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aa: Traditions on Good (sic) Friday/Passover
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Kevrob
2018-03-30 14:04:09 UTC
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.

I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.

If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?

One can hope.

Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!

The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.

Kevin R
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2018-03-30 14:09:49 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
You're always trying to get rid of me. Why do I terrify you so much?
Kevrob
2018-03-30 14:15:05 UTC
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You're always trying to get rid of me. Why do I terrify you so much?
It's not fear: it's disgust, at least when you are in Troll Mode.

I'm opposed to anyone who posts here in a manner contrary to the
FAQ and group charter, not just you.

Kevin R
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2018-03-30 16:40:22 UTC
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You're always trying to get rid of me. Why do I terrify you so much?
It's not fear: it's disgust, at least when you are in Troll Mode.
I'm opposed to anyone who posts here in a manner contrary to the
FAQ and group charter, not just you.
Kevin R
It's obvious to me that you have placed your own distorted interpretation on the FAQ in order to try to intimidate into silence anyone who says anything you don't like. I'm not surprised. The atheists who post here(including you) are totally lacking in integrity. You are propagandists who don't care about the truth.

I doubt disgust has anything to do with it. There are lots of disgusting people on the internet and I have no difficulty simply ignoring them. They never make me desperate enough to make any attempt to evict them.

Anyone with an ounce of intelligent perception would have given up trying to get rid of me by now. You persist.
The next time you tell me to leave will get you no better results than the last 25 times did.
Kevrob
2018-03-30 17:47:36 UTC
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You're always trying to get rid of me. Why do I terrify you so much?
It's not fear: it's disgust, at least when you are in Troll Mode.
I'm opposed to anyone who posts here in a manner contrary to the
FAQ and group charter, not just you.
Kevin R
It's obvious to me that you have placed your own distorted interpretation on the FAQ in order to try to intimidate into silence anyone who says anything you don't like. I'm not surprised. The atheists who post here(including you) are totally lacking in integrity. You are propagandists who don't care about the truth.
I doubt disgust has anything to do with it. There are lots of disgusting people on the internet and I have no difficulty simply ignoring them. They never make me desperate enough to make any attempt to evict them.
Anyone with an ounce of intelligent perception would have given up trying to get rid of me by now. You persist.
The next time you tell me to leave will get you no better results than the last 25 times did.
You insist on being a jackass in this group. I can't stop you,
but I can kvetch about it to my heart's content.

What compels you to violate the agreed upon norms of the group?
There are plenty of other places your assholeishness would be
welcomed, even celebrated.

Have you tried reddit?

Kevin R
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2018-03-30 22:02:58 UTC
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You're always trying to get rid of me. Why do I terrify you so much?
It's not fear: it's disgust, at least when you are in Troll Mode.
I'm opposed to anyone who posts here in a manner contrary to the
FAQ and group charter, not just you.
Kevin R
It's obvious to me that you have placed your own distorted interpretation on the FAQ in order to try to intimidate into silence anyone who says anything you don't like. I'm not surprised. The atheists who post here(including you) are totally lacking in integrity. You are propagandists who don't care about the truth.
I doubt disgust has anything to do with it. There are lots of disgusting people on the internet and I have no difficulty simply ignoring them. They never make me desperate enough to make any attempt to evict them.
Anyone with an ounce of intelligent perception would have given up trying to get rid of me by now. You persist.
The next time you tell me to leave will get you no better results than the last 25 times did.
You insist on being a jackass in this group.
Just because I won't bow to your demands......


I can't stop you,
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but I can kvetch about it to my heart's content.
Knock yourself out.
Post by Kevrob
What compels you to violate the agreed upon norms of the group?
Agreed by who?I don't accept your version of the rules.
Post by Kevrob
There are plenty of other places your assholeishness would be
welcomed, even celebrated.
Have you tried reddit?
Kevin R
Nobody is forcing you to read my posts. I ignore a number of people completely.
Gospel TT
2018-03-30 23:31:30 UTC
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On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 12:40:25 PM UTC-4,
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On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 10:09:53 AM UTC-4,
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It's not fear: it's disgust, at least when you are in Troll Mode.
I'm opposed to anyone who posts here in a manner contrary to the
FAQ and group charter, not just you.
Kevin R
It's obvious to me that you have placed your own distorted
interpretati=
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on on the FAQ in order to try to intimidate into silence anyone who
says an=
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ything you don't like. I'm not surprised. The atheists who post
here(includ=
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ing you) are totally lacking in integrity. You are propagandists
who don't =
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care about the truth.
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I doubt disgust has anything to do with it. There are lots of
disgustin=
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g people on the internet and I have no difficulty simply ignoring
them. The=
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y never make me desperate enough to make any attempt to evict them.
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Anyone with an ounce of intelligent perception would have given
up tryi=
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ng to get rid of me by now. You persist.
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The next time you tell me to leave will get you no better
results than =
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the last 25 times did.
You insist on being a jackass in this group.
Just because I won't bow to your demands......
I can't stop you,
but I can kvetch about it to my heart's content.
Knock yourself out.
What compels you to violate the agreed upon norms of the group?
Agreed by who?I don't accept your version of the rules.
There are plenty of other places your assholeishness would be
welcomed, even celebrated.
Have you tried reddit?
Kevin R
Nobody is forcing you to read my posts. I ignore a number of people
complet=
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ely.
Lol cause your scared & it's funny lol.
Street
2018-03-31 02:35:32 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
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You're always trying to get rid of me. Why do I terrify you so much=
?
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
It's not fear: it's disgust, at least when you are in Troll Mode.
I'm opposed to anyone who posts here in a manner contrary to the
FAQ and group charter, not just you.
Post by Kevrob
Kevin R
It's obvious to me that you have placed your own distorted interpretati=
on on the FAQ in order to try to intimidate into silence anyone who says an=
ything you don't like. I'm not surprised. The atheists who post here(includ=
ing you) are totally lacking in integrity. You are propagandists who don't =
care about the truth.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
I doubt disgust has anything to do with it. There are lots of disgustin=
g people on the internet and I have no difficulty simply ignoring them. The=
y never make me desperate enough to make any attempt to evict them.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Anyone with an ounce of intelligent perception would have given up tryi=
ng to get rid of me by now. You persist.
Post by Kevrob
The next time you tell me to leave will get you no better results than =
the last 25 times did.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
You insist on being a jackass in this group.
Just because I won't bow to your demands......
I can't stop you,
Post by Kevrob
but I can kvetch about it to my heart's content.
Knock yourself out.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
What compels you to violate the agreed upon norms of the group?
Agreed by who?I don't accept your version of the rules.
Post by Kevrob
There are plenty of other places your assholeishness would be > >
welcomed, even celebrated.
Post by Kevrob
Have you tried reddit?
Kevin R
Nobody is forcing you to read my posts. I ignore a number of people complet=
ely.
Lol cause your scared & it's funny lol.
Good call. ArtyJoe is quite the gutless coward. But I regard it as
contemptible rather than amusing. At least his suck-buddy Duke is man
enough not to run away like a sniveling little pussy.
v***@gmail.com
2018-03-31 14:49:59 UTC
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You're always trying to get rid of me. Why do I terrify you so much=
?
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
It's not fear: it's disgust, at least when you are in Troll Mode.
I'm opposed to anyone who posts here in a manner contrary to the
FAQ and group charter, not just you.
Post by Kevrob
Kevin R
It's obvious to me that you have placed your own distorted interpretati=
on on the FAQ in order to try to intimidate into silence anyone who says an=
ything you don't like. I'm not surprised. The atheists who post here(includ=
ing you) are totally lacking in integrity. You are propagandists who don't =
care about the truth.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
I doubt disgust has anything to do with it. There are lots of disgustin=
g people on the internet and I have no difficulty simply ignoring them. The=
y never make me desperate enough to make any attempt to evict them.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Anyone with an ounce of intelligent perception would have given up tryi=
ng to get rid of me by now. You persist.
Post by Kevrob
The next time you tell me to leave will get you no better results than =
the last 25 times did.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
You insist on being a jackass in this group.
Just because I won't bow to your demands......
I can't stop you,
Post by Kevrob
but I can kvetch about it to my heart's content.
Knock yourself out.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
What compels you to violate the agreed upon norms of the group?
Agreed by who?I don't accept your version of the rules.
Post by Kevrob
There are plenty of other places your assholeishness would be > >
welcomed, even celebrated.
Post by Kevrob
Have you tried reddit?
Kevin R
Nobody is forcing you to read my posts. I ignore a number of people complet=
ely.
Lol cause your scared & it's funny lol.
Good call. ArtyJoe is quite the gutless coward.
You're the scum who hides behind forged posts.
Street
2018-04-01 03:40:37 UTC
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You're always trying to get rid of me. Why do I terrify you so much=
?
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
It's not fear: it's disgust, at least when you are in Troll Mode.
I'm opposed to anyone who posts here in a manner contrary to the
FAQ and group charter, not just you.
Post by Kevrob
Kevin R
It's obvious to me that you have placed your own distorted interpretati=
on on the FAQ in order to try to intimidate into silence anyone who says an=
ything you don't like. I'm not surprised. The atheists who post here(includ=
ing you) are totally lacking in integrity. You are propagandists who don't =
care about the truth.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
I doubt disgust has anything to do with it. There are lots of disgustin=
g people on the internet and I have no difficulty simply ignoring them. The=
y never make me desperate enough to make any attempt to evict them.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
Anyone with an ounce of intelligent perception would have given up tryi=
ng to get rid of me by now. You persist.
Post by Kevrob
The next time you tell me to leave will get you no better results than =
the last 25 times did.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
You insist on being a jackass in this group.
Just because I won't bow to your demands......
I can't stop you,
Post by Kevrob
but I can kvetch about it to my heart's content.
Knock yourself out.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Kevrob
What compels you to violate the agreed upon norms of the group?
Agreed by who?I don't accept your version of the rules.
Post by Kevrob
There are plenty of other places your assholeishness would be > >
welcomed, even celebrated.
Post by Kevrob
Have you tried reddit?
Kevin R
Nobody is forcing you to read my posts. I ignore a number of people complet=
ely.
Lol cause your scared & it's funny lol.
Good call. ArtyJoe is quite the gutless coward.
You're the scum who hides behind forged posts.
EVIDENCE?????????????????????????????
Tim
2018-03-30 16:01:55 UTC
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
You're always trying to get rid of me. Why do I terrify you so much?
LOL! You terrify! You can't even count to thirty, you dumb cunt.
Kevrob
2018-03-30 16:08:52 UTC
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You're always trying to get rid of me. Why do I terrify you so much?
LOL! You terrify! You can't even count to thirty, you dumb cunt.
Some may be afraid that alter kockerism is contagious...

