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WHEN ATHEISTS GET INTO POLITICAL POWER
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Jahnu
2018-09-27 01:15:29 UTC
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Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
Europe. When the atheists took over in 1917 they very quickly ran that
mighty country on it's ass into some impoverished condition. Russia
used to be full of natural resources and minerals and Ukraine used to
produce grains for the entire Europe. Ukraine had the most splendid
farm-soil in the whole world. After being under the rule of atheism,
in a mere 70 years that country was reduced to a wasteland.

As soon as atheists rise to political power, they immediately create a
totalitarian, fascist state. Recent history is abundant with examples
of this - China, Soviet Union, Cambodia and North Korea.

Atheists like to point to religion as the cause of all evil, but the
fact is that the most psychopathic, insane mass murders in recent
human history were all professed atheists - Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot etc.

There is nothing mother Nature hates more than atheism. She refuses to
corporate with an atheistic government. That's why she is in the
process of removing the modern Coca-cola culture from her surface.

According to the Vedic teachings there is a natural progression in
human society of dharma, artha, kama, moksha - religion, wealth,
sense-enjoyment and liberation. There can be no wealth without some
type of sacrifice or religion, and without wealth there'll be no
enjoyment. And after having enjoyed ample wealth, and then realized
that it anyway does not make one happy, one may seek liberation.

The western wealth and rise to world dominion was clearly a result of
Christian dharma, however primitive and incomplete that religion is.
Now as the western culture is discarding it's religion, it's wealth is
being diminished and removed. This is not an idea or a theory, it is a
direct observable fact. To the same degree that modern society
discards its religion, to the same degree everything falls apart.

But materialists don't see this. Why? Because they are simply too
ignorant and deluded to actually notice what goes on in the world
around them. According to them, everything is just random chance and
in the short time you have in this life, it behooves you to enjoy as
much as possible. I mean, how ignorant can the present civilization
get? They slaughter other living entities wantonly for profit. They
actually kill living entities by the millions daily on assembly lines
in automated death-factories. Each second on the planet, a woman or a
child is being raped or murdered. And you think there will be no
consequences to such mindless atrocities, that death will offer you
eternal peace? But that's what happens when atheists get into
governmental power, they very quickly destroy everything.

Mother Nature will punish such a psychotic society, and that's what's
happening in the world right now, as we speak. Indeed, death will be a
rude awakening for the atheist.

Vishnu says:

When one is envious of the demigods, who represent the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, of the Vedas, which give all knowledge, of the
cows, brahmanas, Vaisnavas and religious principles, and ultimately of
Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he and his civilization will
be vanquished without delay. -- Srimad Bhagavatam 7.4.27

Krishna says:

In the beginning of creation, the Lord of all creatures sent forth
generations of men and demigods, along with sacrifices for Vishnu, and
blessed them by saying, "Be thou happy by this yajïa [sacrifice]
because its performance will bestow upon you everything desirable for
living happily and achieving liberation. (Bg. 3.11)

The demigods, being pleased by sacrifices, will also please you, and
thus, by cooperation between men and demigods, prosperity will reign
for all.

In charge of the various necessities of life, the demigods, being
satisfied by the performance of yajïa [sacrifice], will supply all
necessities to you. But he who enjoys such gifts without offering them
to the demigods in return is certainly a thief. (Bg. 3.12)

The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because
they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who
prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin. (Bg.
3.13)

All living bodies subsist on food grains, which are produced from
rains. Rains are produced by performance of yajna [sacrifice], and
yajna is born of prescribed duties. (Bg. 3.14)

Regulated activities are prescribed in the Vedas, and the Vedas are
directly manifested from the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Consequently the all-pervading Transcendence is eternally situated in
acts of sacrifice. (Bg. 3.15)

My dear Arjuna, one who does not follow in human life the cycle of
sacrifice thus established by the Vedas certainly leads a life full of
sin. Living only for the satisfaction of the senses, such a person
lives in vain. (Bg. 3.16)



