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I'm re posting a reply to aaa because I think it has merit and what
started as a frivolous mind-burp seems like enlightenment now. I
should state that I know nothing of the Andes, except I can find it on
a map (puts me way ahead of Trump and US presidents) and know they
were a big source of silver and potassium nitrate in the past, and
they make some damn fine music.

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There are a lot of folks that would disagree with you. They claim to
feel spiritual and in the presence of god when they enter a church. I
mean the church with the big stone blocks, stained glass, tall spires
etc., I don't know if the ones who use steel buildings get the same
kick.

I'm saying that you can encourage feelings deliberately if you choose
to. I do it with music. Whoever coined "wine, women and song," had
his head screwed on right IMO. Transcendental and spiritual....

I think the people that don't get it are the ones that can't stop and
smell the flowers. Some music is so powerful that it is an emotional
experience - but you have to divorce yourself from reality and leave
problems behind and really listen.

*******

Nothing to do with anything... But I have to wonder about the spirit
of the Andean people. The high Andes, Chili and Bolivia(?) must be
some of the most desolate and inhospitable places on the planet, and
the people are impoverished like few other places, yet they can create
the most cheerful and uplifting music. What do they have that we
don't, I wonder.

Of course no one has told them they live in a desolate inhospitable
place, and they don't know they are poor, so maybe our real problem is
the bullshit the marketeers lay on us. We are conditioned to want
more, never be satisfied with what we have, we can't be happy because
we are slaves to our economic models.

and I retract "nothing to do with anything" it now seems like more of
an epiphany than a frivolous thought.

And I wonder if we will destroy that spirit when it turns out that
they have the world's greatest source of Lithium or some other
mineral?

and getting back to Jesus and Hippies that was one of their messages
to us. Sermon on the Mount "be like the birds; consider the lilies,
etc.."

If we were to follow Jesus, we'd bring down our whole civilization.

And how would that sit with evangelical Trump supporters? They've
managed to convince themselves that Jesus and capitalism are one and
the same.
John Ritson
2018-01-09 14:21:49 UTC
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I'm re posting a reply to aaa because I think it has merit and what
started as a frivolous mind-burp seems like enlightenment now. I
should state that I know nothing of the Andes, except I can find it on
a map (puts me way ahead of Trump and US presidents) and know they
were a big source of silver and potassium nitrate in the past, and
they make some damn fine music.
There are a lot of folks that would disagree with you. They claim to
feel spiritual and in the presence of god when they enter a church. I
mean the church with the big stone blocks, stained glass, tall spires
etc., I don't know if the ones who use steel buildings get the same
kick.
I'm saying that you can encourage feelings deliberately if you choose
to. I do it with music. Whoever coined "wine, women and song," had
his head screwed on right IMO. Transcendental and spiritual....
I think the people that don't get it are the ones that can't stop and
smell the flowers. Some music is so powerful that it is an emotional
experience - but you have to divorce yourself from reality and leave
problems behind and really listen.
*******
Nothing to do with anything... But I have to wonder about the spirit
of the Andean people. The high Andes, Chili and Bolivia(?) must be
some of the most desolate and inhospitable places on the planet, and
the people are impoverished like few other places, yet they can create
the most cheerful and uplifting music. What do they have that we
don't, I wonder.
Copious amounts of cocaine?
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Of course no one has told them they live in a desolate inhospitable
place, and they don't know they are poor, so maybe our real problem is
the bullshit the marketeers lay on us. We are conditioned to want
more, never be satisfied with what we have, we can't be happy because
we are slaves to our economic models.
and I retract "nothing to do with anything" it now seems like more of
an epiphany than a frivolous thought.
And I wonder if we will destroy that spirit when it turns out that
they have the world's greatest source of Lithium or some other
mineral?
and getting back to Jesus and Hippies that was one of their messages
to us. Sermon on the Mount "be like the birds; consider the lilies,
etc.."
If we were to follow Jesus, we'd bring down our whole civilization.
And how would that sit with evangelical Trump supporters? They've
managed to convince themselves that Jesus and capitalism are one and
the same.
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2018-01-09 14:47:21 UTC
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I'm re posting a reply to aaa because I think it has merit and what
started as a frivolous mind-burp seems like enlightenment now. I
should state that I know nothing of the Andes, except I can find it on
a map (puts me way ahead of Trump and US presidents) and know they
were a big source of silver and potassium nitrate in the past, and
they make some damn fine music.
There are a lot of folks that would disagree with you. They claim to
feel spiritual and in the presence of god when they enter a church. I
mean the church with the big stone blocks, stained glass, tall spires
etc., I don't know if the ones who use steel buildings get the same
kick.
I'm saying that you can encourage feelings deliberately if you choose
to. I do it with music. Whoever coined "wine, women and song," had
his head screwed on right IMO. Transcendental and spiritual....
I think the people that don't get it are the ones that can't stop and
smell the flowers. Some music is so powerful that it is an emotional
experience - but you have to divorce yourself from reality and leave
problems behind and really listen.
*******
Nothing to do with anything... But I have to wonder about the spirit
of the Andean people. The high Andes, Chili and Bolivia(?) must be
some of the most desolate and inhospitable places on the planet, and
the people are impoverished like few other places, yet they can create
the most cheerful and uplifting music. What do they have that we
don't, I wonder.
Copious amounts of cocaine?
They chew the leaves though, which tastes bitter, is not much of a
high, but alleviates hunger and keeps them awake and working. (no fat
Andeans even if they do live on a diet high in starch) More like
coffee, not a recreational drug.
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Of course no one has told them they live in a desolate inhospitable
place, and they don't know they are poor, so maybe our real problem is
the bullshit the marketeers lay on us. We are conditioned to want
more, never be satisfied with what we have, we can't be happy because
we are slaves to our economic models.
and I retract "nothing to do with anything" it now seems like more of
an epiphany than a frivolous thought.
And I wonder if we will destroy that spirit when it turns out that
they have the world's greatest source of Lithium or some other
mineral?
and getting back to Jesus and Hippies that was one of their messages
to us. Sermon on the Mount "be like the birds; consider the lilies,
etc.."
If we were to follow Jesus, we'd bring down our whole civilization.
And how would that sit with evangelical Trump supporters? They've
managed to convince themselves that Jesus and capitalism are one and
the same.
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2018-01-10 10:07:26 UTC
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I'm re posting a reply to aaa because I think it has merit and what
started as a frivolous mind-burp seems like enlightenment now. I
should state that I know nothing of the Andes, except I can find it on
a map (puts me way ahead of Trump and US presidents) and know they
were a big source of silver and potassium nitrate in the past, and
they make some damn fine music.
There are a lot of folks that would disagree with you. They claim to
feel spiritual and in the presence of god when they enter a church. I
mean the church with the big stone blocks, stained glass, tall spires
etc., I don't know if the ones who use steel buildings get the same
kick.
I'm saying that you can encourage feelings deliberately if you choose
to. I do it with music. Whoever coined "wine, women and song," had
his head screwed on right IMO. Transcendental and spiritual....
I think the people that don't get it are the ones that can't stop and
smell the flowers. Some music is so powerful that it is an emotional
experience - but you have to divorce yourself from reality and leave
problems behind and really listen.
In your previous reply before this one, I misunderstood what you were
saying. I thought you were only talking about the feelings in the mind.
Here, I realize that you are also talking about the happy feelings from
the heart. So I agree with you that there are ways for us to relax to
experience the emotions in our heart. It's often a rather soothing and
energetic feeling. It's not only good but also healthy.

