of society, you have a moral responsibility not to offend
anyone. It's not about the law. It's about respecting your fellow
citizen and respecting yourself. When your own moral value doesn't help
you to understand this, the society you are living in has a
responsibility to teach you a lesson.

Now the lesson might be too harsh to make it a hate crime, but a more
appropriate lesson may still be needed.
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Fifty million people were killed in a war started by Nazis; memories
(and emotional responses) remain.
Grow up, dickhead. ______________
I am well aware of how evil the Nazis were.
That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be
offended. It doesn't mean that what one thinks should be a crime.
As a member of society, you have a moral responsibility not to offend
anyone.
Bullshit. If you want to be free from offense, lock
yourself in a padded cell. And especially, stay away
from the innernetz.
Post by aaa
It's not about the law.
A guy being convicted of a crime is not about the law?!?
Only from aaa...
Post by aaa
It's about respecting your fellow
citizen and respecting yourself. When your own moral value doesn't help
you to understand this, the society you are living in has a
responsibility to teach you a lesson.
Now the lesson might be too harsh to make it a hate crime, but a more
appropriate lesson may still be needed.
Respect is an amorphous thing. It can mean whatever the
indignant offendee wants it to mean.

You would surely be happier if you stay in China.
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Fifty million people were killed in a war started by Nazis;
memories (and emotional responses) remain.
Grow up, dickhead. ______________
I am well aware of how evil the Nazis were.
That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be
offended. It doesn't mean that what one thinks should be a
crime.
As a member of society, you have a moral responsibility not to
offend anyone.
Bullshit. If you want to be free from offense, lock yourself in a
padded cell. And especially, stay away from the innernetz.
No. As a member of civil society, everyone has the right not to be
insulted in his or her normal everyday life. The reason we choose to
live in a modern civil society is its guarantee for our freedom and
safety. This isn't about politics. This is the basic human right like
water and air. Your political freedom of speech is respected, but it
should not be at the cost of my basic human right not to be insulted
because I look funny. If you ignore my right not to be insulted, I can
disregard your freedom of speech in the exact same way.
Post by aaa
It's not about the law.
A guy being convicted of a crime is not about the law?!? Only from
aaa...
It certainly shouldn't be taken as a criminal offense. It should be a
civil disciplinary measure.
Post by aaa
It's about respecting your fellow citizen and respecting yourself.
When your own moral value doesn't help you to understand this, the
society you are living in has a responsibility to teach you a
lesson.
Now the lesson might be too harsh to make it a hate crime, but a
more appropriate lesson may still be needed.
Respect is an amorphous thing. It can mean whatever the indignant
offendee wants it to mean.
No, this has nothing to do with revenge from the other side. I'm not
taking side. I'm speaking as a member of society for everybody's interest.
You would surely be happier if you stay in China.
I'm a Canadian.
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Post by aaa
Post by !! Atheist ------------------------------
Fifty million people were killed in a war started by Nazis; memories
(and emotional responses) remain.
Grow up, dickhead. ______________
I am well aware of how evil the Nazis were.
That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be
offended. It doesn't mean that what one thinks should be a crime.
As a member of society, you have a moral responsibility not to offend
anyone.
Bullshit. If you want to be free from offense, lock yourself in a
padded cell. And especially, stay away from the innernetz.
No. As a member of civil society, everyone has the right not to be
insulted in his or her normal everyday life. The reason we choose to
live in a modern civil society is its guarantee for our freedom and
safety. This isn't about politics. This is the basic human right like
water and air. Your political freedom of speech is respected, but it
should not be at the cost of my basic human right not to be insulted
because I look funny. If you ignore my right not to be insulted, I can
disregard your freedom of speech in the exact same way.
Where would I find that supposed right enumerated?
It's not even in your book of magic spells.
Post by aaa
Post by aaa
It's not about the law.
A guy being convicted of a crime is not about the law?!? Only from
aaa...
It certainly shouldn't be taken as a criminal offense. It should be a
civil disciplinary measure.
Post by aaa
It's about respecting your fellow citizen and respecting yourself.
When your own moral value doesn't help you to understand this, the
society you are living in has a responsibility to teach you a lesson.
Now the lesson might be too harsh to make it a hate crime, but a more
appropriate lesson may still be needed.
Respect is an amorphous thing. It can mean whatever the indignant
offendee wants it to mean.
No, this has nothing to do with revenge from the other side. I'm not
taking side. I'm speaking as a member of society for everybody's interest.
You would surely be happier if you stay in China.
I'm a Canadian.
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You would surely be happier if you stay in China.
I'm a Canadian.
Gee, and I've always tended to think of Canadians as intelligent
people. Another sweet dream shattered.
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Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
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Post by Peter Pan
You would surely be happier if you stay in China.
I'm a Canadian.
Gee, and I've always tended to think of Canadians as intelligent people.
Another sweet dream shattered.
Most of them are, but there always has to be a few at the extreme bottom
of the bell curve. This one appears to be to the far left of zero.
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You would surely be happier if you stay in China.
I'm a Canadian.
Gee, and I've always tended to think of Canadians as intelligent people.
Another sweet dream shattered.
Most of them are, but there always has to be a few at the extreme bottom
of the bell curve. This one appears to be to the far left of zero.
When it comes to bell curves, he hardly qualifies as a sprue.
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aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
Kevrob
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Post by aaa
Post by Peter Pan
You would surely be happier if you stay in China.
I'm a Canadian.
Gee, and I've always tended to think of Canadians as intelligent people.
Another sweet dream shattered.
Most of them are, but there always has to be a few at the extreme bottom
of the bell curve. This one appears to be to the far left of zero.
Canada is a wonderful country, but they've gone even further down
the road of criminalizing free speech than the US has.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada

