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Book review: The Darkening Age by Nixey in NYT
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Kevrob
2018-06-11 03:27:52 UTC
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This review by Bettany Hughes, is of:


THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html

Headline:

How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World

FYI.

Kevin R
Andrew
2018-06-11 08:07:50 UTC
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
Did you note that she is the offspring of
a nun and a monk who were having sex?
Cloud Hobbit
2018-06-11 08:25:49 UTC
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Did you note that she is the offspring of
a nun and a monk who were having sex?
How is that relevant to anything?

I bet there are many more children from such relationships that you might imagine.
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2018-06-11 09:35:56 UTC
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Did you note that she is the offspring of
a nun and a monk who were having sex?
How is that relevant to anything?
As a relevant factor to her early culture and what has shaped her bias.
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I bet there are many more children from such relationships that you might imagine.
For sure.
Kevrob
2018-06-11 10:49:28 UTC
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Did you note that she is the offspring of
a nun and a monk who were having sex?
How is that relevant to anything?
As a relevant factor to her early culture and what has shaped her bias.
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I bet there are many more children from such relationships that you might imagine.
For sure.
Andrew quote-mining clod that he is leaves out the key
phrase "ex-."

How C Nixey's parents met here:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my-parents-the-nun-and-the-monk-389rsqwpkkh

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And, Androol, are you a strict, traditional Catholic, now, who thinks
people who take religious orders may never return to a lay life?
Protestant and Orthodox clergy marry. Do you sneer at them?
Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther#Marriage


There's no mention of pre-marital sex in the Times article.

It does end with this note:

[quote]

I also say that, at some point, the religion petered out. That we didn’t
go to church any more. That, imperceptibly, everyone stopped believing.
And I say that, when my mother died unexpectedly five years ago, and my
father’s oldest friend from the monastery put his arm around him at her
funeral and said “You will see her again”, my father didn’t believe a word
of it. And neither did I.

[/quote]

So, win-win-win for the Nixeys. Two people rescued themselves
from the grip of belief, found love and raised a family.

Nothing to say, Andrew, about the wrecking of rival religions'
sanctuaries statuary etc? Hypatia's murder by the parabalani?
All just "doing the Lord's work?"

Kevin R
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2018-06-11 10:59:45 UTC
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife
due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
Kevrob
2018-06-11 15:59:42 UTC
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife
due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
Nothing about love, nothing a family, just the old "sex is a monster
that must be kept in its cage" meme.

Note that plenty of married Christians do all sorts of outside-
the-marriage fornicating.

Kevin R
Andrew
2018-06-11 23:26:00 UTC
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife
due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
Nothing about love, nothing a family, just the old "sex
is a monster that must be kept in its cage" meme.
"Marriage is honorable in every respect; and, in particular,
sex within marriage is pure. But God will indeed punish
fornicators and adulterers." ~ Hebrews 13:4

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Hebrews%2013:4
Rick Johnson
2018-06-11 23:35:54 UTC
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"Marriage is honorable in every respect; and, in particular,
sex within marriage is pure. But God will indeed punish
fornicators and adulterers." ~ Hebrews 13:4
*trembling*

And, did your god indicate what sort of punishments might befall a fornicator or adulterer? Not for me of course. Oh no! But you see, i have a close friend who _may_ have committed both of these transgressions, and, you see... i'm just wondering what terrible fate might befall him. He's a close friend, and i worry about him

PS: It's not me.

PPS: His name is "John Rickson".

PPPS: He's really sorry, too.
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"Marriage is honorable in every respect; and, in particular,
sex within marriage is pure. But God will indeed punish
fornicators and adulterers." ~ Hebrews 13:4
*trembling*
And, did your god indicate what sort of punishments might befall a fornicator or adulterer? Not for me of course. Oh no! But you see, i have a close friend who _may_ have committed both of these transgressions, and, you see... i'm just wondering what terrible fate might befall him. He's a close friend, and i worry about him
PS: It's not me.
PPS: His name is "John Rickson".
PPPS: He's really sorry, too.
is he married
Rick Johnson
2018-06-11 23:46:22 UTC
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"Marriage is honorable in every respect; and, in particular,
sex within marriage is pure. But God will indeed punish
fornicators and adulterers." ~ Hebrews 13:4
*trembling*
And, did your god indicate what sort of punishments might befall a fornicator or adulterer? Not for me of course. Oh no! But you see, i have a close friend who _may_ have committed both of these transgressions, and, you see... i'm just wondering what terrible fate might befall him. He's a close friend, and i worry about him
PS: It's not me.
PPS: His name is "John Rickson".
PPPS: He's really sorry, too.
is he married
Uh, not anymore.

Did i score any points with the cosmic monster?
Rick Johnson
2018-06-11 23:49:57 UTC
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Did i score any points with the cosmic monster?
Oops. I mean. My friend wants to know if everything is "cool" now.
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2018-06-12 00:00:08 UTC
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"Marriage is honorable in every respect; and, in particular,
sex within marriage is pure. But God will indeed punish
fornicators and adulterers." ~ Hebrews 13:4
*trembling*
And, did your god indicate what sort of punishments might befall a fornicator or adulterer? Not for me of course. Oh no! But you see, i have a close friend who _may_ have committed both of these transgressions, and, you see... i'm just wondering what terrible fate might befall him. He's a close friend, and i worry about him
PS: It's not me.
PPS: His name is "John Rickson".
PPPS: He's really sorry, too.
is he married
Uh, not anymore.
Did i score any points with the cosmic monster?
if he's not married he can't commit adultry
duke
2018-06-12 17:50:00 UTC
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"Marriage is honorable in every respect; and, in particular,
sex within marriage is pure. But God will indeed punish
fornicators and adulterers." ~ Hebrews 13:4
*trembling*
And, did your god indicate what sort of punishments might befall a fornicator or adulterer? Not for me of course. Oh no! But you see, i have a close friend who _may_ have committed both of these transgressions, and, you see... i'm just wondering what terrible fate might befall him. He's a close friend, and i worry about him
PS: It's not me.
PPS: His name is "John Rickson".
PPPS: He's really sorry, too.
is he married
Uh, not anymore.
Did i score any points with the cosmic monster?
Only the fsm.

the dukester, American-American


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2018-06-12 00:29:27 UTC
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"Marriage is honorable in every respect; and, in particular,
sex within marriage is pure. But God will indeed punish
fornicators and adulterers." ~ Hebrews 13:4
*trembling*
And, did your god indicate what sort of punishments might befall a
fornicator or adulterer?
"For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous
man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ
and God. Let no one deceive you with vain words, for God’s wrath is
coming on the disobedient because of these things."
~ Ephesians 5:5,6
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Not for me of course. Oh no!
Are you telling the truth? It's important because liars are in big trouble
also.
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But you see, i have a close friend who _may_ have committed both
of these transgressions, and, you see... i'm just wondering what terrible
fate might befall him. He's a close friend, and i worry about him
See above.
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PS: It's not me.
Nooooo.
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PPS: His name is "John Rickson".
PPPS: He's really sorry, too.
Jesus told the woman who was caught in the " very act"

"Neither do I condemn you: go, and sin no more."
~ John 8:11
duke
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"Marriage is honorable in every respect; and, in particular,
sex within marriage is pure. But God will indeed punish
fornicators and adulterers." ~ Hebrews 13:4
*trembling*
And, did your god indicate what sort of punishments might befall a fornicator or adulterer? Not for me of course. Oh no! But you see, i have a close friend who _may_ have committed both of these transgressions, and, you see... i'm just wondering what terrible fate might befall him. He's a close friend, and i worry about him
Yes, he did.

Hebrews 13:4 New International Version (NIV)
4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God
will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

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2018-06-11 23:55:32 UTC
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife
due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
Nothing about love, nothing a family, just the old "sex
is a monster that must be kept in its cage" meme.
"Marriage is honorable in every respect; and, in particular,
sex within marriage is pure.
But God will indeed punish
fornicators and adulterers." ~ Hebrews 13:4
Why do you always seem to leave out God's punishment for liars, Andrew?

