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TM
2009-01-25 00:36:55 UTC
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For the choir director. A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his
heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have committed
abominable deeds; There is no one who does good.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.

King James Bible
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt,
they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

American King James Version
The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt,
they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.

American Standard Version
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt,
they have done abominable works; There is none that doeth good.

Bible in Basic English
<To the chief music-maker. Of David.> The foolish man has said in his
heart, God will not do anything. They are unclean, they have done evil
works; there is not one who does good.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Unto the end, a psalm for David. The fool hath said in his heart:
There is no God, They are corrupt, and are become abominable in their
ways: there is none that doth good, no not one.

Darby Bible Translation
{To the chief Musician. A Psalm of David.} The fool hath said in his
heart, There is no God. They have corrupted themselves, they have done
abominable works: there is none that doeth good.

English Revised Version
For the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his
heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable
works; there is none that doeth good.

Webster's Bible Translation
To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his
heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable
works, there is none that doeth good.

World English Bible
The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt.
They have done abominable works. There is none who does good.

Young's Literal Translation
To the Overseer. -- By David. A fool hath said in his heart, 'God is
not;' They have done corruptly, They have done abominable actions,
There is not a doer of good.


Geneva Study Bible
<A Psalm of David.>> The fool hath said in his heart, {a} There is no
God. They are {b} corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is
none that doeth good.

(a) He shows that the cause of all wickedness if forgetting God.

(b) There is nothing but disorder and wickedness among them.

Wesley's Notes

14:1 The fool - The wicked man. Good - That is, actions really good or
pleasing to God.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

PSALM 14

Ps 14:1-7. The practical atheism and total and universal depravity of
the wicked, with their hatred to the good, are set forth. Yet, as they
dread God's judgments when He vindicates His people, the Psalmist
prays for His delivering power.

1. Sinners are termed "fools," because they think and act contrary to
right reason (Ge 34:7; Jos 7:15; Ps 39:8; 74:18, 22).

in his heart-to himself (Ge 6:12).

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

14:1-7 A description of the depravity of human nature, and the
deplorable corruption of a great part of mankind. - The fool hath said
in his heart, There is no God. The sinner here described is an
atheist, one that saith there is no Judge or Governor of the world, no
Providence ruling over the affairs of men. He says this in his heart.
He cannot satisfy himself that there is none, but wishes there were
none, and pleases himself that it is possible there may be none; he is
willing to think there is none. This sinner is a fool; he is simple
and unwise, and this is evidence of it: he is wicked and profane, and
this is the cause. The word of God is a discerner of these thoughts.
No man will say, There is no God, till he is so hardened in sin, that
it is become his interest that there should be none to call him to an
account. The disease of sin has infected the whole race of mankind.
They are all gone aside, there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Whatever good is in any of the children of men, or is done by them, it
is not of themselves, it is God's work in them. They are gone aside
from the right way of their duty, the way that leads to happiness, and
are turned into the paths of the destroyer. Let us lament the
corruption of our nature, and see what need we have of the grace of
God: let us not marvel that we are told we must be born again. And we
must not rest in any thing short of union with Christ, and a new
creation to holiness by his Spirit. The psalmist endeavours to
convince sinners of the evil and danger of their way, while they think
themselves very wise, and good, and safe. Their wickedness is
described. Those that care not for God's people, for God's poor, care
not for God himself. People run into all manner of wickedness, because
they do not call upon God for his grace. What good can be expected
from those that live without prayer? But those that will not fear God,
may be made to fear at the shaking of a leaf. All our knowledge of the
depravity of human nature should endear to us salvation out of Zion.
But in heaven alone shall the whole company of the redeemed rejoice
fully, and for evermore. The world is bad; oh that the Messiah would
come and change its character! There is universal corruption; oh for
the times of reformation! The triumphs of Zion's King will be the joys
of Zion's children. The second coming of Christ, finally to do away
the dominion of sin and Satan, will be the completing of this
salvation, which is the hope, and will be the joy of every Israelite
indeed. With this assurance we should comfort ourselves and one
another, under the sins of sinners and sufferings of saints.



Abominable Abominably Chief Choirmaster Committed Corrupt Corrupted
Corruptly David Dealt Deeds Director Fool Foolish Good Heart Leader
Music Musician Music-Maker Psalm Themselves Unclean Vile Works

Abominable Abominably Chief Choirmaster Committed Corrupt Corrupted
Corruptly David Dealt Deeds Director Fool Foolish Good Heart Leader
Music Musician Music-Maker Psalm Themselves Unclean Vile Works

Abominable Abominably Actions Anything Chief Choirmaster Committed
Corrupt Corrupted Corruptly David Dealt Deeds Doer Evil Fool Foolish
Gt Heart Leader Lt Music Musician Music-maker None Overseer Psalm Says
Themselves Unclean Vile Works

Psalm 10:4 The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not
seek Him. All his thoughts are, "There is no God."
Psalm 53:1 For the choir director; according to Mahalath. A Maskil of
David. The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God," They are
corrupt, and have committed abominable injustice; There is no one who
does good.

Psalm 130:3 If You, LORD, should mark iniquities, O Lord, who could
stand?

Romans 3:10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
(NASB ©1995)

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt,
they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

1-3 David describes a natural man 4-6 He convinces the wicked by the
light of their conscience 7 He glories in the salvation of God

fool Ps 73:3 92:6 106:17 1Sa 25:25 Pr 1:7,22 13:19 27:22 Lu 12:20

no Ps 10:4 52:1-6 Job 22:13 Ro 1:28 Eph 2:12

They are Ps 36:1-4 94:4-8 Ge 6:5,11,12 Isa 1:4

abominable Job 15:16 Mt 12:34 15:19 Joh 3:19,20 Ro 1:21 Tit 1:16 3:3
Re 21:8

there Ro 3:10-12 Eph 2:1-3

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Lee
2009-01-25 01:04:45 UTC
Post by TM
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For the choir director. A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his
heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have committed
abominable deeds; There is no one who does good.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
King James Bible
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt,
they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
American King James Version
The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt,
they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.
American Standard Version
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt,
they have done abominable works; There is none that doeth good.
And it turns out that in fact contrary to what ancient people believed we
think with our brains not our hearts which turn out to be muscles for
pumping blood around the body.
Whoever wrote that was not all that smart was he/she/it? If the author could
not get that bit of basic human physiology correct it would seem indeed
foolish to believe their god myths either.
raven1
2009-01-25 01:32:55 UTC
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:36:55 -0500, TM <***@live.com> wrote:

If even a fool can figure out that there's no God, what's *your*
problem?
Post by TM
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For the choir director. A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his
heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they have committed
abominable deeds; There is no one who does good.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
King James Bible
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt,
they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
American King James Version
The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt,
they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.
American Standard Version
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt,
they have done abominable works; There is none that doeth good.
Bible in Basic English
<To the chief music-maker. Of David.> The foolish man has said in his
heart, God will not do anything. They are unclean, they have done evil
works; there is not one who does good.
Douay-Rheims Bible
There is no God, They are corrupt, and are become abominable in their
ways: there is none that doth good, no not one.
Darby Bible Translation
{To the chief Musician. A Psalm of David.} The fool hath said in his
heart, There is no God. They have corrupted themselves, they have done
abominable works: there is none that doeth good.
English Revised Version
For the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his
heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable
works; there is none that doeth good.
Webster's Bible Translation
To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his
heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable
works, there is none that doeth good.
World English Bible
The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt.
They have done abominable works. There is none who does good.
Young's Literal Translation
To the Overseer. -- By David. A fool hath said in his heart, 'God is
not;' They have done corruptly, They have done abominable actions,
There is not a doer of good.
Geneva Study Bible
<A Psalm of David.>> The fool hath said in his heart, {a} There is no
God. They are {b} corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is
none that doeth good.
(a) He shows that the cause of all wickedness if forgetting God.
(b) There is nothing but disorder and wickedness among them.
Wesley's Notes
14:1 The fool - The wicked man. Good - That is, actions really good or
pleasing to God.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
PSALM 14
Ps 14:1-7. The practical atheism and total and universal depravity of
the wicked, with their hatred to the good, are set forth. Yet, as they
dread God's judgments when He vindicates His people, the Psalmist
prays for His delivering power.
1. Sinners are termed "fools," because they think and act contrary to
right reason (Ge 34:7; Jos 7:15; Ps 39:8; 74:18, 22).
in his heart-to himself (Ge 6:12).
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
14:1-7 A description of the depravity of human nature, and the
deplorable corruption of a great part of mankind. - The fool hath said
in his heart, There is no God. The sinner here described is an
atheist, one that saith there is no Judge or Governor of the world, no
Providence ruling over the affairs of men. He says this in his heart.
He cannot satisfy himself that there is none, but wishes there were
none, and pleases himself that it is possible there may be none; he is
willing to think there is none. This sinner is a fool; he is simple
and unwise, and this is evidence of it: he is wicked and profane, and
this is the cause. The word of God is a discerner of these thoughts.
No man will say, There is no God, till he is so hardened in sin, that
it is become his interest that there should be none to call him to an
account. The disease of sin has infected the whole race of mankind.
They are all gone aside, there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Whatever good is in any of the children of men, or is done by them, it
is not of themselves, it is God's work in them. They are gone aside
from the right way of their duty, the way that leads to happiness, and
are turned into the paths of the destroyer. Let us lament the
corruption of our nature, and see what need we have of the grace of
God: let us not marvel that we are told we must be born again. And we
must not rest in any thing short of union with Christ, and a new
creation to holiness by his Spirit. The psalmist endeavours to
convince sinners of the evil and danger of their way, while they think
themselves very wise, and good, and safe. Their wickedness is
described. Those that care not for God's people, for God's poor, care
not for God himself. People run into all manner of wickedness, because
they do not call upon God for his grace. What good can be expected
from those that live without prayer? But those that will not fear God,
may be made to fear at the shaking of a leaf. All our knowledge of the
depravity of human nature should endear to us salvation out of Zion.
But in heaven alone shall the whole company of the redeemed rejoice
fully, and for evermore. The world is bad; oh that the Messiah would
come and change its character! There is universal corruption; oh for
the times of reformation! The triumphs of Zion's King will be the joys
of Zion's children. The second coming of Christ, finally to do away
the dominion of sin and Satan, will be the completing of this
salvation, which is the hope, and will be the joy of every Israelite
indeed. With this assurance we should comfort ourselves and one
another, under the sins of sinners and sufferings of saints.
Abominable Abominably Chief Choirmaster Committed Corrupt Corrupted
Corruptly David Dealt Deeds Director Fool Foolish Good Heart Leader
Music Musician Music-Maker Psalm Themselves Unclean Vile Works
Abominable Abominably Chief Choirmaster Committed Corrupt Corrupted
Corruptly David Dealt Deeds Director Fool Foolish Good Heart Leader
Music Musician Music-Maker Psalm Themselves Unclean Vile Works
Abominable Abominably Actions Anything Chief Choirmaster Committed
Corrupt Corrupted Corruptly David Dealt Deeds Doer Evil Fool Foolish
Gt Heart Leader Lt Music Musician Music-maker None Overseer Psalm Says
Themselves Unclean Vile Works
Psalm 10:4 The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not
seek Him. All his thoughts are, "There is no God."
Psalm 53:1 For the choir director; according to Mahalath. A Maskil of
David. The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God," They are
corrupt, and have committed abominable injustice; There is no one who
does good.
Psalm 130:3 If You, LORD, should mark iniquities, O Lord, who could
stand?
Romans 3:10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
(NASB ©1995)
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt,
they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
1-3 David describes a natural man 4-6 He convinces the wicked by the
light of their conscience 7 He glories in the salvation of God
fool Ps 73:3 92:6 106:17 1Sa 25:25 Pr 1:7,22 13:19 27:22 Lu 12:20
no Ps 10:4 52:1-6 Job 22:13 Ro 1:28 Eph 2:12
They are Ps 36:1-4 94:4-8 Ge 6:5,11,12 Isa 1:4
abominable Job 15:16 Mt 12:34 15:19 Joh 3:19,20 Ro 1:21 Tit 1:16 3:3
Re 21:8
there Ro 3:10-12 Eph 2:1-3
Bible Gateway: Psalms Chapter 14 Verse 1 NIV ESV NKJV NLT KJV Message
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Alphabetical: abominable are committed corrupt David deeds director
does fool For God good has have heart his in is music no of one said
says the their There They vile who
New American Standard Bible Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971,
1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation, La Habra,
Calif. All rights reserved. For Permission to Quote Information visit
http://www.lockman.org.
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Nations. All rights reserved.
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Mr. B
2009-01-25 01:53:01 UTC
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
Wow, what a sad outlook on the world, to think that a person cannot do good
without believing that God exists. Do you really have such little faith in
humanity that you think that people must believe in the Christian God in
order to do what is right?

Or perhaps when you said, "They do disgusting things," you really meant,
"Anything that is not perfectly aligned with fundamentalist Christian
ideology is disgusting."

-- B
fasgnadh
2009-01-25 02:23:24 UTC
Post by Mr. B
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
-Vladimir I. Lenin

“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
- V.I. Lenin

"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" - Stalin
- E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940

But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;

The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[

“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper

“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)

"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853

"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"

"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian
concentration camp was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea"

John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
Post by Mr. B
Wow, what a sad outlook on the world,
It's important to face facts and not ignore the evidence..
EVERY Atheist regime, has been a violent tyranny, it's more than
a co-incidence!


"State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
by a government, typically by active suppression of
religious freedom and practice."
- "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
Characteristics and Consequences,
David Kowalewski,
Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,


"An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia’s Buddhist religion:
monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
other religious sentiments were often killed.
...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
instead of the family.
About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
- http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html

The Cambodian Genocide:
Loading Image...


"The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
regarded by the regime as social parasites,
were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
were often killed.

The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
Phnom Penh was completely razed.

The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
- http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm

"Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
because of their religion."

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"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853


"State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
- Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
Wolak, Arthur J. p 104


In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
intrinsic part of communist ideology.

...
Post by Mr. B
Or perhaps when you said, "They do disgusting things," you really meant,
"Anything that is not perfectly aligned with fundamentalist Christian
ideology is disgusting."
No, they did disgusting things in anyone's language.

Only Atheists ignore the obscenity o over 40,000,000 victims

---------


British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs

MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
Olrik
2009-01-25 04:20:45 UTC
<snip>

Do you really think anyone here in a.a. is reading your copy & paste
garbage?

O.
fasgnadh
2009-01-25 15:31:30 UTC
Post by Olrik
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Mr. B
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
-Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
- V.I. Lenin
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" - Stalin
- E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian
concentration camp was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea"
John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
Post by Mr. B
Wow, what a sad outlook on the world,
It's important to face facts and not ignore the evidence..
EVERY Atheist regime, has been a violent tyranny, it's more than
a co-incidence!
"State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
by a government, typically by active suppression of
religious freedom and practice."
Characteristics and Consequences,
David Kowalewski,
Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
other religious sentiments were often killed.
...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
instead of the family.
About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
- http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
"The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
regarded by the regime as social parasites,
were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
were often killed.
The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
Phnom Penh was completely razed.
The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
- http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
"Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
because of their religion."
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
- Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
intrinsic part of communist ideology.
...
Post by Mr. B
Or perhaps when you said, "They do disgusting things," you really meant,
"Anything that is not perfectly aligned with fundamentalist Christian
ideology is disgusting."
No, they did disgusting things in anyone's language.
Only Atheists ignore the obscenity o over 40,000,000 victims
Do you really think anyone here in a.a. is reading your copy & paste
garbage?
O.
Sorry, I'd love to stop and chat, but i have to go and reply to the
other people who read my post, and responded, but unlike you,
actually had something to say! B^D

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHHAAHAAAA!


---------


British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs

MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
z***@yahooonspam.com
2009-01-25 05:22:58 UTC
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
-Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
- V.I. Lenin
...and? Atheism was part of communism... do you think that means that
communism is part of atheism? If you say yes, it's time for more logic
classes for you. And do try to pay attention this time.