I just want to add that there is another way to experience the emotions
in our heart. It is even better than what you said. Not only does it
allow us to experience the emotion but also allows us to better
understand our emotion. It's called following Jesus by living our life
for the Christ in our heart. This is not just a personal wish or
promise. We have to follow up with our action to practice it in life.
When we can put it into action to make a difference in our life, we have
served the Christ in our heart. As a reward, we will receive the emotion
that will make us understand the truth based on our real life situation.
This is a lot more powerful and a lot more liberating than just relaxing
and enjoying the music. That's because it has taught us the truth.
Post by default
*******
Nothing to do with anything... But I have to wonder about the spirit
of the Andean people. The high Andes, Chili and Bolivia(?) must be
some of the most desolate and inhospitable places on the planet, and
the people are impoverished like few other places, yet they can create
the most cheerful and uplifting music. What do they have that we
don't, I wonder.
Of course no one has told them they live in a desolate inhospitable
place, and they don't know they are poor, so maybe our real problem is
the bullshit the marketeers lay on us. We are conditioned to want
more, never be satisfied with what we have, we can't be happy because
we are slaves to our economic models.
I agree with you on this. You have shown me a very good example. It
proves that our material need isn't as important as our spiritual need.
Post by default
and I retract "nothing to do with anything" it now seems like more of
an epiphany than a frivolous thought.
And I wonder if we will destroy that spirit when it turns out that
they have the world's greatest source of Lithium or some other
mineral?
and getting back to Jesus and Hippies that was one of their messages
to us. Sermon on the Mount "be like the birds; consider the lilies,
etc.."
If we were to follow Jesus, we'd bring down our whole civilization.
Not necessarily. Following God doesn't have to be poor. It's just that
rich people have too much to worry than just following God. If God's
existence can be known by all people, all people rich and poor would be
glad to join hands and follow God. Once we are certain about God's
existence, I'm sure people will stop and reconsider how they should live
their life according to God's will. It may make our civilization even
better than it is now.
Post by default
And how would that sit with evangelical Trump supporters? They've
managed to convince themselves that Jesus and capitalism are one and
the same.
God doesn't care about material things. God only cares what's in our
spiritual mind. By having too much material things, our mind will be
contaminated to become impure. Such mind will never know God.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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2018-01-10 17:26:50 UTC
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I'm re posting a reply to aaa because I think it has merit and what
started as a frivolous mind-burp seems like enlightenment now. I
should state that I know nothing of the Andes, except I can find it on
a map (puts me way ahead of Trump and US presidents) and know they
were a big source of silver and potassium nitrate in the past, and
they make some damn fine music.
There are a lot of folks that would disagree with you. They claim to
feel spiritual and in the presence of god when they enter a church. I
mean the church with the big stone blocks, stained glass, tall spires
etc., I don't know if the ones who use steel buildings get the same
kick.
I'm saying that you can encourage feelings deliberately if you choose
to. I do it with music. Whoever coined "wine, women and song," had
his head screwed on right IMO. Transcendental and spiritual....
I think the people that don't get it are the ones that can't stop and
smell the flowers. Some music is so powerful that it is an emotional
experience - but you have to divorce yourself from reality and leave
problems behind and really listen.
In your previous reply before this one, I misunderstood what you were
saying. I thought you were only talking about the feelings in the mind.
Here, I realize that you are also talking about the happy feelings from
the heart. So I agree with you that there are ways for us to relax to
experience the emotions in our heart. It's often a rather soothing and
energetic feeling. It's not only good but also healthy.
Here's some news, the heart's function is to pump blood. All feeling
is in the mind.
Post by aaa
I just want to add that there is another way to experience the emotions
in our heart. It is even better than what you said. Not only does it
allow us to experience the emotion but also allows us to better
understand our emotion. It's called following Jesus by living our life
for the Christ in our heart. This is not just a personal wish or
promise. We have to follow up with our action to practice it in life.
When we can put it into action to make a difference in our life, we have
served the Christ in our heart. As a reward, we will receive the emotion
that will make us understand the truth based on our real life situation.
This is a lot more powerful and a lot more liberating than just relaxing
and enjoying the music. That's because it has taught us the truth.
Post by default
*******
Nothing to do with anything... But I have to wonder about the spirit
of the Andean people. The high Andes, Chili and Bolivia(?) must be
some of the most desolate and inhospitable places on the planet, and
the people are impoverished like few other places, yet they can create
the most cheerful and uplifting music. What do they have that we
don't, I wonder.
Of course no one has told them they live in a desolate inhospitable
place, and they don't know they are poor, so maybe our real problem is
the bullshit the marketeers lay on us. We are conditioned to want
more, never be satisfied with what we have, we can't be happy because
we are slaves to our economic models.
I agree with you on this. You have shown me a very good example. It
proves that our material need isn't as important as our spiritual need.
Post by default
and I retract "nothing to do with anything" it now seems like more of
an epiphany than a frivolous thought.
And I wonder if we will destroy that spirit when it turns out that
they have the world's greatest source of Lithium or some other
mineral?
and getting back to Jesus and Hippies that was one of their messages
to us. Sermon on the Mount "be like the birds; consider the lilies,
etc.."
If we were to follow Jesus, we'd bring down our whole civilization.
Not necessarily. Following God doesn't have to be poor. It's just that
rich people have too much to worry than just following God. If God's
existence can be known by all people, all people rich and poor would be
glad to join hands and follow God. Once we are certain about God's
existence, I'm sure people will stop and reconsider how they should live
their life according to God's will. It may make our civilization even
better than it is now.
Wall Street would have to fold.