Marvin Sebourn
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https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Hebrews%2013:4
duke
2018-06-12 17:52:39 UTC
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife
due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
Nothing about love, nothing a family, just the old "sex
is a monster that must be kept in its cage" meme.
"Marriage is honorable in every respect; and, in particular,
sex within marriage is pure.
But God will indeed punish
fornicators and adulterers." ~ Hebrews 13:4
Why do you always seem to leave out God's punishment for liars, Andrew?
Hey, marvin. Do white lies count as much as true lies?

the dukester, American-American


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2018-06-13 08:21:17 UTC
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife
due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
ooo
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~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
Later in that same chapter:

" Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised."

Kind of wondering here how that 'becoming uncircumcised' bit works.


Oko
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife
due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
ooo
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~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
" Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become
uncircumcised."
Post by Oko Tillo
Kind of wondering here how that 'becoming uncircumcised' bit works.
Oko
Doc Johnson got pill's for that, you can find his ad between the one
for x-ray glass's & the one for live sea monkey's.
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let
every
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  woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife >
due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
ooo
                                    ~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
    " Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become
uncircumcised."
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Kind of wondering here how that 'becoming  uncircumcised' bit works.
Oko
Doc Johnson got pill's for that, you can find his ad between the one for
x-ray glass's & the one for live sea monkey's.
no you can't
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife
due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
ooo
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~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
" Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised."
Kind of wondering here how that 'becoming uncircumcised' bit works.
It's either (1) not literal or (2) quite difficult.
Basically you can tie a heavy weight to your - I'll
stop here, shall I?
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due
benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
ooo
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~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
" Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become
uncircumcised."
Kind of wondering here how that 'becoming uncircumcised' bit works.
How, do you think, are there more than a dozen relics of Jesus's foreskin?
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Rick Johnson
2018-06-14 23:51:05 UTC
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How, do you think, are there more than a dozen relics of Jesus's foreskin?
(going out on a limb here)

Was his snake a "shedder" perhaps?

The real question is...

What kind of a person collects used foreskins?

I mean, if they were new, then...
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2018-06-14 23:55:46 UTC
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How, do you think, are there more than a dozen relics of Jesus's foreskin?
(going out on a limb here)
Was his snake a "shedder" perhaps?
The real question is...
What kind of a person collects used foreskins?
I mean, if they were new, then...
someone that's making a suit
Rick Johnson
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What kind of a person collects used foreskins?
someone that's making a suit
Buffalo Bill Perhaps?

Hmm

And from what i hear, he's been a very naughty boy...
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How, do you think, are there more than a dozen relics of Jesus's foreskin?
(going out on a limb here)
Was his snake a "shedder" perhaps?
The real question is...
What kind of a person collects used foreskins?
A dick?
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I mean, if they were new, then...
All foreskins are 'used', unless you know where to get unused ones?
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Alex W.
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The real question is...
What kind of a person collects used foreskins?
I mean, if they were new, then...
Wallet makers.
Rick Johnson
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The real question is...
What kind of a person collects used foreskins?
I mean, if they were new, then...
Wallet makers.
Yep. Or you could puree them and make frankfurters. And i image the flavor would play well with the other ingredients: lips and assholes.
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The real question is...
What kind of a person collects used foreskins?
I mean, if they were new, then...
Wallet makers.
Yep. Or you could puree them and make frankfurters. And i image the flavor would play well with the other ingredients: lips and assholes.
one time a doctor saved up all the foreskins he could collect ,
he took them to a taxidermist and said see if you can make me ,
something useful with these , about a week later he went ,
back to the taxidermy to see what he had made and it was ,
a tiny little change purse and the doctor said ,
this is all you could make with all those foreskins ,
the taxidermist said yea a change purse , but ,
if you rub it a bit it turns into an 8 piece luggage set
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one time a doctor saved up all the foreskins he could collect ,
he took them to a taxidermist and said see if you can make me ,
something useful with these , about a week later he went ,
back to the taxidermy to see what he had made and it was ,
a tiny little change purse and the doctor said ,
this is all you could make with all those foreskins ,
the taxidermist said yea a change purse , but ,
if you rub it a bit it turns into an 8 piece luggage set
Only 8 pieces???

:-)
%
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one time a doctor saved up all the foreskins he could collect ,
he took them to a taxidermist and said see if you can make me ,
something useful with these , about a week later he went ,
back to the taxidermy to see what he had made and it was ,
a tiny little change purse and the doctor said ,
this is all you could make with all those foreskins ,
the taxidermist said yea a change purse , but ,
if you rub it a bit it turns into an 8 piece luggage set
Only 8 pieces???
:-)
3 of them are carry ons
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one time a doctor saved up all the foreskins he could collect ,
he took them to a taxidermist and said see if you can make me ,
something useful with these , about a week later he went ,
back to the taxidermy to see what he had made and it was ,
a tiny little change purse and the doctor said ,
this is all you could make with all those foreskins ,
the taxidermist said yea a change purse , but ,
if you rub it a bit it turns into an 8 piece luggage set
Only 8 pieces???
:-)
Elephants have big foreskins.
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one time a doctor saved up all the foreskins he could collect ,
he took them to a taxidermist and said see if you can make me ,
something useful with these , about a week later he went ,
back to the taxidermy to see what he had made and it was ,
a tiny little change purse and the doctor said ,
this is all you could make with all those foreskins ,
the taxidermist said yea a change purse , but ,
if you rub it a bit it turns into an 8 piece luggage set
Only 8 pieces???
:-)
Elephants have big foreskins.
But occasionally suffer nasal brises at the hands of nearsighted
rabbis.
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one time a doctor saved up all the foreskins he could collect ,
he took them to a taxidermist and said see if you can make me ,
something useful with these , about a week later he went , back to
the taxidermy to see what he had made and it was ,
a tiny little change purse and the doctor said ,
this is all you could make with all those foreskins ,
the taxidermist said yea a change purse , but ,
if you rub it a bit it turns into an 8 piece luggage set
Only 8 pieces???
:-)
Elephants have big foreskins.
But occasionally suffer nasal brises at the hands of nearsighted rabbis.
They get truncated.
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They get ....
How long will you keep running away trying to hide from me?

I know you were lying about all my beliefs being false, since you are
unable to prove it's true.

Squirm a little bit more for me.

I like watching you squirm like a worm, you yellow coward.

<smirk>
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due
benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
ooo
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~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
" Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised."
Kind of wondering here how that 'becoming uncircumcised' bit works.
How, do you think, are there more than a dozen relics of Jesus's foreskin?
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I believe they used to call it the "Miraculous Multiplication"
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife
due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
ooo
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~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
" Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised."
Kind of wondering here how that 'becoming uncircumcised' bit works.
How, do you think, are there more than a dozen relics of Jesus's foreskin?
I believe they used to call it the "Miraculous Multiplication"
They keep quiet about that now.
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife
due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
ooo
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~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
" Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised."
Kind of wondering here how that 'becoming uncircumcised' bit works.
It's a miracle, I tell you! At last, I can grow smegma!
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due
benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
ooo
Post by Andrew
~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
" Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become
uncircumcised."
Kind of wondering here how that 'becoming uncircumcised' bit works.
It's a miracle, I tell you! At last, I can grow smegma!
Of all the things I've ever wanted to grow, smegma was not one of them.
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due
benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
ooo
Post by Andrew
~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
" Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become
uncircumcised."
Kind of wondering here how that 'becoming uncircumcised' bit works.
It's a miracle, I tell you! At last, I can grow smegma!
Of all the things I've ever wanted to grow, smegma was not one of them.
We who were circumcised as infants never know its joys.
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aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
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Martin Luther was an ex-Catholic priest who married an ex-nun.
"To avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife
due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband."
ooo
Post by Andrew
~ 1 Corinthians 7:2-3
" Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised."
Kind of wondering here how that 'becoming uncircumcised' bit works.
It's a miracle, I tell you! At last, I can grow smegma!
Of all the things I've ever wanted to grow, smegma was not one of them.
We who were circumcised as infants never know its joys.
Your definition of 'joy' must be very different to mine.
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Did you note that she is the offspring of
a nun and a monk who were having sex?
Hey, nuns and monks need lovin' too! And heck, they're already in costume, so hey, why not?
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
Did you note that she is the offspring of
a nun and a monk who were having sex?
Oh, she was not the progeny of two godless atheists? I'm shocked, Andrew, truly shocked!