And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god, it was because a god would be a competitor with the
state for the hearts and minds of the people. Couldn't have that.
--
zamboni30000 AA#2139

"There are none more ignorant and useless, than they that seek answers on their knees, with their eyes closed."
Syd M.
2009-01-25 07:29:52 UTC
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
    -Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
    - V.I. Lenin
...and? Atheism was part of communism... do you think that means that
communism is part of atheism?
That's precisely what he thinks. And that since it is, we're all
communists, and are out to take over the government and enforce a
brutal regime.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god, it was because a god would be a competitor with the
state for the hearts and minds of the people. Couldn't have that.
He won't hear you.

PDW
fasgnadh
2009-01-25 16:01:25 UTC
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Mr. B
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
-Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
- V.I. Lenin
...and? Atheism was part of communism...
That's excellent, you are one of the first to admit it! B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?

I deal in the facts, such as EVERY communist party member had
to be an Atheist.. and thus, as Lenin says, Atheism is the
natural and inseparable part of Communism, and their program
necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.

We have all seen the results, although you, like all the other
Atheist Holocaust deniers, snip the details as if you think
that makes the evidence go away! B^p

From a pointless irrelevance you descend into pure incoherence;

##Start nominated Text
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,
##End nominated text

Do you read the drivel you post?

"Communists didn't want Atheism"?????? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA

You HAD to be an atheist to be a Party Member! Every Communist WAS
an atheist.. and look at all the torture, terror and death they were
responsible for!!!

And even more bizarre they "didn't want atheism because they
didn't want to believe in God"??!??? don't you realise
that it's Theists who believe in God, not Atheists!

You are a real kook! B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
it was because a god would be a competitor with the
state for the hearts and minds of the people. Couldn't have that.
Of course not, God would win, and He did! B^D

Because as history shows, Atheist regimes broke peoples hearts,
and they could not wait to get rid of the Atheist regime and give
their hearts to something meaningful and good.
Post by Syd M.
He won't hear you.
Clearly I hear him better than you.. B^)

You didn't even READ what he said, did you, because it's pure gibberish!
Look at it again and see if you can work out "What is Wrong with
this incoherent drivel" ? and then feel embarrassed that you praised
it and claimed *I* wasn't listening; B^D


"And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god, "

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

You dishonest fuckwits would applaud ANYTHING to take a shot
at me, and look at the complete DOGSHIT you have both been caught
spewing, and swallowing, and spewing again!

I think you BOTH should be jointly nominated..

A pair of total fuckwits!
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" - Stalin
- E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian
concentration camp was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea"
John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
Post by Mr. B
Wow, what a sad outlook on the world,
It's important to face facts and not ignore the evidence..
EVERY Atheist regime, has been a violent tyranny, it's more than
a co-incidence!
"State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
by a government, typically by active suppression of
religious freedom and practice."
Characteristics and Consequences,
David Kowalewski,
Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
other religious sentiments were often killed.
...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
instead of the family.
About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
- http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
"The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
regarded by the regime as social parasites,
were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
were often killed.
The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
Phnom Penh was completely razed.
The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
- http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
"Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
because of their religion."
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
- Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
intrinsic part of communist ideology.
...
Post by Mr. B
Or perhaps when you said, "They do disgusting things," you really meant,
"Anything that is not perfectly aligned with fundamentalist Christian
ideology is disgusting."
No, they did disgusting things in anyone's language.
Only Atheists ignore the obscenity o over 40,000,000 victims
--
---------


British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs

MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
Syd M.
2009-01-25 18:17:51 UTC
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
    -Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
    - V.I. Lenin
...and? Atheism was part of communism...
  That's excellent, you are one of the first to admit it!  B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
  It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?
  I deal in the facts, such as EVERY communist party member had
  to be an Atheist..
No.
  We have all seen the results, although you, like all the other
  Atheist Holocaust deniers, snip the details as if you think
  that makes the evidence go away!  B^p
  From a pointless irrelevance you descend into pure incoherence;
##Start nominated Text
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,
##End nominated text
  Do you read the drivel you post?
  "Communists didn't want Atheism"??????  BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
  You HAD to be an atheist to be a Party Member!   Every Communist WAS
  an atheist.. and look at all the torture, terror and death they were
  responsible for!!!
  And even more bizarre they "didn't want atheism because they
  didn't want to believe in God"??!???   don't you realise
  that it's Theists who believe in God, not Atheists!
  You are a real kook!   B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
it was because a god would be a competitor with the
state for the hearts and minds of the people. Couldn't have that.
Of course not, God would win, and He did!   B^D
Because as history shows, Atheist regimes broke peoples hearts,
and they could not wait to get rid of the Atheist regime and give
their hearts to something meaningful and good.
Post by Syd M.
He won't hear you.
Clearly I hear him better than you.. B^)
No.
You don't hear anything but the voice that tells you to post a huge
amount of meanigless text to AA that shows to the world that you know
nothing about atheist, and if fact are proud of that ignorance.

<Snip usual drivel>

PDW
fasgnadh
2009-01-26 04:01:13 UTC
Post by Syd M.
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Mr. B
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
-Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
- V.I. Lenin
...and? Atheism was part of communism...
That's excellent, you are one of the first to admit it! B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?
I deal in the facts, such as EVERY communist party member had
to be an Atheist..
We have all seen the results, although you, like all the other
Atheist Holocaust deniers, snip the details as if you think
that makes the evidence go away! B^p
From a pointless irrelevance you descend into pure incoherence;
##Start nominated Text
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,
##End nominated text
Do you read the drivel you post?
Neither does Syd Moron, and he can't explain that incredible shite
either.. and yet, in the Great Tradition of Pravda, he is committed
to believing whatever the Borg Collective tells him to believe, at the
moment! B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by fasgnadh
"Communists didn't want Atheism"?????? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
You HAD to be an atheist to be a Party Member! Every Communist WAS
an atheist.. and look at all the torture, terror and death they were
responsible for!!!
And even more bizarre they "didn't want atheism because they
didn't want to believe in God"??!??? don't you realise
that it's Theists who believe in God, not Atheists!
You are a real kook! B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
it was because a god would be a competitor with the
state for the hearts and minds of the people. Couldn't have that.
Of course not, God would win, and He did! B^D
Because as history shows, Atheist regimes broke peoples hearts,
and they could not wait to get rid of the Atheist regime and give
their hearts to something meaningful and good.
Post by Syd M.
He won't hear you.
Clearly I hear him better than you.. B^)
No.
Sure I do, I have proven it by demonstrating the logical flaws in
his gibberish, while you merely acted as if you understood that
blathering drivel, but suddenly you can't explain it!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAAA

See that petard, over yon? You and your cult buddy are hoist on it!

Try to be a little more animated in your flapping and squirming! B^D
Post by Syd M.
You don't hear anything but the voice that tells you to post
Now we have an atheist who BELIEVES he can hear VOICES!! B^D

IN OTHER PEOPLES HEADS!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA

WHERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE, you crazy fucking LUNATIC! B^D

what's you next plan, Moron?
Post by Syd M.
a huge amount of meanigless text to AA
situation normal for you, eh?

