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Jahnu
2018-05-24 00:52:52 UTC
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We can’t.

In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.

All you can hope for in atheism is a better standard of life, better
sense-gratification.

In modern life everyone is conditioned and indoctrinated into thinking
that they are the enjoyers, and that they can be happy by gratifying
the bodily senses. In fact, there are no other goals in the global
culture except growing up, getting an education, in order to get a job
to make money so you can spend it. There is nothing beyond that. How
hopeless is that?

It may seem ok for the successful people, who, due to their good
karma, are getting their desires fulfilled, but for the vast scores of
people who live in poverty and need, how is it beneficial to tell them
that this life is the only chance you'll ever get to have your desires
fulfilled? After that - nothing.

Or like the Church tells you - too bad, God cast you down into a life
of poverty and misery, while He cast another person down into a life
in fame and glory. It's a hopeless world-view, whichever way you look
at it, and it conditions people to a life of misery and
disappointment.

Krishna says:

One who restrains his senses, keeping them under full control, and
fixes his consciousness upon Me, is known as a man of steady
intelligence. —Bg 2.61

While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops
attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from
lust anger arises. Bg — 2.62

From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion bewilderment
of memory. When memory is bewildered, intelligence is lost, and when
intelligence is lost one falls down again into the material pool. — Bg
2.63

But a person free from all attachment and aversion and able to
control his senses through regulative principles of freedom can obtain
the complete mercy of the Lord. —Bg 2.64

For one thus satisfied [in Krishna consciousness], the threefold
miseries of material existence exist no longer; in such satisfied
consciousness, one’s intelligence is soon well established.— Bg 2.65
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das


StanFast
2018-05-24 01:19:30 UTC
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We can’t.
In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age
unless they get a disease they haven't been able to cure




and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
All you can hope for in atheism is a better standard of life, better
sense-gratification.
In modern life everyone is conditioned and indoctrinated into thinking
that they are the enjoyers, and that they can be happy by gratifying
the bodily senses. In fact, there are no other goals in the global
culture except growing up, getting an education, in order to get a job
to make money so you can spend it. There is nothing beyond that. How
hopeless is that?
It may seem ok for the successful people, who, due to their good
karma, are getting their desires fulfilled, but for the vast scores of
people who live in poverty and need, how is it beneficial to tell them
that this life is the only chance you'll ever get to have your desires
fulfilled? After that - nothing.
Or like the Church tells you - too bad, God cast you down into a life
of poverty and misery, while He cast another person down into a life
in fame and glory. It's a hopeless world-view, whichever way you look
at it, and it conditions people to a life of misery and
disappointment.
One who restrains his senses, keeping them under full control, and
fixes his consciousness upon Me, is known as a man of steady
intelligence. —Bg 2.61
While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops
attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from
lust anger arises. Bg — 2.62
From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion bewilderment
of memory. When memory is bewildered, intelligence is lost, and when
intelligence is lost one falls down again into the material pool. — Bg
2.63
But a person free from all attachment and aversion and able to
control his senses through regulative principles of freedom can obtain
the complete mercy of the Lord. —Bg 2.64
For one thus satisfied [in Krishna consciousness], the threefold
miseries of material existence exist no longer; in such satisfied
consciousness, one’s intelligence is soon well established.— Bg 2.65
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Cloud Hobbit
2018-05-24 01:56:22 UTC
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.

Just reality.
Alex W.
2018-05-24 06:40:48 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
Who needs hope when they can have reasonable expectation?

Science and its daughter has delivered unto us health, wealth and old
age. It has helped us to devise ways for creating stable and secure
political and social systems which give us security in our persons and
property. It has created ways for us to use our talents and ambitions
in all our chosen areas of endeavour. It has given us answers and
solutions to age-old problems. Our lives are immeasurably easier and
better in all conceivable ways because of science and technology.

In short, that science bird in the hand is far, far better than the wild
promise of flocks of birds of paradise in the bush.
John Locke
2018-05-24 13:02:22 UTC
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
Who needs hope when they can have reasonable expectation?
Science and its daughter has delivered unto us health, wealth and old
age. It has helped us to devise ways for creating stable and secure
political and social systems which give us security in our persons and
property. It has created ways for us to use our talents and ambitions
in all our chosen areas of endeavour. It has given us answers and
solutions to age-old problems. Our lives are immeasurably easier and
better in all conceivable ways because of science and technology.
In short, that science bird in the hand is far, far better than the wild
promise of flocks of birds of paradise in the bush.
..theists will never understand. Nature is indifferent. It's up to us
humans to improve the quality of life..not some stinking, imaginary
god.
StanFast
2018-05-24 13:09:32 UTC
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
Who needs hope when they can have reasonable expectation?
Science and its daughter has delivered unto us health, wealth and old
age. It has helped us to devise ways for creating stable and secure
political and social systems which give us security in our persons and
property. It has created ways for us to use our talents and ambitions
in all our chosen areas of endeavour. It has given us answers and
solutions to age-old problems. Our lives are immeasurably easier and
better in all conceivable ways because of science and technology.
In short, that science bird in the hand is far, far better than the wild
promise of flocks of birds of paradise in the bush.
..theists will never understand. Nature is indifferent. It's up to us
humans to improve the quality of life..
You have yet to prove to my satisfaction you are one of those
Kurt Nicklas
2018-05-27 12:14:09 UTC
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
Who needs hope when they can have reasonable expectation?
Science and its daughter has delivered unto us health, wealth and old
age. It has helped us to devise ways for creating stable and secure
political and social systems which give us security in our persons and
property. It has created ways for us to use our talents and ambitions
in all our chosen areas of endeavour. It has given us answers and
solutions to age-old problems. Our lives are immeasurably easier and
better in all conceivable ways because of science and technology.
In short, that science bird in the hand is far, far better than the wild
promise of flocks of birds of paradise in the bush.
Science has given us the means of destroying the world and every living thing on it.
Kurt Nicklas
2018-05-26 00:49:29 UTC
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
What is reality? Can you define it?
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2018-05-26 00:52:12 UTC
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
What is reality? Can you define it?
StanFast
2018-05-26 00:54:37 UTC
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
What is reality? Can you define it?
so you don't know.
Hint: reality consists of the things that occur.
Kurt Nicklas
2018-05-26 02:07:04 UTC
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
What is reality? Can you define it?
so you don't know.
Hint: reality consists of the things that occur.
So reality, in your view, consists of actions rather than objects?

Do you personally have to observe those "things" occurring for them to be real?
Kit
2018-05-26 16:32:52 UTC
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
What is reality? Can you define it?
What is perceived by the five senses.

-- Kit
Cloud Hobbit
2018-05-26 19:27:06 UTC
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Kurt Nicklas
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
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What is reality? Can you define it?
Reality is that which exists independent from human consciousness.
Kurt Nicklas
2018-05-27 12:07:01 UTC
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Kurt Nicklas
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
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What is reality? Can you define it?
Reality is that which exists independent from human consciousness.
If it exists apart from human consciousness, how would you know?
Do you have the ability to gain information about what exists apart from your senses and consciousness?

Actually, what you've stated above could be a passable definition for GOD.

Oh, the irony! Oh, the ignorance of the simple-minded!

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Psalm 18:31
Yap Honghor
2018-05-27 11:35:31 UTC
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
What is reality? Can you define it?
Reality is the opposite of your delusion.....
Kurt Nicklas
2018-05-27 12:09:03 UTC
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No hope for imaginary gods or miracles.
Just reality.
What is reality? Can you define it?
Reality is the opposite of your delusion.....
What is reality to you, Yaps? Mao, The Great Leap Forward and millions upon millions of dead Chinese under Communism?
Malcolm McMahon
2018-05-24 08:20:38 UTC
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We can’t.
In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
Atheism isn't a choice: It's a conclusion. To us whether atheism makes you happy just isn't the issue.
Christopher A. Lee
2018-05-24 08:23:45 UTC
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We can’t.
In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
Atheism isn't a choice: It's a conclusion. To us whether atheism makes
you happy just isn't the issue.
The certifiably insane Jesper does this deliberately. He's been
obsessed with us for donkey's years.
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2018-05-24 15:28:35 UTC
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We can’t.
In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
Atheism isn't a choice: It's a conclusion. To us whether atheism makes you happy just isn't the issue.
Well it does clean out some of the cobwebs and gives happiness a
higher probability by avoiding delusional religionist pit falls like
guilt, nonsensical rules, and running around trying to please mythical
egotistical deities.

Think of it as a prophylaxis. It isn't a cure, but it keeps the
disease at bay.
duke
2018-05-25 22:55:42 UTC
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We can’t.
In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
Atheism isn't a choice: It's a conclusion. To us whether atheism makes you happy just isn't the issue.
You won't feel the same just before you die. And THEN: It's too late.


the dukester, American-American


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Kurt Nicklas
2018-05-26 02:08:11 UTC
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We can’t.
In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
Atheism isn't a choice: It's a conclusion. To us whether atheism makes you happy just isn't the issue.
In that you've decided to accept some things and reject others it is a choice.

Sorry.
Peter Pan
2018-05-26 19:48:19 UTC
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We can’t.
In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
Atheism isn't a choice: It's a conclusion. To us whether atheism makes you happy just isn't the issue.
In that you've decided to accept some things and reject others it is a choice.
Sorry.
Only if you can force yourself to "believe" things
without regard to whether they make sense.