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Cloud Hobbit
2018-09-27 01:20:05 UTC
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Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
Europe. When the atheists took over in 1917 they very quickly ran that
mighty country on it's ass into some impoverished condition. Russia
used to be full of natural resources and minerals and Ukraine used to
produce grains for the entire Europe. Ukraine had the most splendid
farm-soil in the whole world. After being under the rule of atheism,
in a mere 70 years that country was reduced to a wasteland.
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Which has no causal relationship to atheism. It has everything to do with the idiocy and tyranny of communism.
Bob
2018-09-27 01:27:07 UTC
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Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
Europe. When the atheists took over in 1917 they very quickly ran that
mighty country on it's ass into some impoverished condition. Russia
used to be full of natural resources and minerals and Ukraine used to
produce grains for the entire Europe. Ukraine had the most splendid
farm-soil in the whole world. After being under the rule of atheism,
in a mere 70 years that country was reduced to a wasteland.
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Which has no causal relationship to atheism. It has everything to do with the idiocy and tyranny of communism.
Oh, you walked right in to that one.

You really don't think very long about what you're going to say before
you say it, do you?

You're mentally sick.
The Chief Castrator Of The Jews
2018-12-06 22:41:18 UTC
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Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
Europe. When the atheists took over in 1917 they very quickly ran that
mighty country on it's ass into some impoverished condition. Russia
used to be full of natural resources and minerals and Ukraine used to
produce grains for the entire Europe. Ukraine had the most splendid
farm-soil in the whole world. After being under the rule of atheism,
in a mere 70 years that country was reduced to a wasteland.
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Which has no causal relationship to atheism. It has everything to do with the idiocy and tyranny of communism.
Oh, you walked right in to that one.
You really don't think very long about what you're going to say before
you say it, do you?
You're mentally sick.
He sounds like Bop reincarnated.....
Jahnu
2018-12-07 21:12:18 UTC
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He sounds like Bop reincarnated.....
You mean, Sponge Bob?


The sage, Sri Shukadeva Gosvami says:

My dear King, your question is glorious because it is very beneficial
to all kinds of people. The answer to this question is the prime
subject matter for hearing, and it is approved by all
transcendentalists. (SB. 2.1.1)

Those persons who are materially engrossed, being blind to the
knowledge of ultimate truth, have many subject matters for hearing in
human society, O Emperor. (SB. 2.1.2)

The lifetime of such an envious householder is passed at night either
in sleeping or in sex indulgence, and in the daytime either in making
money or maintaining family members. (SB. 2.1.3)

Persons devoid of knowledge of the self do not inquire into the
problems of life, being too attached to the fallible soldiers like the
body, children and wife. Although sufficiently experienced, they still
do not see their inevitable destruction. (SB. 2.1.4)

O descendant of King Bharata, one who desires to be free from all
miseries must hear about, glorify and also remember the Personality of
Godhead, who is the Supersoul, the controller and the savior from all
miseries.
(SB 2.1.5)

The highest perfection of human life, achieved either by complete
knowledge of matter and spirit, by practice of mystic powers, or by
perfect discharge of occupational duty, is to remember the Personality
of Godhead at the end of life. (SB. 2.1.6)



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Jahnu
2018-09-27 02:03:53 UTC
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Which has no causal relationship to atheism. It has everything to do with the idiocy and tyranny of communism.
hehe, painful to hear, eh?

The fact is, that the most psychopatic mass-murderers on the planet
were professed atheists.

Every time atheisrs get into political power they immediately create a
totalitarian, facist state.

Why don't you go live in North Korea, you brain-dead fool?




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2018-09-27 02:47:13 UTC
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The fact is, that the most psychopatic mass-murderers on the planet
were professed atheists.
Nope, about 99.96% of all murders were done by theists (.04% by atheists):

Playing game of counting every death under a theist/atheist ruler as
a murder caused by theism/atheism and taking the bogus politically-motivated
hyper-inflated number 45 million:

104,000,000,000 total theist/atheist murders
- 45,000,000 total atheist murders
-----------------
=103,955,000,000 total theist murders

99.96% of all murders were by theists
0.04% of all murders were by atheists

Conclusion: atheists are far more moral than theists.