I am rich, I don't have a lot of money, but I am very rich.
Post by aaa
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And how would that sit with evangelical Trump supporters? They've
managed to convince themselves that Jesus and capitalism are one and
the same.
God doesn't care about material things. God only cares what's in our
spiritual mind. By having too much material things, our mind will be
contaminated to become impure. Such mind will never know God.
That's me alright. Your god is a sadistic bastard, I chose my friends
with more circumspection and attention to character.
aaa
2018-01-11 00:43:48 UTC
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I'm re posting a reply to aaa because I think it has merit and what
started as a frivolous mind-burp seems like enlightenment now. I
should state that I know nothing of the Andes, except I can find it on
a map (puts me way ahead of Trump and US presidents) and know they
were a big source of silver and potassium nitrate in the past, and
they make some damn fine music.
There are a lot of folks that would disagree with you. They claim to
feel spiritual and in the presence of god when they enter a church. I
mean the church with the big stone blocks, stained glass, tall spires
etc., I don't know if the ones who use steel buildings get the same
kick.
I'm saying that you can encourage feelings deliberately if you choose
to. I do it with music. Whoever coined "wine, women and song," had
his head screwed on right IMO. Transcendental and spiritual....
I think the people that don't get it are the ones that can't stop and
smell the flowers. Some music is so powerful that it is an emotional
experience - but you have to divorce yourself from reality and leave
problems behind and really listen.
In your previous reply before this one, I misunderstood what you were
saying. I thought you were only talking about the feelings in the mind.
Here, I realize that you are also talking about the happy feelings from
the heart. So I agree with you that there are ways for us to relax to
experience the emotions in our heart. It's often a rather soothing and
energetic feeling. It's not only good but also healthy.
Here's some news, the heart's function is to pump blood. All feeling
is in the mind.
You are only talking about the physical function of the heart. The heart
is also designed by God as our spiritual center. The spiritual mind
actually comes from the heart instead of the Brain. The ability of the
mind is all spiritual. Since the spiritual is a higher existence than
the physical existence, the ability of the mind can not be simulated or
produced by the physical brain. The brain only functions as a
communication center for the mind to interact with the world and our body.
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Post by aaa
I just want to add that there is another way to experience the emotions
in our heart. It is even better than what you said. Not only does it
allow us to experience the emotion but also allows us to better
understand our emotion. It's called following Jesus by living our life
for the Christ in our heart. This is not just a personal wish or
promise. We have to follow up with our action to practice it in life.
When we can put it into action to make a difference in our life, we have
served the Christ in our heart. As a reward, we will receive the emotion
that will make us understand the truth based on our real life situation.
This is a lot more powerful and a lot more liberating than just relaxing
and enjoying the music. That's because it has taught us the truth.
Post by default
*******
Nothing to do with anything... But I have to wonder about the spirit
of the Andean people. The high Andes, Chili and Bolivia(?) must be
some of the most desolate and inhospitable places on the planet, and
the people are impoverished like few other places, yet they can create
the most cheerful and uplifting music. What do they have that we
don't, I wonder.
Of course no one has told them they live in a desolate inhospitable
place, and they don't know they are poor, so maybe our real problem is
the bullshit the marketeers lay on us. We are conditioned to want
more, never be satisfied with what we have, we can't be happy because
we are slaves to our economic models.
I agree with you on this. You have shown me a very good example. It
proves that our material need isn't as important as our spiritual need.
Post by default
and I retract "nothing to do with anything" it now seems like more of
an epiphany than a frivolous thought.
And I wonder if we will destroy that spirit when it turns out that
they have the world's greatest source of Lithium or some other
mineral?
and getting back to Jesus and Hippies that was one of their messages
to us. Sermon on the Mount "be like the birds; consider the lilies,
etc.."
If we were to follow Jesus, we'd bring down our whole civilization.
Not necessarily. Following God doesn't have to be poor. It's just that
rich people have too much to worry than just following God. If God's
existence can be known by all people, all people rich and poor would be
glad to join hands and follow God. Once we are certain about God's
existence, I'm sure people will stop and reconsider how they should live
their life according to God's will. It may make our civilization even
better than it is now.
Wall Street would have to fold.
That's unfortunate. When people know that happiness is only found in
God, the pursuit of happiness has to be redefined.
Post by default
I am rich, I don't have a lot of money, but I am very rich.
The true wealth only comes from God. I'm really glad you can be so rich.
Post by default
Post by aaa
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And how would that sit with evangelical Trump supporters? They've
managed to convince themselves that Jesus and capitalism are one and
the same.
God doesn't care about material things. God only cares what's in our
spiritual mind. By having too much material things, our mind will be
contaminated to become impure. Such mind will never know God.
That's me alright. Your god is a sadistic bastard, I chose my friends
with more circumspection and attention to character.
If you agree that God is omniscient, don't you think he wouldn't know
that he would give us such impression from the OT description? I read an
interesting quote from Bob. It says: "With the purified you show
yourself pure; and with the crooked you make yourself seem tortuous."
(Psalm 18:26) It has given me a new understanding about what the Bible says.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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2018-01-11 01:56:29 UTC
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I'm re posting a reply to aaa because I think it has merit and what
started as a frivolous mind-burp seems like enlightenment now. I
should state that I know nothing of the Andes, except I can find it on
a map (puts me way ahead of Trump and US presidents) and know they
were a big source of silver and potassium nitrate in the past, and
they make some damn fine music.
There are a lot of folks that would disagree with you. They claim to
feel spiritual and in the presence of god when they enter a church. I
mean the church with the big stone blocks, stained glass, tall spires
etc., I don't know if the ones who use steel buildings get the same
kick.
I'm saying that you can encourage feelings deliberately if you choose
to. I do it with music. Whoever coined "wine, women and song," had
his head screwed on right IMO. Transcendental and spiritual....
I think the people that don't get it are the ones that can't stop and
smell the flowers. Some music is so powerful that it is an emotional
experience - but you have to divorce yourself from reality and leave
problems behind and really listen.
In your previous reply before this one, I misunderstood what you were
saying. I thought you were only talking about the feelings in the mind.
Here, I realize that you are also talking about the happy feelings from
the heart. So I agree with you that there are ways for us to relax to
experience the emotions in our heart. It's often a rather soothing and
energetic feeling. It's not only good but also healthy.
Here's some news, the heart's function is to pump blood. All feeling
is in the mind.
You are only talking about the physical function of the heart. The heart
is also designed by God as our spiritual center. The spiritual mind
actually comes from the heart instead of the Brain. The ability of the
mind is all spiritual. Since the spiritual is a higher existence than
the physical existence, the ability of the mind can not be simulated or
produced by the physical brain. The brain only functions as a
communication center for the mind to interact with the world and our body.
Where are you getting this? It only has a physical function, all the
other crapola attributed to the heart is a result of Hallmark and
Hollywood.

