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logical conclusion of atheistic evolution - it is self defeating
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Quark E
2010-07-17 16:34:44 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.

Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.

Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.

He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.

What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?

Nada.

They are identical.
Sara Brum
2010-07-17 17:19:07 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
I could be polite and call this science fiction since you tossed in those
uber kewl sciency terms "planck's energy" [sic] and "big bang event", though
as it stands it's more wild speculation than anything else. Perhaps you
could take a creative writing course, do some serious research, flesh it out
a little and get it published?

Or not.

In any event, the concept has been explored before by some very talented
writers, for example, Isaac Asimov in his 1956 short story "The Last
Question." It's not the exact scenario you've posited, but the parallel is
there.
Michael
2010-07-17 19:30:56 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
I could be polite and call this science fiction since you tossed in those
uber kewl sciency terms "planck's energy" [sic] and "big bang event", though
as it stands it's more wild speculation than anything else.  Perhaps you
could take a creative writing course, do some serious research, flesh it out
a little and get it published?
Or not.
In any event, the concept has been explored before by some very talented
writers, for example, Isaac Asimov in his 1956 short story "The Last
Question."  It's not the exact scenario you've posited, but the parallel is
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So since atheistic evolution leads to a god, it is self defeating.
Tim DeLaney
2010-07-17 22:21:38 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
I could be polite and call this science fiction since you tossed in those
uber kewl sciency terms "planck's energy" [sic] and "big bang event", though
as it stands it's more wild speculation than anything else.  Perhaps you
could take a creative writing course, do some serious research, flesh it out
a little and get it published?
Or not.
In any event, the concept has been explored before by some very talented
writers, for example, Isaac Asimov in his 1956 short story "The Last
Question."  It's not the exact scenario you've posited, but the parallel is
there.- Hide quoted text -
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So, I am not the only one who was reminded
of this famous science fiction short story.
(Written, BTW, by one of our era's most
intelligent and prominent atheists.)

Completely off this particular topic, there are
three other titles I remember in particular: "The
Cold Equations", "All You Zombies" and "I Have
No Mouth, But I must Scream". Sara, do you
have any others that you find memorable?

Tim
Harry F. Leopold
2010-07-18 13:51:24 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:21:38 -0500, Tim DeLaney wrote
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
I could be polite and call this science fiction since you tossed in those
uber kewl sciency terms "planck's energy" [sic] and "big bang event", though
as it stands it's more wild speculation than anything else.  Perhaps you
could take a creative writing course, do some serious research, flesh it out
a little and get it published?
Or not.
In any event, the concept has been explored before by some very talented
writers, for example, Isaac Asimov in his 1956 short story "The Last
Question."  It's not the exact scenario you've posited, but the parallel is
there.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So, I am not the only one who was reminded
of this famous science fiction short story.
(Written, BTW, by one of our era's most
intelligent and prominent atheists.)
Completely off this particular topic, there are
three other titles I remember in particular: "The
Cold Equations",
Chris Anvil was one great, enjoyable writer.
Post by Tim DeLaney
"All You Zombies"
This was Heinlein, wasn't it?
Post by Tim DeLaney
and "I Have
No Mouth, But I must Scream". Sara, do you
have any others that you find memorable?
Tim
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2010-07-18 14:34:43 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
I could be polite and call this science fiction since you tossed in those
uber kewl sciency terms "planck's energy" [sic] and "big bang event", though
as it stands it's more wild speculation than anything else.  Perhaps you
could take a creative writing course, do some serious research, flesh it out
a little and get it published?
Or not.
In any event, the concept has been explored before by some very talented
writers, for example, Isaac Asimov in his 1956 short story "The Last
Question."  It's not the exact scenario you've posited, but the parallel is
there.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So, I am not the only one who was reminded
of this famous science fiction short story.
(Written, BTW, by one of our era's most
intelligent and prominent atheists.)
Completely off this particular topic, there are
three other titles I remember in particular: "The
Cold Equations",
Chris Anvil was one great, enjoyable writer.
Post by Tim DeLaney
"All You Zombies"
This was Heinlein, wasn't it?
Post by Tim DeLaney
and "I Have
No Mouth, But I must Scream". Sara, do you
have any others that you find memorable?
Tim
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2010-07-18 19:12:02 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
I could be polite and call this science fiction since you tossed in those
uber kewl sciency terms "planck's energy" [sic] and "big bang event", though
as it stands it's more wild speculation than anything else.  Perhaps you
could take a creative writing course, do some serious research, flesh it out
a little and get it published?
Or not.
In any event, the concept has been explored before by some very talented
writers, for example, Isaac Asimov in his 1956 short story "The Last
Question."  It's not the exact scenario you've posited, but the parallel is
there.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So, I am not the only one who was reminded
of this famous science fiction short story.
(Written, BTW, by one of our era's most
intelligent and prominent atheists.)
Completely off this particular topic, there are
three other titles I remember in particular: "The
Cold Equations",
Chris Anvil was one great, enjoyable writer.
Post by Tim DeLaney
"All You Zombies"
This was Heinlein, wasn't it?
Post by Tim DeLaney
and "I Have
No Mouth, But I must Scream". Sara, do you
have any others that you find memorable?
Tim
No recognition for Harlan Ellison? Shame on you. May you be trapped in
the bowels of a gigantic, sadistic super-computer for eternity.
You mean I am not already? Ellison is alright, but not really my cup of
coffee, some of his stuff is ok, but ...
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2017-10-13 07:43:38 UTC
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Ever read a short story "Martian Oddysey?"

Or "The Man Who Sold The Moon?"
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2010-07-17 22:08:24 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
Indeed. Both are completely fictitious.
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2010-07-18 04:02:22 UTC
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Quark E wrote:

There are more theists who know evolution is true than atheists.
Even the Pope and the Catholic church accept it as true.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?