Kevin R
Alex W.
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You would surely be happier if you stay in China.
I'm a Canadian.
Gee, and I've always tended to think of Canadians as intelligent people.
Another sweet dream shattered.
Most of them are, but there always has to be a few at the extreme bottom
of the bell curve. This one appears to be to the far left of zero.
Canada is a wonderful country, but they've gone even further down
the road of criminalizing free speech than the US has.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada
The attitude to free speech does depend on a country's history and
culture. For instance, I find it entirely understandable and logical
that in Germany, denial of the holocaust should be a criminal offence
and not covered by freedom of speech.

It also depends on whether you are at the receiving end. Think of all
the words and expressions used against homosexuals or black people ...
and then imagine what that would do to you if you were referred to like
that every day.

And at the end of the day, it is, I suspect, an issue that simply cannot
be resolved by legislation. There is over-sensitivity by one side,
underappreciation of the impact by the other side. There are so many
ways in which anyone can identify themselves as part of a "victim"
group. Terms and usage change too rapidly for the law to keep up with:
think of the way in which "nigger" has changed, or "gay".

Most importantly, perhaps, this is an issue where the offence is not an
objective one and thus cannot ever be properly legislated. It is
determined in the victim's mind. Whether an offence is given and "hate"
is detected depends utterly on the context: who said it, who heard it,
what the relationship is between the two, what the given situation is.
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Most importantly, perhaps, this is an issue where the offence is not an
objective one and thus cannot ever be properly legislated. It is
determined in the victim's mind. Whether an offence is given and "hate"
is detected depends utterly on the context: who said it, who heard it,
what the relationship is between the two, what the given situation is.
Making it the court's job to prove a state of mind.
Like proving one is an atheist or a theist.
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Fifty million people were killed in a war started by Nazis; memories
(and emotional responses) remain.
Grow up, dickhead. ______________
I am well aware of how evil the Nazis were.
That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be
offended. It doesn't mean that what one thinks should be a crime.
As a member of society, you have a moral responsibility not to offend
anyone.
Bullshit. If you want to be free from offense, lock yourself in a
padded cell. And especially, stay away from the innernetz.
No. As a member of civil society, everyone has the right not to be
insulted in his or her normal everyday life. The reason we choose to
live in a modern civil society is its guarantee for our freedom and
safety. This isn't about politics. This is the basic human right like
water and air. Your political freedom of speech is respected, but it
should not be at the cost of my basic human right not to be insulted
because I look funny. If you ignore my right not to be insulted, I can
disregard your freedom of speech in the exact same way.
Where would I find that supposed right enumerated?
It's not even in your book of magic spells.
Such right is what you need for yourself when you find yourself in a
similar situation.
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It's not about the law.
A guy being convicted of a crime is not about the law?!? Only from
aaa...
It certainly shouldn't be taken as a criminal offense. It should be a
civil disciplinary measure.
Post by aaa
It's about respecting your fellow citizen and respecting yourself.
When your own moral value doesn't help you to understand this, the
society you are living in has a responsibility to teach you a lesson.
Now the lesson might be too harsh to make it a hate crime, but a more
appropriate lesson may still be needed.
Respect is an amorphous thing. It can mean whatever the indignant
