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2018-11-20 22:19:22 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.

And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
Also in this essay "Even if I did believe" :
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."

The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.

Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.

This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "

(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.

Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.

Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.

Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)

Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.

Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.

Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).

There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".

More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.

Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)

But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.

This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.

A general problem that makes Christians do the wrong things and fail to understand and do the right things: their essentialism, mistaking the moral qualification of an action with its nature or intention, disregarding the context; their inability or refusal to understand the consequences of their actions. They make this systematic, by the following childish reasoning and set of more or less hidden, unquestioned assumptions:
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.

So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?

For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Africa-Has-No-Boss-But-Jesus
2018-11-20 22:23:21 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Because it ended the ancient world with its evil and cruelty to restore decency, human rights....
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2018-11-20 22:25:05 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Because it ended the ancient world with its evil and cruelty to restore decency, human rights....
and stopped everyone from being catholic
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2018-11-21 02:25:52 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Because it ended the ancient world with its evil and cruelty to restore decency, human rights....
Idiot....it never ended anything.
In fact, religious wars, persecution and crimes are being committed by Christianity which when combined with the atrocity of a fucking pixie against human means your religion is evil to the core!!!!!!
Greywolf
2018-11-20 22:51:36 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity, The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies all the more stupid and gullible.

It's a shame so many truly good people are taken in by such nonsense.
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2018-11-21 21:59:30 UTC
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.


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the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
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Greywolf
2018-11-22 03:49:42 UTC
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
He didn't. Trinitarianism is a Church lie. Jesus certainly didn't teach His disciples that God was made-up of 3 yahooos, uh, I mean "people." And you, like the idiot you are, can't use simple common sense to see how patently ridiculous the concept is. The God Jesus was SENT by another God to pretend to die on a Roman Cross. Did God the Father go along with the God Jesus to pretend to die as well? Did the Holy Ghost God get nailed to the cross too?

Take a gander at this, you weasel:

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/trinity.html

All the Trinity is, is a made-up piece of Church baloney.

Going to buy any square-circles or square-triangles at Walmart on Black Friday? Hell, Walmart might even have Moe, Curly, and Larry dolls that are ONE doll on sale as well. But don't expect the three to each go their own way. They can't if they're only ONE doll.
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2018-11-22 09:48:13 UTC
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
He didn't. Trinitarianism is a Church lie. Jesus certainly didn't teach His disciples that God was made-up of 3 yahooos, uh, I mean "people." And you, like the idiot you are, can't use simple common sense to see how patently ridiculous the concept is. The God Jesus was SENT by another God to pretend to die on a Roman Cross. Did God the Father go along with the God Jesus to pretend to die as well? Did the Holy Ghost God get nailed to the cross too?
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/trinity.html
All the Trinity is, is a made-up piece of Church baloney.
Going to buy any square-circles or square-triangles at Walmart on Black Friday? Hell, Walmart might even have Moe, Curly, and Larry dolls that are ONE doll on sale as well. But don't expect the three to each go their own way. They can't if they're only ONE doll.
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The solution is simple. Don't be a Christian.
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
He didn't. Trinitarianism is a Church lie. Jesus certainly didn't teach His disciples that God was made-up of 3 yahooos, uh, I mean "people." And you, like the idiot you are, can't use simple common sense to see how patently ridiculous the concept is. The God Jesus was SENT by another God to pretend to die on a Roman Cross. Did God the Father go along with the God Jesus to pretend to die as well? Did the Holy Ghost God get nailed to the cross too?
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/trinity.html
All the Trinity is, is a made-up piece of Church baloney.
Going to buy any square-circles or square-triangles at Walmart on Black Friday? Hell, Walmart might even have Moe, Curly, and Larry dolls that are ONE doll on sale as well. But don't expect the three to each go their own way. They can't if they're only ONE doll.
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The solution is simple. Don't be a Christian.
Only fools want to become Christians, not others!!!!!!!!!!!
duke
2018-11-23 21:56:36 UTC
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
He didn't. Trinitarianism is a Church lie.
Jesus went to the cross over it.
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Jesus certainly didn't teach His disciples that God was made-up of 3 yahooos, uh, I mean "people." And you, like the idiot you are, can't use simple common sense to see how patently ridiculous the concept is. The God Jesus was SENT by another God to pretend to die on a Roman Cross. Did God the Father go along with the God Jesus to pretend to die as well? Did the Holy Ghost God get nailed to the cross too?
Wow, you are certifiably nuts.
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http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/trinity.html
Was that a comedy show at Auburn?

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2018-11-24 00:10:21 UTC
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
He didn't. Trinitarianism is a Church lie.
Jesus went to the cross over it.
No, that's just you lying once again. Point to a passage in Scripture where Jesus says God is made up of three "persons."
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Jesus certainly didn't teach His disciples that God was made-up of 3 yahooos, uh, I mean "people." And you, like the idiot you are, can't use simple common sense to see how patently ridiculous the concept is. The God Jesus was SENT by another God to pretend to die on a Roman Cross. Did God the Father go along with the God Jesus to pretend to die as well? Did the Holy Ghost God get nailed to the cross too?
Wow, you are certifiably nuts.
I'm not the one who believes ONE God is made-up of THREE Gods. YOU do! You feakin' nut.
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http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/trinity.html
Was that a comedy show at Auburn?
No. The "comedy show" is YOU claiming ONE God is made-up of THREE Gods.

Look at it this way: You've gone to Walmart and bought one of those magical Moe, Curly, and Larry Dolls. But Moe, Curly, and Larry, are just ONE doll. Can Moe send Curly to die on a Roman cross while He stays lying next to you in bed?

I don't think so.

That would only work if Curly were independent of Moe. But then you wouldn't have ONE doll any longer, you'd have TWO. Right?

But you'll respond with some more of your buffoonery and display what a retard you truly are. Doesn't that get old for you after a while?

Enjoy being retarded, do you?
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2018-11-24 20:17:10 UTC
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
He didn't. Trinitarianism is a Church lie.
Jesus went to the cross over it.
No, that's just you lying once again. Point to a passage in Scripture where Jesus says God is made up of three "persons."
Mat 28:19-20 -- AS I'VE POINTED OUT TO YOU SO MANY TIMES BEFORE.
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Jesus certainly didn't teach His disciples that God was made-up of 3 yahooos
uh, I mean "people."
Heeheehee. No, 3 "persons".
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Post by duke
Wow, you are certifiably nuts.
'm not the one who believes ONE God is made-up of THREE Gods. YOU do! You feakin' nut.
You can run but you can't hide.


