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Why Single Payer Health Care Is So Popular
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Adam A. Wanderer
2017-04-16 23:32:22 UTC
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And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
despite all the lies dreamed up by right wing nuts:

<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>

<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
Adam A. Wanderer
2017-04-16 23:47:32 UTC
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wro
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcar
e-s
ystem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit
for free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
oth
er country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/e
n/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer
, costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan
doesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer
covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
mont
hs on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
MRIs and knee replacements are available as private services as well
in single payer systems. You know fuck all about how a single payer
system works and you prove it with every brain-dead thing you say.
Good points:

<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>

<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
Ted
2017-04-17 00:29:28 UTC
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Post by Adam A. Wanderer
wro
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcar
e-s
ystem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit
for free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
oth
er country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/e
n/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer
, costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan
doesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer
covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
mont
hs on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
MRIs and knee replacements are available as private services as well
in single payer systems. You know fuck all about how a single payer
system works and you prove it with every brain-dead thing you say.
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
Single payer will let the secular humanists infect the healthcare system.
We can't allow that.
Kenny McCormack
2017-04-18 12:16:17 UTC
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In article <530750550514081351.660202Sam.M.Tedesco-***@news.easynews.com>,
Ted <***@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Post by Ted
Single payer will let the secular humanists infect the healthcare system.
We can't allow that.
I wish so-called "Christians" would realize that if they get sick (or
worse), it was God's Will that that happen, and that they have no business
interfering with that. They should just accept their fate and die already.

Then the rest of us will be able to implement real health care/healh
insurance and get on with our lives.
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2017-04-18 12:21:47 UTC
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Post by Kenny McCormack
...
Post by Ted
Single payer will let the secular humanists infect the healthcare system.
We can't allow that.
I wish so-called "Christians" would realize that if they get sick (or
worse), it was God's Will that that happen, and that they have no business
interfering with that. They should just accept their fate and die already.
Then the rest of us will be able to implement real health care/healh
insurance and get on with our lives.
Real healthcare != government-run healthcare.

Government-run healthcare = death.


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Post by Don Kresch
Post by Kenny McCormack
...
Post by Ted
Single payer will let the secular humanists infect the healthcare system.
We can't allow that.
I wish so-called "Christians" would realize that if they get sick (or
worse), it was God's Will that that happen, and that they have no business
interfering with that. They should just accept their fate and die already.
Then the rest of us will be able to implement real health care/healh
insurance and get on with our lives.
Real healthcare != government-run healthcare.
Government-run healthcare = death.
Good answer.... Good answer....
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2017-04-19 03:50:36 UTC
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Post by Don Kresch
Post by Kenny McCormack
...
Post by Ted
Single payer will let the secular humanists infect the healthcare system.
We can't allow that.
I wish so-called "Christians" would realize that if they get sick (or
worse), it was God's Will that that happen, and that they have no business
interfering with that. They should just accept their fate and die already.
Then the rest of us will be able to implement real health care/healh
insurance and get on with our lives.
Real healthcare != government-run healthcare.
Government-run healthcare = death.
Everything is simple to the simpletons...
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Don Kresch
2017-04-17 12:23:57 UTC
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On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.


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Post by Don Kresch
On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.
And Medicare makes you pay for their Medicare with a monthly premium and
then on top of that you end up needing supplemental insurance to cover
what Medicare won't pay for.
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Post by Don Kresch
On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.
And Medicare makes you pay for their Medicare with a monthly premium and
then on top of that you end up needing supplemental insurance to cover
what Medicare won't pay for.
So?
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On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.
And Medicare makes you pay for their Medicare with a monthly premium and
then on top of that you end up needing supplemental insurance to cover
what Medicare won't pay for. And there is plenty they don't pay for.

The VA will let you die while on a list....

This Liberal idea that government health care can be free and efficient
is a lie. All the previous attempts just keep getting more expensive
and giving less care and less quality.

Doctors all want to send their kids to college and retire to a nice
place but they can't really do that on a government salary so why would
they stay a doctor when they can make more money in Internet Technology
at Google or FaceBook or some other start up? You will lose the best and
the brightest as they can make more money for that retirement and the
kids college, at a private sector job. The best and the brightest like
to be compensated for their talents like Madonna that wants to make
millions rather than become a nurse and clean bed pans.
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On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.
And Medicare makes you pay for their Medicare with a monthly premium
and then on top of that you end up needing supplemental insurance to
cover what Medicare won't pay for. And there is plenty they don't pay
for.
The VA will let you die while on a list....
This Liberal idea that government health care can be free and
efficient is a lie. All the previous attempts just keep getting more
expensive and giving less care and less quality.
Doctors all want to send their kids to college and retire to a nice
place but they can't really do that on a government salary so why
would they stay a doctor when they can make more money in Internet
Technology at Google or FaceBook or some other start up? You will lose
the best and the brightest as they can make more money for that
retirement and the kids college, at a private sector job.
Funny that medical schools in "socialized medicine"
countries have all the applicants they can handle, PLUS
doctors from third countries trying to move there.