You do know that everyone can see you are dumber than dogshit, don't you
Post by Syd M.
and if fact are proud of that ignorance.
You have mispelled 'in' fact

Can't you do ANYTHING right? B^D

Another example of Atheist Evidence Avoidance, you snip all the facts
Post by Syd M.
Post by fasgnadh
You didn't even READ what he said, did you, because it's pure gibberish!
Look at it again and see if you can work out "What is Wrong with
this incoherent drivel" ? and then feel embarrassed that you praised
it and claimed *I* wasn't listening; B^D
You couldn't, ccould you !? Because you are FULL OF SHIT! B^]
Post by Syd M.
Post by fasgnadh
"And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god, "
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!
You dishonest fuckwits would applaud ANYTHING to take a shot
at me, and look at the complete DOGSHIT you have both been caught
spewing, and swallowing, and spewing again!
I think you BOTH should be jointly nominated..
A pair of total fuckwits!
Do you get together and co-ordinate your fuckwittery,
or are you just naturals at it? B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" - Stalin
- E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian
concentration camp was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea"
John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
Post by Mr. B
Wow, what a sad outlook on the world,
It's important to face facts and not ignore the evidence..
EVERY Atheist regime, has been a violent tyranny, it's more than
a co-incidence!
"State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
by a government, typically by active suppression of
religious freedom and practice."
Characteristics and Consequences,
David Kowalewski,
Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
other religious sentiments were often killed.
...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
instead of the family.
About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
- http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
"The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
regarded by the regime as social parasites,
were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
were often killed.
The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
Phnom Penh was completely razed.
The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
- http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
"Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
because of their religion."
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
- Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
intrinsic part of communist ideology.
...
Post by Mr. B
Or perhaps when you said, "They do disgusting things," you really meant,
"Anything that is not perfectly aligned with fundamentalist Christian
ideology is disgusting."
No, they did disgusting things in anyone's language.
Only Atheists ignore the obscenity o over 40,000,000 victims
---------


British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs

MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
Syd
2009-01-26 05:29:42 UTC
Post by fasgnadh
 >
Believes what, asshole? That your a troll?
You bet your ass there, troll.
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
    -Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
    - V.I. Lenin
...and? Atheism was part of communism...
  That's excellent, you are one of the first to admit it!  B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
  It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?
  I deal in the facts, such as EVERY communist party member had
  to be an Atheist..
  We have all seen the results, although you, like all the other
  Atheist Holocaust deniers, snip the details as if you think
  that makes the evidence go away!  B^p
  From a pointless irrelevance you descend into pure incoherence;
##Start nominated Text
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,
##End nominated text
  Do you read the drivel you post?
Neither does Syd Moron, and he can't explain that incredible shite
either..  and yet, in the Great Tradition of Pravda, he is committed
to believing whatever the Borg Collective tells him to believe, at the
moment!  B^D
Your still wrong, asshole.
Post by fasgnadh
  "Communists didn't want Atheism"??????  BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
  You HAD to be an atheist to be a Party Member!   Every Communist WAS
  an atheist.. and look at all the torture, terror and death they were
  responsible for!!!
  And even more bizarre they "didn't want atheism because they
  didn't want to believe in God"??!???   don't you realise
  that it's Theists who believe in God, not Atheists!
  You are a real kook!   B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
it was because a god would be a competitor with the
state for the hearts and minds of the people. Couldn't have that.
Of course not, God would win, and He did!   B^D
Because as history shows, Atheist regimes broke peoples hearts,
and they could not wait to get rid of the Atheist regime and give
their hearts to something meaningful and good.
Post by Syd M.
He won't hear you.
Clearly I hear him better than you.. B^)
No.
Sure I do, I have proven it by demonstrating the logical flaws in
his gibberish,
You have done nothing of the sort. You have posted the same dribble
endlessly.
Post by fasgnadh
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAAA
Laugh it up, asshole.
Meanwhile, we'll be over here discussing real matters in a grown up
way that does not include insults, ad hoc, or lies.

<Snip remaining drivel>

PDW
fasgnadh
2009-01-27 09:10:15 UTC
Post by Syd
Believes what,
asshole?
Oh I'm sure you believe in arsehole, you have a 360 degree view of it;

http://www.geocities.com/townsville_taliban/endoscope.html
Post by Syd
You bet your ass
You want to win a Donkey when you already are one??? B^D
Post by Syd
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Syd M.
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
-Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
- V.I. Lenin
...and? Atheism was part of communism...
That's excellent, you are one of the first to admit it! B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?
I deal in the facts, such as EVERY communist party member had
to be an Atheist..
We have all seen the results, although you, like all the other
Atheist Holocaust deniers, snip the details as if you think
that makes the evidence go away! B^p
From a pointless irrelevance you descend into pure incoherence;
##Start nominated Text
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,
##End nominated text
Do you read the drivel you post?
B^D can anyone help these two hapless morons explain that shit??? B^D
Post by Syd
Post by fasgnadh
Neither does Syd Moron, and he can't explain that incredible shite
either..
Your still wrong,
don't see your explanation, liar! B^D

Q.E.D.
Post by Syd
Post by fasgnadh
and yet, in the Great Tradition of Pravda, he is committed
to believing whatever the Borg Collective tells him to
believe, at the moment! B^D
asshole.
no thanks yours looks too well reamed and pox ridden,
and I'm straight,

I will polish my boot on it though!

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Look, I know you dimwits have nothing left but to exchange witless ad
hom, you can't address the argument, you can't explain what you claimed
to understand, and you have been caught lying, red handed.

You have been eviscerated. B^]
Post by Syd
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Syd M.
Post by fasgnadh
"Communists didn't want Atheism"?????? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
You HAD to be an atheist to be a Party Member! Every Communist WAS
an atheist.. and look at all the torture, terror and death they were
responsible for!!!
And even more bizarre they "didn't want atheism because they
didn't want to believe in God"??!??? don't you realise
that it's Theists who believe in God, not Atheists!
You are a real kook! B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
it was because a god would be a competitor with the
state for the hearts and minds of the people. Couldn't have that.
Of course not, God would win, and He did! B^D
Because as history shows, Atheist regimes broke peoples hearts,
and they could not wait to get rid of the Atheist regime and give
their hearts to something meaningful and good.
Post by Syd M.
He won't hear you.
Clearly I hear him better than you.. B^)
No.
Sure I do, I have proven it by demonstrating the logical flaws in
his gibberish, while you merely acted as if you understood that
blathering drivel, but suddenly you can't explain it!
You have done nothing of the sort.
I pointed out this utter gibberish, completely illogical,
and neither you, nor the other cretin, can make any sense of it!


##Start nominated Text
"And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,"
##End nominated text

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA

Game Set Match!
Post by Syd
You have posted the same dribble endlessly.
I have to quote his drivel so that people can vote on it!!!

And as evidence of his stupidity in writing it, and yours
in pretending you understood it and lying that I didn't! B^)

And to show folks what a clueless fuckwit you are, at the same time!
Post by Syd
Post by fasgnadh
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAAA
See that petard, over yon? You and your cult buddy are hoist on it!
Try to be a little more animated in your flapping and squirming! B^D
Post by Syd M.
You don't hear anything but the voice that tells you to post
Now we have an atheist who BELIEVES he can hear VOICES!! B^D
IN OTHER PEOPLES HEADS!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAAA
Laugh it
Oh I will

and while I, and Usenet, are laughing at you,
what will you do?
Post by Syd
up, asshole.
Again? Your own or Zamboni's arse, this time? B^D

<Snip remaining drivel>



---------


British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs

MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
Syd M.
2009-01-27 18:44:54 UTC
Post by Syd
Believes what,
What
..I see is a theist with a hysterical hatred for atheists and a poor
understanding of history, logic, or anything else it tries to bore us
with lengthy but empty drible.

PDW

fasgnadh
2009-01-25 15:47:08 UTC
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Mr. B
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
-Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
- V.I. Lenin
...and? Atheism was part of communism...
That's excellent, you are one of the first to admit it! B^D
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?

I deal in the facts, such as EVERY communist party member had
to be an Atheist.. and thus, as Lenin says, Atheism is the
natural and inseparable part of Communism, and their program
necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.

We have all seen the results, although you, like all the other
Atheist Holocaust deniers, snip the details as if you think
that makes the evidence go away! B^p

From a pointless irrelevance you descend into pure incoherence;
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,
Do you read the drivel you post?

"Communists didn't want Atheism"?????? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA

You HAD to be an atheist to be a Party Member! Every Communist WAS
an atheist.. and look at all the torture, terror and death they were
responsible for!!!

And even more bizarre they "didn't want atheism because they
didn't want to believe in God"??!??? don't you realise
that it's Theists who believe in God, not Atheists!