QED

There is a _direct_ path from god-belief to mass-murder, not so for non-belief.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Atheist: anyone who says "I don't buy the claim 'a god exists'".
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Jahnu
2018-09-27 09:40:02 UTC
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 19:47:13 -0700, Atheist
Dream on, bozo. You are speaking against empirical facts.

The to greatest mass-murdering psychopaths in recent history, ie.
Stalin and Mao, were professed atheists. It's just a historical fact.

You see, that's what happens when atheists get into political power,
they immediately begin to murder people en masse. They immediately
create a totalitarian, facist state. You can't even argue against it.
It's simply a historical fact, and no matter how much you bitch and
moan about it, it's still a historical fact. Get it?

Atheism is a disease of the mind and that's all there is to it.

Atheists are actually sub-human scum, exactly as predicted by God
already 5000 years ago.

Krishna says:

Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among
mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the
atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me. (Bg 7.15 )



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2018-09-27 13:44:26 UTC
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The fact is, that the most psychopatic mass-murderers on the planet
were professed atheists.
Playing game of counting every death under a theist/atheist ruler as
a murder caused by theism/atheism and taking the bogus
politically-motivated
104,000,000,000 total theist/atheist murders
- 45,000,000 total atheist murders
-----------------
=103,955,000,000 total theist murders
99.96% of all murders were by theists
0.04% of all murders were by atheists
Conclusion: atheists are far more moral than theists.
QED
There is a _direct_ path from god-belief to mass-murder, not so for non-belief.
And currently 99% of people in prison are self-identified as
theists; less than 1% are atheists (or thereabouts).

LOL
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Atheist: anyone who says "I don't buy the claim 'a god exists'".
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Kevrob
2018-09-27 14:33:46 UTC
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The fact is, that the most psychopatic mass-murderers on the planet
were professed atheists.
Playing game of counting every death under a theist/atheist ruler as
a murder caused by theism/atheism and taking the bogus
politically-motivated
104,000,000,000 total theist/atheist murders
- 45,000,000 total atheist murders
-----------------
=103,955,000,000 total theist murders
99.96% of all murders were by theists
0.04% of all murders were by atheists
Conclusion: atheists are far more moral than theists.
QED
There is a _direct_ path from god-belief to mass-murder, not so for non-belief.
And currently 99% of people in prison are self-identified as
theists; less than 1% are atheists (or thereabouts).
LOL
Religions have had their mass-murdering cultists.
Jesper ought to know about the Kali-worshipping Thugs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

Hitler and the Nazis were arguablly religious: if not Christian,
then pagan revivalists, and AH thought he was chosen by divinity
to carry out his evil plans.

Religious motivation for murder and the Marxist ideology
for murder are essentially equivalent. To what extent do people
pushing those actually believe the party line, or just use
them as tools to manipulate people, so they can achieve power?
I'm sure there are cynical unbelievers pretending to be devout
in these regimes, just as their were commisars who were secret
believers.

Are we to blame anchorite monks for the Albegensian Crusade,
or Quakers for the oppression of the tribes of the Americas?
That would be ludicrous. Blaming 21st century atheists for
the crimes of Stali or Mao, actual Stalinists or Maoists aside,
is also ridiculous.

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Jahnu
2018-09-27 21:58:47 UTC
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And currently 99% of people in prison are self-identified as
theists; less than 1% are atheists (or thereabouts).
Whatever. The fact remains that the two biggest psychopaths in world
history, Staling and Mao, who murdered hundreds of times more people
than Hitler, were both professed atheists.

It's a historical fact that every time atheists come into political
power, they immedidately create a totalitarian, facist state.

Besides, who gives a shit about inmates in American prisons? Even the
ones who call themselves religious, are a bunch of meat-eating
atheists, anyway, who blaspheme God whenever they get the chance.