offendee wants it to mean.
No, this has nothing to do with revenge from the other side. I'm not
taking side. I'm speaking as a member of society for everybody's interest.
You would surely be happier if you stay in China.
I'm a Canadian.
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Fifty million people were killed in a war started by Nazis;
memories (and emotional responses) remain.
Grow up, dickhead. ______________
I am well aware of how evil the Nazis were.
That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be
offended. It doesn't mean that what one thinks should be a crime.
As a member of society, you have a moral responsibility not to
offend anyone.
Bullshit. If you want to be free from offense, lock yourself in a
padded cell. And especially, stay away from the innernetz.
No. As a member of civil society, everyone has the right not to be
insulted in his or her normal everyday life. The reason we choose to
live in a modern civil society is its guarantee for our freedom and
safety. This isn't about politics. This is the basic human right like
water and air. Your political freedom of speech is respected, but it
should not be at the cost of my basic human right not to be insulted
because I look funny. If you ignore my right not to be insulted, I can
disregard your freedom of speech in the exact same way.
Where would I find that supposed right enumerated?
It's not even in your book of magic spells.
Such right is what you need for yourself when you find yourself in a
similar situation.
Whether I need it or not, it isn't a right, liar.
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Post by aaa
Post by aaa
It's not about the law.
A guy being convicted of a crime is not about the law?!? Only from
aaa...
It certainly shouldn't be taken as a criminal offense. It should be a
civil disciplinary measure.
Post by aaa
It's about respecting your fellow citizen and respecting yourself.
When your own moral value doesn't help you to understand this, the
society you are living in has a responsibility to teach you a lesson.
Now the lesson might be too harsh to make it a hate crime, but a
more appropriate lesson may still be needed.
Respect is an amorphous thing. It can mean whatever the indignant
offendee wants it to mean.
No, this has nothing to do with revenge from the other side. I'm not
taking side. I'm speaking as a member of society for everybody's interest.
You would surely be happier if you stay in China.
I'm a Canadian.
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Fifty million people were killed in a war started by Nazis;
memories (and emotional responses) remain.
Grow up, dickhead. ______________
I am well aware of how evil the Nazis were.
That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be
offended. It doesn't mean that what one thinks should be a crime.
As a member of society, you have a moral responsibility not to
offend anyone.
Bullshit. If you want to be free from offense, lock yourself in a
padded cell. And especially, stay away from the innernetz.
No. As a member of civil society, everyone has the right not to be
insulted in his or her normal everyday life. The reason we choose to
live in a modern civil society is its guarantee for our freedom and
safety. This isn't about politics. This is the basic human right like
water and air. Your political freedom of speech is respected, but it
should not be at the cost of my basic human right not to be insulted
because I look funny. If you ignore my right not to be insulted, I can
disregard your freedom of speech in the exact same way.
Where would I find that supposed right enumerated?
It's not even in your book of magic spells.
Such right is what you need for yourself when you find yourself in a
similar situation.
Whether I need it or not, it isn't a right, liar.
Your own personal need not to be insulted has made it a right. Prove
yourself the doormat that can be ridiculed by everyone, then I will
reconsider your position.
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Post by Smiler
Post by aaa
Post by aaa
It's not about the law.
A guy being convicted of a crime is not about the law?!? Only from
aaa...
It certainly shouldn't be taken as a criminal offense. It should be a
