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Lucifer Morningstar
2017-06-17 03:44:08 UTC
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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions of
reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of religion
and theism.
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2017-06-17 16:22:39 UTC
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http://youtu.be/qfTh9HPySCg
Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions of
reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of religion
and theism.
Really? You can strike:

1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
Mitchell Holman
2017-06-17 18:23:10 UTC
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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions
of reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of
religion and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Fact check

Known land animal species =
Insects: 1-30 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3


And that doesn't include all the dinosaurs
that had to have been on the Ark as well.
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2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were
in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
The Israelites were never in Egypt,
or the Sinai, or Saudi Arabia.



Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible

Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.

"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
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2017-06-17 18:31:09 UTC
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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions
of reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of
religion and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Fact check
Known land animal species =
Insects: 1-30 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3
And that doesn't include all the dinosaurs
that had to have been on the Ark as well.
Post by A***@yahoo.com
2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were
in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
The Israelites were never in Egypt,
or the Sinai, or Saudi Arabia.
Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
The only thing that Israel Finkelstein brings to the table is that he's new. A new view, relatively speaking. There are some very good books written that show the evidence for Israel in Egypt.

This book off Oxnard University Press is one of such books:

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/israel-in-egypt-9780195130881?cc=us&lang=en&
Mitchell Holman
2017-06-17 18:44:29 UTC
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http://youtu.be/qfTh9HPySCg
Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking
champions of reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic,
secularist, free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how
you label it, these guys make some awesome points on the
inconsistencies of religion and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Fact check
Known land animal species =
Insects: 1-30 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3
And that doesn't include all the dinosaurs
that had to have been on the Ark as well.
Post by A***@yahoo.com
2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They
were in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
The Israelites were never in Egypt,
or the Sinai, or Saudi Arabia.
Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
The only thing that Israel Finkelstein brings to the table is that
he's new. A new view, relatively speaking.
New research, new findings, new conclusions
that further demolish the quaint fairy tale of
the Exodus. Even Jews recognize the whole book
is just a fable.
John Locke
2017-06-17 21:06:05 UTC
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http://youtu.be/qfTh9HPySCg
Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions
of reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of
religion and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Fact check
Known land animal species =
Insects: 1-30 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3
And that doesn't include all the dinosaurs
that had to have been on the Ark as well.
Post by A***@yahoo.com
2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were
in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
The Israelites were never in Egypt,
or the Sinai, or Saudi Arabia.
Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
The only thing that Israel Finkelstein brings to the table is that he's new.
A new view, relatively speaking. There are some very good books written
that show the evidence for Israel in Egypt.
..no it's not. It's just speculation. Hoffmeier states from the very
beginning of his book that there is in fact no archaeological or
physical evidence to prove that the Exodus tradition is true. However,
he continues to say that he is able to provide indirect evidence that
is indeed convincing.
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Christopher A. Lee
2017-06-17 21:09:47 UTC
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Post by Lucifer Morningstar
http://youtu.be/qfTh9HPySCg
Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions
of reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of
religion and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Fact check
Known land animal species =
Insects: 1-30 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3
And that doesn't include all the dinosaurs
that had to have been on the Ark as well.
Post by A***@yahoo.com
2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were
in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
The Israelites were never in Egypt,
or the Sinai, or Saudi Arabia.
Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
The only thing that Israel Finkelstein brings to the table is that he's new.
A new view, relatively speaking. There are some very good books written
that show the evidence for Israel in Egypt.
..no it's not. It's just speculation. Hoffmeier states from the very
beginning of his book that there is in fact no archaeological or
physical evidence to prove that the Exodus tradition is true. However,
he continues to say that he is able to provide indirect evidence that
is indeed convincing.
Post by A***@yahoo.com
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But does he provide it?