Perhaps you are........WRONG?
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On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.
And Medicare makes you pay for their Medicare with a monthly premium
and then on top of that you end up needing supplemental insurance to
cover what Medicare won't pay for. And there is plenty they don't pay
for.
The VA will let you die while on a list....
This Liberal idea that government health care can be free and
efficient is a lie. All the previous attempts just keep getting more
expensive and giving less care and less quality.
Doctors all want to send their kids to college and retire to a nice
place but they can't really do that on a government salary so why
would they stay a doctor when they can make more money in Internet
Technology at Google or FaceBook or some other start up? You will lose
the best and the brightest as they can make more money for that
retirement and the kids college, at a private sector job.
Funny that medical schools in "socialized medicine"
countries have all the applicants they can handle, PLUS
doctors from third countries trying to move there.
Perhaps you are........WRONG?
Perhaps I am correct and they are incompetent like I suggested. Those
people do seem to have people coming to the United States for better
doctors with more expertise.

The better doctors are where they are paid for their skills, where you
seek mediocrity and want to limit their income and create a National
health system we find they move to drug companies and research were they
can get paid what they are worth for creating drugs that treat symptoms
but NOT cures. They want you to keep buying the drugs like a heroin
dealer.
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On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.
And Medicare makes you pay for their Medicare with a monthly premium
and then on top of that you end up needing supplemental insurance to
cover what Medicare won't pay for. And there is plenty they don't pay
for.
The VA will let you die while on a list....
This Liberal idea that government health care can be free and
efficient is a lie. All the previous attempts just keep getting more
expensive and giving less care and less quality.
Doctors all want to send their kids to college and retire to a nice
place but they can't really do that on a government salary so why
would they stay a doctor when they can make more money in Internet
Technology at Google or FaceBook or some other start up? You will lose
the best and the brightest as they can make more money for that
retirement and the kids college, at a private sector job.
Funny that medical schools in "socialized medicine"
countries have all the applicants they can handle, PLUS
doctors from third countries trying to move there.
Perhaps you are........WRONG?
Perhaps I am correct and they are incompetent like I suggested. Those
people do seem to have people coming to the United States for better
doctors with more expertise.
The better doctors are where they are paid for their skills, where you
seek mediocrity and want to limit their income and create a National
health system we find they move to drug companies and research were they
can get paid what they are worth for creating drugs that treat symptoms
but NOT cures. They want you to keep buying the drugs like a heroin
dealer.
You think America has a monopoly on competent
doctors because the pay scales are higher? Really?
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On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
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And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.
And Medicare makes you pay for their Medicare with a monthly premium
and then on top of that you end up needing supplemental insurance to
cover what Medicare won't pay for. And there is plenty they don't pay
for.
The VA will let you die while on a list....
This Liberal idea that government health care can be free and
efficient is a lie. All the previous attempts just keep getting more
expensive and giving less care and less quality.
Doctors all want to send their kids to college and retire to a nice
place but they can't really do that on a government salary so why
would they stay a doctor when they can make more money in Internet
Technology at Google or FaceBook or some other start up? You will
lose
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the best and the brightest as they can make more money for that
retirement and the kids college, at a private sector job.
Funny that medical schools in "socialized medicine"
countries have all the applicants they can handle, PLUS
doctors from third countries trying to move there.
Perhaps you are........WRONG?
Perhaps I am correct and they are incompetent like I suggested. Those
people do seem to have people coming to the United States for better
doctors with more expertise.
The better doctors are where they are paid for their skills, where you
seek mediocrity and want to limit their income and create a National
health system we find they move to drug companies and research were
they
Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
can get paid what they are worth for creating drugs that treat symptoms
but NOT cures. They want you to keep buying the drugs like a heroin
dealer.
You think America has a monopoly on competent
doctors because the pay scales are higher? Really?
.
No, I don't. Other first world countries have excellent doctors.

Health care is like a sign that I saw in a restaurant:

Great Food;
Fast Service;
Low Prices;
... Pick any TWO.

Canada has chosen "Great Food" and "Low Prices". ... at a huge sacrifice
of "Fast Service"

The Ontario wait time for a knee replacement is a *painful* 261 days.[1]

The United States has chosen "Great Food" and "Fast Service" ... at a
huge sacrifice of "Low Prices".