Do you accept or reject chocolate easter bunnies riding
on marshmallow unicorns? Is that really a "choice"?
Yap Honghor
2018-05-24 09:56:05 UTC
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We can’t.
Moron..."hope" is a word of anticipation without any basis at all.
You can always substitute "faith" in its place and therefore has no fact to look forward to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All you theists want to do is to provide nothing, conning people in hope!
In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
All you can hope for in atheism is a better standard of life, better
sense-gratification.
In modern life everyone is conditioned and indoctrinated into thinking
that they are the enjoyers, and that they can be happy by gratifying
the bodily senses. In fact, there are no other goals in the global
culture except growing up, getting an education, in order to get a job
to make money so you can spend it. There is nothing beyond that. How
hopeless is that?
It may seem ok for the successful people, who, due to their good
karma, are getting their desires fulfilled, but for the vast scores of
people who live in poverty and need, how is it beneficial to tell them
that this life is the only chance you'll ever get to have your desires
fulfilled? After that - nothing.
Or like the Church tells you - too bad, God cast you down into a life
of poverty and misery, while He cast another person down into a life
in fame and glory. It's a hopeless world-view, whichever way you look
at it, and it conditions people to a life of misery and
disappointment.
One who restrains his senses, keeping them under full control, and
fixes his consciousness upon Me, is known as a man of steady
intelligence. —Bg 2.61
While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops
attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from
lust anger arises. Bg — 2.62
From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion bewilderment
of memory. When memory is bewildered, intelligence is lost, and when
intelligence is lost one falls down again into the material pool. — Bg
2.63
But a person free from all attachment and aversion and able to
control his senses through regulative principles of freedom can obtain
the complete mercy of the Lord. —Bg 2.64
For one thus satisfied [in Krishna consciousness], the threefold
miseries of material existence exist no longer; in such satisfied
consciousness, one’s intelligence is soon well established.— Bg 2.65
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Kurt Nicklas
2018-05-26 00:50:21 UTC
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We can’t.
Moron..."hope" is a word of anticipation without any basis at all.
You can always substitute "faith" in its place and therefore has no fact to look forward to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you have hope, Yaps?
MarkA
2018-05-24 12:51:26 UTC
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some cosmic
game of which we have no knowledge or control?

We can't.

QED
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putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. -- Mark Twain
StanFast
2018-05-24 12:56:18 UTC
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some cosmic
game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
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2018-05-24 15:29:28 UTC
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some cosmic
game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
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2018-05-25 12:22:11 UTC
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some cosmic
game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
Heh. The pawn that believes that chess was invented so it would have a
game to play in?
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StanFast
2018-05-25 13:25:04 UTC
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some cosmic
game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God had a plan to share the type of life he himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with his children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan works, and he wants that to continue for always.
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2018-05-25 13:29:25 UTC
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2018-05-25 13:34:07 UTC
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some
cosmic game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God had a plan to share the type of life he
himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with his
children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan works, and he
wants that to continue for always.
The theology articulated in "Guardians of the Galaxy 2" makes a lot more
sense.
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some
cosmic game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God had a plan to share the type of life he
himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with his
children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan works, and he
wants that to continue for always.
The theology articulated in "Guardians of the Galaxy 2" makes a lot more
sense.
you follow those beliefs then
Christopher A. Lee
2018-05-25 13:44:56 UTC
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some
cosmic game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God
WHAT FUCKING GOD?
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had a plan to share the type of life he
himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with his
children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan works, and he
wants that to continue for always.
What a sociopathic, fucking moron.
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The theology articulated in "Guardians of the Galaxy 2" makes a lot more
sense.
Religion brings out this kind of psychopathic rudeness and stupidity.

How would these sociopaths like it if they were subjected to an
endless stream of deliberate, in-your face rudeness and sttupidity
from hundreds of Hesper Clones whose only reason for it, is to try and
annoy them to "punish" them fror not being Hindu?

Especially over decades?
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2018-05-25 13:49:41 UTC
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some
cosmic game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God
WHAT FUCKING GOD?
the one you are busily engaged in fighting against

had a plan to share the type of life he
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himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with his
children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan works, and he
wants that to continue for always.
What a sociopathic
so you think a more severe punishment for those who choose to fight against him, treason, makes him as you are?
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The theology articulated in "Guardians of the Galaxy 2"
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2018-05-26 00:59:29 UTC
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some
cosmic game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God
WHAT FUCKING GOD?
the one you are busily engaged in fighting against
That would be the one for which you have yet to produce any evidence.
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had a plan to share the type of life he
himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with
his children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan
works, and he wants that to continue for always.
What a sociopathic, fucking moron.
so you think a more severe punishment for those who choose to fight
against him, treason, makes him as you are?
How does one fight against the non-existent?
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some
cosmic game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God
WHAT FUCKING GOD?
the one you are busily engaged in fighting against
That would be the one for which you have yet to produce any evidence.
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had a plan to share the type of life he
himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with
his children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan
works, and he wants that to continue for always.
What a sociopathic, fucking moron.
so you think a more severe punishment for those who choose to fight
against him, treason, makes him as you are?
How does one fight against the non-existent?
That certainly is not going to work in your defense.

:)
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some
cosmic game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God
WHAT FUCKING GOD?
the one you are busily engaged in fighting against
What a fucking moron. A deliberate liar as well as an idiot.
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That would be the one for which you have yet to produce any evidence.
These morons imagine they're exempt from answering the questions they
beg.
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had a plan to share the type of life he
himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with
his children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan
works, and he wants that to continue for always.
Idiot.
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What a sociopathic, fucking moron.
so you think a more severe punishment for those who choose to fight
against him, treason, makes him as you are?
What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
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How does one fight against the non-existent?
In the minds of the deluded who live in their own little fantasy
world.

Why isn't he in the psych ward?
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some
cosmic game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God
WHAT FUCKING GOD?
the one you are busily engaged in fighting against
What a fucking moron. A deliberate liar as well as an idiot.
I am an exceptionally honest person. Certainly guaranteed much more honest than you. Guaranteed so.
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That would be the one for which you have yet to produce any evidence.
These morons imagine they're exempt from answering the questions they
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had a plan to share the type of life he
himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with
his children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan
works, and he wants that to continue for always.
Idiot.
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What a sociopathic, fucking moron.
so you think a more severe punishment for those who choose to fight
against him, treason, makes him as you are?
What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idiot.
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How does one fight against the non-existent?
In the minds of the deluded who live in their own little fantasy
world.
Why isn't he in the psych ward?
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some
cosmic game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God
WHAT FUCKING GOD?
the one you are busily engaged in fighting against
What a fucking moron. A deliberate liar as well as an idiot.
Yet another one of CHRISTopher's "compelling arguments". LOL
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That would be the one for which you have yet to produce any evidence.
These morons imagine they're exempt from answering the questions they
beg.
Questions CHRISTopher is too afraid to actually ask.
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had a plan to share the type of life he
himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with
his children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan
works, and he wants that to continue for always.
Idiot.
CHRISTopher is too much of a coward to actually throw these words at the people he hates.
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some
cosmic game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God
WHAT FUCKING GOD?
the one you are busily engaged in fighting against
What a fucking moron. A deliberate liar as well as an idiot.
Yet another one of CHRISTopher's "compelling arguments". LOL
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That would be the one for which you have yet to produce any evidence.
These morons imagine they're exempt from answering the questions they
beg.
Questions CHRISTopher is too afraid to actually ask.
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had a plan to share the type of life he
himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with
his children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan
works, and he wants that to continue for always.
Idiot.
CHRISTopher is too much of a coward to actually throw these words at the people he hates.
No one is afraid of you, dickhead. You come here seeking scorn, knowing you will get it.
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some
cosmic game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God
WHAT FUCKING GOD?
the one you are busily engaged in fighting against
That would be the one for which you have yet to produce any evidence.
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had a plan to share the type of life he
himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with
his children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan
works, and he wants that to continue for always.
What a sociopathic, fucking moron.
so you think a more severe punishment for those who choose to fight
against him, treason, makes him as you are?
How does one fight against the non-existent?
One must first lay in a good supply of magic bullets . . . .
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some cosmic
game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God had a plan to share the type of life he himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with his children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan works, and he wants that to continue for always.
You can have all your control by your pixie for eternity, as long as you are happy!

Non-believers and atheists couldn't make themselves as far away from it as possible...
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some cosmic
game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
The pawn that roared?
the first cause meaning God had a plan to share the type of life he himself enjoys with others, him that is etetnal, eternal life with his children. He takes great joy in that and the fact his plan works, and he wants that to continue for always.
You can have all your control by your pixie for eternity, as long as you are happy!
Non-believers and atheists couldn't make themselves as far away from it as possible...
how did you know that you didn't agree to these conditions of going through this ahead of time?
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We can’t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some cosmic
game of which we have no knowledge
Speak for yourself
I always do. Unlike Jahnu.
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We can?t.
How can we find hope in the idea that we are but pawns in some cosmic
game of which we have no knowledge or control?
Sorry, bud, it's ALL in your hands. God gave us the regulations. Listen or
else.
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We can't.
QED
Does that mean "queers end dead"?

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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you lucky enough to
stay alive. Hope, happiness, a fulfilling life, are your
responsibility.

The destination, old age and death in this case, is not important. The
journey and the life are what is important. Crackpot religions are
just there to garner money and power, not to enlighten or to make the
journey more rewarding.
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you lucky enough to
stay alive. Hope, happiness, a fulfilling life, are your
responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your responsibility?
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The destination, old age and death in this case, is not important. The
journey and the life are what is important. Crackpot religions are
just there to garner money and power, not to enlighten or to make the
journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you lucky enough to
stay alive. Hope, happiness, a fulfilling life, are your
responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your responsibility?
It is your responsibility is what I just said. It is you religious
yoyo's who like to pretend that god is in charge, and has ultimate
responsibility.
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The destination, old age and death in this case, is not important. The
journey and the life are what is important. Crackpot religions are
just there to garner money and power, not to enlighten or to make the
journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
The ultimate end is not important, how you got there and what you
learned is.

You've convinced yourself that there's some mysterious invisible
honcho who you must please; and if you do things just right you get
rewarded, I'm saying that life is reward enough.

There's no mysterious paranormal force or person, but there are plenty
of men who control people like you with promises of an "after"life.

You deserve pity, even if you can't see it.
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you lucky enough to
stay alive. Hope, happiness, a fulfilling life, are your
responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your responsibility?
It is your responsibility is what I just said. It is you religious
yoyo's who like to pretend that god is in charge, and has ultimate
responsibility.
Not exactly. God is the ultimate justice we can rely on. That does not
mean believers have no responsibility. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm
just pointing out that you haven't said anything everybody doesn't
already know.
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The destination, old age and death in this case, is not important. The
journey and the life are what is important. Crackpot religions are
just there to garner money and power, not to enlighten or to make the
journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
The ultimate end is not important, how you got there and what you
learned is.
Where? Where is this ultimate end you are talking about? You have no God
and no heaven. Where exactly are you going?
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You've convinced yourself that there's some mysterious invisible
honcho who you must please; and if you do things just right you get
rewarded, I'm saying that life is reward enough.
If life is already the reward, why are you still going somewhere? Does
that mean you don't like your reward?
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There's no mysterious paranormal force or person, but there are plenty
of men who control people like you with promises of an "after"life.
I'm under nobody's control. I follow God all by myself.
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You deserve pity, even if you can't see it.
I have no problem with that. This suffering life isn't exactly what I
wanted, but thanks to God, I can still make the best of it despite what
happened. To me, that is enough for me to have new found hope in the
morning. This is why God is so important to me personally.

