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2017-11-14 13:01:58 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests were even accused of molestation.
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2017-11-14 13:40:00 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?

2) Given all the publicity about priests getting caught
diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?






Catholic Priest is sentenced to double life in
prison for rape of minor girl.
Dec 9 2016
http://tinyurl.com/go7umnd




Jury finds priest guilty of sexual contact with girl
June 28, 2016
http://www.nj.com/passaic-
county/index.ssf/2016/06/passaic_priest_found_guilty_of_molesting_teen.ht
ml




Italian priest arrested for molesting boy
June 15 2016
http://www.newkerala.com/news/2016/fullnews-77349.html




Priest arrested for sexual abuse
14 June 2016
http://tinyurl.com/zf44wh9




Priest confesses to sexually abusing 12-year-old
September 10, 2015
http://tinyurl.com/nn3n8q7



Priest pleads guilty to sexual assault of a minor in Minnesota
May 23, 2015
http://tinyurl.com/ouxsmtw



Priest pleads guilty to child exploitation charges
June 9, 2015
http://tinyurl.com/o62ddet
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2017-11-14 13:48:47 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Their vow of celibacy. Imams and rabbis can marry. RCC priests cannot.
Didn't you know that?
Mitchell Holman
2017-11-14 17:49:54 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Their vow of celibacy. Imams and rabbis can marry. RCC priests cannot.
Didn't you know that?
The point you made was not about the cause of
the problem, but the extent of the problem.

Fact is it priests who lead the pack when
it comes to pedophile attacks on children.
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2017-11-14 18:59:56 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Their vow of celibacy. Imams and rabbis can marry. RCC priests cannot.
Didn't you know that?
The point you made was not about the cause of
the problem, but the extent of the problem.
Fact is it priests who lead the pack when
it comes to pedophile attacks on children.
The point is humans have sexual needs. If you repress them, they will find other outlets. You can't be that stupid.
Ted
2017-11-14 19:03:00 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Their vow of celibacy. Imams and rabbis can marry. RCC priests cannot.
Didn't you know that?
The point you made was not about the cause of
the problem, but the extent of the problem.
Fact is it priests who lead the pack when
it comes to pedophile attacks on children.
The point is humans have sexual needs. If you repress them, they will find other outlets. You can't be that stupid.
That's why God gave us each a right hand.
John Locke
2017-11-14 20:15:08 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Their vow of celibacy. Imams and rabbis can marry. RCC priests cannot.
Didn't you know that?
The point you made was not about the cause of
the problem, but the extent of the problem.
Fact is it priests who lead the pack when
it comes to pedophile attacks on children.
The point is humans have sexual needs. If you repress them, they will find other outlets. You can't be that stupid.
That's why God gave us each a right hand.
...maybe Arty is left handed. That could explain a lot
of his frustration.
Ted
2017-11-18 21:51:16 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Their vow of celibacy. Imams and rabbis can marry. RCC priests cannot.
Didn't you know that?
The point you made was not about the cause of
the problem, but the extent of the problem.
Fact is it priests who lead the pack when
it comes to pedophile attacks on children.
The point is humans have sexual needs. If you repress them, they will find other outlets. You can't be that stupid.
That's why God gave us each a right hand.
...maybe Arty is left handed. That could explain a lot
of his frustration.
LOL. Good call.
Yap Honghor
2017-11-15 01:11:06 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Their vow of celibacy. Imams and rabbis can marry. RCC priests cannot.
Didn't you know that?
The point you made was not about the cause of
the problem, but the extent of the problem.
Fact is it priests who lead the pack when
it comes to pedophile attacks on children.
The point is humans have sexual needs. If you repress them, they will find other outlets. You can't be that stupid.
Since you are alone for a long time, does it mean that your have committed your part of crime without being caught???????????????????????
Jeanne Douglas
2017-11-15 00:32:21 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Their vow of celibacy. Imams and rabbis can marry. RCC priests cannot.
Didn't you know that?
What the hell does marriage have to do with pedophila. The men raping their daughters and step-daughters (the vast majority of pedophile crimes) are married and it didn't stop them.
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2017-11-15 01:09:08 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Their vow of celibacy. Imams and rabbis can marry. RCC priests cannot.
Didn't you know that?
Just lame excuse....
If they could not keep their vow, they should excuse themselves and return to become normal people!
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2017-11-15 11:46:59 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Their vow of celibacy. Imams and rabbis can marry. RCC priests cannot.
Didn't you know that?
Just lame excuse....
If they could not keep their vow, they should excuse themselves and return to become normal people!
Exactly.

Using that excuse is truly vile.
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2017-11-14 22:51:16 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general population.
That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
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2) Given all the publicity about priests getting caught
diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
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2017-11-15 03:02:53 UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=John_Jay_Report
The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general population.
That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
Fags - including the priest who attack girls?



Rev. Kelley says he abused dozens of young girls
Saturday, May 11, 2002
http://tinyurl.com/opulxev


Priest sentenced for molesting girl, 11
Feb 18 2011
http://tinyurl.com/qzlusmx


Priest sentenced for molesting girls
May 1, 2015
http://tinyurl.com/ostnvuc



Priest had record of molesting girls
July 3, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/npdf43u



Priest having sex with 16-year-old altar girl
Mar 22, 2015
http://tinyurl.com/npv2nt9



Davis priest arrested sexually abusing teen girl
05/10/2014
http://tinyurl.com/napqnde



LI priest accused of molesting, giving 6-year-old girl STD
SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
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2) Given all the publicity about priests getting caught
diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf


Priest charged with sexually abusing 10-year-old boy
Jul 25, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/y97oatow
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2017-11-15 04:51:29 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general population.
That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
Fags - including the priest who attack girls?
Do you fags attack girls also?
Post by Mitchell Holman
LI priest accused of molesting, giving 6-year-old girl STD
SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
One of them "cans".... Rev. Augusto Cortez, 50,
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2) Given all the publicity about priests getting caught
diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf
Your ref states: Nurek came to the U.S. in 2015 from Poland,
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Priest charged with sexually abusing 10-year-old boy
Jul 25, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/y97oatow
Your ref states: the sexual assault took place during the 1991-92
school year.
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2017-11-15 13:09:06 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general population.
That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
Fags - including the priest who attack girls?
Do you fags attack girls also?
Post by Mitchell Holman
LI priest accused of molesting, giving 6-year-old girl STD
SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
One of them "cans".... Rev. Augusto Cortez, 50,
Like your current pope?
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2) Given all the publicity about priests getting caught
diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf
Your ref states: Nurek came to the U.S. in 2015 from Poland,
Like your favorite pope?
Patrick
2017-11-15 19:22:58 UTC
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC
priests
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were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general population.
That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
Fags - including the priest who attack girls?
Do you fags attack girls also?
Post by Mitchell Holman
LI priest accused of molesting, giving 6-year-old girl STD
SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
One of them "cans".... Rev. Augusto Cortez, 50,
Like your current pope?
Is he a "can?"
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2) Given all the publicity about priests getting caught
diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf
Your ref states: Nurek came to the U.S. in 2015 from Poland,
Like your favorite pope?
I thought he was a "can."
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC
priests
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were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general population.
That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
Fags - including the priest who attack girls?
Do you fags attack girls also?
Post by Mitchell Holman
LI priest accused of molesting, giving 6-year-old girl STD
SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
One of them "cans".... Rev. Augusto Cortez, 50,
Like your current pope?
Is he a "can?"
From Chile, a South American.
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2) Given all the publicity about priests getting caught
diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf
Your ref states: Nurek came to the U.S. in 2015 from Poland,
Like your favorite pope?
I thought he was a "can."
Your favorite pope (John Paul II)
was also from Polnd, remember?
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC
priests
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were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general population.
That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
Fags - including the priest who attack girls?
Do you fags attack girls also?
Post by Mitchell Holman
LI priest accused of molesting, giving 6-year-old girl STD
SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
One of them "cans".... Rev. Augusto Cortez, 50,
Like your current pope?
Is he a "can?"
From Chile, a South American.
If I am from North America, am I also considered a can?
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2) Given all the publicity about priests getting caught
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diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf
Your ref states: Nurek came to the U.S. in 2015 from Poland,
Like your favorite pope?
I thought he was a "can."
Your favorite pope (John Paul II)
was also from Polnd, remember?
Was he my favorite?