<snip crazies>
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2010-07-19 13:34:40 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Smiler.
2010-07-20 03:31:03 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
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2010-07-20 04:31:55 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
If it's constantly improving, no need to create a god then....it's
the people that need the most improvement(and no resources to handle it
otherwise) that need a mythology started ...
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Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
Quark E
2010-07-20 13:22:33 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
   If it's constantly improving, no need to create a god then....
Because that race would *gasp* become deity.
Atheism is thus dead.
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2010-07-21 01:51:39 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
   If it's constantly improving, no need to create a god then....
Because that race would *gasp* become deity.
Atheism is thus dead.
You've just verified that the end result of religion is
atheism...way to go!!!
Quark E
2010-07-21 13:26:38 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
   If it's constantly improving, no need to create a god then....
Because that race would *gasp* become deity.
Atheism is thus dead.
  You've just verified that the end result of religion is
atheism...way to go!!!
No, the end result of atheism leads to there being a deity.
Ergo, atheism is thus dead.
Are you totally braindead?
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2010-07-21 13:49:48 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
   If it's constantly improving, no need to create a god then....
Because that race would *gasp* become deity.
Atheism is thus dead.
  You've just verified that the end result of religion is
atheism...way to go!!!
No, the end result of atheism leads to there being a deity.
Using objective evidence, prove that a deity exists.
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2010-07-21 15:10:46 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
? ?If it's constantly improving, no need to create a god then....
Because that race would *gasp* become deity.
Atheism is thus dead.
? You've just verified that the end result of religion is
atheism...way to go!!!
No, the end result of atheism leads to there being a deity. Ergo, atheism
is thus dead. Are you totally braindead?
You certainly can honestly answer to that description, as you've incessantly
repeated.
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2010-07-22 02:32:06 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
   If it's constantly improving, no need to create a god then....
Because that race would *gasp* become deity.
Atheism is thus dead.
  You've just verified that the end result of religion is
atheism...way to go!!!
No, the end result of atheism leads to there being a deity.
Ergo, atheism is thus dead.
Are you totally braindead?
No..braindead requires belief in a deity...ergo...your a dipshit! Hah
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2010-07-20 13:21:37 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
From his father.
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2010-07-21 01:47:10 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
From his father.
Where did this supposed father come from?
Infinite regression, anyone?
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All gods are bespoke. They're all made to perfectly
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2010-07-21 13:25:49 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
From his father.
Where did this supposed father come from?
Infinite regression, anyone?
You must have missed my explanation of infinity.
If something extends to infinity, there is no first or
last item.
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2010-07-21 13:49:50 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
From his father.
Where did this supposed father come from?
Infinite regression, anyone?
You must have missed my explanation of infinity.
If it is like the rest of your "explanations", it's bullshit.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
From his father.
Where did this supposed father come from?
Infinite regression, anyone?
You must have missed my explanation of infinity. If something extends to
infinity, there is no first or last item.
Your malicious attitude is obviously infinite.
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2010-07-21 23:44:16 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
From his father.
Where did this supposed father come from?
Infinite regression, anyone?
You must have missed my explanation of infinity.
If something extends to infinity, there is no first or
last item.
So it's turtles all the way down, then.
Shit, you are stupid, aren't you.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
From his father.
Where did this supposed father come from?
Infinite regression, anyone?
You must have missed my explanation of infinity.
If something extends to infinity, there is no first or
last item.
So it's turtles all the way down, then.
Shit, you are stupid, aren't you.
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The godless one.
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All gods are bespoke. They're all made to perfectly
fit the prejudices of their believers.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
From his father.
Where did this supposed father come from?
Infinite regression, anyone?
You must have missed my explanation of infinity.
If something extends to infinity, there is no first or
last item.
So it's turtles all the way down, then.
No GODs up and down.
Funny how you still haven't leanred what infinity means.
Ever going to get out of elementary school?
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
From his father.
Where did this supposed father come from?
Infinite regression, anyone?
You must have missed my explanation of infinity.
If something extends to infinity, there is no first or
last item.
So it's turtles all the way down, then.
No GODs up and down.
Funny how you still haven't leanred what infinity means.
Ever going to get out of elementary school?
lol
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2010-07-23 13:31:01 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
 From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
 From his father.
Where did this supposed father come from?
Infinite regression, anyone?
You must have missed my explanation of infinity.
If something extends to infinity, there is no first or
last item.
So it's turtles all the way down, then.
No GODs up and down.
Funny how you still haven't leanred what infinity means.
Ever going to get out of elementary school?
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it aint so. It is so, welcome to reality.
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2010-07-23 14:27:48 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
 From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
 From his father.
Where did this supposed father come from?
Infinite regression, anyone?
You must have missed my explanation of infinity.
If something extends to infinity, there is no first or
last item.
So it's turtles all the way down, then.
No GODs up and down.
Funny how you still haven't leanred what infinity means.
Ever going to get out of elementary school?
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
From GOD who created them.
Where did this supposed god come from?
From his father.
Where did this supposed father come from?
Infinite regression, anyone?
You must have missed my explanation of infinity.
If something extends to infinity, there is no first or
last item.
So it's turtles all the way down, then.
No GODs
Congratulations, that's the first correct thing you've posted.
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up and down.
Funny how you still haven't leanred what infinity means.
I know exactly what infinty means, do you?
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Ever going to get out of elementary school?
Ever get into one?
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There are more theists who know evolution is true than atheists. Even
the Pope and the Catholic church accept it as true.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
It's what theists eventually evolve into? :)
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2010-07-23 00:13:00 UTC
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There are more theists who know evolution is true than atheists. Even
the Pope and the Catholic church accept it as true.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Where did this sentient race come from?
It's what theists eventually evolve into? :)
I wish they'd hurry up.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time, voila, you have a deity.
You have a rather pethetic idea of what a deity is.