Pure superstition simply because cave men discovered it goes
thumpty-thump and when it stops doing that other animation also
ceases.
Post by aaa
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Post by aaa
I just want to add that there is another way to experience the emotions
in our heart. It is even better than what you said. Not only does it
allow us to experience the emotion but also allows us to better
understand our emotion. It's called following Jesus by living our life
for the Christ in our heart. This is not just a personal wish or
promise. We have to follow up with our action to practice it in life.
When we can put it into action to make a difference in our life, we have
served the Christ in our heart. As a reward, we will receive the emotion
that will make us understand the truth based on our real life situation.
This is a lot more powerful and a lot more liberating than just relaxing
and enjoying the music. That's because it has taught us the truth.
Post by default
*******
Nothing to do with anything... But I have to wonder about the spirit
of the Andean people. The high Andes, Chili and Bolivia(?) must be
some of the most desolate and inhospitable places on the planet, and
the people are impoverished like few other places, yet they can create
the most cheerful and uplifting music. What do they have that we
don't, I wonder.
Of course no one has told them they live in a desolate inhospitable
place, and they don't know they are poor, so maybe our real problem is
the bullshit the marketeers lay on us. We are conditioned to want
more, never be satisfied with what we have, we can't be happy because
we are slaves to our economic models.
I agree with you on this. You have shown me a very good example. It
proves that our material need isn't as important as our spiritual need.
Post by default
and I retract "nothing to do with anything" it now seems like more of
an epiphany than a frivolous thought.
And I wonder if we will destroy that spirit when it turns out that
they have the world's greatest source of Lithium or some other
mineral?
and getting back to Jesus and Hippies that was one of their messages
to us. Sermon on the Mount "be like the birds; consider the lilies,
etc.."
If we were to follow Jesus, we'd bring down our whole civilization.
Not necessarily. Following God doesn't have to be poor. It's just that
rich people have too much to worry than just following God. If God's
existence can be known by all people, all people rich and poor would be
glad to join hands and follow God. Once we are certain about God's
existence, I'm sure people will stop and reconsider how they should live
their life according to God's will. It may make our civilization even
better than it is now.
Wall Street would have to fold.
That's unfortunate. When people know that happiness is only found in
God, the pursuit of happiness has to be redefined.
Post by default
I am rich, I don't have a lot of money, but I am very rich.
The true wealth only comes from God. I'm really glad you can be so rich.
Post by default
Post by aaa
Post by default
And how would that sit with evangelical Trump supporters? They've
managed to convince themselves that Jesus and capitalism are one and
the same.
God doesn't care about material things. God only cares what's in our
spiritual mind. By having too much material things, our mind will be
contaminated to become impure. Such mind will never know God.
That's me alright. Your god is a sadistic bastard, I chose my friends
with more circumspection and attention to character.
If you agree that God is omniscient, don't you think he wouldn't know
that he would give us such impression from the OT description? I read an
interesting quote from Bob. It says: "With the purified you show
yourself pure; and with the crooked you make yourself seem tortuous."
(Psalm 18:26) It has given me a new understanding about what the Bible says.
I seriously doubt any gods exist so I can't begin to speculate on his
power or character. (beyond what religions claim - and that I don't
endorse)