Krishna says:

Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons
become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated
in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and blaspheme against
the real religion. (Bg. 16.18)

Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I
perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various
demoniac species of life. (Bg. 16. 19)

Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, O son
of Kunti, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down
to the most abominable type of existence. (Bg. 16.20)

There are three gates leading to this hell—lust, anger and greed.
Every sane man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation
of the soul. (Bg. 16.21)

The man who has escaped these three gates of hell, O son of Kunti,
performs acts conducive to self-realization and thus gradually attains
the supreme destination. (Bg. 16.22)

He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own
whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme
destination. (Bg. 16.23)

One should therefore understand what is duty and what is not duty by
the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations,
one should act so that he may gradually be elevated. (Bg. 16.24)




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2018-09-28 14:25:04 UTC
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And currently 99% of people in prison are self-identified as
theists; less than 1% are atheists (or thereabouts).
Whatever.
If you want to play a game of counting every death under a theist/atheist
ruler as a murder caused by theism/atheism and taking the bogus
politically-motivated hyper-inflated number 45 million:

104,000,000,000 total theist/atheist murders
- 45,000,000 total atheist murders
-----------------
=103,955,000,000 total theist murders

99.96% of all murders were by theists
0.04% of all murders were by atheists

Conclusion: atheists are far more moral than theists.

QED

There is a _direct_ path from god-belief to mass-murder, not so for non-belief.
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Atheist: anyone who says "I don't buy the claim 'a god exists'".
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Bob
2018-09-28 20:22:48 UTC
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And currently 99% of people in prison are self-identified as
theists; less than 1% are atheists (or thereabouts).
Whatever.
If you want to play a game of counting every death under a theist/atheist
ruler as a murder caused by theism/atheism and taking the bogus
104,000,000,000 total theist/atheist murders
- 45,000,000 total atheist murders
-----------------
=103,955,000,000 total theist murders
99.96% of all murders were by theists
0.04% of all murders were by atheists
Conclusion: atheists are far more moral than theists.
No, there's just a less number of atheists.

That 45 million means that close to 100% of all atheists are murderers.

I take it you didn't do too well in math, and you didn't even bother
taking Statistics. Am I right?
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2018-09-28 20:27:20 UTC
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And currently 99% of people in prison are self-identified as
theists; less than 1% are atheists (or thereabouts).
Whatever.
If you want to play a game of counting every death under a theist/atheist
ruler as a murder caused by theism/atheism and taking the bogus
  104,000,000,000 total theist/atheist murders
 -     45,000,000 total atheist murders
-----------------
 =103,955,000,000 total theist murders
99.96% of all murders were by theists
 0.04% of all murders were by atheists
Conclusion: atheists are far more moral than theists.
No, there's just a less number of atheists.
That 45 million means that close to 100% of all atheists are murderers.
I take it you didn't do too well in math, and you didn't even bother
taking Statistics. Am I right?
the judicial system doesn't record religious or non religious beliefs ,
all murderers are 100 % murderers the law don't care what you think
about god
Jahnu
2018-09-29 02:35:17 UTC
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There is a _direct_ path from god-belief to mass-murder, not so for non-belief.
It's a historical fact that the two biggest mass-murderers in recent
history, ie. Stalin and Mao, were professed atheists.

Why don't you go live in North Korea, and experience first hand what's
it's like to live in a country where atheists rule.



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2018-12-06 05:23:07 UTC
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There is a _direct_ path from god-belief to mass-murder, not so for non-belief.
It's a historical fact that the two biggest mass-murderers in recent
history, ie. Stalin and Mao, were professed atheists.

Why don't you go live in North Korea, and experience first hand what's
it's like to live in a country where atheists rule.





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2018-12-06 18:47:55 UTC
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There is a _direct_ path from god-belief to mass-murder, not so for non-belief.
It's a historical fact that the two biggest mass-murderers in recent
history, ie. Stalin and Mao, were professed atheists.
Pol Pot was worse than Mao.
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2018-12-06 20:52:25 UTC
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Pol Pot was worse than Mao.
I think he was more cruel and psychopathic, yes, but in terms of
numbers of people killed, Mao won. Still, the point is that they were
both professed atheists.

The whining, blithering idiots of this group should just slither right
off and go live in North Korea, and see how they like them apples. You
see, nobody in his right mind will want to live in a place where
atheists rule.