civil disciplinary measure.
Post by aaa
It's about respecting your fellow citizen and respecting yourself.
When your own moral value doesn't help you to understand this, the
society you are living in has a responsibility to teach you a lesson.
Now the lesson might be too harsh to make it a hate crime, but a
more appropriate lesson may still be needed.
Respect is an amorphous thing. It can mean whatever the indignant
offendee wants it to mean.
No, this has nothing to do with revenge from the other side. I'm not
taking side. I'm speaking as a member of society for everybody's interest.
You would surely be happier if you stay in China.
I'm a Canadian.
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Fifty million people were killed in a war started by Nazis;
memories (and emotional responses) remain.
Grow up, dickhead. ______________
I am well aware of how evil the Nazis were.
That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be
offended. It doesn't mean that what one thinks should be a crime.
As a member of society, you have a moral responsibility not to
offend anyone.
Bullshit. If you want to be free from offense, lock yourself in a
padded cell. And especially, stay away from the innernetz.
No. As a member of civil society, everyone has the right not to be
insulted in his or her normal everyday life. The reason we choose to
live in a modern civil society is its guarantee for our freedom and
safety. This isn't about politics. This is the basic human right
like water and air. Your political freedom of speech is respected,
but it should not be at the cost of my basic human right not to be
insulted because I look funny. If you ignore my right not to be
insulted, I can disregard your freedom of speech in the exact same
way.
Where would I find that supposed right enumerated?
It's not even in your book of magic spells.
Such right is what you need for yourself when you find yourself in a
similar situation.
Whether I need it or not, it isn't a right, liar.
Your own personal need not to be insulted has made it a right. Prove
yourself the doormat that can be ridiculed by everyone,
Like you are? No way.
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then I will reconsider your position.
GFY.
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Fifty million people were killed in a war started by
Nazis; memories (and emotional responses) remain.
Grow up, dickhead. ______________
I am well aware of how evil the Nazis were.
That does not change the fact that there is no right
to not be offended. It doesn't mean that what one
thinks should be a crime.
As a member of society, you have a moral responsibility
not to offend anyone.
Bullshit. If you want to be free from offense, lock
yourself in a padded cell. And especially, stay away
from the innernetz.
No. As a member of civil society, everyone has the right
not to be insulted in his or her normal everyday life. The
reason we choose to live in a modern civil society is its
guarantee for our freedom and safety. This isn't about
politics. This is the basic human right like water and air.
Your political freedom of speech is respected, but it
should not be at the cost of my basic human right not to
be insulted because I look funny. If you ignore my right
not to be insulted, I can disregard your freedom of speech
in the exact same way.
Where would I find that supposed right enumerated? It's not
even in your book of magic spells.
Such right is what you need for yourself when you find yourself
in a similar situation.
Whether I need it or not, it isn't a right, liar.
Your own personal need not to be insulted has made it a right.
Prove yourself the doormat that can be ridiculed by everyone,
Like you are? No way.
Then you have just made it a right.
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then I will reconsider your position.
GFY.
Never going to happen.
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That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be offended.
If you wear a Nazi armband in public, expect to have your ass kicked.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be offended.
If you wear a Nazi armband in public, expect to have your ass kicked.
_____________________