I would choose great food and fast service when it comes to health care.

citations:
1.
http://www.ontariowaittimes.com/Surgerydi/en/Data.aspx?view=0&Type=0&Modality=2&ModalityType=3&city=ottawa&pc=&dist=0&hosptID=0&str=&period=0&expand=0


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On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
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And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.
And Medicare makes you pay for their Medicare with a monthly premium
and then on top of that you end up needing supplemental insurance to
cover what Medicare won't pay for. And there is plenty they don't pay
for.
The VA will let you die while on a list....
This Liberal idea that government health care can be free and
efficient is a lie. All the previous attempts just keep getting more
expensive and giving less care and less quality.
Doctors all want to send their kids to college and retire to a nice
place but they can't really do that on a government salary so why
would they stay a doctor when they can make more money in Internet
Technology at Google or FaceBook or some other start up? You will
lose
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the best and the brightest as they can make more money for that
retirement and the kids college, at a private sector job.
Funny that medical schools in "socialized medicine"
countries have all the applicants they can handle, PLUS
doctors from third countries trying to move there.
Perhaps you are........WRONG?
Perhaps I am correct and they are incompetent like I suggested. Those
people do seem to have people coming to the United States for better
doctors with more expertise.
The better doctors are where they are paid for their skills, where you
seek mediocrity and want to limit their income and create a National
health system we find they move to drug companies and research were
they
Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
can get paid what they are worth for creating drugs that treat symptoms
but NOT cures. They want you to keep buying the drugs like a heroin
dealer.
You think America has a monopoly on competent
doctors because the pay scales are higher? Really?
.
No, I don't. Other first world countries have excellent doctors.
Great Food;
Fast Service;
Low Prices;
... Pick any TWO.
Canada has chosen "Great Food" and "Low Prices". ... at a huge sacrifice
of "Fast Service"
The Ontario wait time for a knee replacement is a *painful* 261 days.[1]
I waited 6 months for my hip replacement. Right here in the United States. With superior health insurance.
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On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
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And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.
And Medicare makes you pay for their Medicare with a monthly premium
and then on top of that you end up needing supplemental insurance to
cover what Medicare won't pay for. And there is plenty they don't pay
for.
The VA will let you die while on a list....
This Liberal idea that government health care can be free and
efficient is a lie. All the previous attempts just keep getting more
expensive and giving less care and less quality.
Doctors all want to send their kids to college and retire to a nice
place but they can't really do that on a government salary so why
would they stay a doctor when they can make more money in Internet
Technology at Google or FaceBook or some other start up? You will
lose
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the best and the brightest as they can make more money for that
retirement and the kids college, at a private sector job.
Funny that medical schools in "socialized medicine"
countries have all the applicants they can handle, PLUS
doctors from third countries trying to move there.
Perhaps you are........WRONG?
Perhaps I am correct and they are incompetent like I suggested. Those
people do seem to have people coming to the United States for better
doctors with more expertise.
The better doctors are where they are paid for their skills, where you
seek mediocrity and want to limit their income and create a National
health system we find they move to drug companies and research were
they
Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
can get paid what they are worth for creating drugs that treat symptoms
but NOT cures. They want you to keep buying the drugs like a heroin
dealer.
You think America has a monopoly on competent
doctors because the pay scales are higher? Really?
Because of freedom to seek a successful career what ever the reason....
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On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
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And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.
And Medicare makes you pay for their Medicare with a monthly premium
and then on top of that you end up needing supplemental insurance to
cover what Medicare won't pay for. And there is plenty they don't pay
for.
The VA will let you die while on a list....
This Liberal idea that government health care can be free and
efficient is a lie. All the previous attempts just keep getting more
expensive and giving less care and less quality.
Doctors all want to send their kids to college and retire to a nice
place but they can't really do that on a government salary so why
would they stay a doctor when they can make more money in Internet
Technology at Google or FaceBook or some other start up? You will
lose
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the best and the brightest as they can make more money for that
retirement and the kids college, at a private sector job.
Funny that medical schools in "socialized medicine"
countries have all the applicants they can handle, PLUS
doctors from third countries trying to move there.
Perhaps you are........WRONG?
Perhaps I am correct and they are incompetent like I suggested. Those
people do seem to have people coming to the United States for better
doctors with more expertise.
The better doctors are where they are paid for their skills, where you
seek mediocrity and want to limit their income and create a National
health system we find they move to drug companies and research were
they
Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
can get paid what they are worth for creating drugs that treat symptoms
but NOT cures. They want you to keep buying the drugs like a heroin
dealer.
You think America has a monopoly on competent
doctors because the pay scales are higher? Really?
Because of freedom to seek a successful career what ever the reason....
Why do you think a successful career is about money?
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On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
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And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.
And Medicare makes you pay for their Medicare with a monthly premium
and then on top of that you end up needing supplemental insurance to
cover what Medicare won't pay for. And there is plenty they don't pay
for.
The VA will let you die while on a list....
This Liberal idea that government health care can be free and
efficient is a lie. All the previous attempts just keep getting more
expensive and giving less care and less quality.
Doctors all want to send their kids to college and retire to a nice
place but they can't really do that on a government salary so why
would they stay a doctor when they can make more money in Internet
Technology at Google or FaceBook or some other start up? You will lose
the best and the brightest as they can make more money for that
retirement and the kids college, at a private sector job.
Funny that medical schools in "socialized medicine"
countries have all the applicants they can handle, PLUS
doctors from third countries trying to move there.
Perhaps you are........WRONG?
Perhaps I am correct and they are incompetent like I suggested. Those
people do seem to have people coming to the United States for better
doctors with more expertise.
That's not why people come to the US for treatment.