Most people live in the illusion of identifying themselves with their
bodies and minds. Real knowledge begins when a person can distinguish
between matter and consciousness. IOW, before one can distinguish
between the self and the body and mind, there is only illusion.

This may come as a surprise to you, but there are actually people who
believe that consciousness is the result of chemical reactions in the
brain. I know, right?… it sounds totally off the wall, but many
people actually believe that. The same people will even tell you that
you are the deluded one, and that they are living in the real world.

Can you imagine that?

Anyway, if you are a little more thoughtful than that, you will
appreciate that anyone, regardless of his beliefs and convictions, can
experience that he or she is a constant observer of existence.

Krishna says:

As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood
to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at
death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change. (Bg. 2.13)

What Krishna is saying here, is that the body changes constantly from
childhood, to youth, to old age. But the self or the 'I' within,
remains constant. One's mind and intelligence change, sure. We are are
supposed to grow wiser with age. One's thoughts, feelings, willpower,
and convictions change as time progresses.

But it is the same observer within, who experiences these changes. The
I-feeling remains the same. So the person stays the same despite the
alterations in matter.

That is the eternal soul. It is the same self who sits in a child's
body as the one sitting in the old man's body. The self doesn't
change. The thoughts and feelings and intelligence change, but it is
the same self observing these. The I-feeling remains the same. In this
way anyone can experience his or her own eternity.

It's simply a question of absorption - either one is absorbed in
matter, which is in a constant flux. That means, one is identifying
with his thoughts, feelings and likes and dislikes. Or one is absorbed
in one's eternal self. That means, one is identifying with observing
one's thoughts and feelings. The absorption is in one's own
consciousness.

The soul or the self is called marginal, which means it will be
controlled either by spirit or matter. The choice one has is whether
to be controlled by matter, controlled by the false ego, or whether
one wants to be controlled by God.

When one's choice is motivated by the desire to become free from the
false ego, free from bodily identification, then one begins the
spiritual journey back home, back to Godhead.

Krishna says:

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I
am unborn and infallible.(Bg. 7.25)




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2018-12-07 00:31:23 UTC
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There is a _direct_ path from god-belief to mass-murder, not so for non-belief.
It's a historical fact that the two biggest mass-murderers in recent
history, ie. Stalin and Mao, were professed atheists.
Pol Pot was worse than Mao.
Still, Judaism has a well established _direct_ path to mass murder.

As previously posted, using the same bogus method of counting every
death as murder by the government, 99.9994% of all people ever
alive were murdered by religious governments (~7 billion people).

No such path in the simple: atheist - non-belief of "a god exists".

Conclusion: atheism is far far better than vile Judaism/Jews.

QED. Eat shit, dickhead.

LOL
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Atheist: anyone who says "I don't buy the claim 'a god exists'".
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Christian - a person afraid of a hiding apparently imaginary god.
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2018-12-08 03:45:06 UTC
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There is a _direct_ path from god-belief to mass-murder, not so for non-belief.
It's a historical fact that the two biggest mass-murderers in recent
history, ie. Stalin and Mao, were professed atheists.
Pol Pot was worse than Mao.
And unfortunately, Trump would be worse than both, if not for the
#Resistance.
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Oscar Dewey, JD
LA Tech, 1965
Jahnu
2018-12-08 10:04:45 UTC
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Pol Pot was worse than Mao.
And unfortunately, Trump would be worse than both, if not for the
#Resistance.
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Indian Weekender, New Zealand
Thursday, August 26, 2010

"The sea, which had been beating against the shores, suddenly broke
the boundary that was imposed on it by nature. The sea rushed into the
city. It coursed through the streets of the beautiful city. The sea
covered up everything in the city. Arjuna saw the beautiful buildings
becoming submerged one by one. He took a last look at the mansion of
Krishna. In a matter of a few moments it was all over. The sea had now
become as placid as a lake. There was no trace of the beautiful city,
which had been the favourite haunt of all the Pandavs. Dwarka was just
a name; just a memory." -- Mausala Parva, Mahabharat.

Does this account from the ancient Indian epic have a true historical
core? Did Lord Krishna, indeed the favourite Indian deity, walk the
streets of ancient Dwarka? Did Krishna, considered the Lord of the
universe by a billion Hindus, rule the Yaduvanshi clan thousands of
years ago?