Kevin R
John Locke
2018-03-30 14:33:15 UTC
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
...yes, I can relate, having been raised in a Catholic home. Remember
Stations of the Cross ? Every Sunday during lent we had to suffer
right along with Jesus. The priest, with his incense burner (that crap
made me sneeze like crazy) and trailing altar boys, would pause at
each of the 14 stations while everyone said the Hail Mary prayer out
loud. (why the hell isn't there a Hail Jesus prayer?) I dreaded lent
and actually looked forward to Easter because then I knew that this
fucking station nonsense would finally be over...yeah !!!!
Kevrob
2018-03-30 14:59:41 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
...yes, I can relate, having been raised in a Catholic home. Remember
Stations of the Cross ? Every Sunday during lent we had to suffer
right along with Jesus. The priest, with his incense burner (that crap
made me sneeze like crazy) and trailing altar boys, would pause at
each of the 14 stations while everyone said the Hail Mary prayer out
loud. (why the hell isn't there a Hail Jesus prayer?) I dreaded lent
and actually looked forward to Easter because then I knew that this
fucking station nonsense would finally be over...yeah !!!!
I was one of those trailing altar boys. I had to take my turn serving
stations, on Fridays in Lent.

I started out loathing incense, and as one became more senior in the
altar boys, you started serving weddings and funerals, and eventually
were trusted with the aspergillum and the thurible.* It was all I
could do to keep from vomiting the first time I pulled thurifer duty,
but it was kind of cool, because you got to light the charcoal on fire,
and pre-teen boys have a pyromaniac streak in them. Eventually, I grew
to tolerate the smell.

We got small tips for serving funerals, and larger ones for weddings,
so I served a lot of those. In my Catholic school, I and a couple of
classmates who were altar boys in their parishes would get called
out of class to serve funerals. It never hurt my grades any. The
teachers wouldn't let the poor students who couldn't afford to miss
class out, anyway. Those tips kept me in baseball cards and comic
books. I saved enough to finance a good chunk of a new bicycle,
along with gifts of birthday money and confirmation money.

Downside: too much time spent in church from weekday morning
masses, for no compensation!

Kevin R

* aspergillum = the dingus for flinging "holy water" at people.

Thurible = the censer for burning the incense, which the thurifer
was in charge of. The celebrant did the waving of the thurible,
to spread the incense around.
John Locke
2018-03-30 15:26:09 UTC
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
...yes, I can relate, having been raised in a Catholic home. Remember
Stations of the Cross ? Every Sunday during lent we had to suffer
right along with Jesus. The priest, with his incense burner (that crap
made me sneeze like crazy) and trailing altar boys, would pause at
each of the 14 stations while everyone said the Hail Mary prayer out
loud. (why the hell isn't there a Hail Jesus prayer?) I dreaded lent
and actually looked forward to Easter because then I knew that this
fucking station nonsense would finally be over...yeah !!!!
I was one of those trailing altar boys. I had to take my turn serving
stations, on Fridays in Lent.
I started out loathing incense, and as one became more senior in the
altar boys, you started serving weddings and funerals, and eventually
were trusted with the aspergillum and the thurible.* It was all I
could do to keep from vomiting the first time I pulled thurifer duty,
but it was kind of cool, because you got to light the charcoal on fire,
and pre-teen boys have a pyromaniac streak in them. Eventually, I grew
to tolerate the smell.
We got small tips for serving funerals, and larger ones for weddings,
so I served a lot of those. In my Catholic school, I and a couple of
classmates who were altar boys in their parishes would get called
out of class to serve funerals. It never hurt my grades any. The
teachers wouldn't let the poor students who couldn't afford to miss
class out, anyway. Those tips kept me in baseball cards and comic
books. I saved enough to finance a good chunk of a new bicycle,
along with gifts of birthday money and confirmation money.
Downside: too much time spent in church from weekday morning
masses, for no compensation!
Kevin R
* aspergillum = the dingus for flinging "holy water" at people.
Thurible = the censer for burning the incense, which the thurifer
was in charge of. The celebrant did the waving of the thurible,
to spread the incense around.
...you lucky guy ! An altar boy ! ...well, most of my Catholic friends
became altar boys upon recommendation from the catechism
instructor. I, however, didn't make it. Later on, I learned from my
mother, that the catechism lady had apparently found me "unsuitable
for altar boy service". My mother was always unhappy about that...I
was totaly elated !
Kevrob
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I was one of those trailing altar boys.
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...you lucky guy ! An altar boy ! ...well, most of my Catholic friends
became altar boys upon recommendation from the catechism
instructor. I, however, didn't make it. Later on, I learned from my
mother, that the catechism lady had apparently found me "unsuitable
for altar boy service". My mother was always unhappy about that...I
was totaly elated !
I had an older brother who was also an altar boy, and one who
wasn't, at least not for long. Eldest brother rose to be Head
Altar Boy. I did double-duty for a few years as a choir boy, which
meant that I served the 8:45 on Sunday mornings in the parish
auditorium, then dash over to the sacristy and vest myself for the
10:15 in the church building. When I hit high school I aged out
of the choir, and quit the altar boys in rather spectacular fashion.

To wit:

My older brother had lined up the various servers, including
myself, for inspection before the May Day procession to honor
Josh's Mom. In the USA, Catholics do May Day, but only a few
follow Yurpean customs involving labor and unions. We save that
for the first Monday in September. Anywho, while waiting for
Fadda to give the OK on our turnout, I stepped in front of my confreres
and quipped "I suppose you are all wondering why I called you
here today..." This enraged my brother, who clouted me on the
side of the head, thus taking upon himself the authority to
administer corporal punishment he wouldn't have dared due with the
kids from outside my family. He's 4 years older, so think of a
high school senior sucker-punching an 8th grader. I didn't take this
well, refusing to apologize, accusing my brother of being a tyrannical
martinet and flinging my vestments on the sacristy steps as I fled.

I didn't get punished by my parents for this. I think they knew my
brother took the religion thing too far, sometimes. They weren't
happy with him for usurping their authority, or that of the priest.
They acceded to my "resignation" from the brotherhood of the cassock.

I still went to church, and even was a lay reader in high school.
I did debate and speech contests in those years, even winning
one state championship at the junior varsity level. An demurrer
in response to the request to read at mass would have raided eyebrows.
IIRC, the Debate Nun and the Drama Nun would slip the local parishes
names of their students who would make plausible readers with
experience as public speakers.

No tips, doggone it, but I was down to only 1 mass a week. I did
miss some Sundays when travelling for tournaments.

Kevin R
Don Martin
2018-03-30 16:26:23 UTC
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Thurible = the censer for burning the incense, which the thurifer
was in charge of. The celebrant did the waving of the thurible,
to spread the incense around.
A great story about Tallulah Bankhead, a great broadway star of the
40s and notable drunk: After a Saturday evening out, Miss Bankhead
awoke in a pew in St. Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan, aroused by the
peal of organ music for the processional. Along came the thurifer,
waving away, to whom she drawled, "Dahling, your drag is devine, but
your purse is on fire!