There were several real important encyclicals written by some pretty
good popes (including JP2).

Rerum Novarum, Leo XIII 1891: This encyclical is the foundation of all
modern Catholic social teaching. Rerum Novarum sought a Christian
basis for property rights in the fact that man is created in the image
of God. But it also called out greedy industrialists for abusing
workers and affirmed the right of the state to intervene on their
behalf. At a time of great social upheaval, the encyclical thus
sketched out a uniquely Catholic response to the challenges of worker
rights, urbanization, industrialization—avoiding the extremes of both
socialism and laissez faire capitalism.

Providentissimus Deus drew a battle line against modernism: Leo XIII
declared that it is inconsistent to say that the Bible has errors and
was still divinely inspired. Without taking an anti-scientific stance,
the pope affirmed an uncompromising doctrine of inerrancy against
those who claimed the Bible is only without error in narrow matters of
faith and morals. Catholic biblical theology has never been the same
since.

Pascendi Dominici Gregis, Pius X 1907: In this encyclical, the
Catholic Church declared war on modernism. Pius X issued a wholesale
condemnation of the cultural trend, particularly its tendencies
towards individualism, agnosticism, and relativism.

Pacem in Terris, John XXIII 1963: Issued months after the Cuban
missile crisis, Pacem in Terris sounded an urgent call for peace,
based on a broad Christian vision of divine order, human rights, and
the common good. Pacem in Terris had an immediate impact: the New York
Times printed the full text and President John F. Kennedy praised it.

Redemptor Hominis, John Paul II 1979: His first encyclical, Redemptor
Hominis laid out John Paul II’s agenda for the rest of his papacy. In
particular, it set the stage for his confrontation with communism,
rooted in John Paul II’s emphasis on the dignity of the human person
and his personal encounter with Christ.

Evangelium Vitae, John Paul II 1995: Another leading candidate for his
most important encyclical, Evangelium Vitae issues a strong call for a
culture of life and reaffirms the Catholic teaching on abortion,
euthanasia, and contraception.
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC
priests
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were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general
population.
Post by Patrick
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That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
Fags - including the priest who attack girls?
Do you fags attack girls also?
Post by Mitchell Holman
LI priest accused of molesting, giving 6-year-old girl STD
SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
One of them "cans".... Rev. Augusto Cortez, 50,
Like your current pope?
Is he a "can?"
From Chile, a South American.
If I am from North America, am I also considered a can?
This is your disparaging term, you tell us.
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2) Given all the publicity about priests getting caught
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diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf
Your ref states: Nurek came to the U.S. in 2015 from Poland,
Like your favorite pope?
I thought he was a "can."
Your favorite pope (John Paul II)
was also from Polnd, remember?
Was he my favorite?
He was your pope, no?
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC
priests
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were even accused of molestation.
1) A number that dwarfs the percent of imams and rabbis
and swamis and preachers. What is it about Catholic
priests that puts them in the forefront of molestation
cases?
Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general
population.
Post by Patrick
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That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
Fags - including the priest who attack girls?
Do you fags attack girls also?
Post by Mitchell Holman
LI priest accused of molesting, giving 6-year-old girl STD
SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
One of them "cans".... Rev. Augusto Cortez, 50,
Like your current pope?
Is he a "can?"
From Chile, a South American.
If I am from North America, am I also considered a can?
This is your disparaging term, you tell us.
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2) Given all the publicity about priests getting caught
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diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf
Your ref states: Nurek came to the U.S. in 2015 from Poland,
Like your favorite pope?
I thought he was a "can."
Your favorite pope (John Paul II)
was also from Polnd, remember?
Was he my favorite?
He was your pope, no?
Yup.
Why?
And why did you say he was my favorite pope?
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Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general
population.
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That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
Fags - including the priest who attack girls?
Do you fags attack girls also?
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LI priest accused of molesting, giving 6-year-old girl STD
SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
One of them "cans".... Rev. Augusto Cortez, 50,
Like your current pope?
Is he a "can?"
From Chile, a South American.
If I am from North America, am I also considered a can?
This is your disparaging term, you tell us.
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diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf
Your ref states: Nurek came to the U.S. in 2015 from Poland,
Like your favorite pope?
I thought he was a "can."
Your favorite pope (John Paul II)
was also from Polnd, remember?
Was he my favorite?
He was your pope, no?
Yup.
Why?
And why did you say he was my favorite pope?
Patrick and some of his fellow Catholics will go to great lengths to
defend RCC Pedophile priest. Careful saying pedophile priest are bad
is a form of bigotry to his group.
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Some studies claim that priests in the Catholic Church may not be any more likely than other men to commit abuse.[11][14][15][16] In addition, the studies claim that the rate of abuse by priests had fallen sharply in the last twenty to thirty years, and that some 75% of the allegations in the United States were of abuse between 1960 and 1984.[11] However, the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse found that the average time it took between a victim of Catholic sexual abuse being abused and reporting it, or seeking redress, is 33 years.[17] For this reason there is insufficient data to be able to accurately ascertain current rates of child sex abuse, or to claim that abuse in the Catholic Church has fallen in recent decades. The Commission revealed 7% of Australian priests between 1950–2009 were accused of abusing children, and that one Catholic order had 40.4% of their non-ordained members with allegations against them in this period.[18][17]
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Some studies claim that priests in the Catholic Church may not be any more likely than other men to commit abuse.[11][14][15][16] In addition, the studies claim that the rate of abuse by priests had fallen sharply in the last twenty to thirty years, and that some 75% of the allegations in the United States were of abuse between 1960 and 1984.[11] However, the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse found that the average time it took between a victim of Catholic sexual abuse being abused and reporting it, or seeking redress, is 33 years.[17] For this reason there is insufficient data to be able to accurately ascertain current rates of child sex abuse, or to claim that abuse in the Catholic Church has fallen in recent decades. The Commission revealed 7% of Australian priests between 1950–2009 were accused of abusing children, and that one Catholic order had 40.4% of their non-ordained members with allegations against them in this period.[18][17]
40.4%?
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Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general
population.
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That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
Fags - including the priest who attack girls?
Do you fags attack girls also?
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LI priest accused of molesting, giving 6-year-old girl STD
SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
One of them "cans".... Rev. Augusto Cortez, 50,
Like your current pope?
Is he a "can?"
From Chile, a South American.
If I am from North America, am I also considered a can?
This is your disparaging term, you tell us.
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diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf
Your ref states: Nurek came to the U.S. in 2015 from Poland,
Like your favorite pope?
I thought he was a "can."
Your favorite pope (John Paul II)
was also from Polnd, remember?
Was he my favorite?
He was your pope, no?
Yup.
Why?
And why did you say he was my favorite pope?
Patrick and some of his fellow Catholics will go to great lengths to
defend RCC Pedophile priest. Careful saying pedophile priest are bad
is a form of bigotry to his group.
I thought we were discussing favorite popes.
Shaddup, larry.
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were even accused of molestation.
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Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general
population.
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That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
Fags - including the priest who attack girls?
Do you fags attack girls also?
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LI priest accused of molesting, giving 6-year-old girl STD
SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
One of them "cans".... Rev. Augusto Cortez, 50,
Like your current pope?
Is he a "can?"
From Chile, a South American.
If I am from North America, am I also considered a can?
This is your disparaging term, you tell us.
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diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf
Your ref states: Nurek came to the U.S. in 2015 from Poland,
Like your favorite pope?
I thought he was a "can."
Your favorite pope (John Paul II)
was also from Polnd, remember?
Was he my favorite?
He was your pope, no?
Yup.
Why?
And why did you say he was my favorite pope?
Patrick and some of his fellow Catholics will go to great lengths to
defend RCC Pedophile priest. Careful saying pedophile priest are bad
is a form of bigotry to his group.
I thought we were discussing favorite popes.
I do not have a favorite Pope or do I have any respect for the current
ass holding that office. I mean to make Junipero Serra a man that
committed Genocide of Native Americans a Saint. How sickening and how
that shows the true values of the RCC.
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Shaddup, larry.
Don't know Larry.
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Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general
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LI priest accused of molesting, giving 6-year-old girl STD
SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
One of them "cans".... Rev. Augusto Cortez, 50,
Like your current pope?
Is he a "can?"
From Chile, a South American.
If I am from North America, am I also considered a can?
This is your disparaging term, you tell us.
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diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf
Your ref states: Nurek came to the U.S. in 2015 from Poland,
Like your favorite pope?
I thought he was a "can."
Your favorite pope (John Paul II)
was also from Polnd, remember?
Was he my favorite?
He was your pope, no?
Yup.
Why?
And why did you say he was my favorite pope?
Patrick and some of his fellow Catholics will go to great lengths to
defend RCC Pedophile priest. Careful saying pedophile priest are bad
is a form of bigotry to his group.
I thought we were discussing favorite popes.
I do not have a favorite Pope
Then why did you jump into the conversation?
Haven't I given you enough attention today?