Using archaeological, scriptural, literary and astronomical data,
scholars and scientists are coming round to the view that Krishna was
definitely a historical character.

ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE

The Rosetta stone, or the key, to the Krishna story is Dwarka. The
strongest archaeological support comes from the structures discovered
in the late 1980s under the seabed off the coast of modern Dwarka in
Gujarat by a team of archaeologists and divers led by Dr S.R. Rao, one
of India's most respected archaeologists. An emeritus scientist at the
marine archaeology unit of the National Institute of Oceanography,
Goa, Rao has excavated a large number of Harappan sites, including the
port city of Lothal in Gujarat.

In his book The Lost City of Dwarka, published in 1999, he writes
about his undersea finds: "The discovery is an important landmark in
the history of India. It has set to rest the doubts expressed by
historians about the historicity of Mahabharata and the very existence
of Dwarka city."

Conducting 12 expeditions during 1983-1990, Rao identified two
underwater settlements, one near the present-day Dwarka and the other
in the nearby island of Bet Dwarka. This tallies with the two Dwarkas
mentioned in the epic. The underwater expeditions won Rao the first
World Ship Trust Award for Individual Achievement. Another important
find by our divers was a seal that establishes the submerged
township's connection with the Dwarka of the Mahabharata.

The seal corroborates the reference made in the ancient text, the
Harivamsa, that every citizen of Dwarka should carry such a seal for
identification purposes. Krishna had ruled that none without the seal
should enter it. A similar seal has been found onshore as well.

LITERARY EVIDENCE

The west coast of Gujarat was the traditional land of the Yadavs, or
Yadus. According to the Bhagavad Puran, Krishna led the Yadavs
thousands of kilometres west to establish Dwarka, so they could start
a new life, safe from their many enemies in the Gangetic Valley.

The Mahabharata says, Dwarka was reclaimed from the sea. Rao's divers
discovered that the submerged city's walls were erected on a
foundation of boulders, suggesting that land indeed was reclaimed from
the sea. One cannot separate Dwarka from Krishna. If the city existed,
then it is true that Krishna ruled over it.

ASTRONOMICAL EVIDENCE

Dr Narhari Achar, professor of physics at the University of Memphis,
Tennessee, has dated the Mahabharata war using astronomy and regular
planetarium software. According to his research conducted in 2004-05,
the titanic clash between the Pandavas and the Kauravas took place in
3067 BC. Using the same software, Dr Achar places the year of
Krishna's birth at 3112 BC.

-Dr Manish Pandit, a nuclear medicine physician in the UK, after
examining the astronomical, archaeological and linguistic evidence,
agrees with Dr Achar's conclusions. Dr Pandit, who is also a
distinguished astrologer and has written several books on the subject,
traced the route of Krishna's journeys to shoot the documentary,
"Krishna: History or Myth?"

Dr Pandit says there are more than 140 astronomy references in the
Mahabharata. Simulations of the night sky have been combined with
geographical descriptions to arrive at various dates. He says the
chances of these references repeating are next to nothing.

According to historian S.M. Ali, the author of Geography of Puranas,
"The geographical matter contained in the Mahabharata is immense. It
is perhaps the only great work which deals with geographic details and
not incidentally, as other works."

WHOSE HISTORY?

Of course, none of the evidence is good enough for the ossified
historians that lord over India's academia, regurgitating the lies
written by British colonial scholars, who were in reality Christian
missionaries.

For the missionaries, destroying the historicity of Krishna was
important if they had any chance of establishing their religion in
India. Also, many European scholars were shocked to learn that Indian
history pre-dated their world by thousands of years. By labelling as
myth the Indian historical sources like the Ved, Mahabharata,
Upanishads, and especially the Puran, which give exact chronologies of
Indian kings including Krishna, the missionaries ensured that Indian
history did not clash with their world view.

That tradition continues. Disregarding all new research, academics
like Romilla Thapar, R.S. Sharma and Irfan Habib have consigned
Krishna to mythology.