What a stupid lie.
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Post by Don Kresch
On 16 Apr 2017 23:32:22 GMT, "Adam A. Wanderer"
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
No, neither of them work fine, despite the lies dreamed up by
economically illiterate ignoramuses.
And Medicare makes you pay for their Medicare with a monthly premium and
then on top of that you end up needing supplemental insurance to cover
what Medicare won't pay for. And there is plenty they don't pay for.
You want to spend more government money? I thought your type was in favor of personal responsibility.
Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
The VA will let you die while on a list....
The vets are strongly mobilized. They will not allow themselves to be destroyed.
Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
This Liberal idea that government health care can be free and efficient
is a lie.
What liberals have ever said anything like this?
Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
All the previous attempts just keep getting more expensive
and giving less care and less quality.
What previous attempts?
Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
Doctors all want to send their kids to college and retire to a nice
place but they can't really do that on a government salary so why would
they stay a doctor when they can make more money in Internet Technology
at Google or FaceBook or some other start up?
Do you really want a doctor who's only in it for the money??????
Post by #BeamMeUpScotty
You will lose the best and
the brightest as they can make more money for that retirement and the
kids college, at a private sector job. The best and the brightest like
to be compensated for their talents like Madonna that wants to make
millions rather than become a nurse and clean bed pans.
How did Madonna get into this conversation?
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2017-04-17 13:39:13 UTC
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And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
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The reason people like Canada's single payer health care is because they
DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS!


Your citation FAILED to dispute Yak's claim that you have to be
waiting for months on end" for an MRI:

The Ontario TARGET is 28 days; ACTUALITY is well over THREE MONTHS (102
days)

Your Ontario DOG can get an MRI (private sector veterinarians) faster
than a HUMAN under Canada's single payer system.

http://www.ontariowaittimes.com/Surgerydi/en/Data.aspx?view=0&Type=0&Modality=3&ModalityType=4&city=ottawa&pc=&dist=0&hosptID=0&str=&period=0&expand=0


Your citation FAILED to dispute Yak's claim that you have to be
waiting for months on end" for a hip or knee replacement:

The Ontario TARGET for a hip replacement is a deplorable HALF A YEAR
(182 days); ACTUALITY is even WORSE at 233 days!

http://www.ontariowaittimes.com/Surgerydi/en/Data.aspx?view=0&Type=0&Modality=2&ModalityType=2&city=ottawa&pc=&dist=0&hosptID=0&str=&period=0&expand=0

The Ontario Wait time for KNEE replacement is EVEN WORSE at 261 DAYS!!!

http://www.ontariowaittimes.com/Surgerydi/en/Data.aspx?view=0&Type=0&Modality=2&ModalityType=3&city=ottawa&pc=&dist=0&hosptID=0&str=&period=0&expand=0


Waiting in PAIN for months on end is not a concern with single-payer
health care.
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Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're
covered. Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get
cast aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer
will be a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the
concept of single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam
health care and don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You
moochers are something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
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The reason people like Canada's single payer health care is because
they DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS!
The fact is millions of Americans are driven
into bankruptcy by medical bills while NO ONE
in Canada is.



Medical Expenses

A study done at Harvard University indicates that
this is the biggest cause of bankruptcy, representing
62% of all personal bankruptcies. One of the interesting
caveats of this study shows that 78% of filers had some
form of health insurance, thus bucking the myth that
medical bills affe ct only the uninsured.

Rare or serious diseases or injuries can easily result
in hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills -
bills that can quickly wipe out savings and retirement
accounts, college education funds and home equity. Once
these have been exhausted, bankruptcy may be the only
shelter left, regardless of whether the patient or his
or her family was able to apply health coverage to a
portion of the bill or not.

Read more: Top 5 Reasons Why People Go Bankrupt
http://www.investopedia.com/slide-show/top-5-reasons-why-people-go-
bankrupt/#ixzz4eVxldNxM
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by jane.playne
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're
covered. Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get
cast aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer
will be a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the
concept of single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam
health care and don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You
moochers are something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
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The reason people like Canada's single payer health care is because
they DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS!
The fact is millions of Americans are driven
into bankruptcy by medical bills while NO ONE
in Canada is.
.

You have a history of FAILURE; you FAILED to dispute Yak's claim "Have
fun waiting for months on end."

Your FAILURE is due to the fact that I post FACTS, not bullshit. *I*
post the links to the OFFICIAL Ontario web site of wait list postings.