Whether the thurifer had any sense of humor has not been recorded.
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Kevrob
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Thurible = the censer for burning the incense, which the thurifer
was in charge of. The celebrant did the waving of the thurible,
to spread the incense around.
A great story about Tallulah Bankhead, a great broadway star of the
40s and notable drunk: After a Saturday evening out, Miss Bankhead
awoke in a pew in St. Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan, aroused by the
peal of organ music for the processional. Along came the thurifer,
waving away, to whom she drawled, "Dahling, your drag is devine, but
your purse is on fire!
Whether the thurifer had any sense of humor has not been recorded.
***chuckle*****

I heard that one years ago, and, whoever said it, it was hilarious.

Kevin R
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A great story about Tallulah Bankhead, a
***chuckle*****
I heard that one years ago, and, whoever said it, it was hilarious.
It's past 3 pm on the US East Coast. No sign of Earl today.
He must have hours of groveling ahead of him.

Somebody send Tandy to the liquor store. He can pick up the
Manischewitz or the Mogen David.

Kevin R
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A great story about Tallulah Bankhead, a
***chuckle*****
I heard that one years ago, and, whoever said it, it was hilarious.
It's past 3 pm on the US East Coast. No sign of Earl today.
He must have hours of groveling ahead of him.
Somebody send Tandy to the liquor store. He can pick up the
Manischewitz or the Mogen David.
And if his diabetes has not carried him off yet, they will surely
help. (Have you ever tasted either?)
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A great story about Tallulah Bankhead, a
***chuckle*****
I heard that one years ago, and, whoever said it, it was hilarious.
It's past 3 pm on the US East Coast. No sign of Earl today.
He must have hours of groveling ahead of him.
Somebody send Tandy to the liquor store. He can pick up the
Manischewitz or the Mogen David.
And if his diabetes has not carried him off yet, they will surely
help. (Have you ever tasted either?)
Great Ghu, no. I used to see winos buying "MD 20/20" at local
liquor stores, when I lived within walking distance of a popular
shopping district they like to panhandle. That's a "fortified wine,"
like Night Train or Thunderbird. Even at a young age, I knew to stay
away from that swill.

I understand that classier outfits are now making drinkable kosher
wine, but I'm unfamiliar with the vintners who make those.

Kevin R

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortified_wine#Low-end_fortified_wines
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A great story about Tallulah Bankhead, a
***chuckle*****
I heard that one years ago, and, whoever said it, it was hilarious.
It's past 3 pm on the US East Coast. No sign of Earl today.
He must have hours of groveling ahead of him.
Somebody send Tandy to the liquor store. He can pick up the
Manischewitz or the Mogen David.
And if his diabetes has not carried him off yet, they will surely
help. (Have you ever tasted either?)
Great Ghu, no. I used to see winos buying "MD 20/20" at local
liquor stores, when I lived within walking distance of a popular
shopping district they like to panhandle. That's a "fortified wine,"
like Night Train or Thunderbird. Even at a young age, I knew to stay
away from that swill.
I understand that classier outfits are now making drinkable kosher
wine, but I'm unfamiliar with the vintners who make those.
Kevin R
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortified_wine#Low-end_fortified_wines
Allow me to recommend Edward Hyams' _A Social History of the Wine
Vine: Dionysus_, MacMillan 1965. This is written by one of those
unsung International Treasures, a British "gentleman scholar" who
knows practically everything there is to know about some subject
narrow to the point of idiosyncrasy. He observes that vines grown in
the desert (generally with irrigation) experience near steroidal
growth, transpiring a great deal of water to produce huge grapes with
a very high sugar content. Wine made from them is going to be sticky
sweet, and if that is what you grow up on, that is what you'll seek.
After the Diaspora, Jews continued to produce sweet wine in
inhospitable climates by adding sugar to it, a tradition continued by
Mogen David and Manischewitz. Mazel tov!
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MD 20/20 is the only thing that tastes worse than the regular crap from Mogen David.

Winos like it cause it's 20% alcohol.

Tastes lie the worst cough syrup ever.

One taste was more than enough.
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A great story about Tallulah Bankhead, a
***chuckle*****
I heard that one years ago, and, whoever said it, it was hilarious.
It's past 3 pm on the US East Coast. No sign of Earl today.
He must have hours of groveling ahead of him.
Somebody send Tandy to the liquor store. He can pick up the
Manischewitz or the Mogen David.
And if his diabetes has not carried him off yet
I don't have diabetes.

Where do you get this stupid shit?
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A great story about Tallulah Bankhead, a
***chuckle*****
I heard that one years ago, and, whoever said it, it was hilarious.
It's past 3 pm on the US East Coast. No sign of Earl today.
He must have hours of groveling ahead of him.
Somebody send Tandy to the liquor store.
I don't run errands for you.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod
today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped off
to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly the time
for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the
christaholics who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
...yes, I can relate, having been raised in a Catholic home. Remember
Stations of the Cross ? Every Sunday during lent we had to suffer right
along with Jesus. The priest, with his incense burner (that crap made
me sneeze like crazy) and trailing altar boys, would pause at each of
the 14 stations while everyone said the Hail Mary prayer out loud. (why
the hell isn't there a Hail Jesus prayer?) I dreaded lent and actually
looked forward to Easter because then I knew that this fucking station
nonsense would finally be over...yeah !!!!
I was one of those trailing altar boys. I had to take my turn serving
stations, on Fridays in Lent.
I started out loathing incense, and as one became more senior in the
altar boys, you started serving weddings and funerals, and eventually
were trusted with the aspergillum and the thurible.* It was all I could
do to keep from vomiting the first time I pulled thurifer duty, but it
was kind of cool, because you got to light the charcoal on fire,
and pre-teen boys have a pyromaniac streak in them. Eventually, I grew
to tolerate the smell.
We got small tips for serving funerals, and larger ones for weddings, so
I served a lot of those. In my Catholic school, I and a couple of
classmates who were altar boys in their parishes would get called out of
class to serve funerals. It never hurt my grades any. The teachers
wouldn't let the poor students who couldn't afford to miss class out,
anyway. Those tips kept me in baseball cards and comic books. I saved
enough to finance a good chunk of a new bicycle,
along with gifts of birthday money and confirmation money.
Downside: too much time spent in church from weekday morning masses, for
no compensation!
Kevin R
* aspergillum = the dingus for flinging "holy water" at people.
Thurible = the censer for burning the incense, which the thurifer was
in charge of. The celebrant did the waving of the thurible, to spread
the incense around.
The reason for incense burning is to hide the smell of all the rotting bodies buried
beneath the church floor.
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All gods are tailored to order. They're made
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The reason for incense burning is to hide the smell of all the rotting bodies buried
beneath the church floor.
Smells exactly like the smell that comes from peeing on a barrel made hot by a fire inside.
Hard to believe anybody fins that to be a pleasant smell.
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The reason for incense burning is to hide the smell of all the rotting bodies buried
beneath the church floor.
Smells exactly like the smell that comes from peeing on a barrel made hot by a fire inside.
Hard to believe anybody fins that to be a pleasant smell.
how would you know what peeing on a barrel made hot by a fire inside
smells like
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The reason for incense burning is to hide the smell of all the rotting bodies buried
beneath the church floor.
Smells exactly like the smell that comes from peeing on a barrel made hot by a fire inside.
Hard to believe anybody fins that to be a pleasant smell.
how would you know what peeing on a barrel made hot by a fire inside
smells like
By walking past a barrel fire, where bums congregate to keep warm,
of course.

Sheltered life, P-Scent?

Kevin R
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The reason for incense burning is to hide the smell of all the rotting bodies buried
beneath the church floor.
Smells exactly like the smell that comes from peeing on a barrel made hot by a fire inside.
Hard to believe anybody fins that to be a pleasant smell.
how would you know what peeing on a barrel made hot by a fire inside
smells like
By walking past a barrel fire, where bums congregate to keep warm,
of course.
Sheltered life, P-Scent?
Kevin R
why do you walk where the bums are and smell their barrels
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how would you know what peeing on a barrel made hot by a fire inside
smells like
____________________
Because I have been places where people were burning trash in a 55 gallon drum and somebody kissed on it.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
Passover, when Jews celebrate a slaughter of innocent first born sons.
It never happened of course but it is example of the horrors of Yahweh
which few people give any thought to.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
Passover, when Jews celebrate a slaughter of innocent first born sons.
It never happened of course but it is example of the horrors of Yahweh
which few people give any thought to.
The celebration is for freedom from slavery.
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Passover, when Jews celebrate a slaughter of innocent first born sons.
It never happened of course but it is example of the horrors of Yahweh
which few people give any thought to.
The celebration is for freedom from slavery.
[quote]

"The truth is that virtually every modern archeologist who has
investigated the story of the Exodus, with very few exceptions,
agrees that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way
it happened, if it happened at all," Wolpe told his congregants.