You are a real kook! B^D
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
it was because a god would be a competitor with the
state for the hearts and minds of the people. Couldn't have that.
No, because as history shows, atheist regimes broke peoples hearts,
and they could not wait to get rid of the Atheist regime and give
their hearts to something meaningful and good.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" - Stalin
- E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian
concentration camp was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea"
John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
Post by Mr. B
Wow, what a sad outlook on the world,
It's important to face facts and not ignore the evidence..
EVERY Atheist regime, has been a violent tyranny, it's more than
a co-incidence!
"State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
by a government, typically by active suppression of
religious freedom and practice."
Characteristics and Consequences,
David Kowalewski,
Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
other religious sentiments were often killed.
...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
instead of the family.
About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
- http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
"The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
regarded by the regime as social parasites,
were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
were often killed.
The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
Phnom Penh was completely razed.
The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
- http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
"Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
because of their religion."
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
- Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
intrinsic part of communist ideology.
...
Post by Mr. B
Or perhaps when you said, "They do disgusting things," you really meant,
"Anything that is not perfectly aligned with fundamentalist Christian
ideology is disgusting."
No, they did disgusting things in anyone's language.
Only Atheists ignore the obscenity o over 40,000,000 victims
---------


British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs

MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
raven1
2009-01-25 18:21:30 UTC
Post by fasgnadh
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?
What, exactly, is your argument? First, not all communists are or were
atheists (ever hear of Liberation Theology?), second, even if your
contention was true, it would be irrelevant to whatever point you
think you're trying to make. Communism is an economic system. Lenin
was an atheist who did very bad things in trying to impose it, not
because of his atheism, but for political reasons. How this is somehow
supposed to tar all atheists (most of whom are not communists) is
rather less than clear.
Syd M.
2009-01-25 18:29:26 UTC
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?
What, exactly, is your argument? First, not all communists are or were
atheists (ever hear of Liberation Theology?), second, even if your
contention was true, it would be irrelevant to whatever point you
think you're trying to make. Communism is an economic system. Lenin
was an atheist who did very bad things in trying to impose it, not
because of his atheism, but for political reasons. How this is somehow
supposed to tar all atheists (most of whom are not communists) is
rather less than clear.
Guilt by association.

PDW
raven1
2009-01-26 02:50:28 UTC
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:29:26 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?
What, exactly, is your argument? First, not all communists are or were
atheists (ever hear of Liberation Theology?), second, even if your
contention was true, it would be irrelevant to whatever point you
think you're trying to make. Communism is an economic system. Lenin
was an atheist who did very bad things in trying to impose it, not
because of his atheism, but for political reasons. How this is somehow
supposed to tar all atheists (most of whom are not communists) is
rather less than clear.
Guilt by association.
Which is obviously what he intends, but that's hardly the basis for a
logical argument.
fasgnadh
2009-01-26 04:59:10 UTC
Post by raven1
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:29:26 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
Post by Syd M.
Guilt by association.
Atheist Holocaust deniers rarely feel that,
you are an exception!
Post by raven1
but that's hardly the basis for a logical argument.
Sure, we never expect that from any of you! B^D

---------


British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs

MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
raven1
2009-01-27 06:06:53 UTC
Post by fasgnadh
Post by raven1
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:29:26 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
Post by Syd M.
Guilt by association.
Atheist Holocaust deniers rarely feel that,
you are an exception!
Wow, you really are logically challenged, aren't you?

Should you be held responsible for 9/11 by association? Should 9/11 be
blamed on Islam? Yes or no? No lengthy diatribes, just a simple
affirmative or negative response will suffice. This is a logic class;
rhetoric is down the hall to the left.
Post by fasgnadh
Post by raven1
but that's hardly the basis for a logical argument.
Sure, we never expect that from any of you! B^D
You wouldn't know a logical argument if it bit you on the ass.
fasgnadh
2009-01-26 09:45:12 UTC
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Mr. B
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
-Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
- V.I. Lenin
...and? Atheism was part of communism...
That's excellent, you are one of the first to admit it! B^D
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?
What, exactly, is your argument?
You snip it and then ask what it is?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA

Lets put it back.. it shouldn't be too hard even for irrational
atheist morons to follow, although you will no doubt RUN AWAY
AGAIN, snip it and replace it with another bout of Avoidance
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
I deal in the facts, such as EVERY communist party member had
to be an Atheist.. and thus, as Lenin says, Atheism is the
natural and inseparable part of Communism, and their program
necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.
We have all seen the results, although you, like all the other
Atheist Holocaust deniers, snip the details as if you think
that makes the evidence go away! B^p
My argument doesn't change because it is based on empirical evidence
from history.. whereas from you we get a DIFFERENT line of BS
every post!

As you snip my unchallenged argument, I demolish your latest
try at irrelevant distraction, and bring you back to the facts,
every time!

Now, you are clearly terrified of the truth, because you keep running
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
From a pointless irrelevance you descend into pure incoherence;
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,
So what is YOUR argument??? Completely irrational B.S.!
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Do you read the drivel you post?
"Communists didn't want Atheism"?????? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
You HAD to be an atheist to be a Party Member! Every Communist WAS
an atheist.. and look at all the torture, terror and death they were
responsible for!!!
So you are the one who clearly CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION "What is your
argument?"

I don't snip it and then paraphrase it with meaningless bullshit as
you dishonest moral maggots do.. I rip it to shreds in sutu, so
every sane and rational reader can see what a confused tool you are!
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
And even more bizarre they "didn't want atheism because they
didn't want to believe in God"??!??? don't you realise
that it's Theists who believe in God, not Atheists!?
What does that cretinous crap MEAN??? B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
You are a real kook! B^D
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
it was because a god would be a competitor with the
state for the hearts and minds of the people. Couldn't have that.
No, because as history shows, atheist regimes broke peoples hearts,
and they could not wait to get rid of the Atheist regime and give
their hearts to something meaningful and good.
So that was your last feeble 'riposte' B^D
You have already run away from all the DETAILED facts supporting
my argument below, and have NONE of your own.

You don't understand what is put to you, remove it and then substitute
your confusion, and then proceed to beat up on your latest STRAW MAN,
and feeble minded fuckwits like Syd, a real example of how atheists
can't THINK, let alone conduct a rational argument, come along and
hold your cock for you while you piss on your own straw man! B^D

You fuckers are a JOKE! B^D

Another example of exactly what I'm talking about at the end of this
post.. just scroll by all the evidence you have already conceded
as UNCHALLENGABLE TRUTH! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAA!
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" - Stalin
- E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian
concentration camp was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea"
John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
Post by Mr. B
Wow, what a sad outlook on the world,
It's important to face facts and not ignore the evidence..
EVERY Atheist regime, has been a violent tyranny, it's more than
a co-incidence!
"State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
by a government, typically by active suppression of
religious freedom and practice."
Characteristics and Consequences,
David Kowalewski,
Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
other religious sentiments were often killed.
...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
instead of the family.
About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the
population, were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol
Pot’s regime."
- http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
"The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
regarded by the regime as social parasites,
were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
were often killed.
The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
Phnom Penh was completely razed.
The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
- http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
"Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
because of their religion."
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
- Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
intrinsic part of communist ideology.
...
Post by Mr. B
Or perhaps when you said, "They do disgusting things," you really meant,
"Anything that is not perfectly aligned with fundamentalist Christian
ideology is disgusting."
No, they did disgusting things in anyone's language.
Only Atheists ignore the obscenity of over 40,000,000 victims
So there's the argument ravin' can't find, BECAUSE HE SNIPPED IT! B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
What, exactly, is your argument?
See above, and suck up that humiliation from admitting you
can't read, let alone comprehend!
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
First, not all communists are or were
atheists (ever hear of Liberation Theology?)
That's nice for you, dearie, you have added a claim that not all
COMMUNISTS are nasty atheists.

Too bad my claim is that EVERY COMMUNIST PARTY *MEMBER* in the NAMED
ATHEIST SHITHOLE REGIMES WAS AN ATHEIST!

My first wife was a member of the CPA(ML), and I studied
"Revolutionary Theories and Movements" & "Hegel Marx Marcuse"
under Dr Alistair Davidson, Monash University in the 1960's!
I met many members of the Australian Communist Parties (as
Faction-ridden as Atheism! ;-) during the Anti-Vietnam War movement...
where I was a draft resistor, non-aligned. You can see a number of them
in this photo from that time, including Phillip Adams (ex-Commo ABC
radio journalist) The late Jim Cairns (Whitlam Govt Minister, deputy PM,
and later, purveyor of his books at a small stall, sometimes at Monash)
John Halfpenny..et al and Oh LOOK.. Che was there! B^D

http://www.geocities.com/che_guava_fanclub/images/chevan.jpg

..so please, lecture me some more on your IRRELEVENT DRIVEL! B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
, second, even if your contention was true,
You have admitted you DON"T KNOW MY CONTENTION!
AND ASKED ME WHAT IT IS! B^D

Now, on the basis of an IRRELEVANCE of YOUR INVENTION, as I have just
shown, you declare my UNKNOWN contention to be false.