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2018-11-25 06:11:57 UTC
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Post by Greywolf
It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
He didn't. Trinitarianism is a Church lie.
Jesus went to the cross over it.
No, that's just you lying once again. Point to a passage in Scripture where Jesus says God is made up of three "persons."
Mat 28:19-20 -- AS I'VE POINTED OUT TO YOU SO MANY TIMES BEFORE.
That's you lying again. Show me when and where you did so "many times" before.
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Jesus certainly didn't teach His disciples that God was made-up of 3 yahooos
uh, I mean "people."
Heeheehee. No, 3 "persons".
per·son
/ˈpərs(ə)n/
noun
noun: person; plural noun: people; plural noun: persons; noun: first person; noun: second person; noun: third person

1.
a human being regarded as an individual.

So, God is made up of THREE "individual" Gods who are "human beings. Right.
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Wow, you are certifiably nuts.
'm not the one who believes ONE God is made-up of THREE Gods. YOU do! You feakin' nut.
You can run but you can't hide.
Forever talking stupid. What do you think you gain for being such an obstinate terd?

Gonna buy those Moe, Curly, and Larry dolls Walmart is having on sale Cyber Monday? They're all ONE Moe, Curly, and Larry doll. But since they form only ONE doll, Curly can't leave to go get crucified on a Roman cross--unless Moe and Larry go with him and they all three get crucified at the same time and on the same cross.

You don't think ONE God can turn into THREE independent beings and still be ONE being, do you? That would be simply nuts of you. But since you ARE nuts . . . .
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2018-11-25 16:59:48 UTC
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 16:10:21 -0800 (PST), Greywolf
Post by Greywolf
Post by duke
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Post by duke
Post by Greywolf
It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
He didn't. Trinitarianism is a Church lie.
Jesus went to the cross over it.
No, that's just you lying once again. Point to a passage in Scripture where Jesus says God is made up of three "persons."
Mat 28:19-20 -- AS I'VE POINTED OUT TO YOU SO MANY TIMES BEFORE.
That's you lying again. Show me when and where you did so "many times" before.
Constantly done so.
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Jesus certainly didn't teach His disciples that God was made-up of 3 yahooos
uh, I mean "people."
Heeheehee. No, 3 "persons".
per·son
/?p?rs(?)n/
noun
noun: person; plural noun: people; plural noun: persons; noun: first person; noun: second person; noun: third person
1.
a human being regarded as an individual.
So, God is made up of THREE "individual" Gods who are "human beings. Right.
Nope, you big dummy, 3 PERSONS
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Wow, you are certifiably nuts.
'm not the one who believes ONE God is made-up of THREE Gods. YOU do! You feakin' nut.
You can run but you can't hide.
Forever talking stupid. What do you think you gain for being such an obstinate terd?
See, you can't hide from your ignorance of "3 Gods".

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2018-11-26 03:22:38 UTC
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 16:10:21 -0800 (PST), Greywolf
Post by Greywolf
Post by duke
Post by Greywolf
Post by duke
Post by Greywolf
It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
He didn't. Trinitarianism is a Church lie.
Jesus went to the cross over it.
No, that's just you lying once again. Point to a passage in Scripture where Jesus says God is made up of three "persons."
Mat 28:19-20 -- AS I'VE POINTED OUT TO YOU SO MANY TIMES BEFORE.
That's you lying again. Show me when and where you did so "many times" before.
Constantly done so.
I didn't ask you to lie again. I asked you to SHOW me when and where.

What do you think you're perpetual lying achieves? Makes you a better "Christian" or something. You're just being a complete idiot, you know.
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Jesus certainly didn't teach His disciples that God was made-up of 3 yahooos
uh, I mean "people."
Heeheehee. No, 3 "persons".
per新on
/?p?rs(?)n/
noun
noun: person; plural noun: people; plural noun: persons; noun: first person; noun: second person; noun: third person
1.
a human being regarded as an individual.
So, God is made up of THREE "individual" Gods who are "human beings. Right.
Nope, you big dummy, 3 PERSONS
Didn't you see the definition? an "person" is a "human being," you imbecile.

Damn, are you ever pathetic. Your next of kin must be hiding under their beds out of shame as a result of your mockery of the Christian faith.

You haven't told them you're actually worshiping Satan with your diseased behavior, but just like to THINK it's God you're worshiping, have you?
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Wow, you are certifiably nuts.
'm not the one who believes ONE God is made-up of THREE Gods. YOU do! You feakin' nut.
You can run but you can't hide.
Forever talking stupid. What do you think you gain for being such an obstinate terd?
See, you can't hide from your ignorance of "3 Gods".
A "person" is a human being. Look it up, you retard. So, you're now claiming that God is made-up of 3 human beings? Which one's Moe and which one's Curly?
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2018-11-26 19:49:35 UTC
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 16:10:21 -0800 (PST), Greywolf
Post by Greywolf
Post by duke
Post by Greywolf
Post by duke
Post by Greywolf
It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
He didn't. Trinitarianism is a Church lie.
Jesus went to the cross over it.
No, that's just you lying once again. Point to a passage in Scripture where Jesus says God is made up of three "persons."
Mat 28:19-20 -- AS I'VE POINTED OUT TO YOU SO MANY TIMES BEFORE.
That's you lying again. Show me when and where you did so "many times" before.
Constantly done so.
I didn't ask you to lie again. I asked you to SHOW me when and where.
You were the victim. You already know.
Post by Greywolf
What do you think you're perpetual lying achieves? Makes you a better "Christian" or something. You're just being a complete idiot, you know.
Actually I never lie on the ng.
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Jesus certainly didn't teach His disciples that God was made-up of 3 yahooos
uh, I mean "people."
Heeheehee. No, 3 "persons".
per?on
/?p?rs(?)n/
noun
noun: person; plural noun: people; plural noun: persons; noun: first person; noun: second person; noun: third person
1.
a human being regarded as an individual.
So, God is made up of THREE "individual" Gods who are "human beings. Right.
Nope, you big dummy, 3 PERSONS
Didn't you see the definition? an "person" is a "human being," you imbecile.
Damn, are you ever pathetic. Your next of kin must be hiding under their beds out of shame as a result of your mockery of the Christian faith.
I can't believe you are this stupid.
Post by Greywolf
You haven't told them you're actually worshiping Satan with your diseased behavior, but just like to THINK it's God you're worshiping, have you?
Satan is your boy, not mine.
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Post by duke
Wow, you are certifiably nuts.
'm not the one who believes ONE God is made-up of THREE Gods. YOU do! You feakin' nut.
You can run but you can't hide.
Forever talking stupid. What do you think you gain for being such an obstinate terd?
See, you can't hide from your ignorance of "3 Gods".
A "person" is a human being. Look it up, you retard. So, you're now claiming that God is made-up of 3 human beings? Which one's Moe and which one's Curly?
Yep.