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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time, voila, you have a deity.
You have a rather pethetic idea of what a deity is.
Why is GOD considered GOD?
Because of the things he does.
In fact one could define GOD as being who does certain things.
So if a being does the things that are considered GODlike, that being
is
god, because that is the very defition of what GOD is, a being that
does those very things.
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2010-07-19 14:13:29 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time, voila, you have a deity.
You have a rather pethetic idea of what a deity is.
Why is GOD considered GOD?
Because of the things he does.
In fact one could define GOD as being who does certain things.
So if a being does the things that are considered GODlike, that being
is
god, because that is the very defition of what GOD is, a being that
does those very things.
See jesus showed us who god is:

http://www.godrules.net/library/kjv/kjvmat6.htm

Our Father which art in heaven

What is he saying here?
Father.
Daddy.

Our daddy who art in heaven.

heaven?

Sky


Sky daddy.

http://www.godrules.net/library/kjv/kjvjoh20.htm

20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to
my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my
Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Sulfate
2010-07-20 08:40:43 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time, voila, you have a deity.
You have a rather pethetic idea of what a deity is.
Why is GOD considered GOD?
Because of the things he does.
In fact one could define GOD as being who does certain things.
So if a being does the things that are considered GODlike, that being
is
god, because that is the very defition of what GOD is, a being that
does those very things.
The modern definition of "god" requires omnipotence and omniscience.
An element of the supernatural, as it were. Your strange definition
would leave the door open to all sorts of possible deity-like beings,
and would certainly be considered heretical by most organized
religions. If you want to worship science fiction, I suppose that's
your own business. You'll be in a ridiculously small minority, but
hey, whatever makes you happy.

Then again, you seem to be both stupid *and* crazy, so feel free to
disregard everything I've written.
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2010-07-20 13:24:56 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time, voila, you have a deity.
You have a rather pethetic idea of what a deity is.
Why is GOD considered GOD?
Because of the things he does.
In fact one could define GOD as being who does certain things.
So if a being does the things that are considered GODlike, that being
is
god, because that is the very defition of what GOD is, a being that
does those very things.
The modern definition of "god" requires omnipotence and omniscience.
Well lets look at omniscience.
Knowing all things.
GOD has access before him of past present and future.
If he wants to look at something,at any time he can.
So he has access to all knowledge.
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An element of the supernatural, as it were.  Your strange definition
would leave the door open to all sorts of possible deity-like beings,
and would certainly be considered heretical by most organized
religions.
You mean the GOD of the bible would be considered
heretical by the orthodox religions who believe in a pagan
philosophical god.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time, voila, you have a deity.
You have a rather pethetic idea of what a deity is.
Why is GOD considered GOD?
Because of the things he does.
In fact one could define GOD as being who does certain things.
So if a being does the things that are considered GODlike, that being
is
god, because that is the very defition of what GOD is, a being that
does those very things.
The modern definition of "god" requires omnipotence and omniscience.
No, thats a specific god called "God".
In any case why is a modern definition of God preferred over an
ancient definition of God?
I would argue that an ancient definition would be preferable.
The idea of god is a very ancient one and so an ancient definition
would seem the most appropriate.
In any case the definition of god is
"A supernatural being worshiped as having power over nature and human
destiny - to be approached/contacted/influenced through devotion,
prayer and ritual."

The actual "powers" assigned to the various gods are limited only by
human imagination.
God is omnipotent and Thor has a magic hammer - its all just
irrelevant detail.
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An element of the supernatural, as it were.  Your strange definition
would leave the door open to all sorts of possible deity-like beings,
and would certainly be considered heretical by most organized
religions.
True - but humans can and do make just about anything a deity.

What we have to decide is : Is this wise? Is it sane?

I say "no".

Mark.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?

Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance (ie. you would need another universe
bigger then this one to contain the knowledge of every particle, and
then you need another bigger one for everything in that universe, ad
infinitum).

Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
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Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.-
Do you understand how infinity works?
If something extends out infinitiely, you never get to any first or
last item.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
That is some really loose interpretation of omniscience. This sounds
more like a movie idea then a well thought out hypothesis.
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Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.-
Do you understand how infinity works?
If something extends out infinitiely, you never get to any first or
last item.
Well technically it is a possibility that universes are a product of
sufficiently advanced civilizations in another universe but you'll be
stuck with a chicken-egg problem. Infinite regress is a possibility,
but there will never be a way to actually prove it I think.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
That is some really loose interpretation of omniscience.
Having access to knowledge past present and future.
You can know what you need to know when you need to know it.
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Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.-
Do you understand how infinity works?
If something extends out infinitiely, you never get to any first or
last item.
Well technically it is a possibility that universes are a product of
sufficiently advanced civilizations in another universe but you'll be
stuck with a chicken-egg problem. Infinite regress is a possibility,
but there will never be a way to actually prove it I think.-
GOD says that is how it is.
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2010-07-23 14:12:05 UTC
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
I think GOD revealing truth is evidence.
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
I think GOD revealing truth is evidence.
Since he doesn't, and can't, it isn't.
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
I think GOD revealing truth is evidence.
Either GOD reveals himself or he remains unknown.

Man by his wisdom can never fathom GOD.