Your "who were having sex..." is completely superfluous. Unless it titillates you, Andrew. This copulation subject seems to excite you, as it does many here, who might be said to be on your side.

Did you think the pregnancy resulted from a game of checkers the two played?

Marvin Sebourn
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
I'm sure the book has some interest but probably only for those either specializing in the late classical age or those specializing in hate for Christianity like Kev.

Not to justify it, but desecration of inscriptions and images goes back thousands of years. It was a way of controlling history to break up busts of your rivals and scratch away their names from monuments.

I like Bettany Hughes a lot and have read all her books, including her latest about one of my favorite cities, Istanbul. However, she does sometimes stub her toe stepping over PC topics.

For sure, we cannot expect a similar book to be written about how Islam also helped destroy the Classical world nor would I expect Hughes to review it.

In our world, it could result in dangerous threats being made against author, publisher and reviewer to say nothing of accusations in the UK of Islamophobia and legal action.

For Christians, there'll be nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders because of this book.
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2018-06-11 16:53:49 UTC
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
I'm sure the book has some interest but probably only for those either specializing in the late classical age or those specializing in hate for Christianity like Kev.
Not to justify it, but desecration of inscriptions and images goes back thousands of years. It was a way of controlling history to break up busts of your rivals and scratch away their names from monuments.
I like Bettany Hughes a lot and have read all her books, including her latest about one of my favorite cities, Istanbul. However, she does sometimes stub her toe stepping over PC topics.
For sure, we cannot expect a similar book to be written about how Islam also helped destroy the Classical world nor would I expect Hughes to review it.
We only have to read news articles about the Taliban
dynamiting Buddhist statues in Afghanistan, before the
post 9-11 invasion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan

OR, similar cutural vandalism by ISIL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_heritage_by_ISIL

Then there were shrines destroyed by Islamists in Timbuktu:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Timbuktu_(2012)#Destruction_of_shrines
Post by Kurt Nicklas
In our world, it could result in dangerous threats being made against author, publisher and reviewer to say nothing of accusations in the UK of Islamophobia and legal action.
The UK has many fine points. Its attitude toward free speech in cases
like the one you posit is not admirable.
Post by Kurt Nicklas
For Christians, there'll be nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders because of this book.
Shrug away, in some other news group, if a Christian you be.

Kevin R
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
I'm sure the book has some interest but probably only for those either specializing in the late classical age or those specializing in hate for Christianity like Kev.
Not to justify it, but desecration of inscriptions and images goes back thousands of years. It was a way of controlling history to break up busts of your rivals and scratch away their names from monuments.
I like Bettany Hughes a lot and have read all her books, including her latest about one of my favorite cities, Istanbul. However, she does sometimes stub her toe stepping over PC topics.
For sure, we cannot expect a similar book to be written about how Islam also helped destroy the Classical world nor would I expect Hughes to review it.
We only have to read news articles about the Taliban
dynamiting Buddhist statues in Afghanistan, before the
post 9-11 invasion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
OR, similar cutural vandalism by ISIL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_heritage_by_ISIL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Timbuktu_(2012)#Destruction_of_shrines
Post by Kurt Nicklas
In our world, it could result in dangerous threats being made against author, publisher and reviewer to say nothing of accusations in the UK of Islamophobia and legal action.
The UK has many fine points. Its attitude toward free speech in cases
like the one you posit is not admirable.
That's an understatement. Based on my own public statements I doubt I would be allowed into the UK - as if I had any reason or desire to go there again.
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
For Christians, there'll be nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders because of this book.
Shrug away, in some other news group, if a Christian you be.
I'm a Christian, I'll post in this news group and based on your conflicting actions regarding the "group FAQ" you'll not be changing my decision in that regard.
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
I'm sure the book has some interest but probably only for those either specializing in the late classical age or those specializing in hate for Christianity like Kev.
Not to justify it, but desecration of inscriptions and images goes back thousands of years. It was a way of controlling history to break up busts of your rivals and scratch away their names from monuments.
I like Bettany Hughes a lot and have read all her books, including her latest about one of my favorite cities, Istanbul. However, she does sometimes stub her toe stepping over PC topics.
For sure, we cannot expect a similar book to be written about how Islam also helped destroy the Classical world nor would I expect Hughes to review it.
We only have to read news articles about the Taliban
dynamiting Buddhist statues in Afghanistan, before the
post 9-11 invasion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
OR, similar cutural vandalism by ISIL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_heritage_by_ISIL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Timbuktu_(2012)#Destruction_of_shrines
Post by Kurt Nicklas
In our world, it could result in dangerous threats being made against author, publisher and reviewer to say nothing of accusations in the UK of Islamophobia and legal action.
The UK has many fine points. Its attitude toward free speech in cases
like the one you posit is not admirable.
That's an understatement. Based on my own public statements I doubt I would be allowed into the UK - as if I had any reason or desire to go there again.
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
For Christians, there'll be nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders because of this book.
Shrug away, in some other news group, if a Christian you be.
I'm a Christian, I'll post in this news group and based on your conflicting actions regarding the "group FAQ" you'll not be changing my decision in that regard.
You are an extremely bad example of any religion. This is an atheist newsgroup.
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You are an extremely bad example of any religion. This is an atheist newsgroup.
WE ARE NOT ONE.....
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
I'm sure the book has some interest but probably only for those either specializing in the late classical age or those specializing in hate for Christianity like Kev.
Not to justify it, but desecration of inscriptions and images goes back thousands of years. It was a way of controlling history to break up busts of your rivals and scratch away their names from monuments.
I like Bettany Hughes a lot and have read all her books, including her latest about one of my favorite cities, Istanbul. However, she does sometimes stub her toe stepping over PC topics.
For sure, we cannot expect a similar book to be written about how Islam also helped destroy the Classical world nor would I expect Hughes to review it.
We only have to read news articles about the Taliban
dynamiting Buddhist statues in Afghanistan, before the
post 9-11 invasion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
OR, similar cutural vandalism by ISIL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_heritage_by_ISIL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Timbuktu_(2012)#Destruction_of_shrines
Post by Kurt Nicklas
In our world, it could result in dangerous threats being made against author, publisher and reviewer to say nothing of accusations in the UK of Islamophobia and legal action.
The UK has many fine points. Its attitude toward free speech in cases
like the one you posit is not admirable.
That's an understatement. Based on my own public statements I doubt I would be allowed into the UK - as if I had any reason or desire to go there again.
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
For Christians, there'll be nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders because of this book.
Shrug away, in some other news group, if a Christian you be.
I'm a Christian, I'll post in this news group and based on your conflicting actions regarding the "group FAQ" you'll not be changing my decision in that regard.
You are an extremely bad example of any religion. This is an atheist newsgroup.
What you need is a *moderated* atheist newsgroup.

Go there.
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What you need is a *moderated* atheist newsgroup.
Go there.
What you need is some manners (netiquette) that would allow
you to participate in an unmoderated group without being a troll.

You are a self-proclaimed Christian, but can't stop
acting like a total ass.

[quote]

Whatever place does not welcome you or listen to you, leave
there and shake the dust off your feet in testimony against them.”