If god exists and is omniscient - there are going to be a hell of a
lot of disappointed religious people.

I'm told that "god moves in mysterious ways" or that "it is impossible
to know the mind of god" by the very same people that want to tell me
that they know what their god wants. Now, any idiot can see that they
can either know what god wants, or that they can't, BUT THEY CAN'T DO
BOTH!
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2018-01-11 02:35:35 UTC
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I'm re posting a reply to aaa because I think it has merit
and what started as a frivolous mind-burp seems like
enlightenment now. I should state that I know nothing of the
Andes, except I can find it on a map (puts me way ahead of
Trump and US presidents) and know they were a big source of
silver and potassium nitrate in the past, and they make some
damn fine music.
There are a lot of folks that would disagree with you. They
claim to feel spiritual and in the presence of god when they
enter a church. I mean the church with the big stone blocks,
stained glass, tall spires etc., I don't know if the ones who
use steel buildings get the same kick.
I'm saying that you can encourage feelings deliberately if
you choose to. I do it with music. Whoever coined "wine,
women and song," had his head screwed on right IMO.
Transcendental and spiritual....
I think the people that don't get it are the ones that can't
stop and smell the flowers. Some music is so powerful that
it is an emotional experience - but you have to divorce
yourself from reality and leave problems behind and really
listen.
In your previous reply before this one, I misunderstood what
you were saying. I thought you were only talking about the
feelings in the mind. Here, I realize that you are also talking
about the happy feelings from the heart. So I agree with you
that there are ways for us to relax to experience the emotions
in our heart. It's often a rather soothing and energetic
feeling. It's not only good but also healthy.
Here's some news, the heart's function is to pump blood. All
feeling is in the mind.
You are only talking about the physical function of the heart. The
heart is also designed by God as our spiritual center. The
spiritual mind actually comes from the heart instead of the Brain.
The ability of the mind is all spiritual. Since the spiritual is a
higher existence than the physical existence, the ability of the
mind can not be simulated or produced by the physical brain. The
brain only functions as a communication center for the mind to
interact with the world and our body.
Where are you getting this? It only has a physical function, all
the other crapola attributed to the heart is a result of Hallmark
and Hollywood.
It comes from my personal spiritual practice. Spiritual knowledge can
only come from God. That's why following Jesus Christ is essential to
understand anything spiritual.
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Pure superstition simply because cave men discovered it goes
thumpty-thump and when it stops doing that other animation also
ceases.
There is nothing superstitious in what I said. Anyone can find out
whether what I said is true according to their own spiritual practice.
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I just want to add that there is another way to experience the
emotions in our heart. It is even better than what you said.
Not only does it allow us to experience the emotion but also
allows us to better understand our emotion. It's called
following Jesus by living our life for the Christ in our heart.
This is not just a personal wish or promise. We have to follow
up with our action to practice it in life. When we can put it
into action to make a difference in our life, we have served
the Christ in our heart. As a reward, we will receive the
emotion that will make us understand the truth based on our
real life situation. This is a lot more powerful and a lot more
liberating than just relaxing and enjoying the music. That's
because it has taught us the truth.
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Nothing to do with anything... But I have to wonder about the
spirit of the Andean people. The high Andes, Chili and
Bolivia(?) must be some of the most desolate and inhospitable
places on the planet, and the people are impoverished like
few other places, yet they can create the most cheerful and
uplifting music. What do they have that we don't, I wonder.
Of course no one has told them they live in a desolate
inhospitable place, and they don't know they are poor, so
maybe our real problem is the bullshit the marketeers lay on
us. We are conditioned to want more, never be satisfied with
what we have, we can't be happy because we are slaves to our
economic models.
I agree with you on this. You have shown me a very good
example. It proves that our material need isn't as important as
our spiritual need.
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and I retract "nothing to do with anything" it now seems like
more of an epiphany than a frivolous thought.
And I wonder if we will destroy that spirit when it turns out
that they have the world's greatest source of Lithium or some
other mineral?
and getting back to Jesus and Hippies that was one of their
messages to us. Sermon on the Mount "be like the birds;
consider the lilies, etc.."
If we were to follow Jesus, we'd bring down our whole
civilization.
Not necessarily. Following God doesn't have to be poor. It's