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duke
2018-11-25 13:48:09 UTC
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Post by Greywolf
It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
He didn't. Trinitarianism is a Church lie.
Jesus went to the cross over it.
No, that's just you lying once again. Point to a passage in Scripture where Jesus says God is made up of three "persons."
They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you. You really should try "atheistobserver.com". It
might help you in you understanding.

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2018-11-25 13:55:17 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
Kevrob
2018-11-25 15:25:16 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
disorder(previously known as multiple personality disorder):
one ghod with 3 alters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

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duke
2018-11-25 22:30:56 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
Except that the point you miss is that as all 3 divine, they were of one thought
only.

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v***@gmail.com
2018-11-25 22:59:47 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
Except that the point you miss is that as all 3 divine, they were of one thought
only.
One person can fill multiple roles. I was a naval officer, an accountant and a gun owner.
Mitchell Holman
2018-11-26 02:49:11 UTC
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One person can fill multiple roles. I was a naval officer, an
accountant and a gun owner.
Really? Prove it.






"The burden of proof lies with he who makes the claim"
Joe Bruno, Apr 5 2017
http://tinyurl.com/l7nqpkl
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2018-11-26 03:03:26 UTC
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One person can fill multiple roles. I was a naval officer, an
accountant and a gun owner.
Really? Prove it.
"The burden of proof lies with he who makes the claim"
Joe Bruno, Apr 5 2017
http://tinyurl.com/l7nqpkl
I said that discussion is closed.
Mitchell Holman
2018-11-26 13:56:27 UTC
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One person can fill multiple roles. I was a naval officer, an
accountant and a gun owner.
Really? Prove it.
"The burden of proof lies with he who makes the claim"
Joe Bruno, Apr 5 2017
http://tinyurl.com/l7nqpkl
I said that discussion is closed.
As you say, "EVIDENCE?????????"
v***@gmail.com
2018-11-27 13:00:27 UTC
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One person can fill multiple roles. I was a naval officer, an
accountant and a gun owner.
Really? Prove it.
"The burden of proof lies with he who makes the claim"
Joe Bruno, Apr 5 2017
http://tinyurl.com/l7nqpkl
I said that discussion is closed.
As you say, "EVIDENCE?????????"
That discussion is closed.
Tim
2018-11-27 21:29:43 UTC
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One person can fill multiple roles. I was a naval officer, an
accountant and a gun owner.
Really? Prove it.
"The burden of proof lies with he who makes the claim"
Joe Bruno, Apr 5 2017
http://tinyurl.com/l7nqpkl
I said that discussion is closed.
As you say, "EVIDENCE?????????"
That discussion is closed.
You mean you ran away from it, you spineless hypocritical cunt.
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2018-11-26 04:27:50 UTC
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One person can fill multiple roles. I was a naval officer, an
accountant and a gun owner.
Really? Prove it.
"The burden of proof lies with he who makes the claim"
Joe Bruno, Apr 5 2017
http://tinyurl.com/l7nqpkl
Didn't he say he didn't get beyond a Lt (JG)? And that this took him a
year longer than most?
v***@gmail.com
2018-11-26 09:07:16 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
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One person can fill multiple roles. I was a naval officer, an
accountant and a gun owner.
Really? Prove it.
"The burden of proof lies with he who makes the claim"
Joe Bruno, Apr 5 2017
http://tinyurl.com/l7nqpkl
Didn't he say he didn't get beyond a Lt (JG)? And that this took him a
year longer than most?
Actually, I was promoted to Grand Highness Imperial Admiral of the Turkish Navy in 1921.

Now, go ahead and tell everybody about it.
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2018-11-26 21:51:07 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
Except that the point you miss is that as all 3 divine, they were of one thought
only.
One person can fill multiple roles. I was a naval officer, an accountant and a gun owner.
Grey has a hard time grasping such things.

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2018-11-25 22:56:44 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
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a.a #2310
Show us a Psychiatrist who agrees with that. You ain't qualified to diagnose shit.
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2018-11-26 09:04:08 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
---
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Yes, split characters...a very serious mental disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amazing Answers
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
---
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Yes, split characters...a very serious mental disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're one emoting character.
Tim
2018-11-26 15:10:38 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
---
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Yes, split characters...a very serious mental disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're one emoting character.
You're a donkey brain.
Amazing Answers
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
---
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Yes, split characters...a very serious mental disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're one emoting character.
You're a donkey brain.
you're throwing stones.
Tim
2018-11-27 11:04:51 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
---
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Yes, split characters...a very serious mental disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're one emoting character.
You're a donkey brain.
you're throwing stones.
No, you're letting facts make you emotional, donkey brained fake christer.
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
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Kevin R
a.a #2310
Yes, split characters...a very serious mental disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're one emoting character.
You're a donkey brain.
you're throwing stones.
No, you're letting facts make you emotional, donkey brained fake christer.
You're letting your emotions get ahold of you.
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2018-11-27 21:30:12 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
---
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Yes, split characters...a very serious mental disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're one emoting character.
You're a donkey brain.
you're throwing stones.
No, you're letting facts make you emotional, donkey brained fake christer.
You're letting your emotions get ahold of you.
You've let stupidity be your guide and master.
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2018-11-28 00:12:47 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
---
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Yes, split characters...a very serious mental disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're one emoting character.
You're a donkey brain.
you're throwing stones.
No, you're letting facts make you emotional, donkey brained fake christer.
You're letting your emotions get ahold of you.
You've let stupidity be your guide and master.
You're the one using emotions. Use logic.
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2018-11-28 10:33:42 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
---
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Yes, split characters...a very serious mental disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're one emoting character.
You're a donkey brain.
you're throwing stones.
No, you're letting facts make you emotional, donkey brained fake christer.
You're letting your emotions get ahold of you.
You've let stupidity be your guide and master.
You're the one using emotions. Use logic.
Logic doesn't work on stupid people like you, fake christer.
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there. And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
There's the idea that Yahooey suffers from dissociative identity
one ghod with 3 alters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder
---
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Yes, split characters...a very serious mental disorder!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're one emoting character.
You're a donkey brain.
you're throwing stones.
No, you're letting facts make you emotional, donkey brained fake christer.
You're letting your emotions get ahold of you.
You've let stupidity be your guide and master.
You're the one using emotions. Use logic.
He doesn't know what that word means. This is triangle we're talking about.