Your "survey" has been disputed and debunked over and over again. The
"survey" did not say " ...that this is the biggest cause of bankruptcy"

The "survey" stated that medical issues were a factor in the majority of
bankruptcies.

If a person ran up a mountain of debt on credit cards, a mountain of
debt on a home they could not afford, a mountain of debt on a luxury car
[1] they can not afford ... AND IF they loose 2 weeks of work due to
illness, THAT is declared as a MEDICAL BANKRUPTCY by the "survey".

Under that definition there have been many, many Canadians who suffered
from a "medical bankruptcy"


End Notes:
1. 86% of luxury cars are purchased by people who are not wealthy.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Medical Expenses
A study done at Harvard University indicates that
this is the biggest cause of bankruptcy, representing
62% of all personal bankruptcies. One of the interesting
caveats of this study shows that 78% of filers had some
form of health insurance, thus bucking the myth that
medical bills affe ct only the uninsured.
Rare or serious diseases or injuries can easily result
in hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills -
bills that can quickly wipe out savings and retirement
accounts, college education funds and home equity. Once
these have been exhausted, bankruptcy may be the only
shelter left, regardless of whether the patient or his
or her family was able to apply health coverage to a
portion of the bill or not.
Read more: Top 5 Reasons Why People Go Bankrupt
http://www.investopedia.com/slide-show/top-5-reasons-why-people-go-
bankrupt/#ixzz4eVxldNxM
.

You have a history
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2017-04-17 14:28:44 UTC
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Post by jane.playne
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're
covered. Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get
cast aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer
will be a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the
concept of single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam
health care and don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You
moochers are something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
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The reason people like Canada's single payer health care is because
they DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS!
The fact is millions of Americans are driven
into bankruptcy by medical bills
Bullshit. What a monumentally stupid lie, Bitch Holeman! "Millions"?
Complete bullshit.

"David Himmelstein and colleagues recently contended that medical
problems contribute to 54.5 percent of personal bankruptcies and
threaten the solvency of solidly middle-class Americans. They propose
comprehensive national health insurance as a solution. A reexamination
of their data suggests that medical bills are a contributing factor in
just 17 percent of personal bankruptcies and that those affected tend to
have incomes closer to poverty level than to middle class. "
http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/25/2/w74.full


The Myth of the Medical Bankruptcy
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-17/the-myth-of-the-medical-bankruptcy


Leftists always lie. It's just what they do.
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2017-04-17 18:32:13 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by jane.playne
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now?
Wait till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/e
n/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time
will worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if
your plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck.
Single payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer?
You're covered. Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of
luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting
for months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply
get cast aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single
payer will be a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how
great the concept of single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your
own goddam health care and don't look to someone else to foot your
bills. You moochers are something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
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The reason people like Canada's single payer health care is because
they DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS!
The fact is millions of Americans are driven
into bankruptcy by medical bills
Bullshit. What a monumentally stupid lie, Bitch Holeman! "Millions"?
Complete bullshit.
"David Himmelstein and colleagues recently contended that medical
problems contribute to 54.5 percent of personal bankruptcies and
threaten the solvency of solidly middle-class Americans. They propose
comprehensive national health insurance as a solution. A reexamination
of their data suggests that medical bills are a contributing factor in
just 17 percent of personal bankruptcies and that those affected tend
to have incomes closer to poverty level than to middle class. "
http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/25/2/w74.full
The Myth of the Medical Bankruptcy
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-17/the-myth-of-the-medi
cal-bankruptcy
From your own cite:


"I do think medical bills contribute to or cause a
significant number of bankruptcies. I also think that
Obamacare must have prevented some medical bankruptcies,
though I couldn’t say how many."

Which raises the question: Why are only Americans
driven into bankruptcy by medical bills? Canadians
aren't, Britons aren't, Australians aren't, even
Mexicans aren't.

Why does America lead the world in people impoverished
and even bankrupted by medical bills?





Consumers still struggling with medical debt
February 1, 2015

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/01/consumers-still-struggling-
with-medical-debt/22587749/




Why medical debt - and bankruptcy - are growing problems
January 28, 2015

http://theconversation.com/why-medical-debt-and-bankruptcy-are-growing-
problems-35532
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by jane.playne
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now?
Wait till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/e
n/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time
will worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if
your plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck.
Single payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer?
You're covered. Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of
luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting
for months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply
get cast aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single
payer will be a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how
great the concept of single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your
own goddam health care and don't look to someone else to foot your
bills. You moochers are something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
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The reason people like Canada's single payer health care is because
they DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS!
The fact is millions of Americans are driven
into bankruptcy by medical bills
Bullshit. What a monumentally stupid lie, Bitch Holeman! "Millions"?
Complete bullshit.
"David Himmelstein and colleagues recently contended that medical
problems contribute to 54.5 percent of personal bankruptcies and
threaten the solvency of solidly middle-class Americans. They propose
comprehensive national health insurance as a solution. A reexamination
of their data suggests that medical bills are a contributing factor in
just 17 percent of personal bankruptcies and that those affected tend
to have incomes closer to poverty level than to middle class. "
http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/25/2/w74.full
The Myth of the Medical Bankruptcy
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-17/the-myth-of-the-medi
cal-bankruptcy
"I do think medical bills contribute to or cause a
significant number of bankruptcies.
Not "millions", Bitch Holeman. Those articles both demolish your claim
that more than half of bankruptcies are due to medical bills, too.
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2017-04-18 00:50:06 UTC
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Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
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The reason people like Canada's single payer health care is because they
DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS!
You're saying that Canadians don't know the facts of their own health system??? Seriously?