shaddup, larry.
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SEPTEMBER 24, 2014
http://tinyurl.com/psc8ac7
One of them "cans".... Rev. Augusto Cortez, 50,
Like your current pope?
Is he a "can?"
From Chile, a South American.
If I am from North America, am I also considered a can?
This is your disparaging term, you tell us.
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diddling children why are so many STILL doing it?
They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
Newly ordained priest arrested for alleged sexual abuse
AUGUST 8, 2017
http://tinyurl.com/ycx7rbvf
Your ref states: Nurek came to the U.S. in 2015 from Poland,
Like your favorite pope?
I thought he was a "can."
Your favorite pope (John Paul II)
was also from Polnd, remember?
Was he my favorite?
He was your pope, no?
Yup.
Why?
And why did you say he was my favorite pope?
Patrick and some of his fellow Catholics will go to great lengths to
defend RCC Pedophile priest. Careful saying pedophile priest are bad
is a form of bigotry to his group.
I thought we were discussing favorite popes.
I do not have a favorite Pope
Then why did you jump into the conversation?
I chose to.
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Haven't I given you enough attention today?
shaddup, larry.
No Larry here.
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Catholic priests abused the same amount as the general population.
That was when we allowed you fags into the ministry.
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They are still diddling children?
Are you sure/
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
The very studies clearly state that it's a man problem, not a Priest problem.

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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
The very studies clearly state that it's a man problem, not a Priest problem.
So stop ordaining men, problem solved.
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
The very studies clearly state that it's a man problem, not a Priest problem.
So stop ordaining men, problem solved.
It's also not a Priest problem, but men in general


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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
The very studies clearly state that it's a man problem, not a Priest problem.
So stop ordaining men, problem solved.
It's also not a Priest problem, but men in general
I tried to explain to Mitchie that RCC priests take a vow of celibacy and the repressed sexual needs that all men have will find another outlet.He didn't get it.
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests
were even accused of molestation.
The very studies clearly state that it's a man problem, not a Priest problem.
So stop ordaining men, problem solved.
It's also not a Priest problem, but men in general
I tried to explain to Mitchie that RCC priests take a vow of celibacy and the repressed sexual needs that all men have will find another outlet.He didn't get it.
If a man think he can be a superman, what do you think of the consequence when he starts to jump (fly) from a tall building??????

The teaching of your religious bullshits leads to insanity, not sexual problem!
It defies nature when you try to suppress essential human needs........
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Only 4% accused?

That still leaves 3% that have not been accused but have still abused children.

There are on average 7% of priests who commit acts of abuse.
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Only 4% accused?
That still leaves 3% that have not been accused but have still abused children.
There are on average 7% of priests who commit acts of abuse.
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A hypocrite would be someone who lies but expects everybody else to be truthful.
You have a major problem understanding YOU need to tell the truth so you won't be a target for derision. Not that you seem to care.
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That still leaves 3% that have not been accused but have still abused children.
There are on average 7% of priests who commit acts of abuse.
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A hypocrite would be someone who lies but expects everybody else to be truthful.
You have a major problem understanding YOU need to tell the truth so you won't be a target for derision. Not that you seem to care.
https://tinyurl.com/yaycgmwz
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That still leaves 3% that have not been accused but have still abused children.
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A hypocrite would be someone who lies but expects everybody else to be truthful.
You have a major problem understanding YOU need to tell the truth so you won't be a target for derision. Not that you seem to care.
https://tinyurl.com/yaycgmwz
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Ya ne panimayoo.
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests were even accused of molestation.
ONLY 4%??????? That's an appalling number.
That might be true. Since 2000 there have been far fewer "accused"
and this is an averaging game.

In the last thousand years probably fewer than .01% were accused, but
that doesn't mean there were fewer molestations by priests.

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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests were even accused of molestation.
4%? If you have 100,000 priests in this world, it means 4,000 are committing crime...

I thought this figure is somehow higher than the normal rate for general population?