You wouldn't know a LOGICAL argument if it bit you one the arse..
and i believe on JUST DID!
you declare
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
it would be irrelevant to whatever point you
think you're trying to make.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHHAA

my 'unknown contention would be irrelevant to whatever point I
was trying to make' !?!???


Look, if I i keep eviscerating you weak shit i will get
a reputation of being cruel to 'tards!

Please fuck off and get a clue!

Next Atheist bullshitter, please! B^D
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
Communism is an economic system. Lenin
was an atheist who did very bad things in trying to impose it,
Every attempt to IMPOSE atheism is by definition 'a bad thing'
we call it by what it is; TOTALITARIAN torture, terror, persecution,
expropriation, re-education, FORCED INDOCTRINATION, especially of
CHILDREN and the deaths of 40,000,000 people!!!

Every Communist Party Member carring it out WAS AN ATHEIST, Athseism
WAS an official GOVERNEMNT POLICY, a " natural and inseparable part of
Communism." whose program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
not because of his atheism, but for political reasons.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH!

**LENIN** SAYS OTHERWISE YOU PATHETIC LYING IMBECILE! B^)

Have you heard of Lenin, you ignorant dumfuck Atheist!
Post by Syd M.
Post by raven1
How this is somehow supposed to tar all atheists
Who said it was? Those crimes are the responsibility of
the Atheists who carried them out in the greatest Pogrom
in human history!!

Your role is merely as an apologist and moral shitpig for
the only Atheists in history to actually ACHIEVE SOMETHING..
A set of totalitarian tyrannies!!!

You 'tar yourselves' by your CONSISTENT Atheist Holocaust Denial!!!
Post by Syd M.
Guilt by association.
PDW
What association do you have that makes you feel guilty,
apart from being an Atheist Holocaust Denier?

Atheists are worse that old Commo's for refusing to accept
the crimes committed in their name by Atheist barbarians.

And you are worse than Nazis for trying to pretend none of the
stink affects the way the broad mass of citizens despises your
movement, and is why none of you are electable, people trust
sane, rational believers like Obama instead!

I don't give a fuck if you NEVER see it..any intelligent reader can! B^)


Atheism, a long tradition of lying propaganda;

---------


British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs

MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
Syd
2009-01-26 20:31:21 UTC
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
    -Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
    - V.I. Lenin
 > ...and? Atheism was part of communism...
That's excellent, you are one of the first to admit it!  B^D
 > do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?
What, exactly, is your argument?
  You snip it and then ask what it is?
  BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA
  Lets put it back.. it shouldn't be too hard even for irrational
  atheist morons to follow, although you will no doubt RUN AWAY
  AGAIN, snip it and replace it with another  bout of Avoidance
Post by raven1
I deal in the facts, such as EVERY communist party member had
to be an Atheist.. and thus, as Lenin says, Atheism is the
natural and inseparable part of Communism, and their program
necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.
We have all seen the results, although you, like all the other
Atheist Holocaust deniers, snip the details as if you think
that makes the evidence go away!  B^p
  My argument doesn't change because it is based
On a delusional inference from history and a hysterical hatred of
atheist.

PDW
raven1
2009-01-27 06:17:27 UTC
Post by fasgnadh
Post by raven1
What, exactly, is your argument?
You snip it and then ask what it is?
<snip 384 lines of the same repetitious blather>

Your argument, in classical form, appears to reduce to:

P1: All Communists are atheists
P2: All Communist regimes are bad
C: Atheism is bad.

Am I incorrect in my summary? If that's your argument, you just failed
Logic 101 on at least 4 separate (and blatant) grounds. Try again,
this time without foaming at the mouth, or falling into fallacies as
basic as the above.
fasgnadh
2009-01-26 03:40:44 UTC
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Mr. B
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
-Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
- V.I. Lenin
...and? Atheism was part of communism...
That's excellent, you are one of the first to admit it! B^D
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?
What, exactly, is your argument?
You snip it and then ask what it is?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA

Lets put it back.. it shouldn't be too hard even for irrational
atheist morons to follow, although you will no doubt RUN AWAY
AGAIN, snip it and replace it with another bout of Avoidance
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
I deal in the facts, such as EVERY communist party member had
to be an Atheist.. and thus, as Lenin says, Atheism is the
natural and inseparable part of Communism, and their program
necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.
We have all seen the results, although you, like all the other
Atheist Holocaust deniers, snip the details as if you think
that makes the evidence go away! B^p
My argument doesn't change because it is based on empirical evidence
from history.. whereas from you we get a DIFFERENT line of BS
every post!

As you snip my unchallenged argument, I demolish your latest
try at irrelevant distraction, and bring you back to the facts,
every time!

Now, you are clearly terrified of the truth, because you keep running
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
From a pointless irrelevance you descend into pure incoherence;
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,
So what is YOUR argument??? Completely irrational B.S.!
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Do you read the drivel you post?
"Communists didn't want Atheism"?????? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
You HAD to be an atheist to be a Party Member! Every Communist WAS
an atheist.. and look at all the torture, terror and death they were
responsible for!!!
So you are the one who clearly CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION "What is your
argument?"

I don't snip it and then paraphrase it with meaningless bullshit as
you dishonest moral maggots do.. I rip it to shreds in sutu, so
every sane and rational reader can see what a confused tool you are!
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
And even more bizarre they "didn't want atheism because they
didn't want to believe in God"??!??? don't you realise
that it's Theists who believe in God, not Atheists!?
What does that cretinous crap MEAN??? B^D
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
You are a real kook! B^D
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
it was because a god would be a competitor with the
state for the hearts and minds of the people. Couldn't have that.
No, because as history shows, atheist regimes broke peoples hearts,
and they could not wait to get rid of the Atheist regime and give
their hearts to something meaningful and good.
So that was your last feeble 'riposte' B^D
You have already run away from all the DETAILED facts supporting
my argument below, and have NONE of your own.

You don't understand what is put to you, remove it and then substitute
your confusion, and then proceed to beat up on your latest STRAW MAN,
and feeble minded fuckwits like Syd, a real example of how atheists
can't THINK, let alone conduct a rational argument, come along and
hold your cock for you while you piss on your own straw man! B^D

You fuckers are a JOKE! B^D

Another example of exactly what I'm talking about at the end of this
post.. just scroll by all the evidence you have already conceded
as UNCHALLENGABLE TRUTH! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAA!
Post by raven1
Post by fasgnadh
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" - Stalin
- E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian
concentration camp was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea"
John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
Post by Mr. B
Wow, what a sad outlook on the world,
It's important to face facts and not ignore the evidence..
EVERY Atheist regime, has been a violent tyranny, it's more than
a co-incidence!
"State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
by a government, typically by active suppression of
religious freedom and practice."
Characteristics and Consequences,
David Kowalewski,
Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
other religious sentiments were often killed.
...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
instead of the family.
About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
- http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
"The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
regarded by the regime as social parasites,
were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
were often killed.
The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
Phnom Penh was completely razed.
The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
- http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
"Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
because of their religion."
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
- Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
intrinsic part of communist ideology.
...
Post by Mr. B
Or perhaps when you said, "They do disgusting things," you really meant,
"Anything that is not perfectly aligned with fundamentalist Christian
ideology is disgusting."
No, they did disgusting things in anyone's language.
Only Atheists ignore the obscenity of over 40,000,000 victims
So there's the argument ranin' can't find, BECAUSE HE SNIPPED IT! B^D
Post by raven1
What, exactly, is your argument?
See above, and suck yp that humiliation from admitting you
can't read, let alone comprehend!
Post by raven1
First, not all communists are or were
atheists (ever hear of Liberation Theology?)
That's nice for you, dearie, you have added a claim that not all
COMMUNISTS are nasty atheists.

Too bad my claim is that EVERY COMMUNIST PARTY *MEMBER* in the NAMED
ATHEIST SHITHOLE REGIMES WAS AN ATHEIST!