[/quote] - http://biblehub.com/mark/6-11.htm Mark 6:11

Get shakin'

Kevin R
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What you need is a *moderated* atheist newsgroup.
Go there.
What you need is some manners (netiquette) that would allow
you to participate in an unmoderated group without being a troll.
You are a self-proclaimed Christian, but can't stop
acting like a total ass.
[quote]
Whatever place does not welcome you or listen to you, leave
there and shake the dust off your feet in testimony against them.”
[/quote] - http://biblehub.com/mark/6-11.htm Mark 6:11
Get shakin'
Kevin R

duke
2018-06-17 14:36:14 UTC
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What you need is a *moderated* atheist newsgroup.
Go there.
What you need is some manners (netiquette) that would allow
you to participate in an unmoderated group without being a troll.
You are a self-proclaimed Christian, but can't stop
acting like a total ass.
Really, kboy!! If you atheists tried to respond, you attitude would be totally
different.

the dukester, American-American


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What you need is a *moderated* atheist newsgroup.
Go there.
What you need is some manners (netiquette) that would allow
you to participate in an unmoderated group without being a troll.
You are a self-proclaimed Christian, but can't stop
acting like a total ass.
Really, kboy!! If you atheists tried to respond, you attitude would be totally
different.
My advice is the same for you, Earl.

Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.

Kevin R
duke
2018-06-26 20:46:52 UTC
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What you need is a *moderated* atheist newsgroup.
Go there.
What you need is some manners (netiquette) that would allow
you to participate in an unmoderated group without being a troll.
You are a self-proclaimed Christian, but can't stop
acting like a total ass.
Really, kboy!! If you atheists tried to respond, you attitude would be totally
different.
My advice is the same for you, Earl.
Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.
I have an engineering degree.

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Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.
I have an engineering degree.
That's as may be, and the more technically well-educated among us
here doubt that, based on what you post here.

In my day, and, I expect, in yours, also, universities had core
curricula such that anyone, even a engineering student, had to
study some history, philosophy, and the other "non-STEM" disciplines,
enough to be at least minimally conversant in what were called the
"liberal arts." One could go to a pure technical school, and avoid
all of that, but it wouldn't be in the great tradition of the Trivium
and the Quadrivium,* leading to the "Renaissance Man."

Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"

The engineering students at my university were taught these things
in addition to the underlying science and math upon which engineering
is based. You couldn't carry their slide rules or graphing calculators.

Kevin R

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivium

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrivium
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Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.
I have an engineering degree.
That's as may be, and the more technically well-educated among us
here doubt that, based on what you post here.
Then you're not too intelligent.
Post by Kevrob
In my day, and, I expect, in yours, also, universities had core
curricula such that anyone, even a engineering student, had to
study some history, philosophy, and the other "non-STEM" disciplines,
enough to be at least minimally conversant in what were called the
"liberal arts."
"That's as may be". But you're not an engineer. I did have history and other
"elective", but not philosophy. You future priests may have had to take one.
Post by Kevrob
One could go to a pure technical school, and avoid
all of that, but it wouldn't be in the great tradition of the Trivium
and the Quadrivium,* leading to the "Renaissance Man."
Screw the tradition. Look at what you became.
Post by Kevrob
Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"
Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering. What fruitloop school did you
attend?
Post by Kevrob
The engineering students at my university were taught these things
in addition to the underlying science and math upon which engineering
is based. You couldn't carry their slide rules or graphing calculators.
I hade my own slide rule. And knew how to use it.
Post by Kevrob
Kevin R
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivium
The trivium is the lower division of the seven liberal arts
Post by Kevrob
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrivium
The quadrivium (plural: quadrivia[1]) is the four subjects, or arts, taught
after teaching the trivium.

Maybe you should check out an engineering curriculum before opening your mouth.

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2018-06-29 20:29:09 UTC
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 07:57:15 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.
I have an engineering degree.
That's as may be, and the more technically well-educated among us
here doubt that, based on what you post here.
Then you're not too intelligent.
Post by Kevrob
In my day, and, I expect, in yours, also, universities had core
curricula such that anyone, even a engineering student, had to
study some history, philosophy, and the other "non-STEM" disciplines,
enough to be at least minimally conversant in what were called the
"liberal arts."
"That's as may be". But you're not an engineer. I did have history
and other "elective", but not philosophy. You future priests may have
had to take one.
Post by Kevrob
One could go to a pure technical school, and avoid
all of that, but it wouldn't be in the great tradition of the Trivium
and the Quadrivium,* leading to the "Renaissance Man."
Screw the tradition. Look at what you became.
Post by Kevrob
Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"
Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Really?

Prove it.
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Post by Kevrob
Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.
I have an engineering degree.
That's as may be, and the more technically well-educated among us
here doubt that, based on what you post here.
Then you're not too intelligent.
Post by Kevrob
In my day, and, I expect, in yours, also, universities had core
curricula such that anyone, even a engineering student, had to
study some history, philosophy, and the other "non-STEM" disciplines,
enough to be at least minimally conversant in what were called the
"liberal arts."
"That's as may be". But you're not an engineer. I did have history
and other "elective", but not philosophy. You future priests may have
had to take one.
Post by Kevrob
One could go to a pure technical school, and avoid
all of that, but it wouldn't be in the great tradition of the Trivium
and the Quadrivium,* leading to the "Renaissance Man."
Screw the tradition. Look at what you became.
Post by Kevrob
Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"
Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Really?
Prove it.
40+ years experience.
the dukester, American-American


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Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"
Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Really?
Prove it.
40+ years experience.
Nobody believe you Earl.

Atheists in alt.atheism aren't credulous the way
you are.

Kevin R
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Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"
Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Really?
Prove it.
40+ years experience.
Nobody believe you Earl.
God knows. All the people I worked with do.


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Post by Kevrob
Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.
I have an engineering degree.
That's as may be, and the more technically well-educated among us
here doubt that, based on what you post here.
Then you're not too intelligent.
Post by Kevrob
In my day, and, I expect, in yours, also, universities had core
curricula such that anyone, even a engineering student, had to
study some history, philosophy, and the other "non-STEM"
disciplines, enough to be at least minimally conversant in what were
called the "liberal arts."
"That's as may be". But you're not an engineer. I did have history
and other "elective", but not philosophy. You future priests may
have had to take one.
Post by Kevrob
One could go to a pure technical school, and avoid
all of that, but it wouldn't be in the great tradition of the
Trivium and the Quadrivium,* leading to the "Renaissance Man."
Screw the tradition. Look at what you became.
Post by Kevrob
Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"
Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Really?
Prove it.
40+ years experience.
That empty claim is not proof.
You claim you have a Bachelor of
Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Prove it.
Impossible. And it isn't that he's merely forgotten it. Duke's never
learned even the basics of mechanical engineering.
Kevrob
2018-06-30 19:01:31 UTC
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You claim you have a Bachelor of
Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Prove it.
Impossible. And it isn't that he's merely forgotten it. Duke's never
learned even the basics of mechanical engineering.
I have a theory: Earl played college football, or some other sport,
learned little and was given "gentleman's Cs" on his way to a degree
from some Louisiana state school with a name littered with initials.

Plausible?

Did he ever pass "professional engineer" exams?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_and_licensure_in_engineering

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_and_licensure_in_engineering#United_States

https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure/what-pe

Plenty of folks with engineering degrees don't take
those tests. it'd be more likely if he were a CE who
wanted to go into business for himself.