just that rich people have too much to worry than just
following God. If God's existence can be known by all people,
all people rich and poor would be glad to join hands and follow
God. Once we are certain about God's existence, I'm sure people
will stop and reconsider how they should live their life
according to God's will. It may make our civilization even
better than it is now.
Wall Street would have to fold.
That's unfortunate. When people know that happiness is only found
in God, the pursuit of happiness has to be redefined.
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I am rich, I don't have a lot of money, but I am very rich.
The true wealth only comes from God. I'm really glad you can be so rich.
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And how would that sit with evangelical Trump supporters?
They've managed to convince themselves that Jesus and
capitalism are one and the same.
God doesn't care about material things. God only cares what's
in our spiritual mind. By having too much material things, our
mind will be contaminated to become impure. Such mind will
never know God.
That's me alright. Your god is a sadistic bastard, I chose my
friends with more circumspection and attention to character.
If you agree that God is omniscient, don't you think he wouldn't
know that he would give us such impression from the OT description?
I read an interesting quote from Bob. It says: "With the purified
you show yourself pure; and with the crooked you make yourself seem
tortuous." (Psalm 18:26) It has given me a new understanding about
what the Bible says.
I seriously doubt any gods exist so I can't begin to speculate on
his power or character. (beyond what religions claim - and that I
don't endorse)
Since we are talking about God, you need to at least acknowledge his
existence for the sake of communication.
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If god exists and is omniscient - there are going to be a hell of a
lot of disappointed religious people.
That's unfortunate.
Post by default
I'm told that "god moves in mysterious ways" or that "it is
impossible to know the mind of god" by the very same people that want
to tell me that they know what their god wants. Now, any idiot can
see that they can either know what god wants, or that they can't, BUT
THEY CAN'T DO BOTH!
The mind of God is impossible for sinners like us to know. The will of
God is known by all people from the bottom of their heart. We just have
to follow what's in our heart to learn the lesson of life that God has
prepared for us.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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I'm re posting a reply to aaa because I think it has merit
and what started as a frivolous mind-burp seems like
enlightenment now. I should state that I know nothing of the
Andes, except I can find it on a map (puts me way ahead of
Trump and US presidents) and know they were a big source of
silver and potassium nitrate in the past, and they make some
damn fine music.
There are a lot of folks that would disagree with you. They
claim to feel spiritual and in the presence of god when they
enter a church. I mean the church with the big stone blocks,
stained glass, tall spires etc., I don't know if the ones who
use steel buildings get the same kick.
I'm saying that you can encourage feelings deliberately if
you choose to. I do it with music. Whoever coined "wine,
women and song," had his head screwed on right IMO.
Transcendental and spiritual....
I think the people that don't get it are the ones that can't
stop and smell the flowers. Some music is so powerful that
it is an emotional experience - but you have to divorce
yourself from reality and leave problems behind and really
listen.
In your previous reply before this one, I misunderstood what
you were saying. I thought you were only talking about the
feelings in the mind. Here, I realize that you are also talking
about the happy feelings from the heart. So I agree with you
that there are ways for us to relax to experience the emotions
in our heart. It's often a rather soothing and energetic
feeling. It's not only good but also healthy.
Here's some news, the heart's function is to pump blood. All
feeling is in the mind.
You are only talking about the physical function of the heart. The
heart is also designed by God as our spiritual center. The
spiritual mind actually comes from the heart instead of the Brain.
The ability of the mind is all spiritual. Since the spiritual is a
higher existence than the physical existence, the ability of the
mind can not be simulated or produced by the physical brain. The
brain only functions as a communication center for the mind to
interact with the world and our body.
Where are you getting this? It only has a physical function, all
the other crapola attributed to the heart is a result of Hallmark
and Hollywood.
It comes from my personal spiritual practice. Spiritual knowledge can
only come from God. That's why following Jesus Christ is essential to
understand anything spiritual.
Post by default
Pure superstition simply because cave men discovered it goes
thumpty-thump and when it stops doing that other animation also
ceases.
There is nothing superstitious in what I said. Anyone can find out
whether what I said is true according to their own spiritual practice.
Or in other words just another "feeling" in your mind. Emotion,
wishes, dreams, hallucinations, etc., do not make it real.