Don't waste your time posting outliers; the vast majority of Canadians are very happy.
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2017-04-18 04:13:33 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by jane.playne
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
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The reason people like Canada's single payer health care is because they
DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS!
You're saying that Canadians don't know the facts of their own health system??? Seriously?
Don't waste your time posting outliers; the vast majority of Canadians are very happy.
Indeed. Our system may not be perfect, but we like it a lot and it
serves us well.

Bills? Never heard of them.
Bankruptcies from healthcare? WTF?
Pre-existing conditions? WTF?
Deductible? LOL!
Maximum coverage? Are you kidding me?

But more importantly : we're treated very well when we get sick and need
essential healthcare.
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2017-04-18 04:31:01 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by jane.playne
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
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The reason people like Canada's single payer health care is because they
DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS!
You're saying that Canadians don't know the facts of their own health system??? Seriously?
Don't waste your time posting outliers; the vast majority of Canadians are very happy.
Indeed. Our system may not be perfect, but we like it a lot and it
serves us well.
Bills? Never heard of them.
Bankruptcies from healthcare? WTF?
Pre-existing conditions? WTF?
Deductible? LOL!
Maximum coverage? Are you kidding me?
But more importantly : we're treated very well when we get sick and need
essential healthcare.
If the troll remembers the opening ceremony for the 2012 Olympic games
in London, it will know just how proud the British are of the NHS.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-22 13:01:53 UTC
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Post by Olrik
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Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
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The reason people like Canada's single payer health care is because they
DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS!
You're saying that Canadians don't know the facts of their own health system??? Seriously?
Don't waste your time posting outliers; the vast majority of Canadians are very happy.
Indeed. Our system may not be perfect, but we like it a lot and it
serves us well.
Bills? Never heard of them.
Bankruptcies from healthcare? WTF?
Pre-existing conditions? WTF?
Deductible? LOL!
Maximum coverage? Are you kidding me?
But more importantly : we're treated very well when we get sick and need
essential healthcare.
If the troll remembers the opening ceremony for the 2012 Olympic games
in London, it will know just how proud the British are of the NHS.
Oh, yeah, I remember that. It was sweet.
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Olrik
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by jane.playne
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
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The reason people like Canada's single payer health care is because they
DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS!
You're saying that Canadians don't know the facts of their own health system??? Seriously?
Don't waste your time posting outliers; the vast majority of Canadians are very happy.
Indeed. Our system may not be perfect, but we like it a lot and it
serves us well.
Bills? Never heard of them.
Bankruptcies from healthcare? WTF?
Pre-existing conditions? WTF?
Deductible? LOL!
Maximum coverage? Are you kidding me?
But more importantly : we're treated very well when we get sick and need
essential healthcare.
If the troll remembers the opening ceremony for the 2012 Olympic games
in London, it will know just how proud the British are of the NHS.
Oh, yeah, I remember that. It was sweet.
Every Brit has benefited from it - even if they were born before 1948
when it was introduced.

During WW2, everybody was part of the war effort - people's gardens
were used for food production and pretty well all non-combatants apart
from children and those physically incapable were involved. Eg old,
retired people were air raid wardens patrolling for lights showing
which the Luftwaffe bomber crews could see, etc.

What food there was, was rationed and shared equitably, and free
healthcare was available for all because everybody was part of the war
effort.

After WW2, Churchill wanted to return to the pre-war class system
where the poor didn't have healthcare and often enough food.

Which is why Attlee was elected as Prime Minister.

The slot in the opening ceremony was particularly about the Great
Ormond Street Hospital for Sick Children, which is one of the world's
leading such facilities - and it is completely free.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Ormond_Street_Hospital
Joe Bruno
2017-04-20 14:13:16 UTC
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And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
Canada is not the only single payer system. The one in Britain has waiting lines
miles long.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-21 13:50:04 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
Canada is not the only single payer system. The one in Britain has waiting lines
miles long.
So what?

If you have something serious that needs to be fixed now, it gets fixed now. You go right to the front of the line.