And the conclusion: RELIGIOUS MORALITY IS TOTAL BULLSHIT!
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The US problem with priests is mostly homosexual but in the rest of the world It is heterosexual priests that are the problem.
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The US problem with priests is mostly homosexual but in the rest of the world It is heterosexual priests that are the problem.
The problem on the internet worldwide is there are too many people dumping
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Which is precisely why I do what I can to make sure what I say is accurate. If I find out I am wrong I do my best to correct it.

Because word have meaning I try to use the right words in proper context.

I would never knowingly say anything about something or someone that isn't true.

It's a shame you can't do the same. Why must you embarrass yourself by lying?

Why call people who disagree with you, liars?

Why does a former law school student seem to completely misunderstand what evidence is?

Why the vitriol even when someone says something that is not controversial?
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I might say something untrue in a satirical way but that is obvious to most people.
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Another source worth looking at.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_in_the_United_States
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_in_the_United_States
The issue of child sexual abuse by Roman Catholic priests was first publicized in 1985 when a Louisiana priest pled guilty to 11 counts of molestation of boys.[1] It was again brought to national attention when a number of books on the topic were published in the 1990s,[2] and again in 2002 following a series of publications by the Boston Globe.

As it became clear that there was truth to many of the allegations and that there was a pattern of cover-ups in a number of large dioceses across the United States, the issue became a nationwide scandal, creating a crisis for the Catholic Church in the United States. Allegations in the United States also encouraged victims in other nations to come forward, rapidly creating a global crisis for the Church. Over many decades, priests and lay members of religious orders in the Roman Catholic Church had sexually abused children on such a large scale, that the accusations reached into the thousands.[3] A major aggravating factor was the actions of Catholic bishops to keep these crimes secret and to reassign the accused to other parishes in positions where they had continued unsupervised contact with youth.

Many of the accused priests were forced to resign or were laicized. In addition, several bishops who had participated in the cover-up were also forced to resign or retire.[4] The dioceses in which the crimes were committed found it necessary to make financial settlements with the victims totaling in the hundreds of millions of dollars.[5] The revelations nationwide led to a "zero tolerance" policy by the National Council of Catholic Bishops. Reported incidences since that time have dropped substantially and, when they occurred, been reported by the church itself.



The Roman Catholic Diocese of Dallas paid $30.9 million in 1998 to twelve victims of one priest ($45.4 million in present-day terms).[6][7]

In early 2002, the Boston Globe covered the criminal prosecutions of five Roman Catholic priests in an article that won an uncontested Pulitzer Prize. The issue of child rape and sexual assault of Roman Catholic children became a national scandal.[8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16] The coverage of these cases encouraged others to come forward with allegations of abuse, resulting in more lawsuits and criminal cases.[5]

In July 2003 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Louisville paid $25.7 million to "settle child sexual-abuse allegations made in 240 lawsuits naming 34 priests and other church workers."[6] In 2003, the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston settled a large case for $85 million with 552 alleged victims.[17]

In 2004, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange settled nearly 90 cases for $100 million.[18]

In April 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon agreed to a $75 million settlement with 177 claimants and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Seattle agreed to a $48 million settlement with more than 160 victims.[19] In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles reached a $660 million agreement with more than 500 alleged victims, in December 2006, the archdiocese had a settlement of 45 lawsuits for $60 million.[20][21] In September 2007, the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego reached a $198.1 million "agreement with 144 childhood sexual abuse victims."[22]

In July 2008 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver agreed "to pay $5.5 million to settle 18 claims of childhood sexual abuse."[23]

The Associated Press estimated the total from settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950–2007 to be more than $2 billion.[21] BishopAccountability reports that figure reached more than $3 billion in 2012.[24][25]

Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon.; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection.[21] Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004–2011.[26]
Scope and nature of the problemEdit

Allegations of sexual abuse by priests were widespread, occurring in cities across the country, including Boston, Chicago, Honolulu, Los Angeles, Orange County, Palm Beach, Philadelphia and Portland, Eureka, California[27][28][29][30][31] as well as in dioceses across Europe.

In 2008, the Church asserted that the scandal was a very serious problem, but at the same time, estimated that it was "probably caused by 'no more than 1 per cent' (or about 5,000) of the around 410,000 Roman Catholic priests worldwide.[32] The overwhelming majority (approximately 80%) of reported cases of sexual abuse of minors occurred in the United States.

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) commissioned the John Jay College of Criminal Justice to conduct a comprehensive study based on surveys completed by the Roman Catholic dioceses in the United States. The product of the study, titled the John Jay Report indicated that some 11,000 allegations had been made against 4,392 priests in the USA. This number constituted approximately 4% of the priests who had served during the period covered by the survey (1950–2002).[33]
Actions of the Catholic hierarchyEdit

Historically, the Church has typically addressed sexual abuse as an internal matter. Abusive priests were sanctioned under canon law and sometimes received treatment from specialized Catholic service agencies, with relatively few of the offending priests reported to civil authorities. For example, 6,000 pages of documents released in a Milwaukee court case showed a pattern of on-going abuse by a large number of priests systematically switched to different assignments while church administrators failed to inform secular law enforcement agencies.[34]
Abusers moved to different locationsEdit

The Church was widely criticized when it was discovered that some bishops knew about the crimes committed, but reassigned the accused instead of seeking to have them permanently removed from the priesthood.[5][35] In defense of this practice, some have pointed out that public school administrators acted in a similar manner when dealing with teachers accused of sexual misconduct,[36] as did the Boy Scouts of America.[37]

Some bishops have been heavily criticized for moving offending priests from parish to parish, where they still had personal contact with children, rather than seeking to have them permanently removed from the priesthood. Instead of reporting the incidents to police, many dioceses directed the offending priests to seek psychological treatment and assessment.

In response to these allegations, defenders of the Church's actions have suggested that in reassigning priests after treatment, bishops were acting on the best medical advice then available, a policy also followed by the US public school system when dealing with accused teachers. Some bishops and psychiatrists have asserted that the prevailing psychology of the times suggested that people could be cured of such behavior through counseling.[35][38] Many of the abusive priests had received counseling before being reassigned.[39][40] Critics have questioned whether bishops are necessarily able to form accurate judgments on a priest's recovery.[citation needed] The priests were allowed to resume their previous duties with children only when the bishop was advised by the treating psychologists or psychiatrists that it was safe for them to resume their duties.[citation needed]
Failure to report alleged criminal acts to policeEdit

From a legal perspective, the most serious criticism aside from the incidents of child sexual abuse themselves was by the bishops, who failed to report accusations to the police. In response to the failure to report abuse to the police, lawmakers have changed the law to make reporting of abuse to police compulsory. An example of this can be found in Massachusetts, USA.[41]
Handling of evidenceEdit

William McMurry, a Louisville, Kentucky lawyer, filed suit against the Vatican[42] in June 2004 on behalf of three men allegedly abusing as far back as 1928, accusing Church leaders of organizing a cover-up of cases of sexual abuse of children. In November 2008, the United States Court of Appeals in Cincinnati denied the Vatican's claim of sovereign immunity and allowed the case to proceed. The Vatican initially stated that it did not plan to appeal the ruling.
Awareness of the problemEdit

Some date the current sexual abuse scandal to an article published in the National Catholic Reporter in 1985.[43] After that, the scandal remained at the fringes of public attention but did not become a focus of national attention until the mid-1990s when a number of books were published on the topic.[2] The topic became the focus of intense scrutiny and debate after the Boston Globe published a series of articles covering cases of sexual abuse.