And does he address all the objections to the story?
John Locke
2017-06-17 23:26:44 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
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Post by Lucifer Morningstar
http://youtu.be/qfTh9HPySCg
Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions
of reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of
religion and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Fact check
Known land animal species =
Insects: 1-30 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3
And that doesn't include all the dinosaurs
that had to have been on the Ark as well.
Post by A***@yahoo.com
2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were
in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
The Israelites were never in Egypt,
or the Sinai, or Saudi Arabia.
Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
The only thing that Israel Finkelstein brings to the table is that he's new.
A new view, relatively speaking. There are some very good books written
that show the evidence for Israel in Egypt.
..no it's not. It's just speculation. Hoffmeier states from the very
beginning of his book that there is in fact no archaeological or
physical evidence to prove that the Exodus tradition is true. However,
he continues to say that he is able to provide indirect evidence that
is indeed convincing.
Post by A***@yahoo.com
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But does he provide it?
And does he address all the objections to the story?
...he doesn't point out or criticize the nonsensical nature of
biblical stories but assumes they are true and proceeds
unabated to build his case around them. He ambiguously asserts that
Joseph could have existed and risen to power in Egypt based on the
fact that there are a number of "Egyptian writings" that confirm
foreign leadership in Egypt. He never addresses the problems
associated with a million plus men, women and children wondering
around in the desert undetected by the Egyptians for 40 years and
never addresses the many problems associated with the parting of the
Red Sea. The book is a very weak argument for the Exodus.
Christopher A. Lee
2017-06-18 03:01:30 UTC
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Post by John Locke
Post by A***@yahoo.com
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by A***@yahoo.com
Post by Lucifer Morningstar
http://youtu.be/qfTh9HPySCg
Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions
of reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of
religion and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Fact check
Known land animal species =
Insects: 1-30 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3
And that doesn't include all the dinosaurs
that had to have been on the Ark as well.
Post by A***@yahoo.com
2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were
in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
The Israelites were never in Egypt,
or the Sinai, or Saudi Arabia.
Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
The only thing that Israel Finkelstein brings to the table is that he's new.
A new view, relatively speaking. There are some very good books written
that show the evidence for Israel in Egypt.
..no it's not. It's just speculation. Hoffmeier states from the very
beginning of his book that there is in fact no archaeological or
physical evidence to prove that the Exodus tradition is true. However,
he continues to say that he is able to provide indirect evidence that
is indeed convincing.
Post by A***@yahoo.com
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But does he provide it?
And does he address all the objections to the story?
...he doesn't point out or criticize the nonsensical nature of
biblical stories but assumes they are true and proceeds
unabated to build his case around them. He ambiguously asserts that
Joseph could have existed and risen to power in Egypt based on the
fact that there are a number of "Egyptian writings" that confirm
foreign leadership in Egypt. He never addresses the problems
associated with a million plus men, women and children wondering
around in the desert undetected by the Egyptians for 40 years and
never addresses the many problems associated with the parting of the
Red Sea. The book is a very weak argument for the Exodus.
As with other apologetic "arguments" that fallaciously try to "prove"
it using fallacious secondary arguments which presume the veracity of
the Bible, this weakens whatever case he is trying to make.

Christians don't need them anyway, because when the Bible says
something they believe it without them.

All they are, are rationalisation for their belief system using other
bits of it - but the belief system is self-referential and has no
intersection with reality.

Non-Christians (not just atheists) don't believe the Bible in the
first place, so they aren't going to accept the presumptions in these
secondary arguments.

Religion makes people stupid.
Kit
2017-06-19 15:58:12 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by A***@yahoo.com
Post by Lucifer Morningstar
http://youtu.be/qfTh9HPySCg
Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions
of reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of
religion and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Fact check
Known land animal species =
Insects: 1-30 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3
And that doesn't include all the dinosaurs
that had to have been on the Ark as well.
Post by A***@yahoo.com
2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were
in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
The Israelites were never in Egypt,
or the Sinai, or Saudi Arabia.
Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
The only thing that Israel Finkelstein brings to the table is that he's new.
A new view, relatively speaking. There are some very good books written
that show the evidence for Israel in Egypt.
..no it's not. It's just speculation. Hoffmeier states from the very
beginning of his book that there is in fact no archaeological or
physical evidence to prove that the Exodus tradition is true. However,
he continues to say that he is able to provide indirect evidence that
is indeed convincing.
Post by A***@yahoo.com
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/israel-in-egypt-9780195130881?cc=us&lang=en&
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But does he provide it?
And does he address all the objections to the story?
...he doesn't point out or criticize the nonsensical nature of
biblical stories but assumes they are true and proceeds
unabated to build his case around them. He ambiguously asserts that
Joseph could have existed and risen to power in Egypt based on the
fact that there are a number of "Egyptian writings" that confirm
foreign leadership in Egypt. He never addresses the problems
associated with a million plus men, women and children wondering
around in the desert undetected by the Egyptians for 40 years and
never addresses the many problems associated with the parting of the
Red Sea. The book is a very weak argument for the Exodus.
As with other apologetic "arguments" that fallaciously try to "prove"
it using fallacious secondary arguments which presume the veracity of
the Bible, this weakens whatever case he is trying to make.
Christians don't need them anyway, because when the Bible says
something they believe it without them.
All they are, are rationalisation for their belief system using other
bits of it - but the belief system is self-referential and has no
intersection with reality.
Non-Christians (not just atheists) don't believe the Bible in the
first place, so they aren't going to accept the presumptions in these
secondary arguments.
Religion makes people stupid.
You should avoid making blanket statements. Religion makes some people stupid. On the other hand, I know of some very intelligent religious people. What do you think of your significant other? Is she stupid?\