In his textbook for Class X, Sharma writes, "Although Lord Krishna
plays an important role in the Mahabharata, the earliest inscriptions
and sculpture pieces found in Mathura between 200 BC and 300 AD do not
attest his presence." What brilliant deduction. Going by Sharma's
logic, any fool can dig at a random site, and upon failing to discover
an artefact, declare Krishna never existed. Sadly, millions of Indian
school children are being taught such lies.

Thapar, in fact, says the Mahabharata is a glorified account of a
skirmish between two "Aryan" tribes, with Krishna merely playing the
role of an agent provocateur.

And what do they do when confronted with the new evidence? They
withdraw into their parallel dystopian world and argue it is not
clinching evidence. But, of course, they will accept as truth the
myths of other religions.

Dr Rao says further digging and diving, in tandem with India's vast
treasure trove of historical facts will further corroborate key dates
of our eventful and glorious past.

As the Upanishads say, pratnakirtim apavirnu -- know thy past. (About
the author: Rakesh Krishnan Simha is a features writer at Fairfax New
Zealand. He has previously worked with Businessworld, India Today and
Hindustan Times, and was news editor with the Financial Express.)

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https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Oscar
2018-12-09 02:12:29 UTC
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Pol Pot was worse than Mao.
And unfortunately, Trump would be worse than both, if not for the
#Resistance.
http://www.saraswatifilms.org/movies.php (Video 34 mins.)
How science discovered the historical Krishna
By Rakesh Krishnan Simha
I respect you, Mr. Jahnu, for contributing to the diversity for which we
all must strive if we wish a united and peaceful populace. Please, keep up
the good work. As Americans, we all know that Krishna and Jesus and Jehovah
and Odin, etc. are different names for the same god, which is nothing more
than the desire to abide together in social harmony.
Jahnu
2018-12-09 02:16:39 UTC
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I respect you, Mr. Jahnu, for contributing to the diversity for which we
all must strive if we wish a united and peaceful populace. Please, keep up
the good work. As Americans, we all know that Krishna and Jesus and Jehovah
and Odin, etc. are different names for the same god, which is nothing more
than the desire to abide together in social harmony.
Thank you for your understanding, Oscar. It's amazing, indeed, to meet
a voice of reason here. You have made my day :)

Why is Switzerland considered heaven of earth?

Let me tell you a joke about the European heaven and the European
hell.

So, in the European heaven, the Brits are the police, the Germans are
the mechanics, the French are the cooks, the Italians are the lovers,
and the Swiss are the administrators.

In the European hell, the Brits are the cooks, the Germans are the
police, the French are the mechanics, the Italians are the
administrators, and the Swiss are the lovers.

So maybe Switzerland is considered heaven on earth because it is such
a well organized, well administrated country.

Let me give you an example of well administrated. Many years back,
junkies used to hang out in the public parks and shoot up heroin. This
was much disliked by the public who went their with kids etc. Also the
crime rates were up, by the same junkies.

Then, what did the government do? Instead of criminalizing the
junkies, they treated it as a disease. They legalized all drugs
including heroin, and arranged for little cabins in the cities, where
they could go and shoot up.

Since then drug-related crimes are down to zero, the number of drug
users are down, too, and no junkies are hanging out in the public
parks, ,anymore.

That's what I call a well organized society.



https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM

Cloud Hobbit
2018-09-27 20:34:53 UTC
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Which has no causal relationship to atheism. It has everything to do with the idiocy and tyranny of communism.
hehe, painful to hear, eh?
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Only in the sense that I don't understand why you would lie about it.
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The fact is, that the most psychopatic mass-murderers on the planet
were professed atheists.
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But not because they were atheists. They were people trying to get control and power just like theists have been known to do. There is nothing in atheism that motivates one to kill.
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Every time atheisrs get into political power they immediately create a
totalitarian, facist state.
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You need to prove that claim and prove that atheism was their motivation. Since you lie so often and this subject has been discussed before and refuted many times you need something new to prove your claim. You have nothing.
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Why don't you go live in North Korea, you brain-dead fool?
- show quoted text -
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Why would I do that? Tyranny is not something I desire to live under. Religious or secular its evil and is to be resisted. I would imagine that they are forced vegetarians since they barely have any food. It would be hard to get a steak.
Davej
2018-09-27 16:00:00 UTC
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Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
Europe. When the atheists took over in 1917 they...
You're confusing atheists with communists.
Christopher A. Lee
2018-09-27 17:09:12 UTC
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Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
Europe. When the atheists took over in 1917 they...
You're confusing atheists with communists.
Why can't these pig-ignorant, sociopathic morons grasp that atheism is
simply the absence of one particular attribute that motivates theists,
and that the absence of this motivator cannot be a motivator for
anything?