Kevin R
Street
2018-07-01 02:54:35 UTC
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Post by Street
You claim you have a Bachelor of
Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Prove it.
Impossible. And it isn't that he's merely forgotten it. Duke's never
learned even the basics of mechanical engineering.
I have a theory: Earl played college football, or some other sport,
learned little and was given "gentleman's Cs" on his way to a degree
from some Louisiana state school with a name littered with initials.
Plausible?
Yes, that may very well be at least similar to what happened.
Post by Kevrob
Did he ever pass "professional engineer" exams?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_and_licensure_in_engineering
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_and_licensure_in_engineering#United_States
https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure/what-pe
Plenty of folks with engineering degrees don't take
those tests. it'd be more likely if he were a CE who
wanted to go into business for himself.
Kevin R
I know he's never passed any of those exams.
duke
2018-07-01 15:16:54 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Post by Street
You claim you have a Bachelor of
Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Prove it.
Impossible. And it isn't that he's merely forgotten it. Duke's never
learned even the basics of mechanical engineering.
I have a theory: Earl played college football, or some other sport,
learned little and was given "gentleman's Cs" on his way to a degree
from some Louisiana state school with a name littered with initials.
Plausible?
Yes, that may very well be at least similar to what happened.
You just got out of an insane asylum. That may very well be a truthful
statement about you.

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duke
2018-07-01 15:15:55 UTC
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Post by Street
You claim you have a Bachelor of
Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Prove it.
Impossible. And it isn't that he's merely forgotten it. Duke's never
learned even the basics of mechanical engineering.
I have a theory: Earl played college football, or some other sport,
learned little and was given "gentleman's Cs"
Say, did you get "gentleman's Cs"?
Post by Kevrob
Plausible?
Did he ever pass "professional engineer" exams?
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duke
2018-07-01 15:12:49 UTC
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:29:09 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 07:57:15 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.
I have an engineering degree.
That's as may be, and the more technically well-educated among us
here doubt that, based on what you post here.
Then you're not too intelligent.
Post by Kevrob
In my day, and, I expect, in yours, also, universities had core
curricula such that anyone, even a engineering student, had to
study some history, philosophy, and the other "non-STEM"
disciplines, enough to be at least minimally conversant in what were
called the "liberal arts."
"That's as may be". But you're not an engineer. I did have history
and other "elective", but not philosophy. You future priests may
have had to take one.
Post by Kevrob
One could go to a pure technical school, and avoid
all of that, but it wouldn't be in the great tradition of the
Trivium and the Quadrivium,* leading to the "Renaissance Man."
Screw the tradition. Look at what you became.
Post by Kevrob
Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"
Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Really?
Prove it.
40+ years experience.
That empty claim is not proof.
You claim you have a Bachelor of
Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Prove it.
Impossible. And it isn't that he's merely forgotten it. Duke's never
learned even the basics of mechanical engineering.
Poor stupid fairy boy. Trying to operate well beyond the point of common
sense. If it's an outright lie, fairy boy will say it.

the dukester, American-American


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the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
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duke
2018-07-01 15:11:16 UTC
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:29:09 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 15:58:28 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 07:57:15 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.
I have an engineering degree.
That's as may be, and the more technically well-educated among us
here doubt that, based on what you post here.
Then you're not too intelligent.
Post by Kevrob
In my day, and, I expect, in yours, also, universities had core
curricula such that anyone, even a engineering student, had to
study some history, philosophy, and the other "non-STEM"
disciplines, enough to be at least minimally conversant in what were
called the "liberal arts."
"That's as may be". But you're not an engineer. I did have history
and other "elective", but not philosophy. You future priests may
have had to take one.
Post by Kevrob
One could go to a pure technical school, and avoid
all of that, but it wouldn't be in the great tradition of the
Trivium and the Quadrivium,* leading to the "Renaissance Man."
Screw the tradition. Look at what you became.
Post by Kevrob
Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"
Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Really?
Prove it.
40+ years experience.
That empty claim is not proof.
You claim you have a Bachelor of
Science in Mechanical Engineering.
Prove it.
Prove you're not dead.
the dukester, American-American


*****
The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
*****
Kevrob
2018-06-29 22:55:02 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.
I have an engineering degree.
That's as may be, and the more technically well-educated among us
here doubt that, based on what you post here.
Then you're not too intelligent.
The old, "you are dumb" retort! Not too compelling.
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
In my day, and, I expect, in yours, also, universities had core
curricula such that anyone, even a engineering student, had to
study some history, philosophy, and the other "non-STEM" disciplines,
enough to be at least minimally conversant in what were called the
"liberal arts."
"That's as may be". But you're not an engineer. I did have history and other
"elective", but not philosophy. You future priests may have had to take one.
1 elective? That would be "one other elective," or "another elective,"
if you wanted to pass your composition course.
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
One could go to a pure technical school, and avoid
all of that, but it wouldn't be in the great tradition of the Trivium
and the Quadrivium,* leading to the "Renaissance Man."
Screw the tradition. Look at what you became.
I'll let the others in the group judge who turned out the more
well-rounded human being.
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"
Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering. What fruitloop school did you attend?
I earned a Bachelor of Arts with majors in both political science
and history. I went to a Jesuit university in a large Midwestern city.
Most of the Jebby schools are in big towns. There are 28 of them
all over the country.
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
The engineering students at my university were taught these things
in addition to the underlying science and math upon which engineering
is based. You couldn't carry their slide rules or graphing calculators.
I hade my own slide rule. And knew how to use it.
Good for you. Kids in my high school taking physics used to have them.
Post by duke
Maybe you should check out an engineering curriculum before opening your mouth.
I was friends with several dorm mates who were in the Engine House.
A few were in Naval ROTC. I signed up for the military history
course they were required to take, and it counted towards my
major. Our school turned out Naval Officers who got accepted into
Admiral Rickover's nuclear power program. A graduate of my school
started one of the major companies making medical imaging tech.
We had CEs, and MEs and EEs of all kinds. My class year was
supposed to be 1978, but it took me longer to graduate due to a
hiatus caused by illness, but that would give you an idea of the
tech level the students would have been dealing with. Even
"humanities types" like me were introduced to using the school's
computers. We started out with Xerox/SDS Sigma 7s, and upgraded
to DEC Vax-11s. I even wound up with 6 credits of computer science
classes, from the early 1980s, a little Intro to Computer Programming
and Structured Programming (we learned Pascal) just to become more
well-rounded, and to fill out my resume.

See, that's what a "liberal arts" student does with electives. He
or she learns more than the bare minimum. I didn't have to take a
double major. I could have filled my transcript with the easiest
courses I could find, and slide through. What would be the point
of that? Besides, I enjoyed upper-division history courses.

You don'rt show much knowledge beyond your dubious engineering
credential, and you sure weren't taught HOW to think, the way
that our logic and philosophy instructors did.