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2018-11-25 22:29:56 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there.
But Jesus became flesh, fully flesh, and thus as man did not know the date.

Clearly you can't wrap your head around Jesus was man for 33 years, and it
wasn't until the end of his 3 years ministry that he likely learned of his true
mission and that maybe, just maybe, he began to grasp who he really was.

Simply put, if you can't grok Jesus as flesh, you'll never understand.
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And if one might be
forgiven for blaspheming God the Son, but not for blaspheming God the
Holy Spirit, that's three gods right there.
Of course, but the 2nd person if the triune Godhead spent 33 years living as
only flesh in the body. The entire idea is for flesh to teach flesh the ways of
God to man. The first covenant of God teaching flesh did not do well.

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2018-11-25 22:40:18 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there.
But Jesus became flesh, fully flesh, and thus as man did not know the date.
He burned the cookies too, LOL!!! And his inbred dad didn't do a goddamned thing when the half Catholic half Jew Hitler burned 6,000,000 of his special ones. Fuck off you stupid twat.

<remaining christer drek flushed>
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there.
But Jesus became flesh, fully flesh, and thus as man did not know the date.
He burned the cookies too, LOL!!! And his inbred dad didn't do a goddamned thing when the half Catholic half Jew Hitler burned 6,000,000 of his special ones. Fuck off you stupid twat.
<remaining christer drek flushed>
Hitler's mother was not a Jew, so he was not a Jew. You're lying again.
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you.
But if God the Father knows the timing of the Day of the Lord, but God
the Son does not, then that's two gods right there.
But Jesus became flesh, fully flesh, and thus as man did not know the date.
He burned the cookies too, LOL!!! And his inbred dad didn't do a goddamned thing when the half Catholic half Jew Hitler burned 6,000,000 of his special ones. Fuck off you stupid twat.
Wow, this sucker really missed the boat.

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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
He didn't. Trinitarianism is a Church lie.
Jesus went to the cross over it.
No, that's just you lying once again. Point to a passage in Scripture where Jesus says God is made up of three "persons."
They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you. You really should try "atheistobserver.com". It
might help you in you understanding.
How did the fucking writer knew that????????????????
We know they are lying shits.........
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2018-11-26 21:53:41 UTC
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They 're not 3 God but one God in 3 persons. But you know that as many times as
I've explained it to you. You really should try "atheistobserver.com". It
might help you in you understanding.
How did the fucking writer knew that????????????????
Grey, you want to answer that one.

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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
I think it is more like a 3-headed creature that is your pixie...
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
I think it is more like a 3-headed creature that is your pixie...
There are no 3-headed creatures except in a freak show. Weren't you a worker at
one?

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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
If jebus is god, and people saw jebus, why do you keep saying that no man has ever seen god?

I know why. Because you're an idiot, a fat idiot with the mind of a retarded child.
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
If jebus is god, and people saw jebus, why do you keep saying that no man has ever seen god?
I know why. Because you're an idiot, a fat idiot with the mind of a retarded child.
Jesus, according to the Christians is the Son of God. dimwit.
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
If jebus is god, and people saw jebus, why do you keep saying that no man has ever seen god?
I know why. Because you're an idiot, a fat idiot with the mind of a retarded child.
Jesus, according to the Christians is the Son of God. dimwit.
Not according to these twits:

https://www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org/triune-god.htm

And not according to what fat earl said.

You can't read, you stupid cunt.
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
If jebus is god, and people saw jebus, why do you keep saying that no man has ever seen god?
I know why. Because you're an idiot, a fat idiot with the mind of a retarded child.
Jesus, according to the Christians is the Son of God. dimwit.
Show us the evidence that there is a pixie!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's based on patently flagrant lies piled atop one another. And when it comes to Trinitarian Christianity,
The Church claiming three Gods are only one God makes their incredibly stupid and gullible patsies
all the more stupid and gullible.
If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
If jebus is god, and people saw jebus, why do you keep saying that no man has ever seen god?
I know why. Because you're an idiot, a fat idiot with the mind of a retarded child.
Jesus, according to the Christians is the Son of God. dimwit.
Show us the evidence that there is a pixie!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stupid yap is too immature to grow up. And until he can show it, there is not
point is doing anything but ignoring him.

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2018-11-22 16:14:16 UTC
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If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
Jesus explicitly denied that he was God.

Matthew 19:17 ...Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one,
that is, God...
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2018-11-22 17:35:10 UTC
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If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
Jesus explicitly denied that he was God.
Matthew 19:17 ...Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one,
that is, God...
Wrong again. You pretend too much. You keep exposing yourself as a liar.

But I'm not complaining. I enjoy watching you being an idiot.




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If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
Jesus explicitly denied that he was God.
Matthew 19:17 ...Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one,
that is, God...
Wrong again. You pretend too much. You keep exposing yourself as a liar.
But I'm not complaining. I enjoy watching you being an idiot.
She is.

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If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
Jesus explicitly denied that he was God.
Matthew 19:17 ...Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one,
that is, God...
You dummy. That's one of the reasons that supports Jesus as fully man who
didn't come to understand who he truly was until just before the cross.

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If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
Jesus explicitly denied that he was God.
Matthew 19:17 ...Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one,
that is, God...
You dummy. That's one of the reasons that supports Jesus as fully man who
didn't come to understand who he truly was until just before the cross.
Gods are omniscient, Duke. If Jesus didn't know something, then he
wasn't God. If he became God just before the cross, then he still
wasn't God because Gods are also eternal. You don't turn God on and off.
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If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
Jesus explicitly denied that he was God.
Matthew 19:17 ...Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one,
that is, God...
You dummy. That's one of the reasons that supports Jesus as fully man who
didn't come to understand who he truly was until just before the cross.
Gods are omniscient, Duke. If Jesus didn't know something, then he
wasn't God. If he became God just before the cross, then he still
wasn't God because Gods are also eternal. You don't turn God on and off.
Tim got emotional.
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God is omniscient. If Jesus didn't know something, then he
wasn't God. If he became God just before the cross, then he still
wasn't God because Gods are also eternal. You don't turn God on and off.
We don't because we can't. But He can, and He did.

"Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God
a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a
servant, being born in the likeness of men."
[Philippians 2:6,7]

https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/did-jesus-diminish-his-divine-power-to-become-human

You're not a very good theologian, although you pretend to be one.

You're more like a cultist.
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God is omniscient. If Jesus didn't know something, then he
wasn't God. If he became God just before the cross, then he still
wasn't God because Gods are also eternal. You don't turn God on and off.
We don't because we can't. But He can, and He did.
"Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God
a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a
servant, being born in the likeness of men."
[Philippians 2:6,7]
https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/did-jesus-diminish-his-divine-power-to-become-human
You're not a very good theologian, although you pretend to be one.
You're more like a cultist.
___________

And you like a brainwashed, religiously-diseased victim of Christianity's lies.

Read this: It deals with Philippians 2:7 and the Kenosis Argument:

https://theatheistobserver.com/2018/05/10/the-god-jesus-on-the-date-of-his-second-coming-part-1/
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God is omniscient. If Jesus didn't know something, then he
wasn't God. If he became God just before the cross, then he still
wasn't God because Gods are also eternal. You don't turn God on and off.
We don't because we can't. But He can, and He did.
"Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God
a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a
servant, being born in the likeness of men."
[Philippians 2:6,7]
https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/did-jesus-diminish-his-divine-power-to-become-human
You're not a very good theologian, although you pretend to be one.
You're more like a cultist.
___________
And you like a brainwashed, religiously-diseased victim of Christianity's lies.
Yep, quoted it man times TO THIS VERY NG..

Philippians 2:6-7 New International Version (NIV)
6
Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own
advantage;
7
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

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2018-11-26 03:31:00 UTC
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God is omniscient. If Jesus didn't know something, then he
wasn't God. If he became God just before the cross, then he still
wasn't God because Gods are also eternal. You don't turn God on and off.
We don't because we can't. But He can, and He did.
"Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God
a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a
servant, being born in the likeness of men."
[Philippians 2:6,7]
https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/did-jesus-diminish-his-divine-power-to-become-human
You're not a very good theologian, although you pretend to be one.
You're more like a cultist.
___________
And you like a brainwashed, religiously-diseased victim of Christianity's lies.
Yep, quoted it man times TO THIS VERY NG..
When and where?
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Philippians 2:6-7 New International Version (NIV)
6
Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own
advantage;
7
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
You didn't read the two-part article, did you?

Jesus was BORN a hybrid God-Man and was God *throughout* His time on earth. There is no way a God turns Himself into a non-God and, at the same time, perform miracles--like walking on water, raising dead people to life, and causing fig trees to wither and die through force of will.

Explain just how a God turns Himself into a non-God while remaining a God.
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Post by Bob
God is omniscient. If Jesus didn't know something, then he
wasn't God. If he became God just before the cross, then he still
wasn't God because Gods are also eternal. You don't turn God on and off.
We don't because we can't. But He can, and He did.
"Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God
a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a
servant, being born in the likeness of men."
[Philippians 2:6,7]
https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/did-jesus-diminish-his-divine-power-to-become-human
You're not a very good theologian, although you pretend to be one.
You're more like a cultist.
___________
And you like a brainwashed, religiously-diseased victim of Christianity's lies.
Yep, quoted it man times TO THIS VERY NG..
When and where?
This ng and many, many times.

Here is another time.
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Philippians 2:6-7 New International Version (NIV)
6
Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own
advantage;
7
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
You didn't read the two-part article, did you?
Jesus was BORN a hybrid God-Man and was God *throughout* His time on earth.
The issue is not what he was but what he showed to other men. The were
impressed with the man Jesus who was seen only as a man.
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There is no way a God turns Himself into a non-God and, at the same time, perform miracles
That's just it. He didn't perform magic tricks.
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Explain just how a God turns Himself into a non-God while remaining a God.
He hid it, just like you hide your intelligence.

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God is omniscient. If Jesus didn't know something, then he
wasn't God. If he became God just before the cross, then he still
wasn't God because Gods are also eternal. You don't turn God on and off.
We don't because we can't. But He can, and He did.
"Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God
a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a
servant, being born in the likeness of men."
[Philippians 2:6,7]
https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/did-jesus-diminish-his-divine-power-to-become-human
You're not a very good theologian, although you pretend to be one.
You're more like a cultist.
Said the member of the cult of Calvin.

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Yap Honghor
2018-11-25 11:47:08 UTC
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Post by Bob
God is omniscient. If Jesus didn't know something, then he
wasn't God. If he became God just before the cross, then he still
wasn't God because Gods are also eternal. You don't turn God on and off.
We don't because we can't. But He can, and He did.
Believers are cheating themselves, so it is ok!!!
Post by Bob
"Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God
a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a
servant, being born in the likeness of men."
[Philippians 2:6,7]
https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/did-jesus-diminish-his-divine-power-to-become-human
You're not a very good theologian, although you pretend to be one.
You're more like a cultist.
duke
2018-11-24 20:18:29 UTC
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If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
Jesus explicitly denied that he was God.
Matthew 19:17 ...Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one,
that is, God...
You dummy. That's one of the reasons that supports Jesus as fully man who
didn't come to understand who he truly was until just before the cross.
Gods are omniscient, Duke.
Almighty God clearly is.
Post by linuxgal
If Jesus didn't know something, then he
wasn't God. If he became God just before the cross, then he still
wasn't God because Gods are also eternal. You don't turn God on and off.
God always was, is and will be. But God became flesh to teach flesh the truth.