[/quote] - Rabbi David Wolpe, LA Times, 13 April, 2001

article continues:

[quote]

After a century of excavations trying to prove the ancient accounts
true, archeologists say there is no conclusive evidence that the Israelites
were ever in Egypt, were ever enslaved, ever wandered in the Sinai
wilderness for 40 years or ever conquered the land of Canaan under
Joshua's leadership. To the contrary, the prevailing view is that most
of Joshua's fabled military campaigns never occurred--archeologists
have uncovered ash layers and other signs of destruction at the relevant time
at only one of the many battlegrounds mentioned in the Bible.

[/quote] - Teresa Watanabe, LA Tines religion writer.

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/apr/13/news/mn-50481

So, a legend, not a fact.

Kevin R
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"The truth is that virtually every modern archeologist who has
investigated the story of the Exodus, with very few exceptions,
agrees that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way
it happened, if it happened at all," Wolpe told his congregants.
[/quote] - Rabbi David Wolpe, LA Times, 13 April, 2001
[snip]


The following is part of the transcript of the program

http://www.amazon.com/NOVA-Bibles-Buried-Secrets-Nova/dp/B001IBCS2S/

at: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/bibles-buried-secrets.html
===============

NARRATOR: These tantalizing connections are leading biblical scholars to
re-examine the Exodus story. While there is no evidence to support a mass
migration, some now believe that a small group did escape from Egypt;
however, they were not Israelites but, rather, Canaanite slaves. On their
journey back to Canaan they pass through Midian, where they are inspired
by stories of the Shasu's god, Yahu.

AVRAHAM FAUST: There was probably a group of people who fled from Egypt
and had some divine experience. It was probably small, a small group
demographically, but it was important at least in ideology.

NARRATOR: They find their way to the central hill country, where they
encounter the tribes who had fled the Canaanite city-states. Their story
of deliverance resonates in this emerging egalitarian society. The
liberated slaves attribute their freedom to the god they met in Midian,
who they now call Yahweh.

[...]

NARRATOR: The identity of "Israelites." They are a combination of
disenfranchised Canaanites, runaway slaves from Egypt and even nomads,
settling down. The Bible calls them a "mixed multitude."

WILLIAM DEVER: According to the Hebrew Bible, early Israel is a motley
crew. And we know that's the case, now. But these people are bound
together by a new vision, and I think the revolutionary spirit is
probably there from the beginning.

NARRATOR: The chosen people may actually be people who chose to be free.
Their story of escape, first told by word of mouth and poetry, helps
forge a collective identity among the tribes. Later, when written down,
it will become a central theme of the Bible: Exodus and divine
deliverance, deliverance by a God who comes from Midian-exactly where
the Bible says-adopted by the Israelites to represent their exodus from
slavery to freedom.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
Passover, when Jews celebrate a slaughter of innocent first born sons.
It never happened of course but it is example of the horrors of Yahweh
which few people give any thought to.
The celebration is for freedom from slavery.
Everybody knows what Passover means, you fucking liar.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
Passover, when Jews celebrate a slaughter of innocent first born sons.
It never happened of course but it is example of the horrors of Yahweh
which few people give any thought to.
The celebration is for freedom from slavery.
Everybody knows what Passover means, you fucking liar.
Yes, a kill fest where all the first borns, not guilty of anything get
slain by the ANGEL of the LORD just to piss off one man, the Pharaoh.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
Passover, when Jews celebrate a slaughter of innocent first born sons.
It never happened of course but it is example of the horrors of Yahweh
which few people give any thought to.
The celebration is for freedom from slavery.
Everybody knows what Passover means, you fucking liar.
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Let's see if you know what it means:

1.Why do Jews eat Matzoh on Passover?
2.What is the Hebrew word for Passover?
3.What year is it now according to the Hebrew calendar?
4.What are the Four Questions?
5.Who asks the Four Questions?
6.What is a "Seder"?
7.What are "bitters?"
8.Why do all Jewish holidays begin at sundown?
9.What book in Judaism describes the rituals for Passover?
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
Passover, when Jews celebrate a slaughter of innocent first born sons.
It never happened of course but it is example of the horrors of Yahweh
which few people give any thought to.
The celebration is for freedom from slavery.
Everybody knows what Passover means, you fucking liar.
\
1.Why do Jews eat Matzoh on Passover?
First tell us why you eat shit on other days.

ArtyJoe's pizza recipe:
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
Passover, when Jews celebrate a slaughter of innocent first born sons.
It never happened of course but it is example of the horrors of Yahweh
which few people give any thought to.
The celebration is for freedom from slavery.
Everybody knows what Passover means, you fucking liar.
\
1.Why do Jews eat Matzoh on Passover?
First tell us why you eat shit on other days.
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
What happened to your knowledge of Passover, you chickenshit little phony bastard?
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the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
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religious......fortunate
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One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have
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The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
Passover, when Jews celebrate a slaughter of innocent first born sons.
It never happened of course but it is example of the horrors of Yahweh
which few people give any thought to.
The celebration is for freedom from slavery.
Everybody knows what Passover means, you fucking liar.
\
1.Why do Jews eat Matzoh on Passover?
First tell us why you eat shit on other days.
http://tinyurl.com/y8rrvltw
What happened to your knowledge of Passover, you chickenshit little phony bastard?
That's not why you eat poop liar.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as
always, hold
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a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until
roughly
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the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still
religious......fortunate
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enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
Passover, when Jews celebrate a slaughter of innocent first born sons.
It never happened of course but it is example of the horrors of Yahweh
which few people give any thought to.
The celebration is for freedom from slavery.
Everybody knows what Passover means, you fucking liar.
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1.Why do Jews eat Matzoh on Passover?
2.What is the Hebrew word for Passover?
3.What year is it now according to the Hebrew calendar?
4.What are the Four Questions?
5.Who asks the Four Questions?
6.What is a "Seder"?
7.What are "bitters?"
8.Why do all Jewish holidays begin at sundown?
9.What book in Judaism describes the rituals for Passover?
I got all them rite.
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I got all them rite.
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Do you have a list of names we can call to prove that?
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I got all them rite.
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Do you have a list of names we can call to prove that?
Lol.
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The celebration is for freedom from slavery.
That never happened.
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The celebration is for freedom from slavery.
That never happened.
WRONG AGAIN

http://www.aish.com/h/pes/t/f/British-Museum--Evidence-of-Israelite-Slavery-in-Egypt.html



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Egypt
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The celebration is for freedom from slavery.
That never happened.
WRONG AGAIN
http://www.aish.com/h/pes/t/f/British-Museum--Evidence-of-Israelite-Slavery-in-Egypt.html
Dr. Taylor states that the Israelites did not build the pyramids as is
commonly thought. The pyramids were built 100 years after the
Israelites left Egypt. What they did build were cities. The Bible
states in Exodus 1:11-14, “So they appointed taskmasters over it (the
Israelite nation) in order to afflict it with their burdens; it built
storage cities for Pharaoh, Pithom and Ramses…They embittered their
lives with hard work, with mortar and with bricks…”

Clearly, you like this dr taylor, are a complete and total fucking
moron. If he for a second thing that anything at all in the bible
actually happened.

and yes passover is a celebration of murder YOU STUPID FUCK
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country
preacher Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale
"orthodox" dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the
Crucifixion of Jesus was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing,
and scandalous event for his followers. The notion that he died
"as a sin offering" or "for our sins" was formulated later by
his followers, perhaps to assuage their guilt over having
abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when the followers
of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible death, that the
Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over death," and as a
"sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to "fulfill" contrived
interpretations of assorted passages from the Septuagint.