Learn facts.
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Joe Bruno
2017-04-20 14:19:25 UTC
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And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
Actually, the Canadian system is not so great:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/number-of-canadian-patients-travelling-abroad-for-treatment-increased-by-25-study-finds
Mitchell Holman
2017-04-20 17:51:35 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-4,
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthca
re- sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than
any other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/
en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're
covered. Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting
for months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply
get cast aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single
payer will be a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how
great the concept of single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own
goddam health care and don't look to someone else to foot your
bills. You moochers are something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/number-of-canadian-patients-tr
avelling-abroad-for-treatment-increased-by-25-study-finds
Number of countries that have ditched their single
payer systems in favor of the American "pay up or die"
model = Zero
Joe Bruno
2017-04-20 18:57:49 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-4,
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthca
re- sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than
any other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/
en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're
covered. Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting
for months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply
get cast aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single
payer will be a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how
great the concept of single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own
goddam health care and don't look to someone else to foot your
bills. You moochers are something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/number-of-canadian-patients-tr
avelling-abroad-for-treatment-increased-by-25-study-finds
Number of countries that have ditched their single
payer systems in favor of the American "pay up or die"
model = Zero
I posted this Tuesday:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_health_center
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-22 08:30:59 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-4,
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthca
re- sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than
any other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/
en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're
covered. Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting
for months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply
get cast aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single
payer will be a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how
great the concept of single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own
goddam health care and don't look to someone else to foot your
bills. You moochers are something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/number-of-canadian-patients-tr
avelling-abroad-for-treatment-increased-by-25-study-finds
Number of countries that have ditched their single
payer systems in favor of the American "pay up or die"
model = Zero
How is that a response to Mitchell's comment?
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2017-04-22 23:15:01 UTC
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Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-4,
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthca
re- sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than
any other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/
en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're
covered. Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting
for months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply
get cast aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single
payer will be a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how
great the concept of single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own
goddam health care and don't look to someone else to foot your
bills. You moochers are something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/number-of-canadian-patients-tr
avelling-abroad-for-treatment-increased-by-25-study-finds
Number of countries that have ditched their single
payer systems in favor of the American "pay up or die"
model = Zero
How is that a response to Mitchell's comment?
It's all you're gonna get, bitch.
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-23 02:07:57 UTC
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Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Jeanne Douglas
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-4,
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthca
re- sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than
any other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/
en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're
covered. Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting
for months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply
get cast aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single
payer will be a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how
great the concept of single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own
goddam health care and don't look to someone else to foot your
bills. You moochers are something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/number-of-canadian-patients-tr
avelling-abroad-for-treatment-increased-by-25-study-finds
Number of countries that have ditched their single
payer systems in favor of the American "pay up or die"
model = Zero
How is that a response to Mitchell's comment?
It's all you're gonna get, bitch.
Oh, lookee at ArtieJoe trying to be the bully again. LOL.
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Joe Bruno
Post by Adam A. Wanderer
On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-4,
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthca
re- sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than
any other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/
en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're
covered. Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting
for months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply
get cast aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single
payer will be a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how
great the concept of single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own
goddam health care and don't look to someone else to foot your
bills. You moochers are something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/number-of-canadian-patients-tr
avelling-abroad-for-treatment-increased-by-25-study-finds
Number of countries that have ditched their single
payer systems in favor of the American "pay up or die"
model = Zero
What finally brought Thatcher down, ws that she wanted to replace the
NHS with an American-style private insurance system.
Joe Bruno
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What finally brought Thatcher down, ws that she wanted to replace the
NHS with an American-style private insurance system.
THAT'S ANOTHER LIE:

http://historylists.org/events/10-key-events-that-led-to-margaret-thatchers-resignation.html
Carl Kaufmann
2017-04-21 06:16:58 UTC
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What finally brought Thatcher down, ws that she wanted to replace the
NHS with an American-style private insurance system.
http://historylists.org/events/10-key-events-that-led-to-margaret-thatchers-resignation.html
"Abolition of Public Programs"

FFS, you're denser than osmium.
Joe Bruno
2017-04-21 06:19:50 UTC
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What finally brought Thatcher down, ws that she wanted to replace the
NHS with an American-style private insurance system.
http://historylists.org/events/10-key-events-that-led-to-margaret-thatchers-resignation.html
"Abolition of Public Programs"
FFS, you're denser than osmium.
It mentioned certain ones and the NHS was NOT one of them, you idiot.
YOU CAN'T READ.
Christopher A. Lee
2017-04-21 12:45:48 UTC
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What finally brought Thatcher down, ws that she wanted to replace the
NHS with an American-style private insurance system.
http://historylists.org/events/10-key-events-that-led-to-margaret-thatchers-resignation.html
"Abolition of Public Programs"
FFS, you're denser than osmium.
Once again, the nasty little shit who is only here to cause trouble,
lies through his teeth.

She had an irrational hatred for anything under government control,
and what she wanted to do to the NH'S was the last straw, and senior
Conservative Party figures told her to go.