-- Kit
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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions
of reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of
religion and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Fact check
Known land animal species =
Insects: 1-30 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3
And that doesn't include all the dinosaurs
that had to have been on the Ark as well.
2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were
in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
The Israelites were never in Egypt,
or the Sinai, or Saudi Arabia.
Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
The only thing that Israel Finkelstein brings to the table is that he's new.
A new view, relatively speaking. There are some very good books written
that show the evidence for Israel in Egypt.
..no it's not. It's just speculation. Hoffmeier states from the very
beginning of his book that there is in fact no archaeological or
physical evidence to prove that the Exodus tradition is true. However,
he continues to say that he is able to provide indirect evidence that
is indeed convincing.
Post by A***@yahoo.com
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But does he provide it?
And does he address all the objections to the story?
...he doesn't point out or criticize the nonsensical nature of
biblical stories but assumes they are true and proceeds
unabated to build his case around them. He ambiguously asserts that
Joseph could have existed and risen to power in Egypt based on the
fact that there are a number of "Egyptian writings" that confirm
foreign leadership in Egypt. He never addresses the problems
associated with a million plus men, women and children wondering
around in the desert undetected by the Egyptians for 40 years and
never addresses the many problems associated with the parting of the
Red Sea. The book is a very weak argument for the Exodus.
As with other apologetic "arguments" that fallaciously try to "prove"
it using fallacious secondary arguments which presume the veracity of
the Bible, this weakens whatever case he is trying to make.
Christians don't need them anyway, because when the Bible says
something they believe it without them.
All they are, are rationalisation for their belief system using other
bits of it - but the belief system is self-referential and has no
intersection with reality.
Non-Christians (not just atheists) don't believe the Bible in the
first place, so they aren't going to accept the presumptions in these
secondary arguments.
Religion makes people stupid.
You should avoid making blanket statements. Religion makes some people stupid. On the other hand, I know of some very intelligent religious people. What do you think of your significant other? Is she stupid?\
I am in doubt....if they are intelligent, why would they believe in non-existent pixies? May be they are just fools?
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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions
of reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of
religion and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Fact check
Known land animal species =
Insects: 1-30 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3
And that doesn't include all the dinosaurs
that had to have been on the Ark as well.
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2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were
in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
The Israelites were never in Egypt,
or the Sinai, or Saudi Arabia.
Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
The only thing that Israel Finkelstein brings to the table is that he's new. A new view, relatively speaking. There are some very good books written that
show the evidence for Israel in Egypt.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I bet you didn't even research Finkelstein. The book
came out 16 years ago. And many of the views expressed in the book weren't
new when the book came out. So, as usual, you don't know what you're yammering about.


Here's a bio of Finkelstein:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Finkelstein

Here's a bio of Neil Asher Silberman:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Asher_Silberman
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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions
of reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of
religion and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Fact check
Known land animal species =
Insects: 1-30 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3
And that doesn't include all the dinosaurs
that had to have been on the Ark as well.
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2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were
in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
The Israelites were never in Egypt,
or the Sinai, or Saudi Arabia.
Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
The only thing that Israel Finkelstein brings to the table is that he's new. A new view, relatively speaking. There are some very good books written that
show the evidence for Israel in Egypt.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. I bet you didn't even research Finkelstein. The book
came out 16 years ago. And many of the views expressed in the book weren't
new when the book came out. So, as usual, you don't know what you're yammering about.
So what? I looked at that book some 16 years ago and was not impressed. My thought was, how could a man just deliberately ignore and be silent in regard to the positive evidence? That's unscholarly. His credentials should be taken away.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Finkelstein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Asher_Silberman
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https://global.oup.com/academic/product/israel-in-egypt-9780195130881?cc=us&lang=en&
hypatiab7
2017-06-17 22:24:03 UTC
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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions
of reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of
religion and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Fact check
Known land animal species =
Insects: 1-30 million+ species
Arachnids: 75,500 species
Reptiles: 7,984 species
Amphibians: 5,400 species
Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3
And that doesn't include all the dinosaurs
that had to have been on the Ark as well.
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2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were
in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
The Israelites were never in Egypt,
or the Sinai, or Saudi Arabia.
Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html
"The Bible Unearthed" first was published in 2001. It is still one of
the best books on Biblical archaeology and history. I wish Silberman
and Finkelstein would publish an update.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed

The above is an excellent historical review of the book.

There is also a four part documentary based on the book that is highly rated.
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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions of
reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of religion
and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
as soon as your leave Fantasia and realize that magic does not and can
not exist then feel free to bring up your comments and queries,
because until then you words mean just as much as tinkerbells.
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2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
hypatiab7
2017-06-17 19:25:22 UTC
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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions of
reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of religion
and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
You're changing the myth to suit yourself. Nothing new with you. I really
do believe that now that Wyatt is gone, you make up your religion as you
go along.
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2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
What kind of artifacts and where, exactly? Evidence, please

Neither of which has anything to do with atheism. If you want to discuss your silly myth, go to a religious newsgroup. This is alt.atheism and you are an invader and troll who has never successfully backed up anything you write.
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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions of
reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of religion
and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
No proof as usual.
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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions of
reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of religion
and theism.
1. Thousands of species needed on Noah's Ark.
Oh, how did Noah gathered all the species?
And how did he traveled to all corners of the earth? By jet plane?
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2. Israelites weren't in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years. They were in Arabia. Artifacts are found there.
Where????

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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions of
reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of religion
and theism.
Thank you, but you forgot the group that makes these fats most
obvious, anti-theists.
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Religion just doesn't make sense once these free-thinking champions of
reason point out the harsh facts. Atheist, agnostic, secularist,
free-thinker, doubter, non-believer - no matter how you label it,
these guys make some awesome points on the inconsistencies of religion
and theism.
Thank you, but you forgot the group that makes these
fats
*facts
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most obvious, anti-theists.
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