In the millenium the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the
LORD as
the waters cover the sea ...
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
I think GOD revealing truth is evidence.
Either GOD reveals himself or he remains unknown.
Or doesn't exist. And if it does exist, it clearly does nothing, or there
would be evidence of it doing things
.
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
I think GOD revealing truth is evidence.
Either GOD reveals himself or he remains unknown.
Or doesn't exist.  And if it does exist, it clearly does nothing, or there
would be evidence of it doing things
.
Like raising michael jackson from the dead ...
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
I think GOD revealing truth is evidence.
Revealing how .. in your mind? Can't tell the difference between that and
delusion. One needs something physical and logical.
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
I think GOD revealing truth is evidence.
Revealing how .. in your mind?  Can't tell the difference between that and
delusion.  
GOD revealed these truths in our religion.
It is not against the law to have religious freedom.
Believing in religion in our country is not illegal nor
does it make one delusional legally or otherwise.

Put that in your dexer pipe, stick it in your ear, and smoke it.
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
I think GOD revealing truth is evidence.
Revealing how .. in your mind? Can't tell the difference between that and
delusion.
GOD revealed these truths in our religion.
Blah blah .. same old theist nonsense that all such rellgions claim
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It is not against the law to have religious freedom.
Who said it was?
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Believing in religion in our country is not illegal nor
Who said it was?
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does it make one delusional legally or otherwise.
Yes. . it does
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Put that in your dexer pipe, stick it in your ear, and smoke it.
So .. that s your proof .. its true because you believe it is true .. and
that's it . BAHAHAHA. You're delusional.
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2010-07-23 14:51:37 UTC
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
I think GOD revealing truth is evidence.
Revealing how .. in your mind?  Can't tell the difference between that and
delusion.
GOD revealed these truths in our religion.
Blah blah .. same old theist nonsense that all such rellgions claim
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It is not against the law to have religious freedom.
Who said it was?
Post by Slim
Believing in religion in our country is not illegal nor
Who said it was?
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does it make one delusional legally or otherwise.
Yes. . it does
Okay you are claiming that in the united states which guarantees
religious freedom
that if you actually believe your religion that you are legally
delusional.
Do you want to start a precedent in the united states that you can
have religious freddom but
if you do you are legally crazy for so doing?
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Okay you are claiming that in the united states which guarantees
religious freedom
I didn't mention the unites states. I made no claims about what freedoms
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that if you actually believe your religion that you are legally
delusional.
You are delusional if you believe in a god when there is no evidence that
such a god exists .. yes. If that is part of believing in your religion ..
yes.

Whether such delusions satisfy some legal requirement for 'delusional' in
some particular country I do not know.
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Do you want to start a precedent in the united states that you can
have religious freddom but
if you do you are legally crazy for so doing?
If your religion has a god for which there is no evidence, then you are
'crazy' (as you put it). Whether that is satisfies the legal requirements
for insanity in some particular country I do not know.
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Okay you are claiming that in the united states which guarantees
religious freedom
I didn't mention the unites states. I made no claims about what freedoms
its citizens may or may not have.
So your argument has nothing to do with me.
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that if you actually believe your religion that you are legally
delusional.
You are delusional if you believe in a god when there is no evidence that
such a god exists .. yes. If that is part of believing in your religion ..
yes.
Whether such delusions satisfy some legal requirement for 'delusional' in
some particular country I do not know.
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Do you want to start a precedent in the united states that you can
have religious freddom but
if you do you are legally crazy for so doing?
If your religion has a god for which there is no evidence, then you are
'crazy' (as you put it).
But there is evidence.
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Okay you are claiming that in the united states which guarantees
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I didn't mention the unites states. I made no claims about what freedoms
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So your argument has nothing to do with me.
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that if you actually believe your religion that you are legally
delusional.
You are delusional if you believe in a god when there is no evidence that
such a god exists .. yes. If that is part of believing in your religion ..
yes.
Whether such delusions satisfy some legal requirement for 'delusional' in
some particular country I do not know.
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Do you want to start a precedent in the united states that you can
have religious freddom but
if you do you are legally crazy for so doing?
If your religion has a god for which there is no evidence, then you are
'crazy' (as you put it).
But there is evidence.
So you say...so get off your ass and prove it, for once.
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
I think GOD revealing truth is evidence.
Revealing how .. in your mind?  Can't tell the difference between that and
delusion.
GOD revealed these truths in our religion.
Blah blah .. same old theist nonsense that all such rellgions claim
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It is not against the law to have religious freedom.
Who said it was?
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Believing in religion in our country is not illegal nor
Who said it was?
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does it make one delusional legally or otherwise.
Yes. . it does
Okay you are claiming that in the united states which guarantees
religious freedom
that if you actually believe your religion that you are legally
delusional.
Do you want to start a precedent in the united states that you can
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religion itself, just the insane way you interpret it.
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
I think GOD revealing truth is evidence.
You'd be wrong.