These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience"
as the event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from
their hiding places, to resume the preaching of his teachings,
and to recognize him as a messianic (anointed) person.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold a
service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped off
to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly the time
for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the
christaholics who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from Tandy
and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country preacher
Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale "orthodox"
dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the Crucifixion of Jesus
was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and scandalous event for his
followers. The notion that he died "as a sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their guilt
over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when the
followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible death, that
the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over death," and as a
"sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to "fulfill" contrived
interpretations of assorted passages from the Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as the
event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their hiding
places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to recognize him
as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
--
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All gods are tailored to order. They're made
to exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold a
service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped off
to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly the time
for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the
christaholics who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from Tandy
and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country preacher
Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale "orthodox"
dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the Crucifixion of Jesus
was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and scandalous event for his
followers. The notion that he died "as a sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their guilt
over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when the
followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible death, that
the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over death," and as a
"sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to "fulfill" contrived
interpretations of assorted passages from the Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as the
event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their hiding
places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to recognize him
as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
If you say so.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold a
service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped off
to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly the time
for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the
christaholics who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from Tandy
and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country preacher
Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale "orthodox"
dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the Crucifixion of Jesus
was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and scandalous event for his
followers. The notion that he died "as a sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their guilt
over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when the
followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible death, that
the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over death," and as a
"sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to "fulfill" contrived
interpretations of assorted passages from the Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as the
event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their hiding
places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to recognize him
as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
If you say so.
If you _have_ more, trot it out. Otherwise avoid making snide empty
comments.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold a
service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped off
to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly the time
for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the
christaholics who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from Tandy
and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country preacher
Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale "orthodox"
dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the Crucifixion of Jesus
was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and scandalous event for his
followers. The notion that he died "as a sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their guilt
over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when the
followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible death, that
the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over death," and as a
"sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to "fulfill" contrived
interpretations of assorted passages from the Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as the
event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their hiding
places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to recognize him
as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
If you say so.
If you _have_ more, trot it out. Otherwise avoid making snide empty
comments.
The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always,
hold a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event,
at 3 pm today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate
to keep quiet during the hours of noon and three, at which time
we were trooped off to church for kneeling, standing, praying,
etc until roughly the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we
will be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still
religious......fortunate enough to not be spammed nor trolled
this afternoon by the christaholics who are compelled to intrude
here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country
preacher Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale
"orthodox" dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the
Crucifixion of Jesus was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and
scandalous event for his followers. The notion that he died "as a
sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their
guilt over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when
the followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible
death, that the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over
death," and as a "sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to
"fulfill" contrived interpretations of assorted passages from the
Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as
the event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their
hiding places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to
recognize him as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
If you say so.
If you _have_ more, trot it out. Otherwise avoid making snide empty
comments.
The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
How can a statement of fact be a snide empty comment?
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always,
hold a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event,
at 3 pm today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate
to keep quiet during the hours of noon and three, at which time
we were trooped off to church for kneeling, standing, praying,
etc until roughly the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we
will be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still
religious......fortunate enough to not be spammed nor trolled
this afternoon by the christaholics who are compelled to intrude
here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country
preacher Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale
"orthodox" dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the
Crucifixion of Jesus was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and
scandalous event for his followers. The notion that he died "as a
sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their
guilt over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when
the followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible
death, that the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over
death," and as a "sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to
"fulfill" contrived interpretations of assorted passages from the
Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as
the event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their
hiding places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to
recognize him as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
If you say so.
If you _have_ more, trot it out. Otherwise avoid making snide empty
comments.
The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
How can a statement of fact be a snide empty comment?
Comparing the existence of Jesus to the existence of Superman
is not a "statement of fact."
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The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
How can a statement of fact be a snide empty comment?
Comparing the existence of Jesus to the existence of Superman
is not a "statement of fact."
The evidence is the same for both. One is historically impossible.
One does not pretend to be anything but fiction. So yes, they are a
statement of fact.

walksalone who enjoys mythology, & the study thereof.
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If you say so.
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The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
How can a statement of fact be a snide empty comment?
Comparing the existence of Jesus to the existence of Superman
is not a "statement of fact."
The evidence is the same for both. One is historically impossible.
One does not pretend to be anything but fiction. So yes, they are a
statement of fact.
walksalone who enjoys mythology, & the study thereof.
Superman is also a conflation of the Moses myth, and that of
the various mighty heroes of mythology.

[quote]

"I'm lying in bed counting sheep when all of a sudden it hits me.
I conceive a character like Samson, Hercules and all the strong men
I heard tell of rolled into one. Only more so."

-- Jerome Siegel

[/quote] - Up, Up and Awaaay!!! By Otto Friedrich
Sunday, June 24, 2001 TIME

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,148856,00.html

..and the Justice Society of America, and its spiritual descendant,
the Justice League, were a modern version of the Argonauts, and the
Knights of the Round Table.

The Old and New Testaments similarly borrowed from previous myths.
The difference is that Siegel and Shuster were admitted fabulists.

Kevin R
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Superman is also a conflation of the Moses myth, and that of
the various mighty heroes of mythology.
In a previous reply, I posted part of the transcript at

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/bibles-buried-secrets.html

Scroll down the page and click on the link "Transcript."

Some time after watching this broadcast, my imagination formulated
the following: Moses may have been the son of a Midianite chieftain
who was a slave in the mines of Sinai (note that Moses did not speak
the language of the Hebrews/Canaanites). He organized an escape of a
small group of Midianite and Canaanite slaves and leads them back to
Midian. After surviving the harrowing journey through the Sinai
peninsula, the Canaanite slaves had some type of profound religious
experience and attribute their deliverance to Yahu, the deity of
Midian. When they return to the lower-class Canaanites settlements
in the "hill country," they promote the cult of Yahu/Yaweh.

If there are any scriptwriters on this forum, feel free to use
this perfectly plausible scenario that is supported by the latest
archaeological evidence. Just give me some credit and a moderate
consideration.
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Superman is also a conflation of the Moses myth, and that of
the various mighty heroes of mythology.
In a previous reply, I posted part of the transcript at
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/bibles-buried-secrets.html
I see your edu domain is just something that is for show. Because you
obviously don't know that the name moses come from an egyptian
pharaohs

There was
Kamose
Ahmose
Dedumose I
Dedumose II
Djedhotepre Dedumose I
Djedhotepre Dedumose II
Senakhtenre Ahmose
Wadjkheperre Kamose
Nebpehtire Ahmose I, Ahmosis I
Aakheperkare Thutmose I
Aakheperkare Thutmose II
Menkheperre Thutmose III
Menkheperure Thutmose IV
Khnemibre Ahmose II (Amasis II)

So dude take your pick.. Your moses of the bible the moses that was
also a harry potter wizard never existed.
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Superman is also a conflation of the Moses myth, and that of
the various mighty heroes of mythology.
In a previous reply, I posted part of the transcript at
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/bibles-buried-secrets.html
I see your edu domain is just something that is for show. Because you
obviously don't know that the name moses come from an egyptian
pharaohs
There was
Kamose
Ahmose
Dedumose I
Dedumose II
Djedhotepre Dedumose I
Djedhotepre Dedumose II
Senakhtenre Ahmose
Wadjkheperre Kamose
Nebpehtire Ahmose I, Ahmosis I
Aakheperkare Thutmose I
Aakheperkare Thutmose II
Menkheperre Thutmose III
Menkheperure Thutmose IV
Khnemibre Ahmose II (Amasis II)
There were also a bunch of Ramoses, aka Ramses. In my imagination I
dismissed all of these in favor of a Midianite enslaved in a mine
in the Sinai Peninsula. I wish that some scriptwriter would take
me up on this.

Several years ago, a poster on another forum pointed out that Yahu,
the deity of Midian, is still part of many names--in particular
part of the surname of the present Prime Minister Bibi.

Last month I happened to look up Elijah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah

and I was startled to read "Hebrew: Eliyahu, meaning 'My God is Yahu'"
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The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
How can a statement of fact be a snide empty comment?
Comparing the existence of Jesus to the existence of Superman
is not a "statement of fact."
The evidence is the same for both. One is historically impossible.
you say one is historically impossible, you failed to mention (if you
were referring to the christ subject that historically impossibilities
are always subject to those who recorded the history. On the matter of
a Jesus Christ, No one at all EVER recorded a history of a jesus
christ, not until around 300 years after it was said to have existed
was it EVER mentioned.

Aside from the historical abnormalities what was also not mentioned
was the fact that harry potter can not exist on this planet or in this
universe for that matter. Now weather there is another universe called
Asgaurd or whatever remains to be seen, but I do suspect that would be
extremely unlikely.
Post by walksalone
One does not pretend to be anything but fiction. So yes, they are a
statement of fact.
walksalone who enjoys mythology, & the study thereof.
BTW I don't think that jesus christ can be considered mythology... It
is not quite old enough yet. It is just a pure fictional story as of
now. Perhaps one day it will graduate from being just a fictional
tale to the great hall of mythological stories, but not yet.
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Comparing the existence of Jesus to the existence of Superman
is not a "statement of fact."
The evidence is the same for both. One is historically impossible.
you say one is historically impossible, you failed to mention (if you
were referring to the christ subject that historically impossibilities
are always subject to those who recorded the history. On the matter of
a Jesus Christ, No one at all EVER recorded a history of a jesus
christ, not until around 300 years after it was said to have existed
was it EVER mentioned.
In the case of jesus ben joseph, legally could have been done in. The
messiah [aka king of the Jews] would work, & did work for others. Now,
why not. Seems that archaeology says it, without coming out & saying
it.
How so.
No evidence for claimed birth or trip to Bethlehem. Why Bethlehem, to
make the connection with David.
Sermon on the mount & other miracles, no one else noticed. Not good.
Especially not Lazarus. If nothing else, the local gossips would have
had fun with that one.