Kevin R
Street
2018-06-29 23:49:37 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.
I have an engineering degree.
That's as may be, and the more technically well-educated among us
here doubt that, based on what you post here.
Then you're not too intelligent.
The old, "you are dumb" retort! Not too compelling.
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
In my day, and, I expect, in yours, also, universities had core
curricula such that anyone, even a engineering student, had to
study some history, philosophy, and the other "non-STEM" disciplines,
enough to be at least minimally conversant in what were called the
"liberal arts."
"That's as may be". But you're not an engineer. I did have history and other
"elective", but not philosophy. You future priests may have had to take one.
1 elective? That would be "one other elective," or "another elective,"
if you wanted to pass your composition course.
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
One could go to a pure technical school, and avoid
all of that, but it wouldn't be in the great tradition of the Trivium
and the Quadrivium,* leading to the "Renaissance Man."
Screw the tradition. Look at what you became.
I'll let the others in the group judge who turned out the more
well-rounded human being.
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"
Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering. What fruitloop school did you attend?
I earned a Bachelor of Arts with majors in both political science
and history. I went to a Jesuit university in a large Midwestern city.
Most of the Jebby schools are in big towns. There are 28 of them
all over the country.
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
The engineering students at my university were taught these things
in addition to the underlying science and math upon which engineering
is based. You couldn't carry their slide rules or graphing calculators.
I hade my own slide rule. And knew how to use it.
Good for you. Kids in my high school taking physics used to have them.
Post by duke
Maybe you should check out an engineering curriculum before opening your mouth.
I was friends with several dorm mates who were in the Engine House.
A few were in Naval ROTC. I signed up for the military history
course they were required to take, and it counted towards my
major. Our school turned out Naval Officers who got accepted into
Admiral Rickover's nuclear power program. A graduate of my school
started one of the major companies making medical imaging tech.
We had CEs, and MEs and EEs of all kinds. My class year was
supposed to be 1978, but it took me longer to graduate due to a
hiatus caused by illness, but that would give you an idea of the
tech level the students would have been dealing with. Even
"humanities types" like me were introduced to using the school's
computers. We started out with Xerox/SDS Sigma 7s, and upgraded
to DEC Vax-11s. I even wound up with 6 credits of computer science
classes, from the early 1980s, a little Intro to Computer Programming
and Structured Programming (we learned Pascal) just to become more
well-rounded, and to fill out my resume.
See, that's what a "liberal arts" student does with electives. He
or she learns more than the bare minimum. I didn't have to take a
double major. I could have filled my transcript with the easiest
courses I could find, and slide through. What would be the point
of that? Besides, I enjoyed upper-division history courses.
You don'rt show much knowledge beyond your dubious engineering
credential, and you sure weren't taught HOW to think, the way
that our logic and philosophy instructors did.
Kevin R
Duke's a complete fraud, Kevin. You know as much, or even more, about
engineering as he does.
Street
2018-06-30 18:18:38 UTC
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Duke's a complete fraud, Kevin. You know as much, or even more, about
engineering as he does.
About that pump, gobbler fairy.
the dukester, American-American
Exactly, that's a case in point. You know absolutely nothing about pump
mechanics, despite your claim of having been a pump engineer for 11 years.

But I'm willing to teach you. Right here. Are you interested?
Robert Carnegie
2018-06-30 21:15:00 UTC
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Post by Street
Duke's a complete fraud, Kevin. You know as much, or even more, about
engineering as he does.
About that pump, gobbler fairy.
the dukester, American-American
Exactly, that's a case in point. You know absolutely nothing about pump
mechanics, despite your claim of having been a pump engineer for 11 years.
But I'm willing to teach you. Right here. Are you interested?
But you have to charge, right?

May I suggest you don't give trolls lessons at all,
free or otherwise?
Street
2018-06-30 23:32:18 UTC
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Post by Street
Post by Street
Duke's a complete fraud, Kevin. You know as much, or even more, about
engineering as he does.
About that pump, gobbler fairy.
the dukester, American-American
Exactly, that's a case in point. You know absolutely nothing about pump
mechanics, despite your claim of having been a pump engineer for 11 years.
But I'm willing to teach you. Right here. Are you interested?
But you have to charge, right?
May I suggest you don't give trolls lessons at all,
free or otherwise?
LOL. Duke doesn't need trolling lessons, he's one of the most successful
trolls I've known.
duke
2018-07-01 15:19:42 UTC
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Post by Street
Post by Street
Duke's a complete fraud, Kevin. You know as much, or even more, about
engineering as he does.
About that pump, gobbler fairy.
the dukester, American-American
Exactly, that's a case in point. You know absolutely nothing about pump
mechanics, despite your claim of having been a pump engineer for 11 years.
But I'm willing to teach you. Right here. Are you interested?
But you have to charge, right?
Not really.
Post by Robert Carnegie
May I suggest you don't give trolls lessons at all,
free or otherwise?
Are you afraid you might be asked to participate?

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2018-07-01 01:14:31 UTC
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Post by Street
Duke's a complete fraud, Kevin. You know as much, or even more, about
engineering as he does.
About that pump, gobbler fairy.
the dukester, American-American
Exactly, that's a case in point. You know absolutely nothing about pump
mechanics, despite your claim of having been a pump engineer for 11 years.
But I'm willing to teach you. Right here. Are you interested?
Don't waste your time. He's ineducable.
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2018-07-01 02:54:40 UTC
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Post by Street
Post by Street
Duke's a complete fraud, Kevin. You know as much, or even more, about
engineering as he does.
About that pump, gobbler fairy.
the dukester, American-American
Exactly, that's a case in point. You know absolutely nothing about pump
mechanics, despite your claim of having been a pump engineer for 11 years.
But I'm willing to teach you. Right here. Are you interested?
Don't waste your time. He's ineducable.
You're right.
duke
2018-07-01 15:18:46 UTC
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Post by Street
Post by Street
Duke's a complete fraud, Kevin. You know as much, or even more, about
engineering as he does.
About that pump, gobbler fairy.
Exactly, that's a case in point. You know absolutely nothing about pump
mechanics, despite your claim of having been a pump engineer for 11 years.
But I'm willing to teach you. Right here. Are you interested?
Sure, go ahead.