Does that look like pity to you?
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you lucky enough to
stay alive. Hope, happiness, a fulfilling life, are your
responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your responsibility?
It is your responsibility is what I just said. It is you religious
yoyo's who like to pretend that god is in charge, and has ultimate
responsibility.
Not exactly. God is the ultimate justice we can rely on. That does not
mean believers have no responsibility. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm
just pointing out that you haven't said anything everybody doesn't
already know.
Tell that to believers who pray, believing that prayer can make a god
intercede for them. Tell it to believers who think god alone controls
the weather and climate change is not caused by humanity. We'd still
be praying to cure polio, cataracts, infections, storms, earthquakes,
etc., all believed to be caused by god's wrath at one time.

Still cause by gods' wrath to hear Pat Robertson and other "religious
leaders."
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The destination, old age and death in this case, is not important. The
journey and the life are what is important. Crackpot religions are
just there to garner money and power, not to enlighten or to make the
journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
The ultimate end is not important, how you got there and what you
learned is.
Where? Where is this ultimate end you are talking about? You have no God
and no heaven. Where exactly are you going?
Same place you are - reduced to elemental components to be recycled by
nature.
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You've convinced yourself that there's some mysterious invisible
honcho who you must please; and if you do things just right you get
rewarded, I'm saying that life is reward enough.
If life is already the reward, why are you still going somewhere? Does
that mean you don't like your reward?
Post by default
There's no mysterious paranormal force or person, but there are plenty
of men who control people like you with promises of an "after"life.
I'm under nobody's control. I follow God all by myself.
You follow what you've been brainwashed with by other men. A delusion
that makes you feel someone else is in control and responsible. To
you life is just too scary, or death is too scary. You limit life in
the hopes that there really is a pot of gold at the end of your
rainbow.
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You deserve pity, even if you can't see it.
I have no problem with that. This suffering life isn't exactly what I
wanted, but thanks to God, I can still make the best of it despite what
happened. To me, that is enough for me to have new found hope in the
morning. This is why God is so important to me personally.
Does that look like pity to you?
Yup - deserving of pity. "Make the best of it," sounds like someone
who sees themselves as a victim and is already beaten down.
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and
death. What or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a
world-view more hopeless than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you lucky
enough to stay alive. Hope, happiness, a fulfilling life,
are your responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your
responsibility?
It is your responsibility is what I just said. It is you
religious yoyo's who like to pretend that god is in charge, and
has ultimate responsibility.
Not exactly. God is the ultimate justice we can rely on. That does
not mean believers have no responsibility. I'm not disagreeing with
you. I'm just pointing out that you haven't said anything everybody
doesn't already know.
Tell that to believers who pray, believing that prayer can make a
god intercede for them. Tell it to believers who think god alone
controls the weather and climate change is not caused by humanity.
We'd still be praying to cure polio, cataracts, infections, storms,
earthquakes, etc., all believed to be caused by god's wrath at one
time.
Still cause by gods' wrath to hear Pat Robertson and other
"religious leaders."
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The destination, old age and death in this case, is not
important. The journey and the life are what is important.
Crackpot religions are just there to garner money and power,
not to enlighten or to make the journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of
God, everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to
pursue in life. So where does this journey go exactly?
The ultimate end is not important, how you got there and what
you learned is.
Where? Where is this ultimate end you are talking about? You have
no God and no heaven. Where exactly are you going?
Same place you are - reduced to elemental components to be recycled
by nature.
How is that possible? I'm a believer of God. Are you sure you want to be
where I'm going to be?
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You've convinced yourself that there's some mysterious invisible
honcho who you must please; and if you do things just right you
get rewarded, I'm saying that life is reward enough.
If life is already the reward, why are you still going somewhere?
Does that mean you don't like your reward?
Post by default
There's no mysterious paranormal force or person, but there are
plenty of men who control people like you with promises of an
"after"life.
I'm under nobody's control. I follow God all by myself.
You follow what you've been brainwashed with by other men. A
delusion that makes you feel someone else is in control and
responsible. To you life is just too scary, or death is too scary.
You limit life in the hopes that there really is a pot of gold at the
end of your rainbow.
Nope. God lives in my heart who is my Lord. He is not another person or
another entity beside me. He is my true being. Only God is true and
real, and I'm not. That's why I follow him. There is no delusion
possible since what's found in my heart is always real and true. I'm
sure you will find and realize the same thing if you look into your own
heart.
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You deserve pity, even if you can't see it.
I have no problem with that. This suffering life isn't exactly what
I wanted, but thanks to God, I can still make the best of it
despite what happened. To me, that is enough for me to have new
found hope in the morning. This is why God is so important to me
personally.
Does that look like pity to you?
Yup - deserving of pity. "Make the best of it," sounds like someone
who sees themselves as a victim and is already beaten down.
No, it's beaten, but it will never be down. That all thanks to God.