PDW
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GOD says that is how it is.
That's not a proof.
I think GOD revealing truth is evidence.
You'd be wrong.
PDW
He missed the entire step he needs to take, namely providing objective
evidence that his imaginary sky daddy exists, and then proving that
his imaginary sky daddy revealed or inspired anything.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
That is some really loose interpretation of omniscience.
Having access to knowledge past present and future.
You can know what you need to know when you need to know it.
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Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.-
Do you understand how infinity works?
If something extends out infinitiely, you never get to any first or
last item.
Well technically it is a possibility that universes are a product of
sufficiently advanced civilizations in another universe but you'll be
stuck with a chicken-egg problem. Infinite regress is a possibility,
but there will never be a way to actually prove it I think.-
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Your nonexistent sky-daddy is not relevant.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
That is some really loose interpretation of omniscience.
Having access to knowledge past present and future.
You can know what you need to know when you need to know it.
So that hypothetical advanced race can also read minds and reconstruct
thought patterns? Not even to mention that unless said timemachine is
somehow outside the universe it will influence what it observes, or
communicates, therefore nullifying any previously gained knowledge.
Trust me, a timemachine is not even close to practical omniscience.
You simply haven't really thought about what omniscience is supposed
to be capable of.
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Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.-
Do you understand how infinity works?
If something extends out infinitiely, you never get to any first or
last item.
Well technically it is a possibility that universes are a product of
sufficiently advanced civilizations in another universe but you'll be
stuck with a chicken-egg problem. Infinite regress is a possibility,
but there will never be a way to actually prove it I think.-
GOD says that is how it is.
And Russel's Teapot says it's bollocks. Both have just as much
authority and neither constitutes proof, or even evidence for that
matter.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
That is some really loose interpretation of omniscience.
Having access to knowledge past present and future.
You can know what you need to know when you need to know it.
So that hypothetical advanced race can also read minds and reconstruct
thought patterns?
Technological advancements like the computer are taken as granted
given for
said advancement.
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Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.-
Do you understand how infinity works?
If something extends out infinitiely, you never get to any first or
last item.
Well technically it is a possibility that universes are a product of
sufficiently advanced civilizations in another universe but you'll be
stuck with a chicken-egg problem. Infinite regress is a possibility,
but there will never be a way to actually prove it I think.-
GOD says that is how it is.
And Russel's Teapot says it's bollocks. Both have just as much
authority and neither constitutes proof, or even evidence for that
matter.-
So according to you someone named russell is on par with god.
And you reject god revealing it as any evidence.
Shame that it actually is evidence.
GOD said so.
You will learn this too.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
That is some really loose interpretation of omniscience.
Having access to knowledge past present and future.
You can know what you need to know when you need to know it.
So that hypothetical advanced race can also read minds and reconstruct
thought patterns?
Technological advancements like the computer are taken as granted
given for
said advancement.
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Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.-
Do you understand how infinity works?
If something extends out infinitiely, you never get to any first or
last item.
Well technically it is a possibility that universes are a product of
sufficiently advanced civilizations in another universe but you'll be
stuck with a chicken-egg problem. Infinite regress is a possibility,
but there will never be a way to actually prove it I think.-
GOD says that is how it is.
And Russel's Teapot says it's bollocks. Both have just as much
authority and neither constitutes proof, or even evidence for that
matter.-
So according to you someone named russell is on par with god.
And you reject god revealing it as any evidence.
Shame that it actually is evidence.
GOD said so.
Sorry, but what your imaginary sky daddy does or does not say does not
consitute evidence without first taking the step of proving said
imaginary sky-daddy exists.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures
he calls his children and gives them potential to be like
himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a
point. But even so, a highly advanced technological race is
still no match to what is commonly referred to as a god. The
whole omniscience stuff is simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
That is some really loose interpretation of omniscience.
Having access to knowledge past present and future.
You can know what you need to know when you need to know it.
So that hypothetical advanced race can also read minds and
reconstruct thought patterns?
Technological advancements like the computer are taken as granted
given for
said advancement.
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Post by Kilmir
Post by Quark E
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Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.-
Do you understand how infinity works?
If something extends out infinitiely, you never get to any first
or last item.
Well technically it is a possibility that universes are a product
of sufficiently advanced civilizations in another universe but
you'll be stuck with a chicken-egg problem. Infinite regress is a
possibility, but there will never be a way to actually prove it I
think.-
GOD says that is how it is.
And Russel's Teapot says it's bollocks. Both have just as much
authority and neither constitutes proof, or even evidence for that
matter.-
So according to you someone named russell is on par with god.
And you reject god revealing it as any evidence.
Shame that it actually is evidence.
GOD said so.
You will learn this too.
God saying he exists is on par with leprechauns saying they exist. Both are
circular arguments.
If you keep arguing in ever decreasing circles you'll soon disappear up your
own fundament.
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2010-07-26 10:13:31 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
That is some really loose interpretation of omniscience.
Having access to knowledge past present and future.
You can know what you need to know when you need to know it.
So that hypothetical advanced race can also read minds and reconstruct
thought patterns?
Technological advancements like the computer are taken as granted
given for
said advancement.
Computer yes, probably more advanced versions like neuronetwork
computers can be assumed as well.
But some things really stretch the imagination and you need those to
get even remotely close to "practical" omniscience. A timemachine
really doesn't cut it
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Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.-
Do you understand how infinity works?
If something extends out infinitiely, you never get to any first or
last item.
Well technically it is a possibility that universes are a product of
sufficiently advanced civilizations in another universe but you'll be
stuck with a chicken-egg problem. Infinite regress is a possibility,
but there will never be a way to actually prove it I think.-
GOD says that is how it is.
And Russel's Teapot says it's bollocks. Both have just as much
authority and neither constitutes proof, or even evidence for that
matter.-
So according to you someone named russell is on par with god.
And you reject god revealing it as any evidence.
Shame that it actually is evidence.
GOD said so.
You will learn this too.
I said Russel's Teapot, so not Russel being on par with a god but his
teapot. It comes from Bertrand Russel who tried to show why the burden
of proof is on the believer and not the doubter:

"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china
teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be
able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the
teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful
telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion
cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of
human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking
nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in
ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled
into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its
existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter
to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the
Inquisitor in an earlier time."