Too many claimed events fail to show up when they should.
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Aside from the historical abnormalities what was also not mentioned
was the fact that harry potter can not exist on this planet or in this
universe for that matter. Now weather there is another universe called
Asgaurd or whatever remains to be seen, but I do suspect that would be
extremely unlikely.
Post by walksalone
One does not pretend to be anything but fiction. So yes, they are a
statement of fact.
walksalone who enjoys mythology, & the study thereof.
BTW I don't think that jesus christ can be considered mythology... It
Why not, it's not as if it is claimed to be recent. 2000+ years makes
it a fairy tale at least. Serious question BTW.
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is not quite old enough yet. It is just a pure fictional story as of
now. Perhaps one day it will graduate from being just a fictional
tale to the great hall of mythological stories, but not yet.
walksalone who appreciates differences of opinion...that are explained.
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Comparing the existence of Jesus to the existence of Superman
is not a "statement of fact."
The evidence is the same for both. One is historically impossible.
you say one is historically impossible, you failed to mention (if you
were referring to the christ subject that historically impossibilities
are always subject to those who recorded the history. On the matter of
a Jesus Christ, No one at all EVER recorded a history of a jesus
christ, not until around 300 years after it was said to have existed
was it EVER mentioned.
In the case of jesus ben joseph, legally could have been done in. The
messiah [aka king of the Jews] would work, & did work for others. Now,
why not. Seems that archaeology says it, without coming out & saying
it.
How so.
No evidence for claimed birth or trip to Bethlehem. Why Bethlehem, to
make the connection with David.
Sermon on the mount & other miracles, no one else noticed. Not good.
Especially not Lazarus. If nothing else, the local gossips would have
had fun with that one.
Too many claimed events fail to show up when they should.
Post by b***@m.nu
Aside from the historical abnormalities what was also not mentioned
was the fact that harry potter can not exist on this planet or in this
universe for that matter. Now weather there is another universe called
Asgaurd or whatever remains to be seen, but I do suspect that would be
extremely unlikely.
Post by walksalone
One does not pretend to be anything but fiction. So yes, they are a
statement of fact.
walksalone who enjoys mythology, & the study thereof.
BTW I don't think that jesus christ can be considered mythology... It
Why not, it's not as if it is claimed to be recent. 2000+ years makes
it a fairy tale at least. Serious question BTW.
I feel that it may be closer to 1700 years, There was not a jesus
christ before this time, there was a christos but that was a title
given to several people I am sure. Take the stories of the greek gods
and the norse gods, they are mythology
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is not quite old enough yet. It is just a pure fictional story as of
now. Perhaps one day it will graduate from being just a fictional
tale to the great hall of mythological stories, but not yet.
walksalone who appreciates differences of opinion...that are explained.
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It
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Why not, it's not as if it is claimed to be recent. 2000+ years
makes it a fairy tale at least. Serious question BTW.
I feel that it may be closer to 1700 years, There was not a jesus
christ before this time, there was a christos but that was a title
given to several people I am sure. Take the stories of the greek gods
and the norse gods, they are mythology
snip

Norse gods are recent, the Greek pantheon predates xianity & probably
Judaism.
Thank you for your response.

walksalone who is here to learn. & finds on occasion, he was wrong.
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BTW I don't think that jesus christ can be considered mythology...
It
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Why not, it's not as if it is claimed to be recent. 2000+ years
makes it a fairy tale at least. Serious question BTW.
I feel that it may be closer to 1700 years, There was not a jesus
christ before this time, there was a christos but that was a title
given to several people I am sure. Take the stories of the greek gods
and the norse gods, they are mythology
snip
Norse gods are recent, the Greek pantheon predates xianity & probably
Judaism.
Well you say recant but it is believed that some of the norse belief
of gods and such traces back to when they had their Germanic roots and
the norse mythology dates almost back to the bronze age. They have
found pottery with symbols and drawings that show this that dates from
the bronze age.
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Thank you for your response.
walksalone who is here to learn. & finds on occasion, he was wrong.
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BTW I don't think that jesus christ can be considered
mythology... >> It
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Why not, it's not as if it is claimed to be recent. 2000+ years
makes it a fairy tale at least. Serious question BTW.
I feel that it may be closer to 1700 years, There was not a jesus
christ before this time, there was a christos but that was a title
given to several people I am sure. Take the stories of the greek
gods >> and the norse gods, they are mythology
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snip
Norse gods are recent, the Greek pantheon predates xianity &
probably Judaism.
Well you say recant but it is believed that some of the norse belief
of gods and such traces back to when they had their Germanic roots and
the norse mythology dates almost back to the bronze age. They have
found pottery with symbols and drawings that show this that dates from
the bronze age.
References. I can't read everything at the same time.
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Thank you for your response.
walksalone who is here to learn. & finds on occasion, he was wrong.
walksalone who can accept correction. Seems it's needed to learn.



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BTW I don't think that jesus christ can be considered
mythology... >> It
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Why not, it's not as if it is claimed to be recent. 2000+ years
makes it a fairy tale at least. Serious question BTW.
I feel that it may be closer to 1700 years, There was not a jesus
christ before this time, there was a christos but that was a title
given to several people I am sure. Take the stories of the greek
gods >> and the norse gods, they are mythology
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snip
Norse gods are recent, the Greek pantheon predates xianity &
probably Judaism.
Well you say recant but it is believed that some of the norse belief
of gods and such traces back to when they had their Germanic roots and
the norse mythology dates almost back to the bronze age. They have
found pottery with symbols and drawings that show this that dates from
the bronze age.
References. I can't read everything at the same time.
Andrén described Old Norse religion as a "cultural patchwork" which
emerged under a wide range of influences, both from earlier
Scandinavian religions and elements introduced from elsewhere. It may
have had links to Nordic Bronze Age: while the putatively
solar-oriented belief system of Bronze Age Scandinavia is believed to
have died out around 500 BCE, a number of Bronze Age motifs—such as
the wheel cross—reappear in later Iron Age contexts.[10] I

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Norse_religion

sorry I had actually read it the day befre my last reply to you so I
did not post the reference...
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walksalone who can accept correction. Seems it's needed to learn.
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mythology... >> It
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Why not, it's not as if it is claimed to be recent. 2000+
years >> >> > makes it a fairy tale at least. Serious question BTW.
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I feel that it may be closer to 1700 years, There was not a
jesus >> >> christ before this time, there was a christos but that
was a title >> >> given to several people I am sure. Take the stories
of the greek >> gods >> and the norse gods, they are mythology
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snip
Norse gods are recent, the Greek pantheon predates xianity &
probably Judaism.
Well you say recant but it is believed that some of the norse
belief >> of gods and such traces back to when they had their
Germanic roots and >> the norse mythology dates almost back to the
bronze age. They have >> found pottery with symbols and drawings that
show this that dates from >> the bronze age.
Post by walksalone
References. I can't read everything at the same time.
Andrén described Old Norse religion as a "cultural patchwork" which
emerged under a wide range of influences, both from earlier
Scandinavian religions and elements introduced from elsewhere. It may
have had links to Nordic Bronze Age: while the putatively
solar-oriented belief system of Bronze Age Scandinavia is believed to
have died out around 500 BCE, a number of Bronze Age motifs—such as
the wheel cross—reappear in later Iron Age contexts.[10] I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Norse_religion
sorry I had actually read it the day befre my last reply to you so I
did not post the reference...
None of which require xianity to be anything but a myth.
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Thank you for your response.
walksalone who is here to learn. & finds on occasion, he was
wrong.
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walksalone who can accept correction. Seems it's needed to learn.
I see no reason to keep going in circles [to me]. So this will be my
exit note.