So you can save your pity. There is no need for that. In fact, I'm
rather proud of the scars I have. It's actually an interesting and
wonderful life.
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death.
What or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more
hopeless than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you lucky enough
to stay alive. Hope, happiness, a fulfilling life, are your
responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your responsibility?
It is your responsibility is what I just said. It is you religious
yoyo's who like to pretend that god is in charge, and has ultimate
responsibility.
Not exactly. God is the ultimate justice we can rely on. That does not
mean believers have no responsibility. I'm not disagreeing with you.
I'm just pointing out that you haven't said anything everybody doesn't
already know.
Tell that to believers who pray, believing that prayer can make a god
intercede for them. Tell it to believers who think god alone controls
the weather and climate change is not caused by humanity. We'd still be
praying to cure polio, cataracts, infections, storms, earthquakes,
etc., all believed to be caused by god's wrath at one time.
Still cause by gods' wrath to hear Pat Robertson and other "religious
leaders."
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Post by default
The destination, old age and death in this case, is not important.
The journey and the life are what is important. Crackpot religions
are just there to garner money and power,
not to enlighten or to make the journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life.
So where does this journey go exactly?
The ultimate end is not important, how you got there and what you
learned is.
Where? Where is this ultimate end you are talking about? You have no
God and no heaven. Where exactly are you going?
Same place you are - reduced to elemental components to be recycled by
nature.
How is that possible? I'm a believer of God. Are you sure you want to be
where I'm going to be?
We're all going to be 6' under, you included.
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You've convinced yourself that there's some mysterious invisible
honcho who you must please; and if you do things just right you get
rewarded, I'm saying that life is reward enough.
If life is already the reward, why are you still going somewhere? Does
that mean you don't like your reward?
Post by default
There's no mysterious paranormal force or person, but there are
plenty of men who control people like you with promises of an
"after"life.
I'm under nobody's control. I follow God all by myself.
You follow what you've been brainwashed with by other men. A delusion
that makes you feel someone else is in control and responsible. To you
life is just too scary, or death is too scary. You limit life in the
hopes that there really is a pot of gold at the end of your rainbow.
Nope. God lives in my heart who is my Lord.
That explains the lack of blood to your brain.
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He is not another person or
another entity beside me. He is my true being.
Yep. You made him in your own image.
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Only God is true and real,
So you say. Now prove it.
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and I'm not.
I can agree with that. You're not for real.
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That's why I follow him. There is no delusion
possible since what's found in my heart is always real and true.
I've found that the blood in my heart is real and true.
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I'm
sure you will find and realize the same thing if you look into your own
heart.
I'm not a cardiologist.
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You deserve pity, even if you can't see it.
I have no problem with that. This suffering life isn't exactly what I
wanted, but thanks to God, I can still make the best of it despite
what happened. To me, that is enough for me to have new found hope in
the morning. This is why God is so important to me personally.
Does that look like pity to you?
Yup - deserving of pity. "Make the best of it," sounds like someone
who sees themselves as a victim and is already beaten down.
No, it's beaten, but it will never be down. That all thanks to God.
So you can save your pity. There is no need for that. In fact, I'm
rather proud of the scars I have. It's actually an interesting and
wonderful life.
...being controlled by your insane imagination?
I pity you.
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death.
What or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more
hopeless than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you lucky enough
to stay alive. Hope, happiness, a fulfilling life, are your
responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your responsibility?
It is your responsibility is what I just said. It is you religious
yoyo's who like to pretend that god is in charge, and has ultimate
responsibility.
Not exactly. God is the ultimate justice we can rely on. That does not
mean believers have no responsibility. I'm not disagreeing with you.
I'm just pointing out that you haven't said anything everybody doesn't
already know.
Tell that to believers who pray, believing that prayer can make a god
intercede for them. Tell it to believers who think god alone controls
the weather and climate change is not caused by humanity. We'd still be
praying to cure polio, cataracts, infections, storms, earthquakes,
etc., all believed to be caused by god's wrath at one time.
Still cause by gods' wrath to hear Pat Robertson and other "religious
leaders."
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The destination, old age and death in this case, is not important.
The journey and the life are what is important. Crackpot religions
are just there to garner money and power,
not to enlighten or to make the journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life.
So where does this journey go exactly?
The ultimate end is not important, how you got there and what you
learned is.
Where? Where is this ultimate end you are talking about? You have no
God and no heaven. Where exactly are you going?
Same place you are - reduced to elemental components to be recycled by
nature.
How is that possible? I'm a believer of God. Are you sure you want to be
where I'm going to be?
We're all going to be 6' under, you included.
how many times do you have to be told to speak for yourself?
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You've convinced yourself that there's some mysterious invisible
honcho who you must please; and if you do things just right you get
rewarded, I'm saying that life is reward enough.
If life is already the reward, why are you still going somewhere? Does
that mean you don't like your reward?
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There's no mysterious paranormal force or person, but there are
plenty of men who control people like you with promises of an
"after"life.
I'm under nobody's control. I follow God all by myself.
You follow what you've been brainwashed with by other men. A delusion
that makes you feel someone else is in control and responsible. To you
life is just too scary, or death is too scary. You limit life in the
hopes that there really is a pot of gold at the end of your rainbow.
Nope. God lives in my heart who is my Lord.
That explains the lack of blood to your brain.
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He is not another person or
another entity beside me. He is my true being.
Yep. You made him in your own image.
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Only God is true and real,
So you say. Now prove it.
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and I'm not.
I can agree with that. You're not for real.
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That's why I follow him. There is no delusion
possible since what's found in my heart is always real and true.
I've found that the blood in my heart is real and true.
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I'm
sure you will find and realize the same thing if you look into your own
heart.
I'm not a cardiologist.
if you were, you would know that with your age and condition, obesity, getting upset could lead to high blood pressure, which could lead to a stroke or heart attack.
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You deserve pity, even if you can't see it.
I have no problem with that. This suffering life isn't exactly what I
wanted, but thanks to God, I can still make the best of it despite
what happened. To me, that is enough for me to have new found hope in
the morning. This is why God is so important to me personally.
Does that look like pity to you?
Yup - deserving of pity. "Make the best of it," sounds like someone
who sees themselves as a victim and is already beaten down.
No, it's beaten, but it will never be down. That all thanks to God.
So you can save your pity. There is no need for that. In fact, I'm
rather proud of the scars I have. It's actually an interesting and
wonderful life.
...being controlled by your insane imagination?
I pity you.
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death.
What or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more
hopeless than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you lucky enough
to stay alive. Hope, happiness, a fulfilling life, are your
responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your responsibility?
It is your responsibility is what I just said. It is you religious
yoyo's who like to pretend that god is in charge, and has ultimate
responsibility.
Not exactly. God is the ultimate justice we can rely on. That does not
mean believers have no responsibility. I'm not disagreeing with you.
I'm just pointing out that you haven't said anything everybody doesn't
already know.
Tell that to believers who pray, believing that prayer can make a god
intercede for them. Tell it to believers who think god alone controls
the weather and climate change is not caused by humanity. We'd still be
praying to cure polio, cataracts, infections, storms, earthquakes,
etc., all believed to be caused by god's wrath at one time.
Still cause by gods' wrath to hear Pat Robertson and other "religious
leaders."
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The destination, old age and death in this case, is not important.
The journey and the life are what is important. Crackpot religions
are just there to garner money and power,
not to enlighten or to make the journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life.
So where does this journey go exactly?
The ultimate end is not important, how you got there and what you
learned is.
Where? Where is this ultimate end you are talking about? You have no
God and no heaven. Where exactly are you going?
Same place you are - reduced to elemental components to be recycled by
nature.
How is that possible? I'm a believer of God. Are you sure you want to be
where I'm going to be?
We're all going to be 6' under, you included.
That's only for the physical body. That's not for the intelligent
spiritual soul. The soul is spiritual. It can't die physically.
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You've convinced yourself that there's some mysterious invisible
honcho who you must please; and if you do things just right you get
rewarded, I'm saying that life is reward enough.
If life is already the reward, why are you still going somewhere? Does
that mean you don't like your reward?
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There's no mysterious paranormal force or person, but there are
plenty of men who control people like you with promises of an
"after"life.
I'm under nobody's control. I follow God all by myself.
You follow what you've been brainwashed with by other men. A delusion
that makes you feel someone else is in control and responsible. To you
life is just too scary, or death is too scary. You limit life in the
hopes that there really is a pot of gold at the end of your rainbow.
Nope. God lives in my heart who is my Lord.
That explains the lack of blood to your brain.
That only shows your willful ignorance to the spiritual.
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He is not another person or
another entity beside me. He is my true being.
Yep. You made him in your own image.
That doesn't explain why I can't imagine him. If I made him up, I should
at least be able to imagine him, but I can't, and nobody can.
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Only God is true and real,
So you say. Now prove it.
We are alive because there is a spirit of life within us to make us
alive and to support our life. Without the spirit of life, we are
nothing. We, as the souls, would not even exist. It's the light of the
spirit that provides us with consciousness and intelligence. Without
such light from the spirit, we would have no consciousness and
intelligence to identify ourselves as souls. This spirit is God's
spirit. So only God is real and true.
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and I'm not.
I can agree with that. You're not for real.
I'm only real because of the spirit of God. This is why I must be aware
that only God is real, and I'm not.
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That's why I follow him. There is no delusion
possible since what's found in my heart is always real and true.
I've found that the blood in my heart is real and true.
You only demonstrate your spiritual ignorance again.
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I'm
sure you will find and realize the same thing if you look into your own
heart.
I'm not a cardiologist.
And you are not a philosopher either. You have no understanding in
philosophy.
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You deserve pity, even if you can't see it.
I have no problem with that. This suffering life isn't exactly what I
wanted, but thanks to God, I can still make the best of it despite
what happened. To me, that is enough for me to have new found hope in
the morning. This is why God is so important to me personally.
Does that look like pity to you?
Yup - deserving of pity. "Make the best of it," sounds like someone
who sees themselves as a victim and is already beaten down.
No, it's beaten, but it will never be down. That all thanks to God.
So you can save your pity. There is no need for that. In fact, I'm
rather proud of the scars I have. It's actually an interesting and
wonderful life.
...being controlled by your insane imagination?
I pity you.
There is no imagination in anything I said. It's only inspirations from
God that I have realized in my actual spiritual practice.
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and
death. What or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a
world-view more hopeless than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you lucky
enough to stay alive. Hope, happiness, a fulfilling life,
are your responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your
responsibility?
It is your responsibility is what I just said. It is you
religious yoyo's who like to pretend that god is in charge, and
has ultimate responsibility.
Not exactly. God is the ultimate justice we can rely on. That does
not mean believers have no responsibility. I'm not disagreeing with
you. I'm just pointing out that you haven't said anything everybody
doesn't already know.
Tell that to believers who pray, believing that prayer can make a
god intercede for them. Tell it to believers who think god alone
controls the weather and climate change is not caused by humanity.
We'd still be praying to cure polio, cataracts, infections, storms,
earthquakes, etc., all believed to be caused by god's wrath at one
time.
Still cause by gods' wrath to hear Pat Robertson and other
"religious leaders."
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The destination, old age and death in this case, is not
important. The journey and the life are what is important.
Crackpot religions are just there to garner money and power,
not to enlighten or to make the journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of
God, everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to
pursue in life. So where does this journey go exactly?
The ultimate end is not important, how you got there and what
you learned is.
Where? Where is this ultimate end you are talking about? You have
no God and no heaven. Where exactly are you going?
Same place you are - reduced to elemental components to be recycled
by nature.
How is that possible? I'm a believer of God. Are you sure you want to be
where I'm going to be?
Beyond any reasonable doubt.
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You've convinced yourself that there's some mysterious invisible
honcho who you must please; and if you do things just right you
get rewarded, I'm saying that life is reward enough.
If life is already the reward, why are you still going somewhere?
Does that mean you don't like your reward?
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There's no mysterious paranormal force or person, but there are
plenty of men who control people like you with promises of an
"after"life.
I'm under nobody's control. I follow God all by myself.
You follow what you've been brainwashed with by other men. A
delusion that makes you feel someone else is in control and
responsible. To you life is just too scary, or death is too scary.
You limit life in the hopes that there really is a pot of gold at the
end of your rainbow.
Nope. God lives in my heart who is my Lord. He is not another person or
another entity beside me. He is my true being. Only God is true and
real, and I'm not. That's why I follow him. There is no delusion
possible since what's found in my heart is always real and true. I'm
sure you will find and realize the same thing if you look into your own
heart.
Some old men in fancy clothing went around all holy-like and spouted
off a lot of horse pucky about god this and god that; and you bought
into it.

You follow a fiction created by men to control other men.

You have to admit it's an ingenious gig, if horribly unethical. They
have nothing of substance to sell, they don't need an inventory, they
don't even require a building, but they do charge to tell you all
about the myth they are selling.

They tell you things like "look into your own heart." Now, how slick
is that? Telling the gullible mark that they should program
themselves with a need to acquire a delusion! It is a con artist's
dream, and it is foolproof, protected and encouraged by governments
the world over. A con that has persisted for many thousands of years.
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You deserve pity, even if you can't see it.
I have no problem with that. This suffering life isn't exactly what
I wanted, but thanks to God, I can still make the best of it
despite what happened. To me, that is enough for me to have new
found hope in the morning. This is why God is so important to me
personally.
Does that look like pity to you?
Yup - deserving of pity. "Make the best of it," sounds like someone
who sees themselves as a victim and is already beaten down.
No, it's beaten, but it will never be down. That all thanks to God.
So you can save your pity. There is no need for that. In fact, I'm
rather proud of the scars I have. It's actually an interesting and
wonderful life.
I'm in my 70's and no longer am a motorcycle bum, and it has been
years since I opened one up for a 120+ mph trip, I have collected a
few scars and broken bones along the way. Now I have a good wife and
pretty much anything I could want except the nomad lifestyle that was
so much fun. But I still have the same driving curiosity I had as a
child, and there's so much to learn that I'll never run out of that
source of satisfaction. I'll always have the memories of the places
people and things. (and I met some damn fine women.. ever go hot
potting? Get into a geothermal mud/mineral bath with lots of naked
women in a pine wood forest?) Wine women and song - a religion worth
pursuing. I once went into a topless bar in New Orleans with two
Swedish blonds that were far and away better looking than what the bar
had performing and Playboy had between it's covers. Another girl I met
in the Rockies was a screamer and I was in a "family" campground. I
walked around all day with my chest puffed out because of the looks of
envy from the men and speculation from the women. If I had to do it
again, I'd be doing it on a sailboat. I love sailing, fishing and
love handling big cruising sailboats. There's nothing like the
satisfaction of bringing in a big heavy boat under sail and stopping
it parallel to the finger-slip just a step away, while not bruising
any of the other expensive yachts nearby. A young lady I met down in
Florida, who was educated and "drop dead gorgeous" had a father that
was a big mucky-muck in the State Dept. would send me mail in official
State Department envelopes, which cause quite a stir at the
Yellowstone Park restaurant where I was a lowly breakfast/lunch cook.