the dukester, American-American


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duke
2018-06-30 16:39:59 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.
I have an engineering degree.
That's as may be, and the more technically well-educated among us
here doubt that, based on what you post here.
Then you're not too intelligent.
The old, "you are dumb" retort! Not too compelling.
But you see, you're not intelligent enough to discern.
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
In my day, and, I expect, in yours, also, universities had core
curricula such that anyone, even a engineering student, had to
study some history, philosophy, and the other "non-STEM" disciplines,
enough to be at least minimally conversant in what were called the
"liberal arts."
"That's as may be". But you're not an engineer. I did have history and other
"elective", but not philosophy. You future priests may have had to take one.
1 elective? That would be "one other elective," or "another elective,"
if you wanted to pass your composition course.
Electives.
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
One could go to a pure technical school, and avoid
all of that, but it wouldn't be in the great tradition of the Trivium
and the Quadrivium,* leading to the "Renaissance Man."
Screw the tradition. Look at what you became.
I'll let the others in the group judge who turned out the more
well-rounded human being.
I haven't found one of those in this group - with the exception of very few, all
God haters.
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"
Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering. What fruitloop school did you attend?
I earned a Bachelor of Arts with majors in both political science
and history. I went to a Jesuit university in a large Midwestern city.
Most of the Jebby schools are in big towns. There are 28 of them
all over the country.
So?
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
The engineering students at my university were taught these things
in addition to the underlying science and math upon which engineering
is based. You couldn't carry their slide rules or graphing calculators.
I hade my own slide rule. And knew how to use it.
Good for you. Kids in my high school taking physics used to have them.
Yep, calculators were a bit off yet.
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Maybe you should check out an engineering curriculum before opening your mouth.
I was friends with several dorm mates who were in the Engine House.
A few were in Naval ROTC. I signed up for the military history
course they were required to take, and it counted towards my
major. Our school turned out Naval Officers who got accepted into
Admiral Rickover's nuclear power program. A graduate of my school
started one of the major companies making medical imaging tech.
We had CEs, and MEs and EEs of all kinds. My class year was
supposed to be 1978, but it took me longer to graduate due to a
hiatus caused by illness, but that would give you an idea of the
tech level the students would have been dealing with. Even
"humanities types" like me were introduced to using the school's
computers. We started out with Xerox/SDS Sigma 7s, and upgraded
to DEC Vax-11s. I even wound up with 6 credits of computer science
classes, from the early 1980s, a little Intro to Computer Programming
and Structured Programming (we learned Pascal) just to become more
well-rounded, and to fill out my resume.
See, that's what a "liberal arts" student does with electives.
See, I was an engineering student having to take electives.
Post by Kevrob
You don'rt show much knowledge beyond your dubious engineering
credential, and you sure weren't taught HOW to think, the way
that our logic and philosophy instructors did.
Well, look at it this way - you're not qualified to judge engineers just like
I'm not qualified to judge lib arts.
Post by Kevrob
Kevin R
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2018-06-30 18:18:33 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Curdles, at least, shows knowledge of history and culture.
He's a troll, but unlike you he isn't a barely educated lout.
I have an engineering degree.
That's as may be, and the more technically well-educated among us
here doubt that, based on what you post here.
Then you're not too intelligent.
The old, "you are dumb" retort! Not too compelling.
But you see, you're not intelligent enough to discern.
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
In my day, and, I expect, in yours, also, universities had core
curricula such that anyone, even a engineering student, had to
study some history, philosophy, and the other "non-STEM" disciplines,
enough to be at least minimally conversant in what were called the
"liberal arts."
"That's as may be". But you're not an engineer. I did have history and other
"elective", but not philosophy. You future priests may have had to take one.
1 elective? That would be "one other elective," or "another elective,"
if you wanted to pass your composition course.
Electives.
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
One could go to a pure technical school, and avoid
all of that, but it wouldn't be in the great tradition of the Trivium
and the Quadrivium,* leading to the "Renaissance Man."
Screw the tradition. Look at what you became.
I'll let the others in the group judge who turned out the more
well-rounded human being.
I haven't found one of those in this group - with the exception of very few, all
God haters.
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
Did you have to take a course or two in art and/or music? In both
composition and literature? Did you study any poetry, any drama,
any Great Books, or was it all just "jumped up plumbing?"
Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering. What fruitloop school did you attend?
I earned a Bachelor of Arts with majors in both political science
and history. I went to a Jesuit university in a large Midwestern city.
Most of the Jebby schools are in big towns. There are 28 of them
all over the country.
So?
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
The engineering students at my university were taught these things
in addition to the underlying science and math upon which engineering
is based. You couldn't carry their slide rules or graphing calculators.
I hade my own slide rule. And knew how to use it.
Good for you. Kids in my high school taking physics used to have them.
Yep, calculators were a bit off yet.
Post by Kevrob
Post by duke
Maybe you should check out an engineering curriculum before opening your mouth.
I was friends with several dorm mates who were in the Engine House.
A few were in Naval ROTC. I signed up for the military history
course they were required to take, and it counted towards my
major. Our school turned out Naval Officers who got accepted into
Admiral Rickover's nuclear power program. A graduate of my school
started one of the major companies making medical imaging tech.
We had CEs, and MEs and EEs of all kinds. My class year was
supposed to be 1978, but it took me longer to graduate due to a
hiatus caused by illness, but that would give you an idea of the
tech level the students would have been dealing with. Even
"humanities types" like me were introduced to using the school's
computers. We started out with Xerox/SDS Sigma 7s, and upgraded
to DEC Vax-11s. I even wound up with 6 credits of computer science
classes, from the early 1980s, a little Intro to Computer Programming
and Structured Programming (we learned Pascal) just to become more
well-rounded, and to fill out my resume.
See, that's what a "liberal arts" student does with electives.
See, I was an engineering student having to take electives.
Post by Kevrob
You don'rt show much knowledge beyond your dubious engineering
credential, and you sure weren't taught HOW to think, the way
that our logic and philosophy instructors did.
Well, look at it this way - you're not qualified to judge engineers just like
I'm not qualified to judge lib arts.
I and several others in this group, who are qualified to judge, *know* that
you're not an engineer.
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What you need is a *moderated* atheist newsgroup.
Go there.
What you need is some manners (netiquette) that would allow
you to participate in an unmoderated group without being a troll.
You are a self-proclaimed Christian, but can't stop
acting like a total ass.
Really, kboy!! If you atheists tried to respond, you attitude would be totally
different.
the dukester, American-American
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Keep in mind, if the theophobes in this group like Kev don't have a rational answer to a challenge they can always signal their 'virtue' by claiming we're only 'trolls' anyway and who cares.
duke
2018-06-26 20:47:42 UTC
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What you need is a *moderated* atheist newsgroup.
Go there.
What you need is some manners (netiquette) that would allow
you to participate in an unmoderated group without being a troll.
You are a self-proclaimed Christian, but can't stop
acting like a total ass.
Really, kboy!! If you atheists tried to respond, you attitude would be totally
different.
the dukester, American-American
*****
The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
*****
Keep in mind, if the theophobes in this group like Kev don't have a rational answer to a challenge they can always signal their 'virtue' by claiming we're only 'trolls' anyway and who cares.
And of course nobody cares about them as long as they themselves don't care.

the dukester, American-American


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2018-06-17 19:50:51 UTC
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What you need is a *moderated* atheist newsgroup.
Go there.
What you need is some manners (netiquette) that would allow
you to participate in an unmoderated group without being a troll.
You are a self-proclaimed Christian, but can't stop
acting like a total ass.
[quote]
Whatever place does not welcome you or listen to you, leave
there and shake the dust off your feet in testimony against them.”
[/quote] - http://biblehub.com/mark/6-11.htm Mark 6:11
Get shakin'
Kevin R
Isn't acting like a total ass in the job descriptions of self-proclaimed
Christians?
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2018-06-17 23:18:32 UTC
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What you need is a *moderated* atheist newsgroup.
Go there.
What you need is some manners (netiquette) that would allow you to
participate in an unmoderated group without being a troll.
You are a self-proclaimed Christian, but can't stop acting like a total
ass.
[quote]
Whatever place does not welcome you or listen to you, leave there and
shake the dust off your feet in testimony against them.”
[/quote] - http://biblehub.com/mark/6-11.htm Mark 6:11
Get shakin'
Isn't acting like a total ass in the job descriptions of self-proclaimed
Christians?
Sure is. It's probably mandated in the bible.
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2018-06-17 23:24:18 UTC
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Isn't acting like a total ass in the job descriptions of self-proclaimed
Christians?
It doesn't seem to be for all of them. Do any Quaker
(Society of Friends) trolls come to mind? Any
"militant Unitarians?" Spambot Mennonites?
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Sure is. It's probably mandated in the bible.
Anybody can find any mandate they want to find in those books.

Kevin R
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What you need is a *moderated* atheist newsgroup.
Go there.
What you need is some manners (netiquette) that would allow you to
participate in an unmoderated group without being a troll.
You are a self-proclaimed Christian, but can't stop acting like a total
ass.
[quote]
Whatever place does not welcome you or listen to you, leave there and
shake the dust off your feet in testimony against them.”
[/quote] - http://biblehub.com/mark/6-11.htm Mark 6:11
Get shakin'
Isn't acting like a total ass in the job descriptions of self-proclaimed
Christians?
Sure is. It's probably mandated in the bible.
I think they call it , "The Great Commossion."
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2018-06-11 21:49:54 UTC
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
I'm sure the book has some interest but probably only for those either specializing in the late classical age or those specializing in hate for Christianity like Kev.
Not to justify it, but desecration of inscriptions and images goes back thousands of years. It was a way of controlling history to break up busts of your rivals and scratch away their names from monuments.
I like Bettany Hughes a lot and have read all her books, including her latest about one of my favorite cities, Istanbul. However, she does sometimes stub her toe stepping over PC topics.
For sure, we cannot expect a similar book to be written about how Islam also helped destroy the Classical world nor would I expect Hughes to review it.
In our world, it could result in dangerous threats being made against author, publisher and reviewer to say nothing of accusations in the UK of Islamophobia and legal action.
For Christians, there'll be nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders because of this book.
It's a cookbook!