Mad Joe wasn't there - I was, and even after I emigrated I still
listened to the BBC and got British newspapers.
Mitchell Holman
2017-04-21 13:42:04 UTC
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What finally brought Thatcher down, ws that she wanted to replace
the NHS with an American-style private insurance system.
http://historylists.org/events/10-key-events-that-led-to-margaret-tha
tchers-resignation.html
"Abolition of Public Programs"
FFS, you're denser than osmium.
Once again, the nasty little shit who is only here to cause trouble,
lies through his teeth.
She had an irrational hatred for anything under government control,
and what she wanted to do to the NH'S was the last straw, and senior
Conservative Party figures told her to go.
Mad Joe wasn't there - I was, and even after I emigrated I still
listened to the BBC and got British newspapers.
American conservatives love Thatcher and
hate to admit she was run out of office by
her own party.
Joe Bruno
2017-04-21 22:38:18 UTC
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What finally brought Thatcher down, ws that she wanted to replace the
NHS with an American-style private insurance system.
http://historylists.org/events/10-key-events-that-led-to-margaret-thatchers-resignation.html
"Abolition of Public Programs"
FFS, you're denser than osmium.
Once again, the nasty little shit who is only here to cause trouble,
lies through his teeth.
She had an irrational hatred for anything under government control,
and what she wanted to do to the NH'S was the last straw, and senior
Conservative Party figures told her to go.
Mad Joe wasn't there - I was, and even after I emigrated I still
listened to the BBC and got British newspapers.
EVIDENCE, LIAR?
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-22 13:02:28 UTC
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What finally brought Thatcher down, ws that she wanted to replace the
NHS with an American-style private insurance system.
http://historylists.org/events/10-key-events-that-led-to-margaret-thatchers-resignation.html
"Abolition of Public Programs"
FFS, you're denser than osmium.
Once again, the nasty little shit who is only here to cause trouble,
lies through his teeth.
She had an irrational hatred for anything under government control,
and what she wanted to do to the NH'S was the last straw, and senior
Conservative Party figures told her to go.
Mad Joe wasn't there - I was, and even after I emigrated I still
listened to the BBC and got British newspapers.
EVIDENCE, LIAR?
His knowledge of the subject.
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Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-22 08:31:46 UTC
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On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 12:51:35 -0500, Mitchell Holman
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On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 3:40:27 PM UTC-4,
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthca
re- sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than
any other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK.
That means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/
en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're
covered. Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting
for months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply
get cast aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single
payer will be a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how
great the concept of single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own
goddam health care and don't look to someone else to foot your
bills. You moochers are something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/number-of-canadian-patients-tr
avelling-abroad-for-treatment-increased-by-25-study-finds
Number of countries that have ditched their single
payer systems in favor of the American "pay up or die"
model = Zero
What finally brought Thatcher down, ws that she wanted to replace the
NHS with an American-style private insurance system.
People will bitch and moan about all kinds of things. That doesn't mean they want them to go away.
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Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-21 13:47:32 UTC
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And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine and the Canadian system works really great,
<http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/february/10_myths_about_canad.php>
<http://tinyurl.com/c8xh9m>
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/number-of-canadian-patients-travelling-abroad-for-treatment-increased-by-25-study-finds
A few people who don't want to wait their turn is not an indictment of the system. You realize that when people come to the US for treatment, Canada's single-payer system is still paying for it?
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Joe Bruno
2017-04-20 14:27:47 UTC
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And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine
Not really:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_fraud
Jeanne Douglas
2017-04-21 13:49:10 UTC
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Post by Adam A. Wanderer
And why America is still too dumb to accept it.
http://time.com/money/4733018/what-is-single-payer-healthcare-
sys
tem/
The answer to the question isn't rocket science. People want
shit f
or free. The problem is you think healthcare is expensive now? Wait
till it's free.
On a per capita basis the US pays more for health care than any
other
country, almost double that of Canada and nearly triple the UK. That
means the US is doing it all wrong and can
learn a lot from other countries.
http://www.who.int/gho/health_financing/per_capita_expenditure/en/
I promise you that if the US ever, God forbid, goes with single
payer,
costs will not...I repeat...NOT go down. Quality and wait time will
worsen.
Bull shi
Your quality now is based on what plan you can afford, and if your
plan d
oesn't cover
something you come down with, then you're shit out of luck. Single
payer covers you for almost everything. Got cancer? You're covered.
Don't have a plan for cancer? You're shit out of luck.
Want an MRI? Hip replacement? Knee replacement? Have fun waiting for
months on end. And what ever you do don't get old. You simply get cast
aside as not worth it. Look, your pie in the sky single payer will be
a disaster on several fronts. See the VA for how great the concept of
single payer is. Here's an idea - buy your own goddam health care and
don't look to someone else to foot your bills. You moochers are
something else.
And yet Medicare works fine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_fraud
How do s small number of bad people make the system that has prevented millions of premature deaths a failure?

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