Yes, that teapot is on par with your god. Both are fictional objects
with not a shred of evidence of their existence.
With luck you might learn the truth, but I'm afraid you're too close
minded to see truth for what it is.
Quark E
2010-07-26 13:26:38 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
That is some really loose interpretation of omniscience.
Having access to knowledge past present and future.
You can know what you need to know when you need to know it.
So that hypothetical advanced race can also read minds and reconstruct
thought patterns?
Technological advancements like the computer are taken as granted
given for
said advancement.
Computer yes, probably more advanced versions like neuronetwork
computers can be assumed as well.
But some things really stretch the imagination and you need those to
get even remotely close to "practical" omniscience. A timemachine
really doesn't cut it
Your heavenly parents mental capacities are far beyond yours.
It would be analogous roughly to compare a 5 year old mental ability
to a PhD.
Couple that with time machine and functional omniscience is easily
attained.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures
he calls his children and gives them potential to be like
himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have
a point. But even so, a highly advanced technological race is
still no match to what is commonly referred to as a god. The
whole omniscience stuff is simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
That is some really loose interpretation of omniscience.
Having access to knowledge past present and future.
You can know what you need to know when you need to know it.
So that hypothetical advanced race can also read minds and
reconstruct thought patterns?
Technological advancements like the computer are taken as granted
given for
said advancement.
Computer yes, probably more advanced versions like neuronetwork
computers can be assumed as well.
But some things really stretch the imagination and you need those to
get even remotely close to "practical" omniscience. A timemachine
really doesn't cut it
Your heavenly
I'm sure Kilmir will appreciate your compliment but not your desires.

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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
That is some really loose interpretation of omniscience.
Having access to knowledge past present and future.
You can know what you need to know when you need to know it.
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Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.-
Do you understand how infinity works?
If something extends out infinitiely, you never get to any first or
last item.
Well technically it is a possibility that universes are a product of
sufficiently advanced civilizations in another universe but you'll be
stuck with a chicken-egg problem. Infinite regress is a possibility,
but there will never be a way to actually prove it I think.-
GOD says that is how it is.
Maybe you should quit banging your head against a brick wall, if that's the
only way your god will talk to you.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he
calls his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a
point. But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still
no match to what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole
omniscience stuff is simply impossible for instance
Functional omniscience simply requires a time machine.
That is some really loose interpretation of omniscience.
Having access to knowledge past present and future.
You can know what you need to know when you need to know it.
Post by Kilmir
Post by Quark E
Post by Kilmir
Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.-
Do you understand how infinity works?
If something extends out infinitiely, you never get to any first or
last item.
Well technically it is a possibility that universes are a product of
sufficiently advanced civilizations in another universe but you'll
be stuck with a chicken-egg problem. Infinite regress is a
possibility, but there will never be a way to actually prove it I
think.-
GOD says that is how it is.
Maybe you should quit banging your head against a brick wall, if
that's the only way your god will talk to you.
I wondered what that hollow sound was.
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2010-07-20 18:30:37 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance (ie. you would need another universe
bigger then this one to contain the knowledge of every particle, and
then you need another bigger one for everything in that universe, ad
infinitum).
Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.
Beyond this point, there be turtles.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
You really have no clue how evolution works do you?
Now if you would claim technological advances, you might have a point.
But even so, a highly advanced technological race is still no match to
what is commonly referred to as a god. The whole omniscience stuff is
simply impossible for instance (ie. you would need another universe
bigger then this one to contain the knowledge of every particle, and
then you need another bigger one for everything in that universe, ad
infinitum).
Besides all that, there is always the point where at least 1
creatorgod must have evolved without a creator itself. Otherwise
you're still stuck in infinite regress.
Beyond this point, there be turtles.

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2010-07-21 02:35:23 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it.
Even then it isn't *my* deity - its just someone else's diety.
"Godhood" isn't an intrinsic property of any being - its purely a
subjective opinion.
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Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural
beings.
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Nada.
They are identical.
I wouldn't worship them as gods.

Mark
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it.
Even then it isn't *my* deity - its just someone else's diety.
"Godhood" isn't an intrinsic property of any being - its purely a
subjective opinion.
Post by Quark E
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural
beings.
From dictionary dot com:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural

2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to god or a
deity.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it.
Even then it isn't *my* deity - its just someone else's diety.
"Godhood" isn't an intrinsic property of any being - its purely a
subjective opinion.
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Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural beings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural
2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to god or a
deity.
...which has nothing to do with proving the existence of your chosen
delusion, which you refuse to attempt.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it.
Even then it isn't *my* deity - its just someone else's diety.
"Godhood" isn't an intrinsic property of any being - its purely a
subjective opinion.
Post by Quark E
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural beings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural
2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to god or a
deity.
...which has nothing to do with proving the existence of your chosen
Which has already been done.

Unlike the god of philosophy, which does not exist, and does nothing,
the
true god does things thus proving his existence.

Every time he has done anything, even the slightest smallest thing,
that proves he exists, that he IS.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time, voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it. Even then it isn't
*my* deity - its just someone else's diety. "Godhood" isn't an
intrinsic property of any being - its purely a subjective opinion.
Post by Quark E
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he
calls his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural beings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural
2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to god or a
deity.
...which has nothing to do with proving the existence of your chosen
Which has already been done.
...which doesn't mean squat to reality.
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Unlike the god of philosophy, which does not exist, and does nothing, the
true god does things thus proving his existence.
Every time he has done anything, even the slightest smallest thing,
that proves he exists, that he IS.
So you say, but you'll have to provide a bit more proof than proclamations.
I haven't needed gods since 1965.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time, voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it.  Even then it isn't
*my* deity - its just someone else's diety.  "Godhood" isn't an
intrinsic property of any being - its purely a subjective opinion.
Post by Quark E
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he
calls his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural beings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural
2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to god or a
deity.
...which has nothing to do with proving the existence of your chosen
Which has already been done.
...which doesn't mean squat to reality.
Post by Michael
Unlike the god of philosophy, which does not exist, and does nothing, the
true god does things thus proving his existence.
Every time he has done anything, even the slightest smallest thing,
that proves he exists, that he IS.
So you say, but you'll have to provide a bit more proof than proclamations.
I haven't needed gods since 1965.
Why is the government on a witchhunt to find out who is helping me
if he doesnt exist?