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is
answers that may never be questioned. – Anonymous
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Post by aaa
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I just want to add that there is another way to experience the
emotions in our heart. It is even better than what you said.
Not only does it allow us to experience the emotion but also
allows us to better understand our emotion. It's called
following Jesus by living our life for the Christ in our heart.
This is not just a personal wish or promise. We have to follow
up with our action to practice it in life. When we can put it
into action to make a difference in our life, we have served
the Christ in our heart. As a reward, we will receive the
emotion that will make us understand the truth based on our
real life situation. This is a lot more powerful and a lot more
liberating than just relaxing and enjoying the music. That's
because it has taught us the truth.
Post by default
*******
Nothing to do with anything... But I have to wonder about the
spirit of the Andean people. The high Andes, Chili and
Bolivia(?) must be some of the most desolate and inhospitable
places on the planet, and the people are impoverished like
few other places, yet they can create the most cheerful and
uplifting music. What do they have that we don't, I wonder.
Of course no one has told them they live in a desolate
inhospitable place, and they don't know they are poor, so
maybe our real problem is the bullshit the marketeers lay on
us. We are conditioned to want more, never be satisfied with
what we have, we can't be happy because we are slaves to our
economic models.
I agree with you on this. You have shown me a very good
example. It proves that our material need isn't as important as
our spiritual need.
Post by default
and I retract "nothing to do with anything" it now seems like
more of an epiphany than a frivolous thought.
And I wonder if we will destroy that spirit when it turns out
that they have the world's greatest source of Lithium or some
other mineral?
and getting back to Jesus and Hippies that was one of their
messages to us. Sermon on the Mount "be like the birds;
consider the lilies, etc.."
If we were to follow Jesus, we'd bring down our whole
civilization.
Not necessarily. Following God doesn't have to be poor. It's
just that rich people have too much to worry than just
following God. If God's existence can be known by all people,
all people rich and poor would be glad to join hands and follow
God. Once we are certain about God's existence, I'm sure people
will stop and reconsider how they should live their life
according to God's will. It may make our civilization even
better than it is now.
Wall Street would have to fold.
That's unfortunate. When people know that happiness is only found
in God, the pursuit of happiness has to be redefined.
Post by default
I am rich, I don't have a lot of money, but I am very rich.
The true wealth only comes from God. I'm really glad you can be so rich.
Post by default
Post by aaa
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And how would that sit with evangelical Trump supporters?
They've managed to convince themselves that Jesus and
capitalism are one and the same.
God doesn't care about material things. God only cares what's
in our spiritual mind. By having too much material things, our
mind will be contaminated to become impure. Such mind will
never know God.
That's me alright. Your god is a sadistic bastard, I chose my
friends with more circumspection and attention to character.
If you agree that God is omniscient, don't you think he wouldn't
know that he would give us such impression from the OT description?
I read an interesting quote from Bob. It says: "With the purified
you show yourself pure; and with the crooked you make yourself seem
tortuous." (Psalm 18:26) It has given me a new understanding about
what the Bible says.
I seriously doubt any gods exist so I can't begin to speculate on
his power or character. (beyond what religions claim - and that I
don't endorse)
Since we are talking about God, you need to at least acknowledge his
existence for the sake of communication.
Post by default
If god exists and is omniscient - there are going to be a hell of a
lot of disappointed religious people.
That's unfortunate.
Post by default
I'm told that "god moves in mysterious ways" or that "it is
impossible to know the mind of god" by the very same people that want
to tell me that they know what their god wants. Now, any idiot can
see that they can either know what god wants, or that they can't, BUT
THEY CAN'T DO BOTH!
The mind of God is impossible for sinners like us to know. The will of
God is known by all people from the bottom of their heart. We just have
to follow what's in our heart to learn the lesson of life that God has
prepared for us.
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2018-01-11 15:39:22 UTC
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I'm re posting a reply to aaa because I think it has
merit and what started as a frivolous mind-burp seems
like enlightenment now. I should state that I know
nothing of the Andes, except I can find it on a map (puts
me way ahead of Trump and US presidents) and know they
were a big source of silver and potassium nitrate in the
past, and they make some damn fine music.
There are a lot of folks that would disagree with you.
They claim to feel spiritual and in the presence of god
when they enter a church. I mean the church with the big
stone blocks, stained glass, tall spires etc., I don't
know if the ones who use steel buildings get the same
kick.
I'm saying that you can encourage feelings deliberately
if you choose to. I do it with music. Whoever coined
"wine, women and song," had his head screwed on right
IMO. Transcendental and spiritual....
I think the people that don't get it are the ones that
can't stop and smell the flowers. Some music is so
powerful that it is an emotional experience - but you
have to divorce yourself from reality and leave problems
behind and really listen.
In your previous reply before this one, I misunderstood
what you were saying. I thought you were only talking about
the feelings in the mind. Here, I realize that you are also
talking about the happy feelings from the heart. So I agree
with you that there are ways for us to relax to experience
the emotions in our heart. It's often a rather soothing and
energetic feeling. It's not only good but also healthy.
Here's some news, the heart's function is to pump blood.
All feeling is in the mind.
You are only talking about the physical function of the heart.
The heart is also designed by God as our spiritual center. The
spiritual mind actually comes from the heart instead of the
Brain. The ability of the mind is all spiritual. Since the
spiritual is a higher existence than the physical existence,
the ability of the mind can not be simulated or produced by the
physical brain. The brain only functions as a communication
center for the mind to interact with the world and our body.
Where are you getting this? It only has a physical function,
all the other crapola attributed to the heart is a result of
Hallmark and Hollywood.
It comes from my personal spiritual practice. Spiritual knowledge
can only come from God. That's why following Jesus Christ is
essential to understand anything spiritual.
Post by default
Pure superstition simply because cave men discovered it goes
thumpty-thump and when it stops doing that other animation also
ceases.
There is nothing superstitious in what I said. Anyone can find out
whether what I said is true according to their own spiritual
practice.
Or in other words just another "feeling" in your mind. Emotion,
wishes, dreams, hallucinations, etc., do not make it real.
No. You have confused the issue. The feeling in the mind is very
different from the emotion in our heart. What's in the mind is called
desire, lust, and wishful thinking. What's in the heart is called love,
compassion, and faith. They should never be mixed up. They are entirely
different things.
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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is
answers that may never be questioned. – Anonymous
Pure ignorance. Both philosophy and spirituality belong to God. There is
no answer in philosophy because modern philosophy has abandoned God. It
doesn't even know the simple philosophical fact that philosophy is the
study of God's spiritual realm and existence. As for religion, the
reason it forbids questioning is that it doesn't know the answer. It has
fallen away from God also.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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If you agree that God is omniscient, don't you think he wouldn't
know that he would give us such impression from the OT description?
I read an interesting quote from Bob. It says: "With the purified
you show yourself pure; and with the crooked you make yourself seem
tortuous." (Psalm 18:26) It has given me a new understanding about
what the Bible says.
I seriously doubt any gods exist so I can't begin to speculate on
his power or character. (beyond what religions claim - and that I
don't endorse)
Since we are talking about God, you need to at least acknowledge his
existence for the sake of communication.
It isn't necessary to believe in a god to be moral and have beliefs.