Allowing people to express their political views is the reaso for free speech. We want to be able to allow stupidity to be shown for what is.

I find it much more appropriate to laugh at them. Then they know I'm not buying it and unless they attack me nobody gets hurt.

I expect people who see swastikas to get upset. Anybody who doesn't understand by now what kind of ghastly monsters the Nazis were and are is unlikely to beaten into submission.

I oppose the use of force other than in self-defense.

Count Dankula put up a video of something he thought was funny.
It was not a Nazi call to arms or an invitation to violate anyone's rights.

That he could actually be jailed for it is insane.
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That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be offended.
If you wear a Nazi armband in public, expect to have your ass kicked.
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Allowing people to express their political views is the reaso for free speech.
You clearly don't know what Nazis stand for (advocate and have done).

It's not mere politics to advocate rounding up all members of one
religion as subhumans and deporting them to slave or death camps.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be offended.
If you wear a Nazi armband in public, expect to have your ass kicked.
_____________________
Allowing people to express their political views is the reaso for free speech.
You clearly don't know what Nazis stand for (advocate and have done).

It's not mere politics to advocate rounding up all members of one
religion as subhumans and deporting them to slave or death camps.
- show quoted text -

Of course I know what the Nazis stand for. Political speech is what the first amendment is all about. It's actions that are criminal, not speech, unless the speech is also an action as in burning the flag.

Certainly this Count Dankula is not advocating Nazism or persecution of Jews.

I predict he will appeal and win.
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That does not change the fact that there is no right to not be offended.
If you wear a Nazi armband in public, expect to have your ass kicked.
_____________________
Allowing people to express their political views is the reaso for free speech.
You clearly don't know what Nazis stand for (advocate and have done).
It's not mere politics to advocate rounding up all members of one
religion as subhumans and deporting them to slave or death camps.
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Political speech is what the first amendment is all about.
Nazi speech had consequences; people fear a repeat.
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Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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Nazi speech had consequences; people fear a repeat.
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We do have laws against speech that advocates the overthrow of the government by force or violence as I recall.

We have Nazi speech occurring everyday.

It doesn't convince enough people to pose a threat. Personal freedom is too great an inducement away from such tyranny and stupity.

Plus it failed the first time.
Looks bad on a resume´.

If we let them speak then we know who they are. Letting them speak doesn't mean we shouldn't keep an eye on them.
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Nazi speech had consequences; people fear a repeat.
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Letting them speak doesn't mean we shouldn't keep an eye on them.
You'll "keep an eye on them" right up to when the crematoriums are started.
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Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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Nazi speech had consequences; people fear a repeat. - hide quoted text -
Letting them speak doesn't mean we shouldn't keep an eye on them.
You'll "keep an eye on them" right up to when the crematoriums are started.
Cloud Hobbit is 60+ years old but in these "free speech" and other
libertarian issues he has the intellect of a seventh grader.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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Cloud Hobbit is 60+ years old but in these "free speech" and other
libertarian issues he has the intellect of a seventh grader.
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Because I believe that we should follow the Constitution?

The rule of law has served us well. It was designed to be slow and deliberate.
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Cloud Hobbit is 60+ years old but in these "free speech" and other
libertarian issues he has the intellect of a seventh grader.
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Because I believe that we should follow the Constitution?
The rule of law has served us well. It was designed to be slow and deliberate.
You advocate for Nazis and can't grasp that no government anywhere has
ever allowed your concept of free speech; at minimum we protect against
"incitement to riot" or "disturbing the peace"; you're either feigning
naivety or you're a Nazi sympatizer.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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You advocate for Nazis and can't grasp that no government anywhere has
ever allowed your concept of free speech; at minimum we protect against
"incitement to riot" or "disturbing the peace"; you're either feigning
naivety or you're a Nazi sympatizer.
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I've already talked about limits on speech such as yelling fire in a crowded theatre. I'm talking about political speech which is the main reason for the first amendment. Political speech being punished in the countries where the founders came from was something they wanted to protect.

I'm as far from a Nazi sympathizer as it is possible to be and I'm far from naive.