Hint: because god exists.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time, voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it. ?Even then it isn't
*my* deity - its just someone else's diety. ?"Godhood" isn't an
intrinsic property of any being - its purely a subjective opinion.
Post by Quark E
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he
calls his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural beings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural
2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to god or a
deity.
...which has nothing to do with proving the existence of your chosen
Which has already been done.
...which doesn't mean squat to reality.
Post by Michael
Unlike the god of philosophy, which does not exist, and does nothing, the
true god does things thus proving his existence.
Every time he has done anything, even the slightest smallest thing,
that proves he exists, that he IS.
So you say, but you'll have to provide a bit more proof than proclamations.
I haven't needed gods since 1965.
Why is the government on a witchhunt to find out who is helping me
if he doesnt exist?
Hint: because god exists.
If you're so certain about it, get on with proving it. (Begin your
tapdance.)
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time, voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it. Even then it
isn't *my* deity - its just someone else's diety. "Godhood"
isn't an intrinsic property of any being - its purely a
subjective opinion.
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Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he
calls his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural beings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural
2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to god or a
deity.
...which has nothing to do with proving the existence of your chosen
Which has already been done.
...which doesn't mean squat to reality.
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Unlike the god of philosophy, which does not exist, and does
nothing, the true god does things thus proving his existence.
Every time he has done anything, even the slightest smallest thing,
that proves he exists, that he IS.
So you say, but you'll have to provide a bit more proof than
proclamations. I haven't needed gods since 1965.
Why is the government on a witchhunt to find out who is helping me
if he doesnt exist?
Your evidence that any government is so concerned with you that it is on a
witchhunt, is what?
Shit! Your ego is really grossly overinflated.
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Hint: because god exists.
Wooo-wooo.
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2010-07-23 13:33:02 UTC
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:17:51 -0700 (PDT), Quark E
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time, voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it. Even then it
isn't *my* deity - its just someone else's diety. "Godhood"
isn't an intrinsic property of any being - its purely a
subjective opinion.
Post by Quark E
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he
calls his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural beings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural
2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to god or a
deity.
...which has nothing to do with proving the existence of your chosen
Which has already been done.
...which doesn't mean squat to reality.
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Unlike the god of philosophy, which does not exist, and does
nothing, the true god does things thus proving his existence.
Every time he has done anything, even the slightest smallest thing,
that proves he exists, that he IS.
So you say, but you'll have to provide a bit more proof than
proclamations. I haven't needed gods since 1965.
Why is the government on a witchhunt to find out who is helping me
if he doesnt exist?
Your evidence that any government is so concerned with you that it is on a
witchhunt, is what?
If you aren't looking for someone helping me in my lawsuit, then let
me go.
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Hint: because god exists.
Wooo-wooo.
Your mistake in the withchunt is that you ASSUMED when you found who
was
helping me you could throw out my lawsuit.

Boy did the govt ever screw up.

Turns out it was god and armies of heaven and you cant throw out
the lawsuit.

The lawsuit remains.

Next.
Hollis Brown
2010-07-23 14:32:35 UTC
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The lawsuit remains.
Next.
Please turn about 30 degrees to your left. Then give us your best
smile!

HB
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2010-07-21 18:54:53 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it.
Even then it isn't *my* deity - its just someone else's diety.
"Godhood" isn't an intrinsic property of any being - its purely a
subjective opinion.
Post by Quark E
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural beings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural
2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to god or a
deity.
...which has nothing to do with proving the existence of your chosen
Which has already been done.
Nonsense. Your blind assertion does not provide objective evidence of
your magical sky-daddy, liar michael.
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Unlike the god of philosophy,
All gods are gods of phylsophy
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2010-07-21 21:47:57 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it.
Even then it isn't *my* deity - its just someone else's diety.
"Godhood" isn't an intrinsic property of any being - its purely a
subjective opinion.
Post by Quark E
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural beings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural
2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to god or a
deity.
...which has nothing to do with proving the existence of your chosen
Which has already been done.
Unlike the god of philosophy, which does not exist, and does nothing,
the
true god does things thus proving his existence.
Such as...?
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Every time he has done anything, even the slightest smallest thing,
Such as...?
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that proves he exists, that he IS.
No, that proves you *think* he "is."

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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it.
Even then it isn't *my* deity - its just someone else's diety.
"Godhood" isn't an intrinsic property of any being - its purely a
subjective opinion.
Post by Quark E
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he
calls his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural beings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural
2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to god or a
deity.
...which has nothing to do with proving the existence of your chosen
Which has already been done.
Unlike the god of philosophy, which does not exist, and does nothing,
the
true god does things thus proving his existence.
Such as...?
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Every time he has done anything, even the slightest smallest thing,
Such as...?
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that proves he exists, that he IS.
No, that proves you *think* he "is."
Thought has no part in it. It's solely his unevidenced belief.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
No - its not a deity unless someone worships it.
Even then it isn't *my* deity - its just someone else's diety.
"Godhood" isn't an intrinsic property of any being - its purely a
subjective opinion.
Post by Quark E
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
They would be powerful natural beings - not powerful supernatural
beings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supernatural
2. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to god or a
deity.
Yes. Also characteristic of lesser beings angels, demons, witches and
warlocks, sprite, faries and elves.
And god?

god n. (1) Superhuman being worshiped as having
power over nature and human fortunes, deity
(2) Image, animal, or other object, worshiped as
symbolyzing, being the visible habitation of, or
itself possessing, divine power; an idol.
...
[Concise Oxford Dictionary 1976]

From Webster's:

God \God\ (g[o^]d), n. [AS. god; akin to OS. & D. god, OHG. got,
G. gott, Icel. gu[eth], go[eth], Sw. & Dan. gud, Goth. gup,
prob. orig. a p. p. from a root appearing in Skr. h[=u], p.
p. h[=u]ta, to call upon, invoke, implore. [root]30. Cf.
{Goodbye}, {Gospel}, {Gossip}.]
1. A being conceived of as possessing supernatural power, and
to be propitiated by sacrifice, worship, etc.; a divinity;
a deity; an object of worship; an idol.