And why can't they have the courtesy to accept that when we describe
our position, it actually _is_ our position instead of arrogantly and
nastily insisting it isn't?
Kevrob
2018-09-27 20:21:08 UTC
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Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
Europe. When the atheists took over in 1917 they...
You're confusing atheists with communists.
Why can't these pig-ignorant, sociopathic morons grasp that atheism is
simply the absence of one particular attribute that motivates theists,
and that the absence of this motivator cannot be a motivator for
anything?
And why can't they have the courtesy to accept that when we describe
our position, it actually _is_ our position instead of arrogantly and
nastily insisting it isn't?
By not accepting their basic assumptions about the universe, we
seem to be challenging the legitimacy of their institutions. And,
yes, he who says A must say B. The assumptions of Classical Liberalism
were a challenge to feudalism, monarchy and the traditional social order
that had descended from medieval times. The disestablishment of the
Church, or at least freedom of conscience even if state involvement
with churches remained, was a huge improvement over the church/state
monolith. Some religious people long to restore that. Others, usually
coming from the position of the smaller churches never approved of by
the state, resist it. But, with some exceptions, banding together in
an ecumenical manner to denounce non-belief is one of the few things
feuding congregations can agree on. If our non-belief is valid, the
whole shooting match of creed, dogma and organized religion is exposed
as the fairy story it is.

There's money and power at stake there, and for some, their phony-
baloney jobs!*

The hierarchy (and the high power free agent preachers) indoctrinate
their followers to revile non-believers, and some of them are self-
appointed beadles of USENET, trying to shout down atheist discussion,
even where it doesn't intrude on believers' forums.

It's sad, actually.


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Kevin R
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2018-09-27 20:28:53 UTC
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Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
Europe. When the atheists took over in 1917 they...
You're confusing atheists with communists.
Why can't these pig-ignorant, sociopathic morons grasp that atheism is
simply the absence of one particular attribute that motivates theists,
and that the absence of this motivator cannot be a motivator for
anything?
And why can't they have the courtesy to accept that when we describe
our position, it actually _is_ our position instead of arrogantly and
nastily insisting it isn't?
By not accepting their basic assumptions about the universe, we
seem to be challenging the legitimacy of their institutions. And,
yes, he who says A must say B. The assumptions of Classical Liberalism
were a challenge to feudalism, monarchy and the traditional social order
that had descended from medieval times. The disestablishment of the
Church, or at least freedom of conscience even if state involvement
with churches remained, was a huge improvement over the church/state
monolith. Some religious people long to restore that. Others, usually
coming from the position of the smaller churches never approved of by
the state, resist it. But, with some exceptions, banding together in
an ecumenical manner to denounce non-belief is one of the few things
feuding congregations can agree on. If our non-belief is valid, the
whole shooting match of creed, dogma and organized religion is exposed
as the fairy story it is.
There's money and power at stake there, and for some, their phony-
baloney jobs!*
The hierarchy (and the high power free agent preachers) indoctrinate
their followers to revile non-believers, and some of them are self-
appointed beadles of USENET, trying to shout down atheist discussion,
even where it doesn't intrude on believers' forums.
It's sad, actually.
* http://youtu.be/uTmfwklFM-M
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Kevin R
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no it isn't
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2018-09-27 17:49:15 UTC
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Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
You have no idea, do you?
Christopher A. Lee
2018-09-27 19:01:57 UTC
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Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
You have no idea, do you?
Has he ever?
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