We have forces at work at any given time that follow and infiltrate those whose speech could be considered dangerous.
But we don't stop the speech we punish the actions.
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You advocate for Nazis and can't grasp that no government anywhere has
ever allowed your concept of free speech; at minimum we protect against
"incitement to riot" or "disturbing the peace"; you're either feigning
naivety or you're a Nazi sympathizer.
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But we don't stop the speech we punish the actions.
Nazis have already done "actions" (50 million dead); you advocate "let
bygones be bygones" and allow Nazis to re-organize.
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Nazis have already done "actions" (50 million dead); you advocate "let
bygones be bygones" and allow Nazis to re-organize.
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I only advocate that all political speech that is not advocating the violent overthrow of the government be allowed to speak. It's the best way to see how good or bad their ideas may be.

There is no sign anywhere that Nazism is undergoing a resurgence or that there is any reason to fear that they ever will again.

But we do keep an eye on their activities to make sure that they aren't undertaking such action.

Allowing unpopular speech is one of the key components of a free society.

The whole purpose of free speech is to let everyone know what they stand for and allow free people to make up their own minds.
It's also the reason that people like David Duke will never be in the white house.
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Nazis have already done "actions" (50 million dead); you advocate "let
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I only advocate that all political speech that is not advocating the violent overthrow of the government be allowed to speak. It's the best way to see how good or bad their ideas may be.
We've already seen how good Nazi ideas are; Nazis advocate violence and
you advocate giving them another chance. It's not a free-speech/new-idea issue.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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We've already seen how good Nazi ideas are; Nazis advocate violence and
you advocate giving them another chance. It's not a free-speech/new-idea issue.
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Where did I advocate giving the another chance?

All ideas tend to change and evolve, but the evil of Nazism left a very bad taste and allowing them to speak is an excellent reminder of why that is.

I'm not afraid of Nazism, because I don't believe any country in the world would be stupid enough for them to say let's give it another try.

For every Nazi voice there are 10 thousand speaking or willing to speak in opposition.

The minute you prohibit speech you make it more desirable. What are they hiding and why?

There is no real upside to limiting speech and Nazis were firm believers in doing just that.
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We've already seen how good Nazi ideas are; Nazis advocate violence and
you advocate giving them another chance. It's not a free-speech/new-idea issue.
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Where did I advocate giving Nazis another chance?
Nazi rheteric and history reasonably excludes allowing them "free speech" re-organizing.
Advocating racism and genocide is not a free speech issue; there are limits.
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We've already seen how good Nazi ideas are; Nazis advocate violence and
you advocate giving them another chance. It's not a free-speech/new-idea issue.
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Where did I advocate giving the another chance?
All ideas tend to change and evolve, but the evil of Nazism left a very bad taste and allowing them to speak is an excellent reminder of why that is.
I'm not afraid of Nazism, because I don't believe any country in the world would be stupid enough for them to say let's give it another try.
No, not wearing swastikas and committing genocide, but I don't think
the days of totalitarianism are numbered.
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For every Nazi voice there are 10 thousand speaking or willing to speak in opposition.
The minute you prohibit speech you make it more desirable. What are they hiding and why?
'I'm one of the few who knows the real truth. It's my duty to take
action.'
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There is no real upside to limiting speech and Nazis were firm believers in doing just that.
And they could teach Trump a thing or two about 'fake news'.
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We've already seen how good Nazi ideas are; Nazis advocate violence and
you advocate giving them another chance. It's not a free-speech/new-idea issue.
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Where did I advocate giving the another chance?
All ideas tend to change and evolve, but the evil of Nazism left a very bad taste and allowing them to speak is an excellent reminder of why that is.
I'm not afraid of Nazism, because I don't believe any country in the world would be stupid enough for them to say let's give it another try.
For every Nazi voice there are 10 thousand speaking or willing to speak in opposition.
Not in, for example, Austria.

The race fascist party looks like getting elected again
in Hungary, too.

And of course the number isn't anything like ten thousand
to one anywhere. Even in Israel.
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For every Nazi voice there are 10 thousand speaking or willing to speak in opposition.

Not in, for example, Austria.

The race fascist party looks like getting elected again
in Hungary, too.