How would Islam destroy "the classical world"
if Christianity destroyed it already?
Let Cosby Go-Justice Must Not Enable Sluts
2018-06-11 21:56:31 UTC
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
I'm sure the book has some interest but probably only for those either specializing in the late classical age or those specializing in hate for Christianity like Kev.
Not to justify it, but desecration of inscriptions and images goes back thousands of years. It was a way of controlling history to break up busts of your rivals and scratch away their names from monuments.
I like Bettany Hughes a lot and have read all her books, including her latest about one of my favorite cities, Istanbul. However, she does sometimes stub her toe stepping over PC topics.
For sure, we cannot expect a similar book to be written about how Islam also helped destroy the Classical world nor would I expect Hughes to review it.
In our world, it could result in dangerous threats being made against author, publisher and reviewer to say nothing of accusations in the UK of Islamophobia and legal action.
For Christians, there'll be nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders because of this book.
It's a cookbook!
How would Islam destroy "the classical world"
if Christianity destroyed it already?
Islam can be easily converted into Hebraic Christianity just like you convert your car If you know which button to press.
That said, Islam dealt with polytheism is the Orient while Catholicism - not papal Catholicism- dealt with the imperial cult and other form of idolatry in the West.
Therefore your question shows a misunderstanding of the line of demarcation
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2018-06-11 23:06:19 UTC
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Islam can be easily converted into Hebraic Christianity just like you convert your car If you know which button to press.
Bond? James Bond? Is that you?
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
I'm sure the book has some interest but probably only for those either specializing in the late classical age or those specializing in hate for Christianity like Kev.
Not to justify it, but desecration of inscriptions and images goes back thousands of years. It was a way of controlling history to break up busts of your rivals and scratch away their names from monuments.
I like Bettany Hughes a lot and have read all her books, including her latest about one of my favorite cities, Istanbul. However, she does sometimes stub her toe stepping over PC topics.
For sure, we cannot expect a similar book to be written about how Islam also helped destroy the Classical world nor would I expect Hughes to review it.
In our world, it could result in dangerous threats being made against author, publisher and reviewer to say nothing of accusations in the UK of Islamophobia and legal action.
For Christians, there'll be nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders because of this book.
It's a cookbook!
How would Islam destroy "the classical world"
if Christianity destroyed it already?
Lots of ways but you can start with the destruction of the Eastern Roman Empire in 1453 by the Ottomans.

Want more?


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2018-06-11 23:12:37 UTC
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
I'm sure the book has some interest but probably only for those either specializing in the late classical age or those specializing in hate for Christianity like Kev.
Not to justify it, but desecration of inscriptions and images goes back thousands of years. It was a way of controlling history to break up busts of your rivals and scratch away their names from monuments.
I like Bettany Hughes a lot and have read all her books, including her latest about one of my favorite cities, Istanbul. However, she does sometimes stub her toe stepping over PC topics.
For sure, we cannot expect a similar book to be written about how Islam also helped destroy the Classical world nor would I expect Hughes to review it.
In our world, it could result in dangerous threats being made against author, publisher and reviewer to say nothing of accusations in the UK of Islamophobia and legal action.
For Christians, there'll be nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders because of this book.
It's a cookbook!
How would Islam destroy "the classical world"
if Christianity destroyed it already?
Lots of ways but you can start with the destruction of the Eastern Roman Empire in 1453 by the Ottomans.
Yeah... wasn't that what started "The Renaissance"?
I seem to recall.
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Want more?
http://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
I'm sure the book has some interest but probably only for those either specializing in the late classical age or those specializing in hate for Christianity like Kev.
Not to justify it, but desecration of inscriptions and images goes back thousands of years. It was a way of controlling history to break up busts of your rivals and scratch away their names from monuments.
I like Bettany Hughes a lot and have read all her books, including her latest about one of my favorite cities, Istanbul. However, she does sometimes stub her toe stepping over PC topics.
For sure, we cannot expect a similar book to be written about how Islam also helped destroy the Classical world nor would I expect Hughes to review it.
In our world, it could result in dangerous threats being made against author, publisher and reviewer to say nothing of accusations in the UK of Islamophobia and legal action.
For Christians, there'll be nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders because of this book.
It's a cookbook!
How would Islam destroy "the classical world"
if Christianity destroyed it already?
Lots of ways but you can start with the destruction of the Eastern Roman Empire in 1453 by the Ottomans.
Yeah... wasn't that what started "The Renaissance"?
I seem to recall.
Is that what your middle school history teacher told you?

How simplistic.
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2018-06-12 19:15:12 UTC
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
I'm sure the book has some interest but probably only for those either specializing in the late classical age or those specializing in hate for Christianity like Kev.
Not to justify it, but desecration of inscriptions and images goes back thousands of years. It was a way of controlling history to break up busts of your rivals and scratch away their names from monuments.
I like Bettany Hughes a lot and have read all her books, including her latest about one of my favorite cities, Istanbul. However, she does sometimes stub her toe stepping over PC topics.
For sure, we cannot expect a similar book to be written about how Islam also helped destroy the Classical world nor would I expect Hughes to review it.
In our world, it could result in dangerous threats being made against author, publisher and reviewer to say nothing of accusations in the UK of Islamophobia and legal action.
For Christians, there'll be nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders because of this book.
It's a cookbook!
How would Islam destroy "the classical world"
if Christianity destroyed it already?
Lots of ways but you can start with the destruction of the Eastern Roman Empire in 1453 by the Ottomans.
Yeah... wasn't that what started "The Renaissance"?
I seem to recall.
Is that what your middle school history teacher told you?
How simplistic.
Oh, and The Reformation.
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2018-06-12 23:23:23 UTC
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Yeah... wasn't that what started "The Renaissance"?
I seem to recall.
Is that what your middle school history teacher told you?
How simplistic.
Oh, and The Reformation.
Don't forget the Enlightenment, the Age of Discovery and the
Industrial Revolution.

Kevin R
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Yeah... wasn't that what started "The Renaissance"?
I seem to recall.
Is that what your middle school history teacher told you?
How simplistic.
Oh, and The Reformation.
Don't forget the Enlightenment, the Age of Discovery and the
Industrial Revolution.
Yeah, and the assassination of the archduke, the Battle of the Somme, the Russian revolution, the rise of fascism and the reign of atheist mass murderers in the mid-20th century.

All owed to Mehmed II. Remarkable.
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
I bought me a copy from a local Barnes Noble and I have been reading it until I get tired of her encomium for the temple of Serapis in Alexandria. Likely to pick up where I left off soon.
Please don't let her fool the simpleton in you.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
And the author lied about her family background too; Her father is believed to be a former monk and her mother a former nun just to claim as qualification which she lacks in real life. Hmmmmm.....Atheists make things up when they have no credentials to show.
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
And the author lied about her family background too; Her father is believed to be a former monk and her mother a former nun just to claim as qualification which she lacks in real life. Hmmmmm.....Atheists make things up when they have no credentials to show.
You go argue with the Times (the one from London, England) and
Auntie Beeb, Cody.

You could restrict your being egregiously wrong to a small number
of weird points. You don't have to be wrong about everything.

Kevin R
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
And the author lied about her family background too; Her father is believed to be a former monk and her mother a former nun just to claim as qualification which she lacks in real life. Hmmmmm.....Atheists make things up when they have no credentials to show.
You go argue with the Times (the one from London, England) and
Auntie Beeb, Cody.
You could restrict your being egregiously wrong to a small number
of weird points. You don't have to be wrong about everything.
Wrong about what? Please elaborate on that
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THE DARKENING AGE
The Christian Destruction of the Classical World
By Catherine Nixey
Illustrated. 315 pp.
Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/books/review/catherine-nixey-darkening-age.html
How Christians Destroyed the Ancient World
FYI.
Kevin R
And the author lied about her family background too; Her father is believed to be a former monk and her mother a former nun just to claim as qualification which she lacks in real life. Hmmmmm.....Atheists make things up when they have no credentials to show.
You go argue with the Times (the one from London, England) and
Auntie Beeb, Cody.
You could restrict your being egregiously wrong to a small number
of weird points. You don't have to be wrong about everything.
Wrong about what? Please elaborate on that
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Kevin R
everything ,

PRONOUN
all things; all the things of a group or class.
"he taught me everything I know" · [more]
synonyms: each item · each thing · every article · every single thing ·
the lot · [more]
all things of importance; a great deal.
"I lost everything in the crash" · [more]
the most important thing or aspect.
"money isn't everything"
the current situation; life in general.
"how's everything?" · [more]
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It is obviously just atheistic
lying. How can anybody be so dumb
not to see that?
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