I should write a book.
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age
and death. What or where is the hope? I can’t even
imagine a world-view more hopeless than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you
lucky enough to stay alive. Hope, happiness, a
fulfilling life, are your responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your
responsibility?
It is your responsibility is what I just said. It is you
religious yoyo's who like to pretend that god is in charge,
and has ultimate responsibility.
Not exactly. God is the ultimate justice we can rely on. That
does not mean believers have no responsibility. I'm not
disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that you haven't
said anything everybody doesn't already know.
Tell that to believers who pray, believing that prayer can make
a god intercede for them. Tell it to believers who think god
alone controls the weather and climate change is not caused by
humanity. We'd still be praying to cure polio, cataracts,
infections, storms, earthquakes, etc., all believed to be caused
by god's wrath at one time.
Still cause by gods' wrath to hear Pat Robertson and other
"religious leaders."
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The destination, old age and death in this case, is not
important. The journey and the life are what is
important. Crackpot religions are just there to garner
money and power, not to enlighten or to make the journey
more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the
truth of God, everything will be relative, and nothing is
worth to pursue in life. So where does this journey go
exactly?
The ultimate end is not important, how you got there and
what you learned is.
Where? Where is this ultimate end you are talking about? You
have no God and no heaven. Where exactly are you going?
Same place you are - reduced to elemental components to be
recycled by nature.
How is that possible? I'm a believer of God. Are you sure you want
to be where I'm going to be?
Beyond any reasonable doubt.
Then you need to be a believer of God also.
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You've convinced yourself that there's some mysterious
invisible honcho who you must please; and if you do things
just right you get rewarded, I'm saying that life is reward
enough.
If life is already the reward, why are you still going
somewhere? Does that mean you don't like your reward?
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There's no mysterious paranormal force or person, but there
are plenty of men who control people like you with promises
of an "after"life.
I'm under nobody's control. I follow God all by myself.
You follow what you've been brainwashed with by other men. A
delusion that makes you feel someone else is in control and
responsible. To you life is just too scary, or death is too
scary. You limit life in the hopes that there really is a pot of
gold at the end of your rainbow.
Nope. God lives in my heart who is my Lord. He is not another
person or another entity beside me. He is my true being. Only God
is true and real, and I'm not. That's why I follow him. There is no
delusion possible since what's found in my heart is always real and
true. I'm sure you will find and realize the same thing if you look
into your own heart.
Some old men in fancy clothing went around all holy-like and spouted
off a lot of horse pucky about god this and god that; and you bought
into it.
You follow a fiction created by men to control other men.
You have to admit it's an ingenious gig, if horribly unethical.
They have nothing of substance to sell, they don't need an inventory,
they don't even require a building, but they do charge to tell you
all about the myth they are selling.
They tell you things like "look into your own heart." Now, how
slick is that? Telling the gullible mark that they should program
themselves with a need to acquire a delusion! It is a con artist's
dream, and it is foolproof, protected and encouraged by governments
the world over. A con that has persisted for many thousands of years.
All of these are just your speculation and wishful thinking. It has
nothing to do with me. I'm a person who has been awaken by God
personally. Since that day, I have only been learning from God and
following God alone all by myself. Everything I know comes from my own
learning and realization. I don't even read anything due to my terribly
slow reading speed. My reading is so poor that by the time I finish
reading one page, I have already forgotten the half of it.
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You deserve pity, even if you can't see it.
I have no problem with that. This suffering life isn't exactly
what I wanted, but thanks to God, I can still make the best of
it despite what happened. To me, that is enough for me to have
new found hope in the morning. This is why God is so important
to me personally.
Does that look like pity to you?
Yup - deserving of pity. "Make the best of it," sounds like
someone who sees themselves as a victim and is already beaten
down.
No, it's beaten, but it will never be down. That all thanks to God.
So you can save your pity. There is no need for that. In fact, I'm
rather proud of the scars I have. It's actually an interesting and
wonderful life.
I'm in my 70's and no longer am a motorcycle bum, and it has been
years since I opened one up for a 120+ mph trip, I have collected a
few scars and broken bones along the way. Now I have a good wife
and pretty much anything I could want except the nomad lifestyle that
was so much fun. But I still have the same driving curiosity I had
as a child, and there's so much to learn that I'll never run out of
that source of satisfaction. I'll always have the memories of the
places people and things. (and I met some damn fine women.. ever go
hot potting? Get into a geothermal mud/mineral bath with lots of
naked women in a pine wood forest?) Wine women and song - a religion
worth pursuing. I once went into a topless bar in New Orleans with
two Swedish blonds that were far and away better looking than what
the bar had performing and Playboy had between it's covers. Another
girl I met in the Rockies was a screamer and I was in a "family"
campground. I walked around all day with my chest puffed out because
of the looks of envy from the men and speculation from the women. If
I had to do it again, I'd be doing it on a sailboat. I love sailing,
fishing and love handling big cruising sailboats. There's nothing
like the satisfaction of bringing in a big heavy boat under sail and
stopping it parallel to the finger-slip just a step away, while not
bruising any of the other expensive yachts nearby. A young lady I
met down in Florida, who was educated and "drop dead gorgeous" had a
father that was a big mucky-muck in the State Dept. would send me
mail in official State Department envelopes, which cause quite a stir
at the Yellowstone Park restaurant where I was a lowly
breakfast/lunch cook.
I should write a book.
Yes, you should. unfortunately for me, nothing in my life has anything
that is even close to what you have had. My life is quite ordinary and
boring. Nonetheless, it's still wonderful to me because I have God who
actually loves me so much. Apart from God, I have nothing that I can
brag about, and I can't even brag about God's love.
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Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age
and death. What or where is the hope? I can’t even
imagine a world-view more hopeless than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you
lucky enough to stay alive. Hope, happiness, a
fulfilling life, are your responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your
responsibility?
It is your responsibility is what I just said. It is you
religious yoyo's who like to pretend that god is in charge,
and has ultimate responsibility.
Not exactly. God is the ultimate justice we can rely on. That
does not mean believers have no responsibility. I'm not
disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that you haven't
said anything everybody doesn't already know.
Tell that to believers who pray, believing that prayer can make
a god intercede for them. Tell it to believers who think god
alone controls the weather and climate change is not caused by
humanity. We'd still be praying to cure polio, cataracts,
infections, storms, earthquakes, etc., all believed to be caused
by god's wrath at one time.
Still cause by gods' wrath to hear Pat Robertson and other
"religious leaders."
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The destination, old age and death in this case, is not
important. The journey and the life are what is
important. Crackpot religions are just there to garner
money and power, not to enlighten or to make the journey
more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the
truth of God, everything will be relative, and nothing is
worth to pursue in life. So where does this journey go
exactly?
The ultimate end is not important, how you got there and
what you learned is.
Where? Where is this ultimate end you are talking about? You
have no God and no heaven. Where exactly are you going?
Same place you are - reduced to elemental components to be
recycled by nature.
How is that possible? I'm a believer of God. Are you sure you want
to be where I'm going to be?
Beyond any reasonable doubt.
Then you need to be a believer of God also.
I'm sorry, I didn't make that clear. I assume we will both wind up as
elemental particles, and you thought there is a heavenly reward.

Death is the end, no escaping, no afterlife. I DON'T want to be
delusional before I die.
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You've convinced yourself that there's some mysterious
invisible honcho who you must please; and if you do things
just right you get rewarded, I'm saying that life is reward
enough.
If life is already the reward, why are you still going
somewhere? Does that mean you don't like your reward?
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There's no mysterious paranormal force or person, but there
are plenty of men who control people like you with promises
of an "after"life.
I'm under nobody's control. I follow God all by myself.
You follow what you've been brainwashed with by other men. A
delusion that makes you feel someone else is in control and
responsible. To you life is just too scary, or death is too
scary. You limit life in the hopes that there really is a pot of
gold at the end of your rainbow.
Nope. God lives in my heart who is my Lord. He is not another
person or another entity beside me. He is my true being. Only God
is true and real, and I'm not. That's why I follow him. There is no
delusion possible since what's found in my heart is always real and
true. I'm sure you will find and realize the same thing if you look
into your own heart.
Some old men in fancy clothing went around all holy-like and spouted
off a lot of horse pucky about god this and god that; and you bought
into it.
You follow a fiction created by men to control other men.
You have to admit it's an ingenious gig, if horribly unethical.
They have nothing of substance to sell, they don't need an inventory,
they don't even require a building, but they do charge to tell you
all about the myth they are selling.
They tell you things like "look into your own heart." Now, how
slick is that? Telling the gullible mark that they should program
themselves with a need to acquire a delusion! It is a con artist's
dream, and it is foolproof, protected and encouraged by governments
the world over. A con that has persisted for many thousands of years.
All of these are just your speculation and wishful thinking. It has
nothing to do with me. I'm a person who has been awaken by God
personally. Since that day, I have only been learning from God and
following God alone all by myself. Everything I know comes from my own
learning and realization. I don't even read anything due to my terribly
slow reading speed. My reading is so poor that by the time I finish
reading one page, I have already forgotten the half of it.
The "born again" syndrome. The hype is all around you and you sucked
it up so you too can feel special. You've just succumbed to clever
marketing and peer pressure. And, since the title of this thread is
"finding hope," we should add a feeling of hapless hopelessness.