___________________

In the end such ideology always fail. Not much comfort for those directly affected but still inevitable.
______________________
And of course the number isn't anything like ten thousand
to one anywhere. Even in Israel.
________________

Still more nonfascists than fascists.

Any political ideology that runs contrary to what humans require always fails, always have and always will.

As long as they don't get rid of the right to a fair election process people will get the message that fascism does not work.
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We've already seen how good Nazi ideas are; Nazis advocate violence and
you advocate giving them another chance. It's not a free-speech/new-idea issue.
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Where did I advocate giving the another chance?
All ideas tend to change and evolve, but the evil of Nazism left a very bad taste and allowing them to speak is an excellent reminder of why that is.
I'm not afraid of Nazism, because I don't believe any country in the world would be stupid enough for them to say let's give it another try.
For every Nazi voice there are 10 thousand speaking or willing to speak in opposition.
Not in, for example, Austria.
The race fascist party looks like getting elected again
in Hungary, too.
And Poland.
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And of course the number isn't anything like ten thousand
to one anywhere. Even in Israel.
Where they have Kosher fascists.
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We've already seen how good Nazi ideas are; Nazis advocate violence and
you advocate giving them another chance. It's not a free-speech/new-idea issue.
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Where did I advocate giving the another chance?
All ideas tend to change and evolve, but the evil of Nazism left a very bad taste and allowing them to speak is an excellent reminder of why that is.
I'm not afraid of Nazism, because I don't believe any country in the world would be stupid enough for them to say let's give it another try.
For every Nazi voice there are 10 thousand speaking or willing to speak in opposition.
Not in, for example, Austria.
The race fascist party looks like getting elected again
in Hungary, too.
And Poland.
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And of course the number isn't anything like ten thousand
to one anywhere. Even in Israel.
Where they have Kosher fascists.
And Halal Nazis on the other side of the border.
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 13:07:21 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
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We've already seen how good Nazi ideas are; Nazis advocate violence and
you advocate giving them another chance. It's not a free-speech/new-idea issue.
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Where did I advocate giving the another chance?
All ideas tend to change and evolve, but the evil of Nazism left a very bad taste and allowing them to speak is an excellent reminder of why that is.
I'm not afraid of Nazism, because I don't believe any country in the world would be stupid enough for them to say let's give it another try.
For every Nazi voice there are 10 thousand speaking or willing to speak in opposition.
Not in, for example, Austria.
The race fascist party looks like getting elected again
in Hungary, too.
And Poland.
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And of course the number isn't anything like ten thousand
to one anywhere. Even in Israel.
Where they have Kosher fascists.
And Halal Nazis on the other side of the border.
Must be tough to goose step while wearing a dish dash.
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Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
Gospel TT
2018-03-31 23:30:56 UTC
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 13:10:59 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
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Cloud Hobbit is 60+ years old but in these "free speech" and other
libertarian issues he has the intellect of a seventh grader.
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Because I believe that we should follow the Constitution?
The rule of law has served us well. It was designed to be slow and deliberate.
Who said that about you? You need to dump Google
Street
2018-03-24 20:55:52 UTC
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It seems that teaching your dog to give Nazi salute and posting the
video of said teaching is a hate crime.
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Sometimes the law is an ass.
Political Correctness is going to kill us if we let it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727/amp#ampshare=https://gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727
Fifty million people were killed in a war started by Nazis; memories (and
emotional responses) remain.
Grow up, dickhead.
Gawd you're dumb! Ain't no skin off my ass, though. Stay stupid.

But just a word of friendly advice: Move to Iran. You'll feel more at home
there.
Robert Carnegie
2018-03-25 12:49:53 UTC
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It seems that teaching your dog to give Nazi salute and posting the video of said teaching is a hate crime.
Sometimes the law is an ass.
Political Correctness is going to kill us if we let it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727/amp#ampshare=https://gizmodo.com/youtuber-count-dankula-convicted-of-hate-crime-for-vide-1823951727
Nazis were and still are rather unpopular in Scotland.
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