2. The Supreme Being; the eternal and infinite Spirit, the
Creator, and the Sovereign of the universe; Jehovah.

3. A person or thing deified and honored as the chief good
an object of supreme regard.

4. Figuratively applied to one who wields great or despotic
power. [R.] --Shak.


Mark.
Ben Kaufman
2010-07-23 23:27:21 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Nope. Deities were myths used to explain things before scientific understanding
took hold.
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Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
That's a pretty grand assumption. Our line could very well end up in one of the
periodic mass extinctions, or "revert" back to furry little beasts that feed on
insects and live in burrows.
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Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
It's amazing what you can do on LSD.
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He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
A monkey might think a rock and a hand grenade are identical too.
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So let ME ask YOU something;
Does that make evoltion devine, or does that make God unimpressive?
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So let ME ask YOU something;
it was something out of a book I stole, i do not believe that argument at all myself ...
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So let ME ask YOU something;
it was something out of a book I stole, i do not believe that argument at all myself ...
An admission of further law breaking from the convicted criminal Yost.
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So let ME ask YOU something;
it was something out of a book I stole, i do not believe that argument
at all myself ...
An admission of further law breaking from the convicted criminal Yost.
plagiarism is not a crime you imbecile, you never borrowed an argument? if that was the case you would be locked up for 20 life sentences or more ...
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So let ME ask YOU something;
it was something out of a book I stole, i do not believe that
argument at all myself ...
An admission of further law breaking from the convicted criminal Yost.
plagiarism is not a crime you imbecile, you never borrowed an argument?
if that was the case you would be locked up for 20 life sentences or
more ...
"a book I stole" is an admission of theft, convicted criminal, Yost.
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So let ME ask YOU something;
it was something out of a book I stole, i do not believe that
argument at all myself ...
An admission of further law breaking from the convicted criminal Yost.
plagiarism is not a crime you imbecile, you never borrowed an argument?
if that was the case you would be locked up for 20 life sentences or
more ...
"a book I stole" is an admission of theft
No those were part of plagiarism.
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So let ME ask YOU something;
it was something out of a book I stole, i do not believe that
argument at all myself ...
An admission of further law breaking from the convicted criminal Yost.
plagiarism is not a crime you imbecile, you never borrowed an argument?
if that was the case you would be locked up for 20 life sentences or
more ...
"a book I stole" is an admission of theft, convicted criminal, Yost.
No those were part of plagiarism.
No. That was a clear admission of theft, convicted criminal, Yost.
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So let ME ask YOU something;
it was something out of a book I stole, i do not believe that
argument at all myself ...
An admission of further law breaking from the convicted criminal Yost.
plagiarism is not a crime you imbecile, you never borrowed an argument?
if that was the case you would be locked up for 20 life sentences or
more ...
"a book I stole" is an admission of theft, convicted criminal, Yost.
No those were part of plagiarism.
No. That was a clear admission of theft, convicted criminal, Yost.
I stole an argument from a book I was reading; From a book I was reading I stole an argument; I was reading this book and I borrowed an argument; The argument was from a book (plagiarism);
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So let ME ask YOU something;
it was something out of a book I stole, i do not believe that
argument at all myself ...
An admission of further law breaking from the convicted criminal Yost.
plagiarism is not a crime you imbecile, you never borrowed an argument?
if that was the case you would be locked up for 20 life sentences or
more ...
"a book I stole" is an admission of theft, convicted criminal, Yost.
No those were part of plagiarism.
No. That was a clear admission of theft, convicted criminal, Yost.
I stole an argument from a book I was reading; From a book I was reading I stole an argument; I was reading this book and I borrowed an argument; The argument was from a book (plagiarism);
the argument was something I stole; the argument was something (out of a book) I stole;
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So let ME ask YOU something;
it was something out of a book I stole, i do not believe that argument
at all myself ...
An admission of further law breaking from the convicted criminal Yost.
You said that you stole the book it was in. Don't be a liar, too.
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plagiarism is not a crime you imbecile, you never borrowed an argument? if that was the case you would be locked up for 20 life sentences or more ...
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So let ME ask YOU something;
it was something out of a book I stole, i do not believe that argument
at all myself ...
An admission of further law breaking from the convicted criminal Yost.
You said that you stole the book it was in. Don't be a liar, too.
I certainly wouldnt want to be like you, damn deceiver ...
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plagiarism is not a crime you imbecile, you never borrowed an argument? if that was the case you would be locked up for 20 life sentences or more ...
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So let ME ask YOU something;
it was something out of a book I stole, i do not believe that argument at all myself ...
You just sid that you don't steal books. You're not a good boy. You're
a thief, convict Yost.
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly improves
itself, given enough time,
voila, you have a deity.
Picture one of our dscendants 1 billion years from now.
Accesses planck's energy at will and causes a big bang event.
He then puts life on a world and including sentient creatures he calls
his children and gives them potential to be like himself.
What is the difference between that and what people call GOD?
Nada.
They are identical.
They may be identical but they are NOT the same. Evolution is conjecture....
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2017-10-13 14:42:51 UTC
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All it takes is a sentient race somewhere that constantly
improves itself, given enough time, voila, you have a deity.
Given enough time you have extinction. Just look at current events.
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