Marketing is the art of creating a need where none exists. They tell
you what you "need" to feel happy.
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You deserve pity, even if you can't see it.
I have no problem with that. This suffering life isn't exactly
what I wanted, but thanks to God, I can still make the best of
it despite what happened. To me, that is enough for me to have
new found hope in the morning. This is why God is so important
to me personally.
Does that look like pity to you?
Yup - deserving of pity. "Make the best of it," sounds like
someone who sees themselves as a victim and is already beaten
down.
No, it's beaten, but it will never be down. That all thanks to God.
So you can save your pity. There is no need for that. In fact, I'm
rather proud of the scars I have. It's actually an interesting and
wonderful life.
I'm in my 70's and no longer am a motorcycle bum, and it has been
years since I opened one up for a 120+ mph trip, I have collected a
few scars and broken bones along the way. Now I have a good wife
and pretty much anything I could want except the nomad lifestyle that
was so much fun. But I still have the same driving curiosity I had
as a child, and there's so much to learn that I'll never run out of
that source of satisfaction. I'll always have the memories of the
places people and things. (and I met some damn fine women.. ever go
hot potting? Get into a geothermal mud/mineral bath with lots of
naked women in a pine wood forest?) Wine women and song - a religion
worth pursuing. I once went into a topless bar in New Orleans with
two Swedish blonds that were far and away better looking than what
the bar had performing and Playboy had between it's covers. Another
girl I met in the Rockies was a screamer and I was in a "family"
campground. I walked around all day with my chest puffed out because
of the looks of envy from the men and speculation from the women. If
I had to do it again, I'd be doing it on a sailboat. I love sailing,
fishing and love handling big cruising sailboats. There's nothing
like the satisfaction of bringing in a big heavy boat under sail and
stopping it parallel to the finger-slip just a step away, while not
bruising any of the other expensive yachts nearby. A young lady I
met down in Florida, who was educated and "drop dead gorgeous" had a
father that was a big mucky-muck in the State Dept. would send me
mail in official State Department envelopes, which cause quite a stir
at the Yellowstone Park restaurant where I was a lowly
breakfast/lunch cook.
I should write a book.
Yes, you should. unfortunately for me, nothing in my life has anything
that is even close to what you have had. My life is quite ordinary and
boring. Nonetheless, it's still wonderful to me because I have God who
actually loves me so much. Apart from God, I have nothing that I can
brag about, and I can't even brag about God's love.
It is only a matter of spirit. Too many of us are "risk adverse" IMO.
We are programmed to seek safety and security to the point where we
don't take a risk when it can be avoided. Greater risk often provides
a greater reward. Providing you learn and survive, you build the
confidence to push the envelope a little further.

Check out


I envy her. Watch the full documentary if you can find it, it shows a
self - narrated scared little energetic teenybopper at 15 turn into
the most "together" self-confident woman you could imagine at 16.

You can't teach that sort of thing, in fact I'd say all schools and
nearly all parents would be dismayed by letting a child grow in that
way. Laura Dekker holds the world record for youngest
solo-circumnavigating woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/20/laura-dekker-missing
Missing Dutch sailor Laura Dekker, 14, found on Caribbean island
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age
and death. What or where is the hope? I can’t even
imagine a world-view more hopeless than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you
lucky enough to stay alive. Hope, happiness, a
fulfilling life, are your responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your
responsibility?
It is your responsibility is what I just said. It is you
religious yoyo's who like to pretend that god is in charge,
and has ultimate responsibility.
Not exactly. God is the ultimate justice we can rely on. That
does not mean believers have no responsibility. I'm not
disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that you haven't
said anything everybody doesn't already know.
Tell that to believers who pray, believing that prayer can make
a god intercede for them. Tell it to believers who think god
alone controls the weather and climate change is not caused by
humanity. We'd still be praying to cure polio, cataracts,
infections, storms, earthquakes, etc., all believed to be caused
by god's wrath at one time.
Still cause by gods' wrath to hear Pat Robertson and other
"religious leaders."
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The destination, old age and death in this case, is not
important. The journey and the life are what is
important. Crackpot religions are just there to garner
money and power, not to enlighten or to make the journey
more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the
truth of God, everything will be relative, and nothing is
worth to pursue in life. So where does this journey go
exactly?
The ultimate end is not important, how you got there and
what you learned is.
Where? Where is this ultimate end you are talking about? You
have no God and no heaven. Where exactly are you going?
Same place you are - reduced to elemental components to be
recycled by nature.
How is that possible? I'm a believer of God. Are you sure you want
to be where I'm going to be?
Beyond any reasonable doubt.
Then you need to be a believer of God also.
I'm sorry, I didn't make that clear. I assume we will both wind up as
elemental particles, and you thought there is a heavenly reward.
Death is the end, no escaping, no afterlife. I DON'T want to be
delusional before I die.
That's why we are different. I don't identify my physical body as me.
When I try to identify myself, I point at my heart. That is where "I"
am. That is the real me.
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You've convinced yourself that there's some mysterious
invisible honcho who you must please; and if you do things
just right you get rewarded, I'm saying that life is reward
enough.
If life is already the reward, why are you still going
somewhere? Does that mean you don't like your reward?
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There's no mysterious paranormal force or person, but there
are plenty of men who control people like you with promises
of an "after"life.
I'm under nobody's control. I follow God all by myself.
You follow what you've been brainwashed with by other men. A
delusion that makes you feel someone else is in control and
responsible. To you life is just too scary, or death is too
scary. You limit life in the hopes that there really is a pot of
gold at the end of your rainbow.
Nope. God lives in my heart who is my Lord. He is not another
person or another entity beside me. He is my true being. Only God
is true and real, and I'm not. That's why I follow him. There is no
delusion possible since what's found in my heart is always real and
true. I'm sure you will find and realize the same thing if you look
into your own heart.
Some old men in fancy clothing went around all holy-like and spouted
off a lot of horse pucky about god this and god that; and you bought
into it.
You follow a fiction created by men to control other men.
You have to admit it's an ingenious gig, if horribly unethical.
They have nothing of substance to sell, they don't need an inventory,
they don't even require a building, but they do charge to tell you
all about the myth they are selling.
They tell you things like "look into your own heart." Now, how
slick is that? Telling the gullible mark that they should program
themselves with a need to acquire a delusion! It is a con artist's
dream, and it is foolproof, protected and encouraged by governments
the world over. A con that has persisted for many thousands of years.
All of these are just your speculation and wishful thinking. It has
nothing to do with me. I'm a person who has been awaken by God
personally. Since that day, I have only been learning from God and
following God alone all by myself. Everything I know comes from my own
learning and realization. I don't even read anything due to my terribly
slow reading speed. My reading is so poor that by the time I finish
reading one page, I have already forgotten the half of it.
The "born again" syndrome. The hype is all around you and you sucked
it up so you too can feel special. You've just succumbed to clever
marketing and peer pressure. And, since the title of this thread is
"finding hope," we should add a feeling of hapless hopelessness.
Marketing is the art of creating a need where none exists. They tell
you what you "need" to feel happy.
I have no idea what you are talking about. It has nothing to do with
what I just said.
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You deserve pity, even if you can't see it.
I have no problem with that. This suffering life isn't exactly
what I wanted, but thanks to God, I can still make the best of
it despite what happened. To me, that is enough for me to have
new found hope in the morning. This is why God is so important
to me personally.
Does that look like pity to you?
Yup - deserving of pity. "Make the best of it," sounds like
someone who sees themselves as a victim and is already beaten
down.
No, it's beaten, but it will never be down. That all thanks to God.
So you can save your pity. There is no need for that. In fact, I'm
rather proud of the scars I have. It's actually an interesting and
wonderful life.
I'm in my 70's and no longer am a motorcycle bum, and it has been
years since I opened one up for a 120+ mph trip, I have collected a
few scars and broken bones along the way. Now I have a good wife
and pretty much anything I could want except the nomad lifestyle that
was so much fun. But I still have the same driving curiosity I had
as a child, and there's so much to learn that I'll never run out of
that source of satisfaction. I'll always have the memories of the
places people and things. (and I met some damn fine women.. ever go
hot potting? Get into a geothermal mud/mineral bath with lots of
naked women in a pine wood forest?) Wine women and song - a religion
worth pursuing. I once went into a topless bar in New Orleans with
two Swedish blonds that were far and away better looking than what
the bar had performing and Playboy had between it's covers. Another
girl I met in the Rockies was a screamer and I was in a "family"
campground. I walked around all day with my chest puffed out because
of the looks of envy from the men and speculation from the women. If
I had to do it again, I'd be doing it on a sailboat. I love sailing,
fishing and love handling big cruising sailboats. There's nothing
like the satisfaction of bringing in a big heavy boat under sail and
stopping it parallel to the finger-slip just a step away, while not
bruising any of the other expensive yachts nearby. A young lady I
met down in Florida, who was educated and "drop dead gorgeous" had a
father that was a big mucky-muck in the State Dept. would send me
mail in official State Department envelopes, which cause quite a stir
at the Yellowstone Park restaurant where I was a lowly
breakfast/lunch cook.
I should write a book.
Yes, you should. unfortunately for me, nothing in my life has anything
that is even close to what you have had. My life is quite ordinary and
boring. Nonetheless, it's still wonderful to me because I have God who
actually loves me so much. Apart from God, I have nothing that I can
brag about, and I can't even brag about God's love.
It is only a matter of spirit. Too many of us are "risk adverse" IMO.
We are programmed to seek safety and security to the point where we
don't take a risk when it can be avoided. Greater risk often provides
a greater reward. Providing you learn and survive, you build the
confidence to push the envelope a little further.
Check out http://youtu.be/BA60BScgmzw
I envy her. Watch the full documentary if you can find it, it shows a
self - narrated scared little energetic teenybopper at 15 turn into
the most "together" self-confident woman you could imagine at 16.
You can't teach that sort of thing, in fact I'd say all schools and
nearly all parents would be dismayed by letting a child grow in that
way. Laura Dekker holds the world record for youngest
solo-circumnavigating woman.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/20/laura-dekker-missing
Missing Dutch sailor Laura Dekker, 14, found on Caribbean island
Thanks for such amazing story, but following Christ is my only goal in
life. I will have no other goal to interfere with this goal of mine.
--
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Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age
and death. What or where is the hope? I can’t even
imagine a world-view more hopeless than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you
lucky enough to stay alive. Hope, happiness, a
fulfilling life, are your responsibility.
That's the same as saying nothing. What's not your
responsibility?
It is your responsibility is what I just said. It is you
religious yoyo's who like to pretend that god is in charge,
and has ultimate responsibility.
Not exactly. God is the ultimate justice we can rely on. That
does not mean believers have no responsibility. I'm not
disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that you haven't
said anything everybody doesn't already know.
Tell that to believers who pray, believing that prayer can make
a god intercede for them. Tell it to believers who think god
alone controls the weather and climate change is not caused by
humanity. We'd still be praying to cure polio, cataracts,
infections, storms, earthquakes, etc., all believed to be caused
by god's wrath at one time.
Still cause by gods' wrath to hear Pat Robertson and other
"religious leaders."
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The destination, old age and death in this case, is not
important. The journey and the life are what is
important. Crackpot religions are just there to garner
money and power, not to enlighten or to make the journey
more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the
truth of God, everything will be relative, and nothing is
worth to pursue in life. So where does this journey go
exactly?
The ultimate end is not important, how you got there and
what you learned is.
Where? Where is this ultimate end you are talking about? You
have no God and no heaven. Where exactly are you going?
Same place you are - reduced to elemental components to be
recycled by nature.
How is that possible? I'm a believer of God. Are you sure you want
to be where I'm going to be?
Beyond any reasonable doubt.
Then you need to be a believer of God also.
I'm sorry, I didn't make that clear. I assume we will both wind up as
elemental particles, and you thought there is a heavenly reward.
Death is the end, no escaping, no afterlife. I DON'T want to be
delusional before I die.
That's why we are different. I don't identify my physical body as me.
When I try to identify myself, I point at my heart. That is where "I"
am. That is the real me.
I'm still inside my head - lots and lots of synapses hold my memory
and all that I am. People with dementia or mad cow are dying more
slowly.
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You've convinced yourself that there's some mysterious
invisible honcho who you must please; and if you do things
just right you get rewarded, I'm saying that life is reward
enough.
If life is already the reward, why are you still going
somewhere? Does that mean you don't like your reward?
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There's no mysterious paranormal force or person, but there
are plenty of men who control people like you with promises
of an "after"life.
I'm under nobody's control. I follow God all by myself.
You follow what you've been brainwashed with by other men. A
delusion that makes you feel someone else is in control and
responsible. To you life is just too scary, or death is too
scary. You limit life in the hopes that there really is a pot of
gold at the end of your rainbow.
Nope. God lives in my heart who is my Lord. He is not another
person or another entity beside me. He is my true being. Only God
is true and real, and I'm not. That's why I follow him. There is no
delusion possible since what's found in my heart is always real and
true. I'm sure you will find and realize the same thing if you look
into your own heart.
Some old men in fancy clothing went around all holy-like and spouted
off a lot of horse pucky about god this and god that; and you bought
into it.
You follow a fiction created by men to control other men.
You have to admit it's an ingenious gig, if horribly unethical.
They have nothing of substance to sell, they don't need an inventory,
they don't even require a building, but they do charge to tell you
all about the myth they are selling.
They tell you things like "look into your own heart." Now, how
slick is that? Telling the gullible mark that they should program
themselves with a need to acquire a delusion! It is a con artist's
dream, and it is foolproof, protected and encouraged by governments
the world over. A con that has persisted for many thousands of years.
All of these are just your speculation and wishful thinking. It has
nothing to do with me. I'm a person who has been awaken by God
personally. Since that day, I have only been learning from God and
following God alone all by myself. Everything I know comes from my own
learning and realization. I don't even read anything due to my terribly
slow reading speed. My reading is so poor that by the time I finish
reading one page, I have already forgotten the half of it.
The "born again" syndrome. The hype is all around you and you sucked
it up so you too can feel special. You've just succumbed to clever
marketing and peer pressure. And, since the title of this thread is
"finding hope," we should add a feeling of hapless hopelessness.
Marketing is the art of creating a need where none exists. They tell
you what you "need" to feel happy.
I have no idea what you are talking about. It has nothing to do with
what I just said.
Religions are run like corporations, especially in the US. They just
don't report their financial gains and get away with murder.