In 2002, criminal charges were brought against five Roman Catholic priests in Boston, (John Geoghan, John Hanlon, Paul Shanley, Robert V. Gale and Jesuit priest James Talbot) which ultimately resulted in the conviction and sentencing of each to prison.[44] The ongoing coverage of these cases by the Boston Globe thrust the issue of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests into the national limelight.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][45] The coverage of these cases encouraged other victims to come forward with their allegations of abuse resulting in more lawsuits and criminal cases.[5]
Prosecution by civil authoritiesEdit

In June 2012, Msgr. William J. Lynn, of the archdiocese of Philadelphia, became the first senior official convicted in the United States for covering up the sexual abuse of children by priests he oversaw. Lynn was convicted of child endangerment for, as the official in charge of handling abuse complaints, reassigning known abusers to new parishes instead of keeping them away from children.[46] He was sentenced to three to six years in prison.[47]

The largest concentrations of sex abuse cases have been in the United States,[citation needed] some of these cases have resulted in multimillion-dollar settlements with many claimants. The Roman Catholic Diocese of Dallas paid $30.9 million in 1998 to twelve victims of one priest.[6] In July 2003 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Louisville paid $25.7 million to "settle child sexual-abuse allegations made in 240 lawsuits naming 34 priests and other church workers."[6] In 2003 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston also settled a large case for $85 million with 552 alleged victims.[17]

In 2004, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange settled nearly 90 cases for $100 million.[18] In April 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon agreed to a $75 million settlement with 177 claimants and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Seattle agreed to a $48 million settlement with more than 160 victims.[19] In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles reached a $660 million agreement with more than 500 alleged victims, in December 2006, the archdiocese had a settlement of 45 lawsuits for $60 million.[20][21] In September 2007 the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego reached a $198.1 million "agreement with 144 childhood sexual abuse victims."[22]

In July 2008 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver agreed "to pay $5.5 million to settle 18 claims of childhood sexual abuse."[23] The Associated Press estimated the total from settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950–2007 to be more than $2 billion.[21] According to the USCCB that figure reached more than $2.6 billion in 2008.[25] Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon.; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection.[21] Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004–2011.[48]
Response of the ChurchEdit

Although many cases could not be prosecuted because the statute of limitations in civil law, the Church's canon law allows for prosecution of many of those cases.[citation needed]

The Catholic Church responded to the scandal at three levels: the diocesan level, the episcopal conference level and the Vatican. Responses to the scandal proceeded at all three levels in parallel with the higher levels becoming progressively more involved as the gravity of the problem became more apparent.

Before the Boston Globe coverage of the sexual abuse scandal in the Boston archdiocese, handling of sexual abuse allegations was largely left up to the discretion of individual bishops. After the number of allegations exploded following the Globe's series of articles, U.S. bishops felt compelled to formulate a coordinated response at the episcopal conference level.

Although the Vatican did not respond immediately to the series of articles published by the Boston Globe in 2002, it has been reported that Vatican officials were, in fact, monitoring the situation in the U.S. closely.[49] Over time, it became more apparent that the problem warranted greater Vatican involvement.
Diocesan responses to the problemEdit

The response to allegations of sexual abuse in a diocese was largely left to the bishop or archbishop. Many of the accused priests were forced to resign or were laicized. In addition, several bishops who had participated in the cover-up were also forced to resign or retire.[4]

The dioceses in which abuse was committed or in which abuse allegations were settled out of court found it necessary to make financial settlements with the victims totaling over $1.5 billion as of March 2006.[50] The number and size of these settlements made it necessary for the dioceses to reduce their ordinary operating expenses by closing churches and schools. In many instances, dioceses were forced to declare bankruptcy as a result of the settlements.
Initial response of the VaticanEdit

On April 30, 2001, John Paul II issued a letter stating that "a sin against the Sixth Commandment of the Decalogue by a cleric with a minor under 18 years of age is to be considered a grave sin, or 'delictum gravius.'"[51]

John F. Allen Jr., Vatican correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter, has commented that many American Catholics saw the Vatican’s initial silence on the Boston Globe stories as showing a lack of concern or awareness about the issue. However, Allen said that he doesn't know anyone in the Roman Curia who was not horrified "by the revelations that came out of the Globe and elsewhere" or that "would defend Cardinal Law’s handling of the cases in Boston" or "would defend the rather shocking lack of oversight that revealed itself [although] they might have different analyses of what should have happened to him".[49] Allen described the Vatican's perspective as being somewhat skeptical of the media handling of the scandal. In addition, he asserted that the Vatican viewed American cultural attitudes toward sexuality as being somewhat hysterical as well as exhibiting a lack of understanding of the Catholic Church.

No one [in the Vatican] thinks the sexual abuse of kids is unique to the States, but they do think that the reporting on it is uniquely American, fueled by anti-Catholicism and shyster lawyers hustling to tap the deep pockets of the church. And that thinking is tied to the larger perception about American culture, which is that there is a hysteria when it comes to anything sexual, and an incomprehension of the Catholic Church. What that means is that Vatican officials are slower to make the kinds of public statements that most American Catholics want, and when they do make them they are tentative and halfhearted. It's not that they don't feel bad for the victims, but they think the clamor for them to apologize is fed by other factors that they don't want to capitulate to.[49]

In April 2002, Pope John Paul II called to Rome the U.S. cardinals, plus the president and vice president of the USCCB. The pope asserted that "there is no place in the priesthood or religious life for those who would harm the young." The meeting's participants drew up a final statement, which called for a set of national standards for dealing with sexual abuse of minors by priests and new procedures for dismissing from the clerical state those found guilty of that crime.
Relations between the Vatican and American CatholicsEdit

According to John Allen Jr., Vatican correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter, cultural differences between the Vatican and American Catholics complicated the process of formulating a comprehensive response to the sexual abuse scandal. Allen asserted that the sexual abuse crisis illustrated that "there is a lot about the American culture and the American Church that puzzles people in the Vatican, and there is much about the Vatican that puzzles Americans and English speakers generally."[49]
Response of the US Conference of Catholic BishopsEdit

As the breadth and depth of the scandals became apparent in dioceses across the United States, it became apparent to the American bishops that a joint response was warranted at the episcopal conference level. John F. Allen Jr. characterized the reaction of the USCCB as calling for “swift, sure and final punishment for priests who are guilty of this kind of misconduct.” In contrast to this, Allen characterized the Vatican's primary concern as wanting to make sure “that everyone’s rights are respected, including the rights of accused clergy" and wanting to affirm that it is not acceptable to "remedy the injustice of sexual abuse with the injustice of railroading priests who may or may not be guilty.”[49]