the dukester, American-American


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the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
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Yap Honghor
2018-11-25 11:48:44 UTC
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If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
Jesus explicitly denied that he was God.
Matthew 19:17 ...Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one,
that is, God...
You dummy. That's one of the reasons that supports Jesus as fully man who
didn't come to understand who he truly was until just before the cross.
Gods are omniscient, Duke.
Almighty God clearly is.
There is no stupid pixie.......
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Post by linuxgal
If Jesus didn't know something, then he
wasn't God. If he became God just before the cross, then he still
wasn't God because Gods are also eternal. You don't turn God on and off.
God always was, is and will be. But God became flesh to teach flesh the truth.
Cling onto your nonsense, for your own sake!
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the dukester, American-American
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the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
*****
duke
2018-11-25 17:01:24 UTC
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If the "triune Godhead" is not true, why did Jesus Christ give it to us.
Jesus explicitly denied that he was God.
Matthew 19:17 ...Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one,
that is, God...
You dummy. That's one of the reasons that supports Jesus as fully man who
didn't come to understand who he truly was until just before the cross.
Gods are omniscient, Duke.
Almighty God clearly is.
There is no stupid pixie.......
I know. As many times as I've told you that, you still don't get it.
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If Jesus didn't know something, then he
wasn't God. If he became God just before the cross, then he still
wasn't God because Gods are also eternal. You don't turn God on and off.
God always was, is and will be. But God became flesh to teach flesh the truth.
Try the 4 gospels.

the dukester, American-American


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The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
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2018-11-20 22:51:41 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Meaningless.
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Meaningless.
See, for theists, an excellent piece of message is meaningless........
Theists never like to reflect on their evil religious intention.
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Meaningless.
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Meaningless.
________________
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You just distorted what I said-another lie..
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2018-11-21 02:21:54 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Good message!!!!!!!
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the
same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
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So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Good message!!!!!!!
You just got a blow job from a pagan, didn't you.

the dukester, American-American


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The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
*****
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil葉hat takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the
same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Good message!!!!!!!
You just got a blow job from a pagan, didn't you.
You theists are so stupid that you can never agree to anything beautiful, let alone logical message!!!!!!!!
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2018-11-23 22:01:01 UTC
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For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Good message!!!!!!!
You just got a blow job from a pagan, didn't you.
You theists are so stupid that you can never agree to anything beautiful, let alone logical message!!!!!!!!
Stupid asses like you can never support your make up lies.

the dukester, American-American


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the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
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Tim
2018-11-22 11:45:47 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil葉hat takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the
same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
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So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Good message!!!!!!!
You just got a blow job from a pagan, didn't you.
You just gave a diddler priest a blow job, fat fag.
duke
2018-11-21 21:57:30 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings
(of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages,
we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more
efficient ways to do the good.
You actually had a secret meeting with satan to be suckered in with that, didn't
you!!!

the dukester, American-American


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The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
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2018-11-22 16:50:50 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings
(of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages,
we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more
efficient ways to do the good.
You actually had a secret meeting with satan to be suckered in with that, didn't
you!!!
That fucker owes me money. What's the use of being in the pay of Satan
when the bastard takes his own sweet time cutting the checks?
duke
2018-11-23 22:01:48 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings
(of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages,
we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more
efficient ways to do the good.
You actually had a secret meeting with satan to be suckered in with that, didn't
you!!!
That fucker owes me money. What's the use of being in the pay of Satan
when the bastard takes his own sweet time cutting the checks?
You should have know better just using my words as support..

the dukester, American-American


*****
The Purpose of the NT Word of God is not to inform as it did in
the OT,but instead to form us in the very image of Jesus Christ.
*****
Tim
2018-11-23 22:11:21 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings
(of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages,
we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more
efficient ways to do the good.
You actually had a secret meeting with satan to be suckered in with that, didn't
you!!!
That fucker owes me money. What's the use of being in the pay of Satan
when the bastard takes his own sweet time cutting the checks?
You should have know better just using my words as support..
Lol! You can't even write a grammatical sentence, you fat dotard.
v***@gmail.com
2018-11-23 22:23:35 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings
(of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages,
we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more
efficient ways to do the good.
You actually had a secret meeting with satan to be suckered in with that, didn't
you!!!
That fucker owes me money. What's the use of being in the pay of Satan
when the bastard takes his own sweet time cutting the checks?
You should have know better just using my words as support..
Lol! You can't even write a grammatical sentence, you fat dotard.
Look who's talking.
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2018-11-23 22:26:47 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings
(of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages,
we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more
efficient ways to do the good.
You actually had a secret meeting with satan to be suckered in with that, didn't
you!!!
That fucker owes me money. What's the use of being in the pay of Satan
when the bastard takes his own sweet time cutting the checks?
You should have know better just using my words as support..
Lol! You can't even write a grammatical sentence, you fat dotard.
Look who's talking.
Says the dope who posts in capitals, like an idiot.
Amazing Answers
2018-11-24 11:25:22 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings
(of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages,
we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more
efficient ways to do the good.
You actually had a secret meeting with satan to be suckered in with that, didn't
you!!!
That fucker owes me money. What's the use of being in the pay of Satan
when the bastard takes his own sweet time cutting the checks?
You should have know better just using my words as support..
Lol! You can't even write a grammatical sentence, you fat dotard.
Look who's talking.
Says the dope who posts in capitals, like an idiot.
you got emotional over that.
Amazing Answers
2018-11-22 11:33:08 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Sounds like you don't understand Christianity.
Tim
2018-11-22 11:47:16 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Sounds like you don't understand Christianity.
Sounds like what he said made you emotional. MAybe you should stick to praying for lawn tools, fake christer tool.
Amazing Answers
2018-11-22 21:37:17 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Sounds like you don't understand Christianity.
Sounds like what he said made you emotional. MAybe you should stick to praying for lawn tools, fake christer tool.
maybe that would be a waste of time. maybe your response was emotionally based.
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2018-11-22 22:46:38 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Sounds like you don't understand Christianity.
Sounds like what he said made you emotional. MAybe you should stick to praying for lawn tools, fake christer tool.
maybe that would be a waste of time.
Why? You claim it worked for you, lying fake christer.
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maybe your response was emotionally based.
Yours always are, it's all you ever talk about, well that and lies about praying, and noah's myth.
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2018-11-22 12:19:26 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Sounds like you don't understand Christianity.
None of the atheists do.
Tim
2018-11-22 12:39:50 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Sounds like you don't understand Christianity.
None of the atheists do.
Evidence?

<crickets>
Yap Honghor
2018-11-24 09:47:29 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Sounds like you don't understand Christianity.
None of the atheists do.
We understand that your Christianity is an evil con religion!!!!!!!!!!!