It is all about marketing - one religion over another at some level,
but all of them trying to look attractive to snag another gullible
follower.

You just got sucked into the "born-again" marketing hype.
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You deserve pity, even if you can't see it.
I have no problem with that. This suffering life isn't exactly
what I wanted, but thanks to God, I can still make the best of
it despite what happened. To me, that is enough for me to have
new found hope in the morning. This is why God is so important
to me personally.
Does that look like pity to you?
Yup - deserving of pity. "Make the best of it," sounds like
someone who sees themselves as a victim and is already beaten
down.
No, it's beaten, but it will never be down. That all thanks to God.
So you can save your pity. There is no need for that. In fact, I'm
rather proud of the scars I have. It's actually an interesting and
wonderful life.
I'm in my 70's and no longer am a motorcycle bum, and it has been
years since I opened one up for a 120+ mph trip, I have collected a
few scars and broken bones along the way. Now I have a good wife
and pretty much anything I could want except the nomad lifestyle that
was so much fun. But I still have the same driving curiosity I had
as a child, and there's so much to learn that I'll never run out of
that source of satisfaction. I'll always have the memories of the
places people and things. (and I met some damn fine women.. ever go
hot potting? Get into a geothermal mud/mineral bath with lots of
naked women in a pine wood forest?) Wine women and song - a religion
worth pursuing. I once went into a topless bar in New Orleans with
two Swedish blonds that were far and away better looking than what
the bar had performing and Playboy had between it's covers. Another
girl I met in the Rockies was a screamer and I was in a "family"
campground. I walked around all day with my chest puffed out because
of the looks of envy from the men and speculation from the women. If
I had to do it again, I'd be doing it on a sailboat. I love sailing,
fishing and love handling big cruising sailboats. There's nothing
like the satisfaction of bringing in a big heavy boat under sail and
stopping it parallel to the finger-slip just a step away, while not
bruising any of the other expensive yachts nearby. A young lady I
met down in Florida, who was educated and "drop dead gorgeous" had a
father that was a big mucky-muck in the State Dept. would send me
mail in official State Department envelopes, which cause quite a stir
at the Yellowstone Park restaurant where I was a lowly
breakfast/lunch cook.
I should write a book.
Yes, you should. unfortunately for me, nothing in my life has anything
that is even close to what you have had. My life is quite ordinary and
boring. Nonetheless, it's still wonderful to me because I have God who
actually loves me so much. Apart from God, I have nothing that I can
brag about, and I can't even brag about God's love.
It is only a matter of spirit. Too many of us are "risk adverse" IMO.
We are programmed to seek safety and security to the point where we
don't take a risk when it can be avoided. Greater risk often provides
a greater reward. Providing you learn and survive, you build the
confidence to push the envelope a little further.
Check out http://youtu.be/BA60BScgmzw
I envy her. Watch the full documentary if you can find it, it shows a
self - narrated scared little energetic teenybopper at 15 turn into
the most "together" self-confident woman you could imagine at 16.
You can't teach that sort of thing, in fact I'd say all schools and
nearly all parents would be dismayed by letting a child grow in that
way. Laura Dekker holds the world record for youngest
solo-circumnavigating woman.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/20/laura-dekker-missing
Missing Dutch sailor Laura Dekker, 14, found on Caribbean island
Thanks for such amazing story, but following Christ is my only goal in
life. I will have no other goal to interfere with this goal of mine.
Chasing the ephemeral rainbow or butter fly. Real enlightenment comes
from within, not from some joker in a black dress.
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What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
"All roads in life lead nowhere, So chose the one with the most joy and heart".

Zen saying (allegedly).
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journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
What a fucking moron.

The only people who _could think that, are those brainwashed into the
kind of t heism which refuses to acknowledge other views.
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"All roads in life lead nowhere, So chose the one with the most joy and heart".
Zen saying (allegedly).
Why aren't Americans as rude to their loonies as the Europeans are to
theirs?
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journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
What a fucking moron.
The only people who _could think that, are those brainwashed into the
kind of t heism which refuses to acknowledge other views.
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"All roads in life lead nowhere, So chose the one with the most joy and heart".
Zen saying (allegedly).
Why aren't Americans as rude to their loonies as the Europeans are to
theirs?
You have to be careful. One of the loons may wind up
in high elective office. :)

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journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
What a fucking moron.
The only people who _could think that, are those brainwashed into the
kind of t heism which refuses to acknowledge other views.
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"All roads in life lead nowhere, So chose the one with the most joy and heart".
Zen saying (allegedly).
Why aren't Americans as rude to their loonies as the Europeans are to
theirs?
You have to be careful. One of the loons may wind up
in high elective office. :)
One? We seem to have a million of them.
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journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
What a fucking moron.
The only people who _could think that, are those brainwashed into the
kind of t heism which refuses to acknowledge other views.
CHRISTopher is too closed minded to realize he has become just that which he hates so very much.
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journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
"All roads in life lead nowhere, So chose the one with the most joy and heart".
Zen saying (allegedly).
The one with the most joy and heart would be the one to follow Jesus.
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What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
"All roads in life lead nowhere, So chose the one with the most joy and heart".
Zen saying (allegedly).
The one with the most joy and heart would be the one to follow Jesus.
Follow your heart, not what people tell you.
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What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
"All roads in life lead nowhere, So chose the one with the most joy and heart".
Zen saying (allegedly).
The one with the most joy and heart would be the one to follow Jesus.
Follow your heart, not what people tell you.
Follow your heart, because that's where the spirit of Christ lives.
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Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
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What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
"All roads in life lead nowhere, So chose the one with the most joy and heart".
Zen saying (allegedly).
The one with the most joy and heart would be the one to follow Jesus.
Follow your heart, not what people tell you.
Follow your heart, because that's where the spirit of Christ lives.
No, that's just you following some con artist.
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journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
"All roads in life lead nowhere, So chose the one with the most joy and heart".
Zen saying (allegedly).
The one with the most joy and heart would be the one to follow Jesus.
Follow your heart, not what people tell you.
Follow your heart, because that's where the spirit of Christ lives.
No, that's just you following some con artist.
Everything that has been found in my heart says otherwise. My love, my
faith, and my courage all disagree. They all testify for Christ.
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journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
"All roads in life lead nowhere, So chose the one with the most joy and heart".
Zen saying (allegedly).
The one with the most joy and heart would be the one to follow Jesus.
Follow your heart, not what people tell you.
Follow your heart, because that's where the spirit of Christ lives.
No, that's just you following some con artist.
Everything that has been found in my heart says otherwise. My love, my
faith, and my courage all disagree. They all testify for Christ.
And only by an accident of birth... In Iran you'd be the suckered
little Muslim, in Israel you'd be the Jew, without a Christ.
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journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
"All roads in life lead nowhere, So chose the one with the most joy and heart".
Zen saying (allegedly).
Makes perfect sense.
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journey more rewarding.
What life and what journey? If there is no God and the truth of God,
everything will be relative, and nothing is worth to pursue in life. So
where does this journey go exactly?
"All roads in life lead nowhere, So chose the one with the most joy and heart".
Zen saying (allegedly).
This aaa needs to look up to his master Jesus for eternity, and may be he just wishes his master can have a more forgiving temperament!!!
Imagine that he cannot commit suicide if things go wrong....
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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you lucky enough to
stay alive. Hope, happiness, a fulfilling life, are your
responsibility.
The destination, old age and death in this case, is not important. The
journey and the life are what is important. Crackpot religions are
just there to garner money and power, not to enlighten or to make the
journey more rewarding.
Sounds like you've already selected the eternal fires for your final address.