According to Bishop Blase J. Cupich, then Bishop of Rapid City, by 2008 the U.S. church had trained 5.8 million children to recognize and report abuse. It had run criminal checks on 1.53 million volunteers and employees, 162,700 educators, 51,000 clerics and 4,955 candidates for ordination. It had trained 1.8 million clergy, employees and volunteers in creating a safe environment for children.[52]
Charter for the Protection of Children and Young PeopleEdit

In June 2002, the USCCB unanimously promulgated a Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People, sometimes referred to as the Dallas Charter.[53] The charter committed the Catholic Church in the U.S. to the goal of providing a "safe environment" for all children and youth participating in activities sponsored by the Church. To accomplish this, the U.S. bishops pledged to establish uniform procedures for handling sex-abuse allegations against lay teachers in Catholic schools, parish staff members, coaches and other people who represent the Church to young people.[54][55]

The thrust of the charter was the adoption of a "zero tolerance" policy for sexual abuse.[56][57] The USCCB instituted reforms to prevent future abuse by requiring background checks for Church employees.[54] They now require dioceses faced with an allegation to alert the authorities, conduct an investigation and remove the accused from duty.[54][55]

An audit of the Charter was completed in 2010.[58] In June 2014, the chairman of the USCCB's National Review Board reported that Conley's diocese and three eparchies had yet to comply with the USCCB's charter requiring every diocese to submit its procedures for the protection of children to the Review Board for an audit.[59]
Essential NormsEdit

In June 2002, to ensure that each diocese/eparchy in the United States had "procedures in place to respond promptly to allegations of sexual abuse of minors", the USCCB also issued "Essential Norms for Diocesan/Eparchial Policies Dealing with Allegations of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Priest or Deacons". In October, the USCCB and the Holy See established a commission of four bishops from the Holy See and four bishops from the United States to review the norms.[60] In November, the U.S. bishops were invited to accept the commission's work, but not to propose amendments.[61] Following the document's approval, the USCCB issued the revised version of the norms.[62] According to the USCCB, the Essential Norms constitute "'particular' canon law", that is, cannon law for the Catholic bishops in the United States.[63]
National studyEdit

The National Review Board engaged the John Jay College of Criminal Justice of the City University of New York to conduct a study analyzing allegations of sexual abuse in Catholic dioceses in United States. The time period covered by the John Jay study began in 1950 and ended in 2002. The product of the study was a report to the National Review Board titled "The Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States" and commonly referred to as the "John Jay Report".

The John Jay report indicated that some 11,000 allegations had been made against 4,392 priests in the USA. This number constituted approximately 4% of the 110,000 priests who had served during the period covered by the survey (1950–2002).[33] The report found that, over the 52-year period covered by the study, "the problem was indeed widespread and affected more than 95 percent of the dioceses and approximately 60 percent of religious communities."[64]

Although allegations of clergy sexual abuse have surfaced in several countries around the world, there have been no comprehensive studies which compare the relative incidence of sexual abuse in different areas. However, there is a general perception that the issue has been most prominent in the United States, and then in Australia, Canada and Ireland.[66]

In 2007, there were 408,024 priests in the world.[67]
Number of allegationsEdit

The number of alleged abuses increased in the 1960s, peaked in the 1970s, declined in the 1980s and by the 1990s had returned to the levels of the 1950s.[50]

Of the 11,000 allegations reported by bishops in the John Jay study, 3300 were not investigated because the allegations were made after the accused priest had died. 6700 allegations were substantiated, leaving 1000 which could not be substantiated.

According to the John Jay report, one-third of the accusations were made in the years 2002-3. Another third of the allegations were reported between 1993 and 2001.[50]
Profile of the alleged abusesEdit

The John Jay study found that, "Like in the general population, child sex abuse in the Catholic Church appears to be committed by men close to the children they allegedly abuse." According to the study, "many (abusers) appear to use grooming tactics to entice children into complying with the abuse, and the abuse occurs in the home of the alleged abuser or victim." The study characterized these enticements as actions such as buying the minor gifts, letting the victim drive a car and taking youths to sporting events. The most frequent context for abuse was a social event and many priests socialized with the families of victims. Abuses occurred in a variety of places with the most common being the residence of the priest.[64]

The John Jay report catalogued more than twenty types of sexual abuse ranging from verbal harassment to penile penetration. It said that most of the abusers engaged in multiple types of abuses. According to the report, only 9 percent of the accused performed acts limited to improper touching over the victim's clothes. Slightly more than 27 percent of the allegations involved a cleric performing oral sex and 25 percent involved penile penetration or attempted penile penetration, reported the study.

The study said sexual abuse "includes contacts or interactions between a child and an adult when the child is being used as an object of sexual gratification for the adult." The report categorized allegations of sexual abuse even if the allegation did not involve force or genital or physical contact.[64]
Profile of the victimsEdit

The John Jay report found that 81% of the victims were male. 22% of victims were younger than age 10, 51% were between the ages of 11 and 14, and 27% were between the ages 15 and 17 years.[50][64]
Profile of the abusersEdit

Half the priests were 35 years of age or younger at the time of the first instance of alleged abuse. Fewer than 7 percent of the priests were reported to have experienced physical, sexual or emotional abuse as children. Although 19 percent of the accused priests had alcohol or substance abuse problems, only 9 percent used drugs or alcohol during the alleged instances of abuse. Almost 70 percent of the abusive priests were ordained before 1970, after attending pre-Vatican II seminaries or seminaries that had had little time to adapt to the reforms of Vatican II.[50]

Of the priests who were accused of sexual abuse, 59% were accused of a single allegation. 41% of the priests were the subject of more than one allegation. Just under 3% of the priests were the subject of ten or more allegations. The 149 priests who had more than 10 allegations against them accounted for 2,960 of the total number of allegations.[50]

Some bishops have been heavily criticized for moving offending priests from parish to parish, where they still had personal contact with children, rather than seeking to have them permanently removed from the priesthood by defrocking. The Church was widely criticized when it was discovered that some bishops knew about some of the alleged crimes committed, but reassigned the accused instead of seeking to have them permanently removed from the priesthood.[5][35]

In defense of this practice, some have pointed out that public school administrators engaged in a similar manner when dealing with accused teachers,[36] as did the Boy Scouts of America.[37]

Instead of reporting the incidents to police, many dioceses directed the offending priests to seek psychological treatment and assessment. According to the John Jay report, nearly 40 percent of priests alleged to have committed sexual abuse participated in treatment programs. The more allegations a priest had, the more likely he was to participate in treatment.[50] From a legal perspective, the most serious criticism aside from the incidents of child sexual abuse themselves was by the bishops, who failed to report accusations to the police. In response to the failure to report abuse to the police, lawmakers have changed the law to make reporting of abuse to police compulsory. In 2002, Massachusetts passed a law requiring religious officials to report the abuse of children.[69]

In response to these allegations, defenders of the Church's actions have suggested that in reassigning priests after treatment, bishops were acting on the best medical advice then available, a policy also followed by the US public school system when dealing with accused teachers. Some bishops and psychiatrists have asserted that the prevailing psychology of the times suggested that people could be cured of such behavior through counseling.[35][38] Many of the abusive priests had received counseling before being reassigned.
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Close to 600 million dollars has been paid out by the church as a result of the abuses.
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests were even accused of molestation.
A statute of limitations prescribes a time limit for state prosecution.