My first wife was a member of the CPA(ML), and I studied
"Revolutionary Theories and Movements" & "Hegel Marx Marcuse"
under Dr Alistair Davidson, Monash University in the 1960's!
I met many members of the Australian Communist Parties (as
Faction-ridden as Atheism! ;-) during the Anti-Vietnam War movement...
where I was a draft resistor, non-aligned. You can see a number of them
in this photo from that time, including Phillip Adams (ex-Commo ABC
radio journalist) The late Jim Cairns (Whitlam Govt Minister, deputy PM,
and later, purveyor of his books at a small stall, sometimes at Monash)
John Halfpenny..et al and Oh LOOK.. Che was there! B^D

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..so please, lecture me some more on your IRRELEVENT DRIVEL! B^D

, second, even if your contention was true,

You have admitted you DON"T KNOW MY CONTENTION!
AND ASKED ME WHAT IT IS! B^D

Now, on the basis of an IRRELEVANCE of YOUR INVENTION, as I have just
shown, you declare my UNKNOWN contention to be false.

You wouldn't know a LOGICAL argument if it bit you one the arse..
and i believe on JUST DID!
you declare
Post by raven1
it would be irrelevant to whatever point you
think you're trying to make.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHHAA

my 'unknown contention would be irrelevant to whatever point I
was trying to make' !?!???


Look, if I i keep eviscerating you weak shit i will get
a reputation of being cruel to 'tards!

Please fuck off and get a clue!

Next Atheist bullshitter, please! B^D
Post by raven1
Communism is an economic system. Lenin
was an atheist who did very bad things in trying to impose it,
Every attempt to IMPOSE atheism is by definition 'a bad thing'
we call it by what it is; TOTALITARIAN torture, terror, persecution,
expropriation, re-education, FORCED INDOCTRINATION, especially of
CHILDREN and the deaths of 40,000,000 people!!!

Every Communist Party Member carring it out WAS AN ATHEIST, Athseism
WAS an official GOVERNEMNT POLICY, a " natural and inseparable part of
Communism." whose program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
Post by raven1
not because of his atheism, but for political reasons.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH!

**LENIN** SAYS OTHERWISE YOU PATHETIC LYING IMBECILE! B^)

Have you heard of Lenin, you ignorant dumfuck Atheist!
Post by raven1
How this is somehow supposed to tar all atheists
Who said it was? Those crimes are the responsibility of
the Atheists who carried them out in the greatest Pogrom
in human history!!

Your role is merely as an apologist and moral shitpig for
the only Atheists in history to actually ACHIEVE SOMETHING..
A set of totalitarian tyrannies!!!


You 'tar yourselves' by your CONSISTENT Atheist Holocaust Denial!!!

Atheists are worse that old Commo's for refusing to accept
the crimes committed in their name by Atheist barbarians.

And you are worse than Nazis for trying to pretend none of the
stink affects the way the broad mass of citizens despises your
movement, and is why none of you are electable, people trust
sane, rational believers like Obama instead!

I don't give a fuck if you NEVER see it..any intelligent reader can! B^)


Atheism, a long tradition of lying propaganda;

---------


British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs

MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
Bill M
2009-01-25 15:39:27 UTC
Learn some logic. Communists may be atheists but atheists are not
necessarily communists.

I am a believer in Democracy and I am also an atheist.

Get an education.
Post by fasgnadh
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by Mr. B
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
-Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
- V.I. Lenin
...and? Atheism was part of communism...
That's excellent, you are one of the first to admit it! B^D
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?
I deal in the facts, such as EVERY communist party member had
to be an Atheist.. and thus, as Lenin says, Atheism is the
natural and inseparable part of Communism, and their program
necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.
We have all seen the results, although you, like all the other
Atheist Holocaust deniers, snip the details as if you think
that makes the evidence go away! B^p
From a pointless irrelevance you descend into pure incoherence;
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,
Do you read the drivel you post?
"Communists didn't want Atheism"?????? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
You HAD to be an atheist to be a Party Member! Every Communist WAS
an atheist.. and look at all the torture, terror and death they were
responsible for!!!
And even more bizarre they "didn't want atheism because they
didn't want to believe in God"??!??? don't you realise
that it's Theists who believe in God, not Atheists!
You are a real kook! B^D
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
it was because a god would be a competitor with the
state for the hearts and minds of the people. Couldn't have that.
No, because as history shows, atheist regimes broke peoples hearts,
and they could not wait to get rid of the Atheist regime and give
their hearts to something meaningful and good.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" - Stalin
- E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian
concentration camp was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea"
John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
Post by Mr. B
Wow, what a sad outlook on the world,
It's important to face facts and not ignore the evidence..
EVERY Atheist regime, has been a violent tyranny, it's more than
a co-incidence!
"State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
by a government, typically by active suppression of
religious freedom and practice."
Characteristics and Consequences,
David Kowalewski,
Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
other religious sentiments were often killed.
...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
instead of the family.
About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
- http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
"The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
regarded by the regime as social parasites,
were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
were often killed.
The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
Phnom Penh was completely razed.
The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
- http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
"Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
because of their religion."
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
- Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
intrinsic part of communist ideology.
...
Post by Mr. B
Or perhaps when you said, "They do disgusting things," you really meant,
"Anything that is not perfectly aligned with fundamentalist Christian
ideology is disgusting."
No, they did disgusting things in anyone's language.
Only Atheists ignore the obscenity o over 40,000,000 victims
---------
British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs
MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm
An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA
"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
fasgnadh
2009-01-26 04:46:11 UTC
Post by Bill M
Post by fasgnadh
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Mr. B
Post by TM
[For the choir director; by David.] Godless fools say in their hearts,
"There is no God." They are corrupt. They do disgusting things. There
is no one who does good things.
“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.”
-Vladimir I. Lenin
“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.”
- V.I. Lenin
Those are called facts. No one has disputed them

They become ACCEPTED facts!

The way to refute them, if they are wrong, is about HERE:
[ You place a factual or logical refutation ]

Factual means you have conflicting Evidence, logical means
you can show an internal contradiction or a fallacy.

You don't go to the bottom of the post, or SNIP it all
and declare "WRONG!" or "NO" or "Learn some Logic,
that which is inseparable may be natural, but not
all that is natural is inseparable"

because that is IRRELEVANT to the point (and thus
whether it is true or not is also irrelevant!
Post by Bill M
Post by fasgnadh
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
...and? Atheism was part of communism...
This atheist has undestood the facts and the conclusion
to be logically drawn from them!

It also is unchallenged by ANY of the subsequent gum flappers!
Post by Bill M
Post by fasgnadh
That's excellent, you are one of the first to admit it! B^D
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
do you think that means that communism is part of atheism?
It's not relevant to my argument, so who cares?
Atheists, who seem to have a proclivity for SOPHISTRY and OBSCURE
semantic quibbles, especially when the FACTS ands the LOGICAL
CONCLUSIONS are AGAINST THEM, resort to this sort of irrelevant
semantic IRRELEVANCE.
Post by Bill M
Post by fasgnadh
I deal in the facts, such as EVERY communist party member had
to be an Atheist.. and thus, as Lenin says, Atheism is the
natural and inseparable part of Communism, and their program
necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.
Does every one understand the facts AND the argument so far.

Every Atheist regime in History has been a tyranny.

When we examine them we find their leaders, their Party, their
government and their policies are all Atheist...

There is no claim that Every atheist ever to have lived was
a member of these Atheist tyrannies, clearly theri numbrers
have declined since the Great Aehist Holocausts of the 20th Century,
and they have all pulled their heads in, like neo -Nazi holocaust
deniers lest descendents of their victims seek irrational vengeance.

And like Nazi Holocaust deniers, they profess to be reformed,
although they are compeletely incapable of honestly confronting
the Atheist Holocaust. Dave Irving, for example screams loudly that
he is a Democrat, stands on Democratic freedoms and Rights, which he
uses loudly to defend his denial! Not at all like the real Nazis!?!!