walksalone who suspects his definition of myth does not match everyone
elses. & that is a good thing.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always,
hold a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event,
at 3 pm today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate
to keep quiet during the hours of noon and three, at which time
we were trooped off to church for kneeling, standing, praying,
etc until roughly the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we
will be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still
religious......fortunate enough to not be spammed nor trolled
this afternoon by the christaholics who are compelled to intrude
here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country
preacher Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale
"orthodox" dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the
Crucifixion of Jesus was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and
scandalous event for his followers. The notion that he died "as a
sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their
guilt over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when
the followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible
death, that the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over
death," and as a "sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to
"fulfill" contrived interpretations of assorted passages from the
Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as
the event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their
hiding places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to
recognize him as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
If you say so.
If you _have_ more, trot it out. Otherwise avoid making snide empty
comments.
The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
How can a statement of fact be a snide empty comment?
Comparing the existence of Jesus to the existence of Superman
is not a "statement of fact."
Both are unequally unevidenced: that is a fact (unless you have some
decent non-Biblical evidence to show us).
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always,
hold a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event,
at 3 pm today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate
to keep quiet during the hours of noon and three, at which time
we were trooped off to church for kneeling, standing, praying,
etc until roughly the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we
will be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still
religious......fortunate enough to not be spammed nor trolled
this afternoon by the christaholics who are compelled to intrude
here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country
preacher Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale
"orthodox" dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the
Crucifixion of Jesus was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and
scandalous event for his followers. The notion that he died "as a
sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their
guilt over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when
the followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible
death, that the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over
death," and as a "sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to
"fulfill" contrived interpretations of assorted passages from the
Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as
the event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their
hiding places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to
recognize him as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
If you say so.
If you _have_ more, trot it out. Otherwise avoid making snide empty
comments.
The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
How can a statement of fact be a snide empty comment?
Comparing the existence of Jesus to the existence of Superman
is not a "statement of fact."
actually it is, when comparing 2 items that are very similar is by all
means a fact. It becomes a fact when it is done. It is that simple.
Now just because superman is a fairy tale being compared to a jesus
christ which is in fact another fairy tale does not make the
comparison any less factual. I can compare/contrast any ideas that are
real or imaginary and have them all be a matter of fact.

Drosa I see you have a posted email with and edu domain. So let me ask
you why do you believe in fairies?
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod
today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always,
hold a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event,
at 3 pm today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate
to keep quiet during the hours of noon and three, at which time
we were trooped off to church for kneeling, standing, praying,
etc until roughly the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we
will be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still
religious......fortunate enough to not be spammed nor trolled
this afternoon by the christaholics who are compelled to intrude
here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country
preacher Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale
"orthodox" dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the
Crucifixion of Jesus was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and
scandalous event for his followers. The notion that he died "as a
sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their
guilt over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when
the followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible
death, that the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over
death," and as a "sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to
"fulfill" contrived interpretations of assorted passages from the
Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as
the event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their
hiding places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to
recognize him as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
If you say so.
If you _have_ more, trot it out. Otherwise avoid making snide empty
comments.
The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
How can a statement of fact be a snide empty comment?
Comparing the existence of Jesus to the existence of Superman
is not a "statement of fact."
actually it is, when comparing 2 items that are very similar is by all
means a fact. It becomes a fact when it is done. It is that simple.
Now just because superman is a fairy tale being compared to a jesus
christ which is in fact another fairy tale does not make the
comparison any less factual. I can compare/contrast any ideas that are
real or imaginary and have them all be a matter of fact.
Drosa I see you have a posted email with and edu domain. So let me ask
you why do you believe in fairies?
My interest is in scholarship, not in fairies.
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod
today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always,
hold a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event,
at 3 pm today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate
to keep quiet during the hours of noon and three, at which time
we were trooped off to church for kneeling, standing, praying,
etc until roughly the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we
will be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still
religious......fortunate enough to not be spammed nor trolled
this afternoon by the christaholics who are compelled to intrude
here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country
preacher Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale
"orthodox" dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the
Crucifixion of Jesus was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and
scandalous event for his followers. The notion that he died "as a
sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their
guilt over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when
the followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible
death, that the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over
death," and as a "sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to
"fulfill" contrived interpretations of assorted passages from the
Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as
the event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their
hiding places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to
recognize him as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for
Superman.
If you say so.
If you _have_ more, trot it out. Otherwise avoid making snide empty
comments.
The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
How can a statement of fact be a snide empty comment?
Comparing the existence of Jesus to the existence of Superman
is not a "statement of fact."
actually it is, when comparing 2 items that are very similar is by all
means a fact. It becomes a fact when it is done. It is that simple.
Now just because superman is a fairy tale being compared to a jesus
christ which is in fact another fairy tale does not make the
comparison any less factual. I can compare/contrast any ideas that are
real or imaginary and have them all be a matter of fact.
Drosa I see you have a posted email with and edu domain. So let me ask
you why do you believe in fairies?
My interest is in scholarship, not in fairies.
From the words that you used and what was said you do believe in these
fairies you seek information on. Now if you were a proper scholar then
you would be seeking the truth, not seeking more reasons to believe in
fairy tales. There is no factual data on any of the fairies that you
believe in, which by the way is all the fairies that have ever existed
and will ever exist. That sounds crazy huh? every time a fairy is
invented You have no choice but to believe it exists. You currently
believe that the aforementioned superman exists and is real along with
all the superfriends not to mention all the bad fairy tales including
the big bad wolf that huffed and puffed and blew the house down....


Did you even realize how freaking stupid that you are because you
believe in fairies??
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
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I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold a
service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped off
to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly the time
for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the
christaholics who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from Tandy
and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country preacher
Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale "orthodox"
dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the Crucifixion of Jesus
was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and scandalous event for his
followers. The notion that he died "as a sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their guilt
over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when the
followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible death, that
the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over death," and as a
"sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to "fulfill" contrived
interpretations of assorted passages from the Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as the
event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their hiding
places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to recognize him
as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
If you say so.
If you _have_ more, trot it out. Otherwise avoid making snide empty
comments.
The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
Yet strangely enough, you get second billing over him in the list
above. Did you say nothing? If so, why?
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
Smiler
2018-04-03 04:48:09 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always,
hold a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event,
at 3 pm today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate
to keep quiet during the hours of noon and three, at which time
we were trooped off to church for kneeling, standing, praying,
etc until roughly the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we
will be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still
religious......fortunate enough to not be spammed nor trolled
this afternoon by the christaholics who are compelled to intrude
here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease
from Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country
preacher Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale
"orthodox" dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the
Crucifixion of Jesus was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing,
and scandalous event for his followers. The notion that he died
"as a sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their
guilt over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when
the followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible
death, that the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over
death," and as a "sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to
"fulfill" contrived interpretations of assorted passages from the
Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as
the event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their
hiding places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to
recognize him as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
If you say so.
If you _have_ more, trot it out. Otherwise avoid making snide empty
comments.
The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
Yet strangely enough, you get second billing over him in the list above.
Did you say nothing? If so, why?
Whether he said anything or not, it still amounts to nothing?
--
Smiler, The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made
to exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

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b***@m.nu
2018-04-03 09:58:30 UTC
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Post by D***@teikyopost.edu
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Post by Smiler
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always,
hold a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event,
at 3 pm today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate
to keep quiet during the hours of noon and three, at which time
we were trooped off to church for kneeling, standing, praying,
etc until roughly the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we
will be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still
religious......fortunate enough to not be spammed nor trolled
this afternoon by the christaholics who are compelled to intrude
here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease
from Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country
preacher Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale
"orthodox" dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the
Crucifixion of Jesus was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing,
and scandalous event for his followers. The notion that he died
"as a sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their
guilt over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when
the followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible
death, that the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over
death," and as a "sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to
"fulfill" contrived interpretations of assorted passages from the
Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as
the event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their
hiding places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to
recognize him as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
If you say so.
If you _have_ more, trot it out. Otherwise avoid making snide empty
comments.
The "snide empty comments" were made by Smiler.
Yet strangely enough, you get second billing over him in the list above.
Did you say nothing? If so, why?
Whether he said anything or not, it still amounts to nothing?
What I find totally amazing is that it claims to be a scholar, yet it
believes in fairies, it believes that the bible happened, it believes
in the harry potter they call moses and christ, even though neither
one was ever written about when they were alive not even soon after
they died.
v***@gmail.com
2018-04-05 03:54:45 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold a
service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped off
to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly the time
for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the
christaholics who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from Tandy
and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country preacher
Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale "orthodox"
dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the Crucifixion of Jesus
was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and scandalous event for his
followers. The notion that he died "as a sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their guilt
over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when the
followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible death, that
the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over death," and as a
"sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to "fulfill" contrived
interpretations of assorted passages from the Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as the
event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their hiding
places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to recognize him
as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
That's a LIE