The time limit varies by state

https://victimsofcrime.org/docs/DNA%20Resource%20Center/sol-for-sexual-assault-check-chart---final---copy.pdf?sfvrsn=2

This would apply equally if the alleged victim is a minor
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The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests were even accused of molestation.
4% too many.
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4% of 4300 priests x about 10 kids each. That's only the US.
Australia estimates 7% of priests there have committed similar acts.

It's an ugly picture made worse by the church cover-up of the abuse.
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Australia estimates 7% of priests there have committed similar acts.
It's an ugly picture made worse by the church cover-up of the abuse.
The 4% represents those accused, with nothing proven.
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Australia estimates 7% of priests there have committed similar acts.
It's an ugly picture made worse by the church cover-up of the abuse.
The 4% represents those accused, with nothing proven.
Why are you defending pedophiles?
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4% of 4300 priests x about 10 kids each. That's only the US.
Australia estimates 7% of priests there have committed similar acts.
It's an ugly picture made worse by the church cover-up of the abuse.
The 4% represents those accused, with nothing proven.
Why are you defending pedophiles?
Why are you letting cloud lie? Where's his evidence?

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Meaning what? Show me one lie I have ever stated here.
There are so many false statements by atheists here that it's hard to relate
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Meaning what? Show me one lie I have ever stated here.
There are so many false statements by atheists here that it's hard to relate
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You should take it serious when we say your hell is waiting for you.....
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Wikipedia asshole.
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You are a known quantity.
Meaning what? Show me one lie I have ever stated here.
There are so many false statements by atheists here that it's hard to relate
anyone statement to any one person. All of you accuse me of lying and ALL of
you can't related one lie by myself.
Maybe you should try that sentence again in English.
The incidence of your lying has become the stuff of legend because you deny ever doing it.

You lie about the fact that sexual abuse by priests is just a man problem when priests have been given carte blanche for decades and the church has aided and conspired to hus it up and to enable priests suspected of it to be transferred to other places where they could continue their abuse.

You claim to have evidence when all you have is wishful thinking at best and utterly stupid at worst.

And people have been pointing out your lies for decades and you still lie about never lying.

You claim mythology is history when the evidence clearly indicates you are full of shit.
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Wikipedia asshole.
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You are a known quantity.
Meaning what? Show me one lie I have ever stated here.
There are so many false statements by atheists here that it's hard to relate
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Maybe you should try that sentence again in English.
The incidence of your lying has become the stuff of legend because you deny ever doing it.
If you can't, you're in over your head.
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You lie about the fact that sexual abuse by priests is just a man problem when priests have been given carte blanche for decades
and the church has aided and conspired to hus it up and to enable priests suspected of it to be transferred to other places where they could continue their abuse.
It is a man problem, not a priest problem. You just want the enjoyment of
seeing it attached to a priest. NObody wants to see a priest involved, but
even priests can be bad men.
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You claim to have evidence when all you have is wishful thinking at best and utterly stupid at worst.
And people have been pointing out your lies for decades and you still lie about never lying.
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Wikipedia asshole.
Unlike you I don't lie.
You are a known quantity.
Meaning what? Show me one lie I have ever stated here.
There are so many false statements by atheists here that it's hard to relate
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Maybe you should try that sentence again in English.
The incidence of your lying has become the stuff of legend because you deny ever doing it.
If you can't, you're in over your head.
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You lie about the fact that sexual abuse by priests is just a man problem when priests have been given carte blanche for decades
and the church has aided and conspired to hus it up and to enable priests suspected of it to be transferred to other places where they could continue their abuse.
It is a man problem, not a priest problem.
In the sense that some men abuse children. With the Catholic Priests and the Church, it's a conspiracy to hide known criminals from the law.


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even priests can be bad men.
Then why did the Church do so much to hide these pedophiles from the law?
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You claim to have evidence when all you have is wishful thinking at best and utterly stupid at worst.
And people have been pointing out your lies for decades and you still lie about never lying.
Nope, you never show a lie on my part.
There's one now.
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Wikipedia asshole.
Unlike you I don't lie.
You are a known quantity.
Meaning what? Show me one lie I have ever stated here.
There are so many false statements by atheists here that it's hard to relate
anyone statement to any one person. All of you accuse me of lying and ALL of
you can't related one lie by myself.
Maybe you should try that sentence again in English.
The incidence of your lying has become the stuff of legend because you deny ever doing it.
If you can't, you're in over your head.
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You lie about the fact that sexual abuse by priests is just a man problem when priests have been given carte blanche for decades
and the church has aided and conspired to hus it up and to enable priests suspected of it to be transferred to other places where they could continue their abuse.
It is a man problem, not a priest problem.
In the sense that some men abuse children. With the Catholic Priests and the Church, it's a conspiracy to hide known criminals from the law.
Wrong. You keep making the same mistake. Hiding is not the issue. 4300
priests were accused in the US. Where is the hiding? 80% were released without
evidence. Where was the evidence. Where were the witnesses? Where were the
bloody bottoms. Where were the parents?

Yes, there were some found guilty, a few were hidden. But a priest reports to
the local bishop. And transferring a priest form parish to another parish is
well within the range of the local radio station.
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You just want the enjoyment of
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seeing it attached to a priest. NObody wants to see a priest involved, but
even priests can be bad men.
Then why did the Church do so much to hide these pedophiles from the law?
The CHURCH did no such thing.
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You claim to have evidence when all you have is wishful thinking at best and utterly stupid at worst.
And people have been pointing out your lies for decades and you still lie about never lying.
Nope, you never show a lie on my part.
There's one now.
You hate truth.

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The truth duke, is that priests molested children and were not reported to the authorities and were shipped off to other places where they committed the same crimes. In at least the case of Cardinal Mahoney, he was rewarded for fighting tooth and nail against any investigation into the allegations against priests in the L.A. archdiocese. He was promoted to the Vatican.

You can argue that it was not official policy to hide priests accused of these crimes but the fact is it happened at several places and it happened repeatedly.

The people in charge of hiding suspected offenders were members of the church and eventually the various churches had to pay damages and many priests went to jail.

Parse it any way you want but the facts remain that there was an effort to hide criminals from due process and keep criminal priests from going to jail.
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The truth duke, is that priests molested children and were not reported to the authorities and were shipped off to other places where they committed the same crimes.
Far too few for that to be an issue. A priest can only be moved within his
Bishop's diocese. And radio waves easily travel between parishes in the
diocese.
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In at least the case of Cardinal Mahoney, he was rewarded for fighting tooth and nail against any investigation into the allegations against priests in the L.A. archdiocese. He was promoted to the Vatican.
He wasn't promoted. He even gave the Boston Grand Jury the chance to call him.
They didn't. So he moved to Rome. Then they decided they wanted to talk to
him. He said no - you had a chance before and passed on it.