And no theist here is able to dispute the facts presented in Cloud's post...not a single one!!!!!!!
duke
2018-11-24 20:44:55 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
And also, because it defines holiness by conformity to their assumed characters of God which they describe as a stupid psychopath and bloody tyrant. Indeed, why do Christians claim to believe that God's characters include "justice" and "goodness", if by "justice" they mean cruelty (desire to send us all to hell for "our sins" that he let us no decent choice to avoid by the way He created us), and by "goodness" they mean injustice (punishing Somebody else instead of us and judging us on our faith rather than our deeds) ?
See more about God's characters
"The thesis of this essay is that even if a God as described in the Bible does exist, he is not fit for worship.
If I had undeniable proof of the existence of Yahweh (...), I still would not worship the bastard. My primary reason for not being a Christian (...) is that the Bible is a disgusting book describing the behavior of a god without the morality of the average high school student."
The Biblical God does everything to mean that he wants to be worshiped and wants people to remain sorts of sheep and children that cannot do anything on their own but remain under His close dependence and necessity to pray for anything, rather than to do any decently efficient good that would let us free and independent. And usually for terrible results.
All this in direct contradiction with other claims of the same doctrine, that God is also such a devout worshiper of our absolute freedom, that he'll prefer to let "us" (or rather the natural course of things) destroy the Earth in the name of His kindness and absolute respect of our freedom, rather than bring any assistance to stop the plague.
Here is Weinberg's view on Christianity.
"The prestige of religion seems today to derive from what people take to be its moral influence, rather than from what they may think has been its success in accounting for what we see in nature. Conversely, I have to admit that, although I really don't believe in a cosmic designer, the reason that I am taking the trouble to argue about it is that I think that on balance the moral influence of religion has been awful.
This is much too big a question to be settled here. On one side, I could point out endless examples of the harm done by religious enthusiasm, through a long history of pogroms, crusades, and jihads. (...) On the other side, many admirers of religion would set countless examples of the good done by religion. For instance, in his recent book Imagined Worlds, the distinguished physicist Freeman Dyson has emphasized the role of religious belief in the suppression of slavery.
(...)
Where religion did make a difference, it was more in support of slavery than in opposition to it. Arguments from scripture were used in Parliament to defend the slave trade. Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery (...) she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
(However I would not agree with him that religion is the only way for good people to do evil; I think this happens naturally in many ways, but only that religions, including Marxism, contribute to make these risks worse and more systematic)
Of course, most Christians will strongly disagree with such a judgement, have no clue what it can be based on, and claim it must be unjustified. Without trying to be exhaustive, let's give a few clues and references on the issue.
Christians are blind to the consequences of preaching the Gospel on people's lives. They claim that Jesus will change their life for the better, but this is a mere belief in the usefulness of their religion for people's lives or social sustainability through its morality standards, but this is just what they guess things should be if they were right, unsupported by any observational evidence. While some people have positive testimonies (genuine or just for being praised by other Christians ?), they will never want to understand or admit the devastating consequences it may produce as well, that is the Religious Trauma Syndrome.
Then, instead of admitting their fault in the trauma they caused to the people whose trust they (sincerely) abused by telling (holy) lies in God's name, they systematically reject the fault on their victims. So, behind their childish belief in the idea that they have a religion of forgiveness, the truth is that they make the innocent victims of their own wrong actions feel terribly guilty. Here is a testimony about this.
Earth: a gift from
GodMost of Christianity promotes homophobia (which in particular led to the death of one of the founders of computer science)
Christianity deletes or at least direly underestimate the concern for the protection of the environment, that is our heritage from millions of years of evolution that is being irreversibly destroyed just now for the millions of years to come, with as an only justification (whenever they bother justifying themselves) their arbitrary belief that Jesus will soon come back and destroy the Earth with all its contents anyway.
Religion generates despise and social exclusion against those who dare have the misfortune to think sanely and rationally, treated as the enemies of God, guilty of "pride" or whatever. In the same way it can also make a trouble to the chances for serious people to find love, either in the same way (through social exclusion) or by denying the difficulty and taking too seriously the call for trust in God.
Christianity delayed the development of science in Europe for about a millennium (in the middle ages).
There are a number of Christian terrorist organizations: IRA, KKK, anti-abortion terrorism; and in the past, of course, crusades and killings of heretics and "witches".
More generally, here is a list of examples of wrong actions that Christianity generates.
Christians usually dismiss cases of wrong things done in the name of Christianity, as not Christian, just because, for them, Christianity is just about doing right things (but then, why isn't the Bible reduced to the simple command "Act good" ? what is the proof that its teachings aren't leading to do the wrong things, if its contents had to be revealed by God rather than logically and provably deduced from this simple command ?)
But, let us remember what was the motivation for what is currently seen as one of the most indefensible actions make by the Church long ago : crusades and burning "witches". Why did they do it ? Their argument was that they are burning people to save them from hell because, with their heresy or practices they would otherwise go to hell. So, Christians thought: if I were in their place, I would much prefer to be burnt this way for my salvation, rather than live and be doomed to hell.
So, Christians of that time were strictly following the golden rule: do to others what you would like others to do for you. They had no bad intention at all. They were just sincerely trying to follow God's will. You can accuse those crusaders of anything, but not of being bad in themselves, nor of refusing to obey God's will. And they had no way to guess that God's will was anything else than this.
This illustrates a very general point: that acting good is often not a matter of intention or of being good in oneself, but of having the right information on the world.
Still, most Christians remain blind to this.
There is no point to try to understand anything about the world because it is trivial: holiness is a matter of simple-mindedness, so that the only way to the truth is the one of childishness and oversimplification
For everybody, the right thing to do is trivial, given by God's will and directly put by Him under their eyes; or, it would be impossible for man to have any reliable clue about right or wrong unless it is dictated to him by God.
There is no other possible cause or influence to human suffering, than the direct will by men to do the wrong thing; nothing can stop bad people from doing wrong things, as long as they remain the same in their hearts
God is so generous that he will let bad people do their wrong actions
The idea that any suffering could be caused by anything else than people's wrong intentions, or would be unnecessary with some given set of human bad intentions or imperfections, would be an intolerable blasphemy (suspicion that God did not create everything perfect with a perfect freedom for us to do and live exactly what we intend to), and must thus be rejected
Ifever any well-intended people do something wrong, it does not matter and we should not think about it because these people and anybody they happened to hurt will go to heaven anyway. Or, if what they did was really wrong, then they were in fact bad people
Thus, human suffering testifies that the world is full of big bad wolves, and all the problem is here
Thus, the only good thing to do for the world is to try to change big bad wolves into sheep. Or better (since the latter would be impossible), to change big bad wolves into forgiven big bad wolves, who will keep making this world a hell like now but will go to heaven anyway instead of the hell they deserve)
The one, only and efficient way to change big bad wolves into sheep forgiven big bad wolves is to pray for them and preach them the gospel
The development of this exclusive obsession and crusade towards everybody becoming good in themselves forgiven for their badness, is the one and only way to be good in oneself;
Any care outside the values of the heart and intentionality, would be evil (make people the enemies of moral values, or an intolerable insult to the people who focus on the heart and intentionality that would be accused of something else than their intentions, which is an inconceivable criticism); any claim to understand anything else about the world, any plan to help it in any other way, would mean hubris and a revolt against God's will;
Such a pride is one of the main evils in the world.
But their blindness to the difference between intentions and the consequences of actions, is leading them to actions focused on good intentions that ignore their real consequences worse and worse (because, for them, intentions are all what matters to please God and reach heaven while complex rational understanding of other cause-to-effect relationships has no spiritual value), which worsens the ignored problem. How the hell can then God judge people who were led by previous false teachings, to "sincerely" dedicate their good will to spread these false teachings and do the wrong things (by mistaking them with the right things) and to make the world's sufferings worse and worse out of blindness and unconsciousness by/for making the navel of their own hearts holier and holier (more selfless in their self) ? What a terrible conundrum they are giving Him to handle in this way ! Only God knows how to cope with it :-( And if there is no God but just karma or whatever, the problem is
the same: the question of right and wrong makes no more sense. Indeed what is a good action when good intentions produce bad consequences ? Maybe the bad consequences should be no more understood as coming from men, but from a natural disaster (the sociocultural force of memes) that controls humans actions like puppets.
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So, religions save human responsibility with respect to suffering, by abandoning the world to a natural (cultural) disaster. Yeah right. Good or bad ? So, humans suffer more of the consequences of actions which are no more theirs (but those of the memes that control them) but will go to heaven anyway because their heart is purified. Wonderful.
So, Christianity (as well as many other religions and non-religions), misinterprets morality as an intrinsic character: as a matter of being rather than having (to be good in oneself, rather than to have done actions that have useful consequences on the well-being of others). It insists on principles but cannot operate correctly the application of these principles in concrete situations. What's the point of insisting on morality principles if their application turns out to be selfish (to the improvement of one's virtue and intentions) and failing to fulfil the object of those very intention (the well-being of others) ?
For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
Sounds like you don't understand Christianity.
None of the atheists do.
We understand that your Christianity is an evil con religion!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, Joe. Can I laugh at him for you?
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And no theist here is able to dispute the facts presented in Cloud's post...not a single one!!!!!!!
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2018-11-28 10:22:01 UTC
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Why Christianity is Evil
Christianity is evil, because its beliefs and practices do produce much sufferings (of course while never intending to do any evil, but rather as collateral damages, we may say), and distract well-intended people from searching for better or more efficient ways to do the good.
Let's see the evidence.
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For example, one of the intended lessons of Christianity is to value love and sacrifice, give to the poor and respect the miserable. However in practice (like many others), Christians usually don't share love but mock and despise the poor in love. Their principle of self-sacrifice turns out to be reduced to empty words, failing to meet its practical chances of applications.
See also in links, in particular "Atheists and Anger"
So? Humans are not perfect. Christians have a moral code, which puts them way above you.
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2018-11-28 14:03:47 UTC
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Christians have a moral code, which puts
them way above you.
And what a great moral code it is.........