He cuts his cloth to suit the times.
B^]

read on..
Post by Bill M
Post by fasgnadh
We have all seen the results, although you, like all the other
Atheist Holocaust deniers, snip the details as if you think
that makes the evidence go away! B^p
From a pointless irrelevance you descend into pure incoherence;
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,
Do you read the drivel you post?
What do the Atheists mean by that drivel!?

None can say. INCOHERENT Belief systems do not withstand
CRITICAL ANALYSIS!

In my view his drivel is just DISTRACTION, which is why I
always return to those UNCHALLENGED FACTUAL STATEMENTS I HAVE MADE,
and the clear logical conclusions to be drawn from EVERY ATHEIST
REGIME HAS BEEN A BRUTAL TYRANNY!
Post by Bill M
Post by fasgnadh
"Communists didn't want Atheism"?????? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
You HAD to be an atheist to be a Party Member! Every Communist WAS
an atheist.. and look at all the torture, terror and death they were
responsible for!!!
And even more bizarre they "didn't want atheism because they
didn't want to believe in God"??!??? don't you realise
that it's Theists who believe in God, not Atheists!
You are a real kook! B^D
Learn some logic.
I have just demonstrated some, none of you seem able to follow it! B^]

"And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,

You claim that gibberish is 'logic' and *I* need to learn it?

OK Brainiac, explain what it MEANS .. in YOUR 'logic': {snicker}

"And the communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god,

What the FUCK does that MEAN????????????????????
Post by Bill M
Communists may be atheists but atheists are not
necessarily communists.
"that which is inseparable may be natural, but not
all that is natural is inseparable"
{see Logic and Irrelevance, above ;-]

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAA

Not ten minuts ago one of your fellow CONFUSED CULT members
claimed I couldn't follow HIS LOGIC!

# From: raven1 <***@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Psalm 14.1
# Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:21:30 -0500
# Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>
#
#
# What, exactly, is your argument? First, not all communists are or were
# atheists (ever hear of Liberation Theology?),

"not all communists are or were atheists"
"communists didn't want atheism"
"Communists may be atheists"
" communists didn't want atheism because they didn't want to
believe in a god"
"atheists are not necessarily communists." BWAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA!!!

Hey.. SHUT THE FUCK UP!! WHO FUCKING CARES!??

Your confusion over your own, conflicting CATEGORY ERRORS
are completely IRRELEVANT to my argument!

Get your own thread and have your factional SEMANTIC CONFUSION wars !
or get a room and fuck yourselves MORE STUPID! I don't CARE! B^D

"State atheism is the official promotion of atheism by
a government, typically by active suppression of religious
freedom and practice. State atheism has been mostly
implemented in communist countries, such as the former
Soviet Union,[1] China, Communist Albania, Communist
Afghanistan, North Korea, Communist Mongolia"

Nothing in your semantic confusion touches on my argument!
Post by Bill M
I am a believer in Democracy and I am also an atheist.
So what. Have I accused you of being undemocratic or a theist?
Post by Bill M
Get an education.
Clearly you are too irrational to understand the argument,
and have become abusive instead. A common reaction from Atheists
in this NG.

Now run away from all the facts, again, but this time.. KEEP RUNNING!
Post by Bill M
Post by fasgnadh
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
it was because a god would be a competitor with the
state for the hearts and minds of the people. Couldn't have that.
No, because as history shows, atheist regimes broke peoples hearts,
and they could not wait to get rid of the Atheist regime and give
their hearts to something meaningful and good.
Post by z***@yahooonspam.com
Post by fasgnadh
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" - Stalin
- E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
But it was not just the Atheism of the leadership,
but of the entire State apparatus;
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the red Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.
In 1922, the Solovki Camp of Special Purpose, the first Russian
concentration camp was established in the Solovki Islands in the White Sea"
John Shelton Curtis, The Russian Church and the Soviet State
(Boston: Little Brown, 1953)
Post by Mr. B
Wow, what a sad outlook on the world,
It's important to face facts and not ignore the evidence..
EVERY Atheist regime, has been a violent tyranny, it's more than
a co-incidence!
"State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
by a government, typically by active suppression of
religious freedom and practice."
Characteristics and Consequences,
David Kowalewski,
Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
other religious sentiments were often killed.
...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
instead of the family.
About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
- http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
"The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
regarded by the regime as social parasites,
were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
were often killed.
The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
Phnom Penh was completely razed.
The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
- http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
"Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
because of their religion."
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
- Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
intrinsic part of communist ideology.
...
Post by Mr. B
Or perhaps when you said, "They do disgusting things," you really meant,
"Anything that is not perfectly aligned with fundamentalist Christian
ideology is disgusting."
No, they did disgusting things in anyone's language.
Only Atheists ignore the obscenity o over 40,000,000 victims
---------
British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs
MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm
An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA
"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
--
---------


British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs

MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
Syd
2009-01-26 05:26:42 UTC
Post by Bill M
Learn some logic. Communists may be atheists but atheists are not
necessarily communists.
He's been told that, ad nauseoum. But, he just turns around and
reposts his 'theory' anyway.
Post by Bill M
I am a believer in Democracy and I am also an atheist.
Get an education.
Too late. Besides, they have to want to learn.

PDW
Mark K Bilbo
2009-01-25 02:22:16 UTC
Post by TM
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Boy are you in the wrong room...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
fasgnadh
2009-01-25 04:14:19 UTC
Post by Mark K Bilbo
Post by TM
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Boy are you in the wrong room...
You aren't part of the New Amrica?

You are below standard?

and you can't read?


---------


British Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) finding on Atheist Beliefs

MERE OPINIONS - CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7842769.stm

An atheist UK bus campaign which uses the slogan
"There's probably no God, So Don't Worry, Be Happy"
has been found by the Advertising Standards Authority
to be OPINIONS which cannot be objectively substantiated!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

"the ASA ruled the adverts were an expression of the advertiser's
opinion and that the claims in it were not capable of objective
substantiation."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
Mark K Bilbo
2009-01-25 12:50:29 UTC
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Mark K Bilbo
Post by TM
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Boy are you in the wrong room...
You aren't part of the New Amrica?
You are below standard?
and you can't read?
That is either a very, very lame attempt at being funny or one hell of an
admission of ignorance.

(BTW, NASB was my preferred translation in my Xtian days, I still have
mine)
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
Cary Kittrell
2009-01-26 17:47:45 UTC
Post by Mark K Bilbo
Post by fasgnadh
Post by Mark K Bilbo
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Boy are you in the wrong room...
You aren't part of the New Amrica?
You are below standard?
and you can't read?
That is either a very, very lame attempt at being funny or one hell of an
admission of ignorance.
(BTW, NASB was my preferred translation in my Xtian days, I still have
mine)
The King James is still mine.

(but then I sometimes watch Shakespeare for fun, so go figger...)


-- cary
Post by Mark K Bilbo
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards,
witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling
from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical,
absurd and primitive stories, and you say that *we* are the
ones that need help?" - Jon Stoll
Uncle Vic
2009-01-25 03:31:59 UTC
Post by TM
The fool has said in his
heart, "There is no God."
If a fool can figure it out, what's your problem?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack.
Syd M.
2009-01-25 07:26:30 UTC
Post by TM
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For the choir director. A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his
heart, "There is no God."
No, the fool in his heart says "There has to be a God. I don't want to
die."

<Snip endless repetitions of this lie>

PDW
Vipera berus
2009-01-25 11:44:42 UTC
Lolcat Bible Psalm 14

1 Short bus kittehs sez "No Ceiling Cat!"
Theyz bad.

2 Ceiling Cat watches you masturbate,
and iz like, do u getz it?

3 Theyz still bad

4 Dont thoze bad guyz
who eat teh kittehs like cheezburgers
reeulize that Ceiling Cat TOTALY RULEZ?!!

5 Ceiling Cat likez us better

6 We hidez under Ceiling Cat,
cuz hes like, really big.

7 When Ceiling Cat bring back teh kittehs,
that Jacob dood will be preety happi,
and Izrael is all liek, "Way cool!"
John Locke
2009-01-25 20:40:00 UTC
Post by TM
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For the choir director. A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his
heart, "There is no God."
..pretty smart "fool".
Post by TM
snip the rhetoric<
___________________________________________________

"The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those
who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find
compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others."

Bertrand Russell (1872-1970), British philosopher.