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The truth duke, is that priests molested children and were not reported to the authorities and were shipped off to other places where they committed the same crimes.
Far too few for that to be an issue.
An opinion not shared by most people including a lot of Catholics who no longer attend church.

A priest can only be moved within his
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Bishop's diocese. And radio waves easily travel between parishes in the
diocese.
They were still being removed from one place to another to hide the fact that they were accused of abuse.
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In at least the case of Cardinal Mahoney, he was rewarded for fighting tooth and nail against any investigation into the allegations against priests in the L.A. archdiocese. He was promoted to the Vatican.
He wasn't promoted.
Moving from the L.A. archdiocese to the Vatican is not a promotion?

He even gave the Boston Grand Jury the chance to call him.

What does Boston have to do with Los Angeles?
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They didn't. So he moved to Rome. Then they decided they wanted to talk to
him. He said no - you had a chance before and passed on it.
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4% of 4300 priests x about 10 kids each. That's only the US.
Australia estimates 7% of priests there have committed similar acts.
It's an ugly picture made worse by the church cover-up of the abuse.
The 4% represents those accused, with nothing proven.
In 1998 the church paid out over 30 million dollars to settle such cases. that seems like a big deal to me. That was just in Dallas. In 2004 in Louisville the church paid out 25 million, in Orange they p[aid out 100 million to settle 90 cases. n Portland Oregon 77 million to settle 177 cases, In Seattle 48 million for 168 cases. In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles reached a $660 million agreement with more than 500 alleged victims, in December 2006, the archdiocese had a settlement of 45 lawsuits for $60 million.[20][21] In September 2007, the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego reached a $198.1 million "agreement with 144 childhood sexual abuse victims."[22]
In July 2008 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver agreed "to pay $5.5 million to settle 18 claims of childhood sexual abuse."[23]

The Associated Press estimated the total from settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950–2007 to be more than $2 billion.[21] BishopAccountability reports that figure reached more than $3 billion in 2012.[24][25]

Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon.; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection.[21] Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004–2011.[26]

Seems like a big deal to me.

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4% of 4300 priests x about 10 kids each. That's only the US.
Australia estimates 7% of priests there have committed similar acts.
It's an ugly picture made worse by the church cover-up of the abuse.
The 4% represents those accused, with nothing proven.
In 1998 the church paid out over 30 million dollars to settle such cases. that seems like a big deal to me. That was just in Dallas. In 2004 in Louisville the church paid out 25 million, in Orange they p[aid out 100 million to settle 90 cases. n Portland Oregon 77 million to settle 177 cases, In Seattle 48 million for 168 cases. In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles reached a $660 million agreement with more than 500 alleged victims, in December 2006, the archdiocese had a settlement of 45 lawsuits for $60 million.[20][21] In September 2007, the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego reached a $198.1 million "agreement with 144 childhood sexual abuse victims."[22]
In July 2008 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver agreed "to pay $5.5 million to settle 18 claims of childhood sexual abuse."[23]
The Associated Press estimated the total from settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950–2007 to be more than $2 billion.[21] BishopAccountability reports that figure reached more than $3 billion in 2012.[24][25]
Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon.; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection.[21] Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004–2011.[26]
Seems like a big deal to me.
Your figures don't tell us how many priests were involved. One priest can abuse hundreds of children.
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It matters more that the church covered it up.

Those numbers only reflect abuse in the US.

It may be there are many more that have yet to be known.

One is too many.
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4% of 4300 priests x about 10 kids each. That's only the US.
Australia estimates 7% of priests there have committed similar acts.
It's an ugly picture made worse by the church cover-up of the abuse.
The 4% represents those accused, with nothing proven.
In 1998 the church paid out over 30 million dollars to settle such cases. that seems like a big deal to me. That was just in Dallas. In 2004 in Louisville the church paid out 25 million, in Orange they p[aid out 100 million to settle 90 cases. n Portland Oregon 77 million to settle 177 cases, In Seattle 48 million for 168 cases. In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles reached a $660 million agreement with more than 500 alleged victims, in December 2006, the archdiocese had a settlement of 45 lawsuits for $60 million.[20][21] In September 2007, the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego reached a $198.1 million "agreement with 144 childhood sexual abuse victims."[22]
In July 2008 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver agreed "to pay $5.5 million to settle 18 claims of childhood sexual abuse."[23]
The Associated Press estimated the total from settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950–2007 to be more than $2 billion.[21] BishopAccountability reports that figure reached more than $3 billion in 2012.[24][25]
Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon.; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection.[21] Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004–2011.[26]
Seems like a big deal to me.
Your figures don't tell us how many priests were involved. One priest can abuse hundreds of children.
The point is not how many.....the question to ask is why believing preachers commit sexual crimes when they are under the command of the pixie?????
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4% of 4300 priests x about 10 kids each. That's only the US.
Australia estimates 7% of priests there have committed similar acts.
It's an ugly picture made worse by the church cover-up of the abuse.
The 4% represents those accused, with nothing proven.
In 1998 the church paid out over 30 million dollars to settle such
cases. that seems like a big deal to me. That was just in Dallas. In
2004 in Louisville the church paid out 25 million, in Orange they p[aid
out 100 million to settle 90 cases. n Portland Oregon 77 million to
settle 177 cases, In Seattle 48 million for 168 cases. In July 2007 the
Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles reached a $660 million
agreement with more than 500 alleged victims, in December 2006, the
archdiocese had a settlement of 45 lawsuits for $60 million.[20][21] In
September 2007, the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego reached a
$198.1 million "agreement with 144 childhood sexual abuse victims."[22]
In July 2008 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver agreed "to pay
$5.5 million to settle 18 claims of childhood sexual abuse."[23]
The Associated Press estimated the total from settlements of sex abuse
cases from 1950–2007 to be more than $2 billion.[21]
BishopAccountability reports that figure reached more than $3 billion in 2012.[24][25]
Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona;
Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon.; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego)
got bankruptcy protection.[21] Eight Catholic dioceses have declared
bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004–2011.[26]
Seems like a big deal to me.
Your figures don't tell us how many priests were involved. One priest
can abuse hundreds of children.
The point is not how many.....the question to ask is why believing
preachers commit sexual crimes when they are under the command of the pixie?????
Yep.
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4% of 4300 priests x about 10 kids each. That's only the US.
Australia estimates 7% of priests there have committed similar acts.
It's an ugly picture made worse by the church cover-up of the abuse.
That and I find it is worse because of what a Priest is said to
represent within the RCC.
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4% of 4300 priests x about 10 kids each.
170 priests. Thanks you. Think of the 4130 that did not do such a thing.

That's only the US.
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Australia estimates 7% of priests there have committed similar acts.
It's an ugly picture made worse by the church cover-up of the abuse.
Of the 170, how many were not involved in any coverup?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=John_Jay_Report
The study found that, between 1950 and 2002, only 4% of RCC priests were even accused of molestation.
4% too many.
This figure could have been masked....the unreported, the privately settled or fear of shame would make the figure much higher.
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