It isn't necessary to believe in a god to point out to those, so
oppressed, that they believe in conflicting, illogical and irrational
things.

It IS necessary for a god to be consistent, logical, and rational for
me to believe.

It is necessary to be vocal in one's disbelief as long as the
religious insist on "converting" proselytizing, indoctrinating,
preaching, etc.. They must not be unopposed and unchallenged as long
as they think their beliefs are reasons to govern my behavior and
choices. That is an affront to my freedom and humanity.
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If god exists and is omniscient - there are going to be a hell of a
lot of disappointed religious people.
That's unfortunate.
No, that is justice. The whole of religion is populated by people who
seem to think the louder they shout about their belief, or hatred of
sin, or the sanctity of their own pious lives, their god will snatch
them up into heaven. An omniscient god would know exactly what evil
festers in their minds.

Dante reserves the ninth circle of hell for those folks; it almost
makes me wish I believed in god.
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I'm told that "god moves in mysterious ways" or that "it is
impossible to know the mind of god" by the very same people that want
to tell me that they know what their god wants. Now, any idiot can
see that they can either know what god wants, or that they can't, BUT
THEY CAN'T DO BOTH!
The mind of God is impossible for sinners like us to know. The will of
God is known by all people from the bottom of their heart. We just have
to follow what's in our heart to learn the lesson of life that God has
prepared for us.
This is selective blindness in my opinion. God is quick to tell us
his wants, but not his fantasies?
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2018-01-11 16:54:19 UTC
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If you agree that God is omniscient, don't you think he
wouldn't know that he would give us such impression from the OT
"With the purified you show yourself pure; and with the crooked
you make yourself seem tortuous." (Psalm 18:26) It has given me
a new understanding about what the Bible says.
I seriously doubt any gods exist so I can't begin to speculate
on his power or character. (beyond what religions claim - and
that I don't endorse)
Since we are talking about God, you need to at least acknowledge
his existence for the sake of communication.
It isn't necessary to believe in a god to be moral and have beliefs.
I can't be sure about that. Morality belongs to God. Without God, there
can be no real morality.
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It isn't necessary to believe in a god to point out to those, so
oppressed, that they believe in conflicting, illogical and
irrational things.
I can't understand why anyone would do that without understanding God
first. I'm sure about their sincerity, but I'm not so sure about their
knowledge of God.
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It IS necessary for a god to be consistent, logical, and rational
for me to believe.
God is the truth. The truth is always consistent, logical, and rational.
The fact that the Bible is too difficult for us to understand is not any
evidence for God being inconsistent. It's evidence for us being ignorant.
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It is necessary to be vocal in one's disbelief as long as the
religious insist on "converting" proselytizing, indoctrinating,
preaching, etc.. They must not be unopposed and unchallenged as
long as they think their beliefs are reasons to govern my behavior
and choices. That is an affront to my freedom and humanity.
Of course. Just because God's existence has been shown to be true
doesn't mean we are going to revert back to religious indoctrination or
theocracy. We are better than that, and God would be greatly
disappointed if we did. God is the giver of all knowledge. All of our
modern accomplishments are the results of God giving us his wisdom. We
should never forget that, and we should never go back to live in a
tribal society.
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If god exists and is omniscient - there are going to be a hell of
a lot of disappointed religious people.
That's unfortunate.
No, that is justice. The whole of religion is populated by people
who seem to think the louder they shout about their belief, or hatred
of sin, or the sanctity of their own pious lives, their god will
snatch them up into heaven. An omniscient god would know exactly
what evil festers in their minds.
I think you are oversimplifying things. There are bad religious people,
but there are always more good religious people. When the whole world
knows God's existence, the good people will rejoice, and the bad people
will have to repent. There can be no other choice.
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Dante reserves the ninth circle of hell for those folks; it almost
makes me wish I believed in god.
I'm sure everything is under God's control. I don't have to worry about
that.
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I'm told that "god moves in mysterious ways" or that "it is
impossible to know the mind of god" by the very same people that
want to tell me that they know what their god wants. Now, any
idiot can see that they can either know what god wants, or that
they can't, BUT THEY CAN'T DO BOTH!
The mind of God is impossible for sinners like us to know. The will
of God is known by all people from the bottom of their heart. We
just have to follow what's in our heart to learn the lesson of life
that God has prepared for us.
This is selective blindness in my opinion. God is quick to tell us
his wants, but not his fantasies?
God is the truth. The truth doesn't need fantasies. God's will is to
show us the truth so that we will never be lost in this world again.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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It isn't necessary to believe in a god to be moral and have beliefs.
I can't be sure about that. Morality belongs to God. Without God, there
can be no real morality.
What God? You mean Bible God? If you think that Bible is moral, then you
are crazy...
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2018-01-11 18:38:06 UTC
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It isn't necessary to believe in a god to be moral and have beliefs.
I can't be sure about that. Morality belongs to God. Without God, there
can be no real morality.
What God? You mean Bible God? If you think that Bible is moral, then you
are crazy...
There is only one God. If you think that the Bible is immoral, then you
have not really understood the Bible.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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It isn't necessary to believe in a god to be moral and have beliefs.
I can't be sure about that. Morality belongs to God. Without God, there
can be no real morality.
What God? You mean Bible God? If you think that Bible is moral, then you
are crazy...
Mr. aaa understands the bible better than people that have actually
read the bible.

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