"We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the
ideals of Christianty. Our movement is Christian"
Adolf Hitler, Oct 27 1928
Christopher A. Lee
2018-11-28 14:07:32 UTC
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Christians have a moral code, which puts
them way above you.
And what a great moral code it is.........
When do they ever live up to their claimed "moral code"?

They ignore it except to beat others over the head with it.
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"We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the
ideals of Christianty. Our movement is Christian"
Adolf Hitler, Oct 27 1928
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want
you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good. … Our
goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by
God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want
pluralism." - Randall Terry
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2018-11-28 15:46:29 UTC
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Christians have a moral code, which puts
them way above you.
And what a great moral code it is.........
When do they ever live up to their claimed "moral code"?
They ignore it except to beat others over the head with it.
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"We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the
ideals of Christianty. Our movement is Christian"
Adolf Hitler, Oct 27 1928
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want
you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good. … Our
goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by
God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want
pluralism." - Randall Terry
ROTFL! ...and you think that is according to Christianity?
HAHAHAHAHA! You can't be that STUPID.
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2018-11-28 16:38:34 UTC
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Christians have a moral code, which puts
them way above you.
And what a great moral code it is.........
When do they ever live up to their claimed "moral code"?
The great majority have never been in prison.

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2018-11-28 14:13:49 UTC
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"We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the
ideals of Christianty. Our movement is Christian"
Adolf Hitler, Oct 27 1928
Politicians will say anything to attract voters, especially if they're a
Socialist.

"In Hitler's early political statements, he attempted to express himself
to the German public as a Christian. In his book Mein Kampf and in
public speeches prior to and in the early years of his rule, he
described himself as a Christian. Hitler and the Nazi party promoted
"Positive Christianity", a movement which rejected most traditional
Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as Jewish
elements such as the Old Testament. In one widely quoted remark, he
described Jesus as an "Aryan fighter" who struggled against "the power
and pretensions of the corrupt Pharisees" and Jewish materialism.

While a small minority of historians accept these publicly stated views
as genuine expressions of his spirituality, the vast majority believe
that Hitler was skeptical of religion and anti-Christian, but recognized
that he could only be elected and preserve his political power if he
feigned a commitment to and belief in Christianity, which the
overwhelming majority of Germans believed in."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler)
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2018-11-28 15:43:56 UTC
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Christians have a moral code, which puts
them way above you.
And what a great moral code it is.........
"We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the
ideals of Christianty. Our movement is Christian"
Adolf Hitler, Oct 27 1928
That was before the Nazis persecuted the churches.
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