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=what%20are%20the%20non-biblical%20sources%20of%20knowledge%20about%20Jesus
Street
2018-04-05 07:58:22 UTC
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Post by Smiler
Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold a
service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped off
to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly the time
for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the
christaholics who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from Tandy
and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country preacher
Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale "orthodox"
dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the Crucifixion of Jesus
was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and scandalous event for his
followers. The notion that he died "as a sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their guilt
over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when the
followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible death, that
the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over death," and as a
"sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to "fulfill" contrived
interpretations of assorted passages from the Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as the
event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their hiding
places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to recognize him
as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
That's a LIE
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=what%20are%20the%20non-biblical%20sources%20of%20knowledge%20about%20Jesus
And here's proof that ArtyJoe eats shit:

https://www.google.com/search?ei=-87FWsHKAdLYzwLrxpaADA&q=%22artyjoe%22+eats+shit&oq=%22artyjoe%22+eats+shit&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3...6873.36437..37513...3....703.17672.1j13j18j7j10j6j1..........1..mobile-gws-wiz-serp.....3..35i39j0i7i30j0j0i67j0i131j0i131i20i263j0i10j0i30j33i21.D0%2Bh7fdH3W0%3D
v***@gmail.com
2018-04-05 03:59:22 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are
commemorating the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold a
service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped off
to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly the time
for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the
christaholics who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from Tandy
and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
There is some value to contemplating the Passion of the country preacher
Jesus of Nazareth, without the baggage of all the stale "orthodox"
dogmas. According to many biblical scholars, the Crucifixion of Jesus
was a shocking, unexpected, embarrassing, and scandalous event for his
followers. The notion that he died "as a sin offering" or "for our sins"
was formulated later by his followers, perhaps to assuage their guilt
over having abandoned him. It was only after-the-fact, when the
followers of Jesus tried to make sense out of his horrible death, that
the Crucifixion came to be viewed as a "victory over death," and as a
"sacrifice" that was "necessary" in order to "fulfill" contrived
interpretations of assorted passages from the Septuagint.
These biblical scholars refer to the "resurrection experience" as the
event that jolted the followers of Jesus to emerge from their hiding
places, to resume the preaching of his teachings, and to recognize him
as a messianic (anointed) person.
And there is no more evidence that he existed than there is for Superman.
--
That's a lie


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
b***@m.nu
2018-04-02 02:29:46 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today. As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
"There are idiots among us, and they all believe in a god"
~Toidi Uoy

That is the only thing that has any meaning during The evil days of
easter
duke
2018-04-04 12:34:20 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, are commemorating
the supposed execution of their legendary man/ghod today.
I was raised Catholic, and my hometown's parish will, as always, hold
a service (not a mass) in observance of this alleged event, at 3 pm
today.
Good Friday is the only day of the year in which the commeratate the death of
Jesus on the cross which replaces the Holy Mass, which is the resurrection of
Jesus itself.

You call it "alleged", we call it "Good".
Post by Kevrob
As a child I was taught that it was appropriate to keep quiet
during the hours of noon and three, at which time we were trooped
off to church for kneeling, standing, praying, etc until roughly
the time for a meatless dinner.
If these traditions are still in force, does that mean that we will
be.....I'd say "blessed" if I were still religious......fortunate
enough to not be spammed nor trolled this afternoon by the christaholics
who are compelled to intrude here with their nonsense?
Yet it is your nonsense that we are correcting. Your mistranslated nonsense is
the very lie that needs correction.
Post by Kevrob
One can hope.
Passover starts at sundown, so perhaps we will have surcease from
Tandy and other observant Jews, to boot!
The Christians will say "he is risen" on Sunday morning,
but I will be snoozing, more than likely.
Kevin R
And when you die, Jesus will be smiling at us that listen.

the dukester, American-American


*****
The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
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Kevrob
2018-04-04 17:18:50 UTC
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The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, ...
Again, thread marked "aa" - not even non-troll theists invited,
per the group FAQ.

"aa: Traditions on Good (sic) Friday/Passover"

You, being a troll, just post whatever you like, FAQ or no FAQ.

Kevin R
duke
2018-04-05 20:07:46 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, ...
Again, thread marked "aa" - not even non-troll theists invited,
per the group FAQ.
"aa: Traditions on Good (sic) Friday/Passover"
You, being a troll, just post whatever you like, FAQ or no FAQ.
Nope, no troll. All you are going to do is lie, so I must stand opposed to your
falsifications.
Post by Kevrob
Kevin R
the dukester, American-American


*****
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the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
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v***@gmail.com
2018-04-05 21:39:48 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, ...
Again, thread marked "aa" - not even non-troll theists invited,
per the group FAQ.
"aa: Traditions on Good (sic) Friday/Passover"
You, being a troll, just post whatever you like, FAQ or no FAQ.
Nope, no troll. All you are going to do is lie, so I must stand opposed to your
falsifications.
When that slimy worm runs out of bullshit, he descends into depravity.
He makes fun of your body. It makes me want to vomit.
Kevrob
2018-04-06 03:00:03 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, ...
Again, thread marked "aa" - not even non-troll theists invited,
per the group FAQ.
"aa: Traditions on Good (sic) Friday/Passover"
You, being a troll, just post whatever you like, FAQ or no FAQ.
Nope, no troll. All you are going to do is lie, so I must stand opposed to your
falsifications.
When that slimy worm runs out of bullshit, he descends into depravity.
Depravity? Which one of us collapses into paroxysms of coprolalic
rage?
Post by v***@gmail.com
He makes fun of your body. It makes me want to vomit.
Earl's fat. I joke about it. I need to lose weight, also.
I don't belong to a church that values self-denial, and
counts gluttony a sin, however.

Kevin R
Street
2018-04-06 19:55:22 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, ...
Again, thread marked "aa" - not even non-troll theists invited,
per the group FAQ.
"aa: Traditions on Good (sic) Friday/Passover"
You, being a troll, just post whatever you like, FAQ or no FAQ.
Nope, no troll. All you are going to do is lie, so I must stand opposed to your
falsifications.
When that slimy worm runs out of bullshit, he descends into depravity.
Depravity? Which one of us collapses into paroxysms of coprolalic
rage?
Post by v***@gmail.com
He makes fun of your body. It makes me want to vomit.
Earl's fat. I joke about it. I need to lose weight, also.
I don't belong to a church that values self-denial, and
counts gluttony a sin, however.
Kevin R
Duke denies he has a problem with gluttony while it's obvious that he does.
duke
2018-04-06 21:04:01 UTC
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Post by v***@gmail.com
Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, ...
Again, thread marked "aa" - not even non-troll theists invited,
per the group FAQ.
"aa: Traditions on Good (sic) Friday/Passover"
You, being a troll, just post whatever you like, FAQ or no FAQ.
Nope, no troll. All you are going to do is lie, so I must stand opposed to your
falsifications.
When that slimy worm runs out of bullshit, he descends into depravity.
Depravity? Which one of us collapses into paroxysms of coprolalic
rage?
Yep, you don't even know to spell God.
Post by Kevrob
Post by v***@gmail.com
He makes fun of your body. It makes me want to vomit.
Earl's fat. I joke about it. I need to lose weight, also.
I don't belong to a church that values self-denial, and
counts gluttony a sin, however.
Guess what. I'm not a glutton. And I say you are.
Post by Kevrob
Kevin R
the dukester, American-American


*****
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the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
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duke
2018-04-06 21:02:27 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, ...
Again, thread marked "aa" - not even non-troll theists invited,
per the group FAQ.
"aa: Traditions on Good (sic) Friday/Passover"
You, being a troll, just post whatever you like, FAQ or no FAQ.
Nope, no troll. All you are going to do is lie, so I must stand opposed to your
falsifications.
When that slimy worm runs out of bullshit, he descends into depravity.
He makes fun of your body. It makes me want to vomit.
A lot of these atheists lack the class to participate in a discussion of points.
First cousins to toilet-mouth triangle.

the dukester, American-American


*****
The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
*****
v***@gmail.com
2018-04-08 07:35:16 UTC
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Post by duke
Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, ...
Again, thread marked "aa" - not even non-troll theists invited,
per the group FAQ.
"aa: Traditions on Good (sic) Friday/Passover"
You, being a troll, just post whatever you like, FAQ or no FAQ.
Nope, no troll. All you are going to do is lie, so I must stand opposed to your
falsifications.
When that slimy worm runs out of bullshit, he descends into depravity.
He makes fun of your body. It makes me want to vomit.
A lot of these atheists lack the class to participate in a discussion of points.
First cousins to toilet-mouth triangle.
They are obsessed with conformity. They cannot tolerate anyone who disagrees with them, so they try and intimidate the opposition into silence.
duke
2018-04-08 14:15:24 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Catholic Church, and most other Christian churches, ...
Again, thread marked "aa" - not even non-troll theists invited,
per the group FAQ.
"aa: Traditions on Good (sic) Friday/Passover"
You, being a troll, just post whatever you like, FAQ or no FAQ.
Nope, no troll. All you are going to do is lie, so I must stand opposed to your
falsifications.
When that slimy worm runs out of bullshit, he descends into depravity.
He makes fun of your body. It makes me want to vomit.
A lot of these atheists lack the class to participate in a discussion of points.
First cousins to toilet-mouth triangle.
They are obsessed with conformity. They cannot tolerate anyone who disagrees with them, so they try and intimidate the opposition into silence.
They lack the moral code to accept God in their lives.

the dukester, American-American


*****
The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
*****

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