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In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and death. What
or where is the hope? I can’t even imagine a world-view more hopeless
than atheism.
All anyone has is old age and death, and that's if you lucky enough to
stay alive. Hope, happiness, a fulfilling life, are your
responsibility.
The destination, old age and death in this case, is not important. The
journey and the life are what is important. Crackpot religions are
just there to garner money and power, not to enlighten or to make the
journey more rewarding.
Sounds like you've already selected the eternal fires for your final address.
My religious beliefs include wine women and song. We lack the concept
of a lake of fire, or even guilt/punishment for enjoying life.
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How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
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That tells you all you need know about him.

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Does that mean you have rejected his "rational thinking"?
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How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
living, what's the point of thinking?
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He contemplates living without thinking.
That tells you all you need know about him.
Does that mean you have rejected his "rational thinking"?
To know god, you must abandon reason.

Do try to keep up.
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How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
living, what's the point of thinking?
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He contemplates living without thinking.
That tells you all you need know about him.
Does that mean you have rejected his "rational thinking"?
To know god, you must abandon reason.
Do try to keep up.
Wrong. To know God, you have to defy the logic of mind for the truth in
the heart. The logic of man is always false in the face of the truth of God.
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How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
living, what's the point of thinking?
--
He contemplates living without thinking.
That tells you all you need know about him.
Does that mean you have rejected his "rational thinking"?
To know god, you must abandon reason.
Do try to keep up.
Wrong. To know God, you have to defy the logic of mind for the truth in
the heart. The logic of man is always false in the face of the truth of God.
We can agree then: knowing god flies in the face of reason.
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thinking !
How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
living, what's the point of thinking?
--
He contemplates living without thinking.
That tells you all you need know about him.
Does that mean you have rejected his "rational thinking"?
To know god, you must abandon reason.
Do try to keep up.
Wrong. To know God, you have to defy the logic of mind for the truth in
the heart. The logic of man is always false in the face of the truth of God.
We can agree then: knowing god flies in the face of reason.
Without the truth of God, there can be no real reason to exist. Reason
must be justified by the truth first and foremost. It must be based on
the truth.
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It's not about finding some imagined hope, it's about sane rational
thinking !
How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
living, what's the point of thinking?
--
He contemplates living without thinking.
That tells you all you need know about him.
Does that mean you have rejected his "rational thinking"?
To know god, you must abandon reason.
Do try to keep up.
Wrong. To know God, you have to defy the logic of mind for the truth in
the heart. The logic of man is always false in the face of the truth of God.
We can agree then: knowing god flies in the face of reason.
Without the truth of God, there can be no real reason to exist. Reason
must be justified by the truth first and foremost. It must be based on
the truth.
Truth is real, provable and not imagined. Everything else is in
doubt.
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How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
living, what's the point of thinking?
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He contemplates living without thinking.
That tells you all you need know about him.
Does that mean you have rejected his "rational thinking"?
To know god, you must abandon reason.
Do try to keep up.
Wrong. To know God, you have to defy the logic of mind for the truth in
the heart. The logic of man is always false in the face of the truth of God.
We can agree then: knowing god flies in the face of reason.
Without the truth of God, there can be no real reason to exist. Reason
must be justified by the truth first and foremost. It must be based on
the truth.
Truth is real, provable and not imagined. Everything else is in
doubt.
I'm not talking about the provable truth. I'm talking about the absolute
truth that proves all other truths. Without it, reason has no place to
start.
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How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
living, what's the point of thinking?
He contemplates living without thinking.
As evidenced by his posting record.
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That tells you all you need know about him.
Nothing new there.
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His religion forbids thinking. He is a good, albeit lifeless,
Christian.
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That tells you all you need know about him.
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That tells you all you need know about him.
I wonder whether any of these guys has ever prayed to their god to
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How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
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Glad to see you admit to not thinking.
It confirms my opinion of you.
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How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
living, what's the point of thinking?
Glad to see you admit to not thinking.
It confirms my opinion of you.
Only because intellectual thinking will never understand the truth.
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How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
living, what's the point of thinking?
If you are already living life to the fullest, there's no need of
"hope;" you are free to think.

Hope for what? An afterdeath? Make this life count and let someone
else worry about god's and demon's, and keeping them happy or
thwarted. A life is a terrible thing to waste.
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How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
living, what's the point of thinking?
If you are already living life to the fullest, there's no need of
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Without hope, there is no way to live life to the fullest. You wouldn't
even have a real goal to live your life.
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Hope for what? An afterdeath? Make this life count and let someone
else worry about god's and demon's, and keeping them happy or
thwarted. A life is a terrible thing to waste.
One can hope for many things in life, but the real goal of life in this
world is to hope for the realization of God's truth. Life is never a
waste if one doesn't give up to hope for knowing the truth. The truth
will ultimately make whatever life we have worthwhile and meaningful.
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How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
living, what's the point of thinking?
If you are already living life to the fullest, there's no need of
"hope;" you are free to think.
Without hope, there is no way to live life to the fullest. You wouldn't
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Hope for what? An afterdeath? Make this life count and let someone
else worry about god's and demon's, and keeping them happy or
thwarted. A life is a terrible thing to waste.
One can hope for many things in life, but the real goal of life in this
world is to hope for the realization of God's truth. Life is never a
waste if one doesn't give up to hope for knowing the truth. The truth
will ultimately make whatever life we have worthwhile and meaningful.
Hope is for the hopeless, or hapless in your case.
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If you are already living life to the fullest, there's no need of
"hope;" you are free to think.
Without hope, there is no way to live life to the fullest. You wouldn't
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Hope for what? An afterdeath? Make this life count and let someone
else worry about god's and demon's, and keeping them happy or
thwarted. A life is a terrible thing to waste.
One can hope for many things in life, but the real goal of life in this
world is to hope for the realization of God's truth. Life is never a
waste if one doesn't give up to hope for knowing the truth. The truth
will ultimately make whatever life we have worthwhile and meaningful.
Hope is for the hopeless, or hapless in your case.
Without God, all are hopeless and hapless.
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How does thinking help living when there is no hope? If it's no way of
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Without hope, there is no way to live life to the fullest. You wouldn't
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Hope for what? An afterdeath? Make this life count and let someone
else worry about god's and demon's, and keeping them happy or
thwarted. A life is a terrible thing to waste.
One can hope for many things in life, but the real goal of life in this
world is to hope for the realization of God's truth. Life is never a
waste if one doesn't give up to hope for knowing the truth. The truth
will ultimately make whatever life we have worthwhile and meaningful.
Hope is for the hopeless, or hapless in your case.
Without God, all are hopeless and hapless.
Speak for yourself alone.
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living, what's the point of thinking?
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Without hope, there is no way to live life to the fullest. You wouldn't
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Hope for what? An afterdeath? Make this life count and let someone
else worry about god's and demon's, and keeping them happy or
thwarted. A life is a terrible thing to waste.
One can hope for many things in life, but the real goal of life in this
world is to hope for the realization of God's truth. Life is never a
waste if one doesn't give up to hope for knowing the truth. The truth
will ultimately make whatever life we have worthwhile and meaningful.
Hope is for the hopeless, or hapless in your case.
Without God, all are hopeless and hapless.
Speak for yourself alone.
Yes, that's why I believe it's the same for everyone.
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You? Sane rational thinking? hahaha :) There is nothing more
irrational and brain-dead thinking than atheism.

Seriously, who but a complete anti-intellectual scumbag would believe
that the world created itself out of a bunch of chemicals?


----but, but, but there is no magic involved in creating life. It's
all a natural process. If you ask me what exactly is that natural
process, I have no idea, I just call it a natural process to make it
sound like it's science, to fool creationists into thinking, that I
know what I'm talking about.

These poor religious fanatics, they need some magical, invisible pixie
sitting in the sky, to explain nature, but me? Forget it, I don't need
magic to explain nature, because it's all a naturall process.

You see, first there was a point... I call the point a singularity to
make it sound less ridiculous, I fabulate it's a point of all mass,
space, and time, so no need to worry about what was outside the point,
because there was nothing outside the point - no space, no time, no
mass, no condencity, no nothing, you understand? There was only the
point, and from that point a universe came out, just like that, for no
apparent reason, it just happened, see? No magic involved... it's all
a natural process, and as we all know natural processes are very
scientic.

I won't get into what happened with the natural processes after the
universe popped into existence - how life evolved out of chemicals and
then transmuted from an amoeba into a talking human being. Don't worry
yourself about all these annoying details, all you have to understand
is that it's completely natural and scientific.... and that it
happened over long, long time. That's all you have to know.

Also, don't worry yourself that noone with a brain actually believes
the world created itself out of a bunch of chemicals, don't worry that
the most prominent and brainy scientists on the planet support the
idea of ID - Intelligent Design, simply because it makes more sense.

That's totally inconsequential. All you have to know, is that it's all
completely natural. It doesn't matter you have no clue what it means
or entails. You simply have to repeat it like a mantra, just try it -
natural process, natural process, natural natural process process, no
magic, no magic, magic magic no no... see how good it makes you feel?

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a
superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry
and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about
in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so
overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." - Fred
Hoyle, astrophysicist
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We can’t.
In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and
death. What or where is the hope?
Better than living a life of delusion and fantasy like a mentally
defective child.
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We can’t.
In atheism, all one has to look forward to is old age and
death. What or where is the hope?
Better than living a life of delusion and fantasy like a mentally
defective child.
It's not possible to have delusion or fantasy if one is with God who is
the truth that will dispel all